Re: CS>Colloidal Silver Source
Hi There Marshall:) Does he have a website perchance? Thank you:) Liz:)
Re: CS>The Blue Man (Agryria) - Any Comments?
I've been following this thread closely since the first email. And I can't stand it. I just have to add my .02 worth. You know the only thing I really regret about the situation is the bad publicity. The man is an adult. No one forced the stuff down his throat. Personal responsibility has to come in here on this subject somewhere. When you're dosing yourself, it's your responsibility to do the research and find out what's what, and keep up with the news and advancements, or enquire from a reputable source. I am extremely cautious when trying something new. Herbs and and supplements and other alternative health care methods are just as powerful as any drug that the doctor prescribes and aren't to be played with. The problem with most people is that they're used to going to a doctor and popping a pill for just about everything. But it doesn't cure the root problem, it just alleviates the symptoms. Sometimes herbs and things take a while longer to show apparent results, and people in this instant gratification age have no patience. They want results and they want them right now. Take Glucosamin and Chondroitin for example. I KNOW it works (for me anyway) but it took about two months for me to really tell a difference, other people have used for only a week or so and could tell a difference in pain levels. The response time is depends on the individual. People can go to the doctor and get a pain pill that knocks out the pain right away, sure, but they continue to wear down the joints. I am so sensitive to pain meds that something as mild as the very lowest dosage Tylenol 3 or loricet conks me out for up to 14 hrs. I know Kava works. I used it for years to ease back spasms. I never had a problem with my liver or anything else. I have to buy it online now because of stupidity. Valerian and some of the other things just don't work as well for me as the Kava does. St John's wort works wonderfully well for me in conjunction with Kava for inflammation. MSM works great for me. If you drink a lot of alcohol there are a lot of things you shouldn't take prescribed or alternative. The liver is the main detox system for the body and many many drugs are filtered primarily by the liver. If your liver is already taxed because you drink alcohol every blasted day, then you're going to have problems. Same for the kidneys. There are SOME drugs that are filtered mainly by the kidneys. I can't fathom anyone, taking anything without knowing what it is, and how it works, and just what it does to their body. I don't trust ANYONE enough to just take something without looking at it very closely first. I Know some other supplements and herbs that work also because they worked for me, BUT I have never just taken things willy nilly. I have the utmost respect for plants and supplements because that is where modern medicines originated. Well except the synthetic drugs, and they used nature as a template for those too, otherwise they wouldn't work at all. And even now they have problems with them because they've changed the molecular structure, and the human body has trouble with strangely configured molecules(Just look at Trans fats). I believe that plants evolved along with animals and people and we can find a plant for just about anything. There are even cancer drugs now that originated from plants. People are so used to NOT taking responsibility for themselves and the Nanny government doesn't help. This started when all the danged lawyers started suing for stupid stuff, like the lady and the McDonald's coffee. Come on now, how much common sense does it take to know that coffee is hot, and you need to be careful with it? How much common sense does it take to know that whatever you take, it's going to affect you one way or another? The schools don't help either. They don't teach kids to think for themselves. I home schooled my kids. Not because of religion but because of the shape the schools are in. My kids can think for themselves. I taught them to. It IS a skill that can be taught. You can teach people to stop and think about things before they run off to do things. I taught my kids to think about things from different angles and weigh pros and cons and think about consequences BEFORE they do things. To this day they'll say I'm thinking about this or that, but I'm not sure yet if I should because of this or that, and I have to find out this or that first. I don't give out advice anymore either except for just a a few individuals that I know will do their own research and try it cautiously. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Nanny government steps in once again and overrides our rights to tell us we can't take CS or make it because we're too stupid to do it for ourselves. And THAT makes me really angry because they'll do something because a man turns blue but he isn't dead. But they put fluoride in water, they chlorinate water everywhere, they let let aspartame be sold, and Trans fats. That's not all but you get my p
Re: CS>Re: What did I do Wrong?
If you are not familiar with the difference between series and parallel circuits, measuring volts and amps, etc, stay away from that neon sign transformer! Although, it is designed to be current limited, so it *MIGHT* not kill you... Dan Clayton Family wrote: LOL! Last time I dead shorted something was maybe 15 years ago when I was installing a new elec box behind my stove. That was a stupid thing to do too. Then I kept on resetting the circuit breaker until I broke that! I finally called the electrician to come out and tell me where I went wrong (and I don't mean in my childhood). Sometimes my brain just goes on vacation, I have no excuse. I replaced the fuse and my meter works again. That's good- I guess I quit while I was not too far behind, I didn't fry the whole unit. I am glad I asked. The wall wart says it is a class 2 power supply, input 120V AC 60hz 20 w, output 24V DC 500mA. I did not realize there was a difference in those small units used to power all kinds of gadgets around the house. I have not looked at them closely. I thought transformers were more for high voltage applications, like neon signage and such. I do have one of those too, but they scare me. My regular 3 battery setup works fine. I was trying to see where to set the potentiometer to keep the current controlled with an AC to DC power supply. I just looked at my meter, and it says right on it the max for that setting is 400mA. Darn it. If I hook it up to the other lead, it will measure up to 10A, so I guess that is the way to go, then when I get the pot. set, so the current is low, maybe then I can move the lead to the other side. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fwd: BBC E-mail: Day in pictures
On 12/21/07, Dan Nave wrote: > I've heard of Blue Bull (Neelgai) before, but not Blue > Elephant. Maybe it is a "Bull" elephant... > > Burrah Din Mubarak Ho! > Dan I saw the same thing & was going to share it with the list, but you beat me to it. Maybe the Blue Man Group will have to change their color ! Where does it stop ? Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Current Measurement, Wheres the Logic ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balun
A balun, pronounced /'bæl.ʊn/ ("bal-un"), is a passive
electronic device that converts between balanced and
unbalanced electrical signals. They often also change
impedance. Baluns can take many forms and their presence is
not always obvious. They always involve some form of
electromagnetic coupling.
Marshall Dudley wrote:
Wayne Fugitt wrote:
Morning Marshall,
Maybe you can tell me what I am missing or what I do not understand.
The only reason one measures the current is that he wants
to know the current flow in a specific circuit,
A finite circuit at a specific time and condition.
It may be a changing circuit, possibly a CS batch.
If one starts adding components such as a resistor, no matter the
size, he has changed the circuit, and the reading will be meaningless.
It is not meaningless, and can usually be determined, but is often
insignificant. For instance if one has a CS system which has a 10 K
resistor in series with 30 volts to provide a 3 mA current limit, and
you put a 1 ohm resistor in series to measure the current, it will drop
no more than 3 mV. That is insignificant to the circuit, and the 10,001
ohms will be in error by 1/100 of what a 1% resistor tolerance is.
The ratio of the change could be somewhat specific, but in most cases
it will not be. ( actually unknown )
This would be determined by the ratio of the resistance added to the
ratio of the original circuit.
Once again, if you are using a sufficiently low value resistor, the
difference is insignificant.
Just because someone made a mistake and connected the meter wrong, is
no need to think they could not still do it correctly.
Well, first I am not sure she was connecting it wrong, since I am not
sure what she was trying to accomplish. Was she trying to measure the
short circuit current of the power supply? If so the connection was
right, but the sequence of applying power, and/or selection of range was
wrong. If she was wanting to measure the current through a CS cell,
then the connection was wrong. But if connected right, could have the
same effect, if the wires in the cell were accidentally shorted together
unless she is using a limiting resistor. Using a small shunt resistor
and the meter on volts is less likely to cause a failure in the meter
than measuring mA current if something does go wrong.
I hate to see people advising beginners with makeshift methods, half
truths, and encouraging them to
wish, hope and pray, and go around in circles.
Then one year later, or two years later, they will still be confused
and not understand 1 , 1, 1
One Volt, One Ohm, and One AMP.
Lets see, what it V = I*R, I = V/R or R= V/I? Just kidding.
If they cannot understand that, when it is explained, or study it a
few minutes, then they should Abandon Ship, ASAP.
The only reason I can see to use a known resistor with a current meter
is to test the meter to see if it works.
No, you use a known resistor with a voltage meter. Stay away from the
current meter selection entirely, the voltage input is much more
overload tolerant than the current input.
Any one of us could make a simple drawing, or a picture or two showing
how to connect a volt meter or a current meter.
Likely 10,000 exist on the internet.
Once when installing a production line automation system I built, one
of my men connected a transformer backwards to
480 VAC. When he used the meter, it was destroyed, not beyond repair,
but beyond recognition. He was lucky that he did not loose a finger
or two, or more.
Yep, I evaporated the entire shaft of a screwdriver once when I
accidentally got it across the terminals of a car battery. For a while
I thought I was going to be both blind AND deaf. My sight came back,
but my ears still ring.
We all know, the higher the voltage, the less forgiving it actually
is, to equipment and to humans.
Maybe I missed the whole point about using the resistor.
Maybe.
>> It is a somewhat derogatory term
Some are transformers, putting out 24 or so volts AC, but most have a
diode bridge in them and a filtering capacitor to supply DC.
I think the term, "Wall Wart" means only one simple thing,
The people who use it have not a clue what they actually have. If
they did, they would use the proper term,
Power supply or Transformer. Plain and simple.
I use the term, and know darned well what they are, and what is in
them. I tend to use the term because I think they are ugly, and that
tends to convey that feeling. Using a term like power supply or
transformer is no better, when I hear power supply, I think of either a
bench supply, or one of the units that go into a computer. A transformer
can be anything from a balm antenna transformer to an HO train set
transformer, to a neon sign transformer to a huge one in a substation.
Wall wart describes the physical appearance and approximate size,
transformer or power supply describes the functi
Re: CS>Fwd: BBC E-mail: Day in pictures
I've heard of Blue Bull (Neelgai) before, but not Blue Elephant. Maybe it is a "Bull" elephant... Burrah Din Mubarak Ho! Dan Richard wrote: Dear list members , photo no 5 - can this be a coincidence or is there a conspiracy going on ? happy christmas to you all - Richard Begin forwarded message: From: Richard Date: 21 de diciembre de 2007 18:48:14 GMT+01:00 To: Alisa Subject: Fwd: BBC E-mail: Day in pictures ** Day in pictures ** Some of the most striking images from around the world on 21 December 2007. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/in_pictures/7155596.stm > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Blue man
I agree. Also, you can see the blue color on his hands, but it is less blue, probably because they are not getting as much sun exposure, or because the circulation to his hands is less than that to his face. Dan alchemysa wrote: If it was a Sota unit they (sota) will probably have a record of the sale. It didnt look very old to me. Even the wires looked pretty new. I wouldn't be surprised to see something about it on Sota's website soon. My guess is they are just unlucky latecomers to this story. Perhaps if we have any Sota generator owners on the list they could email Sota and ask for their comments. I'd like to know if the Sota gen has 'current limiting' circuitry. By the way, I don't buy the 'putting on his face' theory. Its just too uniform and even. Its definitely the result of what he's been drinking. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>The blue man
Actually, my experiments show that you can get pretty repeatable ppms in tap water if you monitor the current and use the Faraday calculations the first time. The brew time will be very short compared to using distilled water and current control at 1ma. (On the order of 1 to 5 minutes in a glass of water, if I remember correctly.) Conduction rates will not "run away" because the initial conduction is very high and won't appreciably increase before you get the appropriate amount of silver into the water. Still, you will get silver compounds, I expect. And if you don't measure and calculate first, you could get extreme amounts of silver in your product. Many people are very naive. And some don't wish to think clearly about anything, so they will get themselves into trouble, one way or another. Dan alchemysa wrote: The article was on SBS television here in Australia last night. It looked like a Sota unit but who knows how recently he received that. I hope someone can find out more about what he's been drinking for most of the last 14 years. The trouble with using a '3-nines' system with tap water is not just that the you have a bunch of impurites. The problem is that the much higher electrical conductivity of the water means that thousands of times more silver gets dissolved into the water in a matter of minutes than would happen if you were running a 'current controlled' generator in pure water for hours. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Argyria yes. Other side effects no.
David: Thanks for an absolutely smashing report.. I just love it. Faith G. - Original Message - From: alchemysa To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: CS>Argyria yes. Other side effects no. Argyria is the real deal but the other side effects are speculation. A few months ago I tracked the claims of seizures, neurological problems, kidney damage, indigestion, headaches, fatigue, etc, as far as I could and have found they were barely credible. The FDA gets its info from the National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine. http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/ In turn, the NCCAM gets its info from the Natural Medicine Comprehensive Database. http://www.naturaldatabase.com I subscribed to that service and found that most of the claims are based on the speculative idea that drinking colloidal silver might induce the same symptoms as Metal Fume Fever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_fume_fever Basically, metal fume fever is what you get if you inhale lungfulls of toxic metal fumes such as from welding galvanised iron or working in a metal foundry. The other main reference listed in the NMCD database is 'Silver Products for Medical Indications, Risk benefit Assessment , Journal of Toxicology 1996 Fung and Bowen'. I couldnt find this paper anywhere on the net so I had to buy it from the National Library. Its 8 pages, almost entirely about argyria, but with a couple of very unconvincing hypothesis', mentioned almost as an aside, that silver might cause other symptoms. The trail for the source of these hypothesis' then gets even more blurred. But I think they are based on experiments in the mid 80's in which rats were fed high doses of silver nitrate every day until they started to get a bit cranky. (About 140 days straight as I recall). Even the researchers in those experiments concluded that the doses were so high that they bore no relevence to a real human situation. So in the end I'd have to say that the proof that silver causes side effects other than argyria is extremely unconvincing. A few months ago here in Australia the TGA (our FDA) published an alert that colloidal silver had caused in an elderly man 'debilitating fatigue accompanied by blue skin discolouration, dilated cardiomyopathy, amnesia and incoherent speech.' On three ocassions I asked the TGA to add some reference to the alert that proves that silver could cause any of these symptons other than argyria. They couldn't, and in the end simply said that the doctors diagnosis was good enough for them. I asked 'How can a doctor make such a diagnosis when theres no research to prove that silver can cause such a thing?' They had no answer for that other than "Go away". David Fox News states: The FDA does not consider colloidal silver safe or effective to treat any disease or condition. In fact, taking it could have serious side effects, such as: - Argyria - which is an irreversible blue-gray discoloration of your skin, nails and gums - Seizures and other neurological problems - Kidney damage - Indigestion - Headaches - Fatigue - Skin irritation
Re: CS>Argyria yes. Other side effects no.
Is it possible this man actually has a heart disease resulting in cyanosis (skin bluing from oxygen deficiency in the blood)? Just curious. - Original Message - From: alchemysa To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: CS>Argyria yes. Other side effects no. Argyria is the real deal but the other side effects are speculation. A few months ago I tracked the claims of seizures, neurological problems, kidney damage, indigestion, headaches, fatigue, etc, as far as I could and have found they were barely credible. The FDA gets its info from the National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine. http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/ In turn, the NCCAM gets its info from the Natural Medicine Comprehensive Database. http://www.naturaldatabase.com I subscribed to that service and found that most of the claims are based on the speculative idea that drinking colloidal silver might induce the same symptoms as Metal Fume Fever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_fume_fever Basically, metal fume fever is what you get if you inhale lungfulls of toxic metal fumes such as from welding galvanised iron or working in a metal foundry. The other main reference listed in the NMCD database is 'Silver Products for Medical Indications, Risk benefit Assessment , Journal of Toxicology 1996 Fung and Bowen'. I couldnt find this paper anywhere on the net so I had to buy it from the National Library. Its 8 pages, almost entirely about argyria, but with a couple of very unconvincing hypothesis', mentioned almost as an aside, that silver might cause other symptoms. The trail for the source of these hypothesis' then gets even more blurred. But I think they are based on experiments in the mid 80's in which rats were fed high doses of silver nitrate every day until they started to get a bit cranky. (About 140 days straight as I recall). Even the researchers in those experiments concluded that the doses were so high that they bore no relevence to a real human situation. So in the end I'd have to say that the proof that silver causes side effects other than argyria is extremely unconvincing. A few months ago here in Australia the TGA (our FDA) published an alert that colloidal silver had caused in an elderly man 'debilitating fatigue accompanied by blue skin discolouration, dilated cardiomyopathy, amnesia and incoherent speech.' On three ocassions I asked the TGA to add some reference to the alert that proves that silver could cause any of these symptons other than argyria. They couldn't, and in the end simply said that the doctors diagnosis was good enough for them. I asked 'How can a doctor make such a diagnosis when theres no research to prove that silver can cause such a thing?' They had no answer for that other than "Go away". David Fox News states: The FDA does not consider colloidal silver safe or effective to treat any disease or condition. In fact, taking it could have serious side effects, such as: - Argyria - which is an irreversible blue-gray discoloration of your skin, nails and gums - Seizures and other neurological problems - Kidney damage - Indigestion - Headaches - Fatigue - Skin irritation -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 12/21/2007 1:17 PM
Re: CS>Blue man / particle accretion
Bravo, bravo Marshall! What a great explanation. Thank you. Faith G. - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: Re: CS>Blue man / particle accretion Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: Re: CS>Blue man Once the silver particles are in the skin, then they can grow, even from EIS. That is why it is essential to NEVER take silver compounds which can cause the seeds to form in the skin in the first place. You want the ionic part to eventually plate out on the colloidal component of the CS in the blood stream, not on particles stuck in the skin. Marshall, This is very interesting. By what mechanism do the ionic particles attach to the particles that are stuck in the skin? The photographic development process. And, can I infer by your above statement that if an externally ingested silver solution were completely colloidal (rather than completely ionic, or a combination of ionic and colloidal), it would NOT attach to the particles stuck in the skin? That is correct, only silver compounds plate out on particles. See: http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#Compounds *What happens when you take silver compounds.* A silver compound will typically become silver chloride as soon as it hits the stomach. The silver chloride is sparingly soluble, about .8 ppm. The dissolved silver chloride will move into the blood stream and once there will be exposed to chemicals that will induce the silver to plate out on any other silver particles present. However initially there will be no other silver particles present, so the silver chloride circulates in the blood until exposed to light in the skin, where they are photo reduced to silver atoms. This is the photographic process that occurs when you take a picture (with a film camera). Once the silver atoms are produced in the skin, then the rest of the silver chloride will begin reducing onto those particles making them grow very fast, and resulting in many of them getting stuck in the skin. Since the particles are so small, they will appear as black or blue, giving the skin a bluish cast. This is called argyria, and can result from taking silver compounds without any colloidal component. http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#Internal *What happens to EIS when taken internally?* Since there are two components to EIS, then two different things happen. The colloidal portion diffuses through the stomach wall rather quickly and enters the blood stream as long as the particles are small enough. The ionic portion is a combination of silver hydroxide and silver oxide. While in solution they continually convert from one to the other and back again. Each has a solubility of about 13 ppm, so any EIS which is less than about 26 ppm and a pH of 7 will be totally dissolved. Upon contact with the HCl (hydrochloric acid) of the stomach both of these compounds will immediately form silver chloride. The silver chloride has a solubility of .8 ppm, so most of the silver chloride will precipitate out, but the remaining part will quickly move into the blood stream. As it does, that which precipitated will redissolve and move into the blood stream as well. The end result is that most of the silver chloride will move into the blood stream over time, but at a lower rate than the colloidal portion. Once it is in the blood stream it is exposed to the same effects we discussed for silver compounds above. Basically it will try to plate out on any silver particles it finds. Since there will be colloidal silver which already passed into the blood, there will be lots of particles for it to plate out on. So in short order the silver in the silver chloride plates out onto the colloidal particles already there, and they grow by a small amount. Typically for an EIS of 10% particulate content, the particles should grow to about double in size. This is insufficient to cause them to get caught up into tissues, and they eventually get removed by the kidneys. So, as it turns out. colloidal silver is actually a prophylactic against argyria, instead of a cause as some would have you believe. *Marshall* Many thanks. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Argyria yes. Other side effects no.
Argyria is the real deal but the other side effects are speculation. A few months ago I tracked the claims of seizures, neurological problems, kidney damage, indigestion, headaches, fatigue, etc, as far as I could and have found they were barely credible. The FDA gets its info from the National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine. http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/ In turn, the NCCAM gets its info from the Natural Medicine Comprehensive Database. http://www.naturaldatabase.com I subscribed to that service and found that most of the claims are based on the speculative idea that drinking colloidal silver might induce the same symptoms as Metal Fume Fever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_fume_fever Basically, metal fume fever is what you get if you inhale lungfulls of toxic metal fumes such as from welding galvanised iron or working in a metal foundry. The other main reference listed in the NMCD database is 'Silver Products for Medical Indications, Risk benefit Assessment , Journal of Toxicology 1996 Fung and Bowen'. I couldnt find this paper anywhere on the net so I had to buy it from the National Library. Its 8 pages, almost entirely about argyria, but with a couple of very unconvincing hypothesis', mentioned almost as an aside, that silver might cause other symptoms. The trail for the source of these hypothesis' then gets even more blurred. But I think they are based on experiments in the mid 80's in which rats were fed high doses of silver nitrate every day until they started to get a bit cranky. (About 140 days straight as I recall). Even the researchers in those experiments concluded that the doses were so high that they bore no relevence to a real human situation. So in the end I'd have to say that the proof that silver causes side effects other than argyria is extremely unconvincing. A few months ago here in Australia the TGA (our FDA) published an alert that colloidal silver had caused in an elderly man 'debilitating fatigue accompanied by blue skin discolouration, dilated cardiomyopathy, amnesia and incoherent speech.' On three ocassions I asked the TGA to add some reference to the alert that proves that silver could cause any of these symptons other than argyria. They couldn't, and in the end simply said that the doctors diagnosis was good enough for them. I asked 'How can a doctor make such a diagnosis when theres no research to prove that silver can cause such a thing?' They had no answer for that other than "Go away". David Fox News states: The FDA does not consider colloidal silver safe or effective to treat any disease or condition. In fact, taking it could have serious side effects, such as: -- Argyria -- which is an irreversible blue-gray discoloration of your skin, nails and gums -- Seizures and other neurological problems -- Kidney damage -- Indigestion -- Headaches -- Fatigue -- Skin irritation
Re: CS>Blue man / particle accretion
Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: Re: CS>Blue man Once the silver particles are in the skin, then they can grow, even from EIS. That is why it is essential to NEVER take silver compounds which can cause the seeds to form in the skin in the first place. You want the ionic part to eventually plate out on the colloidal component of the CS in the blood stream, not on particles stuck in the skin. Marshall, This is very interesting. By what mechanism do the ionic particles attach to the particles that are stuck in the skin? The photographic development process. And, can I infer by your above statement that if an externally ingested silver solution were completely colloidal (rather than completely ionic, or a combination of ionic and colloidal), it would NOT attach to the particles stuck in the skin? That is correct, only silver compounds plate out on particles. See: http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#Compounds *What happens when you take silver compounds.* A silver compound will typically become silver chloride as soon as it hits the stomach. The silver chloride is sparingly soluble, about .8 ppm. The dissolved silver chloride will move into the blood stream and once there will be exposed to chemicals that will induce the silver to plate out on any other silver particles present. However initially there will be no other silver particles present, so the silver chloride circulates in the blood until exposed to light in the skin, where they are photo reduced to silver atoms. This is the photographic process that occurs when you take a picture (with a film camera). Once the silver atoms are produced in the skin, then the rest of the silver chloride will begin reducing onto those particles making them grow very fast, and resulting in many of them getting stuck in the skin. Since the particles are so small, they will appear as black or blue, giving the skin a bluish cast. This is called argyria, and can result from taking silver compounds without any colloidal component. http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#Internal *What happens to EIS when taken internally?* Since there are two components to EIS, then two different things happen. The colloidal portion diffuses through the stomach wall rather quickly and enters the blood stream as long as the particles are small enough. The ionic portion is a combination of silver hydroxide and silver oxide. While in solution they continually convert from one to the other and back again. Each has a solubility of about 13 ppm, so any EIS which is less than about 26 ppm and a pH of 7 will be totally dissolved. Upon contact with the HCl (hydrochloric acid) of the stomach both of these compounds will immediately form silver chloride. The silver chloride has a solubility of .8 ppm, so most of the silver chloride will precipitate out, but the remaining part will quickly move into the blood stream. As it does, that which precipitated will redissolve and move into the blood stream as well. The end result is that most of the silver chloride will move into the blood stream over time, but at a lower rate than the colloidal portion. Once it is in the blood stream it is exposed to the same effects we discussed for silver compounds above. Basically it will try to plate out on any silver particles it finds. Since there will be colloidal silver which already passed into the blood, there will be lots of particles for it to plate out on. So in short order the silver in the silver chloride plates out onto the colloidal particles already there, and they grow by a small amount. Typically for an EIS of 10% particulate content, the particles should grow to about double in size. This is insufficient to cause them to get caught up into tissues, and they eventually get removed by the kidneys. So, as it turns out. colloidal silver is actually a prophylactic against argyria, instead of a cause as some would have you believe. *Marshall* Many thanks. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Blue man / particle accretion
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: Re: CS>Blue man Once the silver particles are in the skin, then they can grow, even from EIS. That is why it is essential to NEVER take silver compounds which can cause the seeds to form in the skin in the first place. You want the ionic part to eventually plate out on the colloidal component of the CS in the blood stream, not on particles stuck in the skin. Marshall, This is very interesting. By what mechanism do the ionic particles attach to the particles that are stuck in the skin? And, can I infer by your above statement that if an externally ingested silver solution were completely colloidal (rather than completely ionic, or a combination of ionic and colloidal), it would NOT attach to the particles stuck in the skin? Many thanks. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Current Measurement, Wheres the Logic ?
Wayne Fugitt wrote: Morning Marshall, Maybe you can tell me what I am missing or what I do not understand. The only reason one measures the current is that he wants to know the current flow in a specific circuit, A finite circuit at a specific time and condition. It may be a changing circuit, possibly a CS batch. If one starts adding components such as a resistor, no matter the size, he has changed the circuit, and the reading will be meaningless. It is not meaningless, and can usually be determined, but is often insignificant. For instance if one has a CS system which has a 10 K resistor in series with 30 volts to provide a 3 mA current limit, and you put a 1 ohm resistor in series to measure the current, it will drop no more than 3 mV. That is insignificant to the circuit, and the 10,001 ohms will be in error by 1/100 of what a 1% resistor tolerance is. The ratio of the change could be somewhat specific, but in most cases it will not be. ( actually unknown ) This would be determined by the ratio of the resistance added to the ratio of the original circuit. Once again, if you are using a sufficiently low value resistor, the difference is insignificant. Just because someone made a mistake and connected the meter wrong, is no need to think they could not still do it correctly. Well, first I am not sure she was connecting it wrong, since I am not sure what she was trying to accomplish. Was she trying to measure the short circuit current of the power supply? If so the connection was right, but the sequence of applying power, and/or selection of range was wrong. If she was wanting to measure the current through a CS cell, then the connection was wrong. But if connected right, could have the same effect, if the wires in the cell were accidentally shorted together unless she is using a limiting resistor. Using a small shunt resistor and the meter on volts is less likely to cause a failure in the meter than measuring mA current if something does go wrong. I hate to see people advising beginners with makeshift methods, half truths, and encouraging them to wish, hope and pray, and go around in circles. Then one year later, or two years later, they will still be confused and not understand 1 , 1, 1 One Volt, One Ohm, and One AMP. Lets see, what it V = I*R, I = V/R or R= V/I? Just kidding. If they cannot understand that, when it is explained, or study it a few minutes, then they should Abandon Ship, ASAP. The only reason I can see to use a known resistor with a current meter is to test the meter to see if it works. No, you use a known resistor with a voltage meter. Stay away from the current meter selection entirely, the voltage input is much more overload tolerant than the current input. Any one of us could make a simple drawing, or a picture or two showing how to connect a volt meter or a current meter. Likely 10,000 exist on the internet. Once when installing a production line automation system I built, one of my men connected a transformer backwards to 480 VAC. When he used the meter, it was destroyed, not beyond repair, but beyond recognition. He was lucky that he did not loose a finger or two, or more. Yep, I evaporated the entire shaft of a screwdriver once when I accidentally got it across the terminals of a car battery. For a while I thought I was going to be both blind AND deaf. My sight came back, but my ears still ring. We all know, the higher the voltage, the less forgiving it actually is, to equipment and to humans. Maybe I missed the whole point about using the resistor. Maybe. >> It is a somewhat derogatory term Some are transformers, putting out 24 or so volts AC, but most have a diode bridge in them and a filtering capacitor to supply DC. I think the term, "Wall Wart" means only one simple thing, The people who use it have not a clue what they actually have. If they did, they would use the proper term, Power supply or Transformer. Plain and simple. I use the term, and know darned well what they are, and what is in them. I tend to use the term because I think they are ugly, and that tends to convey that feeling. Using a term like power supply or transformer is no better, when I hear power supply, I think of either a bench supply, or one of the units that go into a computer. A transformer can be anything from a balm antenna transformer to an HO train set transformer, to a neon sign transformer to a huge one in a substation. Wall wart describes the physical appearance and approximate size, transformer or power supply describes the function. Neither alone really gives a complete description, one would need to say a wall wart power supply, or a wall wart rated at 24 VDC @ 500 mA for example. It is one or the other, not a stupid Wall Wart. I keep a precision 50 AMP meter shunt in my truck. I built it in a nice plastic box with terminal strips installed on the box. ( for DC ) I can measure 3 amp
Mary --Re: CS>The Blue Man (Agryria) - Any Comments?
Mary you speak wise words <> What do you mean when you talk about rubics, would that be checking pulses, tongue, kinesology or such?? <> Kathy in AZ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fwd: BBC E-mail: Day in pictures
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44315000/jpg/_44315699_elephant2_afp416.jpg LOLI consider myself to be a world class CS snorter, able to reach even the sinus cavities at the back of my head, but this guy has me outclassed. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com Original Message - From: Richard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: CS>Fwd: BBC E-mail: Day in pictures Dear list members , photo no 5 - can this be a coincidence or is there a conspiracy going on ? happy christmas to you all - Richard Begin forwarded message: From: Richard Date: 21 de diciembre de 2007 18:48:14 GMT+01:00 To: Alisa Subject: Fwd: BBC E-mail: Day in pictures ** Day in pictures ** Some of the most striking images from around the world on 21 December 2007. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/in_pictures/7155596.stm > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm
Re: CS>Water Distillers
I would be interested also, but do know of one that is pretty cheap but takes a long time and that would be www.waterdistiller.com Leslie --- faith gagne wrote: > The Group may have discussed this before, most > likely, but could someone please suggest a good > inexpensive water distiller? Much appreciated. > Thanks. > > Faith G. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Water Distillers
The Group may have discussed this before, most likely, but could someone please suggest a good inexpensive water distiller? Much appreciated. Thanks. Faith G.
CS>Fwd: BBC E-mail: Day in pictures
Dear list members , photo no 5 - can this be a coincidence or is there a conspiracy going on ? happy christmas to you all - Richard Begin forwarded message: From: Richard Date: 21 de diciembre de 2007 18:48:14 GMT+01:00 To: Alisa Subject: Fwd: BBC E-mail: Day in pictures ** Day in pictures ** Some of the most striking images from around the world on 21 December 2007. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/in_pictures/7155596.stm > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/ 4162471.stm
CS>Current Measurement, Wheres the Logic ?
Morning Marshall, Maybe you can tell me what I am missing or what I do not understand. The only reason one measures the current is that he wants to know the current flow in a specific circuit, A finite circuit at a specific time and condition. It may be a changing circuit, possibly a CS batch. If one starts adding components such as a resistor, no matter the size, he has changed the circuit, and the reading will be meaningless. The ratio of the change could be somewhat specific, but in most cases it will not be. ( actually unknown ) This would be determined by the ratio of the resistance added to the ratio of the original circuit. Just because someone made a mistake and connected the meter wrong, is no need to think they could not still do it correctly. I hate to see people advising beginners with makeshift methods, half truths, and encouraging them to wish, hope and pray, and go around in circles. Then one year later, or two years later, they will still be confused and not understand 1 , 1, 1 One Volt, One Ohm, and One AMP. If they cannot understand that, when it is explained, or study it a few minutes, then they should Abandon Ship, ASAP. The only reason I can see to use a known resistor with a current meter is to test the meter to see if it works. Any one of us could make a simple drawing, or a picture or two showing how to connect a volt meter or a current meter. Likely 10,000 exist on the internet. Once when installing a production line automation system I built, one of my men connected a transformer backwards to 480 VAC. When he used the meter, it was destroyed, not beyond repair, but beyond recognition. He was lucky that he did not loose a finger or two, or more. We all know, the higher the voltage, the less forgiving it actually is, to equipment and to humans. Maybe I missed the whole point about using the resistor. >> It is a somewhat derogatory term Some are transformers, putting out 24 or so volts AC, but most have a diode bridge in them and a filtering capacitor to supply DC. I think the term, "Wall Wart" means only one simple thing, The people who use it have not a clue what they actually have. If they did, they would use the proper term, Power supply or Transformer. Plain and simple. It is one or the other, not a stupid Wall Wart. I keep a precision 50 AMP meter shunt in my truck. I built it in a nice plastic box with terminal strips installed on the box. ( for DC ) I can measure 3 amp full scale up to 300 amp full scale relative to AC. No guessing at anything. When you work on 480 / 3 phase inverters of 48,000 VA you cannot afford to guess. 3 battery cabinets, 5 feet tall and 40 feet long each . Awesome Some of the fuses cost $ 20.00 each. I have bought $ 200.00 worth of fuses before I would go do a service call. Not exactly Mickey Mouse stuff. Wayne == Marshall faith gagne wrote: What on earth is a wall wart? Faith G - Original Message - From: "Clayton Family" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: CS>what did I do wrong? Dear Esteemed and Learned List Members, I was fooling around with a wall wart that is listed as 24V and 500mA, and had it hooked up in series with my radioshack multimeter. It tested as 30.6V, and after I switched it to mA, the meter failed. Now it just reads micro volts and won't read anything else. Dang! Maybe I had it on micro amps instead of milliamps, and would that break it? I need another multimeter! But I don't want to just turn around and break this one too. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Blue man
Ode Coyote wrote: SOTA Inst. started selling $10 optional current control add ons to their silver pulser a few years back. Now, I think it's integrated, but they still use a timer. There is a circuit diagram posted on their website that shows a separate circuit for making EIS, but it's an "older" diagram and uses a grain of wheat light bulb like some of the old 3 nines generators to limit the current to something below making a fire if the electrodes were shorted out. New specs say 1.5 mA if I recall. The generator in the video looks like the new SOTA packaging. Even if he is now using the new unit, and distilled water, and doing it right, it can still aggregate his argyria. Once the silver particles are in the skin, then they can grow, even from EIS. That is why it is essential to NEVER take silver compounds which can cause the seeds to form in the skin in the first place. You want the ionic part to eventually plate out on the colloidal component of the CS in the blood stream, not on particles stuck in the skin. Marshall ode At 08:28 AM 12/21/2007 +1030, you wrote: If it was a Sota unit they (sota) will probably have a record of the sale. It didnt look very old to me. Even the wires looked pretty new. I wouldn't be surprised to see something about it on Sota's website soon. My guess is they are just unlucky latecomers to this story. Perhaps if we have any Sota generator owners on the list they could email Sota and ask for their comments. I'd like to know if the Sota gen has 'current limiting' circuitry. By the way, I don't buy the 'putting on his face' theory. Its just too uniform and even. Its definitely the result of what he's been drinking. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
Re: CS>what did I do wrong?
It is a somewhat derogatory term applied to those small power supplies you plug into the wall to power and or charge things like cell phones. Some are transformers, putting out 24 or so volts AC, but most have a diode bridge in them and a filtering capacitor to supply DC. Marshall faith gagne wrote: What on earth is a wall wart? Faith G - Original Message - From: "Clayton Family" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: CS>what did I do wrong? Dear Esteemed and Learned List Members, I was fooling around with a wall wart that is listed as 24V and 500mA, and had it hooked up in series with my radioshack multimeter. It tested as 30.6V, and after I switched it to mA, the meter failed. Now it just reads micro volts and won't read anything else. Dang! Maybe I had it on micro amps instead of milliamps, and would that break it? I need another multimeter! But I don't want to just turn around and break this one too. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>The Blue Man (Agryria) - Any Comments?
cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I have a Sota pulser. I bought it for blood electrification. It has the added feature of making CS. At that time, as I recall, the pinch of salt was recommended. Yes. Beck recommended a pinch of salt. I am not sure if he changed his mind or died first. The Sota unit initially followed Beck's salt advice. I hope they have changed that advice since then. When they found out this was wrong they SHOULD have mailed every one of their customers to tell them about it, but I don't think they did. Marshall My personal use of CS has always been an ounce per day as prophylactic. Works better than waiting for infection then trying to "catch up". Chuck Asking if computers can think is like asking if submarines can swim On 12/20/2007 8:07:20 AM, Silver Smith (cag@gmail.com) wrote: When you watch the clip carefully, the generator looks like the SOTA Silver Pulser? How long have they been around? Have we heard of any problems with them? I still think it must be the water or the salt or other. If not, with the 100's of thousands using CS statistically we would have MANY more "Poppa Smurf's" to read about. On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:31:51 -5, M. G. Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]> wrote: Oh, by the way. Thanks for bringing the story to our attention, Chuck and Smith. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>what did I do wrong?
Clayton Family wrote: Dear Esteemed and Learned List Members, I was fooling around with a wall wart that is listed as 24V and 500mA, and had it hooked up in series with my radioshack multimeter. It tested as 30.6V, and after I switched it to mA, the meter failed. Now it just reads micro volts and won't read anything else. Dang! Maybe I had it on micro amps instead of milliamps, and would that break it? Maybe, but probably not. I would expect it to fail if you put it on milliamps. If you have a wall wart that is open circuit then short circuit it without any limiting resistor, you can expect a surge of 100 to 1000 amps or so. This will take out any meter easily. Most multimeters have a fuse in them, and if yours does, then replacing the fuse should fix it. BTW if you wanted to know the steady state short circuit current, you could come pretty close from the measurements you have already made. Assuming no saturation, you measured 30.6 volts on a device rated 500mA @ 24 volts. Thus 500 mA drops 6.6 volts, and is thus 13.2 ohms. If you short it out, you could expect a current of about 30.6/13.2 = 2.3 amps. I need another multimeter! But I don't want to just turn around and break this one too. Don't measure an unlimited voltage source with a current meter. If you want to measure the current through something, like a CS cell, that is fine, but never the unlimited source itself. If you really want to measure the short circuit current, then use a small resistor, like .1 ohm, and measure the voltage across the resistor, starting at 50 volts and going down. Do it quickly, or the wart may burn up if they don't have any thermal limiting in it. Even if they have a thermal link in it, if that blows the wart will stop working.. Marshall Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Colloidal Silver Source
This list has had requests over the years for a good source of inexpensive colloidal silver of high quality. There really has not been one since I quit selling CS retail a couple of years ago. I think I have one I can refer people to now. I have been working with the guy, and he is now making it the same way I do, current limit, polarity reversal, flow through. I am not sure what he is charging at this time, but I am sure it is much lower than you can get at the health food store. He is shipping 16 oz, quart and gallon sizes. His standard is 5-6 ppm, and his high concentration is 15 ppm. He can be contacted at drbill...@belltouth.net or Supra Research @ 843-664-9908. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2007 #608
Huh? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Dr. Bill Date: 21/12/2007 14:08:41 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2007 #608 - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2007 #608 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour <>
Re: CS>The Blue Man (Agryria) - Any Comments?
Boy I really hated to see this, The FDA will be all over this issue, attempting to regulate and ban over exaggerated hype. There's no vaccination for ignorance. But yet you can be prescribed drugs (still on the market) to ensure your libido doesn't slip even though it has shown to cause instantaneous deafness. GO FIGURE! I'll take my cs, that takes 19 hr. / gal to produce, made with pure silver and steam distilled (made myself) in tablespoon fulls as needed. A little goes a long way. This is a perfect example as to why I don't recommend homeopathics to people either. There aren't any persons in my circle that take the time to research, read up on and keep up to date with modification to an alternative health protocol; as I do. The result you end up with a person taking it's use out of context through either lack of pursuing information or misinformation (old methods) or simply a person who operates by the premise of more is better; We all know that is not the wisest mindset, right? Just two days ago while talking to my niece about exercises she said, well if I do it and then my back hurts, I can just take a few of those balls (homeopathic medicine). She is staying with my sister for the holidays ans was referring to the homeopathic remedy I had given to MY SIS for HER back pain. Now mind you I have not done any form of rubics for her or leg length testing to determine what remedy she may need when in pain! Some people don't have any sense..period. One has to bear in mind that each person and their reactions to any form of treatment or medicine is as individual as our fingerprints. What works for one person may not work in the same manner for another. I really feel for this man and hope that he is lead to the treatment protocol to counteract agyria. I do believe this mans discoloration is real. His comment, he would continue to use cs but simply take less, leads me to believe he falls into the more is better mind set. Most likely the result of stack up of tolerance involving may variables; method of preparation ie salt, dwell/ppm, coupled with volume ingested/over time etc. Mary On 12/20/07, sol wrote: > Pat Lawrie wrote: > > > > > > This will be picked up by all media now and surely will make a > > "stain" upon its use as people will be scared of using it. > > > > > Well, that is the whole point, isn't it? > sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2007 #608
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2007 #608 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>The Blue Man (Agryria) - Any Comments?
A classic example of dis-information. Sounds good but completely wrong. faith gagne wrote: Kirsteen The gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that's where they believe, in their deepest heart, that they deserve to go. Which they won't do if they don't know about it. This explains why it is so important to shoot missionaries on sight. -- (Terry Pratchett, Eric) .. UGH! Faith G. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>what did I do wrong?
Thanks. - Original Message - From: "Clayton Family" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: Re: CS>what did I do wrong? On Dec 20, 2007, at 7:41 PM, faith gagne wrote: What on earth is a wall wart? Faith G I have been told it is an affectionate term for the power supply plugs that convert ac power to dc power, like for recharging a cell phone, for instance. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: What did I do Wrong?
If you have the meter hooked up in series and electrodes in water, it won't "draw" more than just a few milliamps as the resistance of the water will limit the current...so, it doesn't matter if the amp rating of the transformer is one half amp or ten thousand amps. If the current draw exceeds the rating of the transformer, the transformer burns up...anything less than that is fine. Hooking up an ammeter in parallel is a dead short that will definitely exceed some thing, some where... and what ever that is, that part WILL let the smoke out ...the smoke that all electrical circuits must have inside to keep working. Fuses let smoke out real easy by design. PS An unregulated 24 volt 500 mA AC to DC wall wart probably puts out more like 40 volts at the loads you are working with. An AC to AC unit may be as high as 100 volts peak to peak and deliver that to your parts. Ode At 07:11 PM 12/20/2007 -0600, you wrote: LOL! Last time I dead shorted something was maybe 15 years ago when I was installing a new elec box behind my stove. That was a stupid thing to do too. Then I kept on resetting the circuit breaker until I broke that! I finally called the electrician to come out and tell me where I went wrong (and I don't mean in my childhood). Sometimes my brain just goes on vacation, I have no excuse. I replaced the fuse and my meter works again. That's good- I guess I quit while I was not too far behind, I didn't fry the whole unit. I am glad I asked. The wall wart says it is a class 2 power supply, input 120V AC 60hz 20 w, output 24V DC 500mA. I did not realize there was a difference in those small units used to power all kinds of gadgets around the house. I have not looked at them closely. I thought transformers were more for high voltage applications, like neon signage and such. I do have one of those too, but they scare me. My regular 3 battery setup works fine. I was trying to see where to set the potentiometer to keep the current controlled with an AC to DC power supply. I just looked at my meter, and it says right on it the max for that setting is 400mA. Darn it. If I hook it up to the other lead, it will measure up to 10A, so I guess that is the way to go, then when I get the pot. set, so the current is low, maybe then I can move the lead to the other side. Kathryn On Dec 20, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Wayne Fugitt wrote: Kathryn, I can't believe you wrote that message. You had me fooled. I though you was a tech of sorts. >>At 05:31 PM 12/20/2007, you wrote: I was fooling around with a wall wart that is listed as 24V and 500mA, and had it hooked up in series with my radioshack multimeter. It tested as 30.6V, and after I switched it to mA, the meter failed. The really good meters have a fuse in the current part of the meter. Even then, you should know the range of your current meter and the amount of current in the circuit you wish to measure. They are easily replaceable by the user. If you add the resistor as was suggested, the reading will be worthless anyway. Sounds like this is all to complicated for you. Maybe you should forget the whole smear. Current measurement is not for everyone. Measuring the current in a CS batch is not like measuring the maximum current of a power supply or transformer. You need to learn a few terms, the right one. A wall wart is not an acceptable term. You do not know if you have a power supply or a transformer. At least you stated, 24 V. another worthless term. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
Re: CS>what did I do wrong?
You ran full current past it's range or through the shunt like a short circuit [parallel, not series] and blew out the fuse in the meter. There are generally 2 current range sockets on a meter, one up to around 200 milliamps and another for up to 10 amps. Checking current MUST be a series hook up with both leads on [+] *or* [-] with a break in one wire. Voltage is a parallel hook up.one lead on [+] *and* one on [-] Open up the back and replace the fuse. ode At 04:27 PM 12/20/2007 -0600, you wrote: Dear Esteemed and Learned List Members, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I was fooling around with a wall wart that is listed as 24V and 500mA, and had it hooked up in series with my radioshack multimeter. It tested as 30.6V, and after I switched it to mA, the meter failed. Now it just reads micro volts and won't read anything else. Dang! Maybe I had it on micro amps instead of milliamps, and would that break it? I need another multimeter! But I don't want to just turn around and break this one too. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
Re: CS>Blue man
SOTA Inst. started selling $10 optional current control add ons to their silver pulser a few years back. Now, I think it's integrated, but they still use a timer. There is a circuit diagram posted on their website that shows a separate circuit for making EIS, but it's an "older" diagram and uses a grain of wheat light bulb like some of the old 3 nines generators to limit the current to something below making a fire if the electrodes were shorted out. New specs say 1.5 mA if I recall. The generator in the video looks like the new SOTA packaging. ode At 08:28 AM 12/21/2007 +1030, you wrote: If it was a Sota unit they (sota) will probably have a record of the sale. It didnt look very old to me. Even the wires looked pretty new. I wouldn't be surprised to see something about it on Sota's website soon. My guess is they are just unlucky latecomers to this story. Perhaps if we have any Sota generator owners on the list they could email Sota and ask for their comments. I'd like to know if the Sota gen has 'current limiting' circuitry. By the way, I don't buy the 'putting on his face' theory. Its just too uniform and even. Its definitely the result of what he's been drinking. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
Re: CS>The Blue Man (Agryria) - Any Comments?
When silver ions dry out [water evaporates] they oxidize into brown to black [not blue] silver oxides which will stain the skin. This is not agyria and will wear off like magic marker art. 14 years ago EVERYONE was using 3 nines in salt water and the instructions "1 minute = 1 PPM" with absolutely no mention of the volume of water, exponential current ramp up ["runaway" ] current density and so on. Only 8 years ago, there was about zero sensible information available on what is happening in the process or how to control it. Pink , green and violet "CS' were being promoted as desirable. I have a $150 generator made in the late 80s [SilverGenie] that will make a pint of emulsified black and brown layered "MUD" in under 4 minutes...in distilled water. Utter trash. There's actually a warning label on it that says running the thing for more than 4 minutes may cause a fire and touching the electrodes may cause death. It wasn't until the mid to late 90s that any "good" generators started being made that controlled the process in a repeatable manner. Ode At 11:43 AM 12/20/2007 -0500, you wrote: did the blue man drink silver for 14 years straight? How much? the water made looked good quality. He sais he blieved it was putting on his face that caused the blueness. I've heard this before especially when exposed to sun. ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Calcium/magnesium ratio/ Sota silver pulser
I take Boron because it's supposed to help post menopausal women absorb Calcium, which is dependent on estrogen levels. I also seem to be doing much better in bone health since becoming a vegetarian, as my knee injury got stronger and is no longer bothering me. Nancy On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Gail Naranjo wrote: OK, that kind of confirms what is said in The Magnesium Factor. I think it is there where it says more are deficient in magnesium than calcium and more importantly if you use too much calcium somehow works against bone health. Suggested not to take more than 500 mg. calcium & more magnesium. I still don't really know what to think about it. Still feel like I need more calcium than that being post menopasual. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
