Re: CS>mercury chelating

2005-06-13 Thread Charles Sutton
Call the Adkins Center for a chelation doctor near you.

- Original Message - 
From: "Betsy Coffey" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:34 PM
Subject: CS>mercury chelating




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Re: CS>Speaking of chelation

2005-06-13 Thread Charles Sutton
I can only give you my personal experiences with chelation.  I have had 102 
chelation treatments.  As I understand it from my doctor and the nurses in the 
chelation room, EDTA (ethelynediaminetetrecedic acid) is for removing heavy 
metals safely from the body. It also clears the calcification fro the arteries. 
 This would have nothing to do with killing any pathogens.  

What I do, since I have done my own study and research on DMSO, is have them 
put 10cc of pure DMSO in my chelation bag.  This is what will kill pathogens.  
In fact DMSO is approved by the FDA for treatment of Intersistial (sp) 
cystitis.  Apparantly because it is the only thing that can reach that far 
inside the body (supposition).  I increased my treatments to one a week for the 
last 12 weeks because I have afib, and I read that one of the possible causes 
could be hardning of the arteries, and I had become lax on my treatments only 
getting one every 3 to 6 months, instead of monthly as recommended.  I'm in 
sinus rythem now, and trying to defeat my next dragon, type II diabetes...btw, 
my immune system is ironclad.  I live with a lady who recently had a severe 
upper respiratory infection and resultant cough.  Her mother got it from her on 
a visit.  I didn't get it at all, and I sleep with her... Of course I sneaked 
about a pint of CS every night on one of my trips to pee
  - Original Message - 
  From: Linda Ellis 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:42 PM
  Subject: CS>Speaking of chelation


  We have just had an experience here, and I wonder if anyone on this list can 
point me to resources to check this out.

  My mother-in-law was admitted to ICU with severe infections - she has had 
UTIs about three times a year for 20 years, 

Re: CS>

2005-06-13 Thread Jonathan B. Britten
More about the pancreas again.   Harvard University has just announced 
that it will carry out stem cell research with Tokyo University.   One 
aim is to restore damaged pancreases.   This has been done in Brazil.   
Bottom line:  some kinds of diabetes may be fully curable in the 
not-distant future.   Whether Americans will have to go overseas for 
treatment remains to be seen.



JBB



On Tuesday, Jun 14, 2005, at 06:44 Asia/Tokyo, FRANK CUNS-RIAL wrote:


The effects of Gymmema in the hypoglycemicare a complex issue.
Gymmena works in more than one way. In addition to stimulating the 
pancreas to elicit more insulin (probably by increasing membrane 
permeability) It is therefore important to control the amounts taken 
so not to overdue this production. 

Re: CS>Forward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn

2005-06-13 Thread Rich Adams

Ole Bob wanted me to post this link:

http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/news_detail.php?NewsID=10 



- Original Message - 
From: "sol" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Forward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn


Couldn't there be that amount of particles though? Ole Bob was only 
testing for ions, right? Would his tests therefore have detected 
particles at all?

sol

William Missett wrote:



Thanks to Rich Adams, for instigating and paying for the Microdyn and 
the testing, and to Ole Bob for the testing, to solve this Microdyn 
mystery.  So the infamous 3200ppm Microdyn is only 70 ppm?  I'm crushed.





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Re: CS>mercury chelating

2005-06-13 Thread Debbie Mcdonald
This is the truth. Each so called professional usually
only has one way, their way, they don't want to learn
what is different about you. Yes on DMPS warnings.
Among many other horrors, it can make your SOX
capabilities cease and then you are in a really bad
place. First alt metal detox "pro" I went to wanted to
do a DMPS challenge on me and I STILL HAD MY AMALGAM
FILLINGS IN PLACE. Last one I went to, name prominent
in alt circles, FRIED me with homeopathic merc(without
telling me what it was, I knew better) on purpose. Deb

--- Betsy Coffey  wrote:

> I agree with the opinion about being cautious with
> chelating. It is a valid form of treatment and has
> been beneficial for many people but caution must be
> used. I cannot remember if this has been posted here
> or not but anyone with a sulfur or sulfa allergy
> must
> not use DMPS chelating as a treatment. It can cause
> major problems. Chelating heavy metals is not
> somthing
> to undertake without professional help which I find
> almost impossible nowadays.


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CS>

2005-06-13 Thread FRANK CUNS-RIAL
The effects of Gymmema in the hypoglycemicare a complex issue. 
Gymmena works in more than one way. In addition to stimulating the pancreas to 
elicit more insulin (probably by increasing membrane permeability) It is 
therefore important to control the amounts taken so not to overdue this 
production. Gymmena has been taken for over 2000 years by diabetics and it has 
a remarkable track record of safety. The action of Gymmema also removes excess 
of corticosteroid metabolites from the body reducing their deleterous 
effects.Additionally, it may regenerate the islets of Langerhans and reduce the 
amount of glucose absortion.
Modern formulas attenuate the effect of its ingredients by incorporating 
"modulators" such as Chromium and Vanadium compounds.
It is also important to understand the physiology of diabetes II or non-insulin 
dependent. 
Insulin is pumped out into the blood stream in two separate burts. The first 
burst is stored insulin previously produced by the pancreas. This burst occurs 
within minutes of ingesting any meal (this includes proteins ) 
Hypoglycemics eat constantly and thus may deplete this storage. When a large 
meal comes along there may not be sufficient insulin to take care of the 
quickly burning carbohydrates. 
This may produce a rise in glucose, after the meal (pospandrial), depending on 
the size and composition of the meal and the remaining stored insulin.
The second burst is freshly produced during the ensuing 2-3 hours after the 
meals. This process is easily traceable by a test knwon as GTT (glucos 
tolerance test) which tracks the above dynamics typical of a tipe II. Thus, it 
follows that is not necessarily clear whether the hypoglycemic is suffering 
from an excess of insulin at all times during this process.
Alopathics, in their attempt to standardize and measure everything and 
everybody do come up with simplistic definitions like hypoglycemics are sugar 
deficient.In reality, hypoglycemics are unable to control glucose within a 
narrow range.
I believe that the small amount of Gymmema being used to control sporadic 
excesses as well as disposing of corticosteriodal material produced by the 
adrenal glands in response to excessive glucose, is beneficial.
Excessive compsumption of Gymmema extracts should be avoided and monotherapy 
carefully tracked.




 Shimizu K, Ozeki M, Tanaka K, Itoh K, Nakajyo S, Urakawa N, Atsuchi M. 
Suppression of glucose absorption by extracts from the leaves of Gymnema 
inodorum. Journal of Veterinary Medical Science. 1997;59(9):753-757.  
Shanmugasundaram ER, Gopinath KL, Radha Shanmugasundaram K, Rajendran VM. 
Possible regeneration of the islets of Langerhans in streptozotocin-diabetic 
rats given Gymnema sylvestre leaf extracts. Journal of Ethnopharmacology. 
 Nakamura Y, Tsumura Y, Tonogai Y, Shibata T. Fecal steroid excretion is 
increased in rats by oral administration of gymnemic acids contained in Gymnema 
sylvestre leaves. Journal of Nutrition. 1999;129(6):1214-1222. 

CS>Speaking of chelation

2005-06-13 Thread Linda Ellis
We have just had an experience here, and I wonder if anyone on this list can 
point me to resources to check this out.
 
My mother-in-law was admitted to ICU with severe infections - she has had UTIs 
about three times a year for 20 years, always treated with antibiotics, right 
up through Cipro the last several times.  In this last round, it became clear 
that a) her body was not fighting the infections any more; and b) the infection 
had migrated out of a urinary tract infection, and into a more systemic 
infection.
 
One of my sisters-in-law convinced mom to undergo chelation.  While Tom and I 
personally have no problem with chelation under certain conditions, I 
questioned its efficacy to treat systemic infections.  And, Tom's other six 
siblings, who are less than open to alternatives, went into high gear 
researching and trying to research.  Their concerns included whether chelation 
was useful in treating infections like strep or staph.  Also, a big concern was 
some info they uncovered that chelation also depressed the immune system in the 
elderly, and they didn't think mom could handle that. 
 
Well, the one sister-in-law prevailed; mom underwent two or three chelation 
sessions, and ended up back in the hospital ICU, this time with a respirator.  
The infection was back stronger than ever, and on top of that, she had 
pneumonia.
 
The end result was, she passed away two weeks ago, and there's likely to be a 
battle about whether the chelation could have contributed to her death by 
depressing her immune system.  (Believe me, this is not the only issue on the 
table in a brewing battle between a single "black sheep" daughter and her six 
siblings, but it's the only one I can do any research on!).
 
So, can anybody out there point me to any reading that could confirm or refute 
how chelation works in the treatment of infections; and whether it has even a 
temporary effect of depressing the immune system?
 
Thanks!
 
Linda Ellis


Betsy Coffey  wrote:
I agree with the opinion about being cautious with
chelating. It is a valid form of treatment and has
been beneficial for many people but caution must be
used. I cannot remember if this has been posted here
or not but anyone with a sulfur or sulfa allergy must
not use DMPS chelating as a treatment. It can cause
major problems. Chelating heavy metals is not somthing
to undertake without professional help which I find
almost impossible nowadays.



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CS>mercury chelating

2005-06-13 Thread Betsy Coffey
I agree with the opinion about being cautious with
chelating. It is a valid form of treatment and has
been beneficial for many people but caution must be
used. I cannot remember if this has been posted here
or not but anyone with a sulfur or sulfa allergy must
not use DMPS chelating as a treatment. It can cause
major problems. Chelating heavy metals is not somthing
to undertake without professional help which I find
almost impossible nowadays.



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Re: CS>Forward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn

2005-06-13 Thread sol
Couldn't there be that amount of particles though? Ole Bob was only 
testing for ions, right? Would his tests therefore have detected 
particles at all?

sol

William Missett wrote:



Thanks to Rich Adams, for instigating and paying for the Microdyn and 
the testing, and to Ole Bob for the testing, to solve this Microdyn 
mystery.  So the infamous 3200ppm Microdyn is only 70 ppm?  I'm crushed.





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Re: CS>Forward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn

2005-06-13 Thread William Missett


Thanks to Rich Adams, for instigating and paying for the Microdyn and the 
testing, and to Ole Bob for the testing, to solve this Microdyn mystery.  So 
the infamous 3200ppm Microdyn is only 70 ppm?  I'm crushed.



- Original Message - 
From: "William Missett" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Forward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn


I'm pretty sure the off-color phenomena is caused by the food coloring 
(from animal sources, probably liver) to make the Microdyn look like 
iodine, the former water purifier of choice in these parts.


- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Adams" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: CS>Forward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn



Hi Rich,

Here are the test results and some necessary commentary.

Spectrophotometry is a commercial color test for measuring the amount of 
silver ions lost in the wash water of the silver plating industry,


Since 1989 I have made over 800 tests for silver ions. The human body 
cannot use silver colloids, only silver ions that combine with to form 
compound. You do not make colloidal silver. What you make is a silver 
hydro-sol or a silver solution.


Four tests were made:
#1. One drop of Microdyn in one liter of DW. indicated ionic content is 
0.33 PPM.
#4. Seven drops added to the about (suggested use was to wash vegetables 
or fruits)
 measured   ionic content 2.2 PPM. which correlates well with #1 
(0.33x8= 2.64)
#2. One cc of Microdyne in 50 c DW (standard test for silver ions), when 
mixed with the
 reagent chemicals a bright red color produced indicating a high 
ionic content.
 When 500/1 solution was added to bleach it turned black. (it should 
have become
 colorless). Diluting the remaining red solution 2/1 it became 
colorless. It should have

 been less red. Something wrong.
#3. Test #2 two repeated, but when adding the solution to the reagent 
chemicals a foam
 developed. (never seen this before) The mix became a very dark red 
indicating high ionic
 content. The 50/1 solution was diluted to 200/1 so that the product 
would be in the test
 equipment measuring range. The test proceeded normally and indicated 
a 70 PPM

 ionic silver content.

For the newbies a European greenhouse test showed that a 20-40 PPB 
(billion) was very
effective in eliminating cucumber Mosaic and the owner reported that he 
had need seen such large cucumbers.


The Hawkins Jensen report of several years ago showed that a 3 PPM was 10 
to 50 times more effective that 10 or 20 PPM in invitro testing of 
bacteria and virus.


"Ole Bob"



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Re: CS>***Study conclusion that Gymnema acts by increasing cell permeabiliy plus increasing insulin secretion

2005-06-13 Thread Debbie Mcdonald
Hi Jean,
  Those words are from a study, not mine but I would
not interpret it that way, Deb

--- "oldgl...@bigcountry.net"
 wrote:

> Hi Debbie,
> 
> Are you saying gymnema sylvestre acts in the same
> way as prescription drugs?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jean
> 
> ***
>  
>  
> > And what this says is that gymnema increases the
> > release of insulin from the pancreas, and the
> > mechanism is increasing cell permeability and
> > making it leaky to the insulin comes out more
> readily.
> > This is very different that increasing insulin
> > sensitivity (responsiveness) at the cell level in
> > the peripheral tissues. Releasing more insulin
> > actuallly worsens hyperinsulinemia, which in turn
> > may lower blood sugar but at the expense of
> > insulinemic damage throughout the system.
> > 
> > 
> > --


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Re: CS>Forward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn

2005-06-13 Thread William Missett
I'm pretty sure the off-color phenomena is caused by the food coloring (from 
animal sources, probably liver) to make the Microdyn look like iodine, the 
former water purifier of choice in these parts.


- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Adams" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: CS>Forward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn



Hi Rich,

Here are the test results and some necessary commentary.

Spectrophotometry is a commercial color test for measuring the amount of 
silver ions lost in the wash water of the silver plating industry,


Since 1989 I have made over 800 tests for silver ions. The human body 
cannot use silver colloids, only silver ions that combine with to form 
compound. You do not make colloidal silver. What you make is a silver 
hydro-sol or a silver solution.


Four tests were made:
#1. One drop of Microdyn in one liter of DW. indicated ionic content is 
0.33 PPM.
#4. Seven drops added to the about (suggested use was to wash vegetables 
or fruits)
 measured   ionic content 2.2 PPM. which correlates well with #1 
(0.33x8= 2.64)
#2. One cc of Microdyne in 50 c DW (standard test for silver ions), when 
mixed with the
 reagent chemicals a bright red color produced indicating a high ionic 
content.
 When 500/1 solution was added to bleach it turned black. (it should 
have become
 colorless). Diluting the remaining red solution 2/1 it became 
colorless. It should have

 been less red. Something wrong.
#3. Test #2 two repeated, but when adding the solution to the reagent 
chemicals a foam
 developed. (never seen this before) The mix became a very dark red 
indicating high ionic
 content. The 50/1 solution was diluted to 200/1 so that the product 
would be in the test
 equipment measuring range. The test proceeded normally and indicated 
a 70 PPM

 ionic silver content.

For the newbies a European greenhouse test showed that a 20-40 PPB 
(billion) was very
effective in eliminating cucumber Mosaic and the owner reported that he 
had need seen such large cucumbers.


The Hawkins Jensen report of several years ago showed that a 3 PPM was 10 
to 50 times more effective that 10 or 20 PPM in invitro testing of 
bacteria and virus.


"Ole Bob"



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CS>cure for diabetes

2005-06-13 Thread kallie miller
Since the subject of curing diabetes is the topic at the moment, I have
forwarded this email I received today.

Kallie

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CS>***Study conclusion that Gymnema acts by increasing cell permeabiliy plus increasing insulin secretion

2005-06-13 Thread oldgl...@bigcountry.net
Hi Debbie,

Are you saying gymnema sylvestre acts in the same way as prescription drugs?

Thank you,

Jean

***
 
 
> And what this says is that gymnema increases the
> release of insulin from the pancreas, and the
> mechanism is increasing cell permeability and
> making it leaky to the insulin comes out more readily.
> This is very different that increasing insulin
> sensitivity (responsiveness) at the cell level in
> the peripheral tissues. Releasing more insulin
> actuallly worsens hyperinsulinemia, which in turn
> may lower blood sugar but at the expense of
> insulinemic damage throughout the system.
> 
> 
> --
> 


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CS>**abcess on brain?

2005-06-13 Thread Debbie Mcdonald
Someone on another list has a son with this, I
wondered what might cause it? Deb


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CS>***Study conclusion that Gymnema acts by increasing cell permeabiliy plus increasing insulin secretion

2005-06-13 Thread Debbie Mcdonald

snip
>>>
Examination of islet and beta-cell integrity
after exposure to GS4, by trypan blue exclusion,
indicated that concentrations of GS4 that stimulated
insulin secretion also caused increased uptake of dye.
Two gymnemic acid-enriched fractions of GS4, obtained
by size exclusion and silica gel chromatography, also
caused increases in insulin secretion concomitant with
increased trypan blue uptake. These results confirm
the stimulatory effects of G. sylvestre on insulin
release, but indicate that GS4 acts by increasing cell
permeability, rather than by stimulating exocytosis by
regulated pathways.>
> > > 
> > >
And what this says is that gymnema increases the
release of insulin from the pancreas, and the
mechanism is increasing cell permeability and
making
it leaky to the insulin comes out more readily.
This
is very different that increasing insulin
sensitivity (responsiveness) at the cell level in
the peripheral tissues. Releasing more insulin
actuallly worsens hyperinsulinemia, which in turn
may lower blood sugar but at the expense of
insulinemic damage throughout the system.


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CS>Forward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn

2005-06-13 Thread Rich Adams

Hi Rich,

Here are the test results and some necessary commentary.

Spectrophotometry is a commercial color test for measuring the amount of 
silver ions lost in the wash water of the silver plating industry,


Since 1989 I have made over 800 tests for silver ions. The human body cannot 
use silver colloids, only silver ions that combine with to form compound. 
You do not make colloidal silver. What you make is a silver hydro-sol or a 
silver solution.


Four tests were made:
#1. One drop of Microdyn in one liter of DW. indicated ionic content is 0.33 
PPM.
#4. Seven drops added to the about (suggested use was to wash vegetables or 
fruits)
 measured   ionic content 2.2 PPM. which correlates well with #1 
(0.33x8= 2.64)
#2. One cc of Microdyne in 50 c DW (standard test for silver ions), when 
mixed with the
 reagent chemicals a bright red color produced indicating a high ionic 
content.
 When 500/1 solution was added to bleach it turned black. (it should 
have become
 colorless). Diluting the remaining red solution 2/1 it became 
colorless. It should have

 been less red. Something wrong.
#3. Test #2 two repeated, but when adding the solution to the reagent 
chemicals a foam
 developed. (never seen this before) The mix became a very dark red 
indicating high ionic
 content. The 50/1 solution was diluted to 200/1 so that the product 
would be in the test
 equipment measuring range. The test proceeded normally and indicated a 
70 PPM

 ionic silver content.

For the newbies a European greenhouse test showed that a 20-40 PPB (billion) 
was very
effective in eliminating cucumber Mosaic and the owner reported that he had 
need seen such large cucumbers.


The Hawkins Jensen report of several years ago showed that a 3 PPM was 10 to 
50 times more effective that 10 or 20 PPM in invitro testing of bacteria and 
virus.


"Ole Bob"



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Re: CS>Collodial Gold

2005-06-13 Thread Marshall Dudley
Chelation.  I had good succes with the Extreme Health oral chelation
several years ago.  There are a number of herbs and so forth are
reported to help as well.

Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:

> What is the best thing to  eliminate heavy metals from your system.
> Has anyone had any experience with collodial gold?thanks much
> ...debbie


Re: CS>yellowish cs

2005-06-13 Thread Ode Coyote
 It's "OK" to use...maybe not the best possible.
You don't need to use colored glass if you didn't use anything but distilled water and silver to make it.
A few drops of Hydrogen Peroxide will clear it up again.  One drop per 2-6 Fl oz is enough. [4 to 8 drops per quart generally does it]

Ode

At 07:04 PM 6/12/2005 -0700, you wrote: 

I made a batch of cs 6 months ago and did not have a need to use it.Then the cs was clear like water. Today I found it to be yellowish. Can you tell me what is wrong and can it be used safely? I did put the cs in amber bottle after I made it .


Thanks,


Boone


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