CSDistilled Water Purity
Regarding the 'beard' or 'roots' on my one electrode, I notice when I make CS (my own set-up with the 9volt batteries) that depending on whether I use a bubbler or not AND whether the bubbler is moving slowly or gung ho makes a difference as to whether I get a 'beard' or 'roots'. I get roots when I don't use a bubbler or have the bubbler set to bubble very slowly (two or three bubbles per second). This is also when I get a yellowish CS with a stronger TE. I tend to get a beardy-like, waving grass-like growth when I use my bubbler set to bubble stronger and have more water movement. I also get a totally clear CS with very little TE when I brew like this. I would assume the bubbler is adding air (oxygen,etc...) into the water, both dissolved and not dissolved. Does this have anything to do with the roots or beardiness of the electrode? Or could it be the carbon dioxide in the 'air'? Also, I don't have either of the Hanna meters to check my distilled water but when I check the conductivity of the water before I start brewing a batch AND before I spike it with some of a previous batch, using a plain old digital multimeter (using the mA function), my Food Lion distilled water, which is ozonated and steam distilled, always reads below .05 mA. Is this good? Does it even matter? I would think that I would want the water the least conductive to start with (until I spike it with CS to raise the conductivity). Am I correct? Thanks, Christine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuestion about new batches of CS?
Overcook could be it. Timers on a constant voltage generator cannot be the least bit accurate. The whole process is an exponential runaway that can vary by hours at the start and burn up in seconds towards the end. The slightest bit of difference in waters will make a huge difference in the time it takes. On a constant current generator, timing can be accurate IF you know what you had when you started timing as runaway stops when the current controls kick in and the process goes linear from there. You have to know when the current control has kicked in or have some other reference to show you where you were when you started timing. Ken At 06:56 PM 9/22/02 EDT, you wrote: I have been making my own CS for a little over a year now. I use Walgreens Distilled Water which has always worked for me. I use a Robey Deluxe Mark ll Colloidal Silver Generator. I make 8 ounces in about 35 minutes normally I recently found a larger container that the lid of the CS gen. would fit on. The new bottle is a quart ( 32 ounces ) I ran it for about an hour, cleaning the wires every 20 minutes and stirring each time. The batches all looked clear when I finished, but today all of them (3 ) have turned different shades of yellow. The question is, did I over cook them? Is the CS good to use in my cat's water and for me to drink? What about using yellow CS for eyedrops? I don't have a meter to see what PPM I got but tests on the 40PPM setting and 8 oz brewed till the timer light goes out, gave me reading of 15 PPM. Thank you for your opinions/expertise in advance. Rose -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTEM
I've made some pretty strong CS with a strong TE 24.7 uS [PWT] see jpg. Sample pic taken sitting on a window sill in morning daylight...CS 3 weeks old, crystal clear in indirect light, almost milky looking in direct light, no sparklies. Another sample metered out to 14.6 uS, strong TE in indirect daylight [similar to pic]...looked pale yellow in old gin bottle with yellow label but was actually crystal clear when placed in another container without a label. It's like a billion tiny mirrors that pick up any color that's near it. Yet another batch meters to 43.7 uS, clear but the TE isn't as strong. I'm still trying to figure out how to make batches go one way or the other in a repeatable manner. Every lab I've ever sent a sample to has returned widely different results ranging from 26.8 PPM [Ole Bob] to 45.5 PPM. [NCDNR Water Lab] [No two labs used the same method..all samples run the same way so far as possible. Samples wound up very pale yellow on arrival but were clear/colorless when they left here] I think the science of testing quantities in the lower end of parts per million range has a ways to go. Ken At 08:25 AM 9/20/02 -0700, you wrote: Hi Frank, So that explains why our CS shows very faint Tyndall except in the dark or subdued light. It's because the CS is mostly ionic. By your recent analysis of CS made with our SG7 it's 99.97% ionic. What wasn't clear to me is why there were some large particles showing in the microphotographs and yet I see a weak Tyndall. That has always bothered me. It was a dichotomy that I couldn't rationalize. Thanks for making it more clear to me. However, there's another problem. We have had samples analyzed using AA and the results always came back 85% ionic...15% colloidal. That seems incongruous doesn't it? How do you think it can be almost 100% ionic when you test it and only 85% when another lab does the test? I'm stumped. Do you think one of the methods skews the results? I have been able to produce CS with very pronounced Tyndall but of course it was always coloredthe depth of color directly related to Tyndall effect. I have always tried to produce clear CS knowing the particles were as small as possible if there was no color. Trem - Original Message - From: Frank Key fr...@strsoft.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: Re: CSBuyer Beware TEM images of ionic silver solutions are virtually worthless for the following reason: When attempting to use a Transmission Electron Microscope(TEM) to observe colloidal silver solutions, the sample must be desiccated to remove the water. This removal of water forces the silver ions in solution to combine with anions in solution to form silver compounds. This dramatically changes what was in solution so that what is observed using the TEM now has little relationship to what was in the solution before desiccation. For this reason, the interpretation of TEM images of ionic solutions becomes difficult in the extreme (read virtually impossible!). The TEM is sometimes used in an attempt to measure the size of particles in solution. The U.S. National Bureau of Standards (now N.I.S.T) has determined that it would required at least 10,000 TEM images be analyzed in order to make a statistically valid measurement of particle size based on TEM images. For this reason, the TEM is not considered viable for measuring particle sizes. When you try to use a TEM to examine ionic silver solutions, you wind up only seeing the silver oxide that is formed when the sample is desiccated. You are not seeing the silver particles because the particles of silver oxide out number the silver particles by several million to one. Below is an explanation of what happens. What happens to the silver ions in solution when the water is evaporated? Silver ions in a solution cannot exist without water, so when the water is evaporated the silver ions (cations) must combine with an available anion to form a compound. The predominant anions present in a silver colloid solution are hydroxide and carbonate. The compounds thus formed are silver hydroxide and silver carbonate. Silver hydroxide is unstable and reduces to silver oxide and hydrogen. The silver carbonate will reduce to silver oxide and carbon dioxide. The final compound that remains is silver oxide. This process begins as a single silver ion is forced to combine with a single anion forming a single molecule of the compound. The molecule has no ionic charge and therefore no repulsive force. The lack of repulsion causes the molecules to be attracted to each other by van der Waals' force of attraction which causes them to aggregate and form small particles of the compound. The size of the particle growth is limited by the reduced mobility of the molecules as the water evaporates. What remains is particles of silver oxide whose diameter is 1 - 3 nanometers. It is these particles
Re: CSDistilled Water Purity
I don't know about bubblers but with circular stirring, too fast a water speed creates a pressure wave that increases the stability of hydrogen bubbles and increases their surface tension so they won't bubble off as well...and silver gets stuck in the boundary between bubble and water. The fuzzies grow into the direction of the water flow. [chunks] Too slow and you don't get proper hydration for the ion propagation rate. [yellows] Somewhere in between is the sweet spot, No? I find that the more pitted and blackened looking the electrodes are, the easier it is to get a good batch. I never scrub them shiney anymore...just a light wipe. ken At 10:55 AM 9/23/02 -0400, you wrote: Regarding the 'beard' or 'roots' on my one electrode, I notice when I make CS (my own set-up with the 9volt batteries) that depending on whether I use a bubbler or not AND whether the bubbler is moving slowly or gung ho makes a difference as to whether I get a 'beard' or 'roots'. I get roots when I don't use a bubbler or have the bubbler set to bubble very slowly (two or three bubbles per second). This is also when I get a yellowish CS with a stronger TE. I tend to get a beardy-like, waving grass-like growth when I use my bubbler set to bubble stronger and have more water movement. I also get a totally clear CS with very little TE when I brew like this. I would assume the bubbler is adding air (oxygen,etc...) into the water, both dissolved and not dissolved. Does this have anything to do with the roots or beardiness of the electrode? Or could it be the carbon dioxide in the 'air'? Also, I don't have either of the Hanna meters to check my distilled water but when I check the conductivity of the water before I start brewing a batch AND before I spike it with some of a previous batch, using a plain old digital multimeter (using the mA function), my Food Lion distilled water, which is ozonated and steam distilled, always reads below .05 mA. Is this good? Does it even matter? I would think that I would want the water the least conductive to start with (until I spike it with CS to raise the conductivity). Am I correct? Thanks, Christine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V102 #680
Consider MSM James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Hanneke [mailto:bloss...@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 9:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V102 #680 I've got a question which someone hopefully can answer for me: My lower-back is killing me at the moment. I have colloidal silver, MSM powder, and a 12 ml spraybottle. Can I mix the 2 (silver and MSM) and what is the ratio, and is that a good solution for topical application. (Have ordered books on both silver and MSM but it takes 4-6 weeks to arrive here from USA). Thanks Hanneke/Australia - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:15 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V102 #680 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNature's Treasure Silver Machine
Hi All, I'm considering purchasing this company's CS generator. The Silver Machine seems to be not only capable of producing high quality CS, but also does that at a really good price! This is very important to me because not only do I have severe health issues, but I also am on Disability as a result of these issues, so cost is a big consideration. The info on the website sounds great, but is a little sketchy on some of the details, IMHO. As this will be an international purchase for me, I am wondering if anyone on this list has any usage experience with this machine and would like to share the info (good/bad), makes no difference. The product page on the company's website is: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~naturestreasure/silver-machine-1.html TIA for any input. Blessings and Light, Jannette PS. My apologies to everyone for not turning off my Return receipt request before posting to the group. I am a member of several newsgroups (most hosted by Yahoo ), and had never encountered this situation before.
Re: CSCS Making Help
Greetings Martha, and welcome to the list! I am new to making CS, and have made my own generator out of alligator clamps, wire, and a 27 volt ac/dc plug (husband helped make it). :-) Well, good job, both of you. smile Anyway, I have read several sites that say they use spring water instead of distilled water, because spring water has everything in it, where as distilled water you need to add baking soda to get the silver started. In the old days, folks said to start with distilled water and add a bit of salt (the size of the bit varying from one expert to another) to act as a starter for the reaction. The result was very rapid production, with a highly visible cloud of particles coming off the anode, streams of bubbles from the cathode, and a yeild something like 1 ppm per minute. Analysis by some experimentors showed that the product made this way contained larger particles. This seemed to be confirmed by a tendency for at least some of the silver to settle out in the bottom of the bottle if it sat for a couple of weeks. You wouldn't want to run it this way for more than a few minutes, or you'll make mud! It doesn't surprise me that some folks have taken a shortcut for simplicity's sake and just said to use tap water or spring water... I'd even use that if it was all I had and the need was urgent, as it would not do any harm in the short run. But in the long run, you don't really know what you're making, as there will be all sorts of chemistry going on between the silver and the dissolved salts and minerals in the water... You'll get who-knows-what, and it won't be just silver. I decided to use spring water to make my CS so I wouldn't have to add stuff to the water. I tested the spring water and the TDS meter shows 143 on the meter. (is this the ppm?). If it's a TDS meter, it's probably calibrated in parts-per-million of some standard solution. It won't directly tell you what ppm your CS is because 1) it's not calibrated for silver, and 2) your silver will be both ions, that the TDS meter detects, and particles, that it won't. TDS meters will let you catch a bad batch of distilled water, and will give you a rough idea of what you're getting from batch to batch, but actually measuring ppm accurately is quite complicated, so don't expect miracles from such a simple meter. The good news is that it's not crucial exactly how strong you make your CS. If it's weaker you use more. Dose for effect. I also tested the CS when it was finished with the TDS meter and it showed 117 (is this the ppm?). Why would the ppm go down after making CS? Wouldn't it make sense that the number would go up and not down? Remember that remark I made above about all sorts of chemistry going on? That's what I'm talking about. You also say: I heated the water... ... which adds that to the mix as well. Heating the water may drive off some dissolved gases that normally make the water more conductive. The silver might also be combining with some of the stuff in the water to make stable compounds that drop out of solution and thus won't be picked up by the meter, either. And any number of other things going on could be acting to reduce the concentration of things that the TDS meter can pick up... The water is a little cloudy. When you drink it, it taste a little bitter. So you would still figure that the number on the TDS meter should read higher, instead of lower. Yes you would! In fact, if you started with good distilled water in a clean container, it would read no more than a couple of ppm when you started. Then, after you ran it for a while you could re-test and see maybe 5 or 10 or 15 ppm, at which point I'd say you should stop. There's no point in trying to push for more. The big difference between the methods is that it will take a long time for enough current to start flowing in the pure water to really start producing CS. In fact, it happens so slowly it's nearly impossible to *see* anything happening at all except by monitoring the current with a milliamp meter or periodically checking with the TDS meter. Expect to take an hour or two to make a batch. Exactly how long will depend on a number of things that are really not easy to control. The other difference is that you'll probably get some fluffy buildup on the negative electrode that you will have to be careful not to mix in with the CS. You'll need to carefully pull the electrodes out of the water and wipe them off with a paper napkin or something a few times during the run. The results will (probably) be clear to some shade of pale yellow, and it will last longer in the bottle than the other stuff, with little if any settling. Even this process will produce mud and instability and settling if you run it for too long trying to make it stronger. Like I said, a few to a dozen ppm is plenty good enough. I was on another forum for those making CS, and someone told me that I needed to use
CSBackache question
Okay -- here I am on my soapbox again. When I had lower back pain I decided it might be kidneys. Finally discovered I was dehydrated. I now drink half of my weight (in pounds) divided by eight (in 8 oz glasses) of water every day -- half before breakfast. My back ache is about gone -- and so are joint aches. Judy Down Maine -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes [mailto:a...@cybermesa.com] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V102 #680 Consider MSM James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Hanneke [mailto:bloss...@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 9:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V102 #680 I've got a question which someone hopefully can answer for me: My lower-back is killing me at the moment. I have colloidal silver, MSM powder, and a 12 ml spraybottle. Can I mix the 2 (silver and MSM) and what is the ratio, and is that a good solution for topical application. (Have ordered books on both silver and MSM but it takes 4-6 weeks to arrive here from USA). Thanks Hanneke/Australia - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:15 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V102 #680 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 09/09/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 09/09/2002
Re: CSCS Making Help
Martha N. wrote: Hello,I am new to making CS, and have made my own generator out of alligator clamps, wire, and a 27 volt ac/dc plug (husband helped make it). :-)Anyway, I have read several sites that say they use spring water instead of distilled water, because spring water has everything in it, where as distilled water you need to add baking soda to get the silver started.So, I decided to use spring water to make my CS so I wouldn't have to add stuff to the water. I tested the spring water and the TDS meter shows 143 on the meter. (is this the ppm?).I also tested the CS when it was finished with the TDS meter and it showed 117 (is this the ppm?).Why would the ppm go down after making CS? Wouldn't it make sense that the number would go up and not down? No, that is exactly what I would expect, since you will be reducing the number of ions in the water. Using spring water, there is no telling what you are making. Basically the silver ions leave the anode, then if using distilled water bind together to form a silver colloid mixed with ions. If you have any salts in the water, then the ions will immediately bind with the anion of the salt, usually chlorine. So virtually ALL the silver ions will end up reacting with the chlorine of the salts. This forms silver chloride, which is almost totally insoluble, and precipitates out. So lets say that you have 143 ppm of sodium, potassium or calcium chloride in the water. That means that you have approximately 70 ppm chlorine (this is using some gross rounding off). What that means is that the first 70 ppm of silver ions you make, none will end up being a colloid, all of it will become silver chloride and precipitate out. So what you end up with eventually will be water, sodium, potassium or calcium hydroxide and silver chloride on the bottom. Once all the chlorine is used up, the colloid can start forming. If you are wanting to make 5 ppm of colloid, you will have to use up 75 ppm of your silver. I think you would be much better off starting with distilled water so when 5 ppm of silver goes into the water, it stays there as ions or particles. Your water likely contains calcium carbonate as well if the ph is over 7, or sulfuric and sulfurous acids if the ph is below 7, so the above is not exactly right, but the chemistry would still be similar. Marshall
CSCS Making Help
Hello, I am new to making CS, and have made my own generator out of alligator clamps, wire, and a 27 volt ac/dc plug (husband helped make it). :-) Anyway, I have read several sites that say they use spring water instead of distilled water, because spring water has everything in it, where as distilled water you need to add baking soda to get the silver started. So, I decided to use spring water to make my CS so I wouldn't have to add stuff to the water. I tested the spring water and the TDS meter shows 143 on the meter. (is this the ppm?). I also tested the CS when it was finished with the TDS meter and it showed 117 (is this the ppm?). Why would the ppm go down after making CS? Wouldn't it make sense that the number would go up and not down? I read that heating the water makes a higher ppm of CS than using water that is room temperature. So I heated the water, and then put the homemade generator together and started it. You could see that the silver was coming off the silver wire, and the other wire was turning a slight greyish black color. You can also see the silver floating around in the water after the generator was unhooked (the process stopped). The water is a little cloudy. When you drink it, it taste a little bitter. So you would still figure that the number on the TDS meter should read higher, instead of lower. I was on another forum for those making CS, and someone told me that I needed to use the distilled water instead of the spring water. They also said that I needed to get on here and talk to others that make CS to get more information, since their forum had more or less died out. I hope someone on here can help me. Thank you very much, Martha
Re: CSQuestion about new batches of CS?
Why is there so much different in ppm of distilled or spring water that you buy? I thought it was all suppose to say 0ppm?? Martha - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:48 AM Subject: Re: CSQuestion about new batches of CS? Overcook could be it. Timers on a constant voltage generator cannot be the least bit accurate. The whole process is an exponential runaway that can vary by hours at the start and burn up in seconds towards the end. The slightest bit of difference in waters will make a huge difference in the time it takes. On a constant current generator, timing can be accurate IF you know what you had when you started timing as runaway stops when the current controls kick in and the process goes linear from there. You have to know when the current control has kicked in or have some other reference to show you where you were when you started timing. Ken At 06:56 PM 9/22/02 EDT, you wrote: I have been making my own CS for a little over a year now. I use Walgreens Distilled Water which has always worked for me. I use a Robey Deluxe Mark ll Colloidal Silver Generator. I make 8 ounces in about 35 minutes normally I recently found a larger container that the lid of the CS gen. would fit on. The new bottle is a quart ( 32 ounces ) I ran it for about an hour, cleaning the wires every 20 minutes and stirring each time. The batches all looked clear when I finished, but today all of them (3 ) have turned different shades of yellow. The question is, did I over cook them? Is the CS good to use in my cat's water and for me to drink? What about using yellow CS for eyedrops? I don't have a meter to see what PPM I got but tests on the 40PPM setting and 8 oz brewed till the timer light goes out, gave me reading of 15 PPM. Thank you for your opinions/expertise in advance. Rose -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Making Help
Martha, I am not an expert at making CS. I am sure there are others here that have much more knowledge about this than me. All I can say is that everything I have read and been told is to make CS with distilled water. Nothing has to be added as far as I hear from most of everyone. It doesn't take anything added for CS to start being made in distilled water. Sometimes I hear of others using a little bit of already made CS when making a new batch. I don't think that is absolutely necessary though. It just helps speed up the process a bit. I am sure others will soon post and agree about using distilled water though. - Original Message - From: Martha N. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:44 PM Subject: CSCS Making Help Hello, I am new to making CS, and have made my own generator out of alligator clamps, wire, and a 27 volt ac/dc plug (husband helped make it). :-) Anyway, I have read several sites that say they use spring water instead of distilled water, because spring water has everything in it, where as distilled water you need to add baking soda to get the silver started. So, I decided to use spring water to make my CS so I wouldn't have to add stuff to the water. I tested the spring water and the TDS meter shows 143 on the meter. (is this the ppm?). I also tested the CS when it was finished with the TDS meter and it showed 117 (is this the ppm?). Why would the ppm go down after making CS? Wouldn't it make sense that the number would go up and not down? I read that heating the water makes a higher ppm of CS than using water that is room temperature. So I heated the water, and then put the homemade generator together and started it. You could see that the silver was coming off the silver wire, and the other wire was turning a slight greyish black color. You can also see the silver floating around in the water after the generator was unhooked (the process stopped). The water is a little cloudy. When you drink it, it taste a little bitter. So you would still figure that the number on the TDS meter should read higher, instead of lower. I was on another forum for those making CS, and someone told me that I needed to use the distilled water instead of the spring water. They also said that I needed to get on here and talk to others that make CS to get more information, since their forum had more or less died out. I hope someone on here can help me. Thank you very much, Martha
CSHepatitis C CS
I'mlooking for any info, advice, experiences, success or non stories regarding the use of CS for Hepatitis C. This would be in a case where a round of interferon has not worked. Thanks, Nancy cob...@apex2000.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWhy don't we call it Ionic Silver?
Recently I followed the thread under the subject of Buyer Beware. In it a silver substance referred to as colloidal silver was in fact between 85% and 99.7% ionic silver. I've checked a number of lab reports on commercially available colloidal silver. In every case the ionic content has been between 85 and 99% yet it is consistently referred to as colloidal silver. We wouldn't do that in talking about juice as opposed to flavored drinks. Even though the practice of referring to all of these substances as colloidal silver isn't intended to deceive, isn't this practice indeed deceptive? I know that Colloidal silver has become a sort of catch all term for liquids, gels, and ointments containing silver in virtually any form, but isn't that part of the problem we face every day in trying to help people understand what is and is not a quality colloidal silver product? I believe that what most of us make with our home generators is, generally speaking, 85% or greater ionic silver yet we continue to refer to it as colloidal silver. Why, as a community, do we seem so unwilling to refer to the substance we're talking about as ionic silver? It seams clear that in 90% or more of the cases, the substance being talked about is an ionic silver solution and not colloidal silver at all. Are we afraid that we will confuse people by using the term ionic silver? Or is it just easier to continue to do what we've been doing and not try to explain the terminology and work at reforming our habits? Or is there some other reason that we hesitate to use the term, ionic silver solution? When people ask me, How can I be sure I'm getting real colloidal silver? Or how can I tell if the CS I'm buying is what the label claims? Or how do I tell the difference between a good CS and one that is not so good? shouldn't I tell them that, chances are, you are not getting true colloidal silver no matter what you buy? Aren't we doing our cause more harm by being so careless in our terminology. If what we are making and/or selling is 85% to99% ionic silver in its make up, why don't we call it Ionic silver or ionic silver solution rather than colloidal silver, which it is not? We appear to be more particular about the terminology we use for the water we use to make this stuff than we are about what we call the end product. How can we hope to enhance our credibility when we don't even call our product by an accurate name. We all know that there are very real differences between colloidal silver and an ionic sliver solution. Wouldn't we all be better served if we consistently used the right term for the substance under discussion? If ionic silver solutions are actually responsible for most of the impressive results achieved by people using colloidal silver shouldn't we make that clear rather than crediting it to colloidal silver? LTR
CSWow!
Hi to everyone.yesterday I began a protocol of internal H202 therapy
after much reading and studying. I decided to start with 10 drops twice a day
mixed with distilled water. My first dose was last nite at around 02:00. I
noticed no sick feeling or any other ill affect. This morning I was amazed
when I woke up with about a 80% decrease in my rheumatoid arthritis pain. I've
been slowly getting better anyway from taking large doses of silver however I
seemed to be at a very very slow progress here lately. I got out of bed and
didn't need to sit down to wait for stiffness to leave my joints.I'm not
going to claim at this point that it was the H202but thats the only
thing I did different.
About a month agoI made another big change..since I am a computer
tech.I decided to switch to a LCD monitor.
That also led to a big change in how well I was feelingI wouldn't
be a bit surprised if my whole problem was caused by radiation bombardment from
constant pc use. I have read alot about what monitor radiationg can do to
you.and I'm convinced that this had alot to do with my RA. {especially
since my monitors that I use are somewhat older}
Any other suggestions would be very welcome and appreciated!!
Robb
Re: CSNature's Treasure Silver Machine
If you live in the USA [or even if you don't]
silverpuppy and silvergen have both the price and the technology beat hands down with constant current, constant stirring, auto off and concentration flexability that's based on something.
Next in line would be wishgranted and a few others.
The manufacturing process IS in our hands and you get to see what the heck you're buying inside and out with all the specs available with a 100% satisfaction gaurantee [You do that Trem?] and direct contact with the person who designed and made the thing for any support you might need.
This site tells you nothing much and doesn't even have a visual of the product. Like, what is it?? $166 for what? I'd want to know.
The machines are also foolproof. Simply turn them on, half hour later, they automatically turn off. If for some reason you require a stronger solution, simply turn the machine on again - half hour later, you have a double strength solution.
How does it turn itself off? [a timer apparently]
Double the time/ double the strength...OK, that sorta works...double 'what' strength?
What current, over what area ,in what volume, at what spacing, for how long, in what inital conductivity water?
Clue: The timer won't work unless you know where you start timing from and doubling an unknown still gets you an unknown. [and it's likely that you won't be doubling it the first time..the second time?, yes.] The timing start point has to be keyed from something that eliminates the initial variables of starting conductivity and beginning undercurrent if that conductivity is very low. The difference could be seconds, minutes or hours depending on the water quality and how cold or hot it is.
a quote..
13] HOW is it made? In simple terms - you take two pure Silver rods [size depending on the ratio of water going to be used],
Why is that important? The electrodes have no idea how much water is around them...only between them. Is that how they calibrate the timer? Change the surface area of the electrodes or the distance between them and everything else changes too. Do they supply a chart or something?
immerse them in pure water, then apply power. Positive to one rod, negative to the other. Apply power at the rate of 27 volts and around 500 microamps. {{OK, .5 ma, pretty safe, not bad, but not informative either}}
How big are the electrodes? What shape?
How is electrode spacing and mounting handled?
What's the power source?
A quote from the site
Thats why, as you will read below, we recommend the use of pure, distilled
water. You see, the moment you turn the power on to make your Silver, whatever impurities exist in the water, become - well,
something else. A molecular change occurs. Sea-salt for example becomes a different sodium. Not so useful for someone who is
already not well. There is also a company that tells you to drop some hydrogen peroxide - bleach - into your Silver. Just to be
different, just so it can be claimed that they are better. Well, forget it. After over 20 years of research, you still cannot improve
something pure by making it less pure. What we have learned is how to produce consistently fine .001 to .005 micron size particles.
Even after double or triple normal production times, these machines will still produce that same size particles.
No idea about agglomeration I see. All LVDC generators produce the same sized particles, ie ions...they just don't all stay that size.
The method is no
secret. You see, with most machines, what happens is that as the machine begins to produce Silver, resistance increases in the
water. As the resistance increases, so does the power drawn from the machine increases. The result of that is larger and larger
particles.
So, after 20 years of research they don't know the difference between resistance and conductance? Hydrogen peroxide is not bleach, though it can be used as bleach... and doesn't remain hydrogen peroxide,[which is just water and oxygen anyway], after it reacts. [not that I recommend doing that nor am saying that it can't be toxic or form free radicals..but get a perspective here! H2O2 isn't cyanide.] They make it sound like 2 or 3 drops in a cup is a big bugga boo. And anyone that suggests running a generator in h202 water is out of their minds. Great way to make metal flake for your paint job.
Sea salt does not become a different sodium..it's the same sodium compounded differently...which likely makes it more inert. They make it sound like a few grains of salt is a significant health risk compared to one saltine cracker.
Beyond the big sales scare, they're right. No point in changing something that works better or using something that's not needed.
Well, they have the skeleton of an idea..now for 166 smackers worth of flesh on it?
As the particles form, they inherit a positive charge. This inherent positive charge is what enables the particles to remain in
suspension. It is quite a magic show - if you put some silver into a clear
CSRe: Malaria
CS Gang, I have no doubt that in many respects CS would be effective against malaria, though not a cure all. I spent the decade of the 70's in West Africa and used to get reinfected with malaria about twice a year, pretty consistently. I stopped taking the prophylaxis/ drug because these had deleterious effects over time, like memory loss/ loss of hair and so forth. Gradually I came to understand that my body would at times become vulnerable. This tended to happen whenever, due to some circumstance I would become exhausted. For example, if I were to take a long journey by road. That's when I would pop the drug. I've heard it said that the parasite remains in the blood for about fifteen years, but I think its power to effect one might tend to constantly diminish over that period. So when the immune system is down the parasite bounces back In any event CS could only help, but it seems one has to combat malaria with a whole grab bag of remedies. Mosquito nets are one good starter, effective against more direct reinfection. As an aside it's interesting to note the reason why Sub-Saharan Africans tend to be immune to malaria. This has to do with their tendency to sickle cell anemia. It seems that the mere shape of the sickle cell is a real inhibition to the malarial parasite. Namaste, Reid, newly moved to Kathmandu and back to work. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: malaria and water supply
A question regarding a posted observation that.. CS isn't a medicine or drug, it's a mineral supplement that most animals (including humans) can use as their entire water supply. If CS is one's entire water supply wouldn't that tend to mean that they're not getting any of the other beneficial minerals water typically containes. It would appear that aside from the benefits of the CS the water would only serve as an aid to hydration. Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Making Help
Huh, no you wouldn't. The cloudier the water becomes, the more particles of something you made..the lower the TDS meter will read. Look for precipitates after letting things settle for a few days. You've probably made more of them out of ions that 'were' in the water than have induced conductive silver ions 'into' the water. With a little time, don't be surprised if the TDS reads even lower. Ken The water is a little cloudy. When you drink it, it taste a little bitter. So you would still figure that the number on the TDS meter should read higher, instead of lower. Yes you would! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: responses to backache
Thanks Bill, James and Judy for the suggestions. Bill, I have put the books on my list for the library (hopefully they can get them for me thru interlibrary loan- not sure if I want to 'hang on' to my backache till books arrive from USA). With my water intake being pretty much up to scratch (around 70 oz per day), I've now sprayed with CS. Thanks for all help Hanneke - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V102 #683 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: malaria and water supply
Hi Reid, On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 04:27:20 +0600, Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np wrote: If CS is one's entire water supply wouldn't that tend to mean that they're not getting any of the other beneficial minerals water typically containes. It would appear that aside from the benefits of the CS the water would only serve as an aid to hydration. That's true, you'd be missing other minerals and compounds from water. But in many places, you really don't want many of the compounds or minerals, like lead, mercury, fluorine, pesticides, herbicides, etc.). In most cases, getting minerals from the meat and veggies you eat is a better idea -- and they're easier for the body to assimilate. Unfortunately, silver isn't available in most food sources, except food grown in silver regions of the world (where they have silver in their water sources). -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Making Help
Thank you very much for the information Mike and Marshall. This helps a lot. I am going to make some more CS tomorrow with the distilled water. I will let yall know what happens with the batch. I did read about adding salt to the water before making the CS. That causes some kind of other effect, from what I've read and is not good for you at all. So I know not to add salt to the CS before starting or at anytime. From some of the other post, it sounds like the distilled water from Wal-greens is better to buy to make the CS with. Why does the other distilled water have more ppm of something in it than, Wal-Greens? I thought that any distilled water, would be distilled water, and that would make all distilled water the same? Martha - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Re: CSCS Making Help Greetings Martha, and welcome to the list! I am new to making CS, and have made my own generator out of alligator clamps, wire, and a 27 volt ac/dc plug (husband helped make it). :-) Well, good job, both of you. smile Anyway, I have read several sites that say they use spring water instead of distilled water, because spring water has everything in it, where as distilled water you need to add baking soda to get the silver started. In the old days, folks said to start with distilled water and add a bit of salt (the size of the bit varying from one expert to another) to act as a starter for the reaction. The result was very rapid production, with a highly visible cloud of particles coming off the anode, streams of bubbles from the cathode, and a yeild something like 1 ppm per minute. Analysis by some experimentors showed that the product made this way contained larger particles. This seemed to be confirmed by a tendency for at least some of the silver to settle out in the bottom of the bottle if it sat for a couple of weeks. You wouldn't want to run it this way for more than a few minutes, or you'll make mud! It doesn't surprise me that some folks have taken a shortcut for simplicity's sake and just said to use tap water or spring water... I'd even use that if it was all I had and the need was urgent, as it would not do any harm in the short run. But in the long run, you don't really know what you're making, as there will be all sorts of chemistry going on between the silver and the dissolved salts and minerals in the water... You'll get who-knows-what, and it won't be just silver. I decided to use spring water to make my CS so I wouldn't have to add stuff to the water. I tested the spring water and the TDS meter shows 143 on the meter. (is this the ppm?). If it's a TDS meter, it's probably calibrated in parts-per-million of some standard solution. It won't directly tell you what ppm your CS is because 1) it's not calibrated for silver, and 2) your silver will be both ions, that the TDS meter detects, and particles, that it won't. TDS meters will let you catch a bad batch of distilled water, and will give you a rough idea of what you're getting from batch to batch, but actually measuring ppm accurately is quite complicated, so don't expect miracles from such a simple meter. The good news is that it's not crucial exactly how strong you make your CS. If it's weaker you use more. Dose for effect. I also tested the CS when it was finished with the TDS meter and it showed 117 (is this the ppm?). Why would the ppm go down after making CS? Wouldn't it make sense that the number would go up and not down? Remember that remark I made above about all sorts of chemistry going on? That's what I'm talking about. You also say: I heated the water... ... which adds that to the mix as well. Heating the water may drive off some dissolved gases that normally make the water more conductive. The silver might also be combining with some of the stuff in the water to make stable compounds that drop out of solution and thus won't be picked up by the meter, either. And any number of other things going on could be acting to reduce the concentration of things that the TDS meter can pick up... The water is a little cloudy. When you drink it, it taste a little bitter. So you would still figure that the number on the TDS meter should read higher, instead of lower. Yes you would! In fact, if you started with good distilled water in a clean container, it would read no more than a couple of ppm when you started. Then, after you ran it for a while you could re-test and see maybe 5 or 10 or 15 ppm, at which point I'd say you should stop. There's no point in trying to push for more. The big difference between the methods is that it will take a long time for enough current to start flowing in the pure water to really start
Re: CSRe: responses to backache
Aren't these books also available in Australia? You can also get expedited shipping, which despite the cost seems recommended in your case. - Original Message - From: Hanneke bloss...@ozemail.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 6:28 PM Subject: CSRe: responses to backache Thanks Bill, James and Judy for the suggestions. Bill, I have put the books on my list for the library (hopefully they can get them for me thru interlibrary loan- not sure if I want to 'hang on' to my backache till books arrive from USA). With my water intake being pretty much up to scratch (around 70 oz per day), I've now sprayed with CS. Thanks for all help Hanneke - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V102 #683 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHepatitis C CS reply
doggo1 wrote: I'mlooking for any info, advice, experiences, success or non stories regarding the use of CS for Hepatitis C. This would be in a case where a round of interferon has not worked. Thanks, Nancy cob...@apex2000.net nancy try this web address kkor...@gc.com it's from a woman named karen i read her testimony on another website. she's going through peg inteferon treatment for hep-c plus taking cs she says her last hep-c test was negative within a month after adding the cs. i have hep -c and was on peg it was lowering my viral load but i couldn't stand the side effects so i stopped. i wished i would have taken cs with my treatment but i hadn't heard of anyone who ever tried the two together and was afraid to experiment with it. also do a google search and key in utopia silver it's filled with hep-c testomonies. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour thank you - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo!
Re: CSNature's Treasure Silver Machine
Hi Ken, Yep, we give a 30 day money back trial but almost never get one back. Guess that says it all. Trem - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: Re: CSNature's Treasure Silver Machine If you live in the USA [or even if you don't] silverpuppy and silvergen have both the price and the technology beat hands down with constant current, constant stirring, auto off and concentration flexability that's based on something. Next in line would be wishgranted and a few others. The manufacturing process IS in our hands and you get to see what the heck you're buying inside and out with all the specs available with a 100% satisfaction gaurantee [You do that Trem?] and direct contact with the person who designed and made the thing for any support you might need.
Re: CSHepatitis C CS
A search in Google.com on ozone Sunnen hepatitis would reinforce the fact that hep can be eliminated. Personally I'd go for ozone steam saunas and even insufflations over IVs though. Also, Immunocal will keep ANY infection down to next-to-nothing. http://members.shaw.ca/widewest/HMS-90.html The CS can't hurt and will likely do some good. Increasing selenium intake to about 800 mcg or so daily alone has dropped viral load in both HIV and HepC by 87% to 94%. Don't take more than about 1100 mcg or risk poisoning. Then you'd have to take a bit o' arsenic to get out some of the selenium :( good luck... Duncan Crow I'mlooking for any info, advice, experiences, success or non stories regarding the use of CS for Hepatitis C. This would be in a case where a round of interferon has not worked. Thanks, Nancy cob...@apex2000.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy don't we call it Ionic Silver?reply
Langsley T Russell wrote: Recently I followed the thread under the subject of Buyer Beware. In it a silver substance referred to as colloidal silver was in fact between 85% and 99.7% ionic silver. I've checked a number of lab reports on commercially available colloidal silver. In every case the ionic content has been between 85 and 99% yet it is consistently referred to as colloidal silver. We wouldn't do that in talking about juice as opposed to flavored drinks. Even though the practice of referring to all of these substances as colloidal silver isn't intended to deceive, isn't this practice indeed deceptive? I know that Colloidal silver has become a sort of catch all term for liquids, gels, and ointments containing silver in virtually any form, but isn't that part of the problem we face every day in trying to help people understand what is and is not a quality colloidal silver product? I believe that what most of us make with our home generators is, generally speaking, 85% or greater ionic silver yet we continue to refer to it as colloidal silver. Why, as a community, do we seem so unwilling to refer to the substance we're talking about as ionic silver? It seams clear that in 90% or more of the cases, the substance being talked about is an ionic silver solution and not colloidal silver at all. Are we afraid that we will confuse people by using the term ionic silver? Or is it just easier to continue to do what we've been doing and not try to explain the terminology and work at reforming our habits? Or is there some other reason that we hesitate to use the term, ionic silver solution? When people ask me, How can I be sure I'm getting real colloidal silver? Or how can I tell if the CS I'm buying is what the label claims? Or how do I tell the difference between a good CS and one that is not so good? shouldn't I tell them that, chances are, you are not getting true colloidal silver no matter what you buy? Aren't we doing our cause more harm by being so careless in our terminology. If what we are making and/or selling is 85% to99% ionic silver in its make up, why don't we call it Ionic silver or ionic silver solution rather than colloidal silver, which it is not? We appear to be more particular about the terminology we use for the water we use to make this stuff than we are about what we call the end product. How can we hope to enhance our credibility when we don't even call our product by an accurate name. We all know that there are very real differences between colloidal silver and an ionic sliver solution. Wouldn't we all be better served if we consistently used the right term for the substance under discussion? If ionic silver solutions are actually responsible for most of the impressive results achieved by people using colloidal silver shouldn't we make that clear rather than crediting it to colloidal silver? LTR Yo: i don't make cs i buy it on line from utopia silver and i also read about cs production. i don't think people are being deceptive by calling their product cs per se from what i've been reading you can make cs with greater parts ionic atoms or with greater silver particle concentration.(some folks think the ionic part is the greater strength of the product some think the silver particles do the trick). in any event whoever is making cs and selling it should let you know the inoic and silver contration their product is made of. thank you - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo!
Re: CSNature's Treasure Silver Machine
Shoot, you should offer a lifetime satisfaction guarantee like I do. Luckily I've never had anybody take me up on it. (knock on wood (not bad for over 10 years in biz)). It's my firm and personal opinion that if I can't personally have 100% trust in something that I make or manufacture, then there is no way on this green earth that I can expect my customers to put that same amount of trust in me or my product. Don't get me wrong now, in terms of customer service, as I also believe that the customer is not always right, because every once in awhile, they're just plain silly, and some of them are just downright nuts! *smile* You've got a good product Trem, and you should tell the people how you feel about it, by letting them know that you yourself have 100% trust in it. I hope I will be forgiven for my slight digression into merchantism. Yours in health, James Allison - Original Message - From: Trem To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: Re: CSNature's Treasure Silver Machine Hi Ken, Yep, we give a 30 day money back trial but almost never get one back. Guess that says it all. Trem - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: Re: CSNature's Treasure Silver Machine If you live in the USA [or even if you don't] silverpuppy and silvergen have both the price and the technology beat hands down with constant current, constant stirring, auto off and concentration flexability that's based on something. Next in line would be wishgranted and a few others. The manufacturing process IS in our hands and you get to see what the heck you're buying inside and out with all the specs available with a 100% satisfaction gaurantee [You do that Trem?] and direct contact with the person who designed and made the thing for any support you might need.
Re: CSWow!
Ionic silver would be silver ions, that is charged atoms of silver.
Colloidal silver would be particles of silver atoms clumped together
that are still so small that their charge keeps them in suspension
indefinitely.
Marshall
Martha N. wrote:
What is the difference then between CS and Ionic Silver?I don't
understand the difference. Could you please explain?Thank
you,Martha
- Original Message -
From: Robb Allen
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:13 PM
Subject: CSWow!
Hi to everyone.yesterday I began a protocol of
internal H202 therapy after much reading and studying. I
decided to start with 10 drops twice a day mixed with
distilled water. My first dose was last nite at around
02:00. I noticed no sick feeling or any other ill affect.
This morning I was amazed when I woke up with about a 80%
decrease in my rheumatoid arthritis pain. I've been slowly
getting better anyway from taking large doses of silver
however I seemed to be at a very very slow progress here
lately. I got out of bed and didn't need to sit down to
wait for stiffness to leave my joints.I'm not going to
claim at this point that it was the H202but thats
the only thing I did different. About a month agoI
made another big change..since I am a computer
tech.I decided to switch to a LCD monitor.That also led
to a big change in how well I was feelingI
wouldn't be a bit surprised if my whole problem was caused
by radiation bombardment from constant pc use. I have
read alot about what monitor radiationg can do to
you.and I'm convinced that this had alot to do with my
RA. {especially since my monitors that I use are somewhat
older}Any other suggestions would be very welcome and
appreciated!!Robb
Re: CSWow!
What is the difference then between CS and Ionic Silver?
I don't understand the difference. Could you please explain?
Thank you,
Martha
- Original Message -
From: Robb Allen
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:13 PM
Subject: CSWow!
Hi to everyone.yesterday I began a protocol of internal H202 therapy
after much reading and studying. I decided to start with 10 drops twice a day
mixed with distilled water. My first dose was last nite at around 02:00. I
noticed no sick feeling or any other ill affect. This morning I was amazed
when I woke up with about a 80% decrease in my rheumatoid arthritis pain. I've
been slowly getting better anyway from taking large doses of silver however I
seemed to be at a very very slow progress here lately. I got out of bed and
didn't need to sit down to wait for stiffness to leave my joints.I'm not
going to claim at this point that it was the H202but thats the only
thing I did different.
About a month agoI made another big change..since I am a
computer tech.I decided to switch to a LCD monitor.
That also led to a big change in how well I was feelingI wouldn't
be a bit surprised if my whole problem was caused by radiation bombardment from
constant pc use. I have read alot about what monitor radiationg can do to
you.and I'm convinced that this had alot to do with my RA. {especially
since my monitors that I use are somewhat older}
Any other suggestions would be very welcome and appreciated!!
Robb
CSQuestions
I am having some challenges with a silver generator I have only used 3 times, including today. It is supposed to automatically turn off, but then you supposedly, or at least as I understand it, can plug the unit back in and thus brew a stronger batch. First of all, when I added a little of my old CS, it would only stay on for a few seconds at a time. So I ditched that idea. Got distilled water from a different source, and started over - did not add any old CS .this time the unit stayed on for about 2 hours. I cleaned the silver rods, stirred the mixture and plugged the unit in to make a more potent batch, as the directions said I could. Well, I cannot keep that thing on for more than 3 minutes at a time now. Has anyone else encountered this, and what exactly is the work-around for this challenge? I have emailed the manufacturer, but only got a response telling me to try water from a different source. I have not heard back yet on my other questions. I'm wondering if it is shutting off just because there's actually some CS in thereso how can I ever make a stronger batch then??? Jean -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Making Help
MD's reply below makes me wonder again whether a layman without lab equipment could simply and effectively obtain a pure colloid of silver by making a mostly ionic mix first, and after completion adding a very pure salt to take up the ions, which might separate from the particles. Anyone ever try this? I think a laser check would show the Tyndall effect if it worked. I have not tried yet having misplace my laser . . . Marshall Dudley wrote: Martha N. wrote: Hello,I am new to making CS, and have made my own generator out of alligator clamps, wire, and a 27 volt ac/dc plug (husband helped make it). :-)Anyway, I have read several sites that say they use spring water instead of distilled water, because spring water has everything in it, where as distilled water you need to add baking soda to get the silver started.So, I decided to use spring water to make my CS so I wouldn't have to add stuff to the water. I tested the spring water and the TDS meter shows 143 on the meter. (is this the ppm?).I also tested the CS when it was finished with the TDS meter and it showed 117 (is this the ppm?).Why would the ppm go down after making CS? Wouldn't it make sense that the number would go up and not down? No, that is exactly what I would expect, since you will be reducing the number of ions in the water. Using spring water, there is no telling what you are making. Basically the silver ions leave the anode, then if using distilled water bind together to form a silver colloid mixed with ions. If you have any salts in the water, then the ions will immediately bind with the anion of the salt, usually chlorine. So virtually ALL the silver ions will end up reacting with the chlorine of the salts. This forms silver chloride, which is almost totally insoluble, and precipitates out. So lets say that you have 143 ppm of sodium, potassium or calcium chloride in the water. That means that you have approximately 70 ppm chlorine (this is using some gross rounding off). What that means is that the first 70 ppm of silver ions you make, none will end up being a colloid, all of it will become silver chloride and precipitate out. So what you end up with eventually will be water, sodium, potassium or calcium hydroxide and silver chloride on the bottom. Once all the chlorine is used up, the colloid can start forming. If you are wanting to make 5 ppm of colloid, you will have to use up 75 ppm of your silver. I think you would be much better off starting with distilled water so when 5 ppm of silver goes into the water, it stays there as ions or particles. Your water likely contains calcium carbonate as well if the ph is over 7, or sulfuric and sulfurous acids if the ph is below 7, so the above is not exactly right, but the chemistry would still be similar. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWow!
Martha,
You might go to:
http://www.silverpuppy.com/colloidal%20silver%20and%20the%20process.html
There's some good info there on the basics.
Regards,
Paul
Martha N. wrote:What is the difference then between CS and Ionic Silver?I
don't understand the difference. Could you please explain? Thank
you,Martha - Original Message - From: Robb
Allen To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:13
PMSubject: CSWow!
Hi to everyone.yesterday I began a protocol of internal H202 therapy
after much reading and studying. I decided to start with 10 drops twice a day
mixed with distilled water. My first dose was last nite at around 02:00. I
noticed no sick feeling or any other ill affect. This morning I was amazed
when I woke up with about a 80% decrease in my rheumatoid arthritis pain. I've
been slowly getting better anyway from taking large doses of silver however I
seemed to be at a very very slow progress here lately. I got out of bed and
didn't need to sit down to wait for stiffness to leave my joints.I'm not
going to claim at this point that it was the H202but thats the only
thing I did different.About a month agoI made another big
change..since I am a computer tech.I decided to switch to a LCD
monitor.That also led to a big change in how well I was feelingI
wouldn't be a bit surprised if my whole problem was caused by radiation
bombardment from constant pc use. I have read alot about what monitor
radiationg can do to you.and I'm convinced that this had alot to do with my
RA. {especially since my monitors that I use are somewhat older}Any other
suggestions would be very welcome and appreciated!!Robb
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Re: CSChuck and PWT meter
Trem, Thanks for answering on-list. Remarks are interspersed... On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:18:03 -0700, Trem t...@silvergen.com wrote: Hi Chuck, Since you've attacked me one more time it's time to clear the air with you too. I'm tired of your sniping. It is uncalled for. The rest of this message is for the list. When someone buys a PWT meter from us we do not open and test every unit. If they are not in operating condition when received by the purchaser and they call us for service we do the following. If we cannot give them technical advice on what is wrong such as making sure the batteries are in correctly we tell them to call the factory. We do this because the factory (Hanna Instruments) has indicated that is the procedure we are to follow. The factory will then send the customer a new unit postpaid and enclose a call tag for the customer to use for return. There is no shipping cost to the customer that way. I have the distinct impression from some of Chucks posts that he expected us to make sure the meter worked properly before shipping it to him. I'll bet there isn't a reseller of someone else's products that opens each and every box, takes the item out and subjects it to a test to make sure it works before shipping. It is unreasonable to think that's the way businesses work. When an item is defective it is returned to the manufacturer, NOT the dealer where it was purchased. Most items I have ever purchased have the same instructions in the warranty.send it to the factory if there is a problem. Do not send it to the dealer. They are not equipped to do repairs. Trem, I didn't ask you to do repairs. I purchased a PWT unit from you and it arrived incomplete (the batteries were dead). I merely asked that you complete our transaction by supplying the live batteries to which I was entitled. I did the troubleshooting. This was on arrival not some time after. If I was at your place of business, I would have handed it back to you and expected an exchange on the spot, not a Take it up with the manufacturer blowoff. You protest WAY too much! No need to check each unit, blah, blah, etc... Just send me the batteries, I'll put them in. Chuck apparently has some notion that since he bought the unit from us we should do exactly what he wants rather than what the factory wants us to do. He seems to be irritated because we either didn't send him a new one or have him return it to us or who knows what because after he initially called and was told to call Hanna for a replacement we never heard from him again. But he has certainly let the list know of his displeasure. He didn't say a word to me about his displeasure at the time. Uhhh, The header of my email to you was Disappointed But displeasure was not the intent. I simply gave you the fact that the batteries were inoperative and that replacement (of the batteries) was expected to complete our transaction. Never expected or implied that a new unit should be involved. Now you're trying to drag a red herring across the trail. I merely requested working batteries. The case of Hanna meters not working when received is a very rare one. I know that, I have other Hanna devices. They all work. It becomes curious why you object to simply sending a customer batteries (cheap) rather than risk your reputation about customer service/satisfaction. If you had, there would have been no incident and I would have been recommending you as an upright dealer. I cannot in conscience do that now, can I? In fact when you post to fluff your business, I admit that it kinda pushes my buttons and I feel that I need to express my opinion based on our experience. I probably need to work on that. OTOH, newbies to this forum often ask who to deal with, so my opinion helps to steer them according to MY experiences. Milage may vary per individual. Other than Chuck I can only think of person that had a problem where the unit had to be returned to the factory. If there is someone I missed, excuse me for not remembering you. This is not an ongoing problem.but apparently the wrong person (Chuck) got a defective unit. I'm not even sure it was defective since I never heard from the factory. I replaced them myself. It's really a non-thing. Although, I see you are now trying to question that there WAS a problem at all. Are you in denial? Enough said. hopefully Chuck will back off. He shows his narrow attitude by his irresponsible words toward us. Trem Errr, the transaction is still incomplete... You still owe me a set of good batteries. Chuck Don't destroy the world in the first chapter--you'll find you need it later. - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: Re: CSBuyer Beware James, you're right of course but I don't think that was the issue. I think the issue was truth in advertising, and fair
Re: CSNature's Treasure Silver Machine
Ken, Thank you, thank you! A couple hours ago in the archives I came upon a post with a link to your websitethis just what I've been looking for, and it's stateside! The Silver Machine SOUNDED as if it was on par with the SG6, ( unfortunately, out of my budget at this time) but it had no detail to back it up. I could not decide if this was a poor presentation, or a poor product. BTW, the price is $166.00AUD, which converts to approx. $91.00USD. Before I posted to the list I emailed Nature's Treasure with some similar questions, but have not recieved a response yet. Of course, my emails lacked the technical depth of your critique of the info on the site, but I got the giste of the inadequate info. I will reserve final opinion as I'm still waiting for a reply. I will also check out wishgranted.com. Thanks again, I really needed some pointers in this direction. Blessings and Light, Jannette From: Ode Coyote If you live in the USA [or even if you don't] silverpuppy and silvergen have both the price and the technology beat hands down with constant current, constant stirring, auto off and concentration flexability that's based on something. Next in line would be wishgranted and a few others. thing for any support you might need. This site tells you nothing much and doesn't even have a visual of the product. Like, what is it?? $166 for what? I'd want to know. Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSIons vs. Particles
I found the following article and wondered if some of you techies would respond to it. Thanks, Paul Basically, there are two silver components in colloidal silver products which give them their antibiotic properties, silver particles and silver ions. Silver ions are silver atoms which have an electron missing in the outer shell. They are the smallest possible form of silver, about .28 nanometers. Silver particles are metallic silver consisting of clusters of silver atoms. They can range in size from less than a nanometer up to 1000 nanometers (1 micron). Silver ions will combine with chloride ions readily where they are present. The human stomach contains a strong solution of hydrochloric acid. Silver chloride forms immediately in the stomach when silver ions enter it. Though silver chloride is harmless and in fact not even soluble in the body, it also has no germ killing power. The same thing happens to silver ions in the bloodstream by virtue of the high chloride content due to the presence of sodium and potassium chloride. Silver ions, therefore are of little value inside the body as they are quickly combined with the available chloride ions to form silver chloride. One researcher, a Dr. Meade, has estimated the half-life of a silver ion inside the human body as 7.8 seconds. The only component of colloidal silver products which survives to work inside the body, therefore, is silver particles. This discovery is what has compelled us to strive for the greatest quantity of particulate silver possible in our product. - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo!
Re: CSIons vs. Particles
Regarding the following, which I believe is from the MesoSilver site, I have asked one list member responsible for that site for postings of the research by Dr. Meade, or at least references to the publications, but have not gotten a reply yet, I think. It would be very helpful to be able to go to Meade's research if there is strong evidence to support the claim that silver ions are not effective. If I have overlooked the references for Meade's work, I hope someone will educate me here. NB the claims about the uselessness of silver choloride are contradicted by a recent list posting about silver chloride and animal wounds. If that referenced article is correct about the strong antiseptic properties of silver chloride applied to wounds, than the claims below are at least an oversimplification. The words no germ-killing power seem meaningless if in fact silver chloride works well in wounds. JBB JBB Paul Ladendorf wrote: I found the following article and wondered if some of you techies would respond to it. Thanks, Paul Basically, there are two silver components in colloidal silver products which give them their antibiotic properties, silver particles and silver ions. Silver ions are silver atoms which have an electron missing in the outer shell. They are the smallest possible form of silver, about .28 nanometers. Silver particles are metallic silver consisting of clusters of silver atoms. They can range in size from less than a nanometer up to 1000 nanometers (1 micron). Silver ions will combine with chloride ions readily where they are present. The human stomach contains a strong solution of hydrochloric acid. Silver chloride forms immediately in the stomach when silver ions enter it. Though silver chloride is harmless and in fact not even soluble in the body, it also has no germ killing power. The same thing happens to silver ions in the bloodstream by virtue of the high chloride content due to the presence of sodium and potassium chloride. Silver ions, therefore are of little value inside the body as they are quickly combined with the available chloride ions to form silver chloride. One researcher, a Dr. Meade, has estimated the half-life of a silver ion inside the human body as 7.8 seconds. The only component of colloidal silver products which survives to work inside the body, therefore, is silver particles. This discovery is what has compelled us to strive for the greatest quantity of particulate silver possible in our product. -- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
