Re: CS>PWT testers - Ode

[Clayton Family]

On Jun 16, 2007, at 5:34 PM, CWFugitt wrote:





Before I comment on the instruments, I firmly believe there is a
salt conspiracy in the USA.   First, only 50 % or less of the 
hypertensives are sensitive to salt.


But if you are, you are. I knew a woman whose face swelled up like a 
balloon when she ate too much salt- she had a heart condition of some 
sort, and hypertension. She  liked her soy sauce, though, her food just 
didn't "taste right" without it. She died at age 60.




One of my genius doctors had told me 100 times, don't eat any salt.
He even calls off all the foods not to eat.  Of course he does this 
without any consultation to learn I have never added salt to my food 
my whole life.   I eat so little, I keep vials of sea salt in my 
truck, my survival bag, and often in my pocket.  I also add 1/2 tsp of 
sea salt to my water.  I worked in the heat two days this week and 
drank this salt water.  You can barely taste the salt.


Working in the heat and sun does that to a person. Eating a salty snack 
is imperative. My greatgrandfather ate his grapefruit with salt on it, 
while we children had ours with sugar. The older folk did the same 
thing with cantelope, melons and tomatoes- it was a typical seasoning 
in the summer.


...   I certainly agree with that.  I understand we need 2000 mg per 
day.  Some people get more than that, accidently, while others get 
much less.  I had an older female customer that had to go to the 
emergency room because of low sodium.

All the Doctor told her to do was drink less water.


The same thing happened to my grandmother some years back, and they put 
her on salt pills. She actually fell in the bathroom and fractured her 
jaw due to low salt.



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Re: CS>PWT testers - Ode

[CWFugitt]

Evening Chuck,

>> A low salt diet is often recommended for hypertensives.

Before I comment on the instruments, I firmly believe there is a
salt conspiracy in the USA.   First, only 50 % or less of the hypertensives 
are sensitive to salt.


One of my genius doctors had told me 100 times, don't eat any salt.
He even calls off all the foods not to eat.  Of course he does this without 
any consultation to learn I have never added salt to my food my whole 
life.   I eat so little, I keep vials of sea salt in my truck, my survival 
bag, and often in my pocket.  I also add 1/2 tsp of sea salt to my 
water.  I worked in the heat two days this week and drank this salt 
water.  You can barely taste the salt.


You will be the first to know when it gets too low.
I think sodium, and a few other things determine if you are standing up or 
laying on the floor.




It's very difficult to truly know how low you're getting because of
nutritional info and portion sizes don't often match.
   I certainly agree with that.  I understand we need 2000 mg per 
day.  Some people get more than that, accidently, while others get much 
less.  I had an older female customer that had to go to the emergency room 
because of low sodium.

All the Doctor told her to do was drink less water.

Was wondering if it would be practical to use TDS urine readings as a 
guide to daily salt status.
   The name of the meter alone,  "Total Dissolved Solids" virtually tells 
you it will not work.  It will read all the items there, and give you the 
total.


Likewise,  people use the EC meter for liquid plant nutrients. They have 
not a clue how much or each is in the water.  They have a total.


This is the same reason they will not give an accurate ppm reading of 
anything.  The give a total conductivity.  Some have learned how to get 
close to the ppm for CS.  Ode for one.


I have a research scientist friend that has a patent on a
"non invasive prostate cancer test"  and other patents also.

No doubt he could come up with a kit or test that would do what you suggest.

I have thought about the same thing.  I would like to be able to measure 
all the blood electrolytes as well as sodium.




What do you think?


I will be anxious to see what Ode has to say.  He may say I am all wrong.

The task is simple enough for the right mind with the proper training.  ( 
and equipment )  My weakness is chemistry.   I have learned a little about 
plant nutrition and human nutrition.   I always end up with a stalemate 
when I try to go to the deeper steps that are chemistry related.


Wayne



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CS>Fwd: Modern Medicine

[marmar845]

The following came through on another (non-health issues) list -- and I thought 
it was appropriate for this one.   MA

> "A modern Western physician--granted with the greatest discomfiture --
> will inform his patient that he is about to die, impressing upon him
> that his situation is hopeless, and yet will react with scorn and
> loathing when he reads that a voodoo practitioner has put a curse upon
> some innocent victim.
> 
> In your time, medical men, again with great superiority, look at
> primitive cultures and harshly judge the villagers they think are
> held in the sway of witch doctors or voodooism; and yet through
> advertisement and organization, YOUR doctors impress upon each
> individual in your culture that you must have a physical examination
> every six months or you will get cancer; that you must have medical
> insurance because you WILL become ill.
> 
> In many instances, therefore, modern physicians are inadequate witch
> doctors who have forgotten their craft -- hypnotists who no
> longer believe in the power of healing, and whose suggestions bring
> about other diseases which are diagnosed in advance.
> 
> You are told what to look for; you are as cursed-- far more-- as any
> native in a tiny village, only you lose breasts, appendixes,
> and other portions of your anatomy. The doctors follow their own ideas,
> of course, and in that system they see themselves as completely
> justified -- as humane.
> 
> In the medical field, as in no other, you are faced directly with the
> full impact of your beliefs, for doctors are not the healthiest, but the
> least healthy. They fall prey to the beliefs to which
> they so heartily subscribe. Their concentration is upon disease, not
> health.
> 
> - Seth, through Jane Roberts, from the book The Nature of Personal
> Reality



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Re: CS>silver plated flatware/corningware/visionware

[cking001]

Being a little odd, I often carry a small magnet with me.
I have observed that various table flatware are magnetic to different
degrees.
In general, the "good" stuff" is the least magnetic.

Allergies present a whole different problem than regular ingestion
from so called leeching.
Some people DIE from peanuts, and must avoid them.
Same with nickle?

Chuck

All things considered, insanity may be the only reasonable alternative

On 6/16/2007 1:00:19 PM, sol (sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com) wrote:
> Hmm, well, all the cheap stainless
> I've seen in recent years is
> invariably non-magnetic.  I personally seriously question the statement
> that stainless steel doesn't
> leach nickel (and or any other of the alloy
> metals). I know that is what is claimed. But
> I've my own personal
> experience to say SS does leach nickel, and that it leaches enough to
> cause me problems. One site I was reading on last year, which was
> singing the praises of SS and hyping the "dangers" of aluminum cookware
> said that anyone with a nickel allergy should 


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Re: CS>PWT testers - Ode

[cking001]

Ode,
on another note, a little brainstorming

A low salt diet is often recommended for hypertensives.
It's very difficult to truly know how low you're getting because of
nutritional info and portion sizes don't often match.

Was wondering if it would be practical to use TDS urine readings as a
guide to daily salt status.

What do you think?

Chuck
_All life is a conjugation of the verb "to eat"


On 6/16/2007 6:03:00 AM, Ode Coyote (odecoy...@alltel.net) wrote:
> The meters come calibrated and they seem to have done it well.
> Hannas calibration fluid is expensive and sometimes defective. [Which will
> 
> really mess with your head ]
> 
> I'd make up a batch of plain non iodized salt /distilled water, say a
> quart, at some specific meter reading, say 20 uS, at a specific room
> temperature..and keep that.
> Pour some out into a clean sampling glass and check the meter...discard the
> sample.
> 
> When checking, keep both the meter and the water in the same place over night.
> 
> Ode
> 
> 


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CS>TDS testers, PWT, and EC

[CWFugitt]

Evening Ode,

>> At 07:23 AM 6/16/2007, you wrote:

Are there any major differences in these meters.

PWT
TDS
EC

I think the PWT meter is mostly a sales gimmick name.
If you have pure water, why test it?  Seems it should be simply called a 
Water Tester  Maybe the ranges are different.


I realize that people like you need a variety of good instruments.
Seems that 90 % of the CS makers likely don't use instruments and don't 
need them.  That is, unless they have reason to suspect abnormal impurities 
and  low quality water.


Even though I have an EC meter I simply use the LED on my CS generator to 
get a good idea of the water quality and often reject water simply by the 
intensity of this LED.


I think every CS generator should have an LED.
I add LEDs ( so cheap they are almost free ) to many control panels I 
build.   It allows me to make a near instant diagnosis when I walk up to a 
panel.  I even add one to show me when the phone company switches the 
polarity on lease line circuits.

They don't do it every day, but they do it more often than I want.

Actually the higher priced CS generators could have 2 or 3 LED's and each 
one could indicate a specific EC range for water rejection and other purposes.


It does not take a very technical minded person to tell the Yellow, Green, 
and Red LED from each other.


>>  EC meter ..da best for DW.

  Lots of other things also.

  Wayne


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Re: CS>silver plated flatware/corningware/visionware

[sol]

Hmm, well, all the cheap stainless I've seen in recent years is 
invariably non-magnetic.  I personally seriously question the statement 
that stainless steel doesn't leach nickel (and or any other of the alloy 
metals). I know that is what is claimed. But I've my own personal 
experience to say SS does leach nickel, and that it leaches enough to 
cause me problems. One site I was reading on last year, which was 
singing the praises of SS and hyping the "dangers" of aluminum cookware 
said that anyone with a nickel allergy should avoid using SS at all. And 
on a nickel allergy site I read that some people with nickel allergy can 
have problems from using hair spray that comes in pressurized cans, 
because nickel leaches into the product. I also read the SS industry 
site which claims no leaching, chemically inert, etc. However, my 
experience says if SS didn't leach nickel, I would not have experienced 
such a reduction in my allergy reactions simply from changing my pots 
and pans.

sol

Ode Coyote wrote:
The higher the nickle and chrome content, the more it costs, the less 
it rusts , the harder it is to put an edge on it and the less a 
magnet sticks


 Cheap and/or hard sticky stainlesswill rust and stain...very slowly.
It doesn't have the same silver look 'luster' as the high alloys, more 
like the steel sink.


 Since it doesn't rust, is virtually chemically inert, there just 
isn't much of it in the alloys and stainless is VERY tough abrasion 
resistant stuff, it's not likely that very much chrome or nickel is 
escaping the crystal lattice structure of the steel in any case and 
exposure to these metals over a period of time is probably many times 
higher in soil, food and air than in foods eaten by flatware or boiled 
in a stainless pot.





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Re: CS>Tds testers

[Dee]

Thanks Ode.  Dee 

 

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From: Ode Coyote 

Date: 06/16/07 13:55:07 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Tds testers 

 

 

EC meter ..DA best for DW. 

 

Ode 

 

 

 

At 04:10 PM 6/15/2007 +0100, you wrote: 

 


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Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[faith gagne]

No, I was not sold.  I was already using their product.



- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question


At 11:16 AM 6/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:


The person I spoke to at immugenics was not a salesman.



..but you were "sold".

Ode





- Original Message - From: "Dee " 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question


I think as a customer it is agreeable to have someone speak to you who is
nice'.  However, in my experience, this does not mean that they are more
knowledgeable than the person who *isn't* 'nice'.  Often the reverse in 
fact

because a good salesman can sell people almost anything, whether it is good
or not.  Dee



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From: faith gagne

Date: 06/15/07 15:58:00

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of

Science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm

Talking about, blah, blah, blah. Maybe that is not rude in your book, but

It is in mine. I am a Customer for Pete's sake. The guy needs a serious

Attitude adjustment. I have his email which I printed out and which I do

Not intend to forward. I am fully acquainted with his website.



On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to me

For over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every aspect 
of



Their lab and their product. The spokesperson could not have been nicer.

That is a world of difference, my friend. And if you want an informative

Website, check out Natural-immugenoics.






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Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[faith gagne]

Frank Key's business phone number, a different number from the one he posts 
online,  was given to me by my credit card company.



- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



At 10:57 AM 6/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:

Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of 
science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm 
talking about, blah, blah, blah.  Maybe that is not rude in your book, but 
it is in mine.   I am a Customer for pete's sake.  The guy needs a serious 
attitude adjustment.  I have his email which I printed out and which I do 
not intend to forward.   I am fully acquainted with his website.


On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to me 
for over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every aspect 
of their lab and their product.  The spokesperson could not have been 
nicer. That is a world of difference, my friend.  And if you want an 
informative website, check out Natural-immugenoics.



  That's nice, but Nat Imm is deceptive,  warps the science and the use of 
language like no bodies bidness to make you believe you are seeing and 
getting things that don't exist. [Good product, profound distortions 
selling it ]

 If you want a DIS-informative website, check out Natural-immugenoics.

 If you think that's wonderful, Frank is correct...you DON'T know what you 
are talking about.


 That's not a "sin", so, so what?

But, was it "Frank" that said so?


If you called "Colloids for Life", you called a distributor, not the 
manufacturer.  So, did you talk to "Frank"...or someone else?

Ergo, do you know what you are talking about on ANY score?

It's highly possible that a "distributor" also doesn't know much and used 
rudeness as a defense.  NOT uncommon.


Colloids For Life, LLC []
10343 N. Federal Blvd. Unit J#128
Westminster, CO 80260

Purest Colloids, Inc. [Frank]
600 Highland Drive, Suite 602
Westampton, NJ 08060

It's not likely that you can call Colorado and talk to a guy that lives in 
New Jersey.


I've never known Frank to be rude.  Maybe he isn't "nice".
  I wouldn't know, I'm not sensitive and appreciate *straight to the 
point* even if it makes me wrong.

 Being wrong isn't a sin, it's an opportunity.
   Some people are just "offendees" no matter what anyone says, if it 
isn't what they want to hear.
 I HAVE known the "other guy" to play manipulation games and look for 
recruits [ myself ]  to play them with him.


I'll go with not "nice" over a pleasant prevaricator any day.

I sit the fence on the *Ion vs Colloid* issue.
 I see no reason that both wouldn't work and neither hurts anything.
One might be better for some applications and the other better for other 
applications.


I have no way of telling whether or not Meso-silver is exactly what Frank 
says it is as he's very secretive about his process, but it's obvious that 
the Natural Immunogenics silver ISN'T exactly what THAT guy says it is and 
uses processes that CAN'T do what he says they do and DON'T show what he 
says they show in order to prove it. [and he knows better.  He isn't 
stupid or ignorant, he's a salesman and salesmen are "nice" to every 
customers face.  It's a requirement for the job. ]
 Calling a cat a dog and proving it with pictures of flying elephants 
taken two oxidation states over, doesn't prove donkeys have claws by 
playing word games with detailed technicalities using mixed languages.


Natural Immunogenics silver is very good stuff, but it's not "special" and 
no number of barking sales cats will *make* it special.
Now go look at American Biotech ASAP silver.  Exact same stuff, different 
meowing sales elephants wearing pigs ears...distortion and distraction 
taken to an ART of mislead to make a sale.


No, we didn't exactly "lie" we lead you down a language path of belief 
that you will follow all on your own in an effort to make the illogical 
make sense and the disconnected connect. [We know how people think, most 
people don't...and don't know that they don't. FACT ]

 You "bought" it, it works, we make some bucks...no harm done.  Right?
But had you known what you were REALLY looking at [vs what you were lead 
to believe you were seeing] , you could have done the same thing, or close 
enough to it to make zero difference, for a 10th -1000th the cost.



 Examples of barking sales cats:
" More doctors recommend this pill over all others combined " [ Any doctor 
that recommends combining all other pills should be shot]
"Would you [a man] take the same vitamin pills as a woman??"  [ Maybe, 
maybe not but I'm not getting a sex change to find out. ]


Dennis Lee bends a Sears and Roebuck torque wrench into a pretzel to prove 
how much horsepower a steam engine has.  O  Ahhh !!,  goes the 
impressionable audience eager to invest in a brand new "old hat", not 
knowing there is a big difference.

RE: CS>silver plated flatware/corningware/visionware

[Ode Coyote]

The higher the nickle and chrome content, the more it costs, the less it 
rusts , the harder it is to put an edge on it and the less a magnet sticks


 Cheap and/or hard sticky stainlesswill rust and stain...very slowly.
It doesn't have the same silver look 'luster' as the high alloys, more like 
the steel sink.


 Since it doesn't rust, is virtually chemically inert, there just isn't 
much of it in the alloys and stainless is VERY tough abrasion resistant 
stuff, it's not likely that very much chrome or nickel is escaping the 
crystal lattice structure of the steel in any case and exposure to these 
metals over a period of time is probably many times higher in soil, food 
and air than in foods eaten by flatware or boiled in a stainless pot.


Without some trace chromium, you won't be healthy.



Ode







I don't get the part about the flatware? Is it better if it DOESN'T
stick? - I took a bunch of it out of the drawer yesterday- none of the
"good" set  sticks except for the actual knife blades, then the cheap
odds and ends that I had in drawer most stuck real good to the magnet.

Wendy
canada


-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com]
Sent: June 14, 2007 1:00 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>silver plated flatware

Thank you everyone for all the info-  looks like I should switch from
my stainless pots n pans. But I use gas- I thought I could not cook
with my corningware on the stove top. I mostly use my cast iron for
frying (I love my cast iron), but the revere pots for steaming.

I will dig out the silverware box from my stainless flatware and see if
it is 300 or 400 series.




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Re: CS>Tds testers

[Ode Coyote]

  EC meter ..da best for DW.

ode



At 04:10 PM 6/15/2007 +0100, you wrote:




I wanted the meter for testing the distilled water.  Would the EC ones be
all right for this?  dee

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From: Ode Coyote

Date: 15/06/2007 14:31:26

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>Tds testers





That's what TDS meters are made for.

Metering CS is a mis-application, so the readout has to be approximately

Doubled to get a ballpark idea of PPM in "silver water" as opposed to salt

And hard water.



An EC or conductivity meter is a far better meter for CS and can be read

Straight up numbers in US as PPM in "silver water".




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Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[Ode Coyote]

At 11:16 AM 6/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:


The person I spoke to at immugenics was not a salesman.



..but you were "sold".

Ode





- Original Message - From: "Dee " 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question


I think as a customer it is agreeable to have someone speak to you who is
nice'.  However, in my experience, this does not mean that they are more
knowledgeable than the person who *isn't* 'nice'.  Often the reverse in fact
because a good salesman can sell people almost anything, whether it is good
or not.  Dee



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---Original Message---


From: faith gagne

Date: 06/15/07 15:58:00

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of

Science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm

Talking about, blah, blah, blah. Maybe that is not rude in your book, but

It is in mine. I am a Customer for Pete's sake. The guy needs a serious

Attitude adjustment. I have his email which I printed out and which I do

Not intend to forward. I am fully acquainted with his website.



On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to me

For over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every aspect of


Their lab and their product. The spokesperson could not have been nicer.

That is a world of difference, my friend. And if you want an informative

Website, check out Natural-immugenoics.






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Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[Ode Coyote]

At 10:57 AM 6/15/2007 -0400, you wrote:

Frank Key informed me in no uncertain terms that I am not a person of 
science and that my understanding is bogus, and I don't know what I'm 
talking about, blah, blah, blah.  Maybe that is not rude in your book, but 
it is in mine.   I am a Customer for pete's sake.  The guy needs a serious 
attitude adjustment.  I have his email which I printed out and which I do 
not intend to forward.   I am fully acquainted with his website.


On the other hand, one of the people at Natural-immunogenics talked to me 
for over an hour, answering my every question and discussing every aspect 
of their lab and their product.  The spokesperson could not have been 
nicer. That is a world of difference, my friend.  And if you want an 
informative website, check out Natural-immugenoics.



  That's nice, but Nat Imm is deceptive,  warps the science and the use of 
language like no bodies bidness to make you believe you are seeing and 
getting things that don't exist. [Good product, profound distortions 
selling it ]

 If you want a DIS-informative website, check out Natural-immugenoics.

 If you think that's wonderful, Frank is correct...you DON'T know what you 
are talking about.


 That's not a "sin", so, so what?

But, was it "Frank" that said so?


If you called "Colloids for Life", you called a distributor, not the 
manufacturer.  So, did you talk to "Frank"...or someone else?

Ergo, do you know what you are talking about on ANY score?

It's highly possible that a "distributor" also doesn't know much and used 
rudeness as a defense.  NOT uncommon.


Colloids For Life, LLC []
10343 N. Federal Blvd. Unit J#128
Westminster, CO 80260

Purest Colloids, Inc. [Frank]
600 Highland Drive, Suite 602
Westampton, NJ 08060

It's not likely that you can call Colorado and talk to a guy that lives in 
New Jersey.


I've never known Frank to be rude.  Maybe he isn't "nice".
  I wouldn't know, I'm not sensitive and appreciate *straight to the 
point* even if it makes me wrong.

 Being wrong isn't a sin, it's an opportunity.
   Some people are just "offendees" no matter what anyone says, if it 
isn't what they want to hear.
 I HAVE known the "other guy" to play manipulation games and look for 
recruits [ myself ]  to play them with him.


I'll go with not "nice" over a pleasant prevaricator any day.

I sit the fence on the *Ion vs Colloid* issue.
 I see no reason that both wouldn't work and neither hurts anything.
One might be better for some applications and the other better for other 
applications.


I have no way of telling whether or not Meso-silver is exactly what Frank 
says it is as he's very secretive about his process, but it's obvious that 
the Natural Immunogenics silver ISN'T exactly what THAT guy says it is and 
uses processes that CAN'T do what he says they do and DON'T show what he 
says they show in order to prove it. [and he knows better.  He isn't stupid 
or ignorant, he's a salesman and salesmen are "nice" to every customers 
face.  It's a requirement for the job. ]
 Calling a cat a dog and proving it with pictures of flying elephants 
taken two oxidation states over, doesn't prove donkeys have claws by 
playing word games with detailed technicalities using mixed languages.


Natural Immunogenics silver is very good stuff, but it's not "special" and 
no number of barking sales cats will *make* it special.
Now go look at American Biotech ASAP silver.  Exact same stuff, different 
meowing sales elephants wearing pigs ears...distortion and distraction 
taken to an ART of mislead to make a sale.


No, we didn't exactly "lie" we lead you down a language path of belief that 
you will follow all on your own in an effort to make the illogical make 
sense and the disconnected connect. [We know how people think, most people 
don't...and don't know that they don't. FACT ]

 You "bought" it, it works, we make some bucks...no harm done.  Right?
But had you known what you were REALLY looking at [vs what you were lead to 
believe you were seeing] , you could have done the same thing, or close 
enough to it to make zero difference, for a 10th -1000th the cost.



 Examples of barking sales cats:
" More doctors recommend this pill over all others combined " [ Any doctor 
that recommends combining all other pills should be shot]
"Would you [a man] take the same vitamin pills as a woman??"  [ Maybe, 
maybe not but I'm not getting a sex change to find out. ]


Dennis Lee bends a Sears and Roebuck torque wrench into a pretzel to prove 
how much horsepower a steam engine has.  O  Ahhh !!,  goes the 
impressionable audience eager to invest in a brand new "old hat", not 
knowing there is a big difference.



ode


- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question





  The guy that "makes" Meso Silver [Frank Key ] isn't rude and has one 
of the most valuable info sites about CS going.

www.

Re: CS>PWT testers - Ode

[Ode Coyote]

  The meters come calibrated and they seem to have done it well.
Hannas calibration fluid is expensive and sometimes defective. [Which will 
really mess with your head ]


I'd make up a batch of plain non iodized salt /distilled water, say a 
quart, at some specific meter reading, say 20 uS, at a specific room 
temperature..and keep that.
Pour some out into a clean sampling glass and check the meter...discard the 
sample.


When checking, keep both the meter and the water in the same place over night.

Ode



At 07:27 AM 6/15/2007 -0700, you wrote:

Is the calibration solution a "must have" for the proper readout on the 
PWT meter?


Pat

Ode Coyote  wrote:


That's what TDS meters are made for.
Metering CS is a mis-application, so the readout has to be approximately
doubled to get a ballpark idea of PPM in "silver water" as opposed to salt
and hard water.

An EC or conductivity meter is a far better meter for CS and can be read
straight up numbers in uS as PPM in "silver water".

Google:
Hanna HI 98308 "PWT" [pure water tester] or HM Digital COM-100

EC meters can sometimes be found on ebay.
For instance:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Digital-Conductivity-EC-Nutrient-Meter-us-cm-NEW_W0QQitemZ280123889307QQihZ018QQcategoryZ20766QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

EUR 19.99

ode


At 12:33 PM 6/15/2007 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi all, I've been Googling tds meters and only seem to be able to find ones
>for either acquarians or plumbing! Anyone any ideas for buying one in the
>UK please? TIA Dee
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CS>Quackbuster Busted ... Again

[William Missett]

Although this deals only with chiropractory, "Dr." Barrett has been a nemesis 
of CS for many years as well ...

SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, Calif., June 14 PRNewswire-USNewswire - In a strongly 
worded opinion, the Appeals Court for the State of Pennsylvania ruled against 
Stephen Barrett, a long-time critic of chiropractic and alternative health 
care. In an action that chiropractors see as a major setback for their nemesis, 
the judge refused to overturn a 2005 decision against Barrett.

The earlier lawsuit was won by chiropractor Tedd Koren, DC, whose company 
markets chiropractic educational pamphlets that Barrett had harshly criticized.
In his newsletter, Dr. Koren referred to the self-proclaimed "Quackbuster" as a 
"Quackpot" and commented that Barrett was "de-licensed," and "in trouble." 
Barrett sued Koren for defamation and lost the case.

Barrett, who represents himself as an expert on health care quackery, has 
appeared as a medical expert in numerous court cases and claims the FDA, FTC 
and other governmental agencies have consulted him on health care issues. He is 
noted for his outspoken opposition to and criticism of non-medical health care 
approaches, most of which he labels "quackery." His targets have included 
chiropractic, homeopathy, naturopathy, and even two-time Nobel Prize winner 
Linus Pauling.

Heading the legal team for the original Koren case and appeal was Carlos 
Negrete, who serves as legal counsel for the World Chiropractic Alliance (WCA).

"This is a great victory for the chiropractic profession," Koren stated after 
the Pennsylvania Appellate Court decision was announced. "Once again, 
chiropractors across the country have been vindicated and exposed the specious 
and evil attacks by someone who has no knowledge or expertise in our field."

Negrete specializes in representing alternative health care providers who are 
targeted by advocates of the medical and pharmaceutical industries. His 
previous court victories have positioned him as the premier "health freedom" 
attorney in the US.

During heated and often dramatic courtroom proceedings, Negrete pointed out 
many of the questionable statements Barrett includes on his websites attacking 
chiropractic, as well as facts about Barrett's own credentials that shocked 
even his supporters. Under Negrete's intense cross-examination, Barrett 
admitted that he had not been a licensed physician for more than a decade and 
had failed the neurological exam, preventing him from being certified as a 
specialist. Negrete demonstrated that, despite his claims, Barrett had no real 
expertise in any medical field.

Barrett also admitted, under questioning, that he misrepresented himself as a 
licensed physician in a previous court case.

"These revelations cast serious doubts about Barrett's credibility and 
integrity and were major factors in the judge's decision," Negrete stated.

Calling the case a "landmark decision" for chiropractors and alternative care 
providers, Negrete noted that "Barrett has made a career out of attacking core 
chiropractic values, specifically subluxation, with no scientific basis for his 
contentions. This case clearly shows that his opinions about chiropractic or 
other health care options are irrelevant."

WCA President Terry A. Rondberg, DC, agreed with Negrete. "This is a turning 
point not only for Barrett, but for all unscientific and uninformed opponents 
who seek to impose the medical monopoly on the public. People around the world 
deserve freedom of choice in health care and need valid, unbiased and truthful 
information on all options available to them. Thanks in great part to the WCA 
legal counsel, Carlos Negrete, they now have a better chance of getting both."

The World Chiropractic Alliance - an international organization representing 
doctors of chiropractic - promotes traditional, drug-free and non-invasive 
chiropractic to correct vertebral subluxations. The WCA is an NGO 
(Non-Governmental Organization) associated with the United Nations Department 
of Public Information and publishes the peer-reviewed chiropractic research 
journal, Journal of Vertebral Subluxation Research. For more information, 
contact the WCA at 800-347-1011 or http://www.worldchiropracticalliance.org.

SOURCE World Chiropractic Alliance

 

Re: CS>to Wendy

[Kirsteen Wright]

On 6/16/07, Carl Deb Charter  wrote:


I must have missed what was said about the pampered chef products...can
somebody please repost it.  Thanks!!



Wendy posted

I asked Huggins when I was at the clinic as I have pampered chef
stoneware and I also have the German clay non glazed oven units for
chickens etc.

He said they all come from the earth (ie. clay or stone etc) and so are
very polluted and not to use them as they leach in the heat just one
guys opinon though, I haven't seen anything in writing during my
research to learn more about these.

that's all I can find. hope it helps

Kirsteen

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Re: CS>to Wendy

[Carl Deb Charter]

I must have missed what was said about the pampered chef products...can 
somebody please repost it.  Thanks!!
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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: CS>to Wendy





That was interesting about the pampered chef products.


 Personally, I don't believe it.  To each his own.  MA


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Re: CS>to Wendy

[marmar845]

> That was interesting about the pampered chef products. 

 Personally, I don't believe it.  To each his own.  MA


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