RE: CSCS and hospital use.
Annie, The difference between CS and silver nitrate is the nitrate. Silver ions as supplied by both CS and silver nitrate are benign, but the nitrate is caustic to tissue. Highly diluted silver nitrate has been used to good effect for many years in preventing nasty infections passed from mother to baby during birth, but prolonged use of silver compounds, especially silver nitrate, can be hazardous to health, if not for the tissue damage, then by the large amounts of silver that can be ingested or absorbed in the form of compounds (as opposed to the very small amounts of silver delivered by colloidal silver). Ingestion of large amounts of silver can lead to the cosmetically disfiguring condition known as argyria, in which silver ions bound to tissue, especially skin or eye, may be photo-reduced to silver metal and cause a greying or bluing of the skin. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2002 4:44 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS and hospital use. Annie Hall wrote: Anyway, as an absolute newby can someone say what is the difference, in simple English, between silver nitrate and CS please? Big difference. Silver Nitrate is a compound, and colloidal silver is the pure metal in very small custers. An undeveloped film contains silver compounds (such as silver nitrate or silver chloride), and the developed photograph contains very small silver particles, similar to a colloid. Thus if silver nitrate is exposed to light, and a developer such as caffine, it will develop into silver particles which will appear black. Not a good thing. Silver nitrate is also toxic, whereas silver metal and colloid is not. Some theories as to how silver kills bacteria relay on it's catalytic propterites. colloidal silver is a very good catalyst, but silver nitrate is a very poor catalyst. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNewbie
Dan, Even the most modest generator will make acceptable colloidal silver, be it clear yellow or golden. The primary difference will be in the shelf life of the output. None of it will be harmful to ingest. For a given concentration, clear CS will have the smallest particle size, then yellow, gold through to grey. Aim for a light colour with a strong beam (Tyndall Effect) as shown by a laser pointer shone through the solution, until you are familiar with the process and its nuances. Many people have been helped by CS made in a glass with two silver electrodes draped over the side, connected to 1, 2 or 3 9V batteries. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Dan Williamson [mailto:danw6...@mail.cannet.com] Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2002 7:29 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNewbie I have only started looking at CS as a possible alternative to conventional treatment for skin cancer. There seems to be so much conflicting information on the net as to low voltage CS preparation that I have hesitated making any. Are there any web sites out there that give accurate information? Some sites say that the finished product will be slightly yellow to golden in color the next day while others say it will be clear. Could someone clarify this for me as I intend to use the CS internally as well and I certainly don't need to use something that is usless or harmful, this old body of mine is the only one I have. Thanks -dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBubbler System for CS and Commentary
I guess it's a case of what ever works for you! I have 10L of 3 year old CS, slight golden colour, that tests as having the same concentration (22ppm) as the day it was made. And it was made without any stirring at all, apart from the occasional hand stirring during the 2.5 days it took to make it! Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Tel Tofflemire [mailto:telt...@home.com] Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2002 4:47 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBubbler System for CS and Commentary Brooks I have been using the fish tank bubblier, and sometimes a Alpine Ozone Gen. for Cs, and I knew in my deepest of my being it was ok...I tested it by making with bubblier and with out, I could plainly see by my necked eyes that bubbled CS was better, it doesn't loose PPM setting on the shelf, and it stayed clear or maybe just a faint bit light purple color, but on first look appears perfectly clear..white background reveals a tint of purple. ..Thank you Brooke for taking the time...\ Tel Tofflemire Phoenix, AZ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSThe O-T List
What happened to the O-T list? I have not had a single message in several days? Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFW: New items appearing in your saved search - colloidal silver
thought some would like to look at these (and laugh) can't sell CS on ebay, so selling information on the benefits of... -- From: savedsearc...@ebay.com Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:49:55 PST To: wufn...@stargate.net Subject: New items appearing in your saved search - colloidal silver Hello wufn...@stargate.net Good news! New items have been found at eBay in your favorite search for: Keywords: colloidal silver Here are the most recent new listings since we last emailed you. Please click on any of the URLs to see what we have found for you. 1. Item #: 1697504316 Title: Colloidal Silver Benefits Information Pak Price: $0.01 Bids: 0 Starts: Jan-28-02 13:54:58 PST URL:http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1697504316 2. Item #: 1697498436 Title: Colloidal Silver Info Pak Price: $0.01 Bids: 0 Starts: Jan-28-02 13:40:49 PST URL:http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1697498436 3. Item #: 1697494863 Title: THIS BOOK MAY SAVE YOUR LIFE_Colloidal Silver Price: $0.01 Bids: 3 Starts: Jan-28-02 13:32:42 PST URL:http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1697494863 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSGreening of Hackensack Pediatric Oncology
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AWARD The Deidre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology at Hackensack University Medical Center President and CEO: John P. Ferguson Headquarters: Hackensack Founded: 1888 NJ Employees: 7,000 Business: Healthcare The Environmental Quality Award is presented to companies that have done outstanding work to preserve or enhance the quality of the natural environment in New Jersey. This spring, The Deidre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology at Hackensack University Medical Center revamped its massive hospital cleaning operation to reduce not only the toxicity in the cleaning chemicals, but also the quantity of chemicals and the waste generated. The program has been dubbed Greening the Cleaning, the program is a coordinated effort with the Deidre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology. The hospital strives to protect the natural environment as well as making the hospital safer for patients by reducing the amount of potentially harmful chemicals in the hospital environment. In a four-phase operation that involved hospital personnel from senior management to the environmental services staff, the hospital replaced 18 of its 22 cleaning products with safer, environmentally sound alternatives that are just as effective. They also began buying cleaning materials in bulk, diluting them at the site to reduce the quantity and refilling the drums to keep containers out of the waste stream. A multidisciplinary team began by inventorying all the cleaning products used at Hackensack and evaluating their effectiveness and toxicity. The team then compared the existing products with environmentally sound substitutes. The hospital ordered new equipment and supplies, created ten new mixing stations, renovated the storage spaces and began a comprehensive, hospital-wide education program. In one week, staff were educated, proficient and at ease with the new cleaning system and environmentally friendly products. The new products are just as effective as the old ones, but without potentially harmful chemicals. For instance, the hospital replaced its existing window cleaner with one that was free from fuming solvents such as ammonia. They also switched to an all-purpose cleaner with no strong acids, chlorine, phosphates, benzene or hazardous ingredients, as defined by the federal Occupation Safety and Health Administration. While such changes may seem small, any reduction in hazardous materials will improve indoor air quality and make a big difference to patients who are already in a vulnerable state. Additionally, the waste and toxic reduction effort is expected to yield a 15 percent cost savings. The Greening the Cleaning program is an ongoing effort. Deidre Imus Center personnel are constantly monitoring the effectiveness of the program and assessing additional means of reducing toxics and waste. The center is striving to establish a model cleaning program for the healthcare industry as a whole. Back to Top -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew worm
I got at least eight of these today... it took Norton several minutes to eliminate the viruses from them. nancy.. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:03 AM Subject: CSNew worm There is a new worm, I have gotten two copies today, and it was only discovered 2 days ago. If you get a message like this: Subject: new photos from my party! Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:25:35 -0800 (PST) From: tonima...@wizard.com To: mdud...@execonn.com Hello! My party... It was absolutely amazing! I have attached my web page with new photos! If you can please make color prints of my photos. Thanks! don't click on the link! http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/nm/20020128/ts_nm/tech_mypart y_worm_dc_3 http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.mypa...@mm.html Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSInnocuous products (was Greening at Hackensack Pediatric Oncology)
Does the article mention specific subustututes? E.g.: Dr. Whittaker's Newsletter once reported that Stanford replaced some of its industrial cleaners with apple cider vinegar, finding it more effective against staph on surfaces (it's GOOD for skin, too)! Dr, Hulda Clark suggested a Borax solution for most detergent needs. Of course, baking soda + H2O3 replaces fluoridated toothpaste (which posts a poison control warning...BTW, the ADA now admits that fluoride may cause more harm than benefit!). I just bought a gallon of Miracle 2 for shampoo http://www.miracle2soap.com/. Others? --Russ - Original Message - From: Connie wufn...@stargate.net To: silver- list silver-list@eskimo.com; CSCats -Dogs cscats-d...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:50 AM Subject: CSGreening of Hackensack Pediatric Oncology ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AWARD The Deidre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology at Hackensack University Medical Center President and CEO: John P. Ferguson Headquarters: Hackensack Founded: 1888 NJ Employees: 7,000 Business: Healthcare The Environmental Quality Award is presented to companies that have done outstanding work to preserve or enhance the quality of the natural environment in New Jersey. This spring, The Deidre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology at Hackensack University Medical Center revamped its massive hospital cleaning operation to reduce not only the toxicity in the cleaning chemicals, but also the quantity of chemicals and the waste generated. The program has been dubbed Greening the Cleaning, the program is a coordinated effort with the Deidre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology. The hospital strives to protect the natural environment as well as making the hospital safer for patients by reducing the amount of potentially harmful chemicals in the hospital environment. In a four-phase operation that involved hospital personnel from senior management to the environmental services staff, the hospital replaced 18 of its 22 cleaning products with safer, environmentally sound alternatives that are just as effective. They also began buying cleaning materials in bulk, diluting them at the site to reduce the quantity and refilling the drums to keep containers out of the waste stream. A multidisciplinary team began by inventorying all the cleaning products used at Hackensack and evaluating their effectiveness and toxicity. The team then compared the existing products with environmentally sound substitutes. The hospital ordered new equipment and supplies, created ten new mixing stations, renovated the storage spaces and began a comprehensive, hospital-wide education program. In one week, staff were educated, proficient and at ease with the new cleaning system and environmentally friendly products. The new products are just as effective as the old ones, but without potentially harmful chemicals. For instance, the hospital replaced its existing window cleaner with one that was free from fuming solvents such as ammonia. They also switched to an all-purpose cleaner with no strong acids, chlorine, phosphates, benzene or hazardous ingredients, as defined by the federal Occupation Safety and Health Administration. While such changes may seem small, any reduction in hazardous materials will improve indoor air quality and make a big difference to patients who are already in a vulnerable state. Additionally, the waste and toxic reduction effort is expected to yield a 15 percent cost savings. The Greening the Cleaning program is an ongoing effort. Deidre Imus Center personnel are constantly monitoring the effectiveness of the program and assessing additional means of reducing toxics and waste. The center is striving to establish a model cleaning program for the healthcare industry as a whole. Back to Top -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBubbler System for CS and Commentary
Please consider the following discussion as coming from a limited background, based on what little I know about CS: the quality of CS is not determined by ppm, but by particle size and purity. Solution ppm shouldn't typically change, even over long term, as the silver can't just disappear. However, it can clump into larger particles (due to cohesive forces), rendering it ineffective. It can also combine molecularly with contaminants in the solvent (water) or the container, which makes a good case for using inert (glass) bottles. Also, keep in mind due to light degradation. Particle size can be tested, but not without cost. Btw does anyone know of an inexpensive particle size tester? I think it's lab equipment, not a handheld like a TDS meter. Would appreciate anyone who can either affirm or correct the above information. I Anderson i...@win.co.nz wrote: I guess it's a case of what ever works for you! I have 10L of 3 year old CS, slight golden colour, that tests as having the same concentration (22ppm) as the day it was made. And it was made without any stirring at all, apart from the occasional hand stirring during the 2.5 days it took to make it! Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Tel Tofflemire [mailto:telt...@home.com] Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2002 4:47 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBubbler System for CS and Commentary Brooks I have been using the fish tank bubblier, and sometimes a Alpine Ozone Gen. for Cs, and I knew in my deepest of my being it was ok...I tested it by making with bubblier and with out, I could plainly see by my necked eyes that bubbled CS was better, it doesn't loose PPM setting on the shelf, and it stayed clear or maybe just a faint bit light purple color, but on first look appears perfectly clear..white background reveals a tint of purple. ..Thank you Brooke for taking the time...\ Tel Tofflemire Phoenix, AZ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now!
Re: CSInnocuous products (was Greening at Hackensack Pediatric Oncology)
I tried to find an email addy for Deidre Imus to communicate directly with her. Could not find one, so emailed her hubby, the infamous Don Imus... If I can get in direct contact with Deidre I will ask what substitutions have been made. I also want to connect her to the couple good websites with CS infoif she does not already know about CS, I think she would be very receptive to it use. Could be good for us to see Imus educated on the use of CS. Imus was talking on his show this AM, about encouraging the Hackensack hospital to be more forthcoming on their ''greening'' of their system. He feels the public needs to be more aware of those changes, and how what they have done has already made such a difference in the work force in the condition of their hands, among other things. The article I found was the only thing I could find in a search for information on their changes. Connie From: Russ Rosser russros...@rovin.net Reply-To: Russ Rosser russros...@rovin.net Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:40:28 -0600 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSInnocuous products (was Greening at Hackensack Pediatric Oncology) Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:41:55 -0800 Does the article mention specific subustututes? E.g.: Dr. Whittaker's Newsletter once reported that Stanford replaced some of its industrial cleaners with apple cider vinegar, finding it more effective against staph on surfaces (it's GOOD for skin, too)! Dr, Hulda Clark suggested a Borax solution for most detergent needs. Of course, baking soda + H2O3 replaces fluoridated toothpaste (which posts a poison control warning...BTW, the ADA now admits that fluoride may cause more harm than benefit!). I just bought a gallon of Miracle 2 for shampoo http://www.miracle2soap.com/. Others? --Russ - Original Message - From: Connie wufn...@stargate.net To: silver- list silver-list@eskimo.com; CSCats -Dogs cscats-d...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:50 AM Subject: CSGreening of Hackensack Pediatric Oncology ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AWARD The Deidre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology at Hackensack University Medical Center President and CEO: John P. Ferguson Headquarters: Hackensack Founded: 1888 NJ Employees: 7,000 Business: Healthcare The Environmental Quality Award is presented to companies that have done outstanding work to preserve or enhance the quality of the natural environment in New Jersey. This spring, The Deidre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology at Hackensack University Medical Center revamped its massive hospital cleaning operation to reduce not only the toxicity in the cleaning chemicals, but also the quantity of chemicals and the waste generated. The program has been dubbed Greening the Cleaning, the program is a coordinated effort with the Deidre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology. The hospital strives to protect the natural environment as well as making the hospital safer for patients by reducing the amount of potentially harmful chemicals in the hospital environment. In a four-phase operation that involved hospital personnel from senior management to the environmental services staff, the hospital replaced 18 of its 22 cleaning products with safer, environmentally sound alternatives that are just as effective. They also began buying cleaning materials in bulk, diluting them at the site to reduce the quantity and refilling the drums to keep containers out of the waste stream. A multidisciplinary team began by inventorying all the cleaning products used at Hackensack and evaluating their effectiveness and toxicity. The team then compared the existing products with environmentally sound substitutes. The hospital ordered new equipment and supplies, created ten new mixing stations, renovated the storage spaces and began a comprehensive, hospital-wide education program. In one week, staff were educated, proficient and at ease with the new cleaning system and environmentally friendly products. The new products are just as effective as the old ones, but without potentially harmful chemicals. For instance, the hospital replaced its existing window cleaner with one that was free from fuming solvents such as ammonia. They also switched to an all-purpose cleaner with no strong acids, chlorine, phosphates, benzene or hazardous ingredients, as defined by the federal Occupation Safety and Health Administration. While such changes may seem small, any reduction in hazardous materials will improve indoor air quality and make a big difference to patients who are already in a vulnerable state. Additionally, the waste and toxic reduction effort is expected to yield a 15 percent cost savings. The Greening the Cleaning program is an ongoing effort. Deidre Imus Center personnel are constantly monitoring the effectiveness of the program and assessing additional means of
Re: CStopic for archinves
Connie, try a Subject search for dog bites . I searched for wound in the body of the files I have saved and found them round about 20 Jan. T Connie wrote: I was looking for the posting that came in the last couple weeks on how someone had treated a deep cut. I was at a loss for what topic to enter in the archives search engine. Thought it was even in the last week or so...looked through the messages, could not find it, could someone help me out? TIA, Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStopic for archinves
Speaking of a deep cut.. I was fishing off the coast of Alaska a few years back when a hand caught a fishhook heading over the side at about 8 knots. The circle hook caught his trigger finger and ripped the meat off the inside all the way to the tip. He had a shrimp looking appendage hanging on to the tip of his finger and exposed bone/tissue to that. Immediately, he unzipped, and you guessed it, urinated on his finger for a full urine wash. He bound the flap back to where it had been all his life and a week later he was fishing again with full use. For deep cuts that I have received, however, I let it bleed and close them with superglue. I have healed some great gaps this way. They leach a bit through the glueline, and I have to add more from time to time, but always success. Urine is sterile. BC - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: CStopic for archinves Connie, try a Subject search for dog bites . I searched for wound in the body of the files I have saved and found them round about 20 Jan. T Connie wrote: I was looking for the posting that came in the last couple weeks on how someone had treated a deep cut. I was at a loss for what topic to enter in the archives search engine. Thought it was even in the last week or so...looked through the messages, could not find it, could someone help me out? TIA, Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBubbler System for CS and Commentary
Hiya TJ, For a quickie fix for air control try the following: 1) Bend the hose or tubing back on itself so a sharp bend is formed. 2) Put a clothespin or rubber band or some type of clamp across the doubled-back hoses near the bend so that the sharp bend is maintained. 3) Adjust the distance from the clamp to the bend for the amount or air needed. I find that 3 or 4 bubbles per second are all that is needed to keep the DW liquid stirred well. At this level of agitation, no water bubbles out of my container. JJ -Original Message- From: TJ Garland [mailto:goldenok...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:46 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBubbler System for CS and Commentary OOPS!! I have no shutoff valve. I have a simple pump, check valve and hose. I missed the valve in your setup. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CStopic for archinves
Re: Urine is sterile. A caution to any who may think that means that urine is always sterile. Yes, normal healthy urine is sterile. That is not true during genitourinary tract infections [a common example is Neisseria Gonorrhoeae] and the infective agent(s) can be transmitted via the urine to other organs of your body [commonly: mouth, anus, eyes] or to other people. As with many techniques that work great most of the time user attention is required. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Robert L. Cousins [mailto:bcous...@xyz.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:44 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CStopic for archinves Speaking of a deep cut.. I was fishing off the coast of Alaska a few years back when a hand caught a fishhook heading over the side at about 8 knots. The circle hook caught his trigger finger and ripped the meat off the inside all the way to the tip. He had a shrimp looking appendage hanging on to the tip of his finger and exposed bone/tissue to that. Immediately, he unzipped, and you guessed it, urinated on his finger for a full urine wash. He bound the flap back to where it had been all his life and a week later he was fishing again with full use. For deep cuts that I have received, however, I let it bleed and close them with superglue. I have healed some great gaps this way. They leach a bit through the glueline, and I have to add more from time to time, but always success. Urine is sterile. BC - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: CStopic for archinves Connie, try a Subject search for dog bites . I searched for wound in the body of the files I have saved and found them round about 20 Jan. T Connie wrote: I was looking for the posting that came in the last couple weeks on how someone had treated a deep cut. I was at a loss for what topic to enter in the archives search engine. Thought it was even in the last week or so...looked through the messages, could not find it, could someone help me out? TIA, Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSairbrush - air compressor
I think, that the DW in the generator is working as a wet air filter. In a wet air filter the dirty air is blown trough a wet area. Then the dust that is in the air sticks to the liquid and stays behind. Of course, there is not s much dust in the little volume of air that is used for bubbling, and the microbes and other living creatures in it will be destroyed in the CS, but it is there. I suggest to put a filter between the compressor and the CS gen. as I described in an earlier post. It is cost very little. Willy -Original Message- From: Gaston [mailto:obouc...@colba.net] Sent: woensdag 30 januari 2002 2:43 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSairbrush - air compressor I have read that an air pump may cause contamination to the distilled water when making CS. (others have commented that it is not the case). And I tend to agree with these comments. However, others have suggested using a small air compressor along with an airbrush, and I have never heard anybody commenting that CS could be contaminated, by the air, during this process... Comments would be appreciated pls ? Gaston -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSairbrush - air compressor
We already breathe too much oil daily. Used oil less compressors may be found in surplus and on the web. They are used in dental and lab work. Some lab vacuum pumps are oil less, and work fine as a compressor when hooked up on the discharge side of the pump. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Gaston [mailto:obouc...@colba.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:43 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSairbrush - air compressor I have read that an air pump may cause contamination to the distilled water when making CS. (others have commented that it is not the case). And I tend to agree with these comments. However, others have suggested using a small air compressor along with an airbrush, and I have never heard anybody commenting that CS could be contaminated, by the air, during this process... Comments would be appreciated pls ? Gaston -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSairbrush - air compressor
I have read that an air pump may cause contamination to the distilled water when making CS. (others have commented that it is not the case). And I tend to agree with these comments. However, others have suggested using a small air compressor along with an airbrush, and I have never heard anybody commenting that CS could be contaminated, by the air, during this process... Comments would be appreciated pls ? Gaston -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLorenzo's Oil
In article 3c562f7e.4dad4...@execonn.com, Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote: Hit everyone, Lorenzo;s oil was on AE the other day, and I watched it. I had never seen it before. Boy does it show the doctors as a bunch of buffoons! Anyway, I found one part interesting. The parents were wanting to use an extract of rape seed oil in the formula. The doctors said that the FDA would never allow that since rape seed oil is known to be poisonous. That really caught my attention. That the FDA would supposedly not allow it in a cure for a disease because of it's toxicity, but will allow it to be put on the store shelf labeled as canola oil for everyone to eat. The rapeseed extract in Lorenzo's Oil is erucic acid. Canola oil is from rapeseed developed to be very low in erucic acid which is why the more technical name for canola oil is low erucic acid rapeseed oil. However, I still think canola oil is evil. Olive oil, nut oils, and butter are the lipids of choice in our household. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStopic for archinves
Well said, James. Thoughtful comment! One of the big weaknesses with many alternative medical methods is that the potential dangers are not clearly stated. JBB JBB James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Re: Urine is sterile. A caution to any who may think that means that urine is always sterile. Yes, normal healthy urine is sterile. That is not true during genitourinary tract infections [a common example is Neisseria Gonorrhoeae] and the infective agent(s) can be transmitted via the urine to other organs of your body [commonly: mouth, anus, eyes] or to other people. As with many techniques that work great most of the time user attention is required. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Robert L. Cousins [mailto:bcous...@xyz.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:44 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CStopic for archinves Speaking of a deep cut.. I was fishing off the coast of Alaska a few years back when a hand caught a fishhook heading over the side at about 8 knots. The circle hook caught his trigger finger and ripped the meat off the inside all the way to the tip. He had a shrimp looking appendage hanging on to the tip of his finger and exposed bone/tissue to that. Immediately, he unzipped, and you guessed it, urinated on his finger for a full urine wash. He bound the flap back to where it had been all his life and a week later he was fishing again with full use. For deep cuts that I have received, however, I let it bleed and close them with superglue. I have healed some great gaps this way. They leach a bit through the glueline, and I have to add more from time to time, but always success. Urine is sterile. BC - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: CStopic for archinves Connie, try a Subject search for dog bites . I searched for wound in the body of the files I have saved and found them round about 20 Jan. T Connie wrote: I was looking for the posting that came in the last couple weeks on how someone had treated a deep cut. I was at a loss for what topic to enter in the archives search engine. Thought it was even in the last week or so...looked through the messages, could not find it, could someone help me out? TIA, Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLorenzo's Oil
John A. Stanley wrote: The rapeseed extract in Lorenzo's Oil is erucic acid. Canola oil is from rapeseed developed to be very low in erucic acid which is why the more technical name for canola oil is low erucic acid rapeseed oil. However, I still think canola oil is evil. Olive oil, nut oils, and butter are the lipids of choice in our household. The specification is less than 2%. I don't consider that very low, but it is certainly much lower than normal rape seed. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBetr.: CSHealthy vs unhealthy oils
At 09:53 AM 1/9/02 +0100, you wrote: Hello Terry and other members. I think your two cents correct but I have still a question on high blood pressure. What is the best way to handle high blood pressure? My best friend 49 years old was until a year ago a very healthy person. Then he started feeling not so good sometimes blurred sight on his right eye, high blood (185 over 115). After long discussions with his house-doctor he was allowed to go to the hospital. He's had several investigation but nothing was found. Conclusion there's nothing wrong with you. Now he get medication (antical) for high blood pressure. This makes him not feel good and he's worrying to death. Please what's your advice? thanks from me and my friend Jef My dad had a similar prob he did aerobics several hours 3+ times a week when he stopped for a while his blood pressure did something similar the meds his doc gave him lowered his bp to normal but also lowered his pulse to 30-40 bests a min he started exercizeing again and stoped the meds and was fine I would say try being more active -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSChecking..JUst Ignore..
Just checking to see if this goes through.. Strange no msgs tonight.. gm.. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDMSO
Hi DJG (Whoever you are), Knew Dr. Stanley Jacob in Oregon a number of years ago when he was embroiled in that mess with DMSO and MSM and the thieves of Dunsmuir Corp.. He was head of the Department of Surgery at Oregon Health Sciences University in Portland. Fine man. As a research scientist he had many papers published in leading medical journals and was so well thought of by people in the Portland Metro area that it wouldn't be far fetched to use the word beloved. A real good guy. Lost all respect for the FDA and their goon squads over that squabble. They finally pressured the University to get him to toe the official line or lose his job. So much for ethics and morality. It's a wonder he has anything up on his web site.. He's got lotsa moxie but still has to tread lightly. Namaste: Bob Bartell -Original Message- From: DJG [mailto:ql...@tds.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSDMSO I don't know if anyone posted this, but www.dmso.org is the home of the father of DMSO, Dr. Stanley Jacob. He was mercilously attacked for decades, and DMSO was banned for a time. If his authority is in doubt, check his bio. I curiously noted what appears to be missing from his website now is the precise use of DMSO for laymen; simple instructions for the proper application. His website has changed from a few years so it may be there, but I couldn't find it. It's been a while, but it seems if you use 99.99% pure DMSO, it must be diluted with DW. Keep in mind that DMSO will carry through the skin whatever is mixed with it, to an extent. Also, a friend of mine (a retired bio-physicist) gave me a machine called the Ionotron he developed in the 1970's and 1980's. It is based on Iontophoresis, however went way beyond what IP is used for today. It's quite amazing as he explained it. His research and clinical use showed he could cure ear infections in 15 minutes, and accelerated healing 20-30 times, plus numerous other uses. One in particular was eliminating skin cancer very rapidly (minutes) using retinoic acid if memory serves me. I have many of his papers, but haven't done much with it. The FDA badgered him, and subsequently the project was cancelled after he put up 500k of his own money. I bought two platinum plated titanium electrodes to experiment with it, however have misplaced them at the moment. I noticed another device called Electro-Regenesis claimed this effect, however the website is gone and I haven't been able to find any new information. They were applying for FDA approval. If anyone is interested in my machine, I'd like to discuss it with you, especially if you are knowledgeable in electro-medical devices and/or chemistry related to medicine. My friend has given me permission to do what I wish with the machine, but he will remain anonymous unless I'm told otherwise. Thanks.
CSTake a break and enjoy a look at this
This is a special treat for all of you great guys and gals who contribute to this list. Click on this right now and enjoy a short break from your concerns. http://dailymotivator.com/memberflash/rightnow.html Namaste:Bob Bartell
Re: CSFwd: e mails with Quackwatch
Well, I wasn't that bad, and didn't bother saving the volley. My father died on April 26, 2001. When he was admitted in March 2001 to the hospital he was taking 2 meds, and those were minimal (the story is long since this all started in March 1999, but will not go into detail). By the time he died, he was on 13 different drugs, contracted MRSA (actually was Vancomycin resistant as well), and when I saw the bag of Vancomycin, I knew his days were numbered. It literally destroyed his kidneys, eyes and liver. I was powerless though I had 3 meetings with the hospital staff, arguing with 3 doctors and the nurses. I must say they are the most arrogant, condescending _(fill it in). If I had done what I wanted, they would have evicted my dad. The hospitals don't like to see me around. In fact, they don't want anyone there who's halfway informed. I am very bitter toward our current system of medicine as I witnessed the legal killing of my dad. That may sound radical, but there's no other words for it. He was killed by a system that forces the use of very toxic chemicals that are lethal to especially the elderly. If lawsuits were based on drugs having lethal effects, our courts would be backlogged for years. If the drugs are used in accordance with the FDA approved procedure, you can't blame the hospital. His death certificate said he died of respiratory/cardiac failure. That is a fraudulent stated cause of death. They sedated him with Haldon, Morphine and one other that slips my mind at the moment, and poisoned him. We warned them that antibiotics and any sedative drugs would shut him down. They ignored us. We also said the sedation would affect his autonomic system and prevent him from breathing as we had this experience in 1999. They ignored us. We said Vancomycin was horrendously toxic to him. They said it was being monitored...the only thing they were monitoring was his death. I contacted three medical friends of mine who agreed. His symptoms were typical of Vancomycin side effects of the worst case. It was a nightmare, and I will never forgive them for what they did to my dad. It was so bad they wouldn't allow me to review his records, so I had to contact my attorney. It seemed so illogical to me anyway to give abx via IV when the lungs were where the infection was. I asked if I could use GSE and CS (via nebulizer). I was refused. Beware! Have a trusted family member or friend nearby at all times to watch your loved one in the hospital, and keep close track of everything the hospital does. The fact is they want to keep patients drugged up so they don't have to watch them. In my dad's case, we said the reason he was so uncooperative (unknowingly) was BECAUSE of the drugs and requested he be taken off them. Yet, they refused as they said he needed them to relax. It was downhill from that point on. He was a vegetable, but we convinced his doctor to have a meeting with the pulminologist (who claimed Dad was brain dead) and to take him off the sedation for a few days. They did and he came around, his brain was fine. However, the nurses were given permission to sedate him should he become agitated. To them, agitated means they have to do their job. And so it went. ICU is not what it used to be years ago. Now, they drug you and let machines monitor you. I've said enough. I am angry. Thank you for allowing me to post this. The bottom line is, the first night there he was writing us notes asking us where he was etc. By the third night he was a drugged out vegetable. It's painful for me to continue, so I'll stop here. Don't let them push you around folks. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSThe O-T List
Pt! Wayne! Keep it quiet we're sneaking them back over here! I know! I know! Mike is going to get us..! Namaste: Bob Bartell -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wa...@fugitt.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:16 AM To: *Silver-List* (E-mail) Subject: CSThe O-T List What happened to the O-T list? I have not had a single message in several days? Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLorenzo's Oil
Don't forget Flaxoil, sesame seed oil and coconut oil!! - Original Message - From: John A. Stanley j...@natel.net Newsgroups: list.silver To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:43 PM Subject: Re: CSLorenzo's Oil In article 3c562f7e.4dad4...@execonn.com, Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote: Hit everyone, Lorenzo;s oil was on AE the other day, and I watched it. I had never seen it before. Boy does it show the doctors as a bunch of buffoons! Anyway, I found one part interesting. The parents were wanting to use an extract of rape seed oil in the formula. The doctors said that the FDA would never allow that since rape seed oil is known to be poisonous. That really caught my attention. That the FDA would supposedly not allow it in a cure for a disease because of it's toxicity, but will allow it to be put on the store shelf labeled as canola oil for everyone to eat. The rapeseed extract in Lorenzo's Oil is erucic acid. Canola oil is from rapeseed developed to be very low in erucic acid which is why the more technical name for canola oil is low erucic acid rapeseed oil. However, I still think canola oil is evil. Olive oil, nut oils, and butter are the lipids of choice in our household. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFW: New items appearing in your saved search - colloidal silver
Connie, I am ROTFLMAO --- Yankee Ingenuity defeats the FDA! Good Post! Namaste: Bob Bartell -Original Message- From: Connie [mailto:wufn...@stargate.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:37 AM To: silver- list Subject: CSFW: New items appearing in your saved search - colloidal silver thought some would like to look at these (and laugh) can't sell CS on ebay, so selling information on the benefits of... -- From: savedsearc...@ebay.com Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:49:55 PST To: wufn...@stargate.net Subject: New items appearing in your saved search - colloidal silver Hello wufn...@stargate.net Good news! New items have been found at eBay in your favorite search for: Keywords: colloidal silver Here are the most recent new listings since we last emailed you. Please click on any of the URLs to see what we have found for you. 1. Item #: 1697504316 Title: Colloidal Silver Benefits Information Pak Price: $0.01 Bids: 0 Starts: Jan-28-02 13:54:58 PST URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1697504316 2. Item #: 1697498436 Title: Colloidal Silver Info Pak Price: $0.01 Bids: 0 Starts: Jan-28-02 13:40:49 PST URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1697498436 3. Item #: 1697494863 Title: THIS BOOK MAY SAVE YOUR LIFE_Colloidal Silver Price: $0.01 Bids: 3 Starts: Jan-28-02 13:32:42 PST URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1697494863 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSGreening of Hackensack Pediatric Oncology
Dear Connie, A step in the right direction for a change. Good Post! Thanks for your contributions. Namaste: Bob Bartell -Original Message- From: Connie [mailto:wufn...@stargate.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:51 AM To: silver- list; CSCats -Dogs Subject: CSGreening of Hackensack Pediatric Oncology ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AWARD The Deidre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology at Hackensack University Medical Center President and CEO: John P. Ferguson Headquarters: Hackensack Founded: 1888 NJ Employees: 7,000 Business: Healthcare The Environmental Quality Award is presented to companies that have done outstanding work to preserve or enhance the quality of the natural environment in New Jersey. This spring, The Deidre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology at Hackensack University Medical Center revamped its massive hospital cleaning operation to reduce not only the toxicity in the cleaning chemicals, but also the quantity of chemicals and the waste generated. The program has been dubbed Greening the Cleaning, the program is a coordinated effort with the Deidre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology. The hospital strives to protect the natural environment as well as making the hospital safer for patients by reducing the amount of potentially harmful chemicals in the hospital environment. In a four-phase operation that involved hospital personnel from senior management to the environmental services staff, the hospital replaced 18 of its 22 cleaning products with safer, environmentally sound alternatives that are just as effective. They also began buying cleaning materials in bulk, diluting them at the site to reduce the quantity and refilling the drums to keep containers out of the waste stream. A multidisciplinary team began by inventorying all the cleaning products used at Hackensack and evaluating their effectiveness and toxicity. The team then compared the existing products with environmentally sound substitutes. The hospital ordered new equipment and supplies, created ten new mixing stations, renovated the storage spaces and began a comprehensive, hospital-wide education program. In one week, staff were educated, proficient and at ease with the new cleaning system and environmentally friendly products. The new products are just as effective as the old ones, but without potentially harmful chemicals. For instance, the hospital replaced its existing window cleaner with one that was free from fuming solvents such as ammonia. They also switched to an all-purpose cleaner with no strong acids, chlorine, phosphates, benzene or hazardous ingredients, as defined by the federal Occupation Safety and Health Administration. While such changes may seem small, any reduction in hazardous materials will improve indoor air quality and make a big difference to patients who are already in a vulnerable state. Additionally, the waste and toxic reduction effort is expected to yield a 15 percent cost savings. The Greening the Cleaning program is an ongoing effort. Deidre Imus Center personnel are constantly monitoring the effectiveness of the program and assessing additional means of reducing toxics and waste. The center is striving to establish a model cleaning program for the healthcare industry as a whole. Back to Top -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: e mails with Quackwatch
The State rules and regulations in Wash in 1973 killed my dad ina nursing home. So I know what you mean here. I told them to call Dr on Thurs when i saw him and they waited till Sunday when he was out of his mind. They called me in Am anfd i went to the nursing home and waited alll day as they said they couldn't get a hold of the Dr. and had to wait before they could send him to the hospital. By abt 7 PM he got to hospital. By Thurs at abt 10;30 A M he was dead. The State guys came around and my dad had some vitamins with a order that he had to have 1 in A M and 1 in P M. It didn't have a prescription label on and they threw it away. Said the orders from the Dr wasn't enough . Had to have a prescription label. These vit's kept him from lung infection. When they were thrown away the nursing home never called me or told me so he went abt 6 weeks without them. He got phnemonia and they doctored him them selves and never called any Dr. untill, Sun am when they called me. Those nursing homes are ziltch also. I wished I had taken him out of the nursing home Sun Am or had taken him to Dr myself the day i tolf them to call Dr. State of Wash killed my father. maxine -Original Message- From: DJG ql...@tds.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Re: CSFwd: e mails with Quackwatch Well, I wasn't that bad, and didn't bother saving the volley. My father died on April 26, 2001. When he was admitted in March 2001 to the hospital he was taking 2 meds, and those were minimal (the story is long since this all started in March 1999, but will not go into detail). By the time he died, he was on 13 different drugs, contracted MRSA (actually was Vancomycin resistant as well), and when I saw the bag of Vancomycin, I knew his days were numbered. It literally destroyed his kidneys, eyes and liver. I was powerless though I had 3 meetings with the hospital staff, arguing with 3 doctors and the nurses. I must say they are the most arrogant, condescending _(fill it in). If I had done what I wanted, they would have evicted my dad. The hospitals don't like to see me around. In fact, they don't want anyone there who's halfway informed. I am very bitter toward our current system of medicine as I witnessed the legal killing of my dad. That may sound radical, but there's no other words for it. He was killed by a system that forces the use of very toxic chemicals that are lethal to especially the elderly. If lawsuits were based on drugs having lethal effects, our courts would be backlogged for years. If the drugs are used in accordance with the FDA approved procedure, you can't blame the hospital. His death certificate said he died of respiratory/cardiac failure. That is a fraudulent stated cause of death. They sedated him with Haldon, Morphine and one other that slips my mind at the moment, and poisoned him. We warned them that antibiotics and any sedative drugs would shut him down. They ignored us. We also said the sedation would affect his autonomic system and prevent him from breathing as we had this experience in 1999. They ignored us. We said Vancomycin was horrendously toxic to him. They said it was being monitored...the only thing they were monitoring was his death. I contacted three medical friends of mine who agreed. His symptoms were typical of Vancomycin side effects of the worst case. It was a nightmare, and I will never forgive them for what they did to my dad. It was so bad they wouldn't allow me to review his records, so I had to contact my attorney. It seemed so illogical to me anyway to give abx via IV when the lungs were where the infection was. I asked if I could use GSE and CS (via nebulizer). I was refused. Beware! Have a trusted family member or friend nearby at all times to watch your loved one in the hospital, and keep close track of everything the hospital does. The fact is they want to keep patients drugged up so they don't have to watch them. In my dad's case, we said the reason he was so uncooperative (unknowingly) was BECAUSE of the drugs and requested he be taken off them. Yet, they refused as they said he needed them to relax. It was downhill from that point on. He was a vegetable, but we convinced his doctor to have a meeting with the pulminologist (who claimed Dad was brain dead) and to take him off the sedation for a few days. They did and he came around, his brain was fine. However, the nurses were given permission to sedate him should he become agitated. To them, agitated means they have to do their job. And so it went. ICU is not what it used to be years ago. Now, they drug you and let machines monitor you. I've said enough. I am angry. Thank you for allowing me to post this. The bottom line is, the first night there he was writing us notes asking us where he was etc. By the third night he was a drugged out vegetable. It's painful for me to continue, so I'll stop here. Don't let them
RE: CSFwd: e mails with Quackwatch
Hey TJ, A total waste of time on this man. Forget it! He's immune! Put your time to more productive use. The record stands and he's been eviscerated by it! Let's go on to something else. Namaste: Bob Bartell -Original Message- From: TJ Garland [mailto:goldenok...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:34 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSFwd: e mails with Quackwatch From: T. J. Garland alch...@esper.com To: goldenok...@hotmail.com Subject: e mails with Quackwatch Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:02:05 -0500 E-mail between me and Barrett Original Message Subject: Re: ignorance Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:44:52 -0500 From: T. J. Garland alch...@esper.com To: Stephen Barrett, M.D. sbi...@quackwatch.com References: 3c544230.2040...@esper.com p0501040bb87a06c47...@[10.0.0.100] It is of interest to me because stupid, over-medicating allopaths killed both my parents 2 years ago. They tried to kill me 5 years ago with drugs. I got smart and went on a nutritional diet (Hallelujah Acres). and was healed easily and cheaply. I have asked dozens of allopaths since then about nutrition, at Chamber of Commerce meetings, political events, fundraisers, etc. and not a ONE recommended a diet change for prevention or cure of disease. Even the AMA says that allopaths killed ~200,000 patients last year. Why is that not on your site? Have you read LETHAL MEDICINE by Harvey Wachsman, MD? I am a a chemist by education. I understand body chemistry. I know what synthetic drugs do to the liver and kidneys. I could tell you a hundred horror stories about allopathic medicine- concerning friends and relatives. I have not the time-besides you know many more yourself. Dozens of health professionals agree that the reason for better health in the US today is not based on medical advances but better sanitation procedures- as indoor toilets. I have a question for you: Is autouropathy a useful therapy? Stephen Barrett, M.D. wrote: This site is the biggest scam I have ever seen. You and your drug manuf. bosses are the biggest bunch of lying SOB's I have seen. I have no monetary relationship with any drug company. Your accusation makes as much sense as me accusing you of being funded by a vitamin company. May you get terminal prostate cancer and have to rely solely on all those allopathic medicines you love so much. You are an ignorant whore of the allopaths. The sad part is thousands of people might actually believe this crap you put out. Though, I guess it could be called natural selection. TJ Garland What's your background? Why is this of interest to you? --040608000703030109000906-- _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFW: New items appearing in your saved search - colloidal silver
hello Bob, Will you tell em where and what is the best silver to buy for Wm to use as he is in process of buying the rest of what he needs to make the CS machine so I can get some CS and see if it will get rid of this 14 months of Pain in my face, chin, ear teeth etc. from Sghingles last Jan 1 2001. I told him if he didn't get on it I was buying a qt of antifreeze and next time i have a bad pain spell I was drinking it all. I will get rid of it soon or else for good. I am sicker than sick of this pain. Nothing as Horrible. I realy should go ring the guy's neck that brought his chicken pox teen age kid to that 2000 X mas dinner. we were invited to and went. We don't go to any invited things now. He even caused his own parents to suffer and they got CS and took about 3 sessions of it and got rid of their pain a bout 6 weeks ago. Now it's past, past my time. I know God didn't even give Old Satan power to have that kind of pain in H_. I am sure. Our friends bought a gal of CS paid 175.00 for it. Rip off. I don't have any money like that. I have KT and Kefir as well which have helped with other things I don't have money to buy the drugs for.. So I am better off without them and will have CS soon. They have my high Blood Pr. under control better than the Zestral. and I finialy got muy digestive tract back on a daily basis. Maxine -Original Message- From: Bob Bartell bobbart...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: RE: CSFW: New items appearing in your saved search - colloidal silver Connie, I am ROTFLMAO --- Yankee Ingenuity defeats the FDA! Good Post! Namaste: Bob Bartell -Original Message- From: Connie [mailto:wufn...@stargate.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:37 AM To: silver- list Subject: CSFW: New items appearing in your saved search - colloidal silver thought some would like to look at these (and laugh) can't sell CS on ebay, so selling information on the benefits of... -- From: savedsearc...@ebay.com Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:49:55 PST To: wufn...@stargate.net Subject: New items appearing in your saved search - colloidal silver Hello wufn...@stargate.net Good news! New items have been found at eBay in your favorite search for: Keywords: colloidal silver Here are the most recent new listings since we last emailed you. Please click on any of the URLs to see what we have found for you. 1. Item #: 1697504316 Title: Colloidal Silver Benefits Information Pak Price: $0.01 Bids: 0 Starts: Jan-28-02 13:54:58 PST URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1697504316 2. Item #: 1697498436 Title: Colloidal Silver Info Pak Price: $0.01 Bids: 0 Starts: Jan-28-02 13:40:49 PST URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1697498436 3. Item #: 1697494863 Title: THIS BOOK MAY SAVE YOUR LIFE_Colloidal Silver Price: $0.01 Bids: 3 Starts: Jan-28-02 13:32:42 PST URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1697494863 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:03:35 -0500, DJG ql...@tds.net wrote: Also, a friend of mine (a retired bio-physicist) gave me a machine called the Ionotron he developed in the 1970's and 1980's. It is based on Iontophoresis, however went way beyond what IP is used for today. It's quite amazing as he explained it. His research and clinical use showed he could cure ear infections in 15 minutes, and accelerated healing 20-30 times, plus numerous other uses. If anyone is interested in my machine, I'd like to discuss it with you, especially if you are knowledgeable in electro-medical devices and/or chemistry related to medicine. My friend has given me permission to do what I wish with the machine, but he will remain anonymous unless I'm told otherwise. Could you describe it? Can you measure the voltage/current (and pulse frequency and shape, if it's a pulsed unit)? What kind of electrodes are used (I noted that one WWW site suggests using silver or silver chloride electrodes with their iontophoresis machine -- hmm). -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:03:35 -0500, DJG ql...@tds.net wrote: If anyone is interested in my machine, I'd like to discuss it with you, especially if you are knowledgeable in electro-medical devices and/or chemistry related to medicine. My friend has given me permission to do what I wish with the machine, but he will remain anonymous unless I'm told otherwise. Oh -- that WWW site is: http://physio.curtin.edu.au/epa/ionto.htm On that site they say: (3)Treatment times greater than 10 minutes are not likely to achieve any greater tissue concentrations due to the removal of the medication by circulation. Isn't that what some people might want? To get some medication into the blood stream? -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
