Re: CSppm meters
I respect and applaud the way Frank Key is willing to defend his version of colloidal silver and also critique the colloidal silver from other producers. I am neutral- I make my own I think he would call mesosilver a colloidal silver. Dan - Original Message - From: Info in...@www.silver-colloids.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: Re: CSppm meters M. G. Devour wrote : ... I'm afraid that we'll be forced to leave this debate pretty soon... I could not agree more. I felt compelled to respond because the Quinto test results are being presented as fact. My claim is that the EMSL challenge tests are done by one of top labs in the US and clearly show that a representative ionic silver products does not perform better than a mostly particle product. http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/EMSL/Ecoli2.pdf If someone can find fault with the design of the challenge test or the results, lets address it now. If not, then please stop citing the Quinto test results as proof of anything. Frank Key Colloidal Science Lab. www.colloidalsciencelab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSppm meters
CSppm meters From: Info Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:26:28 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78940.html Mike Monett wrote: According to Ivan Anderson, Mesosilver is made of oxides. This makes sense, since your tan color is similar to diluted silver hydroxide. Elemental silver is gray or black in solution. You can prove this by adding pickling salt to 36uS cs to make silver chloride. The dispersion is white, but it turns dark gray after exposure to light. And what size particles are creating this color and in what silver concentration? It varies all over the place. There is no control over particle size. The original concentration measured 36uS as stated above. Mesosilver is the wrong color to be silver particles. These words of wisdom are from scientists who are using conductivity meters to determine silver content, cannot measure particle size, etc... You have got to be kidding. We ignore the oxides since they have no biological effect. We are only interested in the ion content. From your own reports, and data published by Ivan Anderson and Trem, the conductivity is related to the concentration of silver ions, where 1uS = 1ppm. Some products in your list do not correspond, but they are easy to spot and discard. Since contamination affects the conductivity, a reasonable approach is to calculate the expected uS reading using the Faraday equation, measure the conductivity with a PWT, and perform a salt test for an overall confirmation. This is quite satisfactory for home use, since the variation betwen batches is quite large. The color of Mesosilver has nothing what so ever to do with the color of material the particle is made of as you suggest. Mesosilver absorbs visible light at a wavelength of 400 nm. The apparent color is the complement of the absorption wavelength. The absorption wavelength, thus the apparent color could be made to be any color of the visible spectrum by slightly altering the ionic species of the dispersant. Such a minor alteration of the ionic species would alter the zeta potential and the thus the dispersion properties and in doing so would change the apparent color but not change the composition of the particles at all. As mentioned above, the size of the oxide particles is not controlled and varies a great deal. Since you state the particle size determines the color, the oxides in the photos should have all the colors of the rainbow. They do not. The density changes, but they are a uniform tan/brown color: http://www.utopiasilver.com/images/gen3.jpg and http://www.silverpuppy.com/resource/ionpud1.jpg Similarly, the characteristic yellow tint that cs develops is not affected by the size of the particles. The white color of silver chloride is not affected by the size of the particles. When it is exposed to light, it turns a uniform dark gray. According to your statement, both conditions should exhibit a wide range of color due to the variation in size. This shows again that Mesosilver is composed of silver oxides. The tan color is characteristic of oxide particles, not the gray of elemental silver particles. When the water is evaporated from Mesosilver what remains is a thin film of metallic silver, not silver oxide. This rather easy experiment requires only that one be able to recognize metallic silver when one sees it. Fill a 250 mL beaker half way with Mesosilver, cover to keep dust out, let sit until the water evaporates. I repeat my offer to perform this test and post the results. Please send me some. My address is: 349 King St Apt #3 Midland Ontario L4R - 3M7 [... snipped] Frank Key Colloidal Science Lab. www.colloidalsciencelab.com Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSppm meters
At 08:24 AM 3/26/2005 -0800, you wrote: My question is: Do these ppm meters measure both colloidal (particulate) and also ionic silver content? ## Particles don't add to conductivity. All meters use conductivity. I had a sample of some silver tested once by Bob Berger, who reported 12.3 ppm. I had the same CS tested by a local laboratory that is paid to do industrial testing, and they found it to be 5 ppm. I asked Bob about this, and he said they only tested particulate, not ionic. ## Over 50% particulate at 12 PPM? I doubt it. 5% 'maybe'. I've had lab returns run all over the place, from 7 PPM to 45 PPM...big Gov't labs too! Frank Key and Ole Bob more or less agree, [first 2 to agree on anything even close] so that's where I go. Ode Any thoughts on this? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CSbasic dumb question
I've seen the silver smearing off either electrode [should be just one, right?] Anyhow, you can buy Silver Hydroxide Reagent? and it's described as a white powder, virtually insoluable in water. There is a white powdery deposit that appears now and then under certain conditions. If the electrodes are very close to the bottom and no stirring is used, you get that white deposit on one side, a black spot on the other side under the electrode that turns black and shiny metallic plateout in between. Ode At 01:48 PM 3/26/2005 -0500, you wrote: Re: CSbasic dumb question From: Ode Coyote Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:28:31 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78900.html Isn't silver hydroxide white? Ode You might be thinking of silver chloride, AgCl, which is white but turns black when exposed to light. The oxide that collects on the electrodes is black, but it can appear brown when diluted in dw. You can barely make out the color in these photos of misting: http://www.utopiasilver.com/images/gen3.jpg and http://www.silverpuppy.com/resource/ionpud1.jpg Silver hydroxide (AgOH) decomposes around 100C, and silver oxide (Ag2O) decomposes around 310C. I hope put some on a hot plate today or tomorrow and will report the results. I'm pretty sure it will turn out to be silver hydroxide, since it decomposes easily under the pressure of wiping and forms shiny elemental silver. Everyone has seen this in their 3 nines unit. Regards, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
RE: CSBody pH
I would say you have it backwards...your serum, saliva, and urine pH should be alkaline...NOT acid. Most of the research I've read indicates that all sick and all cancer people slip to the acid sideand that cancer cannot grow in the alkaline environment. Please recheck your data before you continue the path you are on. If you find something different...please advise with references. Thank you. Hi SJY, When you hear about body ph. you must ask, what part of the body. is it the blood, the urine, the saliva or the water inside the cells or the cell walls or the stomach acid. they are all differnt some are acid and some are alkaline. There is a lot of information on the PH and how it relates to heath and disease on the Internet. I have however read a few things that would say the opposite and the more I read it the more I think its true. So I have been working towards the acid side . Acid is a proton donor and protons are what is life. So I am consuming acids regularly. I do lemon juice and Betaine HCL and also carbonic acid in order to gain more protons in the body which makes it more acid. they have the water ionizers all over the market and they tell you to drink the alkaline water and toss the acid water. so since most of the things that I have seen that are taken as common knowledge always turn out to be the opposite . I drink the acid water also in small doses. http://www.h-longevity.net/eng/1.shtml Take care, V I have been reading some things that suggest as we age, our systems tend to become more acidic, and this in turn makes our systems more vulnerable to disease (e.g. cancer) and eventually death. Some advocate ingesting foods or other organic or inorganic compounds to shift one's pH to be slightly alkaline. Has anyone had any experience alkalizing their bodies? For example, is anyone having good results with a product called Alkaline Body Balance, or others like it, to mitigate cancer or other medical problems? To keep it CS oriented, I would assume there would be no harm in taking products to increase body alkalinity (e.g. potassium or cesium salts) along with doses of Colloidal and Ionic Silver. Comments? --Steve Y. (circa 2000 on the list) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --
Re: CSWarning for LV CS
Ground silver dust is HUGE particles and little else. 94% made it though the bloodstream somehow in only 2 days. Ode At 07:42 PM 3/26/2005 -0700, you wrote: I was just wondering what surface the low-Quality CS, could build-up and accumulate on, when nebulized. Using a nasal nebulizing, most CS that contacts a surface in the nasal passages and sinuses, is going to be washed out by mucous, at least that is my best guess. Which is why I include DSMO in my nebulizer mix. So maybe the warning was meant to be about accumulation in the lungs, or something. It just struck me no surface where the CS would build up was specified. But I was also going to ask about the statement If the particle size is too large to 'penetrate' into the tissues, Because it has been my understanding that CS does not penetrate tissue on it's own. Silver ions do seem to be absorbed into the blood stream from holding it under the tongue, but I seriously doubt particles are going to penetrate through into blood vessels? I guess it depends on the particle size. No fear here, just trying to make sense of a paragraph of warnings that made no sense to me. sol Ode Coyote wrote: Doses of ground silver dust where administered to dogs via inhalation. Elimination was 94% in 48 hours in the feces and urine. [Morrow 1967 or thereabouts] Tell ya something? Be not afraid. Ode WARNING: DO NOT USE THE NEBULIZER TO ADMINISTER LOW QUALITY - LOW BIO-AVAILABILITY COLLOIDAL SILVER! REASON: If the particle size is too large to 'penetrate' into the tissues, whatever is NOT absorbed remains on the surface, eventually causing build-ups and accumulation. Use the Nebulizer ONLY to administer a very highly bio-available CS - 80% and up! Remember, most LVDC CS is only 10-30% bio-available! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 3/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CSppm meters
http://www.silverpuppy.com/resource/ionpud1.jpg There is no tan color in that photo that's not an artifact of the lighting adding a golden hue to everything. I think I made note of that somewhere in there. The particle cloud is pure white in real life. Ode Since you state the particle size determines the color, the oxides in the photos should have all the colors of the rainbow. They do not. The density changes, but they are a uniform tan/brown color: http://www.utopiasilver.com/images/gen3.jpg and Similarly, the characteristic yellow tint that cs develops is not affected by the size of the particles. The white color of silver chloride is not affected by the size of the particles. When it is exposed to light, it turns a uniform dark gray. According to your statement, both conditions should exhibit a wide range of color due to the variation in size. This shows again that Mesosilver is composed of silver oxides. The tan color is characteristic of oxide particles, not the gray of elemental silver particles. When the water is evaporated from Mesosilver what remains is a thin film of metallic silver, not silver oxide. This rather easy experiment requires only that one be able to recognize metallic silver when one sees it. Fill a 250 mL beaker half way with Mesosilver, cover to keep dust out, let sit until the water evaporates. I repeat my offer to perform this test and post the results. Please send me some. My address is: 349 King St Apt #3 Midland Ontario L4R - 3M7 [... snipped] Frank Key Colloidal Science Lab. www.colloidalsciencelab.com Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
RE: CSBody pH - 10 Reasons to Avoid Acidosis
http://www.greatestherbsonearth.com/articles/ph_10reasons.htm .pH Balancing: 10 Reasons to Avoid Acidosis Corrodes Arteries, Veins and Heart Tissues Like acid eating into marble, acidosis erodes and eats into cell wall membranes of the heart, arteries and veins, weakening cardiovascular structures and inter connective tissues. All living tissue is sensitive to its chemical environment, and most particularly whether its pH is too acid or alkaline, the muscle cells of the cardiovascular system are no different. The cardiovascular system may be thought of as one large working system of tubular muscles designed to carry blood and nutrients to every living tissue in the body and is directly affected by blood plasma pH. The heart, of course, is the muscular pump at the center of everything, which drives blood through the arteries, veins and capillary beds (a series of complex interconnected tubular tunnels of flexible smooth muscle) and is designed to help regulate the pressure and flow of circulation. Everything in the cardiovascular system works normally when the pH of blood plasma is slightly alkaline, having a pH of 7.35 to 7.41. But when the heart plasma habitually becomes a relatively more acid pH7.35, it acts as a chemical irritant which slowly begins to attach and eat away at the smooth muscle tissues of the inner walls of arteries and veins, as well as the heart itself. Again, like acid slowly eating its way into marble, this erosion process begins to weaken the structural composition of the heart, arterial and venous walls, causing lesions and microscopic tearing throughout its framework. Simultaneously, an acid pH also destabilizes free ionic balances within circulation, increasing the populations of positively charges particles (cations, an ion with a positive charge of electricity: H , Ca ) which directly interferes with the muscle contractility (contraction and relaxation) of the heart and arteries. Acid pH changes of the circulation which become habitual and the chaotic ionic confusion they cause, are now thought to be those factors which critically precipitate the development of arteriosclerosis (hardening of the arteries), an aneurysm (widening and ballooning of artery walls), arrhythmias (abnormal rhythms of the heart including tachycardia), myocardial infarction (heart attacks) and strokes (a cardiovascular accident). Moreover, the structural weakening of the cardiocascularity creates irregularities of blood pressure, which further exacerbates those problems. 2. Accelerates Free-Radical Damage and Premature Aging Acidosis causes partial lipid breakdown and destructive oxidative cascades accelerating Free Radical Damage of cell walls and intracellular membrane structures, which then unravel, killing cells in the process. Acidosis is thus thought to be the first step toward premature aging, accelerating oxidative cascades of cell wall destruction, creating wrinkling, age spots, dysfunctioning hormonal systems, interfering with eyesight, memory, and a host of other age-related phenomena. Wastes which are not properly eliminated from the body actually poison the cells they are inappropriately stored in... 3. Causes Weight Gain, Diabetes and Obesity An acid pH has considerable influence over the majority of weight problems, including Diabetes and Obesity. It seems that a habitually acid pH can directly cause immediate weight gain. Here's what happens when a system is too acid, a condition known as Insulin Sensitivity is produced which forces too much insulin to be produced, and the body is flooded with insulin so that it won't waste any calories, it diligently converts every calorie it can into fat. Could it be that an acid pH, from an imbalanced diet, produces a condition which stimulates the predetermined genetic response to starvation and famine as well, and thereafter requires that the body increasingly hoard every calorie consumed and store it as fat? Yes, indeed, it seems that it does! It is thought that an acid pH immediately signals the powerful genetic response to an impending famine, directly interpreting with the all important and very sensitive, Insulin-Glucagon Axis. This makes the body produce more insulin than usual, and in turn, produce more fat and store it. In general, the more insulin is available to the body, the higher the probability that fat will be produced and stored, rather than used and burned as energy. Thus, an acid pH will likely alert the genetic response to famine, directing more insulin to be produced and store more fat than usual. Conversely, a healthy, slightly alkaline pH, will more likely yield normal fat burning metabolic activity, making no demands on the body to overly produce insulin and make fat, allowing fat-weight to be burned and naturally lost. And too, with a healthy pH, there's less likely to be any yo-yo effect, or rebounding from a diet with additional weight gain. As long as nutritional stores are maintained, a healthy, slightly
Re: CSBody pH
So have I. Alarmingly so...and across many disciplines of science (so-called). Relying more on intuition. stuff At 10:26 PM 3/26/2005 -0800, V wrote: so since most of the things that I have seen that are taken as common knowledge always turn out to be the opposite . Take care, V -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 3/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSppm meters
Mike Monett wrote: We ignore the oxides since they have no biological effect. We are only interested in the ion content. Here you claim silver oxide has no biological effect. OK. Since you state the particle size determines the color, the oxides in the photos should have all the colors of the rainbow. You claim I state the particle size determines the color, I made no such statement. The white color of silver chloride is not affected by the size of the particles. True. Silver chloride particles consist of an enormous number of molecules and are not nanoparticles. Silver chloride that has just been precipitated is white. According to your statement, both conditions should exhibit a wide range of color due to the variation in size. Not true. My statement pertained to nanoparticles of silver, not compounds consisting of very large particles and not solutions consisting of mostly ionic silver. This shows again that Mesosilver is composed of silver oxides. That is not true. Using your statements and your own logic it will be shown to be not true. According your statements: 1. silver oxide has no biological effect and 2. Mesosilver is silver oxide therefore, Mesosilver would have no biological effect. The inescapable conclusion must be that if Mesosilver DOES has a biological effect it cannot be silver oxide. I have presented proof that Mesosilver has biological effect that is comparable to the ASAP 22 ppm ionic product in this study: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/EMSL/Ecoli2.pdf Here are ten more biological studies that all show conclusively that Mesosilver has a very high biological effect: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html The EMSL studies conclusively prove that Mesosilver DOES have a significant biological effect and that effect is comparable to ionic silver. Therefore, using your own logic I have proven that Mesosilver cannot be silver oxide. Frank Key Colloidal Science Lab. www.colloidalsciencelab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS
BROOKS:would you comment? Dr. Mercola's Comment re sports drinks: Now that spring is here and temperatures are beginning to climb upward, I suspect many of you are itching to get outside and enjoy all the benefits the extra sun and warmth can do for you and your health. I have been running for nearly 40 years and it is not only my primary form of exercise but also a major part of my life. Some of you will also chose running. This is a good thing. After a good run or heavy-duty dose of weight training, you may be inclined to reach for one of the many popular rehydrating sports drinks your local gym or supermarket sells. There are many reasons why you shouldn't, and this study brings up a good one: they can corrode your teeth. This is a bad thing. Ironically, drinking sports drinks when you exercise and your mouth is dry is particularly problematic because you don't have enough saliva in your mouth to combat the drink's acidity. And, if you think fruit juice or soda are better alternatives, similar corrosive problems have been found with them too. There are situations where wise uses of healthy sports drinks are an option. However, this is far less than 1 percent of those that use them. The only indication for these drinks is in those who are vigorously exercising in cardiovascular aerobic activity for more than 45 minutes or an hour (at a minimum) and are sweating profusely as a result of the activity. Anything less than 45 minutes will simply not result in a large enough fluid loss to justify using these drinks. But even if you are exercising for more than an hour I still believe that there are likely far better options to rehydrate and this new study supports that belief. This is largely because soft drinks, energy drinks and fruit drinks are tainted with sugar. Studies have shown that some fruit juices contain as much as 8 teaspoons of fructose per 8-ounce glass. Additionally nearly all fruit juices are pasteurized which further damages the fluid. Energy drinks can contain up to 80 mgs of caffeine and many of the sports drinks contain high fructose corn syrup. If you aren't aware of the dangers of fructose please review the excellent AJCN journal article on this topic. There is a link on the page to the free full text review. It is also important to know that soft drinks (even the diet varieties) are harmful because they're loaded with artificial sweeteners like aspartame. In an article I posted about this time last year about thawing out from the previous winter by spring cleaning your body, the best bet for your primary fluid is clean, fresh water. So by all means, get out there and take advantage of the spring weather by hiking, jogging, walking, playing tennis--anything to be active. But leave the sports drinks at home, or, better yet, back on the supermarket shelf and bring some water with you instead.
CS
BROOKS:would you comment? Dr. Mercola's Comment re sports drinks: Now that spring is here and temperatures are beginning to climb upward, I suspect many of you are itching to get outside and enjoy all the benefits the extra sun and warmth can do for you and your health. I have been running for nearly 40 years and it is not only my primary form of exercise but also a major part of my life. Some of you will also chose running. This is a good thing. After a good run or heavy-duty dose of weight training, you may be inclined to reach for one of the many popular rehydrating sports drinks your local gym or supermarket sells. There are many reasons why you shouldn't, and this study brings up a good one: they can corrode your teeth. This is a bad thing. Ironically, drinking sports drinks when you exercise and your mouth is dry is particularly problematic because you don't have enough saliva in your mouth to combat the drink's acidity. And, if you think fruit juice or soda are better alternatives, similar corrosive problems have been found with them too. There are situations where wise uses of healthy sports drinks are an option. However, this is far less than 1 percent of those that use them. The only indication for these drinks is in those who are vigorously exercising in cardiovascular aerobic activity for more than 45 minutes or an hour (at a minimum) and are sweating profusely as a result of the activity. Anything less than 45 minutes will simply not result in a large enough fluid loss to justify using these drinks. But even if you are exercising for more than an hour I still believe that there are likely far better options to rehydrate and this new study supports that belief. This is largely because soft drinks, energy drinks and fruit drinks are tainted with sugar. Studies have shown that some fruit juices contain as much as 8 teaspoons of fructose per 8-ounce glass. Additionally nearly all fruit juices are pasteurized which further damages the fluid. Energy drinks can contain up to 80 mgs of caffeine and many of the sports drinks contain high fructose corn syrup. If you aren't aware of the dangers of fructose please review the excellent AJCN journal article on this topic. There is a link on the page to the free full text review. It is also important to know that soft drinks (even the diet varieties) are harmful because they're loaded with artificial sweeteners like aspartame. In an article I posted about this time last year about thawing out from the previous winter by spring cleaning your body, the best bet for your primary fluid is clean, fresh water. So by all means, get out there and take advantage of the spring weather by hiking, jogging, walking, playing tennis--anything to be active. But leave the sports drinks at home, or, better yet, back on the supermarket shelf and bring some water with you instead.
RE: CSBody pH - 10 Reasons to Avoid Acidosis
Like acid eating into marble, acidosis erodes and eats into cell wall membranes of the heart, arteries and veins, weakening cardiovascular structures and inter connective tissues. That's a common mistake often found in opinion articles and it's not how it happens at all. The blood does not have acidosis; it is alkaline. Toxin load causes acidosis of the extracellular matrix and lymph. This doesn't directly eat cell walls but impedes normal cell function and compromizes the body's antioxidant system's ability to neutralize the toxins. Oxidative stress (free radicals) naturally created by the mitochondria does the rest in absnce of a way to purge/neutralize the load. Everything in the cardiovascular system works normally when the pH of blood plasma is slightly alkaline, having a pH of 7.35 to 7.41. But when the heart plasma habitually becomes a relatively more acid pH7.35, it acts as a chemical irritant which slowly begins to attach and eat away at the smooth muscle tissues of the inner walls of arteries and veins, as well as the heart itself. No. For a full explanation and then some, see Dr. Steven Haltiwanger's brilliant monograph at http://royalrife.com/haltiwanger.html which contains references. Again, like acid slowly eating its way into marble, this erosion process begins to weaken the structural composition of the heart, arterial and venous walls, causing lesions and microscopic tearing throughout its framework. No. this weakening of arterial walls is due to free radical load, not acid blood. There is no erosion. 2. Accelerates Free-Radical Damage and Premature Aging Acidosis causes partial lipid breakdown and destructive oxidative cascades accelerating Free Radical Damage of cell walls and intracellular membrane structures, which then unravel, killing cells in the process. Acidosis is thus thought to be the first step toward premature aging, accelerating oxidative cascades of cell wall destruction, creating wrinkling, age spots, dysfunctioning hormonal systems, interfering with eyesight, memory, and a host of other age-related phenomena. At last a few facts, except for the 'intracellular mebrane structures unravelling. Howver, the process above, acidosis, is not causative, a first step, but an effect of toxin load. Toxin load allows for cell function impairment, which allows pH to drop. Remove toxin load and pH rises back to normal. Wastes which are not properly eliminated from the body actually poison the cells they are inappropriately stored in... Partly like that. The accumulated wastes are mainly stored in the extracellular matrix, outside the cells. This is because the ECM is supposed to either neutralize wastes or transport them but when the ionic load is wrong the functions are impaired. flooded with insulin so that it won't waste any calories, it diligently converts every calorie it can into fat. Could it be that an acid pH, from an imbalanced diet, produces a condition which stimulates the predetermined genetic response to starvation and famine as well, and thereafter requires that the body increasingly hoard every calorie consumed and store it as fat? Yes, indeed, it seems that it does! Speculation is but a first step towards understanding. This is not useful as a teaching tool, and in this case the speculation above is not supportd by actual knowledge about the process. It is thought that an acid pH immediately signals the powerful genetic response to an impending famine No, the genetic response is nothing more than turning gene expression on and off cell-by-cell; something that can be done with many substances. This is discussed in the Haltiwanger monograph, with referenced examples. LDL-Cholesterol is laid down at an accelerated rate within an acid chemical environment of the cardiovascular system, inappropriately lining the vascular network, and clogging up the works! Specifically, an acid pH initiates electrostatic potential, damaging arterial walls, No, arterial walls actually never see an acid pH, but they do see a lot of free radical damage due to the fact that we don't get enough antioxidants. Chronic free radical damage is known as oxidative stress because the involvement is with Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS), which contradicts the statement above that hydrogen (acidity) is involved. In other words the problem is that ROS grabs electrons. which in turn initiates a PDGF-dependent immune response, causing cholesterol oxidation and the formation of plaque with heavy metals. And the statement above indicates the writer is aware of at least some of the work. 5. Disrupts Blood Pressure Also, positive Ca and positive H regulate the activity of intracellular proteins and are driven out of cells, because of the Sodium-Potassium pump (Na-K pump), which provides a strong incentive for sodium to be driven into cells. There are some 10 times the amount of positive Na in extra cellular fluids than
RE: CSBody pH
According to The Calcium Factor by Robert Barefoot Coral Calcium plus Kombucha Tea balances the body's pH. I sell a lot of kombucha which is a very simply and cheap tea (pro-biotic) to make and enjoy at home. If you ask around you may find one at your neighbors and may get started for free. Just adding sugar and tea is all that's really needed. I put pictures up on my web site. http://www.happyherbalist.com/pictures.htm Kombucha is acidic, usually around 3.0. Like lemons. It is an alkaline forming food once it becomes part of the body's synergy. Some people make kombucha extract using alcohol - which kills the probiotics kombucha but leaves the acids (acetic and gluconic mostly) which they theorize is the catalyst for health. Now IMO, one could substitute CS for the alcohol. As both will kill the flora friendly kombucha, but not the acids and have a wonderful combination. Some people do this and monitor their pH via urine strips. Kombucha tea (alone without the CS) does begin to noticeable balance the pH within 30-60 days. many folks do both but at different times. live free and healthy, Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist member of the CS list since ... maybe 1999. seems I remember stuff about Y2K bug here. Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: SJY [mailto:youngst...@konnections.net] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:49 PM To: Silver List Subject: CSBody pH I have been reading some things that suggest as we age, our systems tend to become more acidic, and this in turn makes our systems more vulnerable to disease (e.g. cancer) and eventually death. Some advocate ingesting foods or other organic or inorganic compounds to shift one's pH to be slightly alkaline. Has anyone had any experience alkalizing their bodies? For example, is anyone having good results with a product called Alkaline Body Balance, or others like it, to mitigate cancer or other medical problems? To keep it CS oriented, I would assume there would be no harm in taking products to increase body alkalinity (e.g. potassium or cesium salts) along with doses of Colloidal and Ionic Silver. Comments? --Steve Y. (circa 2000 on the list) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBody pH SOME LINKS on pH links
Hi Louise! Wow, nicely written, I couldn't agree more, and thanks for the posting all of the info! I had a tough time restoring my body's ph balance ( the second time in life I've had to do so ) this time around. Trauma to the body and perpetual inflammation of tissues creates an acidic environment, which slows or can even prevent healing. Of interest? Quality hot springs can often, combined with good drinking water, correct mild acidosis within two days to a week. My personal research into baleneotherapy indicates that remineralization of tissues, coupled with PH level correction, is likely the reason that arthritis sufferers who achieve permanent relief from hot springs use do so. Like pelotherapy ( healing with earths/clays ), hydrotherapy with natural geothermal waters assists the body's lymphatic system with cleansing without placing a burden on the body's elimination organs. You can tell, in fact, a good healing mud ( as apposed to a healing clay which is different ) by taking someone who has mild to severe acidosis, taking any sterling silver item, such as a ring, having them place the item on/around the hand/fingers, and placing their hand in the mud for about a minute. If the the soft tissues of the body are too acidic, the silver will tarnish to black as the mud literally pulls the acids out of the body. As one begins to correct a problem of acidosis, it is very interesting to watch the first morning's PH reading, before eating/drinking. Even when one reaches the stage of a good saliva PH reading throughout the day and evening, my observation is that the morning reading is key in determining how much acidic waste the body has been STORING, and thus is now starting to ELIMINATE at night. In other words, one's saliva PH may read 6.6-7.0 through most of the day, but still read under 6.0 when waking. For those trying to heal severe conditions, one needs to continue to push the envelope until the morning reading is high... My research indicates that 1 out of the 4 primary body/metabolism types does nearly ALL of its primary tissue healing during sleep. Thus, the body really needs to be able to handle those acidic wastes during that sleep cycle. Once acidosis has been completely corrected, the body is quite good at maintaining it's own balance, with a sensible diet. After Alpha Omega Labs went out of business, I could no longer recommend their excellent potassium hyroxide solution to assist the body is correcting acidosis. I switched to plant food for some time ( KOH ), but was never comfortable with the quality. Fresh lemon water is the next best choice, in my opinion, because one can help regulate the PH all throughout the day. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Louise lou...@raw-connections.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:15 AM Subject: RE: CSBody pH SOME LINKS on pH links Well if you are drinking fresh lemon juice this helps the make the body more ALKALINE. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/alkaline_foods.htm http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/acidalkfoods.html http://www.naturalhealthschool.com/acid-alkaline.html Lessons on pH that you might find interesting. A discussion about pH levels can be found at: http://www.cwe.com/wellness/ph.htm Acid Ash and alkaline ash food table: http://www.cwe.com/wellness/foods.htm ALKALINE-ASH FOODS http://www.risingstarlc.com/acidalk.htm http://www.healthfree.com/health/newsletter/news4_2b.htm mini pH guide http://www.healthfree.com/health/newsletter/index.html Now if you have the time there is a LOT of interesting reading on this site They even have a little on Colloidal Silver. It is a interesting collections of newsletters. Well it is more complicated than knowing which foods are acidic or alkaline as some have the opposite effect in the body. Take for instance vit C that is acidic but makes the body more alkaline. Now for some meat makes their body more acidic but for some less so. So the food interacts with the body to change it but not always what we think. Also another example is Apple Cider vinegar, quite acidic but helps to make the body more alkaline. ACV contains MALIC ACID, a constructive acid which combines with alkaline elements and minerals in the body to produce energy or to be stored in the system as glycogen for future use. It has proved to be of immeasurable value when used judiciously by humans and for animals. If you take Betaine HCL and eating a grain starchy meal then it will not digest properly. IF you are taking it because you are low in Hydrochloric acid to digest meat you can increase it by drinking 2 glasses of water before eating, the mucus in the stomach lining will form as well. Many people are dehydrated and why they have problems digesting (this treats heartburn as well) Even when having heart burn if you drink 2 glasses of water the pain will go away, no need IMO for drugs to control the acid.
Re: CSWhooping cough
Do NOT treat with x-rays. - Original Message - From: enjaycee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: Re: CSWhooping cough morning list members I have a grandson 3 and 1/2 years old with symptoms on 10th day of coughing of this ailment being the culprit...a swab to be checked today...It is serious as I recall and we are concerned...any memories or suggestions would be appreciated...on googling I found it to be on the rise... Norm
Re: CSppm meters
Re: CSppm meters From: Ode Coyote Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:05:34 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78972.html http://www.silverpuppy.com/resource/ionpud1.jpg There is no tan color in that photo that's not an artifact of the lighting adding a golden hue to everything. I think I made note of that somewhere in there. The particle cloud is pure white in real life. Ode As you can see in the photos, the color depends on the lighting and where you look in the mist trail. The color fades as the oxides dissipate into the dw. Jason refers to it as yellow: Anywhere between 15 and 30 minutes, one should notice a thin yellow cloud or a yellow wisp drifting between the electrodes. http://www.silvermedicine.org/usage.html Utopia Silver calls it gold: Here is the golden mist process at work as the solution nears 10 ppm. This is the optimum concentration using this process. http://www.utopiasilver.com/generator.htm Peter Lindemann calls it yellow: Then finally, a faint yellow mist will begin to form. Within a few minutes, the reaction will speed up, but the particles produced will be a golden-yellow as viewed with a flashlight. http://www.silvergen.com/colloida.htm Others in the archives have called it tan or brown. To me, it's tan. Regards, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWas: Body pH, Now: Kombucha Tea
In a message dated 3/27/2005 11:07:21 AM Central Standard Time, edkas...@pacbell.net writes: Coral Calcium plus Kombucha Tea balances the body's pH. Ed -- I have a question for you regarding Kombucha Tea. I tried Kombucha several years ago. Was very successful growing new mushrooms and creating the liquid. But had a very hard time drinking it because I could not completely free the liquid from *strands* of matter -- which would of course become another mushroom. When I'd come upon one of these, it made me gag. Consequently, I just gave up. Is there a way to get around this problem? MA
Re: CSppm meters
Re: CSppm meters From: Ode Coyote Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:05:34 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78972.html http://www.silverpuppy.com/resource/ionpud1.jpg There is no tan color in that photo that's not an artifact of the lighting adding a golden hue to everything. I think I made note of that somewhere in there. The particle cloud is pure white in real life. Ode Ken, I just recalled a similar question in a related post where asked if silver hydroxide was white. Here's a partial to refresh your memory: Isn't silver hydroxide white? Ode You might be thinking of silver chloride, AgCl, which is white but turns black when exposed to light. http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78922.html I wonder if you're thinking of the white mist that comes off the anode when the electrode is contaminated with chlorine ions, or salt is added to the dw. That makes silver chloride. Yes, that mist is definitely white. But it only comes from the anode. The Utpoia photo shows brown/tan silver hydroxide coming from both electrodes: http://www.utopiasilver.com/images/gen3.jpg The color in your photo is going to be slightly different due to rendering in a browser, but to me it's pretty close to the color I get. In fact, I just got some the other day in an experiment, so the color is still fresh in my mind. It's quite close to your photo: http://www.silverpuppy.com/resource/ionpud1.jpg Does that make more sense? Regards, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS Questions
Hi, I've been lurking and trying to learn as much about collodial silver as possible for about the past 6 months and I've learned a tremendous amount. I plan on buying my own generator soon but right now I have two questions I hope someone can help me with. Can collodial silver be warmed in the microwave? I want to use it in my husbands and dog's ears and it would just be easier to heat it a few seconds in the microwave it it doesn't harm the silver. Second, I just purchased a bottle of collodial silver from my food co-op. It is made by Futurebiotics and is 10 ppm. I noticed the color is a light yellow. Since it's not clear, does this mean it is not of good quality? Thanks for any info you can give me. Yvonne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbasic dumb question
Re: CSbasic dumb question From: Ode Coyote Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:41:17 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78970.html I've seen the silver smearing off either electrode [should be just one, right?] If you are talking about misting, it can be both. Usually one electrode will have some feature that makes it different from the other. Such as length, a cut or burr on the side, different amount of etching and wear from being used as the anode, etc. The neat thing is if you can get the reaction to start at a specific electrode, the ions normally produced at that electrode go into making oxides instead of diffusing to the other electrode. So the other electrode doesn't see as many ions and doesn't make as much oxide. I use that principle in my high-uS generator. I split the cell into two rectangular chambers separated by a 4 inch polyethelyne pipe with 1/2 inch inside diameter. Each chamber holds 500ml of dw. (Here's the diagram. Please use a monospaced font) #A Electrode 1/2 pipe #B electrode |/ | +-|-+ / +-|-+ | | -- | | | | -- | | | | || | | | | Compartment || Compartment | | | | || | | | | 1 || 2 | | | | || | | | | || | | | | || | | | || | +---++---+ The theory is the ions in each chamber will tend to stay there, and only a few will go through the pipe to the opposite compartment. This requires a very high voltage to supply the current, since there are few ions in the pipe to contribute to current flow. In fact, the initial resistance is over 3 megohms. So I use a 330 volt constant current source that supplies variable current. Right now I am using 755uA. It takes a while to come out of saturation. The electrodes are flat 0.999 silver plates 1 inch wide. The wetted length is 4 inches, so each electrode is about 4 square inches. I do not count the reverse face since there seems to be relatively little current there. The magic part is if I get things working right, the silver ions go through the pipe and enter the opposite chamber. Since the current is so low, many of them reach the cathode and accept an electron and plate out on the cathode. But this has extremely beneficial results! It means one less hydroxyl ion is created, so the population of hydroxyls is reduced. It takes a very slight asymmetry in electrode length and placement to achieve this. One electrode is slightly longer than the other. I use this for the cathode. The chambers are also slightly different. Since there are fewer hydroxyls, the chance of them combining with a silver ion is reduced, so there are more silver ions to reach the cathode and take an electron. This process avalanches, and a point is reached where few hydroxyl ions are generated, and few are available to travel to the anode compartment. By now the ion concentration in the anode compartment is mostly silver, with a deficiency of hydroxyl ions. But the Hanna is calibrated for equal numbers of silver and hydroxyl ions. So in theory, if there were zero hydroxyls, the Hanna reading should be doubled. This means a reading of 40uS actually means a silver ion concentration of 80ppm! Of course, things never get this good. But the salt test is considerable stronger than would be indicated by the Hanna reading. Without more sophisticated (and expensive) equipment, I have no way to tell what the actual ion concentration is, so I just go by the PWT reading in uS. Now, my problem is the cell voltage would stalls during the brew, indicating everything was going to making oxides or plating out on the cathode. I found by removing and cleaning the electrodes, the process would continue and produce very concentrated cs. Anyhow, you can buy Silver Hydroxide Reagent? and it's described as a white powder, virtually insoluable in water. I think there's some mistake. Silver hydroxide is black or dark brown. Here's how it is used to make a mirrored flask. The instructions say: 4. While stirring, add concentrated ammonium hydroxide dropwise to the silver nitrate solution in the beaker until the gray-black silver hydroxide, AgOH, precipitate forms. Continue adding concentrated ammonium hydroxide dropwise with swirling until the silver diammine ionic complex,
Re: CSCS Questions/MICROWAVING
- Original Message - From: Yvonne yvon...@isp.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: CSCS Questions Can collodial silver be warmed in the microwave? I want to use it in my husbands and dog's ears and it would just be easier to heat it a few seconds in the microwave it it doesn't harm the silver. Yvonne, In my estimation, unless you want to debilitate someone's health or kill them outright, ingesting anything that's microwaved is unwise. There's an excerpt from one of my books on microwaving on my website that gives a lot of information. Go to: http://www.nenahsylver.com/default.asp?contentID=716toplevel=618 It should answer your questions. Best, Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD http://www.nenahsylver.com available now: The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy products and services for wellness -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS Questions/MICROWAVING
I clean my dog ears with room temperature CS...it doesn't seem to bother themI also drink it room temperature. -Original Message- From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:ne...@bestweb.net] Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:16 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS Questions/MICROWAVING - Original Message - From: Yvonne yvon...@isp.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: CSCS Questions Can collodial silver be warmed in the microwave? I want to use it in my husbands and dog's ears and it would just be easier to heat it a few seconds in the microwave it it doesn't harm the silver. Yvonne, In my estimation, unless you want to debilitate someone's health or kill them outright, ingesting anything that's microwaved is unwise. There's an excerpt from one of my books on microwaving on my website that gives a lot of information. Go to: http://www.nenahsylver.com/default.asp?contentID=716toplevel=618 It should answer your questions. Best, Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD http://www.nenahsylver.com available now: The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy products and services for wellness -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Questions
CSCS Questions From: Yvonne Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:51:45 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78982.html Hi, I've been lurking and trying to learn as much about collodial silver as possible for about the past 6 months and I've learned a tremendous amount. I plan on buying my own generator soon but right now I have two questions I hope someone can help me with. Can collodial silver be warmed in the microwave? I want to use it in my husbands and dog's ears and it would just be easier to heat it a few seconds in the microwave it it doesn't harm the silver. Second, I just purchased a bottle of collodial silver from my food co-op. It is made by Futurebiotics and is 10 ppm. I noticed the color is a light yellow. Since it's not clear, does this mean it is not of good quality? Thanks for any info you can give me. Yvonne Hi Yvonne, You only need a drop or two - it would be difficult to heat that amount in the microwave without boiling it. The small amount needed quickly heats to body temperature without discomfort. You could hold the dropper in your hand for a minute or two if it's cold. I would not recommend heating the cs. The higher temperature increases the ion thermal velocities, which increases the chance they will combine and form silver hydroxide. Here's the equations: Ag(+) + OH(-) -- AgOH Silver hydroxide is insoluble and inert. Only the ions have any biological activity. The Futurebiotics cs is heavily advertised on the web, but it is a mild silver protein product. According to Frank's report, it has zero ion concentration: Ionic Concentration: 0.0 ppm http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr07/cpr_07.html If you have not opened it, see if you can take it back and get a refund. MSP has little biological activity and can lead to argyria in high concentrations. It will have little effect in the 10ppm concentration. Does this help answer your questsions? Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Trem, Or anybody who can answer this. My husband has Fibromyalgia. Are you familiar with this and if so have you heard of anybody's experiences using ionic and/or colloidal ? Or do you have any suggestions. He was just diagnosed about a month ago so I am checking into all avenues that could help him with this ugly disease. Thanks in advance for anything you come up with. Laurie http://www.youravon.com/lbartlett
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You might consider this article on fibromyalgia. http://www.my4life.com/drdave Success Stories... Fibromyalgia I have fibromyalgia and multiple sclerosis (MS). I just have been in lots and lots of pain for years. It started with migraines when I was younger and then I had polio when I was 28. From that time on, the pain and the chronic migraines just got worse and worse. Finally, I ended up in bed and felt like I was a piece of cooked spaghetti because I lost all my strength from my neck down. I couldn't walk and I couldn't function. I had used a lot of herbs, I had been to a lot of doctors, and had used alternative remedies for years. A friend talked me into using a product containing transfer factors. I started out feeling just a little bit more strength if I lay in bed. I got a little bit stronger and a little bit stronger. I noticed I could at least get up with a cane or something like that for a little bit of time. Little by little I got stronger and then I had more time between my episodes. Finally after about two and a half months on that product, I felt really, really good and didn't have a lot of episodes until I went outside and started pulling weeds. That kind of knocked me down again for a day. I have also been using a product for the pain that contains Methyl sulfonyl methane (MSM), Boswellia serrata, Grape extract, Devil's Claw, Alpha lipoic acid, Magnesium, Vitamin B6, Malic acid and more, which has just been fantastic. Whenever I start feeling the pain come on, I use that product. Later, I tried a product with transfer factors, zinc, maitake and shiitake mushrooms, IP6, cordyceps, thymic factors, manans and beta glucan. I had a little bit more cleansing go on, so I backed off the amount I was using. I'm just doing great. In fact I'm out jumping on the trampoline with the grandkids sometimes. I do have to watch it a little bit and get some rest. But I've never been down like I was last year. It's just been fantastic. S. H. Utah Trem, Or anybody who can answer this. My husband has Fibromyalgia. Are you familiar with this and if so have you heard of anybody's experiences using ionic and/or colloidal ? Or do you have any suggestions. He was just diagnosed about a month ago so I am checking into all avenues that could help him with this ugly disease. Thanks in advance for anything you come up with. Laurie http://www.youravon.com/lbartlett
CSRe: Questions
Hi All, I just want to say THANKS to everyone who gave me info and answered my questions. As soon as I get my colloidal silver generator, I am sure I will have more questions since I'm really new to this concept. The first CS I purchased was from Rich Adams and it has done wonders to heal cuts, scrapes, etc and I'm putting it in my dog's drinking water and taking some myself each day. My dog has severe allergies and I have tried just about anything and everything--different vets, all kinds of supplements, foods, etc. Some things work marginally and others not at all. I'm trying the CS now on her ears. She is a Cocker Spaniel and they are an ongoing problem. I'm taking the CS myself for arthritis and it seems to be helping. Thanks again for the information. Yvonne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Questions
Colloidal silver is a remarkable product...but it is NOT a panacea for a number of reasons. Cocker Spaniels are more prone to frequent and/or chronic ear infections than many other breeds. Once the original infection is under control and there are no longer any open sores in the ear canals then a good preventative is 1/2 white vinegar and 1/2 iso-propyl alcohol once a week or after any possible insult to the ear. You can add CS to this solution for an added benefit. -Original Message- From: Yvonne [mailto:yvon...@isp.com] Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Questions Hi All, I just want to say THANKS to everyone who gave me info and answered my questions. As soon as I get my colloidal silver generator, I am sure I will have more questions since I'm really new to this concept. The first CS I purchased was from Rich Adams and it has done wonders to heal cuts, scrapes, etc and I'm putting it in my dog's drinking water and taking some myself each day. My dog has severe allergies and I have tried just about anything and everything--different vets, all kinds of supplements, foods, etc. Some things work marginally and others not at all. I'm trying the CS now on her ears. She is a Cocker Spaniel and they are an ongoing problem. I'm taking the CS myself for arthritis and it seems to be helping. Thanks again for the information. Yvonne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS and heating
Hello everybody, I understand from a previous question, about heating CS, that this is not advisable. As I am making my own CS since last week, I am still in the middle of experimenting. For instance someone advised me to use 500 ml cold, and 500 ml heated (not boil) water, so that the total of 1 litre would be around 60 degrees Celcius. This warm temperature would make a better CS I was told. Uptil now I got a cristal clear, colourless quality of CS by using sterilised - only cold - water from the chemist. But when I warmed half a litre and poured it with the cold half a litre, the endresult of the CS was light yellow, not cristal clear colourless. Is it right to conclude that heating part of the water is no good idea, perhaps because of mineral parts from the kettle? Another question: what sort of quality is CS with a light yellow colour? Is it only good enough to water the plants for instance, but not good enough to ingest? Thanks, and looking forward to your reply! Erna
CSRe[2]: CSBody pH
Hi David, Yes I have read all that resarch also. I think it is missing some critical points however. here are my references you requested, which all indicate to me to eat acids Here is a book by a russian scientist http://www.h-longevity.net/eng/1.shtml Here is a book by a MD that did three years of HCL therapy (third link down) http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=3+years+of+HCL+therapy Not to mention the book by Jarvis http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/044920880X/102-5116835-9706539 The acids provide the hydrogen Plus ions which are the best antioxidants of any. now excuse me while I have a glass of carbonic acid to drink. LoL The acids can be used to carry the alkaline minerals into t he body. I dont deny we need alkaline minerals. the hydrogen plus ions provided by acids are the most important ingredient one needs. Why do you think the body gose to an acid state when there is cancer. the body has its own intelligince it dose not go tward the acid out of ignorance. it gose toward the acid to gain more protons without which it will die. the body needs the protons to get the oxygen and to make ATP. the ATP is the energy of the cells. to make ATP the mitochandria create a proton gradient as an opposite pol to its electron chain. when it bulids up enough protons it can make one ATP molecule. no protons no energy. source of protons is acids. When people try to alkalize their bodies my consuming masses of alkaline substances then they are neutralizing t he acids and starving the cells from gettnig their protons(acids). so we can jsut go and re-parrot all the stuff we read about alkilizing the body, orlwe can take a closer look and see maybe thats not all its made out to be, it may jsuth be hype to sell coral calcium and water ionizers that make alkaline water. Which of course has free protons in it and usesless to the body. people sholud be drinknig the acid water instead. The acid water has positive hydrogen ions in it, the yummiest food for the mitochodria to aid in their photosynthesis. Take care, V I would say you have it backwards...your serum, saliva, and urine pH should be alkaline...NOT acid. Most of the research I've read indicates that all sick and all cancer people slip to the acid sideand that cancer cannot grow in the alkaline environment. Please recheck your data before you continue the path you are on. If you find something different...please advise with references. Thank you. -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
