Re: CSshortcutting of silver wires, what are the effects and consequences?
## That's quite possible for 5 PPM. I'll not try to fathom why you think you have 5 PPM, though I can think of many reasons you wouldn't. The best bad tool we have for this is a conductivity or EC meter. Next worst is a TDS meter. Neither measure PPM, but you can make a pretty close guess if you know the nuances..and a good enough guess if you don't. To actually measure PPM, I can't afford the tool and don't need to. [Spectrophotometer] Actually, I have an old obsolete surplus one that seems like it would work but haven't figured out how to use it..darn..which reminds me. I'm out of Oxygen and Acetylene. ..couldn't make a silver plasma if I wanted to. Ode At 12:33 PM 1/29/2009 -0500, you wrote: Ode, Forgive me for interjecting. I have a silver electrolysis machine that seems to be working well but when I point the laser beam I see no colloidal reflection on the beam. I produce 5 ppm, is it perhaps all ionized? Do you know of any home procedure to test the silver content? Thanks Frank Ode Coyote wrote: With a short circuit, electrons move directly and don't do any electrochemistry. It's not likely to produce anything but heat. Why are your electrodes so close together or so near the bottom? Stir. Ode At 06:16 PM 1/27/2009 +0100, you wrote: hi, Yesterday I was doing some CS and I forgot about it when I started cooking, so time passed and when I remembered it had passed 2 and a half hours and the silver oxide sludge had build a bridge between the cathode and anode. Does this shortcut of wires affect negatively on the particle size in the solution or in any other possible way? I use 15 volts and a 75 ohm resistor so I guess that the current must have raised to around 200mA when the wires got connected. When this happens does the anode continue liberating positively charge silver ions? Thanks Erik No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1921 - Release Date: 1/28/2009 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 1/29/2009 7:13 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 1/29/2009 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1925 - Release Date: 1/30/2009
Re: CSBipolar disorder
http://healingbodyspirit.blogspot.com/2008/08/bipolar-disorder-and-depression-is.html says in part: . I have long believed that candida has a role in depression and Bipolar Disorder and I am not alone. Dr. William Crook, author of The Yeast Connection, and Dr.C .Orian Truss, author of The Missing Diagnosis and other physicians suggest this is the case, although more research needs to be done. According to Dr. Sherry Rogers, author of Depression Cured at Last, says depression always involves a seriously malabsorptive state and gut that needs to be cleaned out. or needs to be fixedas soon as possible.Celiac disease and candida contributes to malabsorption. So research COCONUT OIL Thyroid Function Bipolar Disorder There is currently an investigation on low thyroid and candida relationships connecting bipolar disorder and celiac disease. There is a clear connection between the process of thyroid hormone regulation and bipolar disorder. ... so research MAGNASCENT iodine (www.magnascent.com) Poor intestinal flora can contribute to depression by altering the immune system. ... In depression, there is an increase in inflammatory cytokines . By increasing these cytokines, intestinal bacteria have been shown to induce depression, anxiety and cognition impairment. Unsaturated oils block thyroid hormone secretion, its movement in the circulatory system, and the response of tissues to the hormone. Coconut oil is unique in its ability to prevent weight-gain or cure obesity, by stimulating metabolism. It is quickly metabolized, and functions in some ways as an antioxidant. .. ( I was told the other day that the Omegas have an effect,which is why VCNO helps - but the antiparasitic action is a strong contender too) Here we are - a mention - Omega 3 deficiency contributes to Bipolar Disorder and Depression Omega-3s are a safe, simple, natural treatment for depression, mental health, and enhancing mood without side effects.) ... benefits of fish oil and help readers restore their natural balance of omega-3 fatty acids, which are found in high concentrations in the brain The brain requires more omega-3 and fatty acids than any other system in the body. According to Dr. Stoll, without omega-3s, the brain cannot function normally, so even the most powerful antidepressants will be unable to improve mood. For optimum health, omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids should be eaten in nearly equal proportions... Evening Primrose is another Omega 3 that is particularly helpful for PMS (premenstrual syndrome), irritability, mood swings, and cramps. http://enjoyingyourhealth.com/2008/10/13/essential-oils-are-good-for-bipolar-people/ Dr. Ann Blake Tracy has long taught that essential oils from Young Living are useful for bipolar people (including children) and others affected by mood disorders. ...Helichrysum will chelate heavy metals from your system and will also chelate the results of plastics pollution throughout your body... When you go to Oil Testimonials, you'll want to search the keywords relating to mood swings, bipolar disorder, brain, etc. http://enjoyingyourhealth.com/category/using-therapeutic-grade-essential-oils-to-manage-bipolar/ http://www.revolutionhealth.com/drugs-treatments/rating/aromatherapy-essential-oils-for-bipolar-i-disorder a subgroup of bipolar disorder patients are deficient in arachidonic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid. They have developed three primary biochemical ... www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV8Tb2ONjxU The son of a friend of mine married a girl with bipolar, and she received treatment to her ears, some kind of clips or needles - forget what it is called - someone here may know. Possibly magnetic, acupuncture related. This was a clinic in Queensland. Rowena Not really, but the last I read, there were some intrepid college students finding a link with parasites (toxoplasmosis). They found that antiparasitic drugs helped bipolar people, and the bipolar drugs killed the toxo in the test tubes. There may be other cause for bipolar, too. Kathryn On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote: Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBipolar disorder
After having listened to a bipolar justify his problems for years and years...it became clear that he had diametrically conflicting desires and denied having half of themthe half that he couldn't justify, but obviously still pursued fulfillment of. He was a GENIUS that wanted to be a bum, but his ego wouldn't allow it. I kept telling him that so long as he wasn't burden, being a bum needs no justification..and not being a burden takes very little effort if you are willing to live what you want, the way it is. He COULD move the world couldn't get over the idea that he SHOULD, but didn't want to...so, every time he went down that path and got somewhere, he'd trip himself up and feel guilty about it, then blame someone or something else for falling. Feeling guilty is depressing and blame does nothing. He became addicted to the depression chemicals he justified into being and sought the alcohol analog to keep himself there, believing he *should be* stable...one way or the other...falling victim to his own absolutism. He went to the-rapist a lot, but chose the back end of the mind f*ck...pills. Mental imbalance causes chemical imbalance. Just owning your own see saw without judgement... helps a bunch. No one is not conflicted. A Bipolar believes he shouldn't be, splits himself in two and goes for both absolutes in turns. In that guys case, his heart eventually exploded. Anti whatever drugs can serve as a book mark this page grounding point to remind you what *good* feels like. Beyond that, they just enable denial and delay. Lookie. Humans are CRAZY. It's OK to be one and be uncertain who you are and what you want. That's called normal My friend thought he had to be sane, that someone else got to define what that was. and he didn't like that definition. I was headed that way, but chose unreasonable happiness as a means to see the humor in conflict. By brain chemistry followed right along as I did completely pointless things to prove to me that I didn't need to make sense to myself. Specifically..Having not eaten or slept in 3 days and having no desire to stay alive, couldn't find any reasons anywhereCRAWLED to the mail box to check the mail on Sunday, 4 times. It's a pretty long muddy driveway and such a ridiculous thing to do, that I just HAD to laugh. [Still laughing 12 years later ] Book mark that page What ...me SERIOUS? go bang your head on a wall till you can't stop laughing at how dumb you are. Better yet, go bash your brains out on a big fluffy pillow and don't stop till you do. Let me guess: This Bipolar person is VERY intelligent. Well I AM smart enough to be EXACTLY that stupid. ..NOT qualified to know what I want...half manic will do. Wing it and see what happens. Since ANYTHING can be justified, complete opposites CAN be, equally reasonable. It doesn't matter which you choose to enhance with illogic, both directions operate the same way. ..and you don't have to BE there, to travel. Ya never know where you're going, anyhow. All ya ever got is the way you walk.. What you can't freekin know, doesn't freekin matter. This sucks...means... I believe I know where I am. Isn't what you REALLY want, what you DON'T know? Then not knowing where you're going, is the way there. .so stick one foot in your pocket and get going. The dumber it looks, the better it'll work to walk away from your previous smart. THIS Ode At 08:45 PM 1/29/2009 +0100, you wrote: the only thing I can think of is therapy in order for her to learn how to live with her disorder more easily and I think a good idea would be for your friend to inform himself what to expect from this disorder and also how to live with it maybe with a therapist as well. I would strongly recommend Gestalt therapy, I think it is a very realistic and earth bound therapy... Erik 2009/1/29 Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.commdud...@king-cart.com Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com -- Erik No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 1/29/2009 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1925 - Release Date: 1/30/2009
CSReams Lemon Water
Marshalee wrote: Whoa! Tell me quick, what is the lemon thing?? Here's how we did it... First you need a citrus juicer. We have manual juicers to take with us when we travel but at home we use an electric Proctor Silex, the best one for the money that I've found. Check thrift stores, we got two for $5 each. Needed some cleaning but I'm not lazy. All lemons seem to work, big or small, bitter or sweet but the larger sweeter ones sure are more pleasant. Always do this on an empty stomach. Don't eat or drink anything for at least 15 minutes afterward. I started with a half lemon first thing of a morning, cut the lemon and wrapped the other half tightly in plastic wrap and a rubber band around the cut edge, put it back in the fridge. Then I added about 8 ounces of water. ALWAYS unchlorinated water! After about 2 weeks I started doing the other half of the lemon in the afternoon. From there I worked my way up to 2 whole lemons a day, 16 ounces of water with each one. My wife never went above a whole lemon in the morning and we both now do fine with a whole lemon between us in the morning, 5-6 days a week. Daddybob No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1924 - Release Date: 01/29/09 17:57:00
Re: CSMagnetic Stirrer RPM
Any speed that reduces sparklies and grey beard build up on the pressure side of the water currents on round electrodes, or eddy side where pressure turns a corner on flat ones. 10-40 RPM works well. 100 might. Ode At 04:04 PM 1/29/2009 -0600, you wrote: What is a good RPM rate or range for a CS magnetic stirrer? - Steve N No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 1/29/2009 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1925 - Release Date: 1/30/2009 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnetic Stirrer RPM
Ode, The size of the stirrer in comparison with the surface of the vessel, influences the amount of mass stirred and the turnover. When defining magnetic stirrer's speeds, one should also include the the size of the stirrer. for instance a 1/2 magnet creates little turnover at 100 rpm. The same rpm with a 2 stirrer may spill the liquid. Best regards Frank Ode Coyote wrote: Any speed that reduces sparklies and grey beard build up on the pressure side of the water currents on round electrodes, or eddy side where pressure turns a corner on flat ones. 10-40 RPM works well. 100 might. Ode At 04:04 PM 1/29/2009 -0600, you wrote: What is a good RPM rate or range for a CS magnetic stirrer? - Steve N No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 1/29/2009 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: RE: CSCS and Mexican free clinic
No one ever answered. Does anyone know if there is any aluminum in the mesh screen Gladys - Original Message - From: Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:24 am Subject: RE: CSCS and Mexican free clinic To: silver-list@eskimo.com They must have changed brands, they show an Omron but when you click on it an Edge brand comes Up. You could call, I have had mine for years, only thing I have done is replaced med cup when I broke it (my fault) I keep a spare now. Bob -Original Message- From: Nils-Erik Stromback [mailto:n.stromb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:42 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS and Mexican free clinic Hi Bob, the link you gave goes to another brand of nebulizer EDGE Portable Nebulizer The World's Smallest Handheld Nebulizer Compressor By your latest message I understand that this is not the one you have, you have OMRON, is that right? Erik 2009/1/27 Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC Try http://www.portablenebs.com/omronelite.htm By OMRON I have one and love it I did not buy the battery pack but did buy the 12 volt adapter for car At $55 I have one and Wife has one. Bob -Original Message- From: Nils-Erik Stromback [mailto:n.stromb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:05 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS and Mexican free clinic I have checked out nebulizers on internet and I found one that I especially liked: Omron NE-U22 MICROAIR NEBULIZER I like it but then I read about its mesh cap, where I suppose that the CS would go, it said that its material is Metal alloy mash and I dont know if that means that it is, is that metal? If it is metal and during operation of the Nebulizer the CS comes in contact with it, what happens? Does the CS loose its properties, the silver ionz their charge, I dont know, and if someone out there does please help me clear this doubt. Thanks Erik Mesh Cap 2009/1/27 Marshall Dudley Nils-Erik Stromback wrote: Hi Marshall, Do you think it is a good idea to add H2O2 to the CS before inhaling it even that way the body doesnt have to produce the H2O2 in the lungs? Thanks, If I added any, it would be a VERY small amount. But if you add a couple of drops to a glassful and let it sit a while, it will reduce the particle size significantly making it more potent. Marshall Erik 2009/1/27 Marshall Dudley cart.com Pat wrote: The Mexican Free Clinic article said: *WARNING: DO NOT USE THE NEBULIZER TO ADMINISTER LOW QUALITY - LOW BIO-AVAILABILITY COLLOIDAL SILVER!* *REASON: If the particle size is too large to 'penetrate' into the tissues, whatever is NOT absorbed remains on the surface, eventually causing build-ups and accumulation. Use the Nebulizer ONLY to administer a very highly bio-available CS - 80% and up!* * Remember, most LVDC CS is only 10-30% bio-available!* Is this true or is this just because they're trying to sell their own CS? Pat - --- ** It is not true. First high quality LVDC is over 90% bio-available, all the ionic part is, plus most of the colloidal part. The body has a fantastic method of getting rid of oversized silver particles which are capable of breaking down silver DUST. The lungs will generate H2O2, which turns the silver into a combination of 2 atom particles and silver oxide/hydroxide, all of which are then easily absorbed, and removed by the kidneys or liver. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- Erik -- Erik -- Erik -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CSMagnetic Stirrer RPM
You are absolutely correct in what you say about stirrer size. I was aware of the issue but others may not be. I am just considering some DC gearhead motors at All Electronics surplus and wanted to get one that was in the ballpark range, cheaper than a fish tank filter motor and better suited than the muffin fan commonly used. I will adjust stirrer size and final motor speed as needed. Thanks for the reminder though. Steve N -Original Message- From: frankcuns-r...@comcast.net [mailto:frankcuns-r...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:03 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMagnetic Stirrer RPM Ode, The size of the stirrer in comparison with the surface of the vessel, influences the amount of mass stirred and the turnover. When defining magnetic stirrer's speeds, one should also include the the size of the stirrer. for instance a 1/2 magnet creates little turnover at 100 rpm. The same rpm with a 2 stirrer may spill the liquid. Best regards Frank Ode Coyote wrote: Any speed that reduces sparklies and grey beard build up on the pressure side of the water currents on round electrodes, or eddy side where pressure turns a corner on flat ones. 10-40 RPM works well. 100 might. Ode At 04:04 PM 1/29/2009 -0600, you wrote: What is a good RPM rate or range for a CS magnetic stirrer? - Steve N No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 1/29/2009 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMagnetic Stirrer RPM
Thanks, Ode. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:20 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMagnetic Stirrer RPM Any speed that reduces sparklies and grey beard build up on the pressure side of the water currents on round electrodes, or eddy side where pressure turns a corner on flat ones. 10-40 RPM works well. 100 might. Ode At 04:04 PM 1/29/2009 -0600, you wrote: What is a good RPM rate or range for a CS magnetic stirrer? - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnetic Stirrer RPM
If you have an old record player or turntable, you can put the jar on it, and hang the electrodes down from above. Set to 33 1/3 or 16 rpm if you can. Marshall Norton, Steve wrote: You are absolutely correct in what you say about stirrer size. I was aware of the issue but others may not be. I am just considering some DC gearhead motors at All Electronics surplus and wanted to get one that was in the ballpark range, cheaper than a fish tank filter motor and better suited than the muffin fan commonly used. I will adjust stirrer size and final motor speed as needed. Thanks for the reminder though. Steve N -Original Message- From: frankcuns-r...@comcast.net [mailto:frankcuns-r...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:03 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMagnetic Stirrer RPM Ode, The size of the stirrer in comparison with the surface of the vessel, influences the amount of mass stirred and the turnover. When defining magnetic stirrer's speeds, one should also include the the size of the stirrer. for instance a 1/2 magnet creates little turnover at 100 rpm. The same rpm with a 2 stirrer may spill the liquid. Best regards Frank Ode Coyote wrote: Any speed that reduces sparklies and grey beard build up on the pressure side of the water currents on round electrodes, or eddy side where pressure turns a corner on flat ones. 10-40 RPM works well. 100 might. Ode At 04:04 PM 1/29/2009 -0600, you wrote: What is a good RPM rate or range for a CS magnetic stirrer? - Steve N No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 1/29/2009 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBipolar disorder
Yes, when I saw that request for advice about dating a bi-polar my first instict was to post back, RUN!, having had an experience similar to yours. But then I thought it might be instructive to see what others had to say first. Personally, I'd still stick with RUN!, but no-one ever heeds *that* advice, IME. Cheers, indi On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:23:20AM -0500, Ode Coyote wrote: After having listened to a bipolar justify his problems for years and years...it became clear that he had diametrically conflicting desires and denied having half of themthe half that he couldn't justify, but obviously still pursued fulfillment of. He was a GENIUS that wanted to be a bum, but his ego wouldn't allow it. I kept telling him that so long as he wasn't burden, being a bum needs no justification..and not being a burden takes very little effort if you are willing to live what you want, the way it is. He COULD move the world couldn't get over the idea that he SHOULD, but didn't want to...so, every time he went down that path and got somewhere, he'd trip himself up and feel guilty about it, then blame someone or something else for falling. Feeling guilty is depressing and blame does nothing. He became addicted to the depression chemicals he justified into being and sought the alcohol analog to keep himself there, believing he *should be* stable...one way or the other...falling victim to his own absolutism. He went to the-rapist a lot, but chose the back end of the mind f*ck...pills. Mental imbalance causes chemical imbalance. Just owning your own see saw without judgement... helps a bunch. No one is not conflicted. A Bipolar believes he shouldn't be, splits himself in two and goes for both absolutes in turns. In that guys case, his heart eventually exploded. Anti whatever drugs can serve as a book mark this page grounding point to remind you what *good* feels like. Beyond that, they just enable denial and delay. Lookie. Humans are CRAZY. It's OK to be one and be uncertain who you are and what you want. That's called normal My friend thought he had to be sane, that someone else got to define what that was. and he didn't like that definition. I was headed that way, but chose unreasonable happiness as a means to see the humor in conflict. By brain chemistry followed right along as I did completely pointless things to prove to me that I didn't need to make sense to myself. Specifically..Having not eaten or slept in 3 days and having no desire to stay alive, couldn't find any reasons anywhereCRAWLED to the mail box to check the mail on Sunday, 4 times. It's a pretty long muddy driveway and such a ridiculous thing to do, that I just HAD to laugh. [Still laughing 12 years later ] Book mark that page What ...me SERIOUS? go bang your head on a wall till you can't stop laughing at how dumb you are. Better yet, go bash your brains out on a big fluffy pillow and don't stop till you do. Let me guess: This Bipolar person is VERY intelligent. Well I AM smart enough to be EXACTLY that stupid. ..NOT qualified to know what I want...half manic will do. Wing it and see what happens. Since ANYTHING can be justified, complete opposites CAN be, equally reasonable. It doesn't matter which you choose to enhance with illogic, both directions operate the same way. ..and you don't have to BE there, to travel. Ya never know where you're going, anyhow. All ya ever got is the way you walk.. What you can't freekin know, doesn't freekin matter. This sucks...means... I believe I know where I am. Isn't what you REALLY want, what you DON'T know? Then not knowing where you're going, is the way there. .so stick one foot in your pocket and get going. The dumber it looks, the better it'll work to walk away from your previous smart. THIS Ode At 08:45 PM 1/29/2009 +0100, you wrote: the only thing I can think of is therapy in order for her to learn how to live with her disorder more easily and I think a good idea would be for your friend to inform himself what to expect from this disorder and also how to live with it maybe with a therapist as well. I would strongly recommend Gestalt therapy, I think it is a very realistic and earth bound therapy... Erik 2009/1/29 Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.commdud...@king-cart.com Someone I know has started dating a girl with bipolar disorder. Does anyone know of anything natural or holistic that might help or cure? Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and
Re: CSBipolar disorder
I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in. My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. We all know he has it, the doctor's diagnosed him as bi-polar, but of course no one was telling him the truth and he wouldn't listen to anyone. He was fine and we were all wrong. He is extremely manipulative, even to the point of calling everyone and saying he is ready to commit suicide so that he can again get his way. Everyone else is wrong and he is not. I told him he could stay with us if he took the medicine prescribed. He was wonderful with the drugs in his system, but he stopped within a week because he didn't like the way he felt. He used every excuse to stop taking the pills. We tried another but again he didn't like the results. Finally he just wouldn't take them anymore. He can look you straight in the eye and tell you something, which we all know is an absolute lie, but he believes only himself. I know it is a foul-up in brain chemistry, but he has to help himself which he is neither able or willing to do. My daughter told us horror stories, but only having him live with us did we see firsthand about this disease. She hung in there for 5+ years, but finally gave up the good fight, and this was the only way to save herself from years of misery, and even death. She now has a PFA against him. This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. What a terrible way to have to live. He may be an extreme case, so I can't say if there is a bi-polar person that isn't like this. But I have to agree with Indi - RUN, DON'T WALK. We tried to help him, so we have no remorse. Bernadette - Original Message - From: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder Yes, when I saw that request for advice about dating a bi-polar my first instict was to post back, RUN!, having had an experience similar to yours. But then I thought it might be instructive to see what others had to say first. Personally, I'd still stick with RUN!, but no-one ever heeds *that* advice, IME. Cheers, indi On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:23:20AM -0500, Ode Coyote wrote: After having listened to a bipolar justify his problems for years and years...it became clear that he had diametrically conflicting desires and denied having half of themthe half that he couldn't justify, but obviously still pursued fulfillment of. He was a GENIUS that wanted to be a bum, but his ego wouldn't allow it. I kept telling him that so long as he wasn't burden, being a bum needs no justification..and not being a burden takes very little effort if you are willing to live what you want, the way it is. He COULD move the world couldn't get over the idea that he SHOULD, but didn't want to...so, every time he went down that path and got somewhere, he'd trip himself up and feel guilty about it, then blame someone or something else for falling. Feeling guilty is depressing and blame does nothing. He became addicted to the depression chemicals he justified into being and sought the alcohol analog to keep himself there, believing he *should be* stable...one way or the other...falling victim to his own absolutism. He went to the-rapist a lot, but chose the back end of the mind f*ck...pills. Mental imbalance causes chemical imbalance. Just owning your own see saw without judgement... helps a bunch. No one is not conflicted. A Bipolar believes he shouldn't be, splits himself in two and goes for both absolutes in turns. In that guys case, his heart eventually exploded. Anti whatever drugs can serve as a book mark this page grounding point to remind you what *good* feels like. Beyond that, they just enable denial and delay. Lookie. Humans are CRAZY. It's OK to be one and be uncertain who you are and what you want. That's called normal My friend thought he had to be sane, that someone else got to define what that was. and he didn't like that definition. I was headed that way, but chose unreasonable happiness as a means to see the humor in conflict. By brain chemistry followed right along as I did completely pointless things to prove to me that I didn't need to make sense to myself. Specifically..Having not eaten or slept in 3 days and having no desire to stay alive, couldn't find any reasons anywhereCRAWLED to the mail box to check the mail on Sunday, 4 times. It's a pretty long muddy driveway and such a ridiculous thing to do, that I just HAD to laugh. [Still laughing 12 years later ] Book mark that page What ...me SERIOUS? go bang your head on a wall till you can't stop laughing at how dumb you are. Better yet, go bash your brains out on a big fluffy pillow and don't stop till you do. Let me guess: This Bipolar person is
Re: CSMagnetic Stirrer RPM
Hi Steve, I've had good luck with ~30 to 40 rpm in a pint wide-mouth jar. The length of the stir-bar can make a difference too; I go for ~ three fourths of an inch, maybe up to 1-1/2. I get magnets from: http://wondermagnet.com/ [a great site with all kinds of neat homebrew stuff info] and use the skinny 1/16 X 1/2 NdBFe pushed inside polyethylene tube, and seal the ends. YMMV of course. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 16:04 -0600, Norton, Steve wrote: What is a good RPM rate or range for a CS magnetic stirrer? - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMagnetic Stirrer RPM
Thanks for the info Malcolm. And that is an interesting site. I hadn't seen it before and will have to browse it a bit. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:26 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMagnetic Stirrer RPM Hi Steve, I've had good luck with ~30 to 40 rpm in a pint wide-mouth jar. The length of the stir-bar can make a difference too; I go for ~ three fourths of an inch, maybe up to 1-1/2. I get magnets from: http://wondermagnet.com/ [a great site with all kinds of neat homebrew stuff info] and use the skinny 1/16 X 1/2 NdBFe pushed inside polyethylene tube, and seal the ends. YMMV of course. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 16:04 -0600, Norton, Steve wrote: What is a good RPM rate or range for a CS magnetic stirrer? - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFreon poisoning, possibly leaking refrigerant
Has anyone had personal experience with this? What would be the natural remedy? I realize that it is partly fluoride and chloride gases, so it would have effects on the thyroid also. I've found the symptoms of the poisoning and they match up with some of the symptoms my friend has. Thanks much, Sharlene
Re: CSFreon poisoning, possibly leaking refrigerant
Hi Sharlene, No experience but if it is fluoride and chloride then high dosage Iodoral or Lugol's would be appropriate. Check out the Iodine group, at yahoogroups.com, hosted bye Stephanie Buist (sp?), it is focused on the thyroid and high dose Iodoral treatment as a means of detoxifying the body of the halogens (bromine, fluorine, chlorine and iodine). It will probably get worse as the detoxing occurs. Kind regards, Craig Sharlene Miyamura wrote: Has anyone had personal experience with this? What would be the natural remedy? I realize that it is partly fluoride and chloride gases, so it would have effects on the thyroid also. I've found the symptoms of the poisoning and they match up with some of the symptoms my friend has. Thanks much, Sharlene -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFreon poisoning, possibly leaking refrigerant
Sharlene I do not know what you mean by Freon poisoning. Do you mean you inhaled some? Freon is an extremely stable compound NOT chlorine and fluoride gases. It will not break easily into its components. The body will eventually release the Freon gas as it does not react with any body tissue. It will cause inflammation and irritation in the pulmonary track but it should be temporary. Of course if the exposure is long enough to displace air from the lungs (they are heavier than air) and prevent further perfusion, the person will suffer all those problems related to lack of oxygen and even death.This is what I know after having worked with Freons for 20 years. What symptoms are you observing? Good luck Frank Sharlene Miyamura wrote: Has anyone had personal experience with this? What would be the natural remedy? I realize that it is partly fluoride and chloride gases, so it would have effects on the thyroid also. I've found the symptoms of the poisoning and they match up with some of the symptoms my friend has. Thanks much, Sharlene -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBipolar disorder
My beautiful, super intelligent sister was diagnosed with this after two cosmetic nose surgeries. All her life she had been high strung, but not sick. She had trouble healing from the surgery and then became paranoid. Her wonderful husband had no idea she got involved with an obese security man. The man claimed he would take care of her and get her cured so she left her 20 yr marriage. Eventually the security man couldn't take her abuse. Now she is in court for damaging his property. She gets extremely angry, talks nonstop, argues, leaves 20 phone messages a day. Cymbalta made her dizzy so she was falling in the morning. Loxapene - anti psychotic - makes her anxious. So she goes off meds or self medicates w/valium or ativan. She doesn't realize how bad she's doing until she's arrested. She's been in and out of hospitals and tried to commit suicide. Everyone else is wrong. I don't know what's going to happen, and I can barely take it. Jess -Original Message- From: Bernadette [mailto:bernade...@pa.net] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in. My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. We all know he has it, the doctor's diagnosed him as bi-polar, but of course no one was telling him the truth and he wouldn't listen to anyone. He was fine and we were all wrong. He is extremely manipulative, even to the point of calling everyone and saying he is ready to commit suicide so that he can again get his way. Everyone else is wrong and he is not. I told him he could stay with us if he took the medicine prescribed. He was wonderful with the drugs in his system, but he stopped within a week because he didn't like the way he felt. He used every excuse to stop taking the pills. We tried another but again he didn't like the results. Finally he just wouldn't take them anymore. He can look you straight in the eye and tell you something, which we all know is an absolute lie, but he believes only himself. I know it is a foul-up in brain chemistry, but he has to help himself which he is neither able or willing to do. My daughter told us horror stories, but only having him live with us did we see firsthand about this disease. She hung in there for 5+ years, but finally gave up the good fight, and this was the only way to save herself from years of misery, and even death. She now has a PFA against him. This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. What a terrible way to have to live. He may be an extreme case, so I can't say if there is a bi-polar person that isn't like this. But I have to agree with Indi - RUN, DON'T WALK. We tried to help him, so we have no remorse. Bernadette - Original Message - From: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder Yes, when I saw that request for advice about dating a bi-polar my first instict was to post back, RUN!, having had an experience similar to yours. But then I thought it might be instructive to see what others had to say first. Personally, I'd still stick with RUN!, but no-one ever heeds *that* advice, IME. Cheers, indi On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:23:20AM -0500, Ode Coyote wrote: After having listened to a bipolar justify his problems for years and years...it became clear that he had diametrically conflicting desires and denied having half of themthe half that he couldn't justify, but obviously still pursued fulfillment of. He was a GENIUS that wanted to be a bum, but his ego wouldn't allow it. I kept telling him that so long as he wasn't burden, being a bum needs no justification..and not being a burden takes very little effort if you are willing to live what you want, the way it is. He COULD move the world couldn't get over the idea that he SHOULD, but didn't want to...so, every time he went down that path and got somewhere, he'd trip himself up and feel guilty about it, then blame someone or something else for falling. Feeling guilty is depressing and blame does nothing. He became addicted to the depression chemicals he justified into being and sought the alcohol analog to keep himself there, believing he *should be* stable...one way or the other...falling victim to his own absolutism. He went to the-rapist a lot, but chose the back end of the mind f*ck...pills. Mental imbalance causes chemical imbalance. Just owning your own see saw without judgement... helps a bunch. No one is not conflicted. A Bipolar believes he shouldn't be, splits himself in two and goes for both absolutes in turns. In that guys case, his heart eventually exploded. Anti whatever drugs can serve as a book mark this page grounding point to
RE: CSBipolar disorder
I have been reading with much interest the threads about bi-polar. My husband has wanted me to find more information out about the condition. My husbands father was bi-polar. At one point he was trying to sell the family home out from under everyone. He was going to take the money and run. They finally were able to get him treatment but if he went off it he went back to his paranoid exsitence. He would call us in Florida and would only talk to my husband. When he was on medication he was much more normal. He lived to be 95, married to my mother-in-law until she died at 83. To me she was a saint to go thru what she did for years. We also have a good friend who was married to a bi-polar. They bought a large thoroughbred farm in New York. She appeared normal but wasn't. We would go visit and one day she would be warm and cordial and the next wouldn't speak to anyone. He came back to Florida to visit with his sons from previous marriage and when he called to make arranagement for her to pick him up at the airport she told him not to bother coming home. She moved the farm manager into the house to replace him. She was off her meds. He lost millions. Knowing someone has this problem up front and considering a relationship is playing with fire. RUN. Dianne From: bernade...@pa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:47:21 -0500 I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in. My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. We all know he has it, the doctor's diagnosed him as bi-polar, but of course no one was telling him the truth and he wouldn't listen to anyone. He was fine and we were all wrong. He is extremely manipulative, even to the point of calling everyone and saying he is ready to commit suicide so that he can again get his way. Everyone else is wrong and he is not. I told him he could stay with us if he took the medicine prescribed. He was wonderful with the drugs in his system, but he stopped within a week because he didn't like the way he felt. He used every excuse to stop taking the pills. We tried another but again he didn't like the results. Finally he just wouldn't take them anymore. He can look you straight in the eye and tell you something, which we all know is an absolute lie, but he believes only himself. I know it is a foul-up in brain chemistry, but he has to help himself which he is neither able or willing to do. My daughter told us horror stories, but only having him live with us did we see firsthand about this disease. She hung in there for 5+ years, but finally gave up the good fight, and this was the only way to save herself from years of misery, and even death. She now has a PFA against him. This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. What a terrible way to have to live. He may be an extreme case, so I can't say if there is a bi-polar person that isn't like this. But I have to agree with Indi - RUN, DON'T WALK. We tried to help him, so we have no remorse. Bernadette
CSSuper Silver
Has anyone heard of Super Silver if so I would like more information about it. I have heard that it has much smaller nano particle of silver that is easier to absorb into the body. Other than that, that's all I know about it. Thank Barb
Re: CSBipolar disorder
This might be a bit beyond most but read Dianetics and you will understand this better and actually be able to handle it yourself in many of the cases. Dr. Jesse Jutkowitzwww.ADVBIOSTRUCTURALCORR.com Institute for Advanced BioStructural Correction™ 340 Fairmount Terrace, Fairfield, CT 06825 203.366.2746 www.advbiostructuralcorr.com Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead Advanced BioStructural Correction™ - we are changing the face of healthcare in the world for the better. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.comwrote: I have been reading with much interest the threads about bi-polar. My husband has wanted me to find more information out about the condition. My husbands father was bi-polar. At one point he was trying to sell the family home out from under everyone. He was going to take the money and run. They finally were able to get him treatment but if he went off it he went back to his paranoid exsitence. He would call us in Florida and would only talk to my husband. When he was on medication he was much more normal. He lived to be 95, married to my mother-in-law until she died at 83. To me she was a saint to go thru what she did for years. We also have a good friend who was married to a bi-polar. They bought a large thoroughbred farm in New York. She appeared normal but wasn't. We would go visit and one day she would be warm and cordial and the next wouldn't speak to anyone. He came back to Florida to visit with his sons from previous marriage and when he called to make arranagement for her to pick him up at the airport she told him not to bother coming home. She moved the farm manager into the house to replace him. She was off her meds. He lost millions. Knowing someone has this problem up front and considering a relationship is playing with fire. *RUN*. Dianne From: bernade...@pa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:47:21 -0500 I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in. My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. We all know he has it, the doctor's diagnosed him as bi-polar, but of course no one was telling him the truth and he wouldn't listen to anyone. He was fine and we were all wrong. He is extremely manipulative, even to the point of calling everyone and saying he is ready to commit suicide so that he can again get his way. Everyone else is wrong and he is not. I told him he could stay with us if he took the medicine prescribed. He was wonderful with the drugs in his system, but he stopped within a week because he didn't like the way he felt. He used every excuse to stop taking the pills. We tried another but again he didn't like the results. Finally he just wouldn't take them anymore. He can look you straight in the eye and tell you something, which we all know is an absolute lie, but he believes only himself. I know it is a foul-up in brain chemistry, but he has to help himself which he is neither able or willing to do. My daughter told us horror stories, but only having him live with us did we see firsthand about this disease. She hung in there for 5+ years, but finally gave up the good fight, and this was the only way to save herself from years of misery, and even death. She now has a PFA against him. This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. What a terrible way to have to live. He may be an extreme case, so I can't say if there is a bi-polar person that isn't like this. But I have to agree with Indi - RUN, DON'T WALK. We tried to help him, so we have no remorse. Bernadette
Re: CSBipolar disorder
Dianne wrote: Knowing someone has this problem up front and considering a relationship is playing with fire. RUN. Bernadette adds: I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in. My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. Indi chimes in: RUN, DON'T WALK. There's a big difference between finding yourself already in a relationship of some kind (parent? sibling? child?) with someone with this diagnosis, and taking it on VOLUNTARILY. It is a really tough thing to live with. Although my BIL has been relatively stable since 2002, when he was diagnosed, we are still very concerned about some of his actions. My SIL was also diagnosed in 2002, having gone from a soaring high-profile life with a money's-no-object spouse to bankruptcy in a matter of months. She has had two more relapses, and I'm guessing that's why she can't find a job these days (employment law notwithstanding). We want nothing but the best for our family members, but if I found myself in a new relationship with one of these folks? I'd be heading for the hills as fast as my feet would take me. You just never know how the disease will manifest itself. Drug addiction? Sex addiction? Spending sprees? Stupid decisions? Linda The Truly Educated Never Graduate
Re: CSBipolar disorder
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 07:37:27PM -0800, Linda Ellis wrote: We want nothing but the best for our family members, but if I found myself in a new relationship with one of these folks? I'd be heading for the hills as fast as my feet would take me. You just never know how the disease will manifest itself. Drug addiction? Sex addiction? Spending sprees? Stupid decisions? Don't forget extreme paranoia, delusions of grandeur, violence, and stalking behavior. It's *way* easier to get involved than to get uninvolved with them, believe me. indi -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBipolar disorder
There are highly functional and solid bipolars out there when properly medicated. It seems to me it is also the responsibility of the family to know the ends of the string, so to speak to do the proper thing and not get emeshed in bad behavior or symptoms. It is also clear that you have to make a commitment and follow through on some things. Some people sucede. It's just that simple. That's not to put down any horror stories. I've seen these too. But from the outside it always comes back to choice and personal responsibility. Responsibility is the ability to respond. =z= The novelist, journalist and psychologist Michael Zangari http://zangarijournalism.com --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Linda Ellis lellis4...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Linda Ellis lellis4...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 10:37 PM Dianne wrote: Knowing someone has this problem up front and considering a relationship is playing with fire. RUN. Bernadette adds: I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in. My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs recreational drugs to pull himself back up. Indi chimes in: RUN, DON'T WALK. There's a big difference between finding yourself already in a relationship of some kind (parent? sibling? child?) with someone with this diagnosis, and taking it on VOLUNTARILY. It is a really tough thing to live with. Although my BIL has been relatively stable since 2002, when he was diagnosed, we are still very concerned about some of his actions. My SIL was also diagnosed in 2002, having gone from a soaring high-profile life with a money's-no-object spouse to bankruptcy in a matter of months. She has had two more relapses, and I'm guessing that's why she can't find a job these days (employment law notwithstanding). We want nothing but the best for our family members, but if I found myself in a new relationship with one of these folks? I'd be heading for the hills as fast as my feet would take me. You just never know how the disease will manifest itself. Drug addiction? Sex addiction? Spending sprees? Stupid decisions? Linda The Truly Educated Never Graduate
RE: CSBipolar disorder
Learning the disease also helps. You can watch cycles and medicate at the right
time to prevent disaster. In twenty year or so of doing professional therapy I
have known more sucessful bi-polar people than not. I have seen some real
tragedy too.
=z=
The novelist, journalist and psychologist
Michael Zangari
http://zangarijournalism.com
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I have been reading with much interest the threads about bi-polar.
My husband has wanted me to find more information out about the
condition.
My husbands father was bi-polar. At one point he was trying to
sell the family home out from under everyone. He was going to
take the money and run. They finally were able to get him
treatment but if he went off it he went back to his paranoid
exsitence. He would call us in Florida and would only talk
to my husband. When he was on medication he was much
more normal. He lived to be 95, married to my mother-in-law
until she died at 83. To me she was a saint to go thru what
she did for years.
We also have a good friend who was married to a bi-polar.
They bought a large thoroughbred farm in New York. She
appeared normal but wasn't. We would go visit and one
day she would be warm and cordial and the next wouldn't
speak to anyone. He came back to Florida to visit with his
sons from previous marriage and when he called to make
arranagement for her to pick him up at the airport she
told him not to bother coming home. She moved the farm
manager into the house to replace him. She was off her
meds. He lost millions.
Knowing someone has this problem up front and considering
a relationship is playing with fire. RUN.
Dianne
From: bernade...@pa.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSBipolar disorder
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:47:21 -0500
I have to agree with Indi. Been reading and waiting, but now will step in.
My EX-SIL, is bi-polar. What a terrible disease. We all know he has it,
the doctor's diagnosed him as bi-polar, but of course no one was telling him
the truth and he wouldn't listen to anyone. He was fine and we were all
wrong.
He is extremely manipulative, even to the point of calling everyone and
saying he is ready to commit suicide so that he can again get his way.
Everyone else is wrong and he is not. I told him he could stay with us if
he took the medicine prescribed. He was wonderful with the drugs in his
system, but he stopped within a week because he didn't like the way he felt.
He used every excuse to stop taking the pills. We tried another but again
he didn't like the results. Finally he just wouldn't take them anymore.
He can look you straight in the eye and tell you something, which we all
know is an absolute lie, but he believes only himself. I know it is a
foul-up in brain chemistry, but he has to help himself which he is neither
able or willing to do. My daughter told us horror stories, but only having
him live with us did we see firsthand about this disease. She hung in there
for 5+ years, but finally gave up the good fight, and this was the only way
to save herself from years of misery, and even death. She now has a PFA
against him.
This bipolar person struggles. He is either flying so high and moving so
quickly that it is impossible to calm him down or he is so low that he needs
recreational drugs to pull himself back up. What a terrible way to have to
live. He may be an extreme case, so I can't say if there is a bi-polar
person that isn't like this.
But I have to agree with Indi - RUN, DON'T WALK. We tried to help him, so
we have no remorse.
Bernadette
