Re: CS'3 nines' equals about 764 ppm in ten minutes.
Veddy interestink! A current plot would be, as well. So, what does that stuff look like..now..and after letting sunlight hit it for a while? Ode At 11:41 PM 12/23/2007 +1030, you wrote: I've tried to re-create the 'old method' of making Colloidal Silver with a glass of tap water, a pinch of salt, and 3 x 9v batteries with no current control. This was the method used by Stan Jones, (and perhaps by the new blue man, Paul Karosan) I started with a brand new 12 gauge pure silver anode (and cathode). 7 cms was submersed. I calculated that this weighed 2.3 grams or 2300 milligrams. (Based on 'ccsilver' website information 34'' = 1oz. or 86cm = 28g). The electrodes were spaced about an inch apart. After 60 MINUTES of brewing time I observed the anode. It was visibly VERY reduced. I estimated it had lost half its volume. So in one hour, 1150 milligrams of silver had been dissolved in just 250 mls of water. This equates to 4600 ppm. As the conductivity of the water was 'consistently high' throughout the brew time I estimated that after 10 minutes the milligrams dissolved would have been about one sixth of the final amount , or about 191 mgs in 250 mls. This equates to 764 ppm (Produced in just 10 minutes remember.) So any assumption that this old method makes about 1 ppm per minute is completely wrong by a factor of about 70. And I doubt that omitting the pinch of salt would have made much difference because the conductivity of the tap water was pretty high anyway. (So making CS with anything other than pure water is a bad idea.) You'll also note that the calculations above are exclusively limited to the milligrams of pure silver that was actually dissolved. I have no idea what that would equate to in ppms of silver chloride. Compare this to one of todays current controlled Silverpuppys or Silvergens for example. After 3 or 4 hours brewing time in pure water they produce about 15 ppm. (Or about 3.7 milligrams in a 250 ml glass of water) And no silver chloride. Meter readings don't mean much in a test like this but I recorded them anyway with a HM Digital COM100. Tap water: 324ppm / 660uS Pinch of salt added: 990ppm / 1950uS After 30 minutes: 1330ppm / 2650uS After 60mins: 1820ppm / 3450uS. Actually, I was surprised to see the conductivity increase. I expected it to remain virtually stable with dissolved silver combining with impurities to form non conductive particles. My power source was a DC wall transformer that output about 29v. Regards David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM
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Re: CSThe Blue Man (Agryria) - Any Comments?
Gone OT silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com ode At 09:18 AM 12/23/2007 -0500, you wrote: There is no more too hot coffee sold at McDonalds. When an elderly woman endured intense physical pain which resulted in personal disfigurement that required corrective surgery after spilling a scalding hot beverage in her lap at McDonald's drive up window, the authorities finally woke up and decided it was not such a bright idea to serve scalding hot beverages to people in moving vehicles.. Coffee temperature is now reduced and regulated by law at McDonalds and probably all drive up windows. I tend to appreciate many of the public safety rules. It didn't happen to me but that does not stop me from deeply sympathizing with the woman to whom it did happen. - Original Message - From: mailto:p...@zoomnet.netPaula Perry To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:20 AM Subject: Re: CSThe Blue Man (Agryria) - Any Comments? I think the most valid reason for what you call the nanny state is NOT to protect consumers. It's government and corporate interest merger. Government agencies, especially of late, work primarily to protect industry profits and monopolies. Lawyers and suing are just part of a little side show. It has gotten tougher and tougher to beat big insurance and big pharma racket. Sure take the wrong leg off during an operation you are likely to collect something if you live long enough. Might be better to have the leg. A lot of new legislation is now in force that protects pharma and places limits on what people can collect for damages. Most people damaged by pharma drugs and surgeries and infections related to hospitals don't collect a dime. Behind that anti lawyer spin are a lot of big insurance and big pharma talking heads. How many people have collected damages for too hot of coffee since that one case was fully exploited by the corporate controlled media? Probably none. Paula - Original Message - From: mailto:jitte...@gis.netfaith gagne To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:57 PM Subject: Re: CSThe Blue Man (Agryria) - Any Comments? People are so used to NOT taking responsibility for themselves and the Nanny government doesn't help. This started when all the danged lawyers started suing for stupid stuff, like the lady and the McDonald's coffee. Come on now, how much common sense does it take to know that coffee is hot, and you need to be careful with it? Liz: The woman was elderly and was badly injured. Accidents happen. Faith G. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Maker for Emergencies
All I knew or could find out about CS back then wasalmost absolutely nothing...which alone was enough to figure out how not to do it. Total ignorance is an opportunity to dispel tradition. I never thought using salt was a good idea and never tried it. As a former seat-o-the pants electro-plater, I always used de-ionized water in the vats...and..current control set by observation. Purity and the right current to match the shapes was very important to results. Burnt edges and un-plated inside corners that need bleed wires teach about ion discharge in reverse, by observation. The idea was to make silver water not silver and who knows what water. If you don't know what's supposed to be in there, don't use it until the results say you should try something else you know nothing about. After the initial Nope, black ain't it... the results just said tweek the current and observe closer, nothing else needed. [Try not to burn it next time, ey? ..like, creep up on it with a garden trowel and a don't use dynamite first.] Surprise! Silver water is NOT light sensitive...like EVERYONE said. ..and if I don't do *that*, it doesn't get [burnt] yellow like everyone said it should be. Ode At 09:56 AM 12/23/2007 -0600, you wrote: Morning Ode, At 07:48 AM 12/23/2007, you wrote: That's pretty much my first attempt to make CS...almost didn't dare pour it down the drain and *some* people will drink that stuff. I find it hard to believe that you screwed up your first batch ? I did a perfect job on my first batch, and every batch since. It must be the very high tech, super complex generator that I use. Or it may be the control system that controls it. grin I know some people get carried away and wind up in Cloud 9. Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM
Re: CSColloidal vs Ionic
Ionic silver is what comes off the electrodes in EVERY generator that uses electrodes in water. After that forms a mix of colloids made *from* those ions [and inevitable anions ] consisting of silver oxides, silver hydroxide and metallic silver in varying somewhat tweekable proportionsalong with, the ionic silver that remains ionic. The only difference between this generator and that generator is how the process is tweeked to favor this something over something else forming later and where. Bricks are bricks, it's how they get stacked that makes buildings look different. If nothing has a control to control it, that's just that much less tweeking that can be done. PS I went from having 1-3 cavities a year to 2 repairs in 9 years. In fact, 3 watch spots simply stopped progressing for 3 years before the dentist got tired of watching them do nothing and filled them on GP I've given much CS to people who have chronic plaque problems...er..make that had plaque problems. Within 2 weeksGONE, without exception. Add to that Several people who just don't get cold sores... any more. My very first generator sale went to one of those people who got cold sores all the time..and..unsolicited amazement. Not only did they heal faster than when anything else was used, not only did timely application prevent emergence...after a while they became a thing of vague memory. Neither of us had any idea how well CS worked for that, reconfirmed over and over again in times hence as others tried it. Ode Ode At 08:33 AM 12/23/2007 -0800, you wrote: Hi there... I've been a member of the list for several years now, but I must admit I don't read many of the posts. I have been brewing CS for many years with my SG7 and I have been offering to my friends mason jars full of my brew as a token of our friendship. The funny thing is people keep on coming back with amazing stories- especially dental related. Anyway, although I have been making this stuff for years, I am not sure what I am making. Can someone fess up and tell me if the small CS makers (SG7) are actually making Colloidal Silver or Ionic Silver?? According to all the small CS device manufacturers, it is colloidal, but you go to the people who are selling proprietary mixtures, they state that the home units only make Ionic. I have never found any information that conclusively states what I am making. Whatever it is it works, but again, I'd like some (financially) disinterested parties to rectify whether it is CS or IS. and possilbly explain the difference. And while you are at it, can you also explain what Mild Silver Protein is and how it is related. Thanks Rick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM
Re: CS'3 nines' equals about 764 ppm in ten minutes.
No exactly current control...more like fire or exploding battery prevention. Uh, that would be a 40 milliamp limit? ...or a little more if 27 volts was being used? I doubt you ever reached that limit at anything short of a sludge making stage as getting water to conduct more than 10 milliamps with electrodes looped over opposite edges of a jar for distance is difficult. Might need more salt. BTW Mark Metcalf was once again selling cheesy generators for a premium under the heading Make you own silver chloride At least they cost less than $150 1980s dollars It looks like few people believe his tripe any more http://www.flowerpowergenerator.com/ [not found ] ode Hi David, The Mark Metcalf BANISHING DISEASE WITH THREE 9-VOLT BATTERIES - PART 1 method did indeed have current control of sorts, which was in the form of a 24volt 40ma grain of wheat lamp bulb in series with one of the electrodes. That basically limited the current to about 10ma according to my logbook of 10 years ago. I would only run that for 2 to 5 minutes. Anything much longer and there was a glass of pretty purple or red and leave it for a while more to get brown or black sludge and silver plated glass. OK, Tony M -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM
Re: CS3 nines' equals about 764 ppm in ten minutes
YOW!!! We offer both the plans for do-it-yourselfers, and the finished generators for those who don't have the time or inclination to construct the ***simple*** apparatus on their own. You will find we offer the lowest prices anywhere. For fully detailed PLANS that allow you to build your own colloidal silver generator from readily-available parts, the cost is only $45 + $4.50 Priority USPS shipping to USA destinations. For a fully-assembled, ready to use, Colloidal Silver Generator Kit, which includes 1 Generator, Batteries, Color-coded Leads, Clips, 2 - 99.99% Pure Silver Electrodes, Electrolyte tablets sufficient to make 10 gallons of Colloidal Silver solution and Instructions, the cost is only $179.95 + $6.50 shipping to USA mainland destinations. Only $187 for a box of batteries, a bit of silver wire and some salt pills. ode At 11:12 AM 12/24/2007 +1030, you wrote: Hello Wayne. Re Stan Jones. I'm not assuming or speculating anything. He said himself that he made it that way. I quote him here... To answer your questions: 1) I use a generator with three nine-volt batteries connected in series (27 volts D.C.); 2) I started taking colloidal silver in Seattle where the tap water is generally free from minerals. I added a few drops of salt water to improve the conductivity. When I moved to Montana 1998, I continued to use tap water but here it is full of minerals. I never had it tested. 3) I made my solution in an eight ounce paper cup, conducting the current for one hour. I then added one half of this solution to two gallons of drinking water that I kept in my refrigerator. I have no idea what the PPM of this solution was. End of quote. You can read more of it on Ode's website http://silverpuppy.com/rant.htmlhttp://silverpuppy.com/rant.html but I cant remember where I read the original interview. But it wasn't the first time I'd read about this method. In fact you can still find remnants of it on the net. Read the details of the generator offered by this clown... http://www.macrobiotic.org/csgenerator1.htmlhttp://www.macrobiotic.org/csgenerator1.html He's including 'electrolyte tablets' in the kit. I'll answer your other questions below. Subject: Re: CS'3 nines' equals about 764 ppm in ten minutes. From: Wayne Fugitt mailto:cwa...@netdoor.comcwa...@netdoor.com Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:34:04 -0600 To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Morning David, At 07:11 AM 12/23/2007, you wrote: I've tried to re-create the 'old method' of making Colloidal Silver with a glass of tap water, a pinch of salt, and 3 x 9v batteries with no current control. I wonder where you found that as the Old Method ? This was the method used by Stan Jones, (and perhaps by the new blue man, Paul Karosan) You are making wild assumptions, speculating, and confusing the ones that might not be confused already. See above re Stan Jones. Re Paul Karosan I said 'perhaps' he made it that way, but if he started 14 years ago theres a good chance I'm not far wrong. And I dont think I'm confusing anyone by clearly explaining what I did. No one with a slight knowledge, or a .1 brain used the method that Stan Jones used. Stan Jones did. Who knows who else did the same. The method must have been quite widely circulated (and bastardised). First, Tap water, the a pinch of salt. A pinch of salt is no unit of measure. Depending on how much work a man has done in his life, the thumb and forefinger will be larger and the pinch will be larger. It doesn't really matter if its a few grains or a pinch of salt in tap water. You still wind up with a very conductive solution. After 60 MINUTES of brewing time I observed the anode. It was visibly VERY reduced. I estimated it had lost half its volume. So in one hour, 1150 milligrams of silver had been dissolved in just 250 mls of water. This equates to 4600 ppm. Only one little question, Just what were you trying to prove ? Isn't it obvious? If you used the 'old method' you create CS thats extremely strong. Much stronger than the users may have realised. So any assumption that this old method makes about 1 ppm per minute is completely wrong by a factor of about 70. It appears to me, you are the only one assuming anything. Again tell me where you got the instructions for The Old method. I've read the 1 minute = 1 ppm rule on numerous occassions - usually taken completely out of context with no understanding of the variables. But 'people' read it and believe it. Regarding 'Where I got the method' I've partially answered that but ask Mike Devour how common he thinks this method might have been. You'll also note that the calculations above are exclusively limited to the milligrams of pure silver that was actually dissolved. I have no idea what that would equate to in ppms of silver chloride. While you may be a
Re: CSA Christmas Card for you all:)
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Re: CSCurrent Measurement, Wheres the Logic ?
Interesting, I had always pronounced it rhyming with palm. Guess that is what happens when you only see it in print, and never in conversation. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balun A balun, pronounced /'bæl.ʊn/ (bal-un), is a passive electronic device that converts between balanced and unbalanced electrical signals. They often also change impedance. Baluns can take many forms and their presence is not always obvious. They always involve some form of electromagnetic coupling. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: What did I do Wrong?
They are generally limited to about 30 mA, and not usually lethal. I speak from one who has gotten bitten a few times. But they sure as hell hurt! Marshall Dan Nave wrote: If you are not familiar with the difference between series and parallel circuits, measuring volts and amps, etc, stay away from that neon sign transformer! Although, it is designed to be current limited, so it *MIGHT* not kill you... Dan Clayton Family wrote: LOL! Last time I dead shorted something was maybe 15 years ago when I was installing a new elec box behind my stove. That was a stupid thing to do too. Then I kept on resetting the circuit breaker until I broke that! I finally called the electrician to come out and tell me where I went wrong (and I don't mean in my childhood). Sometimes my brain just goes on vacation, I have no excuse. I replaced the fuse and my meter works again. That's good- I guess I quit while I was not too far behind, I didn't fry the whole unit. I am glad I asked. The wall wart says it is a class 2 power supply, input 120V AC 60hz 20 w, output 24V DC 500mA. I did not realize there was a difference in those small units used to power all kinds of gadgets around the house. I have not looked at them closely. I thought transformers were more for high voltage applications, like neon signage and such. I do have one of those too, but they scare me. My regular 3 battery setup works fine. I was trying to see where to set the potentiometer to keep the current controlled with an AC to DC power supply. I just looked at my meter, and it says right on it the max for that setting is 400mA. Darn it. If I hook it up to the other lead, it will measure up to 10A, so I guess that is the way to go, then when I get the pot. set, so the current is low, maybe then I can move the lead to the other side. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal Silver Source
wordsjunkie wrote: Hi There Marshall:) Does he have a website perchance? Thank you:) Liz:) I don't think so yet. But he did mention he was planning on getting one done. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCurrent Measurement, Wheres the Logic ?
Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening Marshall, Likely you can write your own formulas. I can write some but I like to have them programmed into my HP 15 C. Very fast and often saves me hundreds of dollars, in a few cases, thousands of dollars. Uggg, I hate reverse Polish. Never could get my thinking in the proper order to use one effectively. But every other engineer I ever knew loved it. MN -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal vs Ionic- mold illness cold sores
On Dec 24, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: I've given much CS to people who have chronic plaque problems...er..make that had plaque problems. Within 2 weeksGONE, without exception. Add to that Several people who just don't get cold sores... any more. My very first generator sale went to one of those people who got cold sores all the time..and..unsolicited amazement. Not only did they heal faster than when anything else was used, not only did timely application prevent emergence...after a while they became a thing of vague memory. Neither of us had any idea how well CS worked for that, reconfirmed over and over again in times hence as others tried it. Ode I was getting cold sores again that would not go away with cs, and I had worked up to maybe 1/2 cup or more a day. Then I found the water leak and consequent mold under the sink. I stopped the cs (down to a tiny amount in the evening), started some other supplements, and began some detoxing. The cold sores have gone away, and stayed away, which indicates I am not being exposed to the mold directly. With mold induced illnesses, the cold sores just do not go away, but you will not get a cold or the flu. Since I have just started to catch a cold, I am one happy camper! That means I am throwing off the mold illness, and that there is probably not more hiding. I hope not. I have again started to up my CS intake. There has been some recent news that my neighborhood has VOC's percolating up through the ground and accumulating in basements. The EPA even came in and tested the 2 schools nearby. That may be an issue with my house and health too. I do have chemical sensitivities which are known to be caused by over exposure to chemicals and can go along with mold illness, so I have been told. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: What did I do Wrong?
Thanks, everybody for the input and advice on this stuff. I plan on reviewing it all after christmas- things are a little busy right now, and I need time to think about it without being interrupted. I really appreciate the help. Merry Christmas! Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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CSThe Old Method, ( 3 Nine's )
We all know that much misinformation exists all over the internet, in books, web pages, documents, and all sorts of publications. Not much finds it's way onto a list like this. However sometimes it does. A few items need addressing. I define misinformation as anything incomplete, using the wrong term, half truths, statements that are not true in all cases, and statements that should have conditional statements attached. If In some cases Not in all cases Possibly, .. and ... a few others. Normally only the feds and world organizations make it a practice to coin trick phrases that sound like the truth when they are not. Many exist but only 3 examples below. Federal Reserve The Fairness Doctrine The Rights of a Child Often we all may make a statement that is close to falling into the same category. First thing to address, .. The Old Method Young and Old Up and Down Fast and Slow Soft and Hard ( and many more ) all can only be defined with Fuzzy Logic. This alone makes the term, The Old Method barely worth discussing. One could try, for a long, long, time and never get an acceptable definition for The Old Method. The old methods for making CS go back much further than Stan Jones or the beginning or the 9 volt battery ( Mid 50's, maybe 1954 or 1955 ) Definitely not the method of Stan Jones. We all defined his method in short order, The fools method. No matter where he got his information, he got the results he disserved. One other phrase that is in the class with the Feds guidelines.. 3 nines' equals about 764 ppm in ten minutes. 3 nines is a hardware item Strange how it equals a result. The 3 nines does nothing without mans hands and mind, a process. It could have been 4 nines, 3 twelves, or any combination. To suggest that 3 Nines are bad, says my 52 volt system is double bad, and 100 VDC is even worse. The process is all that matters. 764 ppm is a result. It may be misleading for several reasons. It was not stated that these number were silver, but is a bit suggestive, and I suspect that many will think the numbers refer to silver. Nothing could be further from the truth. The result was a Witch Doctors Brew, a Devils Brew, a chemical soup of some kind, heaven only knows. Of course these numbers prove most of my statements about ppm. Tap water: 324ppm / 660uS Pinch of salt added: 990ppm / 1950uS After 30 minutes: 1330ppm / 2650uS After 60mins: 1820ppm / 3450uS. Awesome numbers to say the least. Did you read Bean Soup or Chili ? No true ppm meter exists. Even the ones with a ppm graduation have the math done inside to convert from microsiemens to ppm. There is a movement in the instrument industry to standardize EC and ppm and have only one unit. Of course that will be a disaster. Many of my technical growing friends have tried for years to use the EC meter to arrive at ppm. They cannot do it either. The only way is to carefully weigh the nutrients and calculate it. I got so tired of doing this, I wrote a program to do it, then even wrote one I called, Backwards ppm Calculation. That is not joke. It does serve a purpose. Yes, I can calculate it both forward and backwards. Where does that leave us ? Not more confused I trust. One more small thing grin Would you have preferred I called it an Adaptor? ' It says 24v DC on the label. (My meter said was actually 29V DC). Splitting hairs over things like this just confuses people Wayne. What confuses them is not calling a Spade a Spade. Call it what it is. The definition of a transformer is relatively clear cut. The definition of a power supply is also. Of course I know, there are 1000 variations of each. Some transformers are relatively fancy, have internal fuses, multiple winding on both the primary and secondary, allowing for different input voltages and providing a variety of output voltages. Most do not know how tough the Wall Warts really are. I have seen every single bit of the plastic cover melt and disappear. The critters still work. Unbelievable. Almost forgot this.. From an old message by Jason - They don't. It's the process that creates a product ( when making CS with any water that is not pure ) that is the problem. The end result of using salt in production is a product that is filled with silver debris; flakes, particles too large to be held in suspension, etc.; hardly an oligodynamic product. He should have stated, overuse of salt or improper use of salt. I guess few people can do it right,.. either don't know how, are too lazy, unconcerned, or whatever. I think Ian wrote the block below. Back in the old days when it was recommended to add salt to the process of making CS, can anyone who has been on the list for that long remember people suffering adverse effects or were fewer benefits reported from its use? I don't
Re: CSCurrent Measurement, Wheres the Logic ?
I thought it was just that southern drawl... ;-)) Dan Marshall Dudley wrote: Interesting, I had always pronounced it rhyming with palm. Guess that is what happens when you only see it in print, and never in conversation. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balun A balun, pronounced /'bæl.ʊn/ (bal-un), is a passive electronic device that converts between balanced and unbalanced electrical signals. They often also change impedance. Baluns can take many forms and their presence is not always obvious. They always involve some form of electromagnetic coupling. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal vs Ionic- mold illness cold sores
I think you should get one of those sodium chlorite and clay bags called Mildew Odor Controller bags and put one under your sink. They are activated by moisture, and the cupboard should keep the chlorine dioxide contained in that space and kill the mold and oxidize the toxins. Dan Clayton Family wrote: On Dec 24, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: I've given much CS to people who have chronic plaque problems...er..make that had plaque problems. Within 2 weeksGONE, without exception. Add to that Several people who just don't get cold sores... any more. My very first generator sale went to one of those people who got cold sores all the time..and..unsolicited amazement. Not only did they heal faster than when anything else was used, not only did timely application prevent emergence...after a while they became a thing of vague memory. Neither of us had any idea how well CS worked for that, reconfirmed over and over again in times hence as others tried it. Ode I was getting cold sores again that would not go away with cs, and I had worked up to maybe 1/2 cup or more a day. Then I found the water leak and consequent mold under the sink. I stopped the cs (down to a tiny amount in the evening), started some other supplements, and began some detoxing. The cold sores have gone away, and stayed away, which indicates I am not being exposed to the mold directly. With mold induced illnesses, the cold sores just do not go away, but you will not get a cold or the flu. Since I have just started to catch a cold, I am one happy camper! That means I am throwing off the mold illness, and that there is probably not more hiding. I hope not. I have again started to up my CS intake. There has been some recent news that my neighborhood has VOC's percolating up through the ground and accumulating in basements. The EPA even came in and tested the 2 schools nearby. That may be an issue with my house and health too. I do have chemical sensitivities which are known to be caused by over exposure to chemicals and can go along with mold illness, so I have been told. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSelenium Yeast, Epicor, XPC LS
There is a new product out called Epicor which is a selenium yeast product which is supposed to increase immunity. Also is a good source of selenium. See: http://www.naturodoc.com/library/cancer/epicor.htm This is the same product basically as the animal feed product (original results were noticed by workers breathing in dust from this process and having reduced incidence of absenteeism due to illness). One could use the animal feed product at a fraction of the price. I had this idea and I notice that Dr. David Williams is saying the same thing, so that makes it alright... He is recommending 1 to 3 gm of XPC LS for an adult (the LS indicates suitable for use in organic feeding) You should be able to get a feed store to order it in a 50 pound bag or Diamond V indicates: Nutra Blend will carry both products, to order direct call 1-800-657-5657. I notice it is already being sold on Ebay in 5 lb lots: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmkmk932 Product profile (I expect it should be the same as the LS): http://www.diamondv.com/products/profiles/Product_Profile_XPC_6-06.pdf This could be fed to a horse, pets, and conceivably, family. Dan Re: CSRebuttals please Marshall Dudley wrote: marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: The following post came through one of my equine lists. Can anyone here comment on this please? MA I caution anyone using the Colloidal silver for an extended period of time. It depletes the body of selenium. I have personaly used it on my lyme disease gelding, and this was how I found it out. I now do NOT give Especial any CS at all. Colloidal Silver does tend to bind with, and cause to be excreted increased amounts of selenium. That is why it is recommended if taking CS over extended amounts of time, to be sure and supplement with selenium. Not a big deal. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal vs Ionic- mold illness cold sores
Well, the cabinet has been removed, so there is no more mold there, at least that I have been able to find. Does it smell like chlorine? If it does, I wil not be able to tolerate it. I do not do well with bleach. It might work, if it was tolerated. On Dec 24, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Dan Nave wrote: I think you should get one of those sodium chlorite and clay bags called Mildew Odor Controller bags and put one under your sink. They are activated by moisture, and the cupboard should keep the chlorine dioxide contained in that space and kill the mold and oxidize the toxins. Dan Clayton Family wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSThere's always the exception!
I've given much CS to people who have chronic plaque problems...er..make that had plaque problems. Within 2 weeksGONE, without exception. -- Anytime people start claiming something works 'without exxception', I find myself wondering? I love CS; use it all the time. But you better not stop your yearly dentist visits. I did, thinking the CS covered it. When I finally went, due to a broken tooth, I had developed gum disease from plaque. Could have been preventing had I gone in for yearly check ups. CS, as well as EVERYTHING ELSE, has it's limits. Be smart. Merry Christmas to all! Gail Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Colloids: Colloidal Silver Product Reports
I've always admired Frank Key's site because he's been very helpful on this list, particularly in making it quite clear that controlled-current home-brew EIS using distilled water is generally safe and effective.This gentleman has a proprietary product for sale, but has never denigrated the low-cost home-made EIS that many list-members make and use with reported success. There's still quite a lot of controversy about ionic/colloidal merits, and I lack the expertise to form any conclusion, but I know that EIS has proven very effective, with almost incredible results in treating (self-diagnosed) conjunctivitis on several occasions. On Tuesday, Dec 25, 2007, at 05:46 Asia/Tokyo, Bill Amos wrote: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Colloids: Colloidal Silver Product Reports
Hey Bill how are you doing? long time no seedebbie Bill Amos billa...@verizon.net wrote: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
CSMerry Christmas and Happy New Year
*May tomorrow bring you joy and lots of good presents :-) I'm sending these wishes for all of my list friends for a healthy 2008 for themselves and their families and pets. Teri and the Fireside Welsh Springer Spaniels www.welshspringers.com * -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSChristmas Wish
/*Merry Christmas to all and to all a Blessed New Year. */ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
