CSear infection
Gina, you can use an illuminating red LED(light emitting diode) inside the ear for as long as the girl would allow it. Someone with technical skills can connect it to a small flat 3-volt battery and you can fix the whole thing to the ear(or head). Simeon - Видя ли новите параметри на плановете на СуперХостинг.БГ? 6 555 MB дисково пространство, 65 GB трафик на месец, 50 пощ. кутии, 11 домейна на един акаунт... и всичко това отново САМО за 3,75 лв./месец! http://www.superhosting.bg/web-hosting-new-hosting-plans-2010-02.php -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSear infection
I have had marvellous almost instant, results with using CS and DMSO actually dropping it in the ear. dee On 13 Feb 2010, at 00:29, Gina Moore wrote: So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don’t do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc… I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she’s only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture – any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I’m up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles
Actually Dave, I believe I said that *raw* milk was good for you! Not that I would drink it anyway, as I just don't like milk! Can't stand the awful smell! dee On 13 Feb 2010, at 01:10, Dave Darrin wrote: Lisa ,John,Dee and all other milk bashers; Since every one is different a blanket statement like that is not always true. I have never had a mucous build up from milk. It's the only thing that makes me feel refreshed, Not water or juice. I drink a tall glass with every meal and sometimes in between. Back in the good old days about 45 years ago I was a heavy drinker. I was snowed-in in Idaho for a winter and the tavern owner in the ghost town (seasonal) left the bunker keys, where he stored the beer,with me as he thought I would go into withdrawal and we could settle up in the spring. I never opened the bunker,the only thing I craved was a tall cold glass of milk so I walked and skied 16 miles to a dairy farm and packed home two gallons of milk,OH WAS that good! Dave O -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver for lyme and babesia
At 12:46 PM 2/12/2010 -0500, you wrote: Thanks everyone for addressing my question on the difference between brands and home made silver! Looks like I should stick with my home made. One question: Steve N. said the following I see nothing special about ACS. The ACS kill test data shows a 3 min. kill time for ACS vs 60 minutes for Sovereign Silver. But ACS is 200 ppm vs Sovereign Silver's 10 ppm. Just based on ppm alone I would expect ACS to be 20 times faster and sure enough that is what the results show, If ACS is diluted to 10 ppm I would expect it would take 60 minutes too. And the 5 hours for Mesosilver is as expected too. It is known that it takes time for silver particles to release enough ions to kill pathogens and sure enough the data shows it. Nothing new in the test data. EIS would be comparable to ACS if both were at the same ppm. Here's my question: My Silvergen machine is putting out about 12 ppm. Would flooding my body with my silver solution be just as good as taking small quantities of the ACS or and Mesosilver? Any idea how much I would need to take of the silvergen solution to have it be on the same level of the other two? Also - I'm really sorry - I'm super spacey and don't remember if someone explained this to me: Is EIS the same thing I make with my silvergen? Or do I have to do something to my silvergen solution to make it into EIS? I remember someone saying something about adding peroxide. If so, could you share any directions? Thanks Ode Cayote: You said Could be Tetrasilver Tetroxide by another name. Are those two brands brownish? What is tetrasilver tetroxide, and is that a good thing or a bad thing? ## I've never bought any of any of them, but silver oxides are generally yellow to brown to black in color. Silver Tet has a patent as a germ killer..if that means anything. I've heard some positive testimonials and no negatives ones that I recall. Ode Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSear infection
Is she eating dairy? Sometimes a culprit. Hubby from Italy said snake skin put in the ears always healed his earaches. I would try pet store to see if they have and just hold it there. Warm garlic oil may help too. I have not had these problems with kids or self. The garlic/mullin oil have heard of. Also www.brigittemars.com has book I believe on kids health. May go to amazon to get name and library or bookstore may have it or online. It has to be so painful for a young one. Carol From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 10:17:15 PM Subject: Re: CSear infection Do you have a heating pad? After you put the luke warm oil in, let her lay on a slightly warm pad and betcha she goes to sleep. Let us know tomorrow, ok? Be praying in the meantime for her. Bless her heart! Leslie - Original Message - From: kath To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:25 PM Subject: RE: CSear infection I’ve used garlic/mullin oil from the health food store for ear infections. Kathy From:Gina Moore [mailto:vegasmom...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:30 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSear infection So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don’t do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc… I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she’s only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture – any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I’m up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
How long did it take before you got a cold after stopping eis? My wife stopped for a week and picked up some sort of stomach/intestinal virus. Either that or there is a gastro-intestinal side effect of stopping. - Original Message From: cyndiann cyndia...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 5:21:37 PM Subject: Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? Richard Goodwin wrote: Anybody ever have any side effects after the STOPPED taking EIS after drinking it daily for a long time? Yeah, I catch a cold. I don't think it is a side effect though, I think I just lose my protection from germs. Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSear infection
I would get the book the Missing Diagnosis by C. Orian Truss, M.D. and use his method. Also check out candidiasis. --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Gina Moore vegasmom...@cox.net wrote: From: Gina Moore vegasmom...@cox.net Subject: CSear infection To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:29 PM So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don’t do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc… I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she’s only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture – any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I’m up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
Re: CSear infection
I was watching the Dr Oz show the other day and he says his family uses the Peroxide for eat infections, also one tip from one of the audience (which Dr. OZ says is good) is to put a clove of glaric in the ear at night and take it out in the morning. Good luck,.Kathy - Original Message - From: Donna To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 9:09 PM Subject: Re: CSear infection I hope you get it cleared up she can go deaf from an ear infection, alot of my cousins are because their parents didn't do doctors either. ECHINACEA Used as a tincture to reduce drainage and speed healing. GARLIC OIL Is applied to a cotton ball and placed inside ear to help fight infection. Put few drops of garlic juice into the infected ear. Use blow dryer from about 12 to 15 inches from your head, this will remove any water trapped in the Eustachian tube. Put some olive oil on the warm spoon; put 2 to 3 drops of this in each ear. Put few drops of lobelia extract into the infected ear and rub it gently. Wash your ear using colloidal silver, it is a natural antibiotic. Slightly warm one teaspoon of juice of the mango leaf and put it into the infected ear drop by drop. Take vitamin C to boost your immune system, it will help you to combat infection. Increase Zinc intake, it reduces ear infection. Eat a healthy diet with lots of calcium in it. Avoid processed foods and hydrogenated oils. Donna ACS So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don't do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc. I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she's only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture - any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I'm up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
Re: CSsilver for babesia and lyme
Hi Greg. Of course, no one can guarantee anything -- but I've successfully used EIS for EPM in horses -- which is a protozoal infection. MA From: Greg Ball granb...@msn.com By the way, does anyone know if silver works on babesia, which is a form of malaria and it's a protazoan. Thanks
Re: CSear infection 02
I have done the o2 thing for years with great results, even on my small grandbabies, Debbie From: Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 9:36:28 AM Subject: Re: CSear infection I was watching the Dr Oz show the other day and he says his family uses the Peroxide for eat infections, also one tip from one of the audience (which Dr. OZ says is good) is to put a clove of glaric in the ear at night and take it out in the morning. Good luck,.Kathy - Original Message - From: Donna To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 9:09 PM Subject: Re: CSear infection I hope you get it cleared up she can go deaf from an ear infection, alot of my cousins are because their parents didn't do doctors either. ECHINACEA Used as a tincture to reduce drainage and speed healing. GARLIC OIL Is applied to a cotton ball and placed inside ear to help fight infection. Put few drops of garlic juice into the infected ear. Use blow dryer from about 12 to 15 inches from your head, this will remove any water trapped in the Eustachian tube. Put some olive oil on the warm spoon; put 2 to 3 drops of this in each ear. Put few drops of lobelia extract into the infected ear and rub it gently. Wash your ear using colloidal silver, it is a natural antibiotic. Slightly warm one teaspoon of juice of the mango leaf and put it into the infected ear drop by drop. Take vitamin C to boost your immune system, it will help you to combat infection. Increase Zinc intake, it reduces ear infection. Eat a healthy diet with lots of calcium in it. Avoid processed foods and hydrogenated oils. Donna ACS So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don’t do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc… I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she’s only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture – any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I’m up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
Richard Goodwin wrote: How long did it take before you got a cold after stopping eis? My wife stopped for a week and picked up some sort of stomach/intestinal virus. Either that or there is a gastro-intestinal side effect of stopping. I've had it happen several times and it took at least 3 weeks till I got sick. I've never had a stomach problem linked to it. Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSear infection
cut onion in half, put in oven for just a while then put a bit of the juice down in the ear and the warn half onion over the ear
Re: CSear infection
How long have you been using the CSW? John On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Gina Moore vegasmom...@cox.net wrote: So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don’t do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc… I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she’s only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture – any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I’m up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
CSW will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily. i suggest using it whenever a cold or infection starts and when you are well, pass on it. John On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Marshalee Hallett utahpug...@gmail.comwrote: I too will catch a cold, and get UTIs, and my dog`s breath starts getting stinky again when she doesn`t get it for a week or so. CS is a preventive. I take it about 3 times a week, or more if anything is going around. Almost 14 years now! So far, so wonderful!! Marshalee On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: Anybody ever have any side effects after the STOPPED taking EIS after drinking it daily for a long time?
Re: CSear infection 02
Dr. Oz may have some good info, but I'm not a fan. He has 150,000 stocks in vaccines and I'm not a vaccine loading fan, either. seems a bit hypocitical to me. John On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: I have done the o2 thing for years with great results, even on my small grandbabies, Debbie -- *From:* Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sat, February 13, 2010 9:36:28 AM *Subject:* Re: CSear infection I was watching the Dr Oz show the other day and he says his family uses the Peroxide for eat infections, also one tip from one of the audience (which Dr. OZ says is good) is to put a clove of glaric in the ear at night and take it out in the morning. Good luck,.Kathy - Original Message - *From:* Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2010 9:09 PM *Subject:* Re: CSear infection I hope you get it cleared up she can go deaf from an ear infection, alot of my cousins are because their parents didn't do doctors either. ECHINACEA http://www.herbalremediesinfo.com/Echinacea.html Used as a tincture to reduce drainage and speed healing. GARLIC OIL http://www.herbalremediesinfo.com/GARLIC.html Is applied to a cotton ball and placed inside ear to help fight infection. Put few drops of garlic juice into the infected ear. Use blow dryer from about 12 to 15 inches from your head, this will remove any water trapped in the Eustachian tube. Put some olive oil on the warm spoon; put 2 to 3 drops of this in each ear. Put few drops of lobelia extract into the infected ear and rub it gently. Wash your ear using colloidal silver, it is a natural antibiotic. Slightly warm one teaspoon of juice of the mango leaf and put it into the infected ear drop by drop. Take vitamin C to boost your immune system, it will help you to combat infection. Increase Zinc intake, it reduces ear infection. Eat a healthy diet with lots of calcium in it. Avoid processed foods and hydrogenated oils. Donna ACS So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don’t do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc… I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she’s only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture – any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I’m up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
CSsilver for babesia and lyme
__ Wow Steve - Thanks so much for taking the time to explain that! I'm going to print that off and study it, as well as the info on the links you gave me. Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:29:55 -0800 From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #188 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Greg, A good place to start is by determining how much silver ACS recommends using. That is much more important than the actual ppm of the solution. Ppm is mostly useful for determining how much silver one is taking. The recommended dosage for ACS 200 is: * An initial dose of 1 to 2 ounces. One ounce of ACS 200 contains 5.9 mg of silver. Then you take one of the following Daily doses: * 5 sprays, 2 -3 times daily for a normal dosage. At three times a day that would equal 0.48 mg of silver * 10 sprays, 4 times daily for a therapeutic dosage. That would equal 1.28 mg of silver. ASAP silver uses H2O2 combined with their CS (EIS). To make CS equivalent to the ASAP follow Marshall's directions at the link below. You use the CS you make with your Silvergen but wait two days after making the CS before adding the 3% H2O2. ASAP uses more H2O2 but I don't know that that will make a difference. It might, by increasing the silver oxide content, which appears to provide the oomph of their product (per their patent). Marshall's paper: http://www.quantumbalancing.com/real_facts_on_colloidal_silver.htm How does H2O2 affect EIS? When H2O2 is added to EIS (one or two drops per glass of EIS), it will be noted that there is an immediate clearing effect. The Tyndall (what you see if you shine a laser pointer though the liquid) will become very faint as well. If the ppm of the EIS is sufficiently high (25 to 30 ppm) a white cloudy precipitate may form as well. There are a number of reactions that occur. H2O2 is normally thought of as an oxidizer, but it can act as a reducer as well. Also silver is considered a catalyst for H2O2, but in actuality gets directly involved in the reactions. The H2O2 reacts with the silver particles, producing ionic silver, a combination of silver hydroxide and silver oxide. This makes the large particles disappear, reducing the tyndall. However H2O2 also reacts with the silver oxide and silver hydroxide producing a 2 atom colloid of silver plus oxygen (and water in the case of silver hydroxide). Over time this 2 atom colloidal particle can end up being converted back to silver oxide and silver hydroxide, and so forth. The final result is a mixture of ionic silver (hydroxide and oxide) and very small colloidal particles. Thus if you add H2O2 to freshly made EIS, you can sometimes see the oxygen bubble off, and the tyndall may change significantly. But more importantly, the particulate portion of the EIS will go from being medium or large particles to many more very small particles, and the particle content will increase from a typical 5-15% to around 30-50%. If you have a strong tyndall from large particles, it will decrease, and if you have a weak or no tyndall it will increase with the formation of the 2 atom particles. This enhances absorption, as well as effectiveness. Note that it is recommended to let the EIS sit for 5 or more minutes if you do add H2O2 to it to let it stabilize. The amounts equivalent to the ACS doses, for your 12 ppm CS are: For 5.9 mg of silver take 16.9 ounces of 12 ppm CS. For 0.40 mg of silver take 1.1 ounces of 12 ppm CS For 1.28 mg of silver take 3.5 ounces of 12 ppm CS I think that those amounts will be equal to or better than what you will get with ACS 200 or Mesosilver. However, personally I would reduce the initial and therapeutic dosages to something lower. I would cut both in half. For the initial dose, I would take 4 oz of CS with H2O2 in the morning followed at least 3 hours later by 4 oz of CS in 8 oz of Gatorade. I would also cut the therapeutic dosage in half and split it between CS/H2O2 and CS/Gatorade. Again taken at different times. The CS/Gatorade combination will provide some silver citrate to your daily dose. Personally, I think that is a beneficial addition. Take a look at the kill times ACS 200 publishes: http://www.resultsrna.com/research/acs_200_comparing_kill_kinetics_of_the_leading_antimicrobials.php Now look at kill times for 30 ppm silver citrate: http://www.purebio.com/products/sdc_hard_surface The kill times of the 30 ppm silver citrate are equal to those of 200 ppm ACS 200. I would expect the use of Gatorade will give you equal to or better performance while reducing the total amount of silver consumed daily. It also keeps average silver consumed to less than 1 mg per day, something I recommend. The last part with Gatorade is just my personal opinion. Others may not agree. - Steve N
Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles
Dave: It's obvious you may not be aware of where the mucus builds up. Not only in your lungs and throat, but in your intestinal track. and none of the mucus is good anywhere. We're not milk bashers,' just aware of the dangers of both homog/past and raw milk. You, obviously, can think and believe what you wish, but milk is just another junk food, as has been proven scientifically by Dr. William Campbell Douglass II and other scientists and doctors. Rice or coconut milk is much better for anyone. John On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Lisa ,John,Dee and all other milk bashers; Since every one is different a blanket statement like that is not always true. I have never had a mucous build up from milk. It's the only thing that makes me feel refreshed, Not water or juice. I drink a tall glass with every meal and sometimes in between. Back in the good old days about 45 years ago I was a heavy drinker. I was snowed-in in Idaho for a winter and the tavern owner in the ghost town (seasonal) left the bunker keys, where he stored the beer,with me as he thought I would go into withdrawal and we could settle up in the spring. I never opened the bunker,the only thing I craved was a tall cold glass of milk so I walked and skied 16 miles to a dairy farm and packed home two gallons of milk,OH WAS that good! Dave On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: And yes I guess that was my fault believing that that part was “understood”. Raw milk is way better for you than store bought…but still one should never use it as their primary source liquid (due to the mucous factor). L -- *From:* John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2010 12:13 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles Not really... better than the super homenized and the super pasteurized, but who ever told you milk, even raw milk is good for you? Too much mucus formation from all of it - raw - or the other junk food. John On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: Ah…but *raw* milk IS good for you! L -- *From:* John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:18 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles Hi, Sandee: The Chinese may have not known anything about colloidal silver water killing bacteria in milk until recently. Personally, I think milk is junk food and I never drink it. At first I went to Rice Milk and eventually to Coconut Milk which is what I use on my cereal these days. Our milk in the states is too over processed - over pasteurizd and over homogenized. From my research there isn't anything good, nutrient-wise, that one can digest and metabolize. The vitamin D, calcium and other nutrients just wash through the body unused, for the most part. The enzymes in the milk are dead, so there is no way to digest it. Milk causes too much mucus to build up in the body. And the mucus is not good. Sad, because I am a cheese lover. Yes, I am a Hulda R. Clark reader and follower and what she had to say about milk is correct. Dr. William Campbell Douglass II says the same thing, but there are so many folks in this country, and other countries, that falsely believe milk is 'good for you, it's hard getting the truth out there. Off with that phony milk mustache John On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There John, EIS is a preservative, it is an anti bacterial, so why would it take so long for them to use it in milk, since I started making EIS, if I do have any milk around, the first thing that happens is about 6 drops of EIS goes into the bottle/carton and it keeps, and I know it is rid of any impurities that may be there, if you have read and studied Hulda Clark's work she makes it very clear what milk contains and why adults do not need, and in fact use milk to their detriment Knowledge unused is a waste of time Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
At 09:18 AM 2/13/2010, you wrote: CSW will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily. i suggest using it whenever a cold or infection starts and when you are well, pass on it. Nope, it does not. Not in humans. sol
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
Are you sure, Sol? Where is your proof? John On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:40 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: At 09:18 AM 2/13/2010, you wrote: CSW will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily. i suggest using it whenever a cold or infection starts and when you are well, pass on it. Nope, it does not. Not in humans. sol
Re: CSear infection
Hello Gina, If you have access to sodium chlorite (NaClO2) and citric acid you can effectively and safely kill the infection in a few hours. The ear needs to first be cleaned out, as best as possible. With a young child and an infection, cleaning may be more of a problem than treating, but the treatment is more effective if an attempt is made to clean first. In a small glass mix 2.5 ml of 5% sodium chlorite solution with 2.5 ml of 10% citric acid solution wait 10 minutes, then add this to 250 ml of water. Using a small syringe, dribble this mixture into the ear and try to hold everything still for 30 seconds. Then the head can be returned to normal position and the mixture can be shaken out. The infection should be killed off in two treatments, but it depends on how deep the biofilm layer is in the ear. You could try twice a day for three days and go from there. Adding the citric acid to sodium chlorite forms a chlorous acid solution containing chlorine dioxide. You want to avoid prolonged breathing of the chlorine dioxide fumes when mixing because it can irritate your airway. The solution you mix up has 300 PPM available chlorine dioxide with 30 PPM of that as free chlorine dioxide. The free chlorine dioxide kills the infection upon contact (well it actually takes 30 seconds...) and the residual left in the ear after shaking the head continues to release trace amounts of chlorine dioxide as new infection surfaces. The minute amount of chlorine dioxide remains as a protective gas layer against re-infection. It is also capable of penetrating biofilm and killing any infection hiding there. This is not only effective for human ear infections, but has also proved itself when dealing with antibiotic resistant ear infections in dogs and other animals. I have caught the attention of veterinary doctors who after giving up on ear infections after trying all the antibiotics they have available to them, have been astounded by seeing the infection eliminated in a few days. This mixture is only good for a month or so. In the event of another infection, you should mix up a new mixture. The sodium chlorite and citric acid chemicals are good for years as long as they are kept out of UV light and high temperatures. Store out of the reach of children, of course. Tom - Original Message - From: Gina Moore To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: CSear infection So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don't do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc. I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she's only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture - any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I'm up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
Re: CSear infection
Tried googling ear infection kids alternative / natural remedies... carol From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 9:16:12 AM Subject: Re: CSear infection How long have you been using the CSW? John On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Gina Moore vegasmom...@cox.net wrote: So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don’t do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a c
RE: CSsilver for babesia and lyme
What was the delivery method and amounts you used with your horses? Thanks Bill Corley www.mofoxtrot.com/twinspringsfarm The only thing more powerful than walking your talk is walking your walk without having to talk the talk. -- Alan Cohen -Original Message- From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsilver for babesia and lyme Hi Greg. Of course, no one can guarantee anything -- but I've successfully used EIS for EPM in horses -- which is a protozoal infection. MA From: Greg Ball granb...@msn.com By the way, does anyone know if silver works on babesia, which is a form of malaria and it's a protazoan. Thanks -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSear infection
Why are your emails coming out in huge writing? dee On 13 Feb 2010, at 16:51, carolG wrote: Tried googling ear infection kids alternative / natural remedies... carol
Re: CSsilver for babesia and lyme
Two cups, twice a day, 5-10 ppm, added to feed. Used absorbent feed products like pellets, rolled oats, etc. MA From: William Corley wcorl...@hughes.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 10:55:27 AM Subject: RE: CSsilver for babesia and lyme What was the delivery method and amounts you used with your horses? Thanks Bill Corley www.mofoxtrot.com/twinspringsfarm The only thing more powerful than walking your talk is walking your walk without having to talk the talk. -- Alan Cohen -Original Message- From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsilver for babesia and lyme Hi Greg. Of course, no one can guarantee anything -- but I've successfully used EIS for EPM in horses -- which is a protozoal infection. MA From: Greg Ball granb...@msn.com By the way, does anyone know if silver works on babesia, which is a form of malaria and it's a protazoan. Thanks -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #189
How long have you been using CS? I have been trying it for a while now and haven't had any noticeable effect for any ailments of mine. Though I would like to say peroxide in the ears do work well for my family. If the ear infection gets to bad, don't hesitate to go to the doctor. Hate to see little ones suffer. Regards, Josh *From:* Gina Moore [mailto:vegasmom...@cox.net] *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2010 7:30 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* CSear infection So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don’t do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc… I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she’s only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture – any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I’m up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
Where is your proof that it does My understanding is that silver ions and particles must be able to contact bacteria, viruses, and fungi in a liquid medium to kill them. In the lower intestines of humans where our beneficial gut bacteria normally live the intestinal contents are too dry for silver to kill them in any significant way. In the upper GI, stomach, small intestine, where the gut contents are still liquid--any bacteria there are pathogens and I am happy to kill them off if they are trying to colonize there. I used to have a link to a sloppy and improperly done study claiming that silver will not kill so called beneficial gut bacteria, but since it was done with the silver imobilized in the agar/gel medium they grew the beneficial bacteria on, it only proved that in a solid medium silver won't kill anything. It is not that silver cannot kill our gut bacteria, it just doesn't because of the non-liquid state of the contents where those bacteria normally live. This is also why silver isn't very good at killing candida in the bowel. Marshall and others here can explain it better than I can, and will, I hope, correct me if I am in error, but my personal experience with taking large quantities of CS daily for 2.5 years or more is that it does not harm the lower gut bacteria. I'm sure someone here may have references, I no longer have actual references, gone in various computer crashes over the years, but I am confident in my personal experience even without references. The must be in liquid hypothesis is re-inforced by the fact that a large slug of CS taken for diarrhea stops it very quickly--in me within 30 min to a max of an hour or so. The reason it can do that, is that when real water diarrhea is present, a glass of CS can pass clear through the gut. Or that is the idea. I've never seen it come out the other end, LOL, because the problem stops so fast. YMMV, but this is my opinion and experience, sol t 09:41 AM 2/13/2010, you wrote: Are you sure, Sol? Where is your proof? John On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:40 AM, sol mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.comsol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Nope, it does not. Not in humans. sol
RE: CSear infection
Ive been giving her CS for several months now, along with the other supplements. I forgot to mention salt (Real Salt) as well. I also probably should mention that I have Lyme, and she probably does as well. Just heard today that ear infections are common in Lyme. That fits since my son had a lot of ear infections as a baby/toddler. Thanks! Gina _ From: John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSear infection How long have you been using the CSW? John On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Gina Moore vegasmom...@cox.net wrote: So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I dont do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but shes only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? Im up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
RE: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
I think you'd better follow that up with an explanation of how much it *MAY* take to *POSSIBLY* do this, just in case there's anyone out there who may not be as familiar with EIS as we are and gets the wrong idea. Wild statements such as this have a tendancy to put the frighteners up people who may not know any better. There may well be some extremely savvy EIS producers and users among us, but then again, I would hope there are a LOT MORE out there who are NOT as savvy, and can come in here to learn the truth about some things EIS related, I'd hate the thought that they come in here and read the same rubbish as they can anywhere else in the public domain. I'd like to believe this group is a little better than that. Anyone who comes in here should leave public domain baggage outside and start afresh asking questions and discussing things with people who DO know a little something about EIS...did someone mention a 'movement' a little while ago? I'm not having a go either, so you don't need to jump off your bike, I just don't want to hear stuff like that in here without suitable explanation from *personal experience* rather than just making broad statements which may have been brought in here from outside sources. That way one is passing on valuable information which would assist others. If you've had a personal experience, then let's have it so I can learn something. N. Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:18:06 -0500 Subject: Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? From: jonellis.steven...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com CSW will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily. i suggest using it whenever a cold or infection starts and when you are well, pass on it. John On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Marshalee Hallett utahpug...@gmail.com wrote: I too will catch a cold, and get UTIs, and my dog`s breath starts getting stinky again when she doesn`t get it for a week or so. CS is a preventive. I take it about 3 times a week, or more if anything is going around. Almost 14 years now! So far, so wonderful!! Marshalee On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: Anybody ever have any side effects after the STOPPED taking EIS after drinking it daily for a long time? _ If it exists, you'll find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/
Re: CSear infection
poast, This sounds like a more dilute form of MMS. What would you think of making a mixture of say 2 drops activated 28% sodium chlorite (activated with 10% citric acid, 10 drops total) and 4 oz water? This should be dilute enough to put in the ear as well. Bob - Original Message - From: poast To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: CSear infection Hello Gina, If you have access to sodium chlorite (NaClO2) and citric acid you can effectively and safely kill the infection in a few hours. The ear needs to first be cleaned out, as best as possible. With a young child and an infection, cleaning may be more of a problem than treating, but the treatment is more effective if an attempt is made to clean first. In a small glass mix 2.5 ml of 5% sodium chlorite solution with 2.5 ml of 10% citric acid solution wait 10 minutes, then add this to 250 ml of water. Using a small syringe, dribble this mixture into the ear and try to hold everything still for 30 seconds. Then the head can be returned to normal position and the mixture can be shaken out. The infection should be killed off in two treatments, but it depends on how deep the biofilm layer is in the ear. You could try twice a day for three days and go from there. Adding the citric acid to sodium chlorite forms a chlorous acid solution containing chlorine dioxide. You want to avoid prolonged breathing of the chlorine dioxide fumes when mixing because it can irritate your airway. The solution you mix up has 300 PPM available chlorine dioxide with 30 PPM of that as free chlorine dioxide. The free chlorine dioxide kills the infection upon contact (well it actually takes 30 seconds...) and the residual left in the ear after shaking the head continues to release trace amounts of chlorine dioxide as new infection surfaces. The minute amount of chlorine dioxide remains as a protective gas layer against re-infection. It is also capable of penetrating biofilm and killing any infection hiding there. This is not only effective for human ear infections, but has also proved itself when dealing with antibiotic resistant ear infections in dogs and other animals. I have caught the attention of veterinary doctors who after giving up on ear infections after trying all the antibiotics they have available to them, have been astounded by seeing the infection eliminated in a few days. This mixture is only good for a month or so. In the event of another infection, you should mix up a new mixture. The sodium chlorite and citric acid chemicals are good for years as long as they are kept out of UV light and high temperatures. Store out of the reach of children, of course. Tom - Original Message - From: Gina Moore To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: CSear infection So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don't do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc. I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she's only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture - any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I'm up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
Re: CSear infection
Hi Tom. I'm interested in your comment This mixture is only good for a month or so Are you saying the original mix of sodium chlorite and citric acid as a liquid form is good for one month? Jim Humble says that the chlorine dioxide made when SC and CA are mixed together will only be viable for a couple hours. He use to say it was active for 12 hours, but has since said only 2 to 3. So if that is true, then keeping a mix for a month renders it nothing more than water. Or perhaps you meant something else? Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- From: Bob Banever Date: 2/13/2010 6:00:03 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSear infection poast, This sounds like a more dilute form of MMS. What would you think of making a mixture of say 2 drops activated 28% sodium chlorite (activated with 10% citric acid, 10 drops total) and 4 oz water? This should be dilute enough to put in the ear as well. Bob - Original Message - From: poast To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: CSear infection Hello Gina, If you have access to sodium chlorite (NaClO2) and citric acid you can effectively and safely kill the infection in a few hours. The ear needs to first be cleaned out, as best as possible. With a young child and an infection, cleaning may be more of a problem than treating, but the treatment is more effective if an attempt is made to clean first. In a small glass mix 2.5 ml of 5% sodium chlorite solution with 2.5 ml of 10% citric acid solution wait 10 minutes, then add this to 250 ml of water. Using a small syringe, dribble this mixture into the ear and try to hold everything still for 30 seconds. Then the head can be returned to normal position and the mixture can be shaken out. The infection should be killed off in two treatments, but it depends on how deep the biofilm layer is in the ear. You could try twice a day for three days and go from there. Adding the citric acid to sodium chlorite forms a chlorous acid solution containing chlorine dioxide. You want to avoid prolonged breathing of the chlorine dioxide fumes when mixing because it can irritate your airway. The solution you mix up has 300 PPM available chlorine dioxide with 30 PPM of that as free chlorine dioxide. The free chlorine dioxide kills the infection upon contact (well it actually takes 30 seconds...) and the residual left in the ear after shaking the head continues to release trace amounts of chlorine dioxide as new infection surfaces. The minute amount of chlorine dioxide remains as a protective gas layer against re-infection. It is also capable of penetrating biofilm and killing any infection hiding there. This is not only effective for human ear infections, but has also proved itself when dealing with antibiotic resistant ear infections in dogs and other animals. I have caught the attention of veterinary doctors who after giving up on ear infections after trying all the antibiotics they have available to them, have been astounded by seeing the infection eliminated in a few days. This mixture is only good for a month or so. In the event of another infection, you should mix up a new mixture. The sodium chlorite and citric acid chemicals are good for years as long as they are kept out of UV light and high temperatures. Store out of the reach of children, of course. Tom - Original Message - From: Gina Moore To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: CSear infection So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I dont do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but shes only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? Im up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #189
Dear Gina, I do not know what else has been posted in answer to your question, so if I havemissed something please forgive me, but what you can do, and what has never failed for me: Go to the health food store (or online) and find Swedish Bitters, it is a liquid blend of herbal extracts made by a co. called NatureWorks. Nothing that I know of will work better or faster. None of the copycat bitters blends will do for this either. Put some into a dropper bottle,and drop it directly into the little one's ears undiluted. It should stop the pain for her almost immediately and will get to work killing the infection too. You can put a little cotton in there to keep it from running out. Swedish Bittershas never failed to remove an ear infection for me, nor for anyone else adult or infant, in my large extended family. Swedish Bitters is a wonderful thing to have in your medicine cabinet- I wouldn't be without it. To read more of the many things it is good for, you can find the large-format paperback book entitled "Health Through God's Pharmacy", by Maria Treben. If you can get her to gargle and/or wash her mouth out with your CS that will hitthe Eustachian Tubesfrom an additional avenue and IMO althoughI have never done that I am sure itcould onlybe good. (Just in case something is coming from her teeth or throat or Tonsils, etc.) If you haul her to a doc and see that earwax is the problem, you can dissolve that with 1/2 Hydrogen Peroxide and 1/2 warmed Olive Oil, dropped into the ear and put some cotton in there to hold it in. It will fizz and "tingle", she'll probably get a kick out of it :). However, the Swedish Bitters will also get to work to dissolve wax as well. I know this will help if you will do it; I flew "hot suitcase" for years in my past professional life andbecame an expert on ears, since they were often a problem for me and I had to fly so much. Stay well, Linda :-) PS: Are we sure she hasn't stuck beans in there or anything else? LOL kids PPS: Feel free to email me offlist, as I think this is O/T- I was surprised to see it posted here. My apologies to the list, but I hate to see a little one suffer. -- -- Original message from Josh Armstrong josharmstr...@comcast.net: -- How long have you been using CS? I have been trying it for a while now and haven't had any noticeable effect for any ailments of mine. Though I would like to say peroxide in the ears do work well for my family. If the ear infection gets to bad, don't hesitate to go to the doctor. Hate to see little ones suffer. Regards, Josh *From:* Gina Moore [mailto:vegasmom...@cox.net] *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2010 7:30 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* CSear infection So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don’t do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc… I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she’s only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture – any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I’m up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CSusing silverpuppy question
I recieved the silverpuppy today and put in distilled water thats been prepared with activated charcoal, reverse osmosis, de-ionzation, steam distilled plus micro filtration sodium free, mineral content less than 1 ppm ozone protected , cleaned mason jar 32 oz with distilled water and turned on to auto mode and DC . green light came on and its been on almost 12 hr. and hasen't gone off yet. anyone know what is happening ? even a guess. Help thank you orv delany in portland or.
Re: CSusing silverpuppy question
Did the green light come on immediatly, or after it had been 'cooking' for awhile? Steve --- On Sun, 2/14/10, orv delany orv.del...@comcast.net wrote: From: orv delany orv.del...@comcast.net Subject: CSusing silverpuppy question To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 1:24 AM I recieved the silverpuppy today and put in distilled water thats been prepared with activated charcoal, reverse osmosis, de-ionzation, steam distilled plus micro filtration sodium free, mineral content less than 1 ppm ozone protected , cleaned mason jar 32 oz with distilled water and turned on to auto mode and DC . green light came on and its been on almost 12 hr. and hasen't gone off yet. anyone know what is happening ? even a guess. Help thank you orv delany in portland or.