RE: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold

2002-11-27 Thread Ivan Anderson
 Hi Andy,
Some might say that the white powder gold is the philosophers stone. Many
powers are attributed to it and its sister elements. The Hermetic treaties
are generally written in a type of code unfortunately, which makes it hard
to take them at face value.

It is said that the ancient Egyptians knew the secret, and the furnaces on
the mount where the bread of life was baked, as found in the bible, were
involved in synthesising the powder.

I have heard it said that distilling colloidal silver causes the ORMUS
silver element to pass with the distillate.

Heady stuff, and something I would like to devote a little time to, if ever
I have a spare moment.

Regards
Ivan


Hi Ivan,

Are the byproducts of the Philosopher's Stone what you were referring to?

snip the white powder which transmutes the white metals to fine silver;
the red elixir with which gold is made; the white elixir which also makes
silver, and which procures long life-it is also called the 'white daughter
of the philosophers'. 

Treaties on Philosophical and Hermetic Chemistry
Paris - 1725

The above publication has detailed instructions for making The Elixir of
Life. The earliest reference I have found is from Zosimus at the beginning
of the fifth century but unfortunately, I don't have that transcript. I
think that one would cost the long buck. (^_^)

Best wishes,
Andy


RE: CSThe essence of bioluminescense

2002-11-27 Thread Ivan Anderson
Glenn,

There are quite a few molecules (drugs) that are attracted to cancer
sites and can be activated by light to form compounds toxic to cancer
cells. Some of these would be toxic in their active forms to normal
tissue also, but because of the selective manner in which they are
activated (intense light of various wavelengths) can be used without
harm to normal tissue.

I have not heard of Hypericum having this dimension but that sounds
quite exciting. Do you know what wavelength of light is required?

Thanks,
Ivan

 -Original Message-
 From: lighthawk1 [mailto:lightha...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2002 5:36 p.m.
 To: silver-list
 Subject: CSThe essence of bioluminescense


 Can anyone here shed some light on any of the theraputic
 techniques that use
 light for virus treatment (or bacteria,cancer, etc)?  Do
 any of these
 techniques respond synergistically or compliment CS treatment?

 Actually, my interest is a bit more off topic as it relates
 to the active
 constituents of St. John's Wort in pursuit of  an effective
 protocol using
 CS, St.John's Wort and light.

 I am now, thanks in large part to this group, making a very
 good quality CS.
 I have also harvested a quantity of St. John's Wort from
 the pristine
 heights of the Cascade Mts. where it grows out of rocks and
 is considered a
 noxious weed - displacing with its vigour - the native
 species.  This
 points to a synergetic rebalancing of ecologies, from the
 mountain system to
 our internal system. (sounding a bit too spacey here, but
 the thought might
 provoke some interesting response and, true confessions, I
 am serious and do
 enjoy the broader speculation).

 A reading of a MedLine search indicates there are various
 and interrelated
 aspects to Hypericum that are fascinating.  I have also seen some
 discussions in the archive relating to various light
 therapy.  I would like
 to investigate light related techniques myself and so would
 appreciate input
 here - or elsewhere if too off-topic.
 I have read some summaries/abstracts that investigate the
 activation of
 immune response with light on Hypericum perforatum Linn
 (St. John's Wort).
 These immune responses seem to operate without light, but
 are much more
 active with  the light response.  St. John's Wort (SJW) is
 accepted as
 having antidepressant activity.  It is also known to have
 an effect on the
 liver, increasing enzyme activity and the rate of certain metabolic
 reactions.
 In a related manner it has been investigated for use in
 cancer treatment
 because it is a photodynamic agent, one aspect being a
 photosensitizing
 agent, taken up and retained by tumor cells.  When combined with the
 wavelength matching the absorbtion spectrum of the drug
 (hypericin), in the
 presence of oxygen, cytotoxic products result that cause
 irreversible
 cellular damage and tumor destruction.

 Or so says the abstacts.  I am getting a bit fuzzy here in
 my understanding
 of the biomedtech terms, but it seems within reach to ask,
 what are the
 possibilities for using accessible photodynamic therapies (PDT) in
 conjunction with SJW? Has anyone here joined these
 modalities in thought or
 practice? I have scanned the archives so I know there is
 some interest in
 light therapy, and would greatly appreciate any pearls from
 luminaries
 within.

 It would seem to coincide with the benefits of CS.

 So, how would one make a photodynamic tool that will enable
 an experimental
 reaction with hypericum in vivo?

 Glenn



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CSA reminder...

2002-11-27 Thread M. G. Devour
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CSRe: CS kidney stones

2002-11-27 Thread Kevin Glenda
I have heard that magnesium works to pull the calcium away from the
kidneys to which the uric acid is bound to.  I do not know if CS has any
bearing.



  Linda K. Bauer wrote:

 Vitamin C.

 See:  http://www.doctoryourself.com/vitamin_disease.html

   - Original Message -
   From: Stephen Summers
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:49 AM
   Subject: CSRe: CS  kidney stones

   Dear members

   A friend of ours was wondering whether CS would have any effect
on kidney stones. Have not seen any case histories or testimonials on
this.

   If so, what is the best method for getting to the site and do you
know of any other complimentary natural protocols that could be used for
this condition?

   Many thanks

   Steve


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Re: CSSeaSilver FDA

2002-11-27 Thread Russ Rosser
At the very bottom of this url., which appears to be an official FDA
webpage, it says: Web page created by god 7/12/02 !!

Note the lower case g.  WHAT THE *HELL* IS UP ??!?!

--Russ

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: CSSeaSilver  FDA


 http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g3383d.htm
 jr



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Re: CSSeaSilver FDA

2002-11-27 Thread Trem
Another thing wrong is the date.  The letter was sent on April 3, 2002 but
the website was designed on July 12, 2002.  I guess god does indeed work in
mysterious ways.

Trem

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From: C Creel ccr...@eagle1st.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: CSSeaSilver  FDA


 Dear Russ,


   At the very bottom of this url., which appears to be an official FDA
 webpage, it says: Web page created by god 7/12/02 !!

 Note the lower case g.  WHAT THE *HELL* IS UP ??!?!


 http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g3383d.htm

  is definitely an official FDA address.   Hmmm...a government
 employee who has retained a sense of humor?!

 Regards,
 Catherine


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Re: CSSeaSilver FDA

2002-11-27 Thread Trem
Catherine.it says Web page created by god 7/12/02, not updated by god
on 7/12/02.

Trem
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From: C Creel ccr...@eagle1st.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: CSSeaSilver  FDA


 Another thing wrong is the date.  The letter was sent on April 3, 2002
but
 the website was designed on July 12, 2002.  I guess god does indeed work
in
 mysterious ways.


   Not quite.  That date means that page was last updated on July 12.

 Catherine


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Re: CSSeaSilver FDA

2002-11-27 Thread Trem
he, he, he.  Told you, god worked mysteriously.

Trem

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From: C Creel ccr...@eagle1st.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: CSSeaSilver  FDA


 Catherine.it says Web page created by god 7/12/02, not updated by
 god
 on 7/12/02.


   Well I'll be darned.  I suppose that means they never posted the letter
to
 SeaSilver
 until 3 months later.  Government efficiency :-)

  Catherine


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Re: CSSeaSilver FDA

2002-11-27 Thread Rich Adams
Garfield O. Daley (god)
http://www.fda.gov/oc/opacom/htmlers.html




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RE: CSThe essence of bioluminescense

2002-11-27 Thread edkas...@pacbell
Glenn I have some papers on producing an extract of SJW and the fellow that
wrote it had the same idea as the singlet oxygen theory thing. There are
also some folks in Norway that are using singlet O2 successfully so I'm told
they sent me some papers too. There are tons of papers on lasers theory  as
well. All these seem (in my mind) to go off on their own but I feel they are
all very much related.

ed kasper, santa cruz ca

-Original Message-
From: lighthawk1 [mailto:lightha...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:36 PM
To: silver-list
Subject: CSThe essence of bioluminescense


Can anyone here shed some light on any of the theraputic techniques that use
light for virus treatment (or bacteria,cancer, etc)?  Do any of these
techniques respond synergistically or compliment CS treatment?

Actually, my interest is a bit more off topic as it relates to the active
constituents of St. John's Wort in pursuit of  an effective protocol using
CS, St.John's Wort and light.

I am now, thanks in large part to this group, making a very good quality CS.
I have also harvested a quantity of St. John's Wort from the pristine
heights of the Cascade Mts. where it grows out of rocks and is considered a
noxious weed - displacing with its vigour - the native species.  This
points to a synergetic rebalancing of ecologies, from the mountain system to
our internal system. (sounding a bit too spacey here, but the thought might
provoke some interesting response and, true confessions, I am serious and do
enjoy the broader speculation).

A reading of a MedLine search indicates there are various and interrelated
aspects to Hypericum that are fascinating.  I have also seen some
discussions in the archive relating to various light therapy.  I would like
to investigate light related techniques myself and so would appreciate input
here - or elsewhere if too off-topic.
I have read some summaries/abstracts that investigate the activation of
immune response with light on Hypericum perforatum Linn (St. John's Wort).
These immune responses seem to operate without light, but are much more
active with  the light response.  St. John's Wort (SJW) is accepted as
having antidepressant activity.  It is also known to have an effect on the
liver, increasing enzyme activity and the rate of certain metabolic
reactions.
In a related manner it has been investigated for use in cancer treatment
because it is a photodynamic agent, one aspect being a photosensitizing
agent, taken up and retained by tumor cells.  When combined with the
wavelength matching the absorbtion spectrum of the drug (hypericin), in the
presence of oxygen, cytotoxic products result that cause irreversible
cellular damage and tumor destruction.

Or so says the abstacts.  I am getting a bit fuzzy here in my understanding
of the biomedtech terms, but it seems within reach to ask, what are the
possibilities for using accessible photodynamic therapies (PDT) in
conjunction with SJW? Has anyone here joined these modalities in thought or
practice? I have scanned the archives so I know there is some interest in
light therapy, and would greatly appreciate any pearls from luminaries
within.

It would seem to coincide with the benefits of CS.

So, how would one make a photodynamic tool that will enable an experimental
reaction with hypericum in vivo?

Glenn


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Re: CSSeaSilver FDA

2002-11-27 Thread C Creel
Dear Russ,


  At the very bottom of this url., which appears to be an official FDA
webpage, it says: Web page created by god 7/12/02 !!

Note the lower case g.  WHAT THE *HELL* IS UP ??!?!


http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g3383d.htm

 is definitely an official FDA address.   Hmmm...a government
employee who has retained a sense of humor?!

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CSSeaSilver FDA

2002-11-27 Thread C Creel
Another thing wrong is the date.  The letter was sent on April 3, 2002 but
the website was designed on July 12, 2002.  I guess god does indeed work in
mysterious ways.


  Not quite.  That date means that page was last updated on July 12.

Catherine


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Re: CSSeaSilver FDA

2002-11-27 Thread C Creel
Catherine.it says Web page created by god 7/12/02, not updated by
god
on 7/12/02.


  Well I'll be darned.  I suppose that means they never posted the letter to
SeaSilver
until 3 months later.  Government efficiency :-)

 Catherine


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Re: CSA reminder...

2002-11-27 Thread Tel Tofflemire
Its been a little dead on the list RE: CS , but I attribute it to the time
of year.  I like to read the CS chatter.
But I like not getting too many e-mail when I am gone for a while.
Tel
Dewey, AZ

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 Please chime in and let us know what questions you have!

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 they're interested in at the moment. Questions about other things can
 be answered only if they're asked.

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 Colloidal Silver may, of course, be discussed at length. Answers *not*
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Re: CSCS and my cold

2002-11-27 Thread Tel Tofflemire
When I first get a cold or are just exposed to one,
1.  I put a mix of 50/50 CS and H202 Hyd. Prox. Brown bottle 39 cent
kind, in each ear one at a time leave it until it stops making noise. I
Do each ear.  It will do two things ,  Kill the new cold, and clean your
ears.
2.  I Drink (swish a long time in mouth) swallow MY CS.  I hope it is
good CS ? Even 5 PPM is good. Mine is around 15 PPM.
I am not a DR. so I just told you what I do, your free to experiment.
But I have not had a cold or any ills for a number of years.
Tel
Dewey, AZ

mary lee gladieux wrote:

 Hi Silver List, I had been drinking 16 oz CS p/d for one month but
 then got a cold.  It didn't develope into a full blown sloppy cold but
 every day for a week I fought it by spraying my nose with CS to keep
 the symptoms at a minimum.  Isn't there somethingwrong with this
 picture?? Mary Lee


CSMy CS test results

2002-11-27 Thread Robb Allen
Hello, 

   From the time I first started making my own CS I have occassionally had 
it tested at our local college.  {atomic level tests}  My latest tests that I 
had them do was to see if indeed whether or not H202 mixed at 1 drop for every 
2 ounces did actually decrease the partical size.  I had three tests done:
1. First a test on 1 gallon of my CS unaltered.
2. A test on a second gallon  of my CS after adding 64 drops of H202 [I ordered 
this test to be done within 30 minutes of adding the H202]
3. A test on a third gallon of my CS after adding 64 drops of H202 after 
waiting for at least 24 hours. 


I have not received yet the paper showing partical sizes..but I did talk to 
them on the phone. First of all my CS unaltered was 75% ionic and measured 18 
ppm.
Tests 2 and 3 were dramatically differentnumber 2 was 88% ionic and 3 
was 100%.  This actually proves what I had suspected: that the reaction 
actually takes much longer to complete than what I had originally been told.  I 
suspected this for 2 reasons...first..the older my CS got after adding 
H202 it had less of a tyndall effectand second.the older it 
gets after adding H202 the stronger it tastes.  
I have some mixed H202/CS that is more than 2 weeks old and it hasn't 
precipitated or shown any other signs of going badanybody who doubts 
the advantage of adding H202 should have their own tests done.  I'll post all 
of the numbers when I get them in the mail.  Robb


CSrepeat question: perforated eardrum

2002-11-27 Thread Connie
I am hopeful others will have informed opinion on whether there would be
increased risk of direct contact to the brain, in using CS with or without
DMSO in an ear with a perforated eardrum.
Two cases recently have been presented to the animal list, one in a dog, the
other a rabbit, both with long standing pseudomonas infections with long
term antibiotic use being unsuccessful in resolving the infections.

One is working with a vet open to the use of CS, but his concern is neruo
damage with the CS use.

Connie


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CSCS and my cold

2002-11-27 Thread mary lee gladieux
Hi Silver List,

I had been drinking 16 oz CS p/d for one month but then got a cold.  It didn't 
develope into a full blown sloppy cold but every day for a week I fought it by 
spraying my nose with CS to keep the symptoms at a minimum.  Isn't there 
somethingwrong with this picture??

Mary Lee


RE: CSMy CS test results

2002-11-27 Thread Ivan Anderson
Thanks Rob, good work.

The addition of H2O2 ionises any particulate silver and any Tyndal
effect found in the 100% ionic batch needs further investigation, as
discrete ions should not scatter the light beam.

Ivan.

-Original Message-
From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube2...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2002 11:59 a.m.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSMy CS test results


Hello,

   From the time I first started making my own CS I have
occassionally had it tested at our local college.  {atomic level
tests}  My latest tests that I had them do was to see if indeed
whether or not H202 mixed at 1 drop for every 2 ounces did actually
decrease the partical size.  I had three tests done:
1. First a test on 1 gallon of my CS unaltered.
2. A test on a second gallon  of my CS after adding 64 drops of H202
[I ordered this test to be done within 30 minutes of adding the H202]
3. A test on a third gallon of my CS after adding 64 drops of H202
after waiting for at least 24 hours.


I have not received yet the paper showing partical sizes..but I
did talk to them on the phone. First of all my CS unaltered was 75%
ionic and measured 18 ppm.
Tests 2 and 3 were dramatically differentnumber 2 was 88%
ionic and 3 was 100%.  This actually proves what I had suspected: that
the reaction actually takes much longer to complete than what I had
originally been told.  I suspected this for 2
reasons...first..the older my CS got after adding H202 it had
less of a tyndall effectand second.the older it gets
after adding H202 the stronger it tastes.
I have some mixed H202/CS that is more than 2 weeks old and it hasn't
precipitated or shown any other signs of going badanybody
who doubts the advantage of adding H202 should have their own tests
done.  I'll post all of the numbers when I get them in the mail.  Robb


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Re: CSCS and my cold

2002-11-27 Thread apeahen
When I get a cold in the nose, it has a specially lovely place to breed, and 
drinking CS may not reach it well.
I use 10 ppm CS in a nose dropper, and snuffle in about 5 drops per nostril 
every 15 minutes.  Usually the cold is gone in 2 hours of such application.  
The timing is crucial.  Any less often and I find the virus has a chance to get 
a footing(sic) again.
Judy Down Maine
 
 mary lee gladieux wrote:
 
  Hi Silver List, I had been drinking 16 oz CS p/d for one month but
  then got a cold.  It didn't develope into a full blown sloppy cold but
  every day for a week I fought it by spraying my nose with CS to keep
  the symptoms at a minimum.  Isn't there somethingwrong with this
  picture?? Mary Lee
 


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CSaddendum to CS and my cold

2002-11-27 Thread mary lee gladieux
Thanks for the hints on how to stop a cold but I didn't expect to even get one 
since I'm drinking CS every day.  Is this a wrong assumption?

Mary Lee


CSORMUS and stills

2002-11-27 Thread AScottSilver
Hi Ivan,
I think you could spend more than a lifetime on the subject. Anyway, you 
mentioned ORMUS. Do you know if the stuff really exists? It sounds good in 
theory.

Also, have you distilled CS and taken readings? I've often wondered if the 
silver would stay in the vat, precipitate out or both.

Thanks
Andy

 
 From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold
 
 Hi Andy,
 Some might say that the white powder gold is the philosophers stone. Many
 powers are attributed to it and its sister elements. The Hermetic treaties
 are generally written in a type of code unfortunately, which makes it hard
 to take them at face value.
 
 It is said that the ancient Egyptians knew the secret, and the furnaces on
 the mount where the bread of life was baked, as found in the bible, were
 involved in synthesising the powder.
 
 I have heard it said that distilling colloidal silver causes the ORMUS
 silver element to pass with the distillate.
 
 Heady stuff, and something I would like to devote a little time to, if ever
 I have a spare moment.
 
 Regards
 Ivan
 



CSgod not G.simple//real truth is it is not God //but the devil hisself for real

2002-11-27 Thread PETER MOORE
  


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CSBetr.: Re: CSCS and my cold

2002-11-27 Thread Jef Ackermans
Hello Tel Dewey,
What is the strenght of this H2O2?
Jef

 telt...@cableone.net 27-11-02 23:50 
When I first get a cold or are just exposed to one,
1.  I put a mix of 50/50 CS and H202 Hyd. Prox. Brown bottle 39 cent
kind, in each ear one at a time leave it until it stops making noise. I
Do each ear.  It will do two things ,  Kill the new cold, and clean your
ears.
2.  I Drink (swish a long time in mouth) swallow MY CS.  I hope it is
good CS ? Even 5 PPM is good. Mine is around 15 PPM.
I am not a DR. so I just told you what I do, your free to experiment.
But I have not had a cold or any ills for a number of years.
Tel
Dewey, AZ

mary lee gladieux wrote:

 Hi Silver List, I had been drinking 16 oz CS p/d for one month but
 then got a cold.  It didn't develope into a full blown sloppy cold but
 every day for a week I fought it by spraying my nose with CS to keep
 the symptoms at a minimum.  Isn't there somethingwrong with this
 picture?? Mary Lee


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Re: CSrepeat question: perforated eardrum

2002-11-27 Thread Duncan Crow

This (ANY infection) will be alleviated by increasing glutathione levels 
in pets and animals with a cold processed whey like Immunocal or HMS-90. 
NAC will also work but you need to administer it several times a day.

Selenium is also required to make the glutathione.

regards,

Duncan Crow

 I am hopeful others will have informed opinion on whether there would be
 increased risk of direct contact to the brain, in using CS with or without
 DMSO in an ear with a perforated eardrum. Two cases recently have been
 presented to the animal list, one in a dog, the other a rabbit, both with
 long standing pseudomonas infections with long term antibiotic use being
 unsuccessful in resolving the infections.
 
 One is working with a vet open to the use of CS, but his concern is neruo
 damage with the CS use.
 
 Connie
 
 
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