Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
The information below is very interesting indeed. However, I can not help but wonder whether the apparently higher efficacy of the new-method CS was in fact merely coincidental, a result of the new CS being taken at a time when the virus was vulnerable, and further at a time following the use of ordinary CS which had rendered the virus much weaker. From the information provided, it seems difficult to exclude this possibility. If there is a way to exclude this interpretation, it would be good to know. JBB Mike Monett wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60357.html Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: C Creel Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:32:04 Dear Mike, [...] I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity to present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my thoughts were running along the lines of nebulizing. Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most patients are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about the latter because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy with this. Thanks for your input, Mike. Regards, Catherine Perhaps this may help give some more documentation that is needed. I was in a severe mold environment that compromised my immune system. Previous to this, I never had reason to visit doctors, was never hospitalized, and any injury healed very quickly. It took a long time to realize the effects the mold was having on my body. By then it was too late. One of the effects is I got Shingles. Shingles is due to the chickenpox virus eveyone has as a child. Medicine has no cure against it. The remedies that are recommended have serious side effects. About 20 percent of the population of my age gets Shingles, but it is unheard of in my family. I am the only one to have experienced it. I started taking cs as soon as I found what it was. I posted a detailed report (warning - unpleasant photos) http://www.geocities.com/mrmonett/shingles/0shin.htm (Since then, Yahoo bought Geocities and my password no longer works. I cannot update that page.) The cs that I made was effective against the Shingles. But it came back. This is not unusual, especially when the immune system is compromised. The cs that I made according to the specifications on my web page no longer had any effect. I increased the dosage by increasing the brew time to 1 hr, then to 1.5 hr. The Shingles remained. The scabs would not go away, and the infection sites were very painful. In conjunction with another project, I tried three different methods of stirring. My motivation was to reduce the need for constantly cleaning the electrodes and the the glass that held the cs. To my surprise, the Shingles got worse. The scabs started bleeding, which never happened before, and the cavities in my teeth hurt much sooner. This cs lasted only several hours before another dose was needed. A friend who moved in with me around the same time reported the same result on her cavities. Stirring did not work for her either, so I abandoned stirring. However, her family lives in Moldavia. She knew what cs could do, and she wanted to send a cs generator to her brother. The 160VDC system described on my web page would not be suitable. I started looking for a simple low voltage system, perhaps running off a single 9V battery. If it could be made to work, there are many ways to get power. A 12V car battery would work, a standard Wallwart power supply, or even used 1.5V alkalines from a boombox. I posted my goals to the list, then started working on the problem on a Thursday. The challenge was to figure out how to get enough Coulombs transferred from a low voltage supply in a reasonable time. The solution was to increase the wetted area by folding the 12 ga wire into a W, then finding the series resistance needed to approximate a constant current source. I can show the equations and derivations needed in a separate post, but it is not important to this topic. I made a great deal of black and gray sludge that weekend. By Monday, I finally figured out what was happening with the mist and the invisible ion cloud. My interpretation of the ion cloud density is posted in other ULVDC threads. But the astonishing thing was the first trial of the new cs. I am sceptical of anything new, and did not gulp it down as I normally do. The first test was only a mouthfull on that Monday. The following Wednesday, the Shingles scabs fell off. I have reported this in other ULVDC posts. I cannot tell you how surprised I was. Now, the
Re: CSDust Mites
I doubt it, but sunshine knocks them for a loop. At 11:02 PM 7/8/03 -0400, you wrote: Dear Brilliant Ones- Here's one for ya: What would happen if I sprayed my mattress with CS? Would it kill the dust mites? Gladys --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03
RE: CSFTC seizes Seasilver
Probably get their wrist slapped (or torn off) by the liquor lobby if they did! At 03:22 PM 6/17/03 -0600, you wrote: So should they bust Schwepps? JOH -Original Message- From: C Creel [mailto:ccr...@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:30 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFTC seizes Seasilver The product must work pretty good. Curious that there is no mention of a dissatisfied customer. I can provide that. I switched to it myself and switched 25 clients who volunteeres to test it. They were up to 4 oz. daily and not feeling like they were getting what one oz. of what I had them taking does for them. We did this for 3 months. Honestly, I think it's a really crappy product that tastes good over ice with a twist of lime g. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03
RE: CSFTC seizes Seasilver
Probably a suspected link to a terrorist organism. At 02:19 PM 6/17/03 -0600, you wrote: Why is the case sealed? The purpose of the raid was to secure the company files under a sealed court order that was granted when the FTC's suit was filed, said FTC spokeswoman Erica Wodinsky in a telephone interview from her office in San Francisco. The suit itself also remains under seal, Wodinsky said. 30 lawyers and investigators from FTC headquarters in Washington, D.C., and from the FTC office in San Francisco. Slam! The product must work pretty good. Curious that there is no mention of a dissatisfied customer. I feel safer already. JOH -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSFTC seizes Seasilver 6/17/03 Government seizes Carlsbad company EDMOND JACOBY The federal government seized the offices of a Carlsbad company Monday in connection with a lawsuit brought against the firm by the Federal Trade Commission. The suit, filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Nevada, alleges that the company makes false and unsubstantiated claims when advertising its product, a dietary supplement advertised on the Internet as a wonder cure for almost any condition... http://www.nctimes.net/news/2003/20030617/61054.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
C Creel wrote: I think you need to be talking to the people who are on the frontlines of this ...Nebulizing is how they feel a number of health care practitioners ended up with SARS. When there is the will and desire, there is always a way. This is an open-minded forum for health-care. Those in the frontlines battling SARS are welcome to share and to learn. It is open University with all of us students of Ageless Wisdom. With regards Lew - Original Message - DATE: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:35:39 From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: JR wrote: Are you suggesting nebulizing for SARS or not? FH Lew responded: The anwser is YES.However, it must be remembered that Experimental Research in NO has shown that one-third are non-responders. , Lew. Nebulizing is how they feel a number of health care practitioners ended up with SARS. This information is from an interdisciplinary group all of whom have been working directly with SARS patients. Any one of us can sit here and speculate but until we've dealt with it as they have, I have to defer to them on the issue of transmission. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005
CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver
Tonight's local TV news also mentioned healing cancer was part of some salespersons' pitches. Additionally, ...While [employee] Brown, who takes the supplement, was stunned at the news, she did recall some peculiar behavior from the company last week, when they were asked to hand in their product handbooks. They're like, nobody can keep them. They were going to destroy them, she said. The FTC said agents visited the company Monday to preserve evidence. As for the product itself, the FTC said there is no immediate health risk... http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/health/2274872/detail.html (+ link to video clip) jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSevaporated CS experiment
Hi, all I wrote: I used about a pint of CS with a reading of 5.8 µS and with a barely perceptible TE. OOPS! That was 6.8 µS . ( No new metal created here! ) :) Al -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFTC seizes Seasilver
So should they bust Schwepps? Schwepps doesn't represent itself as a health enhancer ; if it did, then yes, they should :-) Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnts, was Re: CSMosquito tip
on 6/17/03 11:17 AM, sol at pcar...@wyoming.com wrote: I do not have ants. All I wish to do is to prevent from having termites without having to resort to the poisons. We live in west. wash. state and have plenty of rain. We lived in eastern wash. which is dry desert had no problems with any bug. The best way to keep your home from having termites is to leave ant nests alone. Ants and termites do NOT like to share space as ants are predators on the termites. So if you got plenty of ants around, you won't get termites. Best of all, this solution is 100% natural and completely free. Sorry for contributing to off-topic list load, but I couldn't resist... paula -- Dinsdale and Julius Groucho, Bailey and Thumper (bunnies); Spati and Ripi (cats) mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com http://community.webshots.com/user/polcarter - Original Message - From: Jay Ice guess...@msn.com Powdered sugar and boric acid will rid you of termites. Ice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMosquito tip
on 6/17/03 10:39 AM, Jay Ice at guess...@msn.com wrote: thank you. But how does one apply it? I do not have termites but rather it will be used as a preventative. Powdered sugar and boric acid will rid you of termites. Ice on 6/16/03 2:17 PM, jrowl...@nctimes.net at jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote: Would this work for termites also Mary -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Dear Lew, I said: I think you need to be talking to the people who are on the frontlines of this ...Nebulizing is how they feel a number of health care practitioners ended up with SARS. You replied: When there is the will and desire, there is always a way. This is an open-minded forum for health-care. Those in the frontlines battling SARS are welcome to share and to learn. It is open University with all of us students of Ageless Wisdom. ** I think you know I have a great deal of respect for your work. I've mentioned this more than once on another list to which we both belong. But I think if you are to make a suggestion like NO and insist it CAN be done, the onus of responsibility is on you to explain how given what we already know about how nebulizing patients with SARS infected those who were treating the patients. I've spent a little more than 2 months in daily contact with SARS Task Force consisting of people who have tried many different things while treating SARS. The testing ground for these things were two hospitals - one in Beijing and the other in Hong Kong. Their experiences are valuable. When they, who are working every day with patients formally diagnosed as having SARS, and you have a hypothesis you've never really gotten to test in a formally diagnosed SARS case, it's not difficult for me to decide who has the more complete information. I've never been one to accept the status quo, but there is something to be said about learning from others' mistakes. Most people who help others heal are very sincere and caring. The Universe supports these people as best as it can. But sometimes there are hard, cold facts we wish weren't there that require some thinking outside of the box to get around them. For example, so many things work in vitro that don't work in vivo. Right now, NIH scientists find that licorice is disbling the SARS virus. The chances it will do this in vivo are quite slim. But wouldn't it be grand if it did? It would be grand if NO worked. In theory it should. It even stands a good chance in practice - but only if we can create another delivery system that won't risk the lives of others. I'd be glad to introduce your idea to the SARS Task Force if you can come up with an idea for a safe way of administering it. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Sealilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally
Good point Catherine. You are right there. On the other hand, diet soft drinks often contain Aspartame, a truly deadly neurotoxin, and the FDA does nothing. Millions of people are seriously harmed by it. If the people choose to empower an entity to review and report on products, with an impartial and clearly defined set of criteria for the evaluation, that is a good thing. The product is said to meet or not comply with a standard. If a legitimately empowered government entity's agents think the people are being harmed by a product, then it should publish the reasons for all to see and place the product on a highly visible and accessible list said to not meet the agreed-upon criteria. Make it mandatory that the vendor place in the sales literature and in manufacturing and sales locations a highly visible notice to that effect. If a producer lies, with the above information being available, then let the harmed party(s) bring an action against the liar, or stop buying the product. The action would fail because the buyer had been warned, screwing the predatory Attorneys as a good side effect. If a producer is demonstrated, or apparently demonstrated, to be making a harmful or ineffectual product, and some people choose to buy and use that product ---for whatever reason---after being noticed, that is the right of both the producer and the consumer. Consider the fluorides in our food, grooming, cleaning products and medicines. Completely approved; yet well demonstrated to be hideously toxic and; and most people gobble them up thinking they are beneficial. We have no right to choose and coerce for another what they believe to be beneficial or harmful. JOH -Original Message- From: C Creel [mailto:ccr...@adelphia.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:34 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFTC seizes Seasilver So should they bust Schwepps? Schwepps doesn't represent itself as a health enhancer ; if it did, then yes, they should :-) Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Sealilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally
JOH, Right on. With all the evidence on tobacco why weren't the tobacco companies treated the same way. They are allowed to pay damages and raise their prices to get it back. Knowing that their addict customers will still be there. I'm not an advocate of Seasilver. I just believe in equal treatment. Bob Smith - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: CSRe: Sealilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally Good point Catherine. You are right there. On the other hand, diet soft drinks often contain Aspartame, a truly deadly neurotoxin, and the FDA does nothing. Millions of people are seriously harmed by it. If the people choose to empower an entity to review and report on products, with an impartial and clearly defined set of criteria for the evaluation, that is a good thing. The product is said to meet or not comply with a standard. If a legitimately empowered government entity's agents think the people are being harmed by a product, then it should publish the reasons for all to see and place the product on a highly visible and accessible list said to not meet the agreed-upon criteria. Make it mandatory that the vendor place in the sales literature and in manufacturing and sales locations a highly visible notice to that effect. If a producer lies, with the above information being available, then let the harmed party(s) bring an action against the liar, or stop buying the product. The action would fail because the buyer had been warned, screwing the predatory Attorneys as a good side effect. If a producer is demonstrated, or apparently demonstrated, to be making a harmful or ineffectual product, and some people choose to buy and use that product ---for whatever reason---after being noticed, that is the right of both the producer and the consumer. Consider the fluorides in our food, grooming, cleaning products and medicines. Completely approved; yet well demonstrated to be hideously toxic and; and most people gobble them up thinking they are beneficial. We have no right to choose and coerce for another what they believe to be beneficial or harmful. JOH -Original Message- From: C Creel [mailto:ccr...@adelphia.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:34 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFTC seizes Seasilver So should they bust Schwepps? Schwepps doesn't represent itself as a health enhancer ; if it did, then yes, they should :-) Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Hi Catherine, did you look at the paper below on intravenous Vit C for treating polio and other viral diseases, in relation to SARS? Though from way back in 1948 it seems to me extremely interesting and potentially relevant to SARS and other infections.I think it was referenced on this site? Very glad you and those like you are being able to bring a different perspective to doctors looking at this problem, well done. Best, Sheila www.orthomed.com/polio.htm -Original Message- From: C Creel [mailto:ccr...@adelphia.net] Sent: 18 June 2003 15:57 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Dear Lew, I said: I think you need to be talking to the people who are on the frontlines of this ...Nebulizing is how they feel a number of health care practitioners ended up with SARS. You replied: When there is the will and desire, there is always a way. This is an open-minded forum for health-care. Those in the frontlines battling SARS are welcome to share and to learn. It is open University with all of us students of Ageless Wisdom. ** I think you know I have a great deal of respect for your work. I've mentioned this more than once on another list to which we both belong. But I think if you are to make a suggestion like NO and insist it CAN be done, the onus of responsibility is on you to explain how given what we already know about how nebulizing patients with SARS infected those who were treating the patients. I've spent a little more than 2 months in daily contact with SARS Task Force consisting of people who have tried many different things while treating SARS. The testing ground for these things were two hospitals - one in Beijing and the other in Hong Kong. Their experiences are valuable. When they, who are working every day with patients formally diagnosed as having SARS, and you have a hypothesis you've never really gotten to test in a formally diagnosed SARS case, it's not difficult for me to decide who has the more complete information. I've never been one to accept the status quo, but there is something to be said about learning from others' mistakes. Most people who help others heal are very sincere and caring. The Universe supports these people as best as it can. But sometimes there are hard, cold facts we wish weren't there that require some thinking outside of the box to get around them. For example, so many things work in vitro that don't work in vivo. Right now, NIH scientists find that licorice is disbling the SARS virus. The chances it will do this in vivo are quite slim. But wouldn't it be grand if it did? It would be grand if NO worked. In theory it should. It even stands a good chance in practice - but only if we can create another delivery system that won't risk the lives of others. I'd be glad to introduce your idea to the SARS Task Force if you can come up with an idea for a safe way of administering it. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Seasilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally
Dear Bob, You said: Right on. With all the evidence on tobacco why weren't the tobacco companies treated the same way. They are allowed to pay damages and raise their prices to get it back. Knowing that their addict customers will still be there. I'm not an advocate of Seasilver. I just believe in equal treatment. ** This is really not relevant. I agree with what you say about things that are allowed to exist that are harmful to people, but we're not talking about a substance here that is necessarily harmful (Sea Silver), we're talking about a company misrepresenting a product. There are plenty of other examples we can come up with like this - for instance, the pharmaceutical industry. But this doesn't mean that everything sahould be overlooked because some things are. My biggest issue with Sea Silver is not it's poor performance, it's that the company repeatedly refused to divulge the amounts of the various nutrients they claim are in their product. I called numerous times letting them know that I had a client base of hundreds of people who take my recommendations seriously. They claimed that because it is all natural the amounts vary. I suggested that they must have done some tests on the product that showed ingredients and the range of amounts of each. They admitted they did but again refused to divulge this. Not everyone is as insistent on details as I am. So who knows what others who use this product are getting. They could be paying $40 for a bottle that contains no more nutrients than a Flintstone's vitamin. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Seasilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally
Tobacco products bring in tax dollars, they will never be outlawed. Jim C Creel wrote: Dear Bob, You said: Right on. With all the evidence on tobacco why weren't the tobacco companies treated the same way. They are allowed to pay damages and raise their prices to get it back. Knowing that their addict customers will still be there. I'm not an advocate of Seasilver. I just believe in equal treatment. ** This is really not relevant. I agree with what you say about things that are allowed to exist that are harmful to people, but we're not talking about a substance here that is necessarily harmful (Sea Silver), we're talking about a company misrepresenting a product. There are plenty of other examples we can come up with like this - for instance, the pharmaceutical industry. But this doesn't mean that everything sahould be overlooked because some things are. My biggest issue with Sea Silver is not it's poor performance, it's that the company repeatedly refused to divulge the amounts of the various nutrients they claim are in their product. I called numerous times letting them know that I had a client base of hundreds of people who take my recommendations seriously. They claimed that because it is all natural the amounts vary. I suggested that they must have done some tests on the product that showed ingredients and the range of amounts of each. They admitted they did but again refused to divulge this. Not everyone is as insistent on details as I am. So who knows what others who use this product are getting. They could be paying $40 for a bottle that contains no more nutrients than a Flintstone's vitamin. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver
6/18/03 A federal district judge has ordered a Carlsbad company that sold as much as $1 million per day of a dietary supplement to recall and relabel or repackage all of the product not yet in the hands of consumers --- to correct what the Federal Trade Commission says are false claims that it cures a wide variety of maladies...bank accounts frozen... http://www.nctimes.net/news/2003/20030618/55429.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSShipping CS
Hello All, I am donating a gallon or two of homemade CS to a lady who has taken in a mauled Chinese Shar Pei. I know we are supposed to keep CS in glass bottles, but will it hurt to ship it in plastic gallon distilled water bottles?? TIA, Beth T -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Seasilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally
Jim - its not the tax dollars - its the money that goes directly into the politicians pockets that countCrisis and controversy is a politicians best friend. Al Gore for an example (BUT its not just him, Kennedy, Bryds, Rockefellers, ad nausea) is personally and heavily invested in Big Oil and Tobacco yet he speaks and campaigns on their evils constantly. He and his family has been in politics, big oil and tobacco, forever ... yet nothing is or ever will be done. Companies like Sea Silver and things like CS are red meat for government. They spin righteousness to justify their high handed control. As the orchestra plays on the public - by and large - cheer them on as an another evil is undone. Sad all Sea Silver had to do was to be honest and list all the ingredients and promote the product honestly. Dya'think that's why the government took all the real gold and silver out of circulation. alas, Ed -Original Message- From: Jim Thibeault [mailto:kf4...@papadocs.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Seasilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally Tobacco products bring in tax dollars, they will never be outlawed. Jim C Creel wrote: --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/2003 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver
6/18/03 update: A federal district judge has ordered a Carlsbad company that sold as much as $1 million per day of a dietary supplement to recall and relabel or repackage all of the product not yet in the hands of consumers --- to correct what the Federal Trade Commission says are false claims that it cures a wide variety of maladies...bank accounts frozen... http://www.nctimes.net/news/2003/20030618/55429.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Seasilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally
Catherine writes: ...the company repeatedly refused to divulge the amounts of the various nutrients they claim are in their product... Last night's local TV coverage mentioned nutrients aren't regulated, as part of their report, so, if true, this may be Seasilver's reasoning. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
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Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
From: C Creel
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:52:17
[...]
For example, so many things work in vitro that don't work in vivo.
Right now, NIH scientists find that licorice is disbling the SARS
virus. The chances it will do this in vivo are quite slim. But
wouldn't it be grand if it did?
It would be grand if NO worked. In theory it should. It even
stands a good chance in practice - but only if we can create
another delivery system that won't risk the lives of others.
I'd be glad to introduce your idea to the SARS Task Force if you
can come up with an idea for a safe way of administering it.
Regards,
Catherine
Catherine,
Your caring shows in each letter of each word you write.
A question: if they are willing to try licorice in vitro, would they
be willing to try cs?
I would recommend making it at a current density of 100 uA per
square inch or less.
I now make 425 ml of 19 ppm calculated in 6 hrs with a current
density of 87 uA per square inch. There is very little black deposit
on the anode and none on the cathode.
I find this much more effective against Shingles and cold sore
viruses than the cs I previously recommended to you made at 1.4 mA
per square inch.
Here are the equations:
hrs = 6 ; hours
mnt = 0 ; minutes
I = 335e-6 ; current in Amperes
ml = 425 ; milliliters
x = 1e6 * 107.87 / 96485; Faraday's electrolysis equation
sec = hrs * 3600 + mnt * 60 ; seconds
C = I * sec ; coulombs
ppm = x * C / ml ; parts per million
ppmhr = x * I * 3600 / ml ; ppm per hr
Here are the results:
Solution Variables:
hrs = +6.00
mnt = 0.00
I= +0.000335
ml = +425.
x= +1117.99761620977
sec = +21600.00
C= +7.236000
ppm = +19.0348958844563
ppmhr= +3.17248264740938
Residuals and derived equations:
{ 0 } hrs = 6
{ 0 } mnt = 0
{ 0 } I = 0.000335
{ 0 } ml= 425
{ 0 } x = 1117.99761620977
{ 0 } sec = 21600
{ 0 } C = 7.236
{ 0 } ppm = 19.0348958844563
{ 0 } ppmhr = 3.17248264740938
Largest residual is 0
Method: Exact
Best Regards,
Mike Monett
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Re: CSRe: Seasilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally
Last night's local TV coverage mentioned nutrients aren't regulated, as part of their report, so, if true, this may be Seasilver's reasoning. Non-regulated means there are no standards. All labeling of foods and nutritional substances in the US is required. For the sake of discussion let's say the company is under no obligation to put quantities of each nutrient on the label. Why would you NOT want to do this? Why would you not want to divulge this to a person in a position to influence the buying habits of her clients? The bottom line is it would be irresponsible of me to recommend anything for anyone without knowing everything about it I can possibly know. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
...I now make 425 ml of 19 ppm calculated... As opposed to measured? jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Dear Mike, You said: Your caring shows in each letter of each word you write. A question: if they are willing to try licorice in vitro, would they be willing to try cs? I would recommend making it at a current density of 100 uA per square inch or less. **Thank you :-) I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity to present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my thoughts were running along the lines of nebulizing. Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most patients are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about the latter because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy with this. Thanks for your input, Mike. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Hi CC, et al, I don't know how the white coat priests will cotton to getting info from a DC, but Dr. John Hill has written a book with basic information about CS. It is dated, in some respects, but has lots of cites from papers published in journals during the 30's heyday of CS. A search of his name and +colloidal silver will probably yield he book if it is still being sold. It can be immediately downloaded with a CC. The route of administration was most often IV. JOH -Original Message- From: C Creel [mailto:ccr...@adelphia.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Dear Mike, You said: Your caring shows in each letter of each word you write. A question: if they are willing to try licorice in vitro, would they be willing to try cs? I would recommend making it at a current density of 100 uA per square inch or less. **Thank you :-) I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity to present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my thoughts were running along the lines of nebulizing. Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most patients are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about the latter because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy with this. Thanks for your input, Mike. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Dear James, You said: I don't know how the white coat priests will cotton to getting info from a DC, but Dr. John Hill has written a book with basic information about CS. It is dated, in some respects, but has lots of cites from papers published in journals during the 30's heyday of CS. A search of his name and +colloidal silver will probably yield he book if it is still being sold. It can be immediately downloaded with a CC ** Thank you! Here it is. Colloidal Silver: A Literature Review: Medical Uses, Toxicology Manufacture - Second Edition - By John Hill, D.C. http://www.advance-health.com/silver.html Fantastic! Thanks so much. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Great: I have somewhere the First Edition; it will be interesting to see what he has come up with in the Second Edition. Jim -Original Message- From: C Creel [mailto:ccr...@adelphia.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Dear James, You said: I don't know how the white coat priests will cotton to getting info from a DC, but Dr. John Hill has written a book with basic information about CS. It is dated, in some respects, but has lots of cites from papers published in journals during the 30's heyday of CS. A search of his name and +colloidal silver will probably yield he book if it is still being +sold. It can be immediately downloaded with a CC ** Thank you! Here it is. Colloidal Silver: A Literature Review: Medical Uses, Toxicology Manufacture - Second Edition - By John Hill, D.C. http://www.advance-health.com/silver.html Fantastic! Thanks so much. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Hi Catherine, I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? It seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also seems to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost immediately which would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard CS which is normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being colloids, it would cover the bases of which is effective since both would be circulating in the system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to see a decrease in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process seems to produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to think it does. An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any different than an ion any device produces. The major difference can only be the ratio of ions to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is made using a good process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the colloids are within the small range of being colorless. As Bob Lee once pointed out there are about 1.41252 X 10+18 atoms in one teaspoon of CS made to 20+ PPM. I would think it wouldn't take too much in an intravenous solution to see some dramatic results. And let's remember, an IV of distilled water isn't going to do any damage so why wouldn't someone try this just to see if it works? Or as I said earlier, is there something I missed. Best regards, Trem I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity to present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my thoughts were running along the lines of nebulizing. Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most patients are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about the latter because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy with this. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilver Toxicity in IV Route
More ammunition for convincing the docs CC, The head, or former head, of John Hopkins' University Life Sciences Division did a comprehensive study of Ag toxicity. He says, for the standard human unit, that point is 3.8 GRAMS, not milligrams, per day. The guy has a list of credentials a mile long and is a real heavyweight. He should be someone the MDs will listen too. So, even if they have doubts about its efficacy, they will not be freaked about the potential danger of overdose. A search of the Archives with John Hopkins+ toxicity should find the post. I would do that, but I am already half an hour late for my volunteer fire department meeting. It might have been Trem who sent the original post, but I am not sure. Perhaps someone who mined that post will whip out a copy... (Pardon the g-n based jargon in my salutation) Jim -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Catherine, I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? It seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also seems to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost immediately which would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard CS which is normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being colloids, it would cover the bases of which is effective since both would be circulating in the system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to see a decrease in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process seems to produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to think it does. An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any different than an ion any device produces. The major difference can only be the ratio of ions to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is made using a good process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the colloids are within the small range of being colorless. As Bob Lee once pointed out there are about 1.41252 X 10+18 atoms in one teaspoon of CS made to 20+ PPM. I would think it wouldn't take too much in an intravenous solution to see some dramatic results. And let's remember, an IV of distilled water isn't going to do any damage so why wouldn't someone try this just to see if it works? Or as I said earlier, is there something I missed. Best regards, Trem I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity to present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my thoughts were running along the lines of nebulizing. Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most patients are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about the latter because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy with this. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60357.html Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: C Creel Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:32:04 Dear Mike, [...] I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity to present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my thoughts were running along the lines of nebulizing. Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most patients are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about the latter because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy with this. Thanks for your input, Mike. Regards, Catherine Perhaps this may help give some more documentation that is needed. I was in a severe mold environment that compromised my immune system. Previous to this, I never had reason to visit doctors, was never hospitalized, and any injury healed very quickly. It took a long time to realize the effects the mold was having on my body. By then it was too late. One of the effects is I got Shingles. Shingles is due to the chickenpox virus eveyone has as a child. Medicine has no cure against it. The remedies that are recommended have serious side effects. About 20 percent of the population of my age gets Shingles, but it is unheard of in my family. I am the only one to have experienced it. I started taking cs as soon as I found what it was. I posted a detailed report (warning - unpleasant photos) http://www.geocities.com/mrmonett/shingles/0shin.htm (Since then, Yahoo bought Geocities and my password no longer works. I cannot update that page.) The cs that I made was effective against the Shingles. But it came back. This is not unusual, especially when the immune system is compromised. The cs that I made according to the specifications on my web page no longer had any effect. I increased the dosage by increasing the brew time to 1 hr, then to 1.5 hr. The Shingles remained. The scabs would not go away, and the infection sites were very painful. In conjunction with another project, I tried three different methods of stirring. My motivation was to reduce the need for constantly cleaning the electrodes and the the glass that held the cs. To my surprise, the Shingles got worse. The scabs started bleeding, which never happened before, and the cavities in my teeth hurt much sooner. This cs lasted only several hours before another dose was needed. A friend who moved in with me around the same time reported the same result on her cavities. Stirring did not work for her either, so I abandoned stirring. However, her family lives in Moldavia. She knew what cs could do, and she wanted to send a cs generator to her brother. The 160VDC system described on my web page would not be suitable. I started looking for a simple low voltage system, perhaps running off a single 9V battery. If it could be made to work, there are many ways to get power. A 12V car battery would work, a standard Wallwart power supply, or even used 1.5V alkalines from a boombox. I posted my goals to the list, then started working on the problem on a Thursday. The challenge was to figure out how to get enough Coulombs transferred from a low voltage supply in a reasonable time. The solution was to increase the wetted area by folding the 12 ga wire into a W, then finding the series resistance needed to approximate a constant current source. I can show the equations and derivations needed in a separate post, but it is not important to this topic. I made a great deal of black and gray sludge that weekend. By Monday, I finally figured out what was happening with the mist and the invisible ion cloud. My interpretation of the ion cloud density is posted in other ULVDC threads. But the astonishing thing was the first trial of the new cs. I am sceptical of anything new, and did not gulp it down as I normally do. The first test was only a mouthfull on that Monday. The following Wednesday, the Shingles scabs fell off. I have reported this in other ULVDC posts. I cannot tell you how surprised I was. Now, the Shingles scabs are gone, the cavities are silent, and nobody has cold sores anymore. According to references in a previous post, cold sores are easiest to kill, Herpes genital viruses are next, and Shingles viruses are the most difficult. The cs made at 87 uA/sq. in killed the Shingles. If these things were not true, and stirring worked, I would be promoting stirring and analyzing which method worked the best. But none of these methods worked against the viruses we faced. I do not know why, and you know I am capable of taking accurate enough measurements of my process to tell if there was any change. I believe
Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Hi Jason, As I said earlieram I missing something. Thanks for pointing out the reason it isn't a no brainer. Remember, I'm just a designer and not a physician. Although if it was an animal I owned, I'd probably try it since the critter would probably be a goner if something wasn't tried. Too bad they don't have any animals with SARS to try it on. That would produce some definitive results just as trying it on a human would. The thing in your post that bothers me is this. Why is distilled water poisonous if is composed of H20 and has no impurities? It would be pure by definition if distilled or deionized wouldn't it? Or is it that a small amount of water is too much for the body to assimilate? I don't think so since it is used in injections all the time. What is a pyrogen? And why would that be in properly distilled water? Of course silver is incredibly potent. That's the reason for using it. But as Jim just pointed out, the lethal dose is 3.8 grams. I'm talking about using tenths or hundredths of milligrams, not grams. Regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Catherine, I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? It seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also seems to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost immediately which would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard CS which is normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being colloids, it would cover the bases of which is effective since both would be circulating in the system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to see a decrease in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process seems to produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to think it does. An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any different than an ion any device produces. The major difference can only be the ratio of ions to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is made using a good process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the colloids are within the small range of being colorless. As Bob Lee once pointed out there are about 1.41252 X 10+18 atoms in one teaspoon of CS made to 20+ PPM. I would think it wouldn't take too much in an intravenous solution to see some dramatic results. And let's remember, an IV of distilled water isn't going to do any damage so why wouldn't someone try this just to see if it works? Or as I said earlier, is there something I missed. Best regards, Trem I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity to present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my thoughts were running along the lines of nebulizing. Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most patients are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about the latter because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy with this. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Mike, I went to your page, I like what you have there. I have some space on some of my sites, May I put your page on one of them and give you the password so you can update it? Sincerely Yours, Hank http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html http://www.babelmagazine.com/wing.html http://members.myecom.net/hdka/ct/ct.html http://www.geocities.com/mrmonett/shingles/0shin.htm (Since then, Yahoo bought Geocities and my password no longer works. I cannot update that page.) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/03
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Hi Mike, Yes, I keep getting your message but apparently you don't get mine. An ion is an ion. The only difference between any CS and what you make is the ratio of ions to particulate and the particle size. If you make 100% ionic silver and I make 80% ionic and it is only the ions that do any good in the body, then the mix I make would only be 80% as effective as yours. And since there is no reason to not take enough to do the job effectively, you will never convince me that you can make any better ionic silver than anyone else. Just drink more of it no matter how it's made. Of course it's best to try to make the particulate portion of it be as small as possible in order to get more particles in a given measure but that's only fine tuning to me. I believe your thinking is a bit clouded over the issue of your ions being better than any made using a different current density since it happened to work so well for you at the time. And have you ever considered that the shingles were on the way out when you hit them with the final amount of CS made using your new method? I had them too a few years ago and knocked it our with CS very quickly. The first time I had them I was given something by my Dr. ( Acyclovir I think) and it took some time to get rid of it. Second time I used CS and it didn't even form any blisters and the pain was gone in a couple of days. Regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Mike Monett 3hg0lm...@sneakemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60357.html Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: C Creel Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:32:04 Dear Mike, [...] I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity to present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my thoughts were running along the lines of nebulizing. Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most patients are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about the latter because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy with this. Thanks for your input, Mike. Regards, Catherine Perhaps this may help give some more documentation that is needed. I was in a severe mold environment that compromised my immune system. Previous to this, I never had reason to visit doctors, was never hospitalized, and any injury healed very quickly. It took a long time to realize the effects the mold was having on my body. By then it was too late. One of the effects is I got Shingles. Shingles is due to the chickenpox virus eveyone has as a child. Medicine has no cure against it. The remedies that are recommended have serious side effects. About 20 percent of the population of my age gets Shingles, but it is unheard of in my family. I am the only one to have experienced it. I started taking cs as soon as I found what it was. I posted a detailed report (warning - unpleasant photos) http://www.geocities.com/mrmonett/shingles/0shin.htm (Since then, Yahoo bought Geocities and my password no longer works. I cannot update that page.) The cs that I made was effective against the Shingles. But it came back. This is not unusual, especially when the immune system is compromised. The cs that I made according to the specifications on my web page no longer had any effect. I increased the dosage by increasing the brew time to 1 hr, then to 1.5 hr. The Shingles remained. The scabs would not go away, and the infection sites were very painful. In conjunction with another project, I tried three different methods of stirring. My motivation was to reduce the need for constantly cleaning the electrodes and the the glass that held the cs. To my surprise, the Shingles got worse. The scabs started bleeding, which never happened before, and the cavities in my teeth hurt much sooner. This cs lasted only several hours before another dose was needed. A friend who moved in with me around the same time reported the same result on her cavities. Stirring did not work for her either, so I abandoned stirring. However, her family lives in Moldavia. She knew what cs could do, and she wanted to send a cs generator to her brother. The 160VDC system described on my web page would not be suitable. I started looking for a simple low voltage system, perhaps running off a single 9V battery. If it could be made to work, there are many ways to get power. A 12V car battery would work, a standard Wallwart power supply, or even used 1.5V alkalines from a boombox. I posted my goals to the list, then started working on the problem on a Thursday. The challenge was to figure out how to get
Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Hi Trem: It's a no-brainer for you and I truly. We don't have medical licenses! It's not that distilled water is toxic... It's only a matter of shock. If a solution is not properly buffered when injected, the fluid changes can cause shock. If the distilled water were truly pure, and the drip done properly, this would, I believe, be an exception and not the rule. The PH of the sol has to be precise. A pyrogen is a substance that enduces an immune system response ( in particular, it enduces a fever ) when used in the body... I'm not certain if the term is limited to IV injections only, but FDA standards specify anything injected must be pyrogen and endotoxin free. Endotoxin is bacterial cell matter ( I'm sure there's a better and more official way to describe the term ). It is not enough that a substance be free of living bacteria, it must be free of all bacterial matter. Even small amounts of endotoxin injected directly into the blood stream can have consequences. This means that if the CS has come in contact with air, it is not likely to be endotoxin free. The reason these things are in place: It's too easy to make a mistake otherwise. We should consider and learn the lesson that Hudson learned, when he and an MD killed a person by injecting contaminated monoatomic gold into a patient. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Jason, As I said earlieram I missing something. Thanks for pointing out the reason it isn't a no brainer. Remember, I'm just a designer and not a physician. Although if it was an animal I owned, I'd probably try it since the critter would probably be a goner if something wasn't tried. Too bad they don't have any animals with SARS to try it on. That would produce some definitive results just as trying it on a human would. The thing in your post that bothers me is this. Why is distilled water poisonous if is composed of H20 and has no impurities? It would be pure by definition if distilled or deionized wouldn't it? Or is it that a small amount of water is too much for the body to assimilate? I don't think so since it is used in injections all the time. What is a pyrogen? And why would that be in properly distilled water? Of course silver is incredibly potent. That's the reason for using it. But as Jim just pointed out, the lethal dose is 3.8 grams. I'm talking about using tenths or hundredths of milligrams, not grams. Regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Catherine, I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? It seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also seems to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost immediately which would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard CS which is normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being colloids, it would cover the bases of which is effective since both would be circulating in the system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to see a decrease in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process seems to produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to think it does. An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any different
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Dear Trem, You said: I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? ** It's because CS is such a foreign concept for them. It makes them apprehensive. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60367.html Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux From: Jonathan B. Britten Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:26:27 The information below is very interesting indeed. However, I can not help but wonder whether the apparently higher efficacy of the new-method CS was in fact merely coincidental, a result of the new CS being taken at a time when the virus was vulnerable, and further at a time following the use of ordinary CS which had rendered the virus much weaker. From the information provided, it seems difficult to exclude this possibility. If there is a way to exclude this interpretation, it would be good to know. JBB Hi Jonathan, I am not an doctor, and know little about medicine. But I am an engineer, and I know a lot about making accurate measurements. I can confirm the current used to make the cs was constant to within +/-2.5%, depending on the line voltage. I can confirm the brew time was accurate to within several seconds, depending on what my hands were doing when the timer went off. I can confirm the fill level was constant to within 1/8 of an inch. The dw was from Walmart. Not the best quality, but very consistent. I measured the initial voltage for most runs just to verify the quality, and plotted the cv curve when I had time. There is no reason to expect much variation in the cs. I made 8 oz each day. This was a religion. Nothing else happened until the timer went off and I drank the cs, and my normal morning coffee. The Shingles attack was in October, 2001. The normal cs killed it very quickly. A low-level infection returned this January. It was in the same general location, but a bit lower down. I made no change in my procedure of making cs, except to try stirring. It did not work, the Shingles got worse, and I went back to the normal cs. The Shingles returned to its previous level. Perhaps three weeks transpired, and things were pretty much the same as before. Taking a shower produced the same level of pain. I got the idea to try to make a 9V generator, and posted the goal to the list. I got my first results on Monday, and posted to the list. The response to the new cs was so dramatic and sudden, there is little to account for it except the increased concentration of silver ions. After discovering this, I changed to the new cs and started taking a mouthful every three or four days, instead of drinking 8 oz per day. There have been no tingling sensations indicating the start of a new Shingles infection, no trace of any cold sore infections, no pain from cavities, and the teenager and her mother are completely clear of any new infections. They both had been taking the 1.4 mA/sq. in cs before, but the teenager got a serious infection. This cleared up when I switched to the 87uA/sq. in. cs and put him on a regime of one mouthful every two days. The indications are the same across the board. For all of us who take it, the new cs is much better than the old. Others will have to try it and see how it works. I have posted the necessary information in the ULVDC thread. I am not claiming magic or the phase of the moon. My interpretation of the effect of the density of the ion cloud on the formation of particles is well documented in the archives. An ion is an ion. The more of them, the better. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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In all fairness, the Fed's did give them 14 months to change their labeling and advertising practices before they came down on them. Andy http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/wlcfm/full_text.cfm?full_text=SEASILVER; Search=Search
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Andy writes: In all fairness, the Fed's did give them 14 months to change... Wonder what the significance, if any, of the warning letter coming from the FDA, but the seizure done by the FTC. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Wonder what the significance, if any, of the warning letter coming from the FDA, but the seizure done by the FTC. jr That's the normal protocol. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Comments in Trem's text. These speculations are offered as questions for discussion, not assertions. -Original Message- From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. JOH Why not add it to any electrolytes already being given or give Ringers and CS? Why not just make it isotonic with salt, if the volume is low enough and prepared electrolyte solutions are not available? 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. JOH A product that is not pyrogen free, certified or not, can be deadly. I How do pyrogens 1, get into carefully made batches of CS, 2. If pathogens are present, none have been demonstrated to survive even concentrations as low as 0.002 PPM (From distant memory, check for yourself) How will they survive 5 PPM and up? Sterile equipment is a given. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. JOH I agree that to be a serious problem with advanced systemic infection of an endotoxin type. Perhaps a protocol can be suggested based on the kill rates in broth compared with the success against that organism in people. Perhaps an initially cautious beginning: a very small amount by mouth leading up to larger I V doses when the first kill debris has been processed. It is incredibly potent, and in dosages that are an order of magnitude or two, below toxicity. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. JOH Not only that, they might hurt somebody. Don't doctors in desperate situations have license to do whatever they think may help that they are qualified to administer? If not, by whom and for what purpose? If---big if, it could be practically demonstrated [That's not the same as jumping through all the hoops] that SARS cannot live in 5-15 PPM CS, then there would be no reason to not nebulize; any overspray will help disinfect the environment and all fomites it touches. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Catherine, I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? It seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also seems to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost immediately which would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard CS which is normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being colloids, it would cover the bases of which is effective since both would be circulating in the system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to see a decrease in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process seems to produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to think it does. An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any different than an ion any device produces. The major difference can only be the ratio of ions to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is made using a good process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the colloids are within the small range of being colorless. As Bob Lee once pointed out there are about 1.41252 X 10+18 atoms in one teaspoon of CS made to 20+ PPM. I would think it wouldn't take too much in an intravenous solution to see some dramatic results. And let's remember, an IV of distilled water isn't going to do any damage so why wouldn't someone try this just to see if it works? Or as I said earlier, is there something I missed. Best regards, Trem I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity to present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my thoughts were running along the lines of nebulizing. Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most patients are too ill to drink) and IV.
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Please note folk, 3.8 g. Is the TOXIC dose, NOT the lethal dose. Dogs (don't remember the weight) were killed with 1 gram of fine metal powder injected. Not intentionally; they were trying to create a blood problem to study. It is in John Hill's book. Who would ever want to get anywhere that, and how could you do it even if 10 times the required dose was administered? -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Jason, As I said earlieram I missing something. Thanks for pointing out the reason it isn't a no brainer. Remember, I'm just a designer and not a physician. Although if it was an animal I owned, I'd probably try it since the critter would probably be a goner if something wasn't tried. Too bad they don't have any animals with SARS to try it on. That would produce some definitive results just as trying it on a human would. The thing in your post that bothers me is this. Why is distilled water poisonous if is composed of H20 and has no impurities? It would be pure by definition if distilled or deionized wouldn't it? Or is it that a small amount of water is too much for the body to assimilate? I don't think so since it is used in injections all the time. What is a pyrogen? And why would that be in properly distilled water? Of course silver is incredibly potent. That's the reason for using it. But as Jim just pointed out, the lethal dose is 3.8 grams. I'm talking about using tenths or hundredths of milligrams, not grams. Regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Trem: There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune response. 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be understandable. 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could easily do federal time. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Hi Catherine, I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? It seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also seems to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost immediately which would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard CS which is normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being colloids, it would cover the bases of which is effective since both would be circulating in the system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to see a decrease in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process seems to produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to think it does. An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any different than an ion any device produces. The major difference can only be the ratio of ions to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is made using a good process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the colloids are within the small range of being colorless. As Bob Lee once pointed out there are about 1.41252 X 10+18 atoms in one teaspoon of CS made to 20+ PPM. I would think it wouldn't take too much in an intravenous solution to see some dramatic results. And let's remember, an IV of distilled water isn't going to do any damage so why wouldn't someone try this just to see if it works? Or as I said earlier, is there something I missed. Best regards, Trem I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity to present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my thoughts were running along the lines of nebulizing. Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because
RE: CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver
OHthat's quite different. JOH -Original Message- From: ascottsil...@aol.com [mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:55 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver In all fairness, the Fed's did give them 14 months to change their labeling and advertising practices before they came down on them. Andy http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/wlcfm/full_text.cfm?full_text=SEASILVE RSearch=Search
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