date:20100209




 If anyone is doing anything for some "movement" it's the people that 
don't sell anything at all.

.just try and stop it.
You think Barwick really gives a hoot about anything BUT sales?  Certainly 
not "my" impression.
Facebook project...just another gaggle to manipulate with the LEAST amount 
of integrity I've seen in a long time.


The "movement" does just fine spontaneously without some gamer lurking 
behind it.
Barwicks forums do serve a purpose besides his own, in spite of him...not 
so much because of him.


BTW  The way that copy was written it was BOTH a scare tactic and 
misleading.  Bait in the title and then switch in the deep easily missed, 
then an advertisement that hints..
 "I'm the only one that can save you poor suckers" when really, anyone 
with a bullion coin and a half dead battery can save themselves.

Its intent was clearly not to convey undistorted information.

It could even be that 90% silver circulation coin will work in a pinch, 
being 10% copper which also kills germs and works even better on fungi.


Ode


At 10:02 AM 2/8/2010 -0500, you wrote:
It isn't a scare technique.  The EU will dispose of CSW in evolutionary 
steps over a period of time - not in a one-time shot deal.  Like the way 
King Pharma came into credibility discrediting homepathic doctors in the 
early 19th century.  It's progressive evolution - please keep an eye on 
it.  I think Steve's ideas are very good and with much more integrity than 
most money gobbling CSW machine makers.  I don't see any of them doing 
anything for the "movement."


John

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:24 AM, John E. Stevens 
<jonellis.steven...@gmail.com> wrote:



-- Forwarded message --
From: Steve Barwick 
<stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net>

Date: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:15 AM
Subject: request your help
To: Steve Barwick 
<stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net>



I just started a new Facebook group called the Colloidal Silver Secrets 
Group.




The idea of the group is to give colloidal silver users a forum from 
which they can discuss their own use of colloidal silver -- i.e., why 
they use it, how they use it, what their results are, etc.




Before I officially launch the group, I'm trying to "seed" it with group 
members, so it won't look so empty when new readers come to check it out.




If you're a Facebook member, I'd really appreciate it if you'd consider 
going to 
this 
link and joining my new Colloidal Silver Secrets group, and maybe even 
posting a comment about your own usage of colloidal silver -- 
particularly if you have something positive to share.




Thanks for helping me get things rolling!

Steve Barwick







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Re: CS>moon on fingernails? -- how much do you use?




  Then after the stomach there is this intelligent chemical soup and no 
telling what happens next.

 All roads lead to Rome?

What works, works and knowing how it works doesn't change that.
You can do it WHILE you figger it out.

The plants grew and the sun shined even back when the Earth was flat and 
was in the middle of it all and the man on the moon ate green cheese 
laughing at all of us in the night.
 So now we know that Dude is but a bunch of craters and the cheese is 
random rock fort, but he still laughs and shines.


Ode


At 10:37 AM 2/8/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Richard Goodwin wrote:
I keep hearing that:  once silver ions hit the salty stomach or blood, 
they become silver chloride...


But, something was already x-chloride in both stomach and blood -- sodium 
chloride?


So what does silver do?  Push the sodium aside and take over the chloride 
ions?  How does it do that?  And what happens to the sodium ions?  Or 
does an excess of positive ions of whatever kind go unmatched with the 
lesser number of negative ones?
Silver like any other element will react in such a way that it goes from 
less stable to more stable.  The order of stability for silver compounds 
was posted on this list by me just a couple of weeks ago.  If you look at 
it you will see that silver citrate is MORE stable than silver chloride, 
and thus will not convert from the citrate state to the chloride state 
when it enters the stomach, or blood stream. In the stomach the silver 
combines with the HCl in the stomach, producing silver chloride if it is 
of a less stable form than silver chloride.
For example the silver hydroxide AgOH in EIS will combine with HCl in the 
stomach producing AgCl and H2O, dihydrogen monoxide, also known as 
water.  However silver nitrate will produce nitric acid when it reacts 
with HCl, and is why it is so corrosive and toxic.


Marshall


Help!

Dick


*From:* "Norton, Steve" 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Fri, February 5, 2010 5:59:46 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>moon on fingernails? -- how much do you use?

I was skirting this because it is a secondary issue. Silver ions are very 
active and will form compounds with the first substance it can. Silver 
ions do not survive the digestive system as free ions. They probably 
react with stomach acid to primarily form silver chloride. The silver may 
also react with other substances such as ammopnia to form other 
compounds. But they do not remain as silver ions.

- Steve N


*From*: poast 
*To*: silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent*: Fri Feb 05 16:03:24 2010
*Subject*: Re: CS>

Hello Steve,

OK, I am beginning to understand.

I have looked at the Altman paper, but have not studied it.  I will take 
another look at it, in detail.


If I may present a somewhat weak argument...

Doesn't it stand to reason that if you take more, you will not only 
ingest more ions, but also more particles.  Perhaps the elimination 
through the kidney is just because there is more of both in the body...


Back to the books, for now.

Thanks.

Tom


- Original Message -
*From:* Norton, Steve 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 10:43 AM
*Subject:* CS>

Tom,

I am not suggesting daily use over use as needed. There was a time
when I first used EIS I used it several times a day. It allowed me
to get off a long term dependence on antibiotics. Now I take it
when I think I need it.

As to why I think that large doses of EIS do not significantly
increase the effectiveness of EIS is a little more complex and
somewhat controversial. It has to do with how EIS is processed in
the body. The best clue to that comes from the Altman Silver
Excretion Study. You can find the study at the Silver Medicine web
site. Unfortunately the study pnly provides clues but not
definitive answers. That is where the interpretation I mentioned
in may previous post is important.

IMO the important issue is whether the silver eliminated by the
kidney is is in solution or particulate form. Silver in solution
is far more active than silver in particulate form. There are
varying opinions on that question. One of the more popular
theories is that it is a soluble silver/ammonia compound is formed
and since it contains ammonia it is removed by the kidney. However
I have found that one of the most likely ammonia compounds,
Ag(NH3)2, is eliminated by the liver and not the kidney. While I
cannot say it with absolute certainly, my research indicates that
all silver compounds in solution are removed by the liver.

For various reasons it appaers that taking large ammounts of EIS
predominately increases the amount of silver that excretes through
the kidney whi

Re: CS>FDA approval




 I'll not let the FDA decide that either way.
If I think it will be useful, I'll use it, no matter what they say.

 An anti believer is just as *controlled* as a believer.
 Examine your gods and chose whichever one answers your current prayers.
 When the prayers change, change gods with the one that works and let the 
others be just as jealous as they want to be.


If they can't take care of themselves without your faith, they ain't worth 
the worship.


Ode


At 11:46 AM 2/8/2010 -0500, you wrote:
I agree. Many times I have put down something I was looking at maybe 
purchasing when I saw those words "Approved by te FDA".  That is one big 
red flag for me, and I am not taking anything that says that on it, and 
hope to keep it that way.


Marshall

John E. Stevens wrote:

Dick:

I think you're daydreaming...  I don't think CSW (silver) will ever be 
approved by the FDA because it isn't patentable and King Pharma couldn't 
make any money on it.  Silver was used as a natural antibiotic 
extensively before pharmaceuticals came (sickly) into their own.  The 
fact "that most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by the 
FDA," as you say, doesn't carry much weight with the folks who know the 
power of silver.  And anything approved by the FDA is something I, 
personally, wouldn't use.  Not even aspirin...  What the FDA approves is 
very dangerous to life and living, as is exemplified over and over again.


John

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Richard Goodwin 
mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com>> wrote:


I understand that.  Most people won't touch anything that isn't
approved by all the TLAs out there:  FDA, AMA, FTC, ...

But if silver were FDA approved, then it could be given the
legitimacy of advertising, doctor Rx, etc., that the other meds
have.  And best of all, we would own all the proceeds, not big
pharma.  But that would be just icing on the cake.

It would require that somebody set up a company to do the work,
and that it have thousands of investors to fund it.  I would
certainly contribute.

Dick


*From:* "martsmai...@aol.com "
mailto:martsmai...@aol.com>>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Fri, February 5, 2010 10:21:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>FDA approval

By the time we convince the rest of the world. We will all be
dead. How many people have you told and they think it is  crazy. I
used to tell people that were dying of mesothelioma to help
improve their immune system. Remember these people are 
dying. Very few listen...


In a message dated 2/5/2010 6:52:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com  writes:

There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and
what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc.

OK, so?   How many people are there now who make their own EIS?

How many people are there in addition who might want to use it
if it were FDA approved?

Hundreds?  Thousands?  More?

Individually we do not have the resources of a large
pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us,
maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the
research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could
be FDA approved!

Why not?

Any interest out there, besides me?

Dick


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Re: CS>bromine in breads

2010-02-09 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

That is my dream sol, to win the lottery and have someone COOK for me!  Never 
mind the housework, just cook!  dee

On 9 Feb 2010, at 00:35, sol wrote:

> At 04:39 AM 2/8/2010, you wrote:
>> This sounds like a very industrious, busy person!  The reason I am 
>> overweight is because I can't be bothered to eat well, and just grab a piece 
>> of plastic bread and stick some jam on it!  I HATE cooking more than 
>> anything else, even more than housework!  dee
> 
> I used to like cooking, but after 25 years of my own food allergies, and over 
> 15 years of my husband's food allergies, and in the past my son's food 
> allergies, I hate cooking too. None of us have/had the same allergies, so 
> finding anything all 3 of us could eat was a frustrating task. Even with just 
> me and husband for the past 15 years, it is hard. 
> I am not joking when I say if I could cure my food allergies I would never 
> cook again, reheating TV dinners, frozen entrees, and several trips a week to 
> fast food joints that would be my diet. Coffee and tea would be my only 
> "cooking". LOL
> OR if I was very wealthy, and could do the cooking and could pay someone else 
> to do not only the cleanup, but most of the prepROTFL,
> sol

Re: CS>Fwd: request your help

2010-02-09 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

I'm with you on that David.  And sometimes publicity is NOT a good thing.  dee

On 9 Feb 2010, at 02:46, Alchemysa wrote:

> 
> 
> How does that help' the movement'?
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 


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Re: CS>bromine in breads

2010-02-09 Thread Richard Goodwin

There is an alternative available now:  Advanced Allergy Therapeutics is one 
name for it.  There are others.  One site that explains it is:  

http://www.claussenchiro.com/custom_content/13835_advanced_allergy_therapeutics__video_lin.html

The most advanced treatment centers are computerized now, in that they can 
simulate allergens via computer.

There are many other sites and places that offer the treatment.  It got rid of 
almost all of my allergies.  I'm still working on ferreting out what else 
causes allergic reactions.  I can now be around cats, dogs, horses, hay, dust, 
pollen, and many other things that used to really mess me up, with no allergy 
pills or shots or anything.  They make allergies go away with one treatment.  
Pretty cool stuff.  And they do food allergies as well as all the rest.

There are those who will yell "Quack!", but in fact it works very well.

Dick

From: sol 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 7:35:53 PM
Subject: Re: CS>bromine in breads

At 04:39 AM 2/8/2010, you wrote:

This sounds like a very
>industrious, busy person!  The reason I am overweight is because I
>can't be bothered to eat well, and just grab a piece of plastic bread and
>stick some jam on it!  I HATE cooking more than anything else, even
>more than housework!  dee
>
I used to like cooking, but after 25 years of my own food allergies, and
over 15 years of my husband's food allergies, and in the past my son's
food allergies, I hate cooking too. None of us have/had the same
allergies, so finding anything all 3 of us could eat was a frustrating
task. Even with just me and husband for the past 15 years, it is hard. 
I am not joking when I say if I could cure my food allergies I would
never cook again, reheating TV dinners, frozen entrees, and several trips
a week to fast food joints that would be my diet. Coffee and tea would be
my only "cooking". LOL
OR if I was very wealthy, and could do the cooking and could pay someone
else to do not only the cleanup, but most of the
prepROTFL,
sol

Re: CS>fruit and veg in Belize..a feel-aweful-see, gone OT




  Tradition is a bitch, ain't it?
 Turns into a religion so fast and sticks around forever.

We do it this way because our parents did...and it STILL doesn't work... 
but it's the RIGHT way.
Then even when the wrong way DOES work, the old right way that never did, 
sneaks back in to bury it with a greater imperfection when it's not perfect.


 Oh ye of little faithcan walk where ever you like.
.just watch your step.

Tubby Contin U-ed on OT

O D


At 10:49 AM 2/8/2010 -0600, you wrote:

Hi Ode, Greetings from Belize ! It was actually the English - when
Belize was British Honduras - who banned anyone growing fresh
vegetables so they could sell the Belizeans lots of canned vegetables
from Europe .!! Consequently several generations never learned to grow
anything for themselves so it never took off ,  even after   the
English departed. However an awful lot of amazing fruit and veg  does
grow by itself in Belize if you search for it but otherwise Belize is
full of people  with obesity and diabetes like all countries that
follow the US diet. Keep it up Ode , your machines and scribbles are
the best , Richard



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Re: CS>FDA approval [Trigger word, beware of rant]




  Man is always playing god.
 Worshipping this one or that one is also playing god, the god of defaults.
If you take it upon yourself, you are playing your own god.

 It doesn't matter what a doctor wants to do if his patients keep him 
locked up in an approval box in self defense, made to make friends with 
powers that can fight off the onslaught. [ A god of self defense]
 It's not that doctors love the Pharmthey have no choice if they want 
to remain being doctors.

Why bother to learn something you can't USE?
 And the people IN the Pharm are not evil Devils out to kill 
everybody.  [Well, maybe the sales division ]


But it does sort of work like every other religion where God gets the 
credit when it goes well and the Devil gets the blame when it doesn't..but 
no one wants to claim or invade Hell, and God is impervious to complaint 
and the worshipper at every level is off the hook so long as he attends 
church paying the lawyer priests their dues.


You, however, are not in that box and can make any choice you want to, 
legal or not.
 All you need to worry about is losing your license to stay alive and if 
you lose that, making a living doesn't count.
 No one is depending on you to be right but you. and kicking yourself 
in the head is hard to do if you aren't right.
 Your kids might try to chain you down, though.  [Shhh]  [or buddy up with 
a life insurance company ]


Ode


At 12:03 PM 2/8/2010 -0600, you wrote:
I dunno Ode, I don't think most doctors are the good guys. MOST of them 
don't even question the garbage they're taught in medical school. They 
don't look for underlying cause of disease, or learn anything new, or look 
at the newest research. They'll tell you it's all in your head when they 
have the lab work in front of them that tells the story, then they try to 
fob you off by throwing drug cocktails at you, or antidepressants.


There are a FEW doctors out there, out of the many who do try to learn new 
ways and information, but they ARE few.

Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Ode Coyote wrote:

Who made who what "king"?
 The "problem" is that people believe that doctors are gods with all the 
answers and if they get one wrong, because no two people are the same. 
they can sue them.



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Re: CS>Silver type for lyme & babesia

2010-02-09 Thread Dave Darrin

There is no best! They all do the same thing. What ever you choose will kill
Lyme, but probably the home made stuff will do it quicker.
 The way you do it is the important factor.
I had Lyme for 42 years and killed it in three days with home made CS.
 The protocol I used was to take four oz every waking twenty minutes to
saturate my system with silver until I woke up in the middle of the night
feeling great for the first time in years. I then cut back to four oz a day
and kept taking it for years afterword.  I never had a relapse but After
eight years I started greying.  If you do it for a couple years to rid
yourself of the hidden spirochaetes, then after that use it when you feel
something coming on you shouldn't  have a problem.
Dave

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Greg Ball  wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
> I'm still hoping for an answer to my original question. What's the best
> and most effective form of silver for me (lymes disease and babesia)? Should
> I use my silvergen, or ACS, Mesosilver, Sovereign Silver I'd really
> appreciate an answer if anyone has one, or if not, where can I look or
> ask...???
>
> Thanks!! Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>Silver type for lyme & babesia

2010-02-09 Thread sms

Is it Angie or Greg?  The Silverlist is not particularly Lyme knowledge
oriented having to do with CS/EIS.  There may be a handful of experts on
here that will answer your question.  My suggestion is go to the Lyme Groups
and Forums where CS is discussed like Lymestrategies or Lyme_and_Rife with
Thane who is the owner/mod and ask there where you will find Lyme support
and where all of your questions, including this one will be answered.

But, to answer your question here: - If you have a Silvergen, in my opinion,
you don't need anything else. The others are prohibitively expensive to take
on a daily basis. 
I make 10ppm with mine, and have been using that for years. If you can
afford to use ACS on a daily basis go ahead; or Sovereign Silver which you
can get at Whole Foods. Never have taken Mesosilver, so I can't speak to
that, but continue to hear good things about it. 
 
If you stay at 10ppm with your Silvergen, that is totally sufficient.  Go to
Lymestrategies Yahoo Group and find out what the exact protocol is for
Salt/C.  Don't do the salt/C protocol any other way other than the right way
 
 
Other suggestions you can Google.
Dr. J. Shaller free e-book on Babesia 
http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/updated-babesia-textbook.html 
Stephen H. Buhner Lyme herbs 
MMS1 and MMS2 
Rife 
Bryan Rosner's Books
Connie Strasheim's new book

Hope that helps.
Sasha
 
 
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Greg Ball 
Date: 02/08/10 21:18:29 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: CS>Silver type for lyme & babesia 
 
Hi all, 
 
I'm still hoping for an answer to my original question. What's the best and
most effective form of silver for me (lymes disease and babesia)? Should I
use my silvergen, or ACS, Mesosilver, Sovereign Silver I'd really
appreciate an answer if anyone has one, or if not, where can I look or ask..
??? 
 
Thanks!! Greg 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: CS>Silver type for lyme & babesia

2010-02-09 Thread Marshall Dudley


Greg Ball wrote:

Hi all,
 
I'm still hoping for an answer to my original question. What's the 
best and most effective form of silver for me (lymes disease and 
babesia)? Should I use my silvergen, or ACS, Mesosilver, Sovereign 
Silver I'd really appreciate an answer if anyone has one, or if 
not, where can I look or ask...???
 
Thanks!! Greg
 

 

 
EIS is most effective, that is what all of us use here. But as I posted 
before, it is difficult or impossible to completely cure ADVANCED lyme 
with CS alone, but the Bob Beck protocol has proven successful for many.


Marshall


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Re: CS>moon on fingernails? -- how much do you use?

2010-02-09 Thread Marshall Dudley


poast wrote:

Hello Ode,

They make a big deal about the oxide on the outside of their silver
particles.  Then they mention that they are adding H2O2.  Does the H2O2 play
a part in the oxidation?
  
I explain fully what H2O2 does in my article.  It oxides the big 
particles producing silver hydroxide/oxide and reduces the silver 
hydroxide/oxide to be a 2 atom particle. End result is that an EIS of 
about 90% ionic and medium to large particles is changed to about 50% 
ionic with very small particles.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Fwd: request your help

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:

"It could even be that 90% silver circulation coin will work in a
pinch, being 10% copper which also kills germs and works even better
on fungi."

I was under the impression that you need to be over a certain voltage
to get the copper to go into the water.  Could you not just keep the
brewing voltage below that level and get mostly silver out of the
coin?

Dan


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Re: CS>Fwd: request your help

2010-02-09 Thread Marshall Dudley

My experience with gold is that an alloy (my testing was with a 1:1: 
molar ratio) will cause the atoms to leave the anode at a voltage 
consistent with the one that requires lower voltage.  My take is that as 
the atoms around the other metal (copper in this case, but gold in my 
testing) leave, so the other atoms end up alone and drift off   However 
I suspect that if the copper were of a higher percentage than the 
silver, this would likely not be the case.


Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:

"It could even be that 90% silver circulation coin will work in a
pinch, being 10% copper which also kills germs and works even better
on fungi."

I was under the impression that you need to be over a certain voltage
to get the copper to go into the water.  Could you not just keep the
brewing voltage below that level and get mostly silver out of the
coin?

Dan


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Re: CS>bromine in breads

2010-02-09 Thread sol





LOL, Eden is a whole different climate than where I live, 60 miles north.


oops, that should have been:
 Eden is 60 miles north of where I live
sol

Re: CS>FDA approval [Trigger word, beware of rant]

2010-02-09 Thread Golden Aldi

Annie, you are so right. Most of the "competent" doctors I knew have all
crossed over, and the ones I still might know is somehow held hostage by
some government affiliated agency or organisation, so they can't praxis as
freely as they would like to.

The doctors we have left have been taught and lectured by those who have
been funded by the pharma companies and their lobbyists who get their monies
from everywhere.

I feel sorry for those people who still entrust their lives and health to
these men in white coats, but everyone must make their own decisions and
experience their own consequences.

Aldi

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Annie B Smythe wrote:

>
>
> There are a FEW doctors out there, out of the many who do try to learn new
> ways and information, but they ARE few. And I know for a fact the big Pharma
> pays what amounts to bribes, in education grants and research grants, for
> the different medical societies to support their drugs by writing
> prescriptions and squashing any natural substance that might be a better
> solution. Even something as simple as the nutrients in food a scoffed at as
> a way back to health. And doctors are not trained at all in nutrition.
> They're trained to write scripts for conditions.The various medical
> publications censor anything that challenges the status quo.
>

Re: CS>bromine in breads

2010-02-09 Thread sol


So tell us what is actually IS??? HOW did it fix your allergies?
sol

At 05:40 AM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
There is an alternative available now:  Advanced Allergy 
Therapeutics is one name for it.  There are others.  One site that 
explains it is:


http://www.claussenchiro.com/custom_content/13835_advanced_allergy_therapeutics__video_lin.html

The most advanced treatment centers are computerized now, in that 
they can simulate allergens via computer.


There are many other sites and places that offer the treatment.  It 
got rid of almost all of my allergies.  I'm still working on 
ferreting out what else causes allergic reactions.  I can now be 
around cats, dogs, horses, hay, dust, pollen, and many other things 
that used to really mess me up, with no allergy pills or shots or 
anything.  They make allergies go away with one treatment.  Pretty 
cool stuff.  And they do food allergies as well as all the rest.


There are those who will yell "Quack!", but in fact it works very well.

RE: CS>moon on fingernails? -- how much do you use?

Tom,

Sorry that I haven't had time to reply. Even this will be a little brief. One
important point to note is that silver is not consumed when it kills a pathogen
as chlorine dioxide or other chemicals would be. And the study below shows that
it takes but a single ion to destroy a bacteria. Although it does take more
silver to inactivate an HIV virus.

Here is a study relating to how low concentrations of Ag+ ions are able to kill
bacteria:

Chemiosmotic Mechanism of Antimicrobial Activity of Ag+ in Vibrio cholerae
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC127333/

“Although the antimicrobial effects of silver salts were noticed long ago, the
molecular mechanism of the bactericidal action of Ag+ in low concentrations has
not been elucidated. Here, we show that low concentrations of Ag+ induce a
massive proton leakage through the Vibrio cholerae membrane, which results in
complete deenergization and, with a high degree of probability, cell death.”
"In summary, the addition of low micromolar concentrations of Ag+ to inside-out
membrane vesicles of V. cholerae induced a total collapse of both ΔpH and Δψ
irrespective of the presence of Na+ ions. This effect of Ag+ was independent of
the presence of the Na+-translocating NQR, known as a specific target for
submicromolar Ag+, suggesting that the other Ag+-modified membrane proteins (or
perhaps the Ag+-modified phospholipid bilayer itself) can cause the H+ leakage,
thus explaining the broad spectrum of the antimicrobial activity of Ag+ ions.
... Thus, finally, the controversy over the mechanism of the bactericidal
activity of low concentrations of Ag+ ions has been clarified."

Regarding silver particles vs ionic silver:

Treatment of Various Surfaces with Silver and its Compounds for Topical Wound
Dressings, Catheter and Other Biomedical Applications
http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normal&id=ECSTF811210101&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes

“The applications of surfaces treated with silver and its compounds include
devices used as topical wound dressings, urinary catheters, endotracheal tubes,
cardiac valves etc. Treatment of surfaces e.g. textile, polymers or metals with
silver or its compounds is carried out to achieve the antimicrobial action of
silver ions. Several approaches of surface treatment of medical devices for the
antimicrobial purposes, such as electrodeposition, electroless deposition,
physical vapor deposition, - radiation, etc. have been used in practice. It is
clear that only silver ions are responsible for the antimicrobial activity. As
confirmed experimentally, only samples containing silver compounds can
deliberate silver ions in the tested media and exhibit antimicrobial activity
both in vitro and in vivo. There is no evidence that elemental silver, even its
so-called "nano-crystalline" state, exhibits an antimicrobial activity.
Consequently, the devices coated with "nano-crystalline" silver should
carefully be taken into consideration before the application.”

From the full article in Google books:
http://books.google.com/books?id=mWFylRiXV8cC&pg=PT9&lpg=PT9&dq=%22Treatment+of+various+surfaces+with+silver+and+its+compounds+for+topical+wound+dressings%22&source=bl&ots=ixGCz2qti9&sig=of-Mkcn3VyMVbo0syg6hZMiY788&hl=en&ei=-pMdS7rvN87anAfX2dzeAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Treatment%20of%20various%20surfaces%20with%20silver%20and%20its%20compounds%20for%20topical%20wound%20dressings%22&f=false

“Based on the observation that metallic silver may exhibit some antimicrobial
activity, when sufficiently long in contact with interstitial fluids, and
considering the fact that only silver ions, and not silver metal, are
responsible for the antimicrobial activity. One can conclude that
electrochemical or corrosion phenomena plays a significant role in the
antimicrobial activity of pure silver.”

I don't think the study above tells the whole story as is the case with so many
studies. For example, below is a study showing an HIV-1 virus with each of its
binding sites occupied by a silver particle, thereby preventing the virus from
attaching to a host cell and rendering the HIV virus harmless.

Interaction of silver nanoparticles with HIV-1
http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/3/1/6

"HAADF images of the HIV-1 virus. a) HAADF image of an HIV-1 virus exposed to
BSA-conjugated silver nanoparticles. Inset shows the regular spatial
arrangement between groups of three nanoparticles. b) HAADF image of HIV-1
viruses without silver nanoparticle treatment. Inset highlight the regular
spatial arrangement observed on the surface of the untreated HIV-1 virus. c)
EDS analysis of image a) confirming the presence of Ag. The C signal comes from
both the TEM grid and the virus, O, and P are from the virus, and Na, Cl, and K
are present in the culture medium. Ni and Si come from the TEM grid, while Cu
is attributed to the sample holder. d) C

Re: CS>bromine in breads

2010-02-09 Thread Richard Goodwin

The theory is on the website below.  It explains it much better than I can, but 
I'll give a nutshell:

When you are exposed to an allergen, there is a slight effect on your muscle 
strength, which a trained person can detect.  The place I went, they had me lie 
down on my back, then press down with one arm onto the mattress, then they 
lifted that arm by the wrist.  They could tell by how much resistance there was 
whether I was sensitive to something or not.  

Then they would expose me to various substances that could be allergens, and 
see if I had a reaction to them.  In the video below they use actual 
substances, like put some milk on your arm or some cat hair.  They now have 
over a quarter million substances encoded into a laptop, connected to a cuff 
they wrap around your arm, so they can induce magnetically into your arm a 
frequency that mimics each allergen.

I know ... it sounds hokey.  And I thought it was until it  worked.

Once they discover something you are allergic to, they keep the exposure going, 
have you sit up, and use a little massager tool to gently massage up and down 
your back.  This cures the allergy once and for all.

The theory is that allergies are created at various points in your life when 
you experience some kind of trauma -- physical or emotional, and your body 
learns to associate any allergens you are exposed to at the time with the 
trauma, and you thereby become allergic to the substance.  For example when I 
was 3 I was scratched badly by a kitten, which scared the whatsis out of me, 
and I have been allergic to cats my whole life.

The treatment -- massage down your spine -- is a pleasurable sensation which 
teaches your body that the allergen it is sensing is not bad after all, but is 
ok.  Your system unlearns its incorrect reaction to that allergen, and the 
allergy to it goes away.

And sure enough, I no longer am bothered by cats.  And a whole host of other 
things that have plagued me my whole life.

Pretty cool stuff.  No more allergies, no more allergy shots.

Dick

From: sol 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 2:01:18 PM
Subject: Re: CS>bromine in breads

So tell us what is actually IS??? HOW did it fix your
allergies?
sol

At 05:40 AM 2/9/2010, you wrote:

There is an alternative
>available now:  Advanced Allergy Therapeutics is one name for
>it.  There are others.  One site that explains it is: 
>
>
>http://www.claussenchiro.com/custom_content/13835_advanced_allergy_therapeutics__video_lin.html
> 
>
>>The most advanced treatment centers are computerized now, in that they
>can simulate allergens via computer.
>
>>There are many other sites and places that offer the treatment.  It
>got rid of almost all of my allergies.  I'm still working on
>ferreting out what else causes allergic reactions.  I can now be
>around cats, dogs, horses, hay, dust, pollen, and many other things that
>used to really mess me up, with no allergy pills or shots or
>anything.  They make allergies go away with one treatment. 
>Pretty cool stuff.  And they do food allergies as well as all the
>rest.
>
>>There are those who will yell "Quack!", but in fact it works
>very well.
>

CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please :)

2010-02-09 Thread Annie B Smythe


Heya my chemistry guys, or gals :)

I really need some help here, pretty please?

Can you look at this and tell me if this is the 
same Lugol's solution that is sold as Lugol's 5% 
solution to take as a dietary supplement?


http://www.artchemicals.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=LC15675-52002&click=2

Cause if it is, I'm gonna buy this one or the next 
size down. It's a lot cheaper than the 2% 2 oz 
bottles I've been buying for 10.99 plus shipping, 
even with their shipping charge added to the 
price. So far as I know if they say it's Lugol's 
it is made a certain way. Lugol's is Lugol's? A 
certain percentage of potassium iodide, and a 
certain percentage of Iodine, and purified water? 
is that right? Or it couldn't be labeled as Lugol's?



Annie
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Re: CS>Fwd: request your help

2010-02-09 Thread M. G. Devour

And on that delightful note, let us assume all sides of the message 
have been received, assessed, and decisions made by anyone who still 
gives a good... gosh darn.  

In the future, please refrain from insulting the person of another list 
member, even if you disagree strongly with an *opinion* they have 
expressed.

Now let's drop it.

Mike D.
list ogre... um, owner

> Seems like you're the scaremonger and name-caller.  I don't pay any
> attention to your nonsense.  You're a bad joke!
> 
> John
> 
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Alchemysa 
> wrote:
> 
> > The problem is that Barwick/Jones newsletters and readouts are
> > scaremongering, misleading bull.  Furthermore he writes in that
> > miracle cure/snake oil style that will bring the FDA down on the whole
> > CS business.
> >
> > How does that help' the movement'?
> >
> > David

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RE: CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please :)

Annie,
Many sell their own Lugol's type iodine. I think they are all
interchangeable. It is simple to make your own. I make my own using
iodine and potassium iodide I get on eBay. For how much of each, see the
formulas at http://www.altcancer.com/lugols.htm#formula.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:33 PM
To: CS List
Subject: CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please :)

Heya my chemistry guys, or gals :)

I really need some help here, pretty please?

Can you look at this and tell me if this is the 
same Lugol's solution that is sold as Lugol's 5% 
solution to take as a dietary supplement?

http://www.artchemicals.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=LC15675-52002
&click=2

Cause if it is, I'm gonna buy this one or the next 
size down. It's a lot cheaper than the 2% 2 oz 
bottles I've been buying for 10.99 plus shipping, 
even with their shipping charge added to the 
price. So far as I know if they say it's Lugol's 
it is made a certain way. Lugol's is Lugol's? A 
certain percentage of potassium iodide, and a 
certain percentage of Iodine, and purified water? 
is that right? Or it couldn't be labeled as Lugol's?


Annie
-- 
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CS>Dr. Oz, on bioterror attack.

2010-02-09 Thread Day Sutton

I have read reports recently that not only Al Quaida, but also possible
China, would use bioterror on us. The three that would be most likely used
are:  Anthrax, Bubonic Plague, and Botulism.  Is CS/EIS effective treatment
for these??  Now is the time to find out..If you don't know how to make your
own, ask on the Silver-List..

http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/are-you-prepared-next-bioterror-attack?page=2#copy

-- 
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Re: CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please :)

2010-02-09 Thread Annie B Smythe


Thank you Steve:)

The problem is that I don't have accurate 
measuring equipment for grams and milliliters.
And buying the equipment would probably negate any 
savings, unless you know a source for decently 
priced and accurate measuring equipment? Other 
than that, I don't have any problems with making 
my own Lugol's solution:) I have 7 peeps in my 
family now, and buying the premixed stuff is 
pricey, but I believe strongly that the 
Iodide/Iodine blend is important for our health.


Annie
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Norton, Steve wrote:

Annie,
Many sell their own Lugol's type iodine. I think they are all
interchangeable. It is simple to make your own. I make my own using
iodine and potassium iodide I get on eBay. For how much of each, see the
formulas at http://www.altcancer.com/lugols.htm#formula.
 - Steve N



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Re: CS>bromine in breads

If you know that you are allergic to something, could you do the same
thing to overcome the allergy, like put the cat dander on your arm and
have someone massage up and down your back?

Wouldn't think that you would need the machine, etc, if you already
know what you are allergic to.

Dan

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Richard Goodwin
 wrote:
> The theory is on the website below.  It explains it much better than I can,
> but I'll give a nutshell:
>
> When you are exposed to an allergen, there is a slight effect on your muscle
> strength, which a trained person can detect.  The place I went, they had me
> lie down on my back, then press down with one arm onto the mattress, then
> they lifted that arm by the wrist.  They could tell by how much resistance
> there was whether I was sensitive to something or not.
>
> Then they would expose me to various substances that could be allergens, and
> see if I had a reaction to them.  In the video below they use actual
> substances, like put some milk on your arm or some cat hair.  They now have
> over a quarter million substances encoded into a laptop, connected to a cuff
> they wrap around your arm, so they can induce magnetically into your arm a
> frequency that mimics each allergen.
>
> I know ... it sounds hokey.  And I thought it was until it  worked.
>
> Once they discover something you are allergic to, they keep the exposure
> going, have you sit up, and use a little massager tool to gently massage up
> and down your back.  This cures the allergy once and for all.
>
> The theory is that allergies are created at various points in your life when
> you experience some kind of trauma -- physical or emotional, and your body
> learns to associate any allergens you are exposed to at the time with the
> trauma, and you thereby become allergic to the substance.  For example when
> I was 3 I was scratched badly by a kitten, which scared the whatsis out of
> me, and I have been allergic to cats my whole life.
>
> The treatment -- massage down your spine -- is a pleasurable sensation which
> teaches your body that the allergen it is sensing is not bad after all, but
> is ok.  Your system unlearns its incorrect reaction to that allergen, and
> the allergy to it goes away.
>
> And sure enough, I no longer am bothered by cats.  And a whole host of other
> things that have plagued me my whole life.
>
> Pretty cool stuff.  No more allergies, no more allergy shots.
>
> Dick
>
> 
> From: sol 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 2:01:18 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>bromine in breads
>
> So tell us what is actually IS??? HOW did it fix your allergies?
> sol
>
> At 05:40 AM 2/9/2010, you wrote:
>
> There is an alternative available now:  Advanced Allergy Therapeutics is one
> name for it.  There are others.  One site that explains it is:
>
> http://www.claussenchiro.com/custom_content/13835_advanced_allergy_therapeutics__video_lin.html
>
> The most advanced treatment centers are computerized now, in that they can
> simulate allergens via computer.
>
> There are many other sites and places that offer the treatment.  It got rid
> of almost all of my allergies.  I'm still working on ferreting out what else
> causes allergic reactions.  I can now be around cats, dogs, horses, hay,
> dust, pollen, and many other things that used to really mess me up, with no
> allergy pills or shots or anything.  They make allergies go away with one
> treatment.  Pretty cool stuff.  And they do food allergies as well as all
> the rest.
>
> There are those who will yell "Quack!", but in fact it works very well.
>


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RE: CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please :)

Annie,

Here are some scale sources that are not too expensive.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93543

http://www.dealextreme.com/products.dx/category.406

The Deal Extreme prices include shipping.

You don't have to be too accurate on measuring the liquid. You can use a
soda bottle for measuring or if you want to be more precise;

1 oz = 29.6 ml

1 qt = 0.95 liters

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:16 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please :)

Thank you Steve:)

The problem is that I don't have accurate 
measuring equipment for grams and milliliters.
And buying the equipment would probably negate any 
savings, unless you know a source for decently 
priced and accurate measuring equipment? Other 
than that, I don't have any problems with making 
my own Lugol's solution:) I have 7 peeps in my 
family now, and buying the premixed stuff is 
pricey, but I believe strongly that the 
Iodide/Iodine blend is important for our health.

Annie
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh

Norton, Steve wrote:
> Annie,
> Many sell their own Lugol's type iodine. I think they are all
> interchangeable. It is simple to make your own. I make my own using
> iodine and potassium iodide I get on eBay. For how much of each, see
the
> formulas at http://www.altcancer.com/lugols.htm#formula.
>  - Steve N

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Re: CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please :)

2010-02-09 Thread Annie B Smythe


Thank you Steve:)

Those aren't bad prices at all! Can you share your 
eBay sources for the Iodine and potassium Iodide, 
please? I'm leery of buying chemicals on eBay 
because I don't know their sources. But if you've 
bought from some eBay sellers and their products 
of good quality for you, then I'll trust them too, 
LOL.


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Norton, Steve wrote:

Annie,

Here are some scale sources that are not too expensive.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93543

http://www.dealextreme.com/products.dx/category.406

The Deal Extreme prices include shipping.

You don't have to be too accurate on measuring the liquid. You can use a
soda bottle for measuring or if you want to be more precise;

1 oz = 29.6 ml

1 qt = 0.95 liters

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:16 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please :)

Thank you Steve:)

The problem is that I don't have accurate 
measuring equipment for grams and milliliters.
And buying the equipment would probably negate any 
savings, unless you know a source for decently 
priced and accurate measuring equipment? Other 
than that, I don't have any problems with making 
my own Lugol's solution:) I have 7 peeps in my 
family now, and buying the premixed stuff is 
pricey, but I believe strongly that the 
Iodide/Iodine blend is important for our health.


Annie
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Norton, Steve wrote:

Annie,
Many sell their own Lugol's type iodine. I think they are all
interchangeable. It is simple to make your own. I make my own using
iodine and potassium iodide I get on eBay. For how much of each, see

the

formulas at http://www.altcancer.com/lugols.htm#formula.
 - Steve N




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RE: CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please :)

I am not sure I can still find out who I bought from it has been so
long. I probably still have enough iodine and iodide to last another
year. But I will look and see if I still have that info.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please :)

Thank you Steve:)

Those aren't bad prices at all! Can you share your 
eBay sources for the Iodine and potassium Iodide, 
please? I'm leery of buying chemicals on eBay 
because I don't know their sources. But if you've 
bought from some eBay sellers and their products 
of good quality for you, then I'll trust them too, 
LOL.

Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Norton, Steve wrote:
> Annie,
> 
> Here are some scale sources that are not too expensive.
> 
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93543
> 
> http://www.dealextreme.com/products.dx/category.406
> 
> The Deal Extreme prices include shipping.
> 
> You don't have to be too accurate on measuring the liquid. You can use
a
> soda bottle for measuring or if you want to be more precise;
> 
> 1 oz = 29.6 ml
> 
> 1 qt = 0.95 liters
> 
>  - Steve N
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Annie B Smythe [mailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:16 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Question for the chemistry knowing folks, help please
:)
> 
> Thank you Steve:)
> 
> The problem is that I don't have accurate 
> measuring equipment for grams and milliliters.
> And buying the equipment would probably negate any 
> savings, unless you know a source for decently 
> priced and accurate measuring equipment? Other 
> than that, I don't have any problems with making 
> my own Lugol's solution:) I have 7 peeps in my 
> family now, and buying the premixed stuff is 
> pricey, but I believe strongly that the 
> Iodide/Iodine blend is important for our health.
> 
> Annie
> Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh
> 
> 
> Norton, Steve wrote:
>> Annie,
>> Many sell their own Lugol's type iodine. I think they are all
>> interchangeable. It is simple to make your own. I make my own using
>> iodine and potassium iodide I get on eBay. For how much of each, see
> the
>> formulas at http://www.altcancer.com/lugols.htm#formula.
>>  - Steve N


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CS>HGH Stacks and Secretagogues

Does anyone have any actual info on HGH supplement theory?  I'm
looking into it but am finding a lot of hype and it is difficult to
know where to find good info.

As far as products, I certainly want something less than $50 per
month.  I can find some amino acid stacks, and some with less aminos
and some secretagogues, but with more hormone precursors which will
probably not be tolerable, etc...

Dan

As far as hormone precursors, see below:

Must work but I stopped taking it, June 20, 2008

By Anonymous

"I started taking 5 pills a day and soon after my wife requested me to
stop. I definitely found this product gave me a short temper. It was
likely doing what it supposed to but soon the little things my wife
was doing kept getting on my nerves. Like breathing in and out, in and
out. :)  I may try a smaller dosage in the future once my wifes bags
are unpacked."


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Re: CS>Dr. Oz, on bioterror attack.

2010-02-09 Thread Bob Banever

CS should be effective against these so long as they are single celled 
organisms.  In addition, I would add MMS to the list of antedotes.  MMS (dilute 
chlorine dioxide) is very effective against any and all bacteria and virus.  
Google MMS for more info.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Day Sutton 
  To: Silver Post 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:10 PM
  Subject: CS>Dr. Oz, on bioterror attack.

  I have read reports recently that not only Al Quaida, but also possible 
China, would use bioterror on us. The three that would be most likely used are: 
 Anthrax, Bubonic Plague, and Botulism.  Is CS/EIS effective treatment for 
these??  Now is the time to find out..If you don't know how to make your own, 
ask on the Silver-List..

http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/are-you-prepared-next-bioterror-attack?page=2#copy

  -- 
  Day Sutton
  day.sut...@gmail.com

Re: CS>HGH Stacks and Secretagogues

2010-02-09 Thread John E. Stevens

I've been using an HGH activator for about five years.  My hair which was
all gray by the time I was 30 is now all blond again at 68.  I find no
downsides to the HGH I'm using and early on I tried a few, but have stuck
with the one I'm using for the last five years.  I read the info supplied by
my "dealer" and much of what was listed has happened in time.

John

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:

> Does anyone have any actual info on HGH supplement theory?  I'm
> looking into it but am finding a lot of hype and it is difficult to
> know where to find good info.
>
> As far as products, I certainly want something less than $50 per
> month.  I can find some amino acid stacks, and some with less aminos
> and some secretagogues, but with more hormone precursors which will
> probably not be tolerable, etc...
>
> Dan
>
> As far as hormone precursors, see below:
>
> Must work but I stopped taking it, June 20, 2008
>
> By Anonymous
>
> "I started taking 5 pills a day and soon after my wife requested me to
> stop. I definitely found this product gave me a short temper. It was
> likely doing what it supposed to but soon the little things my wife
> was doing kept getting on my nerves. Like breathing in and out, in and
> out. :)  I may try a smaller dosage in the future once my wifes bags
> are unpacked."
>
>
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Re: CS>Fwd: request your help

2010-02-09 Thread John E. Stevens

Seems like you're the scaremonger and name-caller.  I don't pay any
attention to your nonsense.  You're a bad joke!

John

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Alchemysa  wrote:

> The problem is that Barwick/Jones newsletters and readouts are
> scaremongering, misleading bull.  Furthermore he writes in that miracle
> cure/snake oil style that will bring the FDA down on the whole CS business.
>
> How does that help' the movement'?
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: "John E. Stevens" 
>> Date: 9 February 2010 6:13:07 AM
>>
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: request your help
>>
>>
>> Do you ever get any read-outs or newsletters from any CSW machine makers
>> that overall help the CSW movement?  I've never seen another one on this
>> list.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
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Re: CS>HGH Stacks and Secretagogues

Is it possible to list the ingredients and amounts, of is it too much work?...

Thanks,

Dan

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:54 PM, John E. Stevens
 wrote:
> I've been using an HGH activator for about five years.  My hair which was
> all gray by the time I was 30 is now all blond again at 68.  I find no
> downsides to the HGH I'm using and early on I tried a few, but have stuck
> with the one I'm using for the last five years.  I read the info supplied by
> my "dealer" and much of what was listed has happened in time.
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have any actual info on HGH supplement theory?  I'm
>> looking into it but am finding a lot of hype and it is difficult to
>> know where to find good info.
>>
>> As far as products, I certainly want something less than $50 per
>> month.  I can find some amino acid stacks, and some with less aminos
>> and some secretagogues, but with more hormone precursors which will
>> probably not be tolerable, etc...
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> As far as hormone precursors, see below:
>>
>> Must work but I stopped taking it, June 20, 2008
>>
>> By Anonymous
>>
>> "I started taking 5 pills a day and soon after my wife requested me to
>> stop. I definitely found this product gave me a short temper. It was
>> likely doing what it supposed to but soon the little things my wife
>> was doing kept getting on my nerves. Like breathing in and out, in and
>> out. :)  I may try a smaller dosage in the future once my wifes bags
>> are unpacked."
>>
>>
>> --
>> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.
>>
>> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org
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>>
>> The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...
>>
>> List maintainer: Mike Devour 
>>
>>
>
>

RE: CS>HGH Stacks and Secretagogues