date:20050819

  I have been gifted with a great deal of laughter on this morning via
snipetts from the mixed scales model of a logic train and the analysis of
the ride to La La land!

OK Veganexus, I concede that you won the prize.
 If I identified what that prize 'was'well, it might dull the point you
won for yourself and today is smile and laughter day.
..so just polish up that achievement spire and wear the cranial victory,
proudly displayed for all to admire
heads above all of similar ilk.

 Enjoy this day. :-)
Ode

At 05:02 PM 8/18/2005 -5, you wrote:

Hi folks!

I've just devoted the better part of an hour analyzing the controversy 
over Silver particles in the lung and the imperative of winning 
arguments. I have traced the following evolution:


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Re: CSAny help for Wendy here??

  I would say offhand that the CS [as CS] is no longer any good and that
I wouldn't use it.

Ode



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From: Wendy wen...@tuxnightclub.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:59:40 -0400
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Hi there. 

I'm usually pretty good about searching the archives for info before 
posting but it's midnight and I'm a bit strapped for time and Ihave a 
quick question.  

My 4 yr old is coming down with something- he's a bit too old for it 
but it sounds croupy (although we had whooping cough in the spring and 
he's still run down from that and hasn't shaken that cough completely 
and it's been 4 months)  

I've been giving him CS my dad is making and testing with the SG6 
(orally and in his ears), zinc, vitamin C (sodium ascorbate) all day 
and some homeopathic aconite. I thought for sure I had it - we had a 
lovely walk at 8pm, but alas he now has a barky cough as we go into the 
night. Stuff always happens at night doesn't it??? ;-)  

I went to give him some CS when he woke up thought I had a clean glass 
but accidentally poured it in the cup that had had the vitamin C in it -
 

it turned grey blue immediately- I thought oh no. So I decided to use 
the eye dropper which I also thought was clean which had C on it too 
(remember I'm dealing with an upset 4 yr old at the same time) and I 
stuck the eye dropper in the jar of CS and now it's all gone cloudy (I 
can't see through it), looks like old milky tea  

Is this CS still useable or have I ruined it???  

Is it supposed to do this??  

Should CS be taken alone or is ok to take with other supplements, food 
etc.?  

Thanks in advance  


Wendy

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Re: CSBeck Protocol

  I have never noticed that sunlight or air damages CS. [made with silver and water only]

I have several samples that have been sitting on a sunny windowsill for years and they all appear to be still as good as the day after they were made.
Hydrogen sulphide and other pollutants in the air could have an  effect.
I 'nuked' a batch to see what would happen. So far as I could tell, it just boiled.
I used to mix CS with wet cat food to alleviate hair loss and skin insults from flea allergy...mixed and fed immediately...and that worked pretty good. [Cat died at 17 yrs old..no more bald spots or weeping bumps]

Search up the 3 ex marines and the rotten hamburger story in the archives.
Cooking with CS at least does a job on food, if not the eater  directly.

Ode

At 04:00 PM 8/18/2005 -0700, you wrote: 

I might add the V who is in this group sells the cs maker...includes a cd with all kinds of info on Beck.
I didn't realize you could cook with cs does anything damage cs besides sunlight and air?
Thanks everyone for the excellent flow of information to the hungry minds:)...deb


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Re: CSWater Vortex Magnetizer

 Make one for a dollar or buy one for $3 and try it out.
Neodymimum magnets can be had on ebay cheap...or check a hobby shop.
..a few drops of superglue or some tape and there ya go.
$36 for a $5 tops item that's been a childs toy for many decades...you choose.

Make one:
http://www.wackyuses.com/experiments/tornadomachine.htm

Buy one:
http://storeforknowledge.com/CycloneTube-Science-Toy-P5599C197.aspx
CycloneTube Science Toy

SKU: toy-4322
PRICE: 2.95

IN STOCK.

Toysareus might have them too.

Ode







At 04:49 PM 8/18/2005 -0700, you wrote: 



What think yee great mindsdeb


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CScyst removal

I removed a big 20 year old hardened cyst as big as the top of my thumb formed around a bit of gravel obtained in a road rash encounter this way: [Also works on boils]

I had a doc 'look' at it once. $87 for a 2 second glance and $400+ to remove it? [that's 1978 dollars too! ..over a months pay.] Not a chance!
I told that blood sucker that I'd cut it out myself first and that's just what I did.
PS, I didn't pay him. [I 'would' have paid him maybe $5 or $10]

A cyst is an encapsulation and isolation of a foreign substance. It's the bodies way of stabilizing an area. It would be rare for one to go away on it's own even after many years
Techinque was passed on to me by a Nam vet who learned it from the locals. He removed a boil from my back this way in the early 70s. It did quite well and didn't hurt but just a little bit...and then, only for a few minutes.

1] Apply a hot wet washcloth to cyst to soften the area.
2]Take a narrow neck bottle that will fit over the cyst and drop in a small piece of alchohol soaked cotton.
3] Apply mineral oil or olive oil to the area on and around the cyst to make a good seal for step 4
4] Light the cotton and snuff the flame out by quickly applying the bottle neck to the skin so it surrounds the cyst. Heat rises..do that with the bottle held vertically, but if you don't, the flame goes out so fast that it won't burn anything..might get a little hot for a second.
5] Hold the bottle there for several minutes.

What this does is create a strong vacccum that pulls the cyst to the surface and softens the contents.
A tall shot glass works too but I prefer a small bottle...more volume for a better vaccuum over a smaller area.

For really hard cysts it might take a few daily sessions to prepare the area. When it's soft and bulgy, it's ready.
It's called cupping
There may be some minor bruising in the area afterwards.

6] I then held an ice cube against the spot for a few minutes to numb the skin...then slashed the bulge with a new razor blade and emptied the contents by squeezing and again applying the bottle till everything came out.

7] Remove the 'bag' that surrounded the contents with tweezers. [Takes a little probing but it doesn't 'hurt'..much.]

Now, this as before I ever heard of CS.
Today, I would flush out the hole with CS using a syringe without [or with] a needle and cover it for several hours with a piece of paper towel kept soaked with CS...or a gauze bandage kept soaked with CS

Regardless, it all healed up in a few days without incident or any significant scarring. I did miss a little piece of the 'bag', but it worked its way out after a while.

Ode

At 11:16 PM 8/18/2005 EDT, you wrote:

We are currently using DMSO and iodine for the removal of a sebacous cyst as promoted by Dr. Jonathan Wright. At first I tried to mix the dmso gel and iodine together. It did not mix well. Then I decided to try applying the iodine to the skin over they cyst. let it breifly dry then coat with the dmso gel. This seems to work well. After only two applications I can feel that the cyst is changing in firmness. The treatment is only suppose to take a week. We are anticipating a positive outcome. The cyst is located on my sons neck. He had been bugging me to get it surgically removed. Well, in a few days we will know if it will be necessary. Will let you know.
Barb

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Re: CSiodine and DMSO

2005-08-19 Thread Rowena

iodine for the removal of a sebacous
 cyst ... iodine to the skin over the cyst. let it briefly dry
 then coat with the dmso gel.

 what would be the
negatives to use this on a cyst on a dog's chest.  do dogs tolerate
iodine enough to use this modality

Might the dog's chest not be a bit close to the dog's lungs and get you into 
trouble with the listowner?


This is very useful information about the iodine and DMSO - I have liquid 
DMSO myself, so it shouldn't be a problem mixing it, though I might add CS 
to dilute a bit.  Now all I need is a sebaceous cyst somewhere.

Some thirty years ago my husband and son came home with ringworm, which I 
suspect came from the swimming baths they were attending.  I forget what we 
did for the boy, possibly painted it with iodine, but certainly with my 
husband, I painted it with iodine, neat.  It seemed a shame to throw out the 
iodine-soaked cotton wool, so I taped it to the ringworm.  The skin came 
away - neat little circle, as I recall.  The Dr. reckoned that was the end 
of the ringworm, all right.

This might be useful for skin tags, might it not?  That's caused by a virus, 
isn't it?  Perhaps a drop of iodine, a drop of DMSO, a drop of coconut oil, 
and a drop of CS (or larger amounts) and paint on.  The DMSO would carry the 
viricidal elements in and likely have an effect of its own on the problem.

Rowena 


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Re: CSiodine and DMSO

2005-08-19 Thread Raine


This is interesting news to me- skin tags caused by a viris.

Thanks, Rowena.

-Raine

Rowena wrote:


iodine for the removal of a sebacous
 


cyst ... iodine to the skin over the cyst. let it briefly dry
then coat with the dmso gel.
   



 what would be the
negatives to use this on a cyst on a dog's chest.  do dogs tolerate
iodine enough to use this modality

Might the dog's chest not be a bit close to the dog's lungs and get you into 
trouble with the listowner?



This is very useful information about the iodine and DMSO - I have liquid 
DMSO myself, so it shouldn't be a problem mixing it, though I might add CS 
to dilute a bit.  Now all I need is a sebaceous cyst somewhere.


Some thirty years ago my husband and son came home with ringworm, which I 
suspect came from the swimming baths they were attending.  I forget what we 
did for the boy, possibly painted it with iodine, but certainly with my 
husband, I painted it with iodine, neat.  It seemed a shame to throw out the 
iodine-soaked cotton wool, so I taped it to the ringworm.  The skin came 
away - neat little circle, as I recall.  The Dr. reckoned that was the end 
of the ringworm, all right.


This might be useful for skin tags, might it not?  That's caused by a virus, 
isn't it?  Perhaps a drop of iodine, a drop of DMSO, a drop of coconut oil, 
and a drop of CS (or larger amounts) and paint on.  The DMSO would carry the 
viricidal elements in and likely have an effect of its own on the problem.


Rowena

Re: CSAny help for Wendy here??

2005-08-19 Thread Nenah Sylver

--- Forwarded message follows ---
From: Wendy wen...@tuxnightclub.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:59:40 -0400

My 4 yr old is coming down with something- he's a bit too old for it
but it sounds croupy (although we had whooping cough in the spring and
he's still run down from that and hasn't shaken that cough completely
and it's been 4 months)

I've been giving him CS my dad is making and testing with the SG6
(orally and in his ears), zinc, vitamin C (sodium ascorbate) all day
and some homeopathic aconite. I thought for sure I had it - we had a
lovely walk at 8pm, but alas he now has a barky cough as we go into the
night. Stuff always happens at night doesn't it??? ;-)

I went to give him some CS when he woke up thought I had a clean glass
but accidentally poured it in the cup that had had the vitamin C in it -

it turned grey blue immediately- I thought oh no. So I decided to use
the eye dropper which I also thought was clean which had C on it too
(remember I'm dealing with an upset 4 yr old at the same time) and I
stuck the eye dropper in the jar of CS and now it's all gone cloudy (I
can't see through it), looks like old milky tea

Is this CS still useable or have I ruined it???

Is it supposed to do this??

Should CS be taken alone or is ok to take with other supplements, food
etc.?

Thanks in advance
Wendy

I'm no expert, but when I put Alacer Vitamin C + minerals powder into my CS 
it turns gray-purple. I drink it anyway.

Nenah 

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Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23

2005-08-19 Thread M. G. Devour

 Hmmm, I wonder...
 Though it's all over now, I have a suspicion that the I Win!
 protagonist might in reality have been a AI (artificial intelligence)
 bot program.
  Chuck

I couldn't help but recall the scene from James Bond, Golden Eye, where 
Boris leaps up with his hands raised and declares, I'm INVINCIBLE!!! 
... just before being frozen by the flood of liquid nitrogen. grin

Ah, well. It's a sad situation anyway.

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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CSEFT files

2005-08-19 Thread FRANK CUNS-RIAL

Terry Chamberlin wrote:

Yes, it is me, Terry Chamberlin, who will send the EFT
files to whomever wants them. They come in the form of
an attachment that is a zip compressed file. No, you
wouldn't be able to get it on a library or school
computer. You could if you downloaded it onto a floppy
drive (if they let you), but the file is too big to
fit on a floppy disk.

Ruth, you need to dowload this file onto a friends
computer, if possible. Ask the school/library if you
can download a file attachment onto a floppy. If they
say yes, I can send you a smaller file that will fit,
but then you would need to take it to a computer where
you are allowed to view it.
Terry Could you cpy methanks...@atlanticbb.net

Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23

2005-08-19 Thread M. G. Devour

whispers Shhh! Real soon now, Marshall will finish catching up on his 
mail and realize that Veganexus isn't here any more.

grin

Mike D.


 See
 http://www.kids4research.org/info_pages/animals.htm#Dogs%20in%20research
 
 ---
 This should put the issue to rest, since it is from researchers who use
 dogs for testing:
 
 http://www.fbresearch.org/education/fact-vs-myth.htm
 
 There is an essential need for canines in the study of lung and heart
 disease as their cardiovascular and respiratory systems closely match
 those of humans. --
 
 I don't think it could be made more clear than that.
 
 Marshall
 
 veganexus...@aol.com wrote:
 
  In a message dated 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time,
  epa...@sympatico.ca writes:
 
  your compariso is inept and not germane.
  we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but
  you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars
  and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. 
  Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2
   Date:  18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time
   From:  epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai)
   Reply-to:  A
   HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:  
silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 
 
   Hi,
 
   I would like to add to this conversation re: the comparison of
   human lungs to dog lungs; Although, I know very little about the
   structure of dogs lungs. We should agree that a dog is a mammal and
   because he is warm blooded creature would process oxygen in a
   similar manner as humans, Regardless of whether he pants or not. We
   all remember science class, back in the day asking us what
   characteristics make up a mammal right? With this being said; I would
   have to agree with Ode. His explanation seems to be the most open
   minded. The lung of a dog may be physically different, and based on
   its genetic make-up in fact may not work in a human body. Take a car
   for example. (this may be a crude one in comparison) but if you were
   too take a motor from a very small car, And transferred it into a
   full sized Cadillac. One would still have a running motor but
   probably wouldn't be very successful in moving the caddy only because
   of the power to weight ratio. Eventually pushing the motor to move
   this car would result in fatigue and it would eventually quit or
   seize. Both cars have internal combustion engines and work off the
   same operating principle. Even though it can be modified to fit
   doesn't mean it will be successful in creating inertia. Both need air
   and gasoline to produce combustion = power. However, we are speaking
   of organic material here. But still keeping in mind the principle of
   the lung in a land mammal.
 
   Regards,
 
   E
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   look you are spoiling my victory.
 
   dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs
   are biologically different from humans.
   i can prove this.
   if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the
   human. dog are not the same as humans. you are confused by the fact
   that humans keep dogs as pets and you think
 
   therefore dogs are the same as humans.
   this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone
   who is a creationist.
 
   Ode wrote:
 
Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to
pant..while
people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates
take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't
walk because they don't have enough feet.
 While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of
view,
it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two
feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most
of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it
very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing
the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than
dogs...those stupid people]
 
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Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2

veganexus...@aol.com wrote:

 In a message dated 18/08/2005 15:49:16 GMT Daylight Time,
 dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com writes:

 look you are spoiling my victory.

 dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs
 are biologically different from humans.
 i can prove this.
 if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the human.
 dog are not the same as humans.

If you transplant a human lung into another human it would kill him too if 
there was
no tissue match done.  Does that mean that a human's lung is not the same as a
human's lung? Of course not.


 you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think
 therefore dogs are the same as humans.

That is about an idiotic statement.  Exactly the same, no, of course not, a lung
from one person is not exactly the same as one from another person.  But similar
enough to use data collected to infer for the other, sure. They both serve the 
same
function, oxidizing hemoglobin in the blood from air, and removing CO2 from the
blood. They are composed of the same types of cells, and have the same cilia, 
and
the same structure, with branching bronchia.


 this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who is a
 creationist.

This is another idiotic statement. The similarity of species is fundamental to
evolution theory, not creationism.  You got it backwards.

The question is NOT if dogs lungs are identical to humans, but similar enough 
that
the results of experiments done on them would apply to humans.  Apparently so, 
since
medical research has used dogs for this purpose for many decades.

Marshall



  Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply
  Date:  18/08/2005 15:49:16 GMT Daylight Time
  From:  dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com (Dan Nave)
  Reply-to:  A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A
  To:silver-list@eskimo.com

  Ode wrote:

  Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to
  pant..while
  people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take
  an
  entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk
  because
  they don't have enough feet.
   While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of
  view,
  it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and
  that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just
  never
  looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark
  out
  silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who
  do
  that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people]

  __

  Many years ago I saw a pye dog who lived in a railway station in India.

  He had lost his back legs to a train.  He did very well walking on two
  legs
  with his backside up in the air.

  Therefore, in keeping with the spirit of this debate and using the
  rules of logic
  as they have been demonstrated here, I have proven conclusively that
  dog lungs work exactly the same as human lungs because both dogs and
  humans can walk very well on two legs.

  Send money,

  Dan

  ;-))


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Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23

See
http://www.kids4research.org/info_pages/animals.htm#Dogs%20in%20research

---
This should put the issue to rest, since it is from researchers who use dogs for
testing:

http://www.fbresearch.org/education/fact-vs-myth.htm

There is an essential need for canines in the study of lung and heart disease as
their cardiovascular and respiratory systems closely match those of humans.
--

I don't think it could be made more clear than that.

Marshall

veganexus...@aol.com wrote:

 In a message dated 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca
 writes:

 your compariso is inept and not germane.
 we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not...
 but you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars
 and transplants.
 gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong.
  Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2
  Date:  18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time
  From:  epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai)
  Reply-to:  A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A
  To:silver-list@eskimo.com



  Hi,

  I would like to add to this conversation re: the comparison of human
  lungs to dog lungs; Although, I know very little about the structure of
  dogs lungs. We should agree that a dog is a mammal and because he is
  warm blooded creature would process oxygen in a similar manner as
  humans, Regardless of whether he pants or not. We all remember science
  class, back in the day asking us what characteristics make up a mammal
  right? With this being said;
  I would have to agree with Ode. His explanation seems to be the most
  open minded. The lung of a dog may be physically different, and based on
  its genetic make-up in fact may not work in a human body. Take a car for
  example.
  (this may be a crude one in comparison) but if you were too take a
  motor from a very small car, And transferred it into a full sized
  Cadillac. One would still have a running motor but probably wouldn't be
  very successful in moving the caddy only because of the power to weight
  ratio. Eventually pushing the motor to move this car would result in
  fatigue and it would eventually quit or seize. Both cars have internal
  combustion engines and work off the same operating principle. Even
  though it can be modified to fit doesn't mean it will be successful in
  creating inertia. Both need air and gasoline to produce combustion =
  power.
  However, we are speaking of organic material here. But still keeping in
  mind
  the principle of the lung in a land mammal.

  Regards,

  E












  look you are spoiling my victory.

  dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs
  are biologically different from humans.
  i can prove this.
  if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the
  human.
  dog are not the same as humans.
  you are confused by the fact that humans keep dogs as pets and you think

  therefore dogs are the same as humans.
  this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone who
  is a
  creationist.

  Ode wrote:

   Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to
   pant..while
   people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates take
   an
   entirely different route..is like saying that people can't walk
   because
   they don't have enough feet.
While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of
   view,
   it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two feet...and
   that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most of them just
   never
   looked into doing it, those that have don't do it very well and bark
   out
   silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing the fact that people who
   do
   that tend to fall over more than dogs...those stupid people]

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Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23

Well I think that confirms it. You are obviously a troll.  Hmmm, where is my 
kill
file?

Marshall

veganexus...@aol.com wrote:

 In a message dated 18/08/2005 20:14:22 GMT Daylight Time, panamp...@aol.com
 writes:

 I DECLARE VICTORY AS I WAS RIGHT.
  Subj: Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23
  Date:  18/08/2005 20:14:22 GMT Daylight Time
  From:  panamp...@aol.com
  Reply-to:  A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A
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  Lets say everyone is right to a certain extent, and no one is  wrong,
 leaving
  off
  percentages of course, and get on with a new  topic!



   

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CSEFT info, Godzilla, CS/EIS

2005-08-19 Thread cmccauley


Hi.   I would also like the EFT info please.  Is there a place online, like
with a Yahoo group, where you can get a subfolder you can put things in,
where maybe you could put the info and we could download it when we need
it?  Just wondering if Silverlist has some place like that.  If not, I have
some server space I'll donate to put it on.

Also, I made the Godzilla zapper quite a while ago, when they were first
tweaking the design, and I've used it for many things.  I found it worked
really well on my strep throat and on things like an infected tooth, etc...
I would totally saturate the electrode coverings with CS/EIS and then put
one electrode on my tongue (or swollen gumline or tooth) and the other I'd
press on one of the swollen glands on my neck.  Then I'd turn up the dial
until I could feel a slight tingle or bite.  Then I'd turn it down a bit.
I'd leave it like this for 5 or so minutes then I'd flip the switch to
change the polarity.  Then 5 minutes later, flip the polarity switch again.
After 1/2 hour of these treatments I'd stop.  I'd did this 3 or 4 times one
day (Saturday) and then again the next day.  By the second day, no more
pain or swollen glands.  A few more treatments for good measure and I was
done.   The pain and swollen glands did not return.  It seems, for me, the
Godzilla machine works really well for soft tissue infections, where the
electrons can penetrate easily.   Worked well on my crippled hen's swollen
knee joint too, caused by the staph aureas germ - like a bedsore or
pressure sore.  Taped one electrode on either side of her knee and did some
treatments.  Within two days, swelling was gone and she could walk again.
Also used CS/EIS and DMSO mixture on the pressure sore's opening and that
healed up too.

Just wanted to share this.   It is very easy to construct  -  similar to a
CS maker using the 4  9-volt batteries, but with a toggle switch (to change
the polarity back and forth) and a potentiometer (to increase/decrease the
strength of the current) added.Heck, if I can make one (or two or
three), anybody can.  I don't know squat about making electrical things.
But I figured this one out.  It was easy and the stuff you need to make one
are at Radio Shack.  In a pinch you could probably use it to make CS/EIS,
as long as your electrodes are pure silver.

Add a nebulizer and a Gozilla to your med cabinet, and use them with
CS/EIS/DMSO, and you are set.

IMHO of course.

Christine Mc.


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Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23

2005-08-19 Thread cking001

I always heard that it was pigs that made the best model for human
cardiology research.

Chuck
Alcohol  calculus don't mix. Never drink  derive.


On 8/19/2005 10:40:15 AM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com)
wrote:
 See
 http://www.kids4research.org/info_pages/animals.htm#Dogs%20in%20research
 
 ---
 This should put the issue to rest, since it is from researchers who use
 dogs for
 testing:
 
 http://www.fbresearch.org/education/fact-vs-myth.htm
 
 There is an essential need for canines in the study of lung and heart
 disease as
 their cardiovascular and respiratory systems closely match those of humans.
 
 --
 
 I
 don't think it could be made more clear than that


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Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23

I have definitely read that pigs are closer to humans than any other
non-primate.  Not sure why that would be the case, and have read one rather
exotic explaination for it years ago but can't remember the details.

Here is a very interesting article about chimeras that shows just how closely
related various mammals are:

http://prague.tv/forum/viewpost.php?id=2932

(PS. I am caught up now, but this was just too intersting to not post).

Marshall

cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 I always heard that it was pigs that made the best model for human
 cardiology research.

 Chuck
 Alcohol  calculus don't mix. Never drink  derive.

 On 8/19/2005 10:40:15 AM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com)
 wrote:
  See
  http://www.kids4research.org/info_pages/animals.htm#Dogs%20in%20research
 
  ---
  This should put the issue to rest, since it is from researchers who use
  dogs for
  testing:
 
  http://www.fbresearch.org/education/fact-vs-myth.htm
 
  There is an essential need for canines in the study of lung and heart
  disease as
  their cardiovascular and respiratory systems closely match those of humans.
 
  --
 
  I
  don't think it could be made more clear than that

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Re: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23

2005-08-19 Thread Wayne Laurents


Mike, your computer's clock is about 20 minutes fast.   -w.

M. G. Devour wrote:

whispers Shhh! Real soon now, Marshall will finish catching up on his 
mail and realize that Veganexus isn't here any more.


grin

Mike D.


 


See
http://www.kids4research.org/info_pages/animals.htm#Dogs%20in%20research

---
This should put the issue to rest, since it is from researchers who use
dogs for testing:

http://www.fbresearch.org/education/fact-vs-myth.htm

There is an essential need for canines in the study of lung and heart
disease as their cardiovascular and respiratory systems closely match
those of humans. --

I don't think it could be made more clear than that.

Marshall

veganexus...@aol.com wrote:

   


In a message dated 18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time,
epa...@sympatico.ca writes:

your compariso is inept and not germane.
we are talking about particles going through lung tissue or not... but
you have all clearly evaded this issue to concentrate on dogs and cars
and transplants. gracefully concede i was right and you were wrong. 
Subj: RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply2
Date:  18/08/2005 17:20:41 GMT Daylight Time
From:  epa...@sympatico.ca (Ernie Patai)
Reply-to:  A
HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:  
 silver-list@eskimo.com




Hi,

I would like to add to this conversation re: the comparison of
human lungs to dog lungs; Although, I know very little about the
structure of dogs lungs. We should agree that a dog is a mammal and
because he is warm blooded creature would process oxygen in a
similar manner as humans, Regardless of whether he pants or not. We
all remember science class, back in the day asking us what
characteristics make up a mammal right? With this being said; I would
have to agree with Ode. His explanation seems to be the most open
minded. The lung of a dog may be physically different, and based on
its genetic make-up in fact may not work in a human body. Take a car
for example. (this may be a crude one in comparison) but if you were
too take a motor from a very small car, And transferred it into a
full sized Cadillac. One would still have a running motor but
probably wouldn't be very successful in moving the caddy only because
of the power to weight ratio. Eventually pushing the motor to move
this car would result in fatigue and it would eventually quit or
seize. Both cars have internal combustion engines and work off the
same operating principle. Even though it can be modified to fit
doesn't mean it will be successful in creating inertia. Both need air
and gasoline to produce combustion = power. However, we are speaking
of organic material here. But still keeping in mind the principle of
the lung in a land mammal.

Regards,

E












look you are spoiling my victory.

dogs are not the same as humans.and their lungs
are biologically different from humans.
i can prove this.
if you tried to transplant a dog lung to a human it would kill the
human. dog are not the same as humans. you are confused by the fact
that humans keep dogs as pets and you think

therefore dogs are the same as humans.
this fuzzy emotionalism on your part is making you look like someone
who is a creationist.

Ode wrote:

 Saying that a dogs lungs are different because dogs have to
 pant..while
 people only 'can' pant to the same effect, therefore particulates
 take an entirely different route..is like saying that people can't
 walk because they don't have enough feet.
  While that might be a sort of sideways 'truth' from a dogs point of
 view,
 it's only because dogs don't know much about walking on two
 feet...and that's not because they 'can't' walk on two feet...most
 of them just never looked into doing it, those that have don't do it
 very well and bark out silly arguements against it. [perhaps citing
 the fact that people who do that tend to fall over more than
 dogs...those stupid people]

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Re: CSCScampylobacteriosis

2005-08-19 Thread rose

i am still having trouble with the search on the web site...anyone else having
that problem?  we had 2 dogs and 2 cats come down with campy...both dogs are
fine, lost both cats...at the time did not connect the dots or would have
started the same treatment for the cats also. the adult kitty we found collapsed
died within the hour, the kitten staggering around we thought was heat
exhaustion.  the only reason we can figure that we were not hit with an epidemic
is that temp we are hauling water so we are treating it for ecoli.  by all
rights we should have had at least 50% of the animal residents down with campy.
the ones that did get it, out of the 4, 3 were on the good water we hauled
from a neighbor so not treated with cs.  the campy was brought in with dogs that
were s/n on friday and by sunday we had campy.  we are trying to track down
anything we can to establish protocols that can be shared.  in other words, some
kind of documentation for the more research minded.  this could be some rather
ground breaking protocol for the rescues, kennels and others where animal beings
are gathered in numbers.  campy in dogs is referred to by various
names...mystery dog flu...mutated parvo that is resistant to vac...and other
imaginations.  parvo is a virsus, campy is a bacterial overgrowth.  campy makes
parvo look like a walk in the park.

if anyone can shed any light on this please...i have searched in online several
times and come up empty handed.

thanks

a rose...

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:13:28 -0500, rose wrote:
 hi list,

 i can't get the archive page to load and i need info on if silver
 will kill campylobacteriosis, and if so how much.  naturally we are
 using it anyway but would like information if possible.  two dogs
 have come down with this in two days and now i am feeling pretty
 clammy also.

 any help much appreciated,

 a rose...

CSRe: Stains on Teeth

2005-08-19 Thread OLMXR

 
In a message dated 8/15/2005 10:12:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com writes:

I am  noticing now, that several of my front teeth have sort of vertical 
black  streaks on the which I never noticed before. 


Ruth,
I've been drinking 4 to 6 oz. of 8 to 10 ppm every week day for two years  
now.
I don't see any stains on my teeth at this time.
 
Thom

Re: CSCScampylobacteriosis

2005-08-19 Thread Carolyn Marley

I am also having problems getting into the archive site. I can't get it to load.

  - Original Message - 
  From: rose 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:10 AM
  Subject: Re: CSCScampylobacteriosis

  i am still having trouble with the search on the web site...anyone else 
having that problem?  we had 2 dogs and 2 cats come down with campy...both dogs 
are fine, lost both cats...at the time did not connect the dots or would have 
started the same treatment for the cats also. the adult kitty we found 
collapsed died within the hour, the kitten staggering around we thought was 
heat exhaustion.  the only reason we can figure that we were not hit with an 
epidemic is that temp we are hauling water so we are treating it for ecoli.  by 
all rights we should have had at least 50% of the animal residents down with 
campy.  the ones that did get it, out of the 4, 3 were on the good water we 
hauled from a neighbor so not treated with cs.  the campy was brought in with 
dogs that were s/n on friday and by sunday we had campy.  we are trying to 
track down anything we can to establish protocols that can be shared.  in other 
words, some kind of documentation for the more research minded.  this could be 
some rather ground breaking protocol for the rescues, kennels and others where 
animal beings are gathered in numbers.  campy in dogs is referred to by various 
names...mystery dog flu...mutated parvo that is resistant to vac...and other 
imaginations.  parvo is a virsus, campy is a bacterial overgrowth.  campy makes 
parvo look like a walk in the park.

  if anyone can shed any light on this please...i have searched in online 
several times and come up empty handed.

  thanks

  a rose...

  On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:13:28 -0500, rose wrote:
   hi list,

   i can't get the archive page to load and i need info on if silver
   will kill campylobacteriosis, and if so how much.  naturally we are
   using it anyway but would like information if possible.  two dogs
   have come down with this in two days and now i am feeling pretty
   clammy also.

   any help much appreciated,

   a rose...

RE: CSRe: Stains on Teeth

Thanks , Thom, Several others have also said they have no trouble with stains on their teeth. I, too, would doubt that so small a dosaage over so short a time would have this sort of effect. Ruth
From Ruth Strackbein


From: ol...@aol.comReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: CSRe: Stains on TeethDate: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:34:52 EDT


In a message dated 8/15/2005 10:12:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com writes:
I am noticing now, that several of my front teeth have sort of vertical black streaks on the which I never noticed before.

Ruth,
I've been drinking 4 to 6 oz. of 8 to 10 ppm every week day for two years now.
I don't see any stains on my teeth at this time.

Thom


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RE: CSEFT files

Thanks, Terry. I will check into the floppy disk thing. Will also check with my sons who have fancier equipment than the library or school. Maybe if I send them the url , they will be able to download it for me. Maybe even make one! I do have an old computer at home the still uses the small floppy disk, They aren't exactly floppy like the original ones we used to use at school, but I think they are still called floppy. These are small and hard. Thanks again, Ruth.
From Ruth Strackbein


From: "FRANK CUNS-RIAL" f...@atlanticbb.netReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: CSEFT filesDate: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:43:44 -0500



Terry Chamberlin wrote:
Yes, it is me, Terry Chamberlin, who will send the EFT
files to whomever wants them. They come in the form of
an attachment that is a zip compressed file. No, you
wouldn't be able to get it on a library or school
computer. You could if you downloaded it onto a floppy
drive (if they let you), but the file is too big to
fit on a floppy disk.

Ruth, you need to dowload this file onto a friends
computer, if possible. Ask the school/library if you
can download a file attachment onto a floppy. If they
say yes, I can send you a smaller file that will fit,
but then you would need to take it to a computer where
you are allowed to view it.
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Re: CSiodine and DMSO

2005-08-19 Thread Marmar845

In a message dated 8/19/05 3:36:41 AM Central Daylight Time, 
new...@aapt.net.au writes:


 This might be useful for skin tags, might it not?  That's caused by a 
 virus, 
 isn't it?  

They are? MA

Re: CSKilling nanobacteria

2005-08-19 Thread Tony Moody

Well done, Rowena,
That is very encouraging to hear that the candida is no more.
But please keep up your protocol for a long time to come. As a good 
Idea you could go as you have been, for another three times that it 
has taken you to get clear. If it has taken 6 month so far then it 
would be prudent and sensible to do it for another 6x3 = 18 months 
at least. I think it is a life cycle thing or that the spore/juveniles get 
encapsulated in the body and lurk. So keep on whacking them.

I would also write up on a lifelong calendar to do a short intensive 
treatment at least every three months or so, to knock down any 
opportunists. 

Tony
 

On 19 Aug 2005 at 9:43, Rowena wrote about :
Subject : Re: CSKilling nanobacteria

 Daddybob said: Just my little opinion, based on my reading and
 experiences. Take Lugol's iodine internally to force the nano's out of
 their comfort zone. EIS/CS also does same but not as fast. Drink Bragg
 vinegar to disable the nanobacteria. It contains the natural precursor
 to EDTA. Possibly strips them of their protective calcitic goo. Use a
 Beck unit 2-6 hours daily for 6-8 weeks. That's how I beat
 Degenerative Disk Disease and Lichen Planus.
 
 
 Thanks, Daddybob.  This is something I really want to research, too.
 Did you also use VCNO (coconut oil)? Does anyone have a handy list of
 stuff that kills bad bugs in the body? I started concocting one once,
 but where is it? If a wide variety of antibiotics is beating the
 problem, maybe a multipronged non-pharma attack would be a good idea,
 too.
 
 A test at the naturopath yesterday indicated my Candida was no more. I
 had been taking CS, VCNO, a homeopathic topical preparation, some
 attention to diet, a little Lugol's. I was amazed, hardly expected to
 beat this problem for a long time, given the pictures of it in the
 intestines that I've seen on the net!  I did also up my dose of CS
 having registered people were using pints and quarts! I did also use
 my Enar device on the wrist in case it would work as a blood zapper
 thingy, but plan to start small by building the apprentice zapper on
 microelectricitygermkiller and then perhaps graduate to Godzilla.
 
 Rowena
 
 
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Re: CScyst removal

2005-08-19 Thread Dan Nave

The skin can be softened and usually the cyst can be made to come to the
surface using castor oil over a period of some days.

Dan



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Re: CSiodine and DMSO

2005-08-19 Thread Rowena

 This might be useful for skin tags, might it not?  That's caused by a
 virus,
 isn't it?

They are? MA

Well, it was a question really, but a bit of a search has not exactly said 
so.  But this is rather interesting: 
http://www.nutritionfarm.com/message%20board/Message_Board/canine_warts.htm
where it is said that colloidal silver has even got rid of skin tags (on 
dogs, it doesn't say where, Mike!) and so that makes me lean to the view 
that it's caused by something living as opposed to genetics alone, as is 
also maintained.  But there appears to be an astonishing number of papilloma 
viruses, and as we are learning now about mycos and nanos, who knows when 
they will come up with a teeny weeny creature causing skin tags too, 
possibly called papos?  Nanobes and Papopes.  Or something.
Rowena


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CSstop emailing me

2005-08-19 Thread Nancy Savinelli

stop emailing me!!
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Re: CSacne

2005-08-19 Thread PanAmPete

 
 
Hey Jill,
My daughter who has the Acne prob came home from college last nite  for a 
surprise
birthday present!  Have you tried Proactiv?  My dau did  for nearly two 
yrs, and it was
effective for some time.  I am now sending for  
_TRANSDERMAL-ACNE-TREATMENT-CREAM_ 
(http://stores.ebay.com/TRANSDERMAL-ACNE-TREATMENT-CREAM_W0QQssPageNameZVIStoreHeaderLinksQQtZkm?)
 
which I hope may work, if not back to Proactiv. Also in this short  visit I 
am having her mist 
with EIS and drink with cranberry-grape coctail which is cool and  
refreshing--Good Luck!
Pete

RE: CSSilver particles in the lungs/reply23

2005-08-19 Thread Ernie Patai

hahahaha, I was wondering about that. 

E.

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whispers Shhh! Real soon now, Marshall will finish catching up on his 
mail and realize that Veganexus isn't here any more.

grin

Mike D.





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CSRe: CSiodine and DMSO

2005-08-19 Thread Tad Winiecki

Barb wrote-
   We are currently using DMSO and iodine for the removal of a sebacous
cyst as promoted by Dr. Jonathan Wright. At first I tried to mix the dmso
gel and iodine together. It did not mix well. Then I decided to try
applying the iodine to the skin over they cyst. let it breifly dry then
coat with the dmso gel. This seems to work well. After only two
applications I can feel that the cyst is changing in firmness. The
treatment is only suppose to take a week. We are anticipating a positive
outcome. The cyst is located on my sons neck. He had been bugging me to get
it surgically removed. Well, in a few days we will know if it will be
necessary. Will let you know.  Barb
--

Barb- What form of Iodine is used in this, and is the DMSO full strength?
Would you cover it with a bandaid after putting the stuff on?  How long
between applications?   I would surely like to find something that works on
these.

Skin tags occur in areas of friction.  Is there really a viral cause like
warts?

Thanks, Nancy



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Re: CSacne

2005-08-19 Thread PanAmPete

 
 
 
In a message dated 8/19/05 11:14:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
panamp...@aol.com writes:

Hey Jill,
My daughter who has the Acne prob came home from college last nite  for a 
surprise
birthday present!  Have you tried Proactiv?  My dau did  for nearly two 
yrs, and it was
effective for some time.  I am now sending for  
_TRANSDERMAL-ACNE-TREATMENT-CREAM_ 
(http://stores.ebay.com/TRANSDERMAL-ACNE-TREATMENT-CREAM_W0QQssPageNameZVIStoreHeaderLinksQQtZkm?)
 
which I hope may work, if not back to Proactiv. Also in this short  visit I 
am having her mist 
with EIS and drink with cranberry-grape coctail which is cool and  
refreshing--Good Luck!
Pete

Re: CSstop emailing me

2005-08-19 Thread Gunar

Hi Nancy,

I will not be surprised if your post ends up being published
in the Reader's Digest.:-)

Laughter is good medicine ...  ;-)
Gunar


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Subject: CSstop emailing me


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 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
 Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:02 AM
 Subject: silver-digest Digest V2005 #500
 



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CSbetaine HCL and heartburn-good article

2005-08-19 Thread T J Garland

http://www.rense.com/general67/theevilantacidmyth.htm


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RE: CSBeck Protocol

Hi! How do I get information about this V and her CS making machine? Thanks for all your informative messages. Ruth
From Ruth Strackbein


From: Deborah Gerard devorah...@sbcglobal.netReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: CSBeck ProtocolDate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:00:30 -0700 (PDT)
I might add the "V" who is in this group sells the cs maker...includes a cd with all kinds of info on Beck.
I didn't realize you could cook with cs does anything damage cs besides sunlight and air?
Thanks everyone for the excellent flow of information to the hungry minds:)...deb


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