CSPPM change to CS by adding 3% H2O2
Fellow CS/EISers: In order to loosely document the effect on PPM when drugstore hydrogen peroxide (3% H2O2) is added to home-brewed colloidal silver, I recently made the following test: At the end of one of my larger batches, 20 ml of H2O2 was added. Batch was stirred continuously throughout this test. Another 20 ml of H2O2 was added, 10 ml per addition, at two other times. The below table shows the results: Date Time MicroSiemens (µS) --|--|-- 040407 18006.68 (End-of-batch, added 20 ml H2O2) 040407 21008.66 040407 2300 10.05 (Added another 10 ml H2O2) 040408 0400 11.31 040408 0600 13.18 040408 1600 15.78 (Added another 10 ml H2O2) 040409 1800 16.15 040410 0630 17.15 040410 1730 17.78 040411 0730 18.37 040411 0930 18.68 040411 1300 18.98 040411 1430 19.07 The resulting increase in PPM was a little startling. QUESTION -- Does anybody know if it would be detrimental to the quality of generated CS if this much H2O2 was added to DW at the beginning of the electrolytic process? Specifics: 1) Freshly completed, 32 hour batch, PPM = 24.86 (Herx13 spreadsheet) 2) LVDC system, 1 ma current limited, paddle-stirred at 36RPM. 3) RO distilled DW, 5.18 liters, conductivity = 1.78 µS. 4) Anode - spiral of 34, , #12 AWG, Ag wire, 7 submerged. 5) Cathode - stainless steel rod, 1/4 diameter, 7 submerged. 6) Glass generating jar. 7) Benchtop conductivity meter, 0.2% accuracy @ 25C. Thanks all, Jimmy Joe _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Dr. Jon Or Whoever
I think it's time to move this thread to the Off Topic list. Please. I'm under the impression that this Co-op is under the control of somebody other than Fason nowadays, anyway? If they're not creating problems for people *now*, then I'd say it's a moot point what happened in the past. Obviously the prinicples of due diligence and buyer beware still play. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner Tel writes: I wonder why these cling on's are so quick to point out the speck in someone's eye? I have helped in the formation, and was instrumental in testing some of the Coop products, I helped introduce the Coop to this site. I have used their products when they were in Hardy, Ark. and still do now that they are in Florida. Please go stand on a street corner some where out of my way and complain about people who serve the world. so I don't have to read this Crap. Tel Tofflemnire Dewey, AZ gu...@ourhealthcoop.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWebsite - Who is Dr. Jon
I think if a thorough discussion of this matter is desired that I'd like it to take place on the Off Topic List. (Links at bottom of message!) Y'all can post there without joining, and can read it at the web archive until you're satisfied. Want it in e-mail? Then follow the instructions to be found at the Silver List web site. I'll referee. duck! Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner .. It's not gossip. If you read the website carefully, you'll see that this man and his organization have bilked trusting Nutritional Co-op customers of money, sent them inferior products, or sent them no products at all. some time after i joined the silver list, this same attack on this guy was going on here. your name rings a bell as being one of the detractors. i've been a member of this co-op since it started. i would like for you to state, unequivically, just what supports the three charges you made in that quote above. in all my readings of your postings, you allude to things but you have never backed up anything. put up, or shut up! jim [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: Dr. Jon Or Whoever
I wonder why these cling on's are so quick to point out the speck in someone's eye? I have helped in the formation, and was instrumental in testing some of the Coop products, I helped introduce the Coop to this site. I have used their products when they were in Hardy, Ark. and still do now that they are in Florida. Please go stand on a street corner some where out of my way and complain about people who serve the world. so I don't have to read this Crap. Tel Tofflemnire Dewey, AZ gu...@ourhealthcoop.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS safety
William Meyer said: ..you are creating all kinds of silver compounds by mixing the ionic silver with other substances. No, William, compounds are not created by putting two or more minerals together in the same container. Otherwise all liquid mineral supplements would be dangerous, because we could not know what compounds might have formed from all those minerals mixed together in the supplement. The dynamic that forms compounds is the electrolytic process that is the foundation of how we make CS. We avoid using mineralized water to make CS because we FEAR the possibility that such compounds may be created. This fear is, in my opinion, almost paranoid in intensity. If the presence of a few minerals in the distilled water that most of us use (a few minerals that might have gotten in by not thoroughly rinsing the jars we make CS in), was even 1/100th as dangerous or risky as people fear, then it would be absolute catastrophe to use tap or river water, and we would have heard of numerous reports of the consequences of it. In fact, folks all over the world use water we wouldn't even drink to make CS. Where are the blue people? Not only can the FDA not produce any reports in the US of anyone having any toxic or agyrious consequences from any CS that is not made to be a compound (silver nitrate, etc.), they don't even know of anyone in the WORLD who has done so (Yes, I'm sure they will soon be using Stan Jones as ammunition). Everyone on this List has heard of how folks used to put a silver dollar in a bottle of milk to retard spoilage. What kind of compounds would you be afraid of happening there? But no one turned blue of had any liver damage that I ever heard of. I don't want to turn into some kind of Champion of The Safety of Silver, but I am watching the level of fear on this List of the possibility of making a mistake when making CS continue to grow and grow. People talk about making a bad batch of CS, which I assume means CS that is cloudy or has color. I have never thrown away a batch yet. Before I started using a timer to shut off my batches, I would occasionally over-cook one, 'till it was coffee-colored. I would drink it anyway. Stan Jones did it everyday, and it still took over two years before his supposed argyria occured. To follow this over-cautious mentality that I am seeing nowadays, it would be dangerous to even take CS after meals, because it might form a compound with the minerals in your food! After nearly five years of freely guzzling CS (with the only result of almost no sickness in my family), I have seen, heard or read nothing that shakes my confidence in the absolute safety of CS/EIS. Terry Chamberlin __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS safety
There is a large gap between the paranoia and irrational fear you are talking about Terry and what the rest of the list is addressing. Which is good methodology and procedures. There is no substitute for good methodologies and they are in and of themselves worthy of pursuing. I do not buy into your vision of all of those who are interested in proper methodologies as fearful and paranoid. And the fact that you have not seen blue people nor turned blue yourself means nothing to those who simply want to do it right for the sake of making a pure product. This is a worthy goal in and of itself. The side benefit is that one can rest well knowing that one is consuming no silver salts. And yes minerals do interact outside of the process of electrolysis, otherwise we would all be dead as they would not interact properly in our bodies. Your heart would not be beating in your chest right now if your assumptions were correct. Take a look at how a never impulse or action potential is propagated in any good physiology text book. Garnet On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 11:02, Terry Chamberlin wrote: William Meyer said: ..you are creating all kinds of silver compounds by mixing the ionic silver with other substances. No, William, compounds are not created by putting two or more minerals together in the same container. Otherwise all liquid mineral supplements would be dangerous, because we could not know what compounds might have formed from all those minerals mixed together in the supplement. The dynamic that forms compounds is the electrolytic process that is the foundation of how we make CS. We avoid using mineralized water to make CS because we FEAR the possibility that such compounds may be created. This fear is, in my opinion, almost paranoid in intensity. If the presence of a few minerals in the distilled water that most of us use (a few minerals that might have gotten in by not thoroughly rinsing the jars we make CS in), was even 1/100th as dangerous or risky as people fear, then it would be absolute catastrophe to use tap or river water, and we would have heard of numerous reports of the consequences of it. In fact, folks all over the world use water we wouldn't even drink to make CS. Where are the blue people? Not only can the FDA not produce any reports in the US of anyone having any toxic or agyrious consequences from any CS that is not made to be a compound (silver nitrate, etc.), they don't even know of anyone in the WORLD who has done so (Yes, I'm sure they will soon be using Stan Jones as ammunition). Everyone on this List has heard of how folks used to put a silver dollar in a bottle of milk to retard spoilage. What kind of compounds would you be afraid of happening there? But no one turned blue of had any liver damage that I ever heard of. I don't want to turn into some kind of Champion of The Safety of Silver, but I am watching the level of fear on this List of the possibility of making a mistake when making CS continue to grow and grow. People talk about making a bad batch of CS, which I assume means CS that is cloudy or has color. I have never thrown away a batch yet. Before I started using a timer to shut off my batches, I would occasionally over-cook one, 'till it was coffee-colored. I would drink it anyway. Stan Jones did it everyday, and it still took over two years before his supposed argyria occured. To follow this over-cautious mentality that I am seeing nowadays, it would be dangerous to even take CS after meals, because it might form a compound with the minerals in your food! After nearly five years of freely guzzling CS (with the only result of almost no sickness in my family), I have seen, heard or read nothing that shakes my confidence in the absolute safety of CS/EIS. Terry Chamberlin __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTerry's 2 cents
Very well said. I would like to add that to this site, with your permission. http://argyria.info Bill
Re: CSCS safety
At 11:25 AM 4/11/2004 -0500, Garnet wrote: I do not buy into your vision of all of those who are interested in proper methodologies as fearful and paranoid. I do, except for the word all, which he never used is his post. And just what does that slippery term proper methodologies mean? We're all experimenters here, last I heard. Yes, Terry. This world runs primarily on fear of just about everything. stuff -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS safety
Standard laboratory procedures. On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 14:40, Stuff wrote: At 11:25 AM 4/11/2004 -0500, Garnet wrote: I do not buy into your vision of all of those who are interested in proper methodologies as fearful and paranoid. I do, except for the word all, which he never used is his post. And just what does that slippery term proper methodologies mean? We're all experimenters here, last I heard. Yes, Terry. This world runs primarily on fear of just about everything. stuff -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: finger method cs generation
Unless there has been a sudden reversal of policy, most modern practice is to run a bead of optical Tetracycline cream across each eyeball shortly after birth. They may have switched to another antibiotic. I suppose that Silver Nitrate may be used in impoverished areas of the world because it costs so much less. I think that one drop was placed in the inner canthus. I do not recall the concentration. It stings, and the Tetracycline does not. JOH -Original Message- From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 5:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: finger method cs generation At 08:32 AM 4/9/2004 -0500, Garnet wrote: The lethal dose of Silver Nitrate in mice is 50 mg/kg. In humans the lethal dose of Silver salts is 1 gram. So yes there are risks for those who do not educate themselves and exercise due caution in their set up. And yet it's used for *external* application... Most doctors treat newborns with silver nitrate or other medicine to keep them from getting gonorrhea in the eyes, which can cause blindness. http://www.idph.state.il.us/about/womenshealth/factsheets/std.htm What is NOT mentioned here is that it's applied to the eyes [a doctor told me] in some fashion that I'm not particularly aware of...on the eyeball or what? stuff -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Dr. Jon Stephen Fason
Any tax that is not consented to is extortion. JOH -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 5:08 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Dr. Jon Stephen Fason Democracy, where you get to vote for the leaders of the gang that dominates your 'hood vs just accepting the meanest one around. The best of all bad situations? All gangs demand protection money. [From 'that' gang and other gangs.] At least they build roads and put out fires. Ode If it's an Army of One why isn't that guy in the recruiting office out there doing his job? At 06:13 PM 4/9/2004 -0500, you wrote: It's that time of year again where we're all happy to give them what they squeeze out of us, isn't it. he, he... stuff At 11:25 AM 4/9/2004 -0400, you wrote: I know how you feel. Last year my taxes exceeded my income! They are heartless. Marshall M. G. Devour wrote: Hi folks, I think it would be best if we continued discussion of Dr. Jon aka Stephen Fason on the Off Topic List. (See link at bottom of message.) HEADLINE: 'TAX CHEAT' SENTENCED TO PRISON As far as I'm concerned, being a tax cheat is no great dishonor. The only reason I pay taxes is because if I don't, people with guns will come and arrest me, take my home, and murder me where I stand if I dare to resist their aggression. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
