CSElectroacupuncture devices for spider bites?
List, The stun gun method described earlier may be the best, but I have found a simple acu-point stimulator device works fine on mosquito bites and might work on the more powerful venom of spiders. If so, the advantage would be that the devices are easy to use -- most have a blunt, needle-like tip -- and have adjustable output knobs so one could choose a level not too excruciating. (Yes, it hurts when applied to a bite.) I am not sure of the output on the devices as I have, and they are no longer in production. I have no time right now to delve into this but may later. In the meantime, food for thought. . . JBB -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMicro amps and Watch Batteries
This warning may be very important indeed.In fact, even relatively low-powered devices, such as the OMRON ELEPULSE devices widely sold in Japan, ordinarily show placement of the electrodes on the same arm or leg, and not on opposite limbs. I believe that Bob Beck also advised great caution in the use of the blood electrification device, to preclude possible heart damage by users putting electrodes on opposite wrists. One does so at one's own risk. All the same, if I read the attachment correctly, the method called for the stun gun to be modified such that it was used only on one limb, not two different limbs. Am I misunderstanding either the original link or Matthew's posting below?I think the user would holding the gun in one hand would be insulated by the plastic casing even when pushing the trigger. The electrode/wire are supposed to be applied to one limb. Even so, a device custom-designed for venom neutralization would be wonderful. I have yet to find such a device but hope to. JBB On Friday, Dec 19, 2003, at 14:07 Asia/Tokyo, Matthew McCann PE wrote: Hi, Wayne! I am just delighted you seem fit as a fiddle following your experiment! My chief concern is that you have happily shaken hands with the lightning bolt with no harm, just like Benjamin Franklin did, but those who follow in your footsteps may not be so fortunate. The stun gun is fully capable of doing to cardiac muscle what it does to skeletal muscle. All it takes is a thoracic pathway. The stun gun is not designed to deliver self-administered shocks, with current flowing between two different limbs. The original spacing of its electrodes was supposed to prevent lethal thoracic currents. The modification defeats this design. I hadn't heard of the watch battery as a means of committing suicide. The two electrodes are spaced so closely that it seems unlikely a microamperage would be produced outside the G.I. tract. Does death ensue quickly? If not, it may be the nasty chemicals inside the battery coming out. Incidentally, I think the AIDS pandemic in Africa and the ensuing suicide wave may be treatable and preventable, respectively. We don't hear much about CS and Imusil being dispensed in Africa, or am I wrong? I think the spider bite is a dreadful tragedy and I do not begrudge you the prospect of overcoming it if that is what the stun gun can do. I wish you the very best outcome of your heroic endeavor! May God speed you to a full recovery. Best wishes, Matthew
Re: CSMicro amps and Watch Batteries
Morning JBB, All the same, if I read the attachment correctly, the method called for the stun gun to be modified such that it was used only on one limb, not two different limbs. Am I misunderstanding either the original link or Matthew's posting below? My thinking is, that his warning covered a number of situations to make one aware of the possibilities of a mishap. The lead supplied is 15 inches. This could produce an effective spacing of 15 inches to random parts of the body. I think the user would holding the gun in one hand would be insulated by the plastic casing even when pushing the trigger. The electrode/wire are supposed to be applied to one limb. If the bite should be on the torso, back, or other hard to reach body parts, another person could perform the operation better. Another fact that some may not have considered, holding this critter firmly in place during the actual shock phase would not be easy. Fortunately for me, I has someone else do the dirty work while I was occupied with gritting my teeth and holding on to the chair. Even so, a device custom-designed for venom neutralization would be wonderful. I have yet to find such a device but hope to. It would be easy to design a fixture to receive and secure the stun gun. The fixture could be strapped in place or otherwise secured. This would allow precise control and placement. All suggestions and safety warning are well taken. We all realize that man can screw up the simplest device or treatment either thru carelessness or ignorance. I would never try to apply this treatment to myself except in a remote location when no other person was available. I think I could do it under those conditions. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMicro amps and Watch Batteries
First, let me comment on the following... Robb writes: Did you guys see that cool movie?..with the heart patients being chased by dinosaurs?. Thoracic Park *SOMEBODY* must be feeling better! howling laughter ... Ahem... As to the topic at hand, consider holding the bare metal clip in your left hand and the stun gun in the right, applied, say, across your right calf. Left hand and calf muscle provide parallel paths for the current to flow. If your hand was a little sweaty, would you like to speculate which path might be favored? We must train ourselves to see red flags go up *any* time we're working with electricity and the possibility of a shock to the heart muscle is present. Good one, Robb! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWalgreen's Personal Ultrasonic Humidifier
Hey Hank- I checked that page with 3 different search terms but did not see it there. I don't have the box in front of me right now but the information on the bottom of the box as posted by Richard Harris is the same as mine. We liked it so much- then our oldest daughter came down sick yesterday so we let her take it home, and we went to our Walgreen's last night and bought the last one. I could have sworn I paid 17.99 for the first one, and the price last night was 19.99. If I'm right, then that sure doesn't sound like anything they're going to discontinue. Maybe it's new and not on the site yet? Middle daughter and wife both used it last night, and wife at about 3 AM this morning. This is my first use of an ultrasonic humidifier. If the larger ones work the same, with a big strong mist, then I'm sure you could do it with another one, just not as conveniently. Daddybob I checked that search page Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:27:21 -0600 From: Hank h...@arkansas.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWalgreen's Personal Ultrasonic Humidifier Hi Daddybob, Can you check this page http://www.walgreens.com/search/search_results.jhtml?_DARGS=/common/search/home_side_search.jhtml and let me know if one of these are the one you got? Thank you. __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMicro-amps and Watch Batteries
G'Morning, Jon and Wayne, Wayne is correct in that I was contemplating a variety of possible situations. The presence of an assistant would help prevent too many hands and legs of one person getting involved. An assistant could also apply CPR in case of an accidental ventricular fibrillation. Don't depend on just the plastic handle's insulation.Maxwell's equations predict surface currents can flow on dielectric interfaces. Also, the stun gun generates higher voltages than some Wimhurst machines and even Van de Graff generators. Both exhibit arcing across air gaps. Best wishes, Matthew
RE: CSMicro-amps and Watch Batteries
Hi Matthew, Jon, Wayne, Any type treatment with possible risk should be done in the presence and with the aid of a second individual who can administer CPR and/or call 911--otherwise, it might bring on unintentional suicide or accidental death! Please exercise due caution! Remember the first rule of First Aid and Home Remedies--DO NO HARM! Best Wishes, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Matthew McCann PE [mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMicro-amps and Watch Batteries G'Morning, Jon and Wayne, Wayne is correct in that I was contemplating a variety of possible situations. The presence of an assistant would help prevent too many hands and legs of one person getting involved. An assistant could also apply CPR in case of an accidental ventricular fibrillation. Don't depend on just the plastic handle's insulation.Maxwell's equations predict surface currents can flow on dielectric interfaces. Also, the stun gun generates higher voltages than some Wimhurst machines and even Van de Graff generators. Both exhibit arcing across air gaps. Best wishes, Matthew
CSOT humor
Happy Holidays!! TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. Here are some actual error messages seen on computer screens in Japan, where some are written in Haiku. Aren't these better than your computer has performed an illegal operation? 1 The Web site you seek cannot be located, but countless more exist. 2 Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. --- 3 Program aborting: Close all that you have worked on. You ask far too much. 4 Windows NT crashed. I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams. - 5 Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that. - 6 Your file was so big. It might have been very useful. But now it is gone. --- 7 Stay the patient course. Of little worth is your ire. The network is down. - 8 A crash reduces your expensive computer to a simple stone. - 9 Three things are certain: Death, taxes and lost data. Guess which has occurred? - 10 You step in the stream, but the water has moved on. This page is not here. - 11 Out of memory. We wish to hold the whole sky, But we never will. 12 Having been erased, The document you're seeking must now be re-keyboarded. - 13 Serious error. All shortcuts have disappeared. - 14 Screen. Mind. Both are blank. _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeed Engineering Help
Wayne Fugitt wrote: Very soon I will be applying high voltage to the spider bite, something I should have done two weeks ago. It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison in the bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be surprised if it does not help at this time. But if you try it and it does help, tell us. I would love to be wrong on this. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeed engineering help
Do you have any documentation on this. The UL and government standard is 10 mA for leakage current which is far more than a few microamps. Blood electrification and zappers both operate at around this current. And the blood electrification fall in the range of the most sensitive frequency for this to happen, unlike the Clark zapper or one of these high voltage units. Marshall Matthew McCann PE wrote: Hi, Wayne! Good to read everything is OK.Microamperes have electrocutedpatients in hospitals throughbreaks in the skin opening electricalpathways to the blood andthrough the thorax. It isdefinitely not a trifling risk. Matthew
Re: CSTooth Paste SuggestionFlouride generally, a bit Off Topic
twll wrote: Speaking of teeth.I stumbled accross this.They claim 60% of toothpaste is gylcerine it demineralizes your teeth you should use bar soap to brush with. Glycerin is a a trihydric alcohol which is in all animal fats and many other food sources. It is used in thousands of products, including bar soap. I see not reason to think it would cause demineralization of anything, it is basically an oily substance. See a http://www.cleaning101.com/oleo/whygly2.html for more information on this versatile compound. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeed Engineering Help
Why don't you just zapp directly across the bite, ie from one edge to the other? Why pass current thru parts of the body that don't need it? Needless complications can arise... CSNeed Engineering Help From: Wayne Fugitt (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:52:06 Very soon I will be applying high voltage to the spider bite, something I should have done two weeks ago. Thanks to a loving list member, Margie, for sending me the stun gun. The alligator clip for attaching to the opposite side of the leg is in fact a Claw Type about 7/16 inches wide with 4 points on one side and 3 on the other. The question is, would I get a better connection by clipping to the skin or having someone press firmly on the end of the clip. The surface area would be 1/4 X 7/16 inches, rather than the few points biting into the skin . Also by pressing into the calf muscle on the opposite side, the muscle would be compressed and the current path would be shorter. I plan a total of 7 charges of two seconds each, One at 12, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 o'clock and one in the center. This is something I have never done. I think I can stand the pain ok. Clipping the skin with that mean claw clip scares me worse than the high voltage. Suggestions and ideas welcome. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWalgreen's Personal Ultrasonic Humidifier
Thank you, I bought one from Wal-mart and it is just a small sump cooler type, no mist. I can't afford to order one that would be the same, with no mist. I have a Miniature air Humidifier that puts out a good mist but it won't run without the filter in it. Sincerely Yours, Hank My home page http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka Radarmatrix http://www.radarmatrix.com Songs http://hdka.stormpages.com/index.html Chemtrails http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html - Original Message - From: daddybob To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:51 AM Subject: Re: CSWalgreen's Personal Ultrasonic Humidifier Hey Hank- I checked that page with 3 different search terms but did not see it there. I don't have the box in front of me right now but the information on the bottom of the box as posted by Richard Harris is the same as mine. We liked it so much- then our oldest daughter came down sick yesterday so we let her take it home, and we went to our Walgreen's last night and bought the last one. I could have sworn I paid 17.99 for the first one, and the price last night was 19.99. If I'm right, then that sure doesn't sound like anything they're going to discontinue. Maybe it's new and not on the site yet? Middle daughter and wife both used it last night, and wife at about 3 AM this morning. This is my first use of an ultrasonic humidifier. If the larger ones work the same, with a big strong mist, then I'm sure you could do it with another one, just not as conveniently. Daddybob --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as AVG can do it. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/03
Re: CSCS/H2O2 and aromatherapy oils ?
esl...@aol.com wrote: I had a thought to combine CS with some H2O2 and eucalyptis or lemon oil for cleaning /deodorizing and topical use. Has anyone tried this and does the CS lose it's effectiveness when shaken with oil? If it worked I think it would make a great smelling, natural, cleaning deodorizing solution. I'm trying to get rid of commercial chemical cleansers in my home. Sounds interesting. Give it a try. However, be sure to wipe it off, the CS can stain if left to stand and evaporate. Also the H2O2 is a pretty strong bleach, so be careful where you use it, or you may end up bleaching out color where you don't want to. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS/H2O2 and aromatherapy oils ?
I had a thought to combine CS with some H2O2 and eucalyptis or lemon oil for cleaning /deodorizing and topical use. Has anyone tried this and does the CS lose it's effectiveness when shaken with oil? If it worked I think it would make a great smelling, natural, cleaning deodorizing solution. I'm trying to get rid of commercial chemical cleansers in my home. Thanks Steve
Re: CSMicro amps and Watch Batteries
Thanks Mike..I am feeling better .and I really just couldn't resist that one..Robb - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: Re: CSMicro amps and Watch Batteries First, let me comment on the following... Robb writes: Did you guys see that cool movie?..with the heart patients being chased by dinosaurs?. Thoracic Park *SOMEBODY* must be feeling better! howling laughter ... Ahem... As to the topic at hand, consider holding the bare metal clip in your left hand and the stun gun in the right, applied, say, across your right calf. Left hand and calf muscle provide parallel paths for the current to flow. If your hand was a little sweaty, would you like to speculate which path might be favored? We must train ourselves to see red flags go up *any* time we're working with electricity and the possibility of a shock to the heart muscle is present. Good one, Robb! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeed Engineering Help
Morning Dan, At 09:51 AM 12/19/03 -0600, you wrote: Why don't you just zapp directly across the bite, ie from one edge to the other? The pioneer doctor, Dr. Carl D. Osborn, who has successfully treated hundreds for spider bite victims, said to do it this way. Working across the bite is suggested also. The idea is to effect the deeper toxins by attaching the lead on the opposite side of a leg or arm. His research was done in the late 80's. Bits and pieces are floating around. One can get the complete info from the Oklahoma State Medical Association. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeed Engineering Help
That is exciting news. I am completely at a loss to understand what is happening or how it could help at this late date, but if it works, great! Marshall Wayne Fugitt wrote: Morning Marshall, It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison in the bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be surprised if it does not help at this time. This has been my feelings also. However, Dr. Osborn reports doing this as much as 5 weeks after the bite with favorable results. We did the treatment about 7 PM. By 11 PM, I noticed a difference in the draining. A different color and viscosity. I bandage before going to sleep with a CS soaked bandage. This am more drainage was noticed than on previous nights. I leave the bandage off for periods during the day. This am, while walking around doing the very limited morning chores, drainage was such that it ran down to my sock. It had never done this before. I can use 3 fingers, pressing down, and moving them around the bite, within 1/2 inch, no pain, and the area seems softer. Something is happening differently. I have a number of treatments in line that I have not used yet simply because the wound is draining so well. I have had a number of simple infections ( simple boils ) that have been many times more painful than this spider bite. The absence of pain has amazed me. Last night a neighbor nurse called me and wanted me to come to the office where she works for cortisone and antibiotics. She said, one week of antibiotics will not kill you. I had to say, No thank you. Hopefully, I do not need these anytime soon. CS soaks, MSM soaks, and Epsom Salts soaks plus the Onion poultice when the swelling was bad ( about 3 days ) plus a barrage of supplements and vitamin C may have been the key to zero pain. I can only guess what the resulting effect would have been using conventional treatment of antibiotics. Wayne But if you try it and it does help, tell us. I would love to be wrong on this. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver is Safer
Do they have an explaination? Is the silver easier to see, or people who select silver older or better drivers? Curious. Marshall daddybob wrote: Choosing a Car Color? This One Is Safest If you're in the market for a new car this holiday season, choose one that is silver. According to a study by researchers at the University of Auckland in New Zealand that assessed the effect of car colors on the risk of serious injury in over 1,000 Auckland drivers between 1998-99, silver cars were 50 percent less likely to be involved in a crash resulting in serious injury when compared with white cars. - Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk DB __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeed Engineering Help
Morning Marshall, It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison in the bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be surprised if it does not help at this time. This has been my feelings also. However, Dr. Osborn reports doing this as much as 5 weeks after the bite with favorable results. We did the treatment about 7 PM. By 11 PM, I noticed a difference in the draining. A different color and viscosity. I bandage before going to sleep with a CS soaked bandage. This am more drainage was noticed than on previous nights. I leave the bandage off for periods during the day. This am, while walking around doing the very limited morning chores, drainage was such that it ran down to my sock. It had never done this before. I can use 3 fingers, pressing down, and moving them around the bite, within 1/2 inch, no pain, and the area seems softer. Something is happening differently. I have a number of treatments in line that I have not used yet simply because the wound is draining so well. I have had a number of simple infections ( simple boils ) that have been many times more painful than this spider bite. The absence of pain has amazed me. Last night a neighbor nurse called me and wanted me to come to the office where she works for cortisone and antibiotics. She said, one week of antibiotics will not kill you. I had to say, No thank you. Hopefully, I do not need these anytime soon. CS soaks, MSM soaks, and Epsom Salts soaks plus the Onion poultice when the swelling was bad ( about 3 days ) plus a barrage of supplements and vitamin C may have been the key to zero pain. I can only guess what the resulting effect would have been using conventional treatment of antibiotics. Wayne But if you try it and it does help, tell us. I would love to be wrong on this. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilver is Safer
Choosing a Car Color? This One Is Safest If you're in the market for a new car this holiday season, choose one that is silver. According to a study by researchers at the University of Auckland in New Zealand that assessed the effect of car colors on the risk of serious injury in over 1,000 Auckland drivers between 1998-99, silver cars were 50 percent less likely to be involved in a crash resulting in serious injury when compared with white cars. - Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk DB __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHealth via mind over body
For those with an interest in this route to health: http://www.immunics.org/ Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver is Safer
Greetings, This is contrary to my experience with a silver car (I live in Portland, OR). During late fall, winter, and spring (the rainy season) silver is difficult to see on grey days. I felt like people were trying to get me. Later I purchased a black car and didn't have the problem anymore. Here, it is my humble observation, that more older folks drive white cars...don't know why. I don't have access to stats on colors/accidents, etc. I will see if they are available. Interesting subject. Ciao, Craig Marshall Dudley wrote: Do they have an explaination? Is the silver easier to see, or people who select silver older or better drivers? Curious. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeed Engineering Help
sure wish someone would try a Violet Ray on one of these wounds. davido On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:12:02 -0500 Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com writes: Wayne Fugitt wrote: Very soon I will be applying high voltage to the spider bite, something I should have done two weeks ago. It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison in the bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be surprised if it does not help at this time. But if you try it and it does help, tell us. I would love to be wrong on this. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeed Engineering Help
sure wish someone would try a Violet Ray on one of these wounds. Yes, me too. I have a set of colored filters. Would you suggest the color and the light source. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeed Engineering Help
http://www.baar.com/vray.htm Wayne Fugitt wrote: sure wish someone would try a Violet Ray on one of these wounds. Yes, me too. I have a set of colored filters. Would you suggest the color and the light source. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
CSNeed engineering help
Rice University's electrical engineering laboratory has a good on-line report on amounts of hazardous electricity. (see website for lab course ELEC 241.) According to this, the threshold for ventricular fibrillation is given in watt-seconds, i.e. energy, not current. The threshold is 13.5 watt-seconds. I found a reference to possibly the first account in the Lancet of high-voltage shock as a substitute for anti-venin.It is the letter to the editor High Voltage Shock Treatment For Snake Bite by Ronald H. Guderian, Quito, Charles D. MacKenzie, London, and Jeffrey F. Williams, Michigan US. The Lancet, July 26, 1986, page 229. The Arianne Foundation is supplying stun guns for anti-venom applications to many hospitals and clinics around the world. Best wishes, Matthew
Re: CSNeed Engineering Help
the violet ray does not use filters [not to be confused with uv light, which would be interesting to try also] someone has posted a link to baar products who has the violet ray. I have two old timers purchased at 1-a yard sale, 2-at an antique dealer's in Vermont, 5 and 45 bucks respectively. Antique dealers have them in the catagory of QuackMedicalInstruments [ha ha]/ I really like the old timers [every farm house had one] better than the current models- my feeble attempts at measuring the freq seemed to indicate quite a difference, but it was so many years ago i forget what the difference was. I do recall, effectively, the old ones just seemed to be smoother as I used them; whatever that means. Old/vs\new applicators used in the same power unit [generally] will glow with differing color- [???indicating different gases used???] but I dont know that that effects the operation as much as the different freq. I have seen one used directly on the eyes [not enough nerve to try that on my me] but have used one about everywhere else. They can be kind of jarring and some find them uncomfortable if used where bones are close to the surface such as hands, ankles n the like. If you try one:, start with the lower settings, apply to the surface being treated with a kind of a tap from about 1 out [to reduce or avoid arching to the skin, which some find unpleasant] and.. keep it moving!! The old uns are for sure not UL-approved!!! caution I feel sure Bruce has pictures at the link given, for those not familiar with the violet ray. There are some antique dealers who specialize in quack-med-inst and there was one on eBay a while back [tho it looked in pretty tough condition] davido ps, the old timers cannot be used for too long of a duty cycle because they used a poorish insulating material that tends to overheat and melt. On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:14:14 -0600 Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com writes: sure wish someone would try a Violet Ray on one of these wounds. Yes, me too. I have a set of colored filters. Would you suggest the color and the light source. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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CSRe: Silver is Safer
Here, it is my humble observation, that more older folks drive white cars...don't know why.---Craig Yep---in Sun City, the senior community just outside of Phoenix, nearly every car is white. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CS for antacid?
...Took a swig and the burning stopped!---mamapug ...an attack (very rare for me these days) of acid, burning, etc, and CS worked to stop the pain. ...it really did work. I have fewer ideas than you about why this would be so.---paula Aloe is recommended for ulcers for its burn-treatment properties, maybe CS works similarly here. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHealth via mind over body
I've been looking at this myself but am having trouble connecting. Has anyone had any experience/success with this? I'm looking for something else to add to the arsenal as I am drinking at least a quart of CS a day and still having my herpes outbreaks!! :/ Ted --- Marshall Dudley mdudley-at-execonn.com |SilverList| pxvwhmurx...@sneakemail.com wrote: For those with an interest in this route to health: http://www.immunics.org/ Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
Re: CSHealth via mind over body
Evening Ted, the arsenal as I am drinking at least a quart of CS a day and still having my herpes outbreaks!! :/ Is that herpes simplex? Add 500 to 1000 mg of Lysine. Also there is a B vitamin I keep just for that. About once every two years, I have a small eruption. I take a few thousand mg per day as soon as I feel it of the B vitamin, B 6 I believe. Three or 4 things are supposed to help. You case may be different. No one claims CS is the solution to everything, do they? Just darn near it. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNeed Engineering Help
If the bite was that of a Brown Recluse, the main toxin is a potent long lasting vasoconstrictor. The tissue dies, not from the toxin, but from lack of blood supply. Other than the pain, there is no probably no harm in trying later. JOH -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wa...@fugitt.com] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:32 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNeed Engineering Help Morning Marshall, It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison in the bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be surprised if it does not help at this time. This has been my feelings also. However, Dr. Osborn reports doing this as much as 5 weeks after the bite with favorable results. We did the treatment about 7 PM. By 11 PM, I noticed a difference in the draining. A different color and viscosity. I bandage before going to sleep with a CS soaked bandage. This am more drainage was noticed than on previous nights. I leave the bandage off for periods during the day. This am, while walking around doing the very limited morning chores, drainage was such that it ran down to my sock. It had never done this before. I can use 3 fingers, pressing down, and moving them around the bite, within 1/2 inch, no pain, and the area seems softer. Something is happening differently. I have a number of treatments in line that I have not used yet simply because the wound is draining so well. I have had a number of simple infections ( simple boils ) that have been many times more painful than this spider bite. The absence of pain has amazed me. Last night a neighbor nurse called me and wanted me to come to the office where she works for cortisone and antibiotics. She said, one week of antibiotics will not kill you. I had to say, No thank you. Hopefully, I do not need these anytime soon. CS soaks, MSM soaks, and Epsom Salts soaks plus the Onion poultice when the swelling was bad ( about 3 days ) plus a barrage of supplements and vitamin C may have been the key to zero pain. I can only guess what the resulting effect would have been using conventional treatment of antibiotics. Wayne But if you try it and it does help, tell us. I would love to be wrong on this. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWhen the Pain
Evening JOH, The tissue dies, not from the toxin, but from lack of blood supply. Other than the pain, there is no probably no harm in trying later. I realize you meant pain from the stun gun, not pain from the bite. The pain factor has amazed me. Virtually zero, except After I have been lying down, such as sleeping all night, The first step, when the foot hits the floor, the pain in the bite area was tremendous. Much like a knife stab, or a strike on the shin. Each time the foot hit the floor, very high intensity pain. After I made it to the bathroom, about 10 steps ( I am taking shorter steps than normal, maybe two feet ) the pain would subside. This continued for about 3 days when the swelling was at the peak. Then, I could get two steps before the pain, then 3 or 4, ect. I considered this an improvement. If I took a nap during the day, the same thing happened. No pain while laying down. I really dreaded to get up and walk. But I was taking so much vitamin C and drinking lots of water as I always do, I had to get up frequently. Not excessively, maybe two times per night, three at most. When I get up, I would take more vitamin C, Magnesium, maybe Ca and A and D, and E and drink another glass of water. Finally, when I would walk those first steps with no pain, I felt I had won part of the battle. I considered this a built in progress indicator because I had a numerical value for the number of steps before the pain hit. I ordered another vitamin mineral, herb product called Life Glow Plus by Karl Loren. This product came in two weeks ago, the day I started spider bite treatment. I have been taking 10 to 15 of these per day, each one contains 51 different nutrients. There was only a 3 or 4 day period whereas I feel I did an overkill on the supplements. I increased E to 2400 IU. Since then, I have tapered off a bit, still above normal. I also used liquid potassium and Bufferered C from Bronson Labs. I am not sure the battle is over. I have felt really great the whole time. Today, after the high voltage, 27 hours ago, I honestly think I have felt better. This may be only a mental condition and placebo effect, but I think not. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver is Safer
hi all, silver and grey cars literally can disappear in overcast conditions. i live in ithaca, ny.. we have less sun than seattle wa.. if your car is grey or silver, than one HAS to run one's lights to alert other drivers of your presence. Greetings, This is contrary to my experience with a silver car (I live in Portland, OR). During late fall, winter, and spring (the rainy season) silver is difficult to see on grey days. I felt like people were trying to get me. Later I purchased a black car and didn't have the problem anymore. Here, it is my humble observation, that more older folks drive white cars...don't know why. I don't have access to stats on colors/accidents, etc. I will see if they are available. Interesting subject. Ciao, Craig Marshall Dudley wrote: Do they have an explaination? Is the silver easier to see, or people who select silver older or better drivers? Curious. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- best, willian
Re: CSHealth via mind over body
Hi Wayne, Yes, it is HSV, though I'm not sure if it is I or II but it consists of genital region outbreaks. I do take at least 1000mg of Lysine a day as well as Olive Leaf Extract, and Red Marine Algae. I've also been trying GSE as well. I guess I need to break down and get some Larreastat again as that did seem to help. I just hate having to pay double what I used to for it since it changed distributorship. That makes it much more difficult to afford. I will give the vit B6 a try. Ted --- Wayne Fugitt wayne-at-fugitt.com |SilverList| i2m7hnds5...@sneakemail.com wrote: Evening Ted, the arsenal as I am drinking at least a quart of CS a day and still having my herpes outbreaks!! :/ Is that herpes simplex? Add 500 to 1000 mg of Lysine. Also there is a B vitamin I keep just for that. About once every two years, I have a small eruption. I take a few thousand mg per day as soon as I feel it of the B vitamin, B 6 I believe. Three or 4 things are supposed to help. You case may be different. No one claims CS is the solution to everything, do they? Just darn near it. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
Re: CSRe: Silver is Safer
Yep---in Sun City, the senior community just outside of Phoenix, nearly every car is white. jr Well, Duh! White is cooler, in that desert heat!!! Been there, suffered that... :oP Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMicro-amps and Watch Batteries
Thanks to both gentlemen for the reply. I am glad to see such caveats. Let's keep our eyes peeled for a good custom-made venom neutralizer. One of these stun-gun companies must recognize the market potential . . . . JBB On Friday, Dec 19, 2003, at 23:16 Asia/Tokyo, Matthew McCann PE wrote: G'Morning, Jon and Wayne, Wayne is correct in that I was contemplating a variety of possible situations. The presence of an assistant would help prevent too many hands and legs of one person getting involved. An assistant could also apply CPR in case of an accidental ventricular fibrillation. Don't depend on just the plastic handle's insulation.Maxwell's equations predict surface currents can flow on dielectric interfaces. Also, the stun gun generates higher voltages than some Wimhurst machines and even Van de Graff generators. Both exhibit arcing across air gaps. Best wishes, Matthew
CSThe Missing Link
Hi everyone, as many of you know I've been fighting a battle against arthritis for several years now and I've been making some good progress here lately. Within the last 3 or 4 days my progress has been even faster because of someone reminding me of some old posts on the list archives about using CS with Gatorade. I think Mike really hit the nail on the head a few weeks ago when we were all talking about someone on the list who had cured their Lyme disease by taking 2 teaspoons of CS a day. Mike said something to the effect of he was amazed because most of us measure the CS in terms of gulps or glass fulls instead of spoons. This really got me to thinking about the situation. CS definitely kills whatever is causing my arthritis (Lyme) but I can never get it to the deep places where I really need it. Daddybob made a post to another group that reminded me of the old Gatorade topic that was posted here in months and years past. I am really starting to believe that the reason some people aren't helped by CS is because they can't assimilate it in their body. I know that Nancy has been saying all along to everyone who has serious diseases that they should add 1 drop of H2o2 to every 2 ounces of CSwhat she failed to say in most posts is that she had been adding gatorade to every glassful to make it taste better. Then I found the research of Brooks Bradley on the subject of adding ringers solution (similar to gatorade) to the cs and finding that it made the concentration of the cs much higher in the blood. I decided to put this to the test about 4 days ago and this is the very first time I've ever had to DECREASE my intake of CS. I am having such severe herx symptoms with the CS/Gatorade that I've had to cease use for a few days. This is coming from a guy who has on many an occasion drank more than a gallon a day of pure CS. I started this practice with 15 ounces of CS with another 5 or 6 ounces of gatorade mixed in. This is too much~!!!.the spirochetes in my joints are screaming at me and this is a really BIG shock to me..I've been fighting this over and overpulling my hair out trying to figure out how and why some people are helped and some arn't.particularly with lyme disease. I really feel that this could be the big breakthrough for mealong with the recent addition of the high power magnetic pulser that many of us are having great success with. If you have tried CS in the past for your condition without results..try it again with gatorade .the difference is very astounding. Thanks Brooks Bradley and all others who have helped with all the research.Robb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Silver is Safer
Greetings, Well, Duh! White is cooler, in that desert heat!!! Been there, suffered that... :oP Marshalee So, Marshalee...how does the well, duh account for the preponderance of older folks here (Portland, OR) where the heat isn't such an issue? I too have been there and suffered that, a long time ago. In terms of 'solar gain' silver isn't that far away from white...Yes it is more, but not that much more. Kindest regards, Craig -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Silver is Safer
To clarify...'the preponderance of older folks driving white cars' Kindest regards, Craig -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
