Re: CS>How to make "gels"?

[poast]

Hello Lisa,

Not a gell but...

I "fortified" some Dr Bonners soap.  Does that count?

I concentrated some EIS from about 10 uS to about 30 uS then added that to the 
soap.  I would think you could do something similar for the gell.  I 
concentrated the solution by heating it and evaporating some of the water off.

I don't have a way to measure PPM so I am just giving measurements in 
conductivity.  The idea is that the more ions in the water the more conductive 
it will be.

Tom


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  Subject: CS>How to make "gels"?


  Hi All,

   

  With the last post (regarding hemorrhoids) and the use of a gel.the question 
I have is how to make one? I know that folks are using CS as a gel.and I would 
love to know how to go about doing so? I've got a variety of different 
ingredients around that may work but would love to know what folks are using 
and doing to accomplish theirs?

   

  Thanks in advance.

   

  Lisa

Re: CS>A couple of Questions

[Cathy39etc]

Thank you.  I did manage to find some references using  your suggestion, so 
will start from there.
Cathy
 
 
In a message dated 3/1/2010 12:57:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
bhangcha...@gmail.com writes:

Try  searching on:

"how to use colloidal silver" +Dan

This may not be  the final answer, but it is a place to start.

Dan

On Mon, Mar 1,  2010 at 12:11 PM,   wrote:
> Hello  Everyone,
>
> I decided to go with the Silver Puppy and so far I  really like it.  Had a
> few adventures before the final product  but so far so good.
>
> Question 1.  If the CS is  contaminated, how does it effect the product?  
The
> reason I am  asking is after it was finished I filled all the little 
bottles
> I  bought from Ken and it sat covered loosely with a paper towel for a  
few
> days and then I closed it up with the lid.  I did thoroughly  wash and 
then
> rinse 

Re: CS>Colloid Master??

[sol]

At 01:09 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote:

I'll leave a bit of "old brew"  in the jar for the next batch. How 
much would make the difference, and how long should it take? 3-4 
hours? instead of the 6+?


I remember reading a few posts about seeding, but it seems that it 
didn't make a difference for some, so I wonder what it all depends on.


It might depend on how much of the previous batch you leave behind to 
seed the next batch. I believe someone posted a long time ago a 
formula for this, might have been Terry Chamberlin? I think it was 
that leaving 1/4 of the previous batch will reduce brewing time by 
2/3 or similar, I can't remember it exactly, but since I first read 
it I have always left approx 1/4 of the previous batch. At first it 
may seem like this "wastes" CS you could be using, but for me it 
speeds up the brewing time so much it is worth it. It may be 
pertinent that I need to start with distilled water that is very 
pure. So if I didn't seed a batch at all, it will take a very long 
time indeed.

sol


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Re: CS>CS: Ulcer bacteria,H-Pylori

[sol]

At 10:08 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote:
My experience with low acid causing GERD was to take Betaine HCL 
500mgs.Starting with 1 cap. 15 minutes B4 first meal, next meal take 
2 caps 15 min B4,next meal 3 B4, keep doing this until a burning 
peppery feeling is reached,then back off 1 cap.I had to reach 7 B4 I 
got this feeling.This protocol was followed until the peppery burn 
was experienced with less and less number of capsules.Now I very 
rarely have to take one.AND this along with a radical change of diet 
put a welcome end to GERD,and H-Pylori, the Ulcer causing Bacteria.


I essentially cured my own reflux with Betaine HCL with pepsin, too, 
but I never had to take nearly that much. And I found I could take it 
right at the start of a meal, in the middle, or even after a meal and 
get the same benefit. I also no longer have to take it regularly, 
only once in a while as it seems to have "retrained" my stomach to 
produce its own acid? Or maybe the diet changes I made have helped.

sol


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Re: CS>Silver and Duodenal ulcers

[sol]

I remember a protocol from Brooks Bradley posted here a few years ago.
Maybe someone has it saved and can re-post it.

I followed MikeD's advice and tried searching the archives for it, 
but didn't find it. I also could not find it in the Brooks Bradley 
email collection I saved from Wayne Fugitt.

Maybe my memory is at fault.
sol

At 08:36 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote:

Will EIS help or heal duodenal ulcers? If so, how much is recommended?



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Re: CS>new source of Liposomal vitamin C

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I second that.  iHerb has amazing rates.   Even very heavy items -- 
coconut oil for example -- to Japan are cheap from iHerb, because they 
use a Japanese-based shipping company, Yamato transport.



On Tuesday, Mar 2, 2010, at 05:22 Asia/Tokyo, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

If I am on anywhere but iHerb I always go to checkout and find out 
what the postage is going to be. 



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Re: CS>Colloid Master??

[MaryAnn Helland]

And you're unhappy with your Colloid Master 
because..  LOL
MA





From: Golden Aldi goldena...@gmail.com

What I have done, after even an hour of brewing, is shine the laser pointer, 
and you can see the particles, so I know the water is taking the silver quite 
nicely, and plentiful, I might add.

I'm very happy with my CS, as I feel it does what it should do. I only drink a 
shot or two a few times a week, and it seems to have loosened plaque on my 
teeth! I don't usually have problems with getting the flu prior to my CS 
intake. I have shared it with friends and neighbors, and they are totally 
surprised at how its been working for them! They've been able to fight off the 
flu and go to work the next day, so the end product seems to do its job.




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CS>Public Meeting to Address Codex Committee on General Principles

[Annie B Smythe]

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/News_&_Events/NR_030110_01/index.asp

Public Meeting to Address Codex Committee on 
General Principles

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:08:37 -0600

The U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Office 
of Food Safety today announced a public meeting to 
provide information and receive comments on agenda 
items and draft U.S. positions that will be 
discussed at the 26th Session of the Codex 
Committee on General Principles (CCGP), to be held 
in Paris, France, April 12 - 16, 2010.


Annie
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Re: CS>new source of Liposomal vitamin C

[Kirsteen Wright]

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> It depends on how much it costs Kirsteen.  I order everything from iHerb
> which is in California I believe and the postage is as low as $4 if the
> weight is less than 3lbs.
>

That sounds good. They charge VAT on anything over £18 but they include the
cost of postage in that. I can cheerfully accept that - it was the extra £10
I had to pay the PO which seemed totally arbitrary to me. They couldn't even
explain it themselves - it was just pay up or don't get your parcel. They
did give me a phone no. I could phone to get an explanation but it was a
premium rate no so I gave up holding on before I spent even more than the
original cost. I guess they get you every which way :-)

I wanted to order the Silver Puppy but it's made me scared as I've no idea
what they'll add on so I don't know if I can afford it or not.

Cheers
Kirsteen

Re: CS>DMSO and Iodine

[Annie B Smythe]

I'd try straight Lugol's on them and see if 
that'll shrink them, or try the DMSO and Lugol's. 
And the mixture didn't burn me at all. I 
understand the Lugol's applied to keloid scars 
will reduce them. It might take a while, but I've 
read that it's effective. I haven't tried it 
myself yet. Although, I do notice that a scar that 
I've had on my forehead for years seems to be 
flattening out since I started taking the Lugol's 
internally. And I've been taking Lugol's for 
months now. Patience is required :)



Annie
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Donna wrote:
Any idea for venereal warts? I have a friend that has them all around 
the rectum and has tried the stuff the doctor give but it just made them 
smaller and now her doctor wants to burn them off and she wants to try 
to get rid of them herself.

Any suggestions I will pass on to her.
That area I have no idea because I know stuff would burn and smart 
there.and it is such a delicate area.

Thanks,
Donna ACS



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Re: CS>DMSO and Iodine

[Donna]

Any idea for venereal warts? I have a friend that has them all around 
the rectum and has tried the stuff the doctor give but it just made them 
smaller and now her doctor wants to burn them off and she wants to try 
to get rid of them herself.

Any suggestions I will pass on to her.
That area I have no idea because I know stuff would burn and smart 
there.and it is such a delicate area.

Thanks,
Donna ACS

Okay folks, I read about this somewhere last week, and tried it. It 
works great for me.


Since I had my two children, over twenty tears ago, I get a case of 
hemorrhoids every so often. I know, I know, I'm working on getting the 
blood vessels strengthened so that won't happen. I've tried a lot of 
things, but Silica, Gelatin, and Serrapeptase, along with Turmeric, 
after some trial and error, seem to helping the most. I'm adding grape 
seed extract and pine bark to that, to see what happens.


Anyway, I read somewhere that Lugol's and DMSO would do the trick. And 
by golly it does. It's the single most effective combo I've found to 
date. EMU oil helped a lot but didn't heal the area, although it did 
relieve pain, itching and and some of the swelling, for periods of 
time. I did have to reapply it several times a day though.


The Iodine and DMSO mixture is actually shrinking and healing the 
tissues. It's absolutely amazing. And the pain relief is near 
instantaneous upon application. And I apply it ONCE a day, every morning.


Now I know someone is gonna ask. So here's what I did. I had approx a 
fourth of a 16 oz jar of DMSO gel that I've been using, and I added 
three full droppers of Lugol's 2% to that. It will liquefy, so don't 
worry about it. Clean and dry the, e, area. Wet your fingers well 
with the mixture or use your choice of applicator, and apply liberally 
outside and a little inside. Lord have mercy I almost fell over from 
the sudden relief. I kid you not. Instant relief, well for me it 
worked that fast. YMMV.



I'm gob smacked that such a simple thing worked so very very well. And 
o so happy to have tried it out. I had tried DMSO by itself, and 
it didn't work all that well for me, but add the Lugol's and they're a 
dynamite combo.


Ya know what, this may work on spider veins, and varicose veins as 
well. Haven't tried that yet.



Annie



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Re: CS>Hair Loss - link here

[Annie B Smythe]

Thank you Steve, you're an amazing, never ending 
source of info:)

Much cheaper to make my own.

Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Norton, Steve wrote:

Here are some interesting links. The first one provides a LOT of info on 
laser/LED treatment theory. The second link provides DIY info on making your 
own unit for hair treatment that can also apply to healing units in general. 
The third is a cheap source for LEDs and 10 mw laser diodes. On the last one 
you will need to look for the laser link on the left.
I was shocked at the prices online for commercial LED/laser healing units. WOW!

 - Steve N




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RE: CS>Hair Loss - link here

[Norton, Steve]

Here are some interesting links. The first one provides a LOT of info on 
laser/LED treatment theory. The second link provides DIY info on making your 
own unit for hair treatment that can also apply to healing units in general. 
The third is a cheap source for LEDs and 10 mw laser diodes. On the last one 
you will need to look for the laser link on the left.
I was shocked at the prices online for commercial LED/laser healing units. WOW!

 - Steve N


https://plus37.safe-order.net/heelspurs/a/led/led_research.html

http://www.overmachogrande.com/

http://www.futurlec.com/LEDInfrared.shtml


-Original Message-
From: scl...@cox.net [mailto:scl...@cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:43 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Lisa
Subject: RE: CS>Hair Loss - link here

Hi Lisa,

I had to contract with a company in Asia to have the lasers custom made with 
milspec components and high grade optics. I suppose if you had all the 
machinery you could do it yourself. That is why they are much more expensive 
than the laser pens you see on ebay and elsewhere. The industrial grade 635nm 
diode is actually 10mw but exits the aperture at about 5mw. If you check 
pricing on industrial grade 10mw 635nm laser diodes you'll understand why the 
laser therapy pen is not cheap.
The LEDs discussed earlier DO work they just don't penetrate as deeply. If you 
are trying to save $ that's a good way to go. 

Sincerely
Steve
 Lisa  wrote: 

=
Hi Steve,

I know I'm interested in how you put your own laser unit together (and I'm
sure others would be too). Would you be willing to share the "how to"?

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: scl...@cox.net [mailto:scl...@cox.net] 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:43 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Annie B Smythe
Subject: Re: CS>Hair Loss - link here

My wife and I have also found low level laser therapy works well. Some folks
on the silver list have also used red LED lights for hair growth. I designed
my own laser unit and find it penetrates a little better than LEDs. Both
will work though.

http://www.freewebs.com/stevelevine/lasertherapypen.htm works well for pain
relief too

Steve

CS>Production of CS info?

[erika]

Hello Everyone!
I want to start making my own CS for myself and members of my co-op.
I'd like to know what your opinions are on a few subjects please.
 
What do you think the best CS generators are?
 
What is the best way to package the CS once it's made? - I'm confused on this 
one as one of your list members said not to package in glass but the generators 
make the CS in glass jars and all the over the counter CS is sold in glass 
containers
 
Is there a shelf life on CS? If so what is it?
 
In the early stages of R & D here :) 
 
Thanks!

Erika H. :)
www.RedAngelBordeaux.com
Ask me about my 
Home Made All Natural Dehydrated Beef Lung Treats
Red Angel Raw - An Arizona RAW Feeding Group 
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RedAngelRaw/

Re: CS>Colloid Master??

[Golden Aldi]

Mike, I'm glad you told me "how much" to seed with, cause I never would have
thought to take up to a quarter of a quart. I would have used much less.

What I have done, after even an hour of brewing, is shine the laser pointer,
and you can see the particles, so I know the water is taking the silver
quite nicely, and plentiful, I might add.

I'm very happy with my CS, as I feel it does what it should do. I only drink
a shot or two a few times a week, and it seems to have loosened plaque on my
teeth! I don't usually have problems with getting the flu prior to my CS
intake. I have shared it with friends and neighbors, and they are totally
surprised at how its been working for them! They've been able to fight off
the flu and go to work the next day, so the end product seems to do its job.

Aldi

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:47 PM, M. G. Devour  wrote:

>
>
> You'll have to tell us! If your water was "infinitely" pure, it might
> never accept the first silver ion and take forever to start, unseeded.
> Where it is on the scale of perfection is not for us to
> I would suggest just start with "some," maybe as much as a quarter or
> fifth of the old batch. If it doesn't make much difference, try more
> until it does.
>
> Well, perfection gets expensive. The big question is, does your CS do
> its job?
>
> Be well,
>
> Mike D.
>
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
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Re: CS>How to make "gels"?

[Golden Aldi]

Isn't there anything I could get here in Germany instead of ordering from
the States? I can't afford all of the postage. I'm also interested in mixing
the brew with different ingredients. I have an Aloe Vera plant that I'd like
to try, just don't know to what ratio, and/or adding it to another base
cream I could easily buy in the apothecary here.

Aldi

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Sandee George  wrote:

> Get a gel kit from Ode and make it yourself - it is available on his site
> Regards
> Sandee
>

Re: CS>Colloid Master??

[M. G. Devour]

Aldi,

> It could be that the water is super pure, as I first filter, then distill
> the water. 

You may be one of the lucky ones who doesn't have to work too hard to 
get good distilled water. 

> I'll leave a bit of "old brew"  in the jar for the next batch. How
> much would make the difference, and how long should it take? 3-4 hours?
> instead of the 6+? 

You'll have to tell us! If your water was "infinitely" pure, it might 
never accept the first silver ion and take forever to start, unseeded. 
Where it is on the scale of perfection is not for us to say. 

I would suggest just start with "some," maybe as much as a quarter or 
fifth of the old batch. If it doesn't make much difference, try more 
until it does.

If it shortens the cycle like you want, then reduce the amount bit by 
bit until the average run-time starts to grow unacceptably long again. 
Stop somewhere about there, whenever run-time and batch-size seem to be 
a reasonable tradeoff. 

> I would feel more sure of myself if I could test the ppm of the water
> in between, as to see if I could cut off the electricity, and so, also
> see how accurate (or not), the little green light is. 

Well, perfection gets expensive. The big question is, does your CS do 
its job?

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CS>new source of Liposomal vitamin C

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

It depends on how much it costs Kirsteen.  I order everything from iHerb which 
is in California I believe and the postage is as low as $4 if the weight is 
less than 3lbs.  If it costs over a certain amount (which I can't remember) 
then you have to pay VAT like I did when I got my generator.  Most things I 
order are under $20 though, and I never pay tax on these.  If I am on anywhere 
but iHerb I always go to checkout and find out what the postage is going to be. 
 Usually I have to cancel because the cost is prohibitive.  dee

On 1 Mar 2010, at 18:50, Kirsteen Wright wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> This looked really good until I got to the postage!  It got to $28 for the 
> postage which was more than the Vit C!  dee
> 
> I'm afraid I've got really wary of ordering stuff from the US. Last order i 
> got came to $39 plus $15 for postage. i then had to pay £2+ tax which I 
> didn't mind but the PO added on a £10 ($14.88) 'handling charge' and wouldn't 
> release it til I'd paid this. How they can justify a handling charge when 
> they didn't even deliver it and postage had already been paid in full, I 
> don't know, but there it is, I didn't have much choice.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Kirsteen


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Re: CS>How to make "gels"?

[Sandee George]

Get a gel kit from Ode and make it yourself - it is available on his  
site

Regards
Sandee


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Re: CS>How to make "gels"?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I got mine from Ode.  dee

On 1 Mar 2010, at 18:32, Lisa wrote:

> Hi All,
>  
> With the last post (regarding hemorrhoids) and the use of a gel…the question 
> I have is how to make one? I know that folks are using CS as a gel…and I 
> would love to know how to go about doing so? I’ve got a variety of different 
> ingredients around that may work but would love to know what folks are using 
> and doing to accomplish theirs?
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> Lisa


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[Sandee George]

Annie - try some coconut oil and see how that works, it is an amazing  
healer

Regards
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Re: CS>Colloid Master??

[Golden Aldi]

Thanks Mike,

It could be that the water is super pure, as I first filter, then distill
the water. After reading and hearing of all the stuff that "can" be found in
water, I'm not taking any more risks of taking something in I don't want in
my organism. :-)
I'll leave a bit of "old brew"  in the jar for the next batch. How much
would make the difference, and how long should it take? 3-4 hours? instead
of the 6+?

I remember reading a few posts about seeding, but it seems that it didn't
make a difference for some, so I wonder what it all depends on. I would feel
more sure of myself if I could test the ppm of the water in between, as to
see if I could cut off the electricity, and so, also see how accurate (or
not), the little green light is.

Aldi

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:47 PM, M. G. Devour  wrote:

> Aldi writes:
> > See, I have never yet made any under 6 hours, thats for sure.  Can't
> figure
> > out why. Like I mentioned before, a few batches ago, I had to cut the
> > brewing, cause it was going on 14 hours.
>
> I suppose if your water happens to be very pure it could slow down the
> early, "seeding" part of the process considerably. Leaving a little bit
> of the previous batch in the jar would probably even that out
> considerably.
>
> It also sounds like Pat ought to cut back on the "ppm" setting to below
> the point at which it generates significant "crud." When you get that,
> it just means you've gone too long, and whatever silver you've added in
> the later phase of the run has gone straight to large particles that
> don't enhance things much and waste electrodes.
>
> Even if the instructions say to run higher, it could be that Pat's
> particular unit needs to be run at a lower setting.
>
> Be well,
>
> Mike D.
>
> > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:29 PM, MaryAnn Helland
> > wrote:
> >
> > > That's really odd, Pat.  Mine rarely takes more than 5 or 6 hours.  My
> CS
> > > is always clear, and I never have any crud on the bottom of my jars.
>
> > >  --
> > > *From:* Pat 
>
> > > My Colloid Master AC has a green light that goes on and off while
> brewing,
> > > then turns off totally when it's finished.  The red light stays on to
> > > indicate it has power plugged in (although I think it goes on and off,
> too
> > > during brewing.)  Sometimes it takes 12 hours or more.  I keep it in
> the
> > > dining room, so don't look at it often.  It leaves quite a bit of crud
> on
> > > the bottom of my jars.  The CS is clear as long as I don't go above
> 5.5.
> > > The worst thing about the machine is that it's hard sometimes to get
> the
> > > electrodes straight and parallel when I'm putting the clips on.  It
> eats
> > > them up, too, sometimes.  I'm on the third set in four years and I
> don't
> > > make it very often.
>
> > > 
> > > From: Golden Aldi 
> > > My setting is at about 5.5 or 6 to get a 10 ppm. I can't tell if it
> shuts
> > > itself off or not, but I'm hoping it does, and its the other light, the
> red
> > > one, that doesn't go on when it stops, which it should, according to
> the
> > > instructions that came with the generator. If the generator does go
> off,
> > > then maybe completely, which would explain why the red light does not
> go on.
> > > *grin*
>
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Re: CS>CS: Ulcer bacteria,H-Pylori

[Harold MacDonald]

- Original Message - 
From: "M. G. Devour" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS: Ulcer bacteria,H-Pylori



Harold wrote:

My experience with low acid causing GERD was to take Betaine HCL
>

I'm going to look into this.


AND this along with a radical change of diet put a
welcome end to GERD,and H-Pylori, the Ulcer causing Bacteria.


Just to complete the picture, Harold, what is the general nature of >

your change in diet, please?

I did the " Metabolic Typing Diet"  test from the book of the same name.Dr 
Mercola had the test on his site for awhile.
I came out as a mixed type which means I can eat a bit of 
everything,protein,carbs,etc.
This ended up with my diet approx. 75% raw fruits and veggies.Very little 
sugars [other than raw Honey] and grains like wheat,rye,oats,etc.
My cooked food comprises; Home-made soups;sardines,canned Alaska 
salmon,pollock and a very rare prime rib ,.Lightly poached eggs and toasted 
20 grain bread for breakfast.



 I started this treatment after talking [E-mail] with Dr. Charles Duffy
of Dallas when he said that in 30 years of Med. practice ,he could not
recall any patient presenting with too much acid.He said they were very
deficient, with low to none.


Hmm, does he have a web site? Nothing turned up on a superficial web
search.


  I believe that Dr Duffy was retired at that time.He contacted me from one 
of my postings re H-Pylori.

   Harold


Thanks,

Mike D.



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Re: CS>A couple of Questions

[Dan Nave]

Try searching on:

"how to use colloidal silver" +Dan

This may not be the final answer, but it is a place to start.

Dan

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:11 PM,   wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I decided to go with the Silver Puppy and so far I really like it.  Had a
> few adventures before the final product but so far so good.
>
> Question 1.  If the CS is contaminated, how does it effect the product?  The
> reason I am asking is after it was finished I filled all the little bottles
> I bought from Ken and it sat covered loosely with a paper towel for a few
> days and then I closed it up with the lid.  I did thoroughly wash and then
> rinse everything with  distilled water.  But the apparent problem was it was
> a former pickle jar and after I closed it and let it sit for a few days it
> now smells sorta like pickles.  The CS has not actually touched the inside
> of the lid but it has effected the flavor.  I did not realize then when I
> gave my son a small jar that was filled from the pickle jar and he had never
> used CS before so it didn't concern him.  It definitely does have a odor
> now.
>
> 2. How do I find out what the dosages are for colds etc?  Not to long ago
> someone had posted ( I think) a message on what to use CS for.  Different
> uses and how to's.  For the life of my I can't find it anywhere.  I did go
> to the Archives but can't find anything relating to that.  Can anyone
> suggest any key words to use?  Or does anyone have a list they could post?
>
> Thank you
> Cathy
>
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Re: CS>new source of Liposomal vitamin C

[Kirsteen Wright]

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> This looked really good until I got to the postage!  It got to $28 for the
> postage which was more than the Vit C!  dee
>
> I'm afraid I've got really wary of ordering stuff from the US. Last order i
got came to $39 plus $15 for postage. i then had to pay £2+ tax which I
didn't mind but the PO added on a £10 ($14.88) 'handling charge' and
wouldn't release it til I'd paid this. How they can justify a handling
charge when they didn't even deliver it and postage had already been paid in
full, I don't know, but there it is, I didn't have much choice.


Cheers
Kirsteen

Re: CS>CS with or without food

[Dan Nave]

3 teaspoons = 1 Tablespoon = 1/2 Ounce
2 Tablespoons = 1 Ounce
6 teaspoons = 1 Ounce

Dan

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Rainie Cole  wrote:
> For now, I basically want to ingest it to attempt to cure my lyme disease.
>  I have a store bought 10ppm soloution and am going to try a 20ppm solution,
> both highly recommmended, but too expensive, so I will begin making my own.
>  Any suggestions on generators?  I'd like it to be effiecient and
> inexpensive and space is also an issue.  any suggestions?
> And back to original question:  I've been taking 4 tsps daily.  I guess
> that's about an ouce a day?  How much in your opinion if I'm trying to
> combat Lyme?
> And should I take it with an probiotic?
> Thank you, Steve
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:33 PM, John E. Stevens
>  wrote:
>>
>> It really depends on what you want to use it for.  Skin applications?
>> Drinking?  Nasal Spray?
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Rainie Cole  wrote:
>>>
>>> I know this is a basic question, but how is it best to take silver?
>>> thanks so much.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rainie
>>
>
>
>
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CS>How to make "gels"?

[Lisa]

Hi All,

 

With the last post (regarding hemorrhoids) and the use of a gel.the question
I have is how to make one? I know that folks are using CS as a gel.and I
would love to know how to go about doing so? I've got a variety of different
ingredients around that may work but would love to know what folks are using
and doing to accomplish theirs?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Lisa

CS>CS: Stomach acid importance.

[Harold MacDonald]

The importance of HCL,some info from VRPs' site.

Harold

The mucous membrane of the stomach is densely packed with glands that secrete 
hydrochloric acid and pepsin, a protein-digesting enzyme. The role of 
hydrochloric acid is to create a sufficiently acid environment for pepsin to be 
activated. If we do not produce enough hydrochloric acid, then we cannot fully 
digest protein. The parietal cells that create hydrochloric acid also produce a 
large protein called the intrinsic factor, necessary for the assimilation of 
vitamin B12.
Stomach acid is designed to protect the body from invasion by pathogenic 
organisms. When stress or other factors reduce the amount of gastric acid, the 
stomach is left vulnerable to invasion by Helicobacter pylori and E. Coli.

Re: CS>CS: Ulcer bacteria,H-Pylori

[Alan Jones]

Mike, check out the book "Why Stomach Acid is Good for You".  It recommends
Harold's Betaine Hcl protocol.

Alan

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:39 AM, M. G. Devour  wrote:

> Harold wrote:
> > My experience with low acid causing GERD was to take Betaine HCL
> > 500mgs.Starting with 1 cap. 15 minutes B4 first meal, next meal take 2
> > caps 15 min B4,next meal 3 B4, keep doing this until a burning peppery
> > feeling is reached,then back off 1 cap.I had to reach 7 B4 I got this
> > feeling.This protocol was followed until the peppery burn was
> > experienced with less and less number of capsules.Now I very rarely
> > have to take one.
>
> I'm going to look into this.
>
> > AND this along with a radical change of diet put a
> > welcome end to GERD,and H-Pylori, the Ulcer causing Bacteria.
>
> Just to complete the picture, Harold, what is the general nature of
> your change in diet, please?
>
> >  I started this treatment after talking [E-mail] with Dr. Charles Duffy
> > of Dallas when he said that in 30 years of Med. practice ,he could not
> > recall any patient presenting with too much acid.He said they were very
> > deficient, with low to none.
>
> Hmm, does he have a web site? Nothing turned up on a superficial web
> search.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike D.
>
> --
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Re: CS>DMSO and Iodine

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Great remedy Annie--one to keep.  dee

On 1 Mar 2010, at 18:02, Annie B Smythe wrote:

> Okay folks, I read about this somewhere last week, and tried it. It works 
> great for me.
> 
> Since I had my two children, over twenty tears ago, I get a case of 
> hemorrhoids every so often. I know, I know, I'm working on getting the blood 
> vessels strengthened so that won't happen. I've tried a lot of things, but 
> Silica, Gelatin, and Serrapeptase, along with Turmeric, after some trial and 
> error, seem to helping the most. I'm adding grape seed extract and pine bark 
> to that, to see what happens.
> 
> Anyway, I read somewhere that Lugol's and DMSO would do the trick. And by 
> golly it does. It's the single most effective combo I've found to date. EMU 
> oil helped a lot but didn't heal the area, although it did relieve pain, 
> itching and and some of the swelling, for periods of time. I did have to 
> reapply it several times a day though.
> 


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CS>A couple of Questions

[Cathy39etc]

Hello Everyone,
  
I decided to go with the Silver Puppy and so far I really like  it.  Had a 
few adventures before the final product but so far so  good.  
 
Question 1.  If the CS is contaminated, how does it  effect the product?  
The reason I am asking is after it was finished I  filled all the little 
bottles I bought from Ken and it sat covered loosely with  a paper towel for a 
few days and then I closed it up with the lid.  I did  thoroughly wash and 
then rinse everything with  distilled water.  But  the apparent problem was it 
was a former pickle jar and after I closed it and  let it sit for a few 
days it now smells sorta like pickles.  The CS has not  actually touched the 
inside of the lid but it has effected the flavor.  I  did not realize then 
when I gave my son a small jar that was filled from the  pickle jar and he had 
never used CS before so it didn't concern him.  It  definitely does have a 
odor now.  
 
2. How do I find out what the dosages are for colds etc?   Not to long ago 
someone had posted ( I think) a message on what to use CS  for.  Different 
uses and how to's.  For the life of my I can't find it  anywhere.  I did go 
to the Archives but can't find anything relating to  that.  Can anyone 
suggest any key words to use?  Or does anyone have a  list they could post?
 
Thank you
Cathy
 
 

CS>DMSO and Iodine

[Annie B Smythe]

Okay folks, I read about this somewhere last week, 
and tried it. It works great for me.


Since I had my two children, over twenty tears 
ago, I get a case of hemorrhoids every so often. I 
know, I know, I'm working on getting the blood 
vessels strengthened so that won't happen. I've 
tried a lot of things, but Silica, Gelatin, and 
Serrapeptase, along with Turmeric, after some 
trial and error, seem to helping the most. I'm 
adding grape seed extract and pine bark to that, 
to see what happens.


Anyway, I read somewhere that Lugol's and DMSO 
would do the trick. And by golly it does. It's the 
single most effective combo I've found to date. 
EMU oil helped a lot but didn't heal the area, 
although it did relieve pain, itching and and some 
of the swelling, for periods of time. I did have 
to reapply it several times a day though.


The Iodine and DMSO mixture is actually shrinking 
and healing the tissues. It's absolutely amazing. 
And the pain relief is near instantaneous upon 
application. And I apply it ONCE a day, every morning.


Now I know someone is gonna ask. So here's what I 
did. I had approx a fourth of a 16 oz jar of DMSO 
gel that I've been using, and I added three full 
droppers of Lugol's 2% to that. It will liquefy, 
so don't worry about it. Clean and dry the, e, 
area. Wet your fingers well with the mixture or 
use your choice of applicator, and apply liberally 
outside and a little inside. Lord have mercy I 
almost fell over from the sudden relief. I kid you 
not. Instant relief, well for me it worked that 
fast. YMMV.



I'm gob smacked that such a simple thing worked so 
very very well. And o so happy to have tried 
it out. I had tried DMSO by itself, and it didn't 
work all that well for me, but add the Lugol's and 
they're a dynamite combo.


Ya know what, this may work on spider veins, and 
varicose veins as well. Haven't tried that yet.



Annie
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Re: CS>Colloid Master??

[M. G. Devour]

Aldi writes:
> See, I have never yet made any under 6 hours, thats for sure.  Can't figure
> out why. Like I mentioned before, a few batches ago, I had to cut the
> brewing, cause it was going on 14 hours.

I suppose if your water happens to be very pure it could slow down the 
early, "seeding" part of the process considerably. Leaving a little bit 
of the previous batch in the jar would probably even that out 
considerably.

It also sounds like Pat ought to cut back on the "ppm" setting to below 
the point at which it generates significant "crud." When you get that, 
it just means you've gone too long, and whatever silver you've added in 
the later phase of the run has gone straight to large particles that 
don't enhance things much and waste electrodes.

Even if the instructions say to run higher, it could be that Pat's 
particular unit needs to be run at a lower setting.

Be well,

Mike D.

> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:29 PM, MaryAnn Helland
> wrote:
> 
> > That's really odd, Pat.  Mine rarely takes more than 5 or 6 hours.  My CS
> > is always clear, and I never have any crud on the bottom of my jars. 

> >  --
> > *From:* Pat 

> > My Colloid Master AC has a green light that goes on and off while brewing,
> > then turns off totally when it's finished.  The red light stays on to
> > indicate it has power plugged in (although I think it goes on and off, too
> > during brewing.)  Sometimes it takes 12 hours or more.  I keep it in the
> > dining room, so don't look at it often.  It leaves quite a bit of crud on
> > the bottom of my jars.  The CS is clear as long as I don't go above 5.5.
> > The worst thing about the machine is that it's hard sometimes to get the
> > electrodes straight and parallel when I'm putting the clips on.  It eats
> > them up, too, sometimes.  I'm on the third set in four years and I don't
> > make it very often.

> > 
> > From: Golden Aldi 
> > My setting is at about 5.5 or 6 to get a 10 ppm. I can't tell if it shuts
> > itself off or not, but I'm hoping it does, and its the other light, the red
> > one, that doesn't go on when it stops, which it should, according to the
> > instructions that came with the generator. If the generator does go off,
> > then maybe completely, which would explain why the red light does not go on.
> > *grin*

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Re: CS>CS: Ulcer bacteria,H-Pylori

[M. G. Devour]

Harold wrote:
> My experience with low acid causing GERD was to take Betaine HCL
> 500mgs.Starting with 1 cap. 15 minutes B4 first meal, next meal take 2
> caps 15 min B4,next meal 3 B4, keep doing this until a burning peppery
> feeling is reached,then back off 1 cap.I had to reach 7 B4 I got this
> feeling.This protocol was followed until the peppery burn was
> experienced with less and less number of capsules.Now I very rarely
> have to take one.

I'm going to look into this.

> AND this along with a radical change of diet put a
> welcome end to GERD,and H-Pylori, the Ulcer causing Bacteria.

Just to complete the picture, Harold, what is the general nature of 
your change in diet, please?

>  I started this treatment after talking [E-mail] with Dr. Charles Duffy
> of Dallas when he said that in 30 years of Med. practice ,he could not
> recall any patient presenting with too much acid.He said they were very
> deficient, with low to none. 

Hmm, does he have a web site? Nothing turned up on a superficial web 
search.

Thanks,

Mike D.



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Re: CS>Deadly to dogs - XYLITOL

[Golden Aldi]

Wow, I did not know that. I'll pass that on to people with pets

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 2:46 PM, William Corley  wrote:

> http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/xylitol.asp
>
>
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Re: CS>Colloid Master??

[Golden Aldi]

See, I have never yet made any under 6 hours, thats for sure.  Can't figure
out why. Like I mentioned before, a few batches ago, I had to cut the
brewing, cause it was going on 14 hours.

Aldi

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:29 PM, MaryAnn Helland
wrote:

> That's really odd, Pat.  Mine rarely takes more than 5 or 6 hours.  My CS
> is always clear, and I never have any crud on the bottom of my jars.  I
> don't worry a bit about the electrodes being straight and parrallel -- more
> that they're not touching.  Do you use a quart Mason jar?  You only have to
> hook the electrodes over the lip of the jar.  And I use a pair of electrodes
> about a year too -- but I make CS several to many times a week.  That crud
> on the bottom of your jar is the remains of the electrodes that are being
> eaten up.  I brew mine in the kitchen -- but I drape a kitchen towel over
> the jar, as much to keep the electrodes in place on opposite sides of
> the brewing jar as to keep the water clean.  I stopped worrying about light
> a long time ago.
> MA
>
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Pat 
>
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Fri, February 26, 2010 2:50:57 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: CS>Colloid Master??
>
>
> My Colloid Master AC has a green light that goes on and off while brewing,
> then turns off totally when it's finished.  The red light stays on to
> indicate it has power plugged in (although I think it goes on and off, too
> during brewing.)  Sometimes it takes 12 hours or more.  I keep it in the
> dining room, so don't look at it often.  It leaves quite a bit of crud on
> the bottom of my jars.  The CS is clear as long as I don't go above 5.5.
> The worst thing about the machine is that it's hard sometimes to get the
> electrodes straight and parallel when I'm putting the clips on.  It eats
> them up, too, sometimes.  I'm on the third set in four years and I don't
> make it very often.
>
> My daughter loves her Silver Puppy.  My Colloid Master said to not brew in
> the light, though, so I was wondering about the warming light with the
> Silver Puppy.  Does light during brewing make a difference?
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> 
> From: Golden Aldi 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 2:49:34 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Colloid Master??
>
> My setting is at about 5.5 or 6 to get a 10 ppm. I can't tell if it shuts
> itself off or not, but I'm hoping it does, and its the other light, the red
> one, that doesn't go on when it stops, which it should, according to the
> instructions that came with the generator. If the generator does go off,
> then maybe completely, which would explain why the red light does not go on.
> *grin*
>
> Aldi
>
>
> O
>
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Re: CS>Colloid Master??

[Golden Aldi]

Ode, could you please elaborate on the strip of black tape or paint? Would
that keep from crud from accumulating on the bottom?

Aldi

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Ode Coyote wrote:

>
>
>  So long as you use pure silver and pure water, there are  no
> photo-reactive compounds made and you can run batches in direct
> sunlight...and... use a strip of black tape or some paint
>  to make the sun stir it.
>
> Ode
>

Re: CS>new source of Liposomal vitamin C

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

This looked really good until I got to the postage!  It got to $28 for the 
postage which was more than the Vit C!  dee

On 1 Mar 2010, at 15:50, Alan Jones wrote:

> From my original post in this thread:
> 
> Bill Henderson's Cancer Free newsletter mentions this new, inexpensive source 
> of Liposomal vitamin C.  It's softgels and works out to about 30 cents per 
> gram, verses $1.33 per gram from Livon Labs, and about 15 cents for the 
> homemade stuff.  I haven't tried it but am tempted...
> 
> http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Kina Ghos  wrote:
> Alan,
> What is that cheaper source of LET Vitamin C that you are talking about? And 
> how cheap is it?
> Wazir
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CS>CS: Ulcer bacteria,H-Pylori

[Harold MacDonald]

My experience with low acid causing GERD was to take Betaine HCL 
500mgs.Starting with 1 cap. 15 minutes B4 first meal, next meal take 2 caps 15 
min B4,next meal 3 B4, keep doing this until a burning peppery feeling is 
reached,then back off 1 cap.I had to reach 7 B4 I got this feeling.This 
protocol was followed until the peppery burn was experienced with less and less 
number of capsules.Now I very rarely have to take one.AND this along with a 
radical change of diet put a welcome end to GERD,and H-Pylori, the Ulcer 
causing Bacteria.
I started this treatment after talking [E-mail] with Dr. Charles Duffy of 
Dallas when he said that in 30 years of Med. practice ,he could not recall 
any patient presenting with too much acid.He said they were very deficient, 
with low to none.
The Heli-co-bacter Pylori bacteria, after burrowing into the stomach wall ,has 
the ability to surround itself with Bicabonate of Soda,thereby neutralizing 
stomach HCL.

Harold

Re: CS>(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I'm not arguing with any of that Ode, i.e the suing thing.  I think that people 
should be responsible for themselves as far as possible.  I happen to think 
that if you trip up a broken pavement, then that's *your* fault, not the 
Councils, and you should have looked where you are going!  The same goes for 
slipping on a wet floor.  As far as the rest of it goes, I am just going to 
agree to disagree.  dee

> 
> 
> Well, I make and use CS because it's something "I" can do.
> When it's not enough, I have no problem hitting the feed and seed store or 
> asking the dentist for anti-biotics.
> Doctors under attack are more expensive than dentists told about a fantasy 
> tooth ache, animal drugs are the same as people drugs and I cut out the 
> middle men that pay $100,000 a year for malpractice insurance...except...if I 
> choose them wrong, I can't sue for more than being my own dead or disabled 
> dog...and the lawyers to do that will cost far more than the payoff.
> 
> It probably cost a billion dollars to get Vioxx approved, so I can see why 
> the resistance to having it yanked because the risk of corking off is .7%
> But lookie.  I hear all the time how the FDA should get out of our lives on 
> one hand, and burrow further into them on the other.
> What do you WANT?
> Freedom or safety.  You can't have it both ways.
> With freedom comes risk.
> With safety, lack of choice...and you pay for that lack.
> We don't want to pay the FDA the billions it takes to do the testing, so we 
> pay the "Pharm" in the cost of the drugs that do get approved to cover those 
> which don't and they write their own ticket accordingly.
> For every billion the "Pharm" spends getting a drug approved, they spend 5 
> billion on the ones that don't pass the initial phases...and you wonder why 
> approved drugs cost so much and why they might want to fudge the data just a 
> little bit and balance the risk of being sued against the probability of 
> staying solvent.
> The cost of that pill is something like  25 cents for the pill and 25 dollars 
> to insure against possible risks if ANY one dies or comes to harm, 
> disregarding everyone that doesn't.
> 


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Re: CS>Question

[Marshall Dudley]

Yes, it is the nitric acid that is caustic.

Marshall

Louise Larabie wrote:

You would be surprised as some of the other things people have said about
Colloidal Silver like that it will rot out their organs (this is a person
that knows I have taken used CS since 1977) but there is no logic to their
thinking.  I suspect that because Silver nitrate is a colloidal silver to
some and very caustic.  They seem to consider the silver caustic when it is
the medium it is dissolved in that makes it caustic.

But they have it in their mind it is bad and no logical facts can change
their minds.

I would laugh to but it is really sad they believing that it is that
poisonous.

Louise

-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:19 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Question

At 09:20 AM 2/27/2010, you wrote:
  
Some people say taking colloidal silver is like taking Arsenic. What 
do you say to people like that?




I can't say anything, too busy ROTFL.
sol 




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Re: CS>Sweeteners , where to get XYLITOL

[Marshall Dudley]

If the xylitol is pure, it should make no difference what the original 
feedstock was.


Marshall

Steve G wrote:
My bag of xylitol says that it is extracted from corn somehow.I 
googled the stuff and there are a number fruits and vegetables that 
can provide this, including birch as well as corn.


I don't use it for anything that my wife may consume as she has a very 
pronounced reaction to consuming anything made with corn, corn starch 
or corn syrup.  Instead of her normal daily migraine, she has 
extremely severe migraines for the next three days.   We are always 
being blind sided too.  


Xylitol is great for me, but I won't risk it for my wife... sigh!

Truthfully, I didn't know that people had a hard time getting this 
stuff.  I just bought my bag of it at the local health food store and 
didn't think anything of it.


Steve





--- On *Sat, 2/27/10, Tel Tofflemire //* wrote:


From: Tel Tofflemire 
Subject: CS>Sweeteners , where to get XYLITOL
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 12:46 PM

Go to http://www.emeraldforestsugar.com
 Xylitol is a sweetener made from biomass,  From a company called
Emerald Forrest, I have used it for many years, it is used by
millions of Diabetics successfully. I used to have  to buy it in
Sweden , but a few years ago they put a plant in Colorado. 
Xylitol  from this plant is all natural and made from Birch Bark.

 It is very low in carbs and Calories. In Cooking Xylitol is one
to one in a recipe that calls for sugar, and it tastes just like
real sugar (without the fat left on your bones.) 


Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.
Herbalist 
http://www.quailwoodherbal.com



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Re: CS>Colloid Master??

[Golden Aldi]

That's what I went and did, took another lid to fit my brewing jar, cause I
had the same problem with trying to get the silver strips to be evenly
placed. That was a real pain, and that's what took up most of prep time. I
cut two slits into the lid so I can just have the silver strips in the exact
spot/spacing without having to fidge with it.

I have been noticing plenty of crud using a setting above 6. I'm frankly not
all that crazy about this generator, and will see about getting a silver
puppy over here in GErmany for a reasonable price. Everyone is happy with
theirs, although before I bought this one, I heard only good things about it
:-(

Anyone traveling to Germany anytime soon? Maybe they could bring me my new
silver puppy! *only kidding*

Aldi

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Pat  wrote:

>
> I sometimes set the Colloid Master on six, but will try leaving it lower.
>  The company recommended 5.5.  I use a regular one quart canning jar.  I
> didn't know you could use wires or coins with it, but that makes sense.  I
> like that idea of cutting slots into a lid for the electrodes.  That would
> keep them in place better.
>
>  I agree that it couldn't be much easier, just takes a minute to start it
> up and then I get back to it sometime the next day and it's shut itself off.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>new source of Liposomal vitamin C

[Alan Jones]

>From my original post in this thread:

Bill Henderson's Cancer Free newsletter mentions this new, inexpensive
source of Liposomal vitamin C.  It's softgels and works out to about 30
cents per gram, verses $1.33 per gram from Livon Labs, and about 15 cents
for the homemade stuff.  I haven't tried it but am tempted...

http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm


On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Kina Ghos  wrote:

> Alan,
> What is that cheaper source of LET Vitamin C that you are talking about?
> And how cheap is it?
> Wazir
>
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Re: CS>(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

[Bob Banever]

Ode,

I must disagree.  The FDA should be in charge of safety, not efficacy. 
Thus, so long as something isn't going to poison or kill you, it should be 
available regardless of whether or not it works.  Truth in advertising is 
another issue entirely and should not be subjected to FDA approval.  There 
is far too much power within the FDA and it is causing us our basic 
freedoms.  They will soon try and make Vit. C a prescription drug (as well 
as hundreds of other harmless supplements and nutrients) even though no one 
has ever died from it.  I'll take the risk AND my freedom to choose how I 
want to medicate if at all as opposed to having my choices suppressed 
entirely.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: CS>(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.





 Well, I make and use CS because it's something "I" can do.
When it's not enough, I have no problem hitting the feed and seed store or 
asking the dentist for anti-biotics.
 Doctors under attack are more expensive than dentists told about a 
fantasy tooth ache, animal drugs are the same as people drugs and I cut 
out the middle men that pay $100,000 a year for malpractice 
insurance...except...if I choose them wrong, I can't sue for more than 
being my own dead or disabled dog...and the lawyers to do that will cost 
far more than the payoff.


It probably cost a billion dollars to get Vioxx approved, so I can see why 
the resistance to having it yanked because the risk of corking off is .7%
But lookie.  I hear all the time how the FDA should get out of our lives 
on one hand, and burrow further into them on the other.

 What do you WANT?
 Freedom or safety.  You can't have it both ways.
With freedom comes risk.
With safety, lack of choice...and you pay for that lack.
We don't want to pay the FDA the billions it takes to do the testing, so 
we pay the "Pharm" in the cost of the drugs that do get approved to cover 
those which don't and they write their own ticket accordingly.
For every billion the "Pharm" spends getting a drug approved, they spend 5 
billion on the ones that don't pass the initial phases...and you wonder 
why approved drugs cost so much and why they might want to fudge the data 
just a little bit and balance the risk of being sued against the 
probability of staying solvent.
The cost of that pill is something like  25 cents for the pill and 25 
dollars to insure against possible risks if ANY one dies or comes to harm, 
disregarding everyone that doesn't.


Taking drugs is not safe and NOT taking drugs when you need some is also 
not safe.



Meanwhile, people make a big stink about CS not having the approval it 
deserves, but won't pay the FDA to do it and the Pharm can't profit from 
it to cover the cost.


Following our OWN logic if the "Pharm" won't spend a billion dollars 
to get CS approved to satisfy OUR demand for safety, it will be outlawed 
and it's all the FDAs fault for not doing what it hasn't been paid to do.
The FDA has done the right thing. "Don't ask and if you do we'll just say 
no to cover our unpaid buttholes." [We don't know, we haven't been paid to 
find out and we have found no reason to want to know OR find out..yet you 
ask us?  ..go away kid, hide in a water closet someplace and jerk your own 
chain.]


If you live your own life and die your own death, you have freedom...but 
it's risky and a sharp mind is gonna be your best and only friend.
If you spend it looking for approval, you'll be licking a lot of corrupt 
boots that pick your pockets to pay for the safety you demand...but at 
least you can blame those boots for the heal grinding on your head when it 
turns out that you are one of those that doesn't fit the odds of success.


"It's YOUR fault that I'm different and ignorant..pay up"  "It's YOUR 
fault that I weighed the risks against benefits and came up short "
No one body can afford that, so every body pays a kings ransom...and the 
oddball STILL corks off. [ Damned if you do, damned if you don't ]

 Get it?

Is it better to have Gov't in control of your choices?
Well, it's hard to sue the Gov't and they can just "print money" to pick 
your pockets behind your back to pay for ten times as many leaches to tell 
you that you have blood to suck, but it's not YOUR blood that's leaving 
the hole in your safety seeking head.


How many people do you want to pay to convince you that your own life 
isn't yours so you don't have to take the risk of living it?.. then bitch 
and moan when you can't, but still have to pay all those people to tell 
you that you aren't damned when any way you look at it, you are. [Nobody 
dies for you and the only difference is who you get to blame]


What IS blame?
It's placing ALL the power to make choices into the hands of the people 
that YOU say don't care, making yourself  both innocent and totally 
helpless...your very own victim.


People go to Casinos knowing full well the odds are f

Re: CS>(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

[Renee]

All men die.  Not all men really live.
William Wallace--Braveheart.

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
  Freedom or safety.  You can't have it both ways.
With freedom comes risk.
With safety, lack of choice...and you pay for that lack.

Re: CS>Injections syringes inhaling

[polo]

Ode,

   Yes, you are unquestionably snide and snippy this morning as you suggest 
in your own post. I think you are just as much an "idjit" for being so 
nonchalant about how you process an IV solution as you do me. Are you 
familiar with the  millipore type of syringe filters? Apparently not if you 
make the idjit comment that settling out is better than any filter you can 
buy. You also do not have to purposefully shake a vial for particulates to 
be sent back into solution. One needs to get them out of the vial to prevent 
accidental redistribution.


   So you are resorting to picky linguistics when you criticize my use of 
"pure".  Hehee, give me a break--that doesn't even deserve a response. . I 
have injected non-physiological water based iv solutions with absolutely no 
problems whatsoever, actually my solutions proved very beneficial.  I 
generally admire your posts, but I am starting to have 2nd thoughts, but  I 
still like your machine's design.



doug



- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Injections syringes inhaling





  The bigguns settle out by definition of colloid better than *almost* any
filter you can buy.
  If you shake it up then inject it, yer an idjit. [that might get away
with it]
 "Far worse" doesn't answer the question of how bad straight water might
be or what to do about it.

 So close your eyes and dive, that rock is far worse than the log you
*might* miss...but at least you'll be using your head for "something".
[Sorry if that came across as being a bit snide..no wait, I don't worry
about snide, be as snide as you like.  I seem to like it a lot today, so
duck and shoot back. ]

BTW  There is no such thing as pure water in an impure environment and I
doubt there is or ever was a pure environment anywhere on Earth.
If it was pure, we couldn't live in it.  We require variety and water, a
solvent, soaks it up like a dry sponge...the more pure it is, the dryer 
the

sponge.

The same jug of water will not be the same tomorrow.
How different depends on many factors, most beyond control and the rest
only by degree.

Ode [being a pure snippy curmudgeon this morning...by definition "not
sorry" till tomorrow when "I'm" not the same in the same jug. LOL ]



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Re: CS>Silver and Duodenal ulcers

[Ode Coyote]

A duodenal ulcer is caused when the lining of the stomach is eaten away by 
stomach acid and digestive juices. A type of bacteria called Helicobacter 
pylori, also called H. pylori, commonly causes this. Other common causes of 
duodenal ulcers include anti-inflammatory medications such as aspirin and 
ibuprofen, stress, nicotine, caffeine, and alcohol use.


##  If it were me...I'd fast for 2 days, keep stomach acid back by sipping 
weak baking soda water, flood with EIS for a day to kill off the 
helicopters, continue the BS water as I ate very bland foods for a while to 
let the holes heal up without being exposed to excessive acid.


The use of Bismuth has been known to do all that.Pepto Bismol.
Might be worth carrying around in a flask for a while and using that 
instead of, or with, BS water.


Ode

At 10:36 PM 2/28/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Will EIS help or heal duodenal ulcers? If so, how much is recommended?

Josh


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Fwd: Re: CS>Silver and Duodenal ulcers

[Rowena]

Helicobacter pylori is involved in duodenal ulcers.

'CS is valuable when you are struggling with the pyloric bacteria, the 
one that causes/aggravates ulcers. My medical doctor friend erased her 
ulcer with CS, which may be the same mechanism that helps those with 
other digestive difficulties.'


From former list member, Terry Chamberlin Metabolic Solutions Institute RR1
Lawrencetown, Nova Scotia B0S 1M0 Canada

Usual rules - start small, build up.

Propolis would also be a good thing to investigate.  Also perhaps 
coconut oil.


Rowena


On 1/03/2010 11:36 AM, Josh Armstrong wrote:

Will EIS help or heal duodenal ulcers? If so, how much is recommended?

Josh


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Re: CS>(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

[Ode Coyote]

 Well, I make and use CS because it's something "I" can do.
When it's not enough, I have no problem hitting the feed and seed store or 
asking the dentist for anti-biotics.
 Doctors under attack are more expensive than dentists told about a 
fantasy tooth ache, animal drugs are the same as people drugs and I cut out 
the middle men that pay $100,000 a year for malpractice 
insurance...except...if I choose them wrong, I can't sue for more than 
being my own dead or disabled dog...and the lawyers to do that will cost 
far more than the payoff.


It probably cost a billion dollars to get Vioxx approved, so I can see why 
the resistance to having it yanked because the risk of corking off is .7%
But lookie.  I hear all the time how the FDA should get out of our lives on 
one hand, and burrow further into them on the other.

 What do you WANT?
 Freedom or safety.  You can't have it both ways.
With freedom comes risk.
With safety, lack of choice...and you pay for that lack.
We don't want to pay the FDA the billions it takes to do the testing, so we 
pay the "Pharm" in the cost of the drugs that do get approved to cover 
those which don't and they write their own ticket accordingly.
For every billion the "Pharm" spends getting a drug approved, they spend 5 
billion on the ones that don't pass the initial phases...and you wonder why 
approved drugs cost so much and why they might want to fudge the data just 
a little bit and balance the risk of being sued against the probability of 
staying solvent.
The cost of that pill is something like  25 cents for the pill and 25 
dollars to insure against possible risks if ANY one dies or comes to harm, 
disregarding everyone that doesn't.


Taking drugs is not safe and NOT taking drugs when you need some is also 
not safe.



Meanwhile, people make a big stink about CS not having the approval it 
deserves, but won't pay the FDA to do it and the Pharm can't profit from it 
to cover the cost.


Following our OWN logic if the "Pharm" won't spend a billion dollars to 
get CS approved to satisfy OUR demand for safety, it will be outlawed and 
it's all the FDAs fault for not doing what it hasn't been paid to do.
The FDA has done the right thing. "Don't ask and if you do we'll just say 
no to cover our unpaid buttholes." [We don't know, we haven't been paid to 
find out and we have found no reason to want to know OR find out..yet you 
ask us?  ..go away kid, hide in a water closet someplace and jerk your own 
chain.]


If you live your own life and die your own death, you have freedom...but 
it's risky and a sharp mind is gonna be your best and only friend.
If you spend it looking for approval, you'll be licking a lot of corrupt 
boots that pick your pockets to pay for the safety you demand...but at 
least you can blame those boots for the heal grinding on your head when it 
turns out that you are one of those that doesn't fit the odds of success.


"It's YOUR fault that I'm different and ignorant..pay up"  "It's YOUR fault 
that I weighed the risks against benefits and came up short "
No one body can afford that, so every body pays a kings ransom...and the 
oddball STILL corks off. [ Damned if you do, damned if you don't ]

 Get it?

Is it better to have Gov't in control of your choices?
Well, it's hard to sue the Gov't and they can just "print money" to pick 
your pockets behind your back to pay for ten times as many leaches to tell 
you that you have blood to suck, but it's not YOUR blood that's leaving the 
hole in your safety seeking head.


How many people do you want to pay to convince you that your own life isn't 
yours so you don't have to take the risk of living it?.. then bitch and 
moan when you can't, but still have to pay all those people to tell you 
that you aren't damned when any way you look at it, you are. [Nobody dies 
for you and the only difference is who you get to blame]


What IS blame?
It's placing ALL the power to make choices into the hands of the people 
that YOU say don't care, making yourself  both innocent and totally 
helpless...your very own victim.


People go to Casinos knowing full well the odds are far and away stacked 
against striking the mother load and hugely stacked towards losing their 
shirts...yet they don't sue the Casino for leaving naked...but when the 
odds are stacked IN their favor but they lose, they do.

Go figger.

In the UK, a thief can sue you if he gets hurt ripping off your house.
So you want Gov't making decisions FOR you?
 Good luck.

 At least in the USA I can still buy a gun on the street and shoot myself 
in the head.


Ode


At 06:45 PM 2/28/2010 +, you wrote:
Well I suppose if we all thought like that, then we wouldn't bother to 
make CS either!  There wouldn't be any point, because we could just go and 
take the anti-biotics the doctor gives us as they may or may not, kill us, 
but hey - who cares - we are going to die of something anyway!  dee


On 28 Feb 2010, at 15:05, Ode Coyote wrote:

>
>
> So how m

Re: CS>Injections syringes inhaling

[Ode Coyote]

  The bigguns settle out by definition of colloid better than *almost* any 
filter you can buy.
  If you shake it up then inject it, yer an idjit. [that might get away 
with it]
 "Far worse" doesn't answer the question of how bad straight water might 
be or what to do about it.


 So close your eyes and dive, that rock is far worse than the log you 
*might* miss...but at least you'll be using your head for "something".
[Sorry if that came across as being a bit snide..no wait, I don't worry 
about snide, be as snide as you like.  I seem to like it a lot today, so 
duck and shoot back. ]


BTW  There is no such thing as pure water in an impure environment and I 
doubt there is or ever was a pure environment anywhere on Earth.
If it was pure, we couldn't live in it.  We require variety and water, a 
solvent, soaks it up like a dry sponge...the more pure it is, the dryer the 
sponge.


The same jug of water will not be the same tomorrow.
How different depends on many factors, most beyond control and the rest 
only by degree.


Ode [being a pure snippy curmudgeon this morning...by definition "not 
sorry" till tomorrow when "I'm" not the same in the same jug. LOL ]


At 01:23 PM 2/28/2010 -0600, you wrote:
I have one of your CS machines and it seems to produce particulate matter 
floating around. Not sure why and I don't think it is any thing bad or 
serious from an oral standpoint, but I would not want to inject these 
particulates into my bloodstream even if there are larger natural 
particles in the blood stream. I  think a filter is a good idea. Oh, I use 
pure high quality distilled water and still get this stuff forming.


No, I am not very worried about not injecting a physiological saline 
solution at all.  There are far worse things to inject than straight water.


doug


- Original Message -



  If your silver water has live bacteria in it, all is pointless.

The blood has much larger particles in it than .22 microns [ up to 15 
microns?]


I "think" a 10 micron particle will settle out of CSW [EIS]...probably
anything over about 1-3 microns.

I'd be more concerned about what injecting distilled water does...like,
localized dilution of saline balances...what's the tolerable range for that?

Ode



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Re: CS>Injections syringes inhaling

[Ode Coyote]

  Excellent.  Experience speaks well in the absence of knowing.

Ode


At 01:15 PM 2/28/2010 -0800, you wrote:
The CS I injected was filtered through a fine screen, and was clear to the 
naked eye.  It was made with distilled water.  An injection of 20-30 cc at 
one time was never any problem, other than to the lyme critters.


Dick



- Original Message 
From: polo 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 2:23:46 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Injections syringes inhaling

I have one of your CS machines and it seems to produce particulate matter 
floating around. Not sure why and I don't think it is any thing bad or 
serious from an oral standpoint, but I would not want to inject these 
particulates into my bloodstream even if there are larger natural 
particles in the blood stream. I  think a filter is a good idea. Oh, I use 
pure high quality distilled water and still get this stuff forming.


No, I am not very worried about not injecting a physiological saline 
solution at all.  There are far worse things to inject than straight water.


doug


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Re: CS>new source of Liposomal vitamin C

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

You're absolutely right Chuck!  I do go into panic mode somewhat easily I must 
confess!  I have now sent off for the lecithin granules and am going to give 
the liposomal thing a whirl, so will no doubt there will be further hysterical 
out-pourings in a week or so !  dee

On 1 Mar 2010, at 01:16, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

> Dee,
> You'd best get yourself a whiplash collar.
> All that thrashing about is going to do yourself a mischief (loved
> that phrase).
> 
>   Chuck
> Jeffrey's favorite recipes: Baked Alaskan.
> 
> On 2/28/2010 12:40:45 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:


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Re: CS>Risk of Drugs

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Eh?  dee

On 1 Mar 2010, at 00:42, Matt Walker wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dorothy Fitzpatrick" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:05 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Risk of Drugs
> 
> 
> Vioxx was withdrawn because it killed thousands of people.  This was the only 
> reason it *was* withdrawn, because if it had been just a few hundred, then it 
> would never have come to the publics notice.  Just a few hundred you might 
> say - pity if you happen to be one of them!  dee
> 
> On 27 Feb 2010, at 19:18, Pat wrote:
> 
>> I'd heard that there was an increase in risk with Vioxx and then Bextra, but 
>> the risk seemed very slight.  I would have been willing to sign a release to 
>> be able to continue using it.  The issue was quality of life. It's sometimes 
>> worth more risk to be able to have a decent life.  My orthopaedic surgeon 
>> said he thought the risk was very slight and said he'd given his Bextra 
>> samples to his mother when they took it off the market.
>> 
>> The same goes for hormones.  Continue a satisfying relationship with the 
>> hubby, keep him happy at home and enjoy the closeness  or possibly lose 
>> interest or ability.  Definitely worth a little added risk for much 
>> increased quality of life.
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: CS>Silver and Duodenal ulcers

[Steve G]

If the ulcer is caused by germs or viruses CS might help.    But if it is 
caused by other things, not so likely.  CS might seem like a miracle treatment, 
but it is not a panacea.

I have read that cayenne pepper is a wonderful treatment for ulcers though.  I 
recommend googling 'cayenne' and 'ulcer' and see where that leads.

Steve