Re: CS>telephone CS maker
Evening Marshall, No that should not cause a problem unless you are in contact with the water or electrodes when it rings. Everyone needs to experience this shock a few times. Most people can not imagine how the 75 to 90 VAC feels. Most cannot imagine how 750 VDC feels. Very few indeed have experienced a lightning bolt that leave the face numb for a few hours. After that, I never talk on the phone during a thunderstorm. I was in a large metal building, the line took a good hit someplace. I could taste blood in the mouth and the face and jaw felt like I just got out of the dentist chair. After all that, I experienced the Stun Gun. I think the lightening bolt delivered more voltage and more power than the Stun Gun. I can't estimate the pulse length of either. I know that you are glad when it is over. The Ringing Voltage, incoming calls or outgoing calls all seem fully compatible with the phone line tester. Of course OFF hook time must be subtracted from total time as the 52 VDC disappears. The real problem is that this is against the Federal law enforced by the FCC. I don't doubt your sanity and the fact that you are right about this. However, I have many phone accessories that draw several times the current of the CS Gen / Phone Line Tester. I have even built circuits and installed them that worked with phone lines. Possibly all of these were violations also. So, these other devices have to be approved and tested to be legal? This little gadget is built into a surface phone terminal block. The Telephone line input jack is still there. Out the other side are two short wires ( about 8 to 10 inches, 20 ga stranded ) with alligator clips. For the benefit of Homeland Security and Airport Security, the device is clearly labeled, "Phone Line Tester". On the back are instructions for testing the phone line. One statement says, "Not for use with Digital Systems". One LED is near the center. To test the phone line, simply plug in a line and short the alligator clips together. If the LED glows full brilliance, the phone line is good. No illumination or a dim glow indicates a possibly bad phone line. Testing the phone line by using two electrodes submerged in distilled water is a better method of testing. The gadget is amazingly simple. It is a bit hard to assemble. The tip and ring reversal is the best feature. No matter what the polarity of the phone lines, the red lead is always positive and the black is always negative. Of course the Electrodes have no polarity preference, but the LED does. I never saw a unit like this. My mickey mouse design is original. I will try to get a picture over the week end. Compared to the 3 X 9's, it works relatively fast. You could make a 6 X 9 and do the same thing. The advantage of this little tester is that it fits into the shirt pocket. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Nature-Kleen ozone
Hi, Finally got a chance to hook up the new ozone machine and was highly impressed with it. My sister made up a bit over a pint for me to drink and while it had a strong odor, the taste was great. I found out she used chlorinated tap water on the first one. I had nearly an immediate reaction of prickling skin that went away fairly soon. Then, I found myself hoeing around some tomato plants for my Mother and sister and then mulching them, which is unusual in itself because usually I'm tired out from all the chores. I asked my sister to make one more glass but this time to use the filtered water. The smell would nearly knock you over for she left it on a bit longer than was suggested but the taste was great. Just a slight tingling of my forearms and that was all but again, only half as much water. I told her I would try the CS on the next drink but suddenly remembered my goats needed a gate opened to the grazing and had to run. My Mother asked me if the bugs were bothering me as much as they were her and I found they weren't bothering me at all. Not sure what to make of this. The next time I will try a pint with CS and see if there is a big difference. Really do think it gave it me energy. Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: [ALERT] USA Today Ad is out!
I have no idea what this is about but I have sent no messages to this group. Linda S. Central Ohio Poms and More Rescue Franklin County Columbus, Ohio pom...@wowway.com http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/OH351.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OAOSRQ/ Join US! All shelters are welcome to post! "I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of the whole human being." ~Abraham Lincoln "Don't just question animal abuse. Interrogate it, impugn it, tear it down, dismember it, bury it, and when the mood strikes you, dance on its grave!" Until one has loved an animal, a part of ones soul remains unawakened ~Anatole France This is not spam! If you do not want to receive emails from me, please email me at pom...@wowway.com with subject line REMOVE and I will remove you from my email list. Do not forward this email without my permission! - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: "Ted and Linda Gay" ; Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:29 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: [ALERT] USA Today Ad is out! > Ummm, Ted and/or Linda? > > It's a VERRRYYY bad idea to blast a message indiscriminately to > everybody on your address list... You end up sending politically > oriented stuff to places like the Silver List where such things are > *NOT* permitted! > > Folks, would you *please* not respond to Ted & Linda's mistake? > > Thank you. > > Be well, > > Mike Devour > Silver List owner > > tlgay wrote: > > "Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the > > character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless, > > and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, > > and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave, and pure, it is because > > the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national > > legislature." - James Garfield - Original Message - From: > > "ConservativeAlerts.com" To: "Linda Gay" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: > > [ALERT] USA Today Ad is out! > > > > > > > This CONSERVATIVE ALERT is a special message from > > > RightMarch.com for Linda Gay: > > > > > > ALERT: YOU DID IT! Our full-page USA Today ad is OUT! > > > > > > WAY TO GO! View the ad here: > > > > > > http://www.rightmarch.com > > [munch] > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Fw: [ALERT] USA Today Ad is out!
Ummm, Ted and/or Linda? It's a VERRRYYY bad idea to blast a message indiscriminately to everybody on your address list... You end up sending politically oriented stuff to places like the Silver List where such things are *NOT* permitted! Folks, would you *please* not respond to Ted & Linda's mistake? Thank you. Be well, Mike Devour Silver List owner tlgay wrote: > "Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the > character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless, > and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, > and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave, and pure, it is because > the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national > legislature." - James Garfield - Original Message - From: > "ConservativeAlerts.com" To: "Linda Gay" > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: > [ALERT] USA Today Ad is out! > > > > This CONSERVATIVE ALERT is a special message from > > RightMarch.com for Linda Gay: > > > > ALERT: YOU DID IT! Our full-page USA Today ad is OUT! > > > > WAY TO GO! View the ad here: > > > > http://www.rightmarch.com [munch] [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>DMSO + Protein Coating
Penetration is not the right term. Prions *are* a protien, that is a chain of amino acids, with some folding and cross linking. There is nothing to penetrate, but the chain could be altered. DMSO destroys the protien coating on some viruses, but is not known to destroy or alter all protiens. That said it's effect on prions is not tested to my knowledge. But I betcha someone somewhere is looking real close at it. Garnet http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 12:57, Thora Rasmussen wrote: > I have followed some of the discussion on DMSO entering or destroying the > coating on proteins. Now, if that is true, then does that follow that > Prions, with are a deformed protein, could be penetrated by DMSO? > > Thora > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>telephone CS maker
Never mind the FCC. Would you really like to get on the wrong side of your telephone company? Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.abeland1.com - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:31 AM Subject: Re: CS>telephone CS maker > Dave Lewis wrote: > > > >Wayne, > > >Would you kindly post your instructions for using a > > >phone outlet to make CS? I'm sure I'm not the only one > > >interested. > > > > This is all very well, as the telephone system runs 47-50 DC, but the > > problem comes when the line rings. AFAIK, there is a 90 V AC imposed on the > > line when someone calls it. Wouldn't this mess things up a bit? Perhaps > > No that should not cause a problem unless you are in contact with the water or > electrodes when it rings. The real problem is that this is against the Federal > law enforced by the FCC. > > Marshall > > > > > not? > > > > Dave. > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.706 / Virus Database: 462 - Release Date: 6/22/2004
CS>Fw: [ALERT] USA Today Ad is out!
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CS>DMSO + Protein Coating
I have followed some of the discussion on DMSO entering or destroying the coating on proteins. Now, if that is true, then does that follow that Prions, with are a deformed protein, could be penetrated by DMSO? Thora -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Degenerative disk disease
I have a relative who has recently been diagnosed with degenerative disk disease. Her siatic (sp?) nerve is currently pinching, so that she has a very painful leg. Any suggestions that I could pass on to her for pain relief and prevention of worsening and reversal of this condition would be appreciated. Feel free to email me privately if need be. Thora Canada mailto:mugg...@rockies.net -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>telephone CS maker
Dave Lewis wrote: > >Wayne, > >Would you kindly post your instructions for using a > >phone outlet to make CS? I'm sure I'm not the only one > >interested. > > This is all very well, as the telephone system runs 47-50 DC, but the > problem comes when the line rings. AFAIK, there is a 90 V AC imposed on the > line when someone calls it. Wouldn't this mess things up a bit? Perhaps No that should not cause a problem unless you are in contact with the water or electrodes when it rings. The real problem is that this is against the Federal law enforced by the FCC. Marshall > > not? > > Dave. > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>telephone CS maker
>Wayne, >Would you kindly post your instructions for using a >phone outlet to make CS? I'm sure I'm not the only one >interested. This is all very well, as the telephone system runs 47-50 DC, but the problem comes when the line rings. AFAIK, there is a 90 V AC imposed on the line when someone calls it. Wouldn't this mess things up a bit? Perhaps not? Dave. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS supplier needed in Southern California
Steve wrote: > Las Vegas. cs at 15 ppm from my Silvergen SG6. $12 for 8oz in an amber > glass bottle plus shipping. Steve As guidance for Steve and others in the future, the above ought to have been sent privately rather than to the list. Commercial activity is kept strictly limited for the sake of preventing wars from breaking out between various vendors, distributors, or suppliers. If it involves sales, prices, or, God forbid, comparisons of features or whatever... it *definitely* belongs in private e-mail. We have some vendors who participate regularly who have been proven over time to behave responsibly. I'll give them a little more leash. Others need to consult with me privately before posting anything that may be seen as promotional or marketing material. See the list rules at http://www.silverlist.org ... Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>telephone CS maker
Wayne, Would you kindly post your instructions for using a phone outlet to make CS? I'm sure I'm not the only one interested. Thanks __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ozone water
Depends on why you are ozonating. The bacteria that the ozone kills stay dead, so the water can be kept for later use. But if you are wanting the ozone, that sticks around for only a few minutes before reducing back to oxygen and degassing. Marshall "oldgl...@bigcountry.net" wrote: > Hi, > > My Mother is using a Nature-Kleen to ozonate some drinking water for the > first time. > > Does anyone know if you can make up this special water and put a lid on it, > to keep for future use, or do you have to make it up fresh every time? > > We will try some CS in the ozonated water after we try the first glass > without CS. We want to see how it tastes. > > Thank you, > > Jean Baugh > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS> Home brewing problems
> ### 200 microamps is 2 milliamps, right? No, I meant 0.2ma. I think this water is quite pure. Here were the results of another (more documented) test. 200ml of de-ionised water. 2, 99. silver electrodes - 1.6mm dia and 45mm into the water. PSU voltage at the terminals was 37.0V Initial current was 0.197ma after 10 mins 0.145ma after 20 mins 0.3ma after 30 mins 0.44ma after 40 mins 0.59ma after 50 mins 0.8ma The solution was stirred with a glass stirrer throughout. One of the electrodes turned a little black, but there was some foreign bodied floating about (probably due to wiping the electrodes with a paper towel before the start). There were no bubbles or clouds on either terminal. The finished solution does not look any different. >Electrode deposits are an extreme variable. [Just guessing from eyeball >observations..10% to 60% ??] Using the faraday calculator (excel spread sheet), it says about 6.91ppm, so from what you say it could be from 2.76 to 6.22 ppm. >From what I have read, this sounds like an ionic solution with a very small particle size due to a low current. Is this a correct assumption? Dave. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re:Posion Ivy Treatment
Just curious what you have used Oregano Oil for? I have heard it is good for psoriasis. Garnet On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 08:26, Charles Sutton wrote: > I use Oregano Oil for a variety of things, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re:Posion Ivy Treatment
I use Oregano Oil for a variety of things, but this is a first. Thanks. I know it burns quite a bit if used straight, did you dilute it at all?? - Original Message - From: "Robb Allen" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: CS>Re:Posion Ivy Treatment > The best thing I have ever tired is oregano oilit will KILL poison > ivy in a few hours...GONE.works for me...Robb (I remembered to trim, aren't you pleased?) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> Home brewing problems
Using Faradays equations doesn't account for silver oxide formation, fallout and plateout. [ie waste] It will tell you how much silver got off an electrode, but doesn't say where it went. Electrode deposits are an extreme variable. [Just guessing from eyeball observations..10% to 60% ??] If you can accurately weigh them [I can't] and subtract that from the total..then you'll have something. If you can weigh them, you can probably also weigh the before and after difference in the electrodes with the deposits on them...considering oxygen content of the oxides. The remainder would be in the water..or sitting on the bottom. Ode At 06:25 PM 6/23/2004 +0100, you wrote: > >> Is there any way of finding the PPM with the starting and ending current? >(a >> formula) >> > >Try Herx13's spreadsheet for just this purpose: >http://www.silvermedicine.org/faradaycalculator.html > >Yours >Kay > >Kay Jennings >Bristol >England >mailto:somer...@tinyworld.co.uk > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Bit of a worry as advice?
Morning John, Everyone seems to worry too much about the CS process, making perfect CS, and all the technicalities. Just got this from here:http://www.zapperplans.com/silver.html Does this sound ok to you experts? Several items in that list goes against mainstream information. This alone does not make these ponts right or wrong. When I first started making CS, knowing little or nothing, I used a NOTEPAD. That will really brew great CS. I used a current meter along with the note pad. I logged current flow relative to time. For the first 10 to 20 batches, I continued to do this. Normally I like technical and complicated devices and processes. Somehow, I have never been that concerned about 95 % of the WORRIES that most people are concerned with. My CS works, it is good enough for me. Until I decide one day, to make a better device, likely computer controlled with data logging in real time, maybe even graphs on the screen, auto cut off, variable voltage, variable current, bells and whistles, integrated voice chips, and you name it, my two bit telephone line generator which uses no batteries and a no cost power source will be the unit I use. Do you want one? I trust you have telephones there and they work on DC voltage do they not? Likely you have a more sophisticated unit already. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> Home brewing problems
I think 200 microamps is 0.2 milliamps (micro=millionths milli=thousandths), 2 milliamps would be 2000 microamps. Paul H - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: RE: CS> Home brewing problems > > ### 200 microamps is 2 milliamps, right? > Some people stop at 20 milliamps..I prefer to keep the current down to 1 > millamp per square inch of exposed electrode and stop at some voltage. [At > the very least, a graph made that way levels off so you can read it and > predict something with reaonable accuracy VS trying to get meaningful > resolution off a ski jump curve] > It takes a lot longer to do it that way though. [hours, not a just few > minutes] > > One simple way to handle current and calibration is to make the electrodes > movable along a ruler. > Keeping the current constant by moving the electrodes apart will > automatically give you a linear readout on the ruler where 'X' inches = 'Y' > conductivity. > > >Anyway, with an ammeter in line with the electrodes, I can see a current of > >150 micro amps which has risen to about 200 micro amps in 10 minutes. > >There are no bubbles or white, grey wisps coming off the other. > > > >Is there any way of finding the PPM with the starting and ending current? (a > >formula) > ### You can do that, in essence, making a conductivity meter out of the > generator setup which has it's own weirdnesses and inaacuracies but is > better than nothing. > It will be entirely dependent on water temperature, electrode spacing, > electrode size and voltage [or current] held constant, so ANY little change > in the setup will throw it off. > Electrode deposits can significantly change readings and simply moving the > electrodes a little will make a reading rise or fall [spike], then stabilize. > If no or insufficient stirring is being used, a reading will only apply to > a localized area in the water...not all of the water. > Since no two individual setups are exactly the same, there cannot be an > easy formula. > Change one thing, even a little, and EVERYTHING else changes with it. > Nail every variable element down, plot a current rise per time period > graph and compare readings with a good meter to make a chart. > Then send samples to a good lab to determine if the graph and chart is > somewhere in the ballpark for your setup. > The graph will look like a ski jump after a while using constant > voltage...now what part of this nearly vertical line is what PPM? > > Meters don't read PPM..nor do generators being used 'as' a meter. There is > no specific direct correlation between PPM and water conductivity [which > 'is' related to current draw at a set voltage] that always holds true even > when using the same generator setup. You can get "close" ,as in, educated > guess, within a given range. > That means that every sample must come from it's own seperate batch run > exactly the same way.. in every way.. because taking the sample will change > the batch. > > The stronger you make it, the more particles will form faster and > faster..the 'whisps' [you can't see ions and ions are what do the > conducting of electricity, not particles]..and PPM/conductivity/ammeters > don't register particles at all. > On top of that, particles form later on, so readings change too...and > those changes are volume related as well. A small batch won't change the > same as a larger one. > > > If you are very careful, you can get a good idea. > If you don't take everything into consideration, you'll get a bad idea and > won't know it. > > The saving grace, however, is that exact PPM really doesn't matter much. > Your taste buds and eyeballs alone give you a pretty good idea of how much > to use in an environment where no one person "really" knows how much to use > for what and how, even if they DID have the exact PPM figures. > > There simply are no dosing standards that I've heard of that make any > sense at all. > Without exception,[so far] recommendations totally leave out critical > elementary factors such as application technique, purpose, location and > body weight. > > "Enough" works just fine. > If it worked, it was enough. > Several small doses a day are probably much better than one big one. > > "Too much" is the hardest part to accomplish. It might even be impossible > [up to a point] with water being as toxic as it is along with the > difficulties involved with making CS very strong AND 'not sludge'. > > You 'can' get into trouble using a lot of sludge for a long period of > time...even then, unlikely. > > If it looks like crap, it probably is. If it doesn't look like crap, it's > probably under 30 PPM..most likely under 15 PPM ..even 5 PPM > sometimes...using constant voltage. > > Making nice looking stable CS at over 20 PPM is usually an 'iffy' affair. > > Ode > > > >Thanks, > >Brian. > > > > > >-- > >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > >Instruction
RE: CS> Home brewing problems
### 200 microamps is 2 milliamps, right? Some people stop at 20 milliamps..I prefer to keep the current down to 1 millamp per square inch of exposed electrode and stop at some voltage. [At the very least, a graph made that way levels off so you can read it and predict something with reaonable accuracy VS trying to get meaningful resolution off a ski jump curve] It takes a lot longer to do it that way though. [hours, not a just few minutes] One simple way to handle current and calibration is to make the electrodes movable along a ruler. Keeping the current constant by moving the electrodes apart will automatically give you a linear readout on the ruler where 'X' inches = 'Y' conductivity. >Anyway, with an ammeter in line with the electrodes, I can see a current of >150 micro amps which has risen to about 200 micro amps in 10 minutes. >There are no bubbles or white, grey wisps coming off the other. > >Is there any way of finding the PPM with the starting and ending current? (a >formula) ### You can do that, in essence, making a conductivity meter out of the generator setup which has it's own weirdnesses and inaacuracies but is better than nothing. It will be entirely dependent on water temperature, electrode spacing, electrode size and voltage [or current] held constant, so ANY little change in the setup will throw it off. Electrode deposits can significantly change readings and simply moving the electrodes a little will make a reading rise or fall [spike], then stabilize. If no or insufficient stirring is being used, a reading will only apply to a localized area in the water...not all of the water. Since no two individual setups are exactly the same, there cannot be an easy formula. Change one thing, even a little, and EVERYTHING else changes with it. Nail every variable element down, plot a current rise per time period graph and compare readings with a good meter to make a chart. Then send samples to a good lab to determine if the graph and chart is somewhere in the ballpark for your setup. The graph will look like a ski jump after a while using constant voltage...now what part of this nearly vertical line is what PPM? Meters don't read PPM..nor do generators being used 'as' a meter. There is no specific direct correlation between PPM and water conductivity [which 'is' related to current draw at a set voltage] that always holds true even when using the same generator setup. You can get "close" ,as in, educated guess, within a given range. That means that every sample must come from it's own seperate batch run exactly the same way.. in every way.. because taking the sample will change the batch. The stronger you make it, the more particles will form faster and faster..the 'whisps' [you can't see ions and ions are what do the conducting of electricity, not particles]..and PPM/conductivity/ammeters don't register particles at all. On top of that, particles form later on, so readings change too...and those changes are volume related as well. A small batch won't change the same as a larger one. If you are very careful, you can get a good idea. If you don't take everything into consideration, you'll get a bad idea and won't know it. The saving grace, however, is that exact PPM really doesn't matter much. Your taste buds and eyeballs alone give you a pretty good idea of how much to use in an environment where no one person "really" knows how much to use for what and how, even if they DID have the exact PPM figures. There simply are no dosing standards that I've heard of that make any sense at all. Without exception,[so far] recommendations totally leave out critical elementary factors such as application technique, purpose, location and body weight. "Enough" works just fine. If it worked, it was enough. Several small doses a day are probably much better than one big one. "Too much" is the hardest part to accomplish. It might even be impossible [up to a point] with water being as toxic as it is along with the difficulties involved with making CS very strong AND 'not sludge'. You 'can' get into trouble using a lot of sludge for a long period of time...even then, unlikely. If it looks like crap, it probably is. If it doesn't look like crap, it's probably under 30 PPM..most likely under 15 PPM ..even 5 PPM sometimes...using constant voltage. Making nice looking stable CS at over 20 PPM is usually an 'iffy' affair. Ode > >Thanks, >Brian. > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Super Silver
I don't see any reference to "supersilver" on the ASAP website. Perhaps these people modified or just renamed the standard ASAP CS which is absolutely no different than what we all make. Hydrogen Peroxide is by no means a stabilized oxygen...just the opposite. Stabilized oxygen can only be the same as the stuff that we breathe. O2 [never mind all that ozone ;-)] But put peroxide in CS and it probably will stabilize to some extent and not remain peroxide. Peroxide does strange things to silver and silver crystals/clusters, some of it catalytic, I suspect. Once it does what it does, there's no need for it to remain there. http://www.silversolution.us/ [ASAP website] ASAP Solution is a natural mineral supplement also available under the trademarked names: ImmunoAG, ImmunoRx, SilverSolution Rx, and Silver Rx [It Has been renamed a few times, ey?] Patented -- no other like it -- accept no substitute. [No mention of "what" is patented and the untrue claims they used to have that descibed the product as 97% particulate so you can make an erronious judgment are no longer there...probably thanks to Frank Key] The phrase "No one else in the world can make CS like we can" can be read to refer to their [expired?] patent on their generator system, not the end product itself. [I used to beat my girlfriend up every morning..that is, I woke up before she did and got out of bed. But, in return, she used to pee in my shoes..that is, she wore my shoes to the bathroom when she got out of bed. How many people do you know that "built a house" but can't even touch a hammer without smashing a thumb?] The patent is for a specific number of off the shelf generators or multiple electrodes in a vat with a stirrer. If you use one less or more generators or electrode, you haven't violated the patent...but, you're not making the CS like they do...yet, the CS is exactly the same. I understand that ASAP has another patent. They don't say what it's for just like they no longer describe the first one or publish the patent numbers. ASAP is imfamous for using deceptive language like the art of con that it is of making nothing special 'sound' like it's different. [They HAVE toned it down considerably, perhaps because success brings with it scrutiny and the 'lawyers' who write ad copy are now in a different environment where actual credibility is needed, consisting of governmental officials who can easily prosecute, sue or back out of contracts. ] While wandering around in the US patent website, I found a recent patent held by CS PRO. [If I recall correctly] It descibed in detail a polarity swapping circuit that every electronics engineer since vaccum tubes has in his/her head. [I don't think that patenting something straight out of a text book does much] Another outfit [Biophysica I believe?] claims to have "invented" current control. Well, maybe they did...105 years ago?? Then too, How long is a patent good for? ASAPs patents are likely older than 12 years. Ho hum, that's cool...so, what else is absolutely fantastic? Interesting tidbit on http://www.buysupersilver.com/ *TV Special* 4 oz Bottle of Super Silver Solution (Great Travel Size) Plus Accessory Kit (2 oz Fine Mist Spray Bottle, Ear & Eye Dropper w/bottle & 1/2 oz Glass Nasal Atomizer) ONLY $19.95 As seen on TV? Cool! That, of course, automatically means it's top quality at the lowest price and everything said about it is absolutely true and clearly stated. [We'll be seeing CS in the Asinine TV store soon!] PS Supersilver and ASAP Silver solution probably IS very good [EIS] CS...but so is the stuff you make at home. "Inferior" is a very relative term. A square rock is better for stacking up and making buildings than a round one if no mortar is being used, but both are the same rock and both will put a similar knot on your head if it falls on you. Ode At 10:39 AM 6/23/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Has anyone with the resources examined or tested this >product called Super Silver Solution? > >http://www.buysupersilver.com/ > >My understanding is that it is simply 10 ppm CS with >stabilized oxygen added to it. If that is true, I >would expect to accomplish the same thing by adding >food-grade hydrogen peroxide to regular CS. > >I would like to know what they have done with/to it. > >I would fully expect that adding oxygen to CS would >increase its effectiveness, as reported by Brooks >Bradley on this list. Brooks reported an increase of >effectiveness of 500-1000% by adding H2O2 to CS. The >trouble with hydrogen peroxide is that it soon escapes >from the CS because it is added, and not a natural >level. I've considered adding it to my own CS product, >but it wouldn't last. Once the customer opened the >bottle, it would all escape soon after. So that means >adding it just before ingestion. I am not sure what >the process is that creates 'stabilized oxygenated >water'. > >I recently listened to an audio CD about Super Silver >(SS). What was disappointing was the same
CS>Bit of a worry as advice?
Hi there folks, Just got this from here:http://www.zapperplans.com/silver.html Does this sound ok to you experts? An extract: - The key here is to adjust the voltage to produce silver particles at a reasonably slow rate, while not taking too long to get results. You can produce a good batch of 10-40 ppm colloidal silver in about 4 to 24 hours. If the process proceeds too quickly you will be creating larger particles, which is not advisable. And, while there is no harm in running the process more slowly, there is no need to take longer than about a day or so. The basic process runs well at about 30 volts DC. Usually three 9 volt batteries connected in series (27 volts) will do the job nicely. If it doesn't seem to be working after about half an hour, you can simply add another battery or two until it starts working. If you can obtain a variable DC power supply that will supply 20-50 volts, you will be in fine shape and won't have to keep buying batteries. Although many have spoken of using two silver electrodes immersed in a container of water, I have not found this to be the optimal method. I have found that using a silver positive electrode with a stainless steel negative electrode seems to work much better. While a piece of stainless flatware (e.g. a fork or spoon) will work fine, a large stainless mixing bowl or pot is preferable. PRODUCTION The easiest way to make colloidal silver is to fill your stainless bowl or pot with a gallon or two of distilled water, dangle your piece of silver into the water and apply the voltage via a couple of clip leads. You want to make sure the silver doesn't touch the stainless container and make sure the clip leads stay out of the water. The negative electrode connects to the bowl while the positive electrode connects to the silver. You can use a wooden spoon or a plastic ruler or some other non conductor laid across the bowl to dangle the silver from. During production, some of the silver will not convert into colloid and so will not remain suspended. This will form a bit of a scum, some of which will float on the water, while the rest will collect on the surface of the container and/or the silver electrode. You should let this settle and simply strain out any remaining with a cloth or other filter. If more settles out, just leave it. Don't try to mix it back in since it isn't colloidal and shouldn't be used. The silver that remains suspended is what you are after. --- end extract Cheers? Himagain
Re: CS>Ozone water
Ozonated water will only stay ozonated for about 20 minutes, as ozone is very unstable. It breaks down into hydrogen peroxide and oxygen, so you will have super-oxygenated water for several hours (I have checked this with a blood gas analyzer). The water has been sterilized and some impurities neutralized, so it is worth covering and keeping it, even if it no longer contains ozone. Paul H - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: CS>Ozone water > Hi, > > My Mother is using a Nature-Kleen to ozonate some drinking water for the > first time. > > Does anyone know if you can make up this special water and put a lid on it, > to keep for future use, or do you have to make it up fresh every time? > > We will try some CS in the ozonated water after we try the first glass > without CS. We want to see how it tastes. > > Thank you, > > Jean Baugh > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS> Ultimate Cleansing Diet?
What do listers consider the best cleansing diet? Is there a web link to it? Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
