Re: CScolloidal silver
Jean, you might want to stop the CS for a few days until the symptoms become tolerable, then start up again with the dose cut in half and see how that goes for you. Dose for effect. In this case, the Herxheimer effect. Plus take steps to help the body eliminate the toxins, starting with plenty of clean water. Others will have other suggestions, I hope. Be well! Mike D. I also have a similar problem and I temporarily got worse before getting better. I believe they call it the herxheimer effect. You are probably getting sick from the virus die off and that is actually a good thing. I couldn't do without my CS, my quality of life would be horrible without it. Keep trying it, I think it will help you, it has for me! Lisa V.Jean.G. tijua...@webtv.net wrote: Since I had no directon other than on the bottle label, I took one teaspoon colloidal silver daily and got worse. I have a serious neurological disease caused by a virus. Been seeing doctors for forty years but still haven't found help. In the past three weeks, symptoms increased involving the eyes, sleeplessness, imbalance, tinnitus, and numbness. I would appreciate information on colloidal silver for a viral disease. Thank you! V.Jean.G. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: SPAM: Re: CSDMSO-DRAGON breath
You will find many health uses in Your Own Perfect Medicine by Martha Christy, a book on urine therapy which includes hundreds of scientific citations. Urine is the most researched substance in medical literature. Urea is right up there with it. Garnet On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 22:37, Roger Barker wrote: I bought it from a friend at a livestock supplier after confirming it was pure. It comes in 40kg bags and cost me approx. US$18.00 and you're right about the uses, helps the grass grow for a start. Anybody know of any other uses? Cheers, Roger on 22/10/2004 3:11 AM, Garnet at garnetri...@earthlink.net wrote: Hoepfully Roger will share his source and what grade of Urea he used. For me personally I would be comfortable with Food Grade urea available from livestock suppliers. Of course you may have to buy a 50# bag but it does have many uses. Garnet On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 08:53, Marshall Dudley wrote: Where does one get USP urea? Marshall Roger Barker wrote: Hi Garnet, for the test I mixed urea and distilled water together till I got a saturated solution. Next I mixed DMSO and distilled water together giving a 50/50 mix. To this mix I added 20% of the urea/distilled water mix. All I have to to do now is reduce the urea mix to 10% and see how that works. Please feel free to post any of this to the DMSO list. Cheers, Roger http://lbarker.orcon.net.nz/index1.html on 21/10/2004 3:56 PM, Garnet at garnetri...@earthlink.net wrote: It must change the way DMSO is metabolized in the body? So please Roger, tell us again what exactly you did, for the sake of clarity. And may I post this to the DMSO list? Thanks, Garnet On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 19:27, Roger Barker wrote: on 18/10/2004 4:05 PM, sol at sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Let us know the results! sol Results of urea/DMSO test. I'm very glad to report great success with this mixture. Yesterday I liberally splashed the mixture all over my hands and after allowing several minutes for it to be absorbed I breathed heavily in a (very good) friends face. He reported absolutely no smell on my breath and no body odour that he could detect. I on my part noticed the absence of the 'garlic' taste in my mouth which could be another bonus. All this is quite remarkable as the mixture in the bottle still smelled vile? Cheers, Roger http://lbarker.orcon.net.nz/index1.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Was - Pulsed Electromagnetic; Is - Diet for dogs and humans
On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 10:35, Nenah Sylver wrote: Hello Garnet. I have thought about that quite a bit, actually, Garnet, both in relation to feeding it to myself and to my dogs. I've come to terms with it for the following reasons: 1) I do vary the veggies I feed the dogs; it's often a combination of veggies and not only/always broccoli. Oh, because in your original message it sounded like you were saying you fed broccoli frequently. You wrote They get lots of broccoli and some starchy veggies... 2) Steaming the broccoli first destroys the component that lowers thyroid function. Throwing out the water in which the broccoli was lightly cooked gets rid of that component. So sometimes, especially during colder weather, I heat the broccoli first. Do you happen to have documentation on what that component is and at what temperature it is destroyed, because I have never run across this information in all the years that I have been dealing with feeding my pets, including many reptiles whose veggies I steamed before freezing in cubes. I was told absolutely not to feed reptiles broccoli in any form so I am wondering if some of the herpetologists are misinformed? Does not mean your information is not correct, but I hope you understand that I would like to confirm it -- since impacting the thyroid is such a dangerous thing, hard to measure and hard to track down. Been there and done that in a hypothyroid dog and horse breeds. How much do you steam it? Is it still somewhat crisp in the middle or totally soft? I love broccoli lightly steamed myself but find that I seem to only want it occasionally, instinct? I used broccoli once to get a cockatiel over addiction to millet, which he has started demanding in exclusion to all other food. I was told to feed only broccoli until he would eat regular seed again and to never feed millet sprays or mixes with millet unless it was in a pellet where they could not pick out just the millet. 3) My dogs are, simply put, healthier when they eat broccoli than when they don't, even if the brocolli is raw. Animals in the wild -- including wolves -- go for the stomach and its contents of the prey that they kill. They do this to get the greens ingested by the prey animal! I've noticed that when I don't give my dogs enough greens, the little one especially will deliberately graze on grass, like a goat or a cow, for long periods. I've never seen anything like it. Broccoli is loaded with minerals and Vit C so it is a very good food, fed in balance. Dark greens are loaded with minerals, but leafy greens are not the same as broccoli, to my knowledge they are not thyrogenic. But the stomach contents, while raw have already been subjected to quite an array of digestive enzymes in the mouth and stomach, so it is not at all in a fresh raw state, besides I don't know of any wild animals that ingest thyrogenic veggies. This is not a logical comparison to feeding raw broccoli a lot, although it does support the need dogs have for leafy greens. Perhaps you are just pointing out their natural need for greens. Presently I use a lot of fresh herbs that I grow with seaweed and bat guano fertilizers to increase their mineral contents and make them dark green. I eat some almost every day from my container gardens on the patio, but in small amounts and I vary which ones I eat, except perhaps for parsely, I can eat that in almost anything and love the flavor. The dogs can free range but I only noticed my older dog eating them daily. The younger dogs don't seem interested. I do have two cats that will nibble the lemon grass! 4) I put nori and other seaweeds into my dogs' food. Sometimes they will take roasted nori sheets and eat them plain. Nori is one of my favorite sources of Magnesium and other minerals. It tastes wonderful roasted and I do use it for the dogs occasionally. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDMSO blindness
When DMSO first became popular years ago...as a local treatment for arthritis...they did some preliminary studies...and one person went blind. It can happen. DMSO MSM both can cause rapid intense detoxification. My initial detox from taking MSM 5 years ago was a really wild ride, 3 months long. After it was over and my life began to improve dramatically, I was filled with evangelistic zeal for it and began to proselytize everyone in sight. I wrongly assumed it was the thing for everyone to jump into headfirst. One Saturday I gave some to my middle daughter, who was 14 at that time. Within minutes she was partially blind- but it was a graying out, not a blacking out of her vision. We freaked and got our Eye Doc to meet us at his office. That took an hour and it was all over by then. I never gave her MSM again, I don't know if she's ever taken it again yet. Fast forward to last year: She moved out to an apartment (musty) to go to college 45 miles away. She began having partial blindness spells. Long story short- It was Opthalmic Migraine. We cured it with an M-state preparation, no episodes now in about 8 months after having had them once or twice a week for 2-3 months. A cyber-friend sent me his (non-medical) opinion that migraine is an allergic reaction. I have edited that document and will send it to anyone who wants it. Remember folks- taking responsibility for your own health is not always a bed of roses. Roses have thorns. Daddybob
Re: CSSomething that has nothing to do with PulsedElectromagnetic Healing Developments
You mistake silence for approval. If I had to respond to everything I disagreed with Mike would have me off of here in a jiffy... In this case, I was trying to follow that particular subject thread to save some time and the inanity of the whole position of not changing subject lines was immediately apparent... Also, the futility of trying to reach a consensus on this is apparent, so I won't bother you further. However, one does sometimes prefer one's own inanities, and insanities, to those of others, and mistakenly tries to communicate this to them. ;-)) Dan Re: CSSomething that has nothing to do with PulsedElectromagnetic Healing Developments From: Garnet (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:52:46 Are you talkin ta me? I do sometimes update subject lines but in light of recent discussions I am going with the consensus of the list, in maintaining thread topics so the archives are coherent. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO blindness
A few rare individuals are allergic to MSM and even to DMSO. Always good to test at low dose or to skin test, spread lightly, do not rub, on the forearm and check for redness. Try dilute sublingual drops and check heart rate before and after -- increase can indicate adrenalin release in response to an allergen. Glad you figured out the issue with your daughter. That must have scared the stuff out of you guys. MSM is a very safe substance but as in any allergy a sensitization reaction can be life threatening. Also MSM manufacture has been much improved, previously early batches may have been impure. Dr Stanely Jacob has a good book out called MSM The Definitive Guide for those who want to know all about MSM. Amazon has it for ~$10. He is presently writing a 16 volume set on DMSO. For now DMSO Nature's Healer by Morton Walker is the best book I know of. The allergy to MSM is not to the sulfur BTW, which leads me to wonder about impurities in those early products. The manner of manufacture has changed alot in the past 15 years. www.jacoblab.com has a reliably purified product. Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 09:02, ransley wrote: When DMSO first became popular years ago...as a local treatment for arthritis...they did some preliminary studies...and one person went blind. It can happen. DMSO MSM both can cause rapid intense detoxification. My initial detox from taking MSM 5 years ago was a really wild ride, 3 months long. After it was over and my life began to improve dramatically, I was filled with evangelistic zeal for it and began to proselytize everyone in sight. I wrongly assumed it was the thing for everyone to jump into headfirst. One Saturday I gave some to my middle daughter, who was 14 at that time. Within minutes she was partially blind- but it was a graying out, not a blacking out of her vision. We freaked and got our Eye Doc to meet us at his office. That took an hour and it was all over by then. I never gave her MSM again, I don't know if she's ever taken it again yet. Fast forward to last year: She moved out to an apartment (musty) to go to college 45 miles away. She began having partial blindness spells. Long story short- It was Opthalmic Migraine. We cured it with an M-state preparation, no episodes now in about 8 months after having had them once or twice a week for 2-3 months. A cyber-friend sent me his (non-medical) opinion that migraine is an allergic reaction. I have edited that document and will send it to anyone who wants it. Remember folks- taking responsibility for your own health is not always a bed of roses. Roses have thorns. Daddybob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSomething that has nothing to do with PulsedElectromagnetic Healing Developments
So Mike, what do you want us to do, as the list owner, about this issue of changing subject lines. And Dave, yes I do understand your frustration, and will try to do better in the future. I too prefer an accurate subject line. But ya know how it goes on internet lists. It's like trying to herd cats to get people to trim posts and update subject lines. LOL Peace, Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 09:47, Dan Nave wrote: You mistake silence for approval. If I had to respond to everything I disagreed with Mike would have me off of here in a jiffy... In this case, I was trying to follow that particular subject thread to save some time and the inanity of the whole position of not changing subject lines was immediately apparent... Also, the futility of trying to reach a consensus on this is apparent, so I won't bother you further. However, one does sometimes prefer one's own inanities, and insanities, to those of others, and mistakenly tries to communicate this to them. ;-)) Dan Re: CSSomething that has nothing to do with PulsedElectromagnetic Healing Developments From: Garnet (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:52:46 Are you talkin ta me? I do sometimes update subject lines but in light of recent discussions I am going with the consensus of the list, in maintaining thread topics so the archives are coherent. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSmigraines/allergies was Re: CSDMSO blindness
My son's allergist (MD) told me over 25 years ago that it was his opinion that migraines are mostly allergy related. He felt a prime candidate was cow's milk and it's derivative products..he said kids with milk allergy get asthma, adults often get migraines. He thought this accounted for the myth that kids grow out of allergies. They don't-but the symptoms change, and are not recognized as allergy. sol P.S. I said I wasn't going to change subject headers to reflect content...I lied. ransley wrote: When DMSO first became popular years ago...as a local treatment for arthritis...they did some preliminary studies...and one person went blind. A cyber-friend sent me his (non-medical) opinion that migraine is an allergic reaction. I have edited that document and will send it to anyone who wants it. Remember folks- taking responsibility for your own health is not always a bed of roses. Roses have thorns. Daddybob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO blindness
Anyone using or discussing DMSO should first read Dr. Morton Walker,MD's book: DMSO - Nature's Healer. DMSO is far too important a product to be bandied around by people who know not what they are dealing with, nor the almost miraculous healings it can perform. Cliff.. - Original Message - From: ransley To: The Silverlist Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 7:02 AM Subject: CSDMSO blindness When DMSO first became popular years ago...as a local treatment for arthritis...they did some preliminary studies...and one person went blind. It can happen. DMSO MSM both can cause rapid intense detoxification. My initial detox from taking MSM 5 years ago was a really wild ride, 3 months long. After it was over and my life began to improve dramatically, I was filled with evangelistic zeal for it and began to proselytize everyone in sight. I wrongly assumed it was the thing for everyone to jump into headfirst. One Saturday I gave some to my middle daughter, who was 14 at that time. Within minutes she was partially blind- but it was a graying out, not a blacking out of her vision. We freaked and got our Eye Doc to meet us at his office. That took an hour and it was all over by then. I never gave her MSM again, I don't know if she's ever taken it again yet. Fast forward to last year: She moved out to an apartment (musty) to go to college 45 miles away. She began having partial blindness spells. Long story short- It was Opthalmic Migraine. We cured it with an M-state preparation, no episodes now in about 8 months after having had them once or twice a week for 2-3 months. A cyber-friend sent me his (non-medical) opinion that migraine is an allergic reaction. I have edited that document and will send it to anyone who wants it. Remember folks- taking responsibility for your own health is not always a bed of roses. Roses have thorns. Daddybob
CSRefining DMSO
E.F.G. Herington's 1963 text Zone Melting Of Organic Compounds mentions on page 44 that for the purifying of organic compounds ( such as DMSO,) the melt zone should move at a rate of 0.3 to 5 centimeters per hour. This might be accomplished by lowering a tube (made of thick glass, stainless steel or inert plastic) of DMSO into an insulated bottle of ice-water, using clockwork. An axle with two drum-like radii could speed up or slow down the clockwork, using cords wrapped around the two drums. A cuckoo clock powered by falling weight might accomplish a useable descent rate even without such an intermediating axle. Matthew
RE: CSPulsed Electromagnetic Healing Developments
Dear Dan, I have seen one of those running. It was about 1 mouse power, and rotated fairly slowly and steadily, like about 100rpm. there was a bit of torque but I could easily slow it with finger pressure on the shaft. It was basically 4 rotating coils and 4 stationary magnets all in a NSNS orientation. The wheel and frame were of wood and a steel shaft in bearings. Had a star shaped brass piece on the end of the shaft which was one part of the commutator. the other contact had an adjustable advance/retard mechanism for tuning for no sparking. Not very impressive power or speed -wise. What was really remarkable was that the local taxi drivers brought their dead batteries for recharging. Free. there were about a dozen 12volt batteries on the floor all connected in parallel. Tony On 21 Oct 2004 at 13:05, Dan Nave wrote: I should have said that free energy is not here and not well developed. It is not here. It is not developed. If it is, show me something that actually works. I haven't been able to find anything, in spite of searching for it. 0snip0 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScolloidal silver
Hi V.Jean.G., I am not a dr. Just a mr fixit engineer. A teaspoon a day is a minute dose if you are taking the home made variety which concentration is in the order of 5ppm to 20ppm. If what you are taking is 100ppm or 500ppm then you are taking a fair sized dose per day. It is great that you are getting a reaction from the CS. that means something is happening. The eyes, sleeplessness and tinnitus would seem to indicate that your body is switching on and awakening. Which would be a good thing unless it happens too quickly. The numbness and imbalance could be because the awakening is temporarily taking place more on one side or place than another, that the awakening and enlivening is meandering along like a small lazy river but will eventually be in full flow, bank to bank. I suppose it is similar to when a limb goes to sleep due to sleeping on it for instance. The pins and needles as it wakes up can be excruciatingly uncomfortable for a short while. If I could tolerate the symptoms then I would carry on with the 1 teaspoon per day, but monitor what is happening. If the symptoms are intolerable I would reduce the dose by half for a few days and if still intolerable thenreduce by half again. All the time monitoring myself and what is happening. Increasing or decreasing the daily dose to stay within the bounds of comfort and progress. Would love to hear of your experiences and progress, good or bad. Tony On 21 Oct 2004 at 17:28, V.Jean.G. wrote: Since I had no directon other than on the bottle label, I took one teaspoon colloidal silver daily and got worse. I have a serious neurological disease caused by a virus. Been seeing doctors for forty years but still haven't found help. In the past three weeks, symptoms increased involving the eyes, sleeplessness, imbalance, tinnitus, and numbness. I would appreciate information on colloidal silver for a viral disease. Thank you! V.Jean.G. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS
Was Subject: RE: CSOxy Life Oxygen Hallo Garnet, I think you have put the cart before the horse a bit. ( relax, I'm on your side ;-\ ) Yeasts are in the gut and are normally in the round egg shaped form which is their unstressed, happy form. Any stress upon the host will probably throw a stress on the candida etc., some of which which promply change to the long, thin, sharp, unhappy form ( for survival?) The thin, sharp cells may now penetrate the gut and go places they don't normally go to. ( to avoid the stress?) Of course having yeast growing in the wrong places is an additional stress on the host and this would most likely lead to a symphony of sensitivities and allergies. For example some sort of stress ( heat , cold, fear, anger etc) causes me to be flooded with adrenalin and corticosteroids, OK. These and their breakdown products end up in the gut which must have an effect on the gut flora. they must have a mechanism for surviving these strong chemicals. If this survival mechanism adds to my stress load then I become sensitised to any and all stresses. This above doesn't change any facts or observations but it does change the sequence in that the yeast problem is caused by stress in the host in the first place. Not the otherway round : that yeast is the prime source of stress. So if the original stress can be found and reduced, then the unhappy penetrating yeast will change form to the happy round form. ta da ... fairytale ending. Haven't got to the role of CS yet . Comments please, Tony On 21 Oct 2004 at 18:36, Garnet wrote: I forgot to mention the role Candida Overgrowth has in chemical sensitivity. Many are much improved if not cured by getting rid of the dysbiosis in their gut. I know I was. Candida makes the gut wall leaky. When partically digested food enters the peritoneal cavity the body regards it as a foreign substance and responds with antibody formation and subsequent sensitivity. Garnet On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 15:58, Sally Khanna wrote: Hmmm, this is very interesting. Sally Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net wrote: It may not be called the MDR1 or be a single gene but there is a proven genetic component (Irish, English Native American populations) to multiple chemical sensitivity which could be said, in a broad sense to cover this type of sensitivity. MCS is a condition with many factors, some of which are the porphyrin enzyme systems or lack there of a component to be more correct -- this is thought to be genetic, could be induced and also may be sex linked with women showing greater tendencies. Also MCS relates to liver function, total load, Kindling (sensitivity in brain centers to molecule quantities of VOC that access the brain directly through the Olfactory and Trigeminal cranial nerves in the nasal septum, Bell et al). Also complicated by IgE mediated Type I Allergy, and poorly functioning or sensitized immune systems. In the case of the MD! R1 gene it likely involves the ability to metabolize the agent. We know that sight hounds are very sensitive to anesthetics, however, this is due to their lack of body fat where the agents depot from the systemic circulation -- less body fat means higher blood levels. I am not sure though if they have shown a slower metabolism in sight hounds for these agents as well. Garnet On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 11:26, Sally Khanna wrote: Garnet, Is this gene exclusive to dogs, or is it found in humans also? Sally Garnet wrote: On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 00:10, David W Kenney wrote: No...one person did go blind and almost caused DMSO to be taken off the market totally. This all happened when they first learned of its properties to relieve inflammation (and pain) in arthritis which is how it was usually used! . People would rub it on sore joints. It wasn't rabbits. However since there have been few if any problems with DMSO in the last 30 years it suggests that DMSO wasn't the etiology of the blindness anyway. Rabbits are the medical model for study eye effects of pharmaceutical agents. Problem is that they are uniquely sensitive to DMSO so are not consider a valid model for humans in this instance. Dogs too have been reported to have some occular effects with prolonged use. I
CSRefining DMSO
Can you kind of explain or expound on this subject? I find it intriguing, but find that I must be lacking in some background info that would help me understand what you are talking about. I certainly would like some purified DMSO (that I could afford) and if I could do it myself that would add a certain amount of satisfaction... Dan CSRefining DMSO From: Matthew McCann (view other messages by this author) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:53:49 E.F.G. Herington's 1963 text Zone Melting Of Organic Compounds mentions on page 44 that for the purifying of organic compounds ( such as DMSO,) the melt zone should move at a rate of 0.3 to 5 centimeters per hour. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPulsed Electromagnetic Healing Developments
RE: CSPulsed Electromagnetic Healing Developments From: Tony Moody wrote: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:16:49 Dear Dan, I have seen one of those running. It was about 1 mouse power, and rotated fairly slowly and steadily, like about 100rpm. there was a bit of torque but I could easily slow it with finger pressure on the shaft. It was basically 4 rotating coils and 4 stationary magnets all in a NSNS orientation. The wheel and frame were of wood and a steel shaft in bearings. Had a star shaped brass piece on the end of the shaft which was one part of the commutator. the other contact had an adjustable advance/retard mechanism for tuning for no sparking. Not very impressive power or speed -wise. What was really remarkable was that the local taxi drivers brought their dead batteries for recharging. Free. there were about a dozen 12volt batteries on the floor all connected in parallel. Tony Tony, That is quite interesting. It would be interesting to see what they are actually doing and what is actually happening to the batteries. It could be as simple as a method to de-sulphate the battery plates. Also, anything like this running along with batteries is immediately suspect unless one can really inspect and understand it rather than just see it operating. Two of the most interesting things I have seen (written about) are: Parallel path http://www.flynnresearch.net/magnetics.htm Minato magnetic motor http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/minato.htm The problem is, if this stuff is real, where is the product? I would love to have an above unity generator running in my house. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRefining DMSO
Dan, If I had real smelly DMSO and the smell bothered me, I'd first try redistilling it and believe that would purify it. Meanwhile, if you use DMSO as a rub-on for pain and it gives you relief along with a little fragrance, I'd get relief and probably the enjoy the extra space others gave me. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:41 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRefining DMSO Can you kind of explain or expound on this subject? I find it intriguing, but find that I must be lacking in some background info that would help me understand what you are talking about. I certainly would like some purified DMSO (that I could afford) and if I could do it myself that would add a certain amount of satisfaction... Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRefining DMSO
Interesting stuff, Matthew. Can you sketch any details of such a process? You mentioned a long tube, for instance. I can imagine putting a long glass tube full of DMSO inside a refrigerator, for instance, and letting it freeze. It would then be pretty easy, mechanically, to rig a screw-drive to a gear motor that would transport a ring shaped heating element gradually the length of the tube, melting a zone of the contents, which would re- freeze after it passes. Or use a slow running gear motor and a cam or lever to raise and lower the cylinder in and out of an ice-bath. What I'm sort of wondering is, at which end of the tube would the various impurities concentrate? Or would different impurities end up at each end, depending on their melting point? So you'd decant the middle portion as the pure stuff? shrug As you can see, it'd be nice to get a little more of a description of a typical example of the process. Were any such systems described in detail in the references you've been looking at? Thanks, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] On subject morphing...
So Mike, what do you want us to do, as the list owner, about this
issue of changing subject lines.
What? You want a decision LOL
First, I agree that anything we decide cannot be *enforced*, only
encouraged. There will always have to be plenty of slop in the spec...
or is that specs in the slop? ... nevermind {8^o
For daily reading to keep up with the list without bothering with e-
mails, which some folks do, the default Date Index view at the archives
works fine.
The search engine at the archives is extremely weak. It will only
accept search terms of 4 characters or more. It does only logical AND
searches on multiple terms. No way to do logic OR or to exclude results
by a NOT function. It's very crude.
It does, however, search the entire message, Subject line and body.
Therefore searches will still find a subject based on keywords in the
body even when the subject line morphs or the topic has slid out from
under the old Subject.
So searching will typically be a multi-stage process, using search
terms to identify an initial set of messages, then clicking on the View
This Thread link within particular messages, reading that, then going
back to grab the next thread, and so on.
Seriously, I can barely see an advantage to *either* method, as far as
searching is concerned. Meanwhile morphing the Subject to keep up with
the actual topic has the advantage of being easier to skim through a
subject or date ordered listing...
sigh
So, I guess I *don't* think much either way, Garnet. Sorry! grin
I'm willing to help a consensus emerge and adopt that as a policy
preference rather than as a discipline issue.
I *do* want people to accept a compromise and stop carping at each
other about it. *That* is not appropriate behavior for the list.
I prefer such remarks to come to me, privately, so I can consider them,
and so that new people aren't treated rudely or confused by conflicting
advice as has happened recently to a couple of folks.
We should discuss this openly here for now, so everybody can know
what's being said. I'm listening.
Mike D.
da list owner guy
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself... ]
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RE: CSRefining DMSO
In redistilling wouldn't you be boiling the DMSO into a vapor -- which IS toxic to breathe and should be avoided. It is the one way it could hurt you. Since it boils at over 350* it does not present any danger unless it is intentionally heated to its boiling point. Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are saying? Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 13:17, Richard Harris wrote: Dan, If I had real smelly DMSO and the smell bothered me, I'd first try redistilling it and believe that would purify it. Meanwhile, if you use DMSO as a rub-on for pain and it gives you relief along with a little fragrance, I'd get relief and probably the enjoy the extra space others gave me. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:41 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRefining DMSO Can you kind of explain or expound on this subject? I find it intriguing, but find that I must be lacking in some background info that would help me understand what you are talking about. I certainly would like some purified DMSO (that I could afford) and if I could do it myself that would add a certain amount of satisfaction... Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRefining DMSO
Purification of an impure substance (e.g. DMSO) can be done by a phase transition, but the process of distillation is not the only phase transition purification process. Nor is it necessarily the most safe, considering the hazard Garnet mentioned. The process of freezing and thawing an impure substance will tend to segregate it from its impurities. DMSO has a freezing point (or melting point) near room temperature. This makes it convenient as well as nontoxic to purify DMSO by a freeze-thaw process, rather than a vaporize-condense process (i.e. distillation) Zonal melting is a type of freeze-thaw process in which a relatively small section of the batch is melted and this narrow molten zone is moved slowly through the batch, which is usually contained in a long and narrow tube. Extremely high levels of purification can be attained this way because the process can be repeated with increasingly successful outcomes. Purification by zonal melting was invented around 1951 by Pfann to purify germanium crystals to make the earliest commercially successful transistors. It soon became a highly successful method of ultra-purifying many other substances, both inorganic and organic. But it doesn't work equally well for all substances or for all impurities in the same substance. So I don't want to raise false hopes that it can remove the stench from DMSO until I find out if others have already done so (such as Gaylord (?)) Matthew
RE: CSOxy Life Oxygen
Hi Dr. Kenny, Thank you for your good contributions you add to this wonderful Site for us seekers! As a FL Pharmacist for 57 years, I became interested in DMSO as soon as I became aware of it. In Pat McGrady, Sr.'s book, The Persecuted Drug: The Story of DMSO , the Index lists Blindness and DMSO, 137, 139, 141. It told about a group of boys in 1916 built a fire using a handful of dynamite caps--they waited for the explosion and when it didn't follow, they directed Nate to go examine the fire--as he bent over the fire, the explosion occurred tearing one eye from the socket and blinding the other eye. He had to drop out of school, bought operated a filling station survived. One day, he heard that a customer was a Dr. experimenting with some magic stuff, DMSO. Nate asked Dr. Jacob if he thought DMSO might help restore sight to his blind eye. Dr. Jacob told him to bring a complete report from his eye doctor to Jacob's Lab. Nate never regained sight, but felt pains behind his eye, encouraging Dr. Jacob to continue experimenting on sight restoration. On page 141, another patient with one blind eye upon being treated, did have sight restored to the blind eye, although the other eye failed to be affected by DMSO treatment. I read somewhere about a rabbit going blind from DMSO, but have NOT come across a human losing sight from DMSO--nor was that mentioned in this book. I truly believe DMSO and CS to truly be Gifts from God and use and recommend their uses to any who will listen. I have never heard of either to cause death, and know of NO other things that are so safe. I remind everyone that use of these things are truly experimental, but if tried cautiously can possibly bring about many seemingly miraculous results. In an attempt to protect We, the American People, our FDA has effectively double-crossed us and prevented us from receiving inexpensive medical relief in many instances; while most of the rest of the world can use and benefit from them. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 56 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOxy Life Oxygen When DMSO first became popular years ago...as a local treatment for arthritis...they did some preliminary studies...and one person went blind. I haven't heard that anyone repeated these studies to find out whether that person was going blind anyway or whether it was caused by the DMSO. DMSO is primarily a carrier...meaning that whatever you mix into it is carried into the body. CS + DMSO on the skin means more actually gets systemic than just CS. If you mix anything that is at all nephrotoxic (kidney)...it will reach the kidneys in higher concentration than it would otherwise. Where it is used as a solvent and people were putting their hands and arms in the solutions every day I never heard of reports of kidney damage due to DMSO itself. This doesn't mean it does not happen...only that I keep my eye peeled for nephrotoxicity (I have only one) and haven't come across it. Dr. Kenney == There has been alot of discussion about mixing colloidal silver and dmso together. I was wondering if anyone had ever heard of a product called Oxy life put out by Dr. Dosbach? It has aloe,oxygen and colloidal silver. It sounds like a pretty good product. Also has anyone heard of a product called cell food? someone mentioned that using 99% dmso was unsafe for the kidneys. Should this be diluted? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLive Bacteria
Hello All: I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter. I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it. She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test. The doctor was surprised at this. They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good. Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS
Hello, Mike, Yes, clock gearwork can accomplish the necessary movement in a variety of ways, some quite simple. Herington gives a number of line drawings. The points he stresses is that, unlike inorganic and metallic specimens, organic specimens should be in vertical tubes for a variety of reasons. Not least of which is the ease of up and down movement by wind up or winding down a cord or chain from pulleys, axles or even cams. Unlike water, most organic compounds become denser when they freeze. I assume DMSO is like this, but if anybody knows for sure, I would appreciate confirmation on this. If this is correct, then a tube of DMSO will freeze from the bottom up if it is lowered into the ice-water. There are a range of suitable diameters for the container. It has to be more than 2 millimeters, otherwise there can blockage by bubbles. It has to be less than 4 centimeters, otherwise the zone's core may not melt. In any case, a batch of more than 2 kilograms is too much. A long thin vessel is preferable to a short stubby vessel. Glass is convenient for it tranparency but is prone to shatter when crystal cling to the inside surface. Herington seems to recommend stainless steel or other inert metal. He also notes that a coating of silver helps keeps reactive specimens pure, but this shouldn't be a problem with DMSO. Herington states a key principle on page 12: If an impurity depresses the freezing point of the main component, it travels in the same direction as the zone. But if it raises the freezing point, it travels in the opposite direction to the zone. I suppose one could look up the freezing points of the odiferous compounds and make a good guess as to whether these impurities raise or lower the freezing point from that of absolutely pure DMSO. This may have a bearing on whether to let the container ascend or descend in the ice-water. Herington mentions that those who use this method usually prefer a focused lamp to melt the zone. Nichrome wire can be be formed in a ring to do the heating, too. Even a meat skewer can be bent into a ring-and-handle that can be heated by a Bunsen burner to melt the zone. I envision using an ice-water reservoir on the bottom and cold ambient air on the top, with a heating ring just above the surface of the ice-water, with a perforated piece of cardboard acting as a shield between the heater and the ice-water. Depending on which way the impurities move, it might not even be necessary for the melt to freeze at the top. The interface of liquid and solid DMSO may just push the impurities up and up, until upper liquid can be decanted with its load of impurities. Matthew
CSRefining DMSO
Hi Garnet, Would using DMSO in a nebulizer be compared to a vapor? The size is 1 to 5 microns. Thank you, Jean Baugh In redistilling wouldn't you be boiling the DMSO into a vapor -- which IS toxic to breathe and should be avoided. It is the one way it could hurt you. Since it boils at over 350* it does not present any danger unless it is intentionally heated to its boiling point. Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are saying? Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 13:17, Richard Harris wrote: Dan, If I had real smelly DMSO and the smell bothered me, I'd first try redistilling it and believe that would purify it. Meanwhile, if you use DMSO as a rub-on for pain and it gives you relief along with a little fragrance, I'd get relief and probably the enjoy the extra space others gave me. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRefining DMSO
No, the nebulizer is producing very very small droplets of DMSO liquid. It is not producing vapor, which is a gaseous state. That would require raising the temperature of DMSO to its boiling point. It looks like vapor when it comes out of the nebulizer but it is actually liquid. Sorry if this caused you any alarm. Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 19:04, oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: Hi Garnet, Would using DMSO in a nebulizer be compared to a vapor? The size is 1 to 5 microns. Thank you, Jean Baugh In redistilling wouldn't you be boiling the DMSO into a vapor -- which IS toxic to breathe and should be avoided. It is the one way it could hurt you. Since it boils at over 350* it does not present any danger unless it is intentionally heated to its boiling point. Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are saying? Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 13:17, Richard Harris wrote: Dan, If I had real smelly DMSO and the smell bothered me, I'd first try redistilling it and believe that would purify it. Meanwhile, if you use DMSO as a rub-on for pain and it gives you relief along with a little fragrance, I'd get relief and probably the enjoy the extra space others gave me. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRefining DMSO
Sorry Richard. My sense of taste and smell are excellent! I do not enjoy my own taste or smell on DMSO :-(( Additional distillation may be effective... Is the offending chemical going to vaporize before or after the DMSO? Dan RE: CSRefining DMSO * From: Richard Harris (view other messages by this author) * Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:29:08 Dan, If I had real smelly DMSO and the smell bothered me, I'd first try redistilling it and believe that would purify it. Meanwhile, if you use DMSO as a rub-on for pain and it gives you relief along with a little fragrance, I'd get relief and probably the enjoy the extra space others gave me. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
