Re: CS>RE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE Swanson's is Not 5% Read the label It's 21/2 % Iodine

[Tel Tofflemire]

 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: Deborah Gerard 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 6:43:55 PM
Subject: Re: CS>RE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE


I seen it for sale at www.swansonvitamins.com 





 From: Tel Tofflemire 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 10:06:58 AM
Subject: CS>RE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE


Contact me if you need Real Lugol's 5 % Iodine. 
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ. 
http://www.quailwoodherbal.com
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 From: Tel Tofflemire 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 6:59:41 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney Stones, Cure


I think you better double check that one out, Kidney Stones are nothing to 
experiment with.  Herbal treatment is the mildest and best I have ever used. 
It's just drinking a special Herbal Tea for about 3 days at the most rather 
than coffee.
Http://www.quailwoodherbal.com Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ. 





 From: needling around 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 7:23:00 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney Stones

 
I understand that magnesium is hydrophylic to the colon and thus pulls water 
out of the urinary tract and thus is not recommended in high doses for people 
with kidney disease.  Can anyone explain, then why it is used for kidney 
stones? It would seem to lower the amount of water in the urinary tract and 
thus contribute to the stones.
Thanks.
PT
- Original Message - 
>From: Paul Bond 
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>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:31 AM
>Subject: CS>Kidney Stones
>
>
>I would be very curious to know if all those things that clear kidney stones 
>aren’t unusually high in Magnesium.  Enough magnesium to match the calcium 
>should do the trick.  Also Vit B6 reduces oxylytic acid, which otherwise 
>combines with calcium to produce calcium oxalate, which is present in stones 
>usually.
> 
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Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[Tony Moody]

PT ,

I used a fine bore injection needle squinched (tm) onto the silicon 
rubber tubing. that weighed itself down and produced a good stream of 
fine bubbles, but at low flow rate, else it popped off.

Microbial activity. That sound like bull if you are using ozone. Would be 
true if bubbler stone was just left in the fish tank with nothing going 
through. The problem that I did have was that the stone broke up; 
probably due to the ozone attacking the glue holding the grit and the 
connector tube together. 

Another possible bubbler device could be something like a millipore 
inline IV filter which should produce fine bubbles. Don't know how long 
it would last tho. And the I guess it would have to be a fairly coarse 
one to allow reasonable flow of ozone,  Ozone is VERY soluble in water 
and very rapidly absorbed, so any smallish bubble size should do, 
practically, unless the water depth is very shallow. 

One could also make a venturi device with the ozone as the driver and the 
water being sucked in and initimately mixed with the ozone; ( an airlift 
pump )

OK,
Tony
  
On 25 Mar 2010 at 13:18, needling around wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen

> The question I have been wrestling with is how to decide on a good
> ozonator. For everything I have read I have read something just the
> opposite.  For example, most come with stone bubblers but then I read that
> the stone bubblers break down and develop microbial activity?  If I'm
> trying to get rid of microbes why would I use one of those??? Thanks. PT
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Norton, Steve" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:04 PM
> Subject: RE: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy
> 
> 
> It depends on what your Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy application is.
> 
> If you need a total body equivalent to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, the
> closest I've seen is placing the body, except for the head, in a plastic
> bag and then piping ozone into the bag. You can buy "bags" specifically
> designed for this purpose or make your own. The process is scalable, e.g.
> you could place just a leg that needs treatment in a bag.
> 
> If you are trying to just increase oxygen to the internal tissues in
> general, you could use ozonated oils or water. Or hydrogen peroxide
> therapy. Both of these have IV versions in addition to ingested liquid
> versions. H2O2 is also inhaled by some.
> 
> Stabilized oxygen or MMS may be suitable for some applications. Stabilized
> oxygen is a 5% sodium chlorite solution. MMS is a 28% sodium chlorite
> solution that also uses an activator to convert more of the sodium
> chlorite to chlorine dioxide.
> 
> Another option is ingesting plants or supplements that increase the oxygen
> carrying capability of the blood. I don't remember what plants they are
> off the top of my head. I don't have data on just how effective they are.
> I use some in my powdered plant supplement mix but not specifically for
> treatment of a problem.
> 
> - Steve N
> 
> 
> From: Rusty Moncrief [mailto:sinso...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:35 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy
> 
> 
> Is anyone aware of alternatives to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? (or
> something less than $5,000?)
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> 
> Rusty
> 
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Re: CS>Cell Food

[Renee]

Thanks for this info Bob.  I use to take Cell Food before it was Cell Food.
:-)  long story but the makers of Cell Food use to not market it themselves
and use to sell it to another company and branded it for them.  That's when
I took it, and it worked great--until that second company started diluting
the formula.  I didn't find this out until a few years later, but by then I
had stopped taking it because it was not working. 

Then I found out the main company was selling it as Cell Food, in the
original undiluted formula.  At that time I couldn't find it.  Now it's in
all the health food stores.  I think I will start taking it again. 

 
samala,
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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[Leslie]

Also adding that I have been taking all along also but have no blue moons. So, 
don't think any of us are 100% sure and would like to know for sure. Thanks, 
Lesle
  - Original Message - 
  From: Neville Munn 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:09 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>hypothyroid


   
  Thanks Leslie, 
   
  No, I'm afraid I don't have any other reasoning for it, although there may be 
a multitude of reasons which only the individual concerned could work out or 
determine.  I just wanted to know how you determined EIS caused it that's all.
   
  N.

   


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  From: leslie1...@windstream.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid
  Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:45:52 -0500



  Yes. I have kept up with all the testimonies concerning blue moons. We both 
take CS but she was taking much more at a time than me; thinking more was 
better. She had lots of mercury also (I did too) so thought this might play a 
part in not being able to disperse the CS properly. 

  If you have any other reasoning, I would love to hear it.
  Leslie



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Re: CS>RE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE

[Deborah Gerard]

I seen it for sale at www.swansonvitamins.com 





From: Tel Tofflemire 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 10:06:58 AM
Subject: CS>RE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE


Contact me if you need Real Lugol's 5 % Iodine. 
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ. 
http://www.quailwoodherbal.com
~~



From: Tel Tofflemire 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 6:59:41 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney Stones, Cure


I think you better double check that one out, Kidney Stones are nothing to 
experiment with.  Herbal treatment is the mildest and best I have ever used. 
It's just drinking a special Herbal Tea for about 3 days at the most rather 
than coffee.
Http://www.quailwoodherbal.com Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ. 





From: needling around 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 7:23:00 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney Stones


I understand that magnesium is hydrophylic to the colon and thus pulls water 
out of the urinary tract and thus is not recommended in high doses for people 
with kidney disease.  Can anyone explain, then why it is used for kidney 
stones? It would seem to lower the amount of water in the urinary tract and 
thus contribute to the stones.
Thanks.
PT
- Original Message - 
>From: Paul Bond 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:31 AM
>Subject: CS>Kidney Stones
>
>
>I would be very curious to know if all those things that clear kidney stones 
>aren’t unusually high in Magnesium.  Enough magnesium to match the calcium 
>should do the trick.  Also Vit B6 reduces oxylytic acid, which otherwise 
>combines with calcium to produce calcium oxalate, which is present in stones 
>usually.
> 
>Paul B
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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[needling around]

I'm not a chemist, but I was told that the copper attracted the mercury in the 
urine after the treatment.  Has to do with molecules or ions or something like 
that.  
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lisa 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:42 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>hypothyroid


  Could you explain this a bit more? I have no idea what you mean as far as the 
penny goes (except for the fact that it's obviously better after treatment).

   

  Lisa

   


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  From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:57 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid

   

  If you want to remove mercury from the body you might want to visit with a 
Bowen practitioner.  I have witnessed a copper penny turning silver after being 
dropped into the patient's urine after a treatment.  Before treatment, same 
cup, the penny stayed copper.

  PT

- Original Message - 

From: Alan Jones 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:53 PM

Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid

 

Also, Andy Cutler, author of "Amalgam Illness", claims that chlorella can 
do more harm than good in mercury toxic people.  It can help remove mercury 
from where it's at, but it doesn't eliminate it from the body, it can just get 
deposited elsewhere in the body.

Alan

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:01 PM, needling around  
wrote:

Hi Dee,
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but chlorella isn't necessarily 
all it is touted either.  Years ago I knew a woman who was an RN, LAc and colon 
hydrotherapist.  We got into a conversation one day and she told me that for 
some people chlorella clumps together in the colon and can take more than 6 
months to be discharged.  She said she saw it all the time.
PT
- Original Message - From: "Dorothy Fitzpatrick"  


To: 

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid


All this just reinforces my conviction that supplementing things like 
minerals is a very dodgy thing!  One just doesn't *know* what mineral is 
deficient (accurately) and whether supplementing wouldn't imbalance things 
which causes much worse problems.  And all things are synergistic with others 
and doctors 'normal' levels etc., are no good, because we are all so different 
in our needs.  I think its better to take them in whole food form like kelp or 
chlorella.   dee 



On 25 Mar 2010, at 15:25, sol wrote:

Gina Moore wrote:

Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
hormone).

I recently found a tidbit that may affect thyoid conversion problems for 
many..T4 to T3 conversion does not take place when there is vit A 
deficiency.
sol


--
T

 



-- 
Alan Jones

RE: CS>hypothyroid

[Neville Munn]

 
Thanks Leslie, 
 
No, I'm afraid I don't have any other reasoning for it, although there may be a 
multitude of reasons which only the individual concerned could work out or 
determine.  I just wanted to know how you determined EIS caused it that's all.
 
N.

 






From: leslie1...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:45:52 -0500





Yes. I have kept up with all the testimonies concerning blue moons. We both 
take CS but she was taking much more at a time than me; thinking more was 
better. She had lots of mercury also (I did too) so thought this might play a 
part in not being able to disperse the CS properly. 
 
If you have any other reasoning, I would love to hear it.
Leslie
  
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Re: CS>Cell Food

[Bob Banever]

Renee,

   You can learn more about Cellfood on the following page.

http://www.vke-cellfood.com/tech_info1.htm

   Yes it is made with deuterium (heavy water) but this is not radioactive!

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:54 PM
  Subject: CS>Cell Food


Hi Bob.  Where did you hear Cell Food was made from heavy water?  I 
know they say it splits the hydrogen from the oxygen, but never heard what it 
was that did that.  

 
samala,
Renee
www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt 
Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body.  The Am Wand helps 
you get rid of it quickly and easily.  Get the wand here 

---Original Message---

  If you want to oxygenate your body try using Cellfood... this is 
made from deuterium or heavy water... it splits water molecules into hydrogen 
and oxygen, freeing oxygen in your body.  Just Google it for purchase info.
   
  
   

CS>hypothyroid

[Shirley Reed]

   Iodine in largish doses will cause mercury, aluminum, lead, and other 
pollutants to appear in greater abundance in the urine.  It will cause lumps in 
the breasts and elsewhere to disappear or resolve.  My saying this does not, of 
course, make it so.  There is a critical need for each to do their own 
research, make their own informed and considered opinion, follow through with 
action, and be prepared to take their own consequences.  If one starts out with 
a low dose and increases gradually, then any consequences will very, very 
likely be wonderful.  After all, the Japanese (coastal) get over 129 times more 
I per day than we do, and are very healthy.   Brownstein's book will likely 
knock you out of your chair more than once.   pj


  


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CS>supplementing with minerals

[Shirley Reed]

   I agree-in principle-that mineral supplementation can be and is dodgy.  
Overdose is not simple to deal with, in my understanding.  But considering that 
we are nearly all dreadfully deficient in iodine (what with all the halogens 
and soil mineral depletion and food processing) it is seemingly impossible to 
remove a deficiency using 'natural' foods.  The iodine group at yahoo can give 
good information.  The moderator(s) has/have access to one or two of the best 
iodine docs around.  Also, the Brownstein book is most exceptional for info.   
imho   pj


  


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CS>Cell Food

[Renee]

Hi Bob.  Where did you hear Cell Food was made from heavy water?  I know
they say it splits the hydrogen from the oxygen, but never heard what it was
that did that.  

 
samala,
Renee
www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt 
Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body.  The Am Wand helps 
you get rid of it quickly and easily.  Get the wand here 
 
---Original Message---
 
  If you want to oxygenate your body try using Cellfood... this is made 
from deuterium or heavy water... it splits water molecules into hydrogen and 
oxygen, freeing oxygen in your body.  Just Google it for purchase info.

Re: CS>hypothyroid

[Craig Chamberlin]

Hi Lesie,

You can also get Standard Process, Adrenal, Desicated, via Amazon for 
about $12.00 per 90 tablets.


FWIW,

Craig

Frank wrote:

Hi Leslie,
You should be proud of yourself. Pulling the whole thing without any 
public help !
The thyroid is a small gland situated in the anterior center of the 
neck. It produces several hormones but the two major ones affecting 
the metabolism are thyroxine (T4) and triiodothyronine (T3 ). The 
amounts produced are based on a signal from the brain which sends a 
master hormone known as TSH. The thyroid produces mostly T4 (inactive 
form) and a little bit of T3 (active form). The hormones circulate in 
the blood stream and as needed the liver (mostly) converts the T4 form 
into the T3 and other lesser forms. The T3 moves into the cells where 
it cooperates to stimulate the metabolism to produce energy.
To learn the levels of T3/T4 you need a medical laboratory ands 
someone who understands this complicated mechanism (many MD do not!) 
and can make sense of it.
But there is a simple test that will show you whether your metabolic 
rate is slow (which means low levels of TSH, T4 or poor comversion). 
It is called the Coca test discovered by Dr Coca at a time when MDs 
used to observe and think.
Take a thermometer (glass best) and place it next to your bedside so 
that you do not have to move much in the AM upon weakening to reach 
it. Shake it down the night before. As you wake up and very slowly 
take the thermometer and place it under you arm. After ten minutes 
take the temperature and go about your day. Repeat the routine for 
seven consecutive days.
Average the temperatures. The optimal range is 97.8F to 98.2F I below 
suspect low thryroid function.
Mexican pharmacies (internt very inexpensive) ship a natural thryroid 
extract (is made in USA!) that contains a fairly well standarized 
amount of hormone and could be your best bet if the basal temperature 
is really low. If  the temperature is low but close then use Lugol 
(start with just a few drops a day in water (no juices or sodas) 
preferebly in an empty stomach. Increase litle by little and retest 
you basal temperature ever month and plot to see the trend.
Vitamins A and D, selenium and zinc the amino-acid tyrosine and iodine 
are the ingredients and cofactors that make the hormones. You may want 
to supplement as well.

Good luck
Frank



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RE: CS>Tooth infections

[Lisa]

Thanks Steve,

 

We are talking a 5 yr old so like you say - unsure if she'd be willing to
try it.

 

Also, I have not yet been confirmed that the root of the tooth (possibly
teeth) may be dead. I think at that point.there truly isn't anything to be
done, except kill the infection and wait for the teeth to come out on their
own. Sad.for such a young girl!

 

Lisa

 

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From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:09 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Tooth infections

 

I have mostly tried various mouthwashes, CS, H2O2, H2O2 with DMSO, iodine,
iodine with DMSO, oregano oil, cinnamon oil (if you try this, greatly dilute
it!!!) and clove oil. But the best so far is 2 drops of grapefruit seed
extract mixed with a enough water for a mouth rinse and with 10% DMSO.

 

It does not taste good so you may have trouble getting a 5 yo to use it. If
the cavity is where you can use a swab that would be good. After killing the
infection you could try filling the cavity with dolomite (Chuck's
discovery).

 

-  Steve N

 

From: Lisa [mailto:blacksa...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:17 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com; herbal_remed...@yahoogroups.com;
alternative-medicine-fo...@yahoogroups.com;
alternativeansw...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: CS>Tooth infections

 

Hi Everybody,

 

A friend of mine has a daughter (5ish) and the dentist has told them that
her two front teeth are infected and they should be pulled. I think it's a
horrific idea and that they should battle the infection naturally and have
the teeth come out on their own (baby teeth). I think some regularly dosing
of EIS (colloidal silver) and/or hydrogen peroxide would do wonders here
(gargling with either or even both, spitting out the hydrogen peroxide,
swallowing the EIS).

 

Comments?

 

Lisa

 

 

Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[Leslie]

And the opposite holds true for me. I enjoy being single so as not to be 
mistreated. Some people do not know real, true love. I am learning as Jesus 
forgave all and He certainly was abused. I am trying.


- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy


Something fishy here.
Ozone and microbes don't hang together...

Chuck
I love being married.
 It's so great to find that one  special person you want to annoy for
the rest of your  life.

On 3/25/2010 1:18:07 PM, needling around (ptf2...@bellsouth.net)
wrote:

The question I have been wrestling with is how to decide on a good
ozonator.
For everything I have read I have read something just the opposite.
For
example, most come with stone bubblers but then I read that the stone
bubblers break down and develop microbial activity?  If
I'm trying to get
rid of microbes why would I use one of those???
Thanks.
PT


- Original Message -
From: "Norton, Steve" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy


It depends on what your Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy application is.

If you need a total body equivalent to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, the
closest I've
seen is placing the body, except for the head, in a plastic bag
and then piping ozone into the bag. You can buy "bags" specifically
designed
for this purpose or make your own. The process is scalable, e.g. you could

place just a leg that needs treatment in a bag.

If you are trying to just increase oxygen to the internal tissues in
general, you could use ozonated oils or water. Or hydrogen peroxide
therapy.



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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[Leslie]

Yes. I have kept up with all the testimonies concerning blue moons. We both 
take CS but she was taking much more at a time than me; thinking more was 
better. She had lots of mercury also (I did too) so thought this might play a 
part in not being able to disperse the CS properly. 

If you have any other reasoning, I would love to hear it.
Leslie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Neville Munn 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:33 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>hypothyroid


  Your snipped quote:
  [She has the blue moons and so I know she 
  > is not properly dispersing the CS]
  -Praps you could help me out with this bit here?  Could you elaborate by 
explaining how you came to the decision that EIS/CS caused this?
   
  N.
   
  > From: leslie1...@windstream.net
  > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  > Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid
  > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:56:21 -0500
  > 
  > My daughter almost died and I have been nursing her back to health for 
years 
  > with no extra money so has been hard. She does not have medicaid and is 
  > trying to work one day a week to regain her mobility or strength. So, that 
  > is the reason I am always asking questions and for places to obtain 
products 
  > reasonably. then, make that list and check it twice and hope to order one 
  > thing. S, here is my question. She has the blue moons and so I know she 
  > is not properly dispersing the CS and think selenium plays a big role. She 
  > is also fat and has not been able to lose weight. Now, what is the T3 and 
T4 
  > and how do we find out what is needed?? Please be patient with me and help 
  > me if you can.
  > 
  > By the way, I am s proud of my new distiller my friend purchased for 
me. 
  > Just got it. I felt that was very important in making good CS as lots of 
  > times the water would turn cloudy from using Purified Distilled water from 
  > the store. I buy the reverse osmosis water from a place that does this in 
  > town. We live in a small town.
  > Thanks so much,
  > Leslie
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: "Frank" 
  > To: 
  > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:28 PM
  > Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid
  > 
  > 
  > > Hi Gina My understanding of the role of Selenium is just the opposite. 
  > > Selenium is the major co-factor for the enzyme 5' diodinase which is 
  > > responsible for the convesrsion of T4 into T3. Studies prove lower 
  > > conversion rates in individuals with low selenium. Other studies reveal 
  > > that increasing selenium is beneficial to the conversion and furthermore 
  > > it reduces the formation of rT3.
  > > Oliveri O, Gerelli et al. Selenium Zinc and thyroid hormones in healthy 
  > > subjects low ratio of t3/t4 in older subjects Biol Trace Elem Res 1996;51 
  > > 31-41
  > > Kralik A, Eder K, et al. Influence of Selenium and Zinc deficiency on 
  > > parameters related to thyroid metabolism Horm Metab Res 1996;28:223-226
  > > and several others upon request
  > > I always give selenium and zinc to those with low conversion and my 
  > > experience has been positive.
  > > I also give supplemental Iodine with great care. Excess iodine restricts 
  > > the function of the thyroid.
  > > Frank
  > >
  > > --
  > > From: "Gina Moore" 
  > > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:41 AM
  > > To: 
  > > Subject: RE: CS>hypothyroid
  > >
  > >> Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
  > >> hormone). Iodine is the base of thyroid hormones, most of which made is 
  > >> T4.
  > >> So, if your body is making mostly T4 and you have some sort of conversion
  > >> problem, then Selenium will only make it worse.
  > >>
  > >> That is my understanding anyway. If I can find my source on that I will
  > >> post it!
  > >> Gina
  > >>
  > >> -Original Message-
  > >> From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
  > >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:32 AM
  > >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  > >> Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid
  > >>
  > >> Thanks.
  > >> PT
  > >> - Original Message - 
  > >> From: "Annie B Smythe" 
  > >> To: 
  > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM
  > >> Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>> Yes PT here ya go:)
  > >>>
  > >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> Annie
  > >>>
  > >>> Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> needling around wrote:
  >  Would you mind sharing the address of the iodine list. I was taking
  >  selenium and I was under the care of 2 alternative doctors and I still
  >  ended up with a problem. At this point I am taking time release T3 for
  >  Wilson's body temp syndrome and it is the first thing that has helped.
  >  They think the problem might be in the conversion from one form to the
  >  other. All of the other things, I do.
  >  Thanks.
  >  PT
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> --
  > >>> The 

RE: CS>hypothyroid

[Lisa]

Could you explain this a bit more? I have no idea what you mean as far as
the penny goes (except for the fact that it's obviously better after
treatment).

 

Lisa

 

  _  

From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid

 

If you want to remove mercury from the body you might want to visit with a
Bowen practitioner.  I have witnessed a copper penny turning silver after
being dropped into the patient's urine after a treatment.  Before treatment,
same cup, the penny stayed copper.

PT

- Original Message - 

From: Alan Jones   

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:53 PM

Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid

 

Also, Andy Cutler, author of "Amalgam Illness", claims that chlorella can do
more harm than good in mercury toxic people.  It can help remove mercury
from where it's at, but it doesn't eliminate it from the body, it can just
get deposited elsewhere in the body.

Alan

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:01 PM, needling around 
wrote:

Hi Dee,
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but chlorella isn't necessarily all
it is touted either.  Years ago I knew a woman who was an RN, LAc and colon
hydrotherapist.  We got into a conversation one day and she told me that for
some people chlorella clumps together in the colon and can take more than 6
months to be discharged.  She said she saw it all the time.
PT
- Original Message - From: "Dorothy Fitzpatrick"  


To: 

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid


All this just reinforces my conviction that supplementing things like
minerals is a very dodgy thing!  One just doesn't *know* what mineral is
deficient (accurately) and whether supplementing wouldn't imbalance things
which causes much worse problems.  And all things are synergistic with
others and doctors 'normal' levels etc., are no good, because we are all so
different in our needs.  I think its better to take them in whole food form
like kelp or chlorella.   dee 



On 25 Mar 2010, at 15:25, sol wrote:

Gina Moore wrote:

Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
hormone).

I recently found a tidbit that may affect thyoid conversion problems for
many..T4 to T3 conversion does not take place when there is vit A
deficiency.
sol


--
T

 



-- 
Alan Jones

RE: CS>hypothyroid

[Neville Munn]

Your snipped quote:

[She has the blue moons and so I know she 
> is not properly dispersing the CS]

-Praps you could help me out with this bit here?  Could you elaborate by 
explaining how you came to the decision that EIS/CS caused this?

 

N.
 
> From: leslie1...@windstream.net
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:56:21 -0500
> 
> My daughter almost died and I have been nursing her back to health for years 
> with no extra money so has been hard. She does not have medicaid and is 
> trying to work one day a week to regain her mobility or strength. So, that 
> is the reason I am always asking questions and for places to obtain products 
> reasonably. then, make that list and check it twice and hope to order one 
> thing. S, here is my question. She has the blue moons and so I know she 
> is not properly dispersing the CS and think selenium plays a big role. She 
> is also fat and has not been able to lose weight. Now, what is the T3 and T4 
> and how do we find out what is needed?? Please be patient with me and help 
> me if you can.
> 
> By the way, I am s proud of my new distiller my friend purchased for me. 
> Just got it. I felt that was very important in making good CS as lots of 
> times the water would turn cloudy from using Purified Distilled water from 
> the store. I buy the reverse osmosis water from a place that does this in 
> town. We live in a small town.
> Thanks so much,
> Leslie
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Frank" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:28 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid
> 
> 
> > Hi Gina My understanding of the role of Selenium is just the opposite. 
> > Selenium is the major co-factor for the enzyme 5' diodinase which is 
> > responsible for the convesrsion of T4 into T3. Studies prove lower 
> > conversion rates in individuals with low selenium. Other studies reveal 
> > that increasing selenium is beneficial to the conversion and furthermore 
> > it reduces the formation of rT3.
> > Oliveri O, Gerelli et al. Selenium Zinc and thyroid hormones in healthy 
> > subjects low ratio of t3/t4 in older subjects Biol Trace Elem Res 1996;51 
> > 31-41
> > Kralik A, Eder K, et al. Influence of Selenium and Zinc deficiency on 
> > parameters related to thyroid metabolism Horm Metab Res 1996;28:223-226
> > and several others upon request
> > I always give selenium and zinc to those with low conversion and my 
> > experience has been positive.
> > I also give supplemental Iodine with great care. Excess iodine restricts 
> > the function of the thyroid.
> > Frank
> >
> > --
> > From: "Gina Moore" 
> > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:41 AM
> > To: 
> > Subject: RE: CS>hypothyroid
> >
> >> Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
> >> hormone). Iodine is the base of thyroid hormones, most of which made is 
> >> T4.
> >> So, if your body is making mostly T4 and you have some sort of conversion
> >> problem, then Selenium will only make it worse.
> >>
> >> That is my understanding anyway. If I can find my source on that I will
> >> post it!
> >> Gina
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:32 AM
> >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >> Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >> PT
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "Annie B Smythe" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid
> >>
> >>
> >>> Yes PT here ya go:)
> >>>
> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Annie
> >>>
> >>> Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> needling around wrote:
>  Would you mind sharing the address of the iodine list. I was taking
>  selenium and I was under the care of 2 alternative doctors and I still
>  ended up with a problem. At this point I am taking time release T3 for
>  Wilson's body temp syndrome and it is the first thing that has helped.
>  They think the problem might be in the conversion from one form to the
>  other. All of the other things, I do.
>  Thanks.
>  PT
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[Frank]

Hi Leslie,
You should be proud of yourself. Pulling the whole thing without any public 
help !
The thyroid is a small gland situated in the anterior center of the neck. 
It produces several hormones but the two major ones affecting the metabolism 
are thyroxine (T4) and triiodothyronine (T3 ). The amounts produced are 
based on a signal from the brain which sends a master hormone known as TSH. 
The thyroid produces mostly T4 (inactive form) and a little bit of T3 
(active form). The hormones circulate in the blood stream and as needed the 
liver (mostly) converts the T4 form into the T3 and other lesser forms. The 
T3 moves into the cells where it cooperates to stimulate the metabolism to 
produce energy.
To learn the levels of T3/T4 you need a medical laboratory ands someone who 
understands this complicated mechanism (many MD do not!) and can make sense 
of it.
But there is a simple test that will show you whether your metabolic rate is 
slow (which means low levels of TSH, T4 or poor comversion). It is called 
the Coca test discovered by Dr Coca at a time when MDs used to observe and 
think.
Take a thermometer (glass best) and place it next to your bedside so that 
you do not have to move much in the AM upon weakening to reach it. Shake it 
down the night before. As you wake up and very slowly take the thermometer 
and place it under you arm. After ten minutes take the temperature and go 
about your day. Repeat the routine for seven consecutive days.
Average the temperatures. The optimal range is 97.8F to 98.2F I below 
suspect low thryroid function.
Mexican pharmacies (internt very inexpensive) ship a natural thryroid 
extract (is made in USA!) that contains a fairly well standarized amount of 
hormone and could be your best bet if the basal temperature is really low. 
If  the temperature is low but close then use Lugol (start with just a few 
drops a day in water (no juices or sodas) preferebly in an empty stomach. 
Increase litle by little and retest you basal temperature ever month and 
plot to see the trend.
Vitamins A and D, selenium and zinc the amino-acid tyrosine and iodine are 
the ingredients and cofactors that make the hormones. You may want to 
supplement as well.

Good luck
Frank

--
From: "leslie" 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:56 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid

My daughter almost died and I have been nursing her back to health for 
years with no extra money so has been hard. She does not have medicaid and 
is trying to work one day a week to regain her mobility or strength. So, 
that is the reason I am always asking questions and for places to obtain 
products reasonably. then, make that list and check it twice and hope to 
order one thing. S, here is my question. She has the blue moons and so 
I know she is not properly dispersing the CS and think selenium plays a 
big role. She is also fat and has not been able to lose weight. Now, what 
is the T3 and T4 and how do we find out what is needed?? Please be patient 
with me and help me if you can.


By the way, I am s proud of my new distiller my friend purchased for 
me. Just got it. I felt that was very important in making good CS as lots 
of times the water would turn cloudy from using Purified Distilled water 
from the store. I buy the reverse osmosis water from a place that does 
this in town. We live in a small town.

Thanks so much,
Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: "Frank" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid


Hi Gina My understanding of the role of Selenium is just the opposite. 
Selenium is the major co-factor for the enzyme 5' diodinase which is 
responsible for the convesrsion of T4 into T3. Studies prove lower 
conversion rates in individuals with low selenium. Other studies reveal 
that increasing selenium is beneficial to the conversion and furthermore 
it reduces the formation of rT3.
Oliveri O, Gerelli et al. Selenium Zinc and thyroid hormones in healthy 
subjects low ratio of t3/t4 in older subjects Biol Trace Elem Res 1996;51 
31-41
Kralik A, Eder K, et al. Influence of Selenium and Zinc deficiency on 
parameters related to thyroid metabolism Horm Metab Res 1996;28:223-226

and several others upon request
I always give selenium and zinc to those with low conversion and my 
experience has been positive.
I also give supplemental Iodine with great care. Excess iodine restricts 
the function of the thyroid.

Frank

--
From: "Gina Moore" 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:41 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: CS>hypothyroid

Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 
(active
hormone).  Iodine is the base of thyroid hormones, most of which made is 
T4.
So, if your body is making mostly T4 and you have some sort of 
conversion

problem, then Selenium will only make it worse.

That is my understanding anyway.  If I can find my source on that I will
post it!
Gin

Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[needling around]

That's what I thought but I read it in a number of different places and 
don't know enough to tell truth from fiction.

PT

- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy


Something fishy here.
Ozone and microbes don't hang together...

Chuck
I love being married.
 It's so great to find that one  special person you want to annoy for
the rest of your  life.

On 3/25/2010 1:18:07 PM, needling around (ptf2...@bellsouth.net)
wrote:

The question I have been wrestling with is how to decide on a good
ozonator.
For everything I have read I have read something just the opposite.
For
example, most come with stone bubblers but then I read that the stone
bubblers break down and develop microbial activity?  If
I'm trying to get
rid of microbes why would I use one of those???
Thanks.
PT


- Original Message -
From: "Norton, Steve" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy


It depends on what your Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy application is.

If you need a total body equivalent to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, the
closest I've
seen is placing the body, except for the head, in a plastic bag
and then piping ozone into the bag. You can buy "bags" specifically
designed
for this purpose or make your own. The process is scalable, e.g. you could

place just a leg that needs treatment in a bag.

If you are trying to just increase oxygen to the internal tissues in
general, you could use ozonated oils or water. Or hydrogen peroxide
therapy.



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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[needling around]

If you want to remove mercury from the body you might want to visit with a 
Bowen practitioner.  I have witnessed a copper penny turning silver after being 
dropped into the patient's urine after a treatment.  Before treatment, same 
cup, the penny stayed copper.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alan Jones 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:53 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid


  Also, Andy Cutler, author of "Amalgam Illness", claims that chlorella can do 
more harm than good in mercury toxic people.  It can help remove mercury from 
where it's at, but it doesn't eliminate it from the body, it can just get 
deposited elsewhere in the body.

  Alan


  On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:01 PM, needling around  
wrote:

Hi Dee,
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but chlorella isn't necessarily 
all it is touted either.  Years ago I knew a woman who was an RN, LAc and colon 
hydrotherapist.  We got into a conversation one day and she told me that for 
some people chlorella clumps together in the colon and can take more than 6 
months to be discharged.  She said she saw it all the time.
PT
- Original Message - From: "Dorothy Fitzpatrick" 

To: 

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid


All this just reinforces my conviction that supplementing things like 
minerals is a very dodgy thing!  One just doesn't *know* what mineral is 
deficient (accurately) and whether supplementing wouldn't imbalance things 
which causes much worse problems.  And all things are synergistic with others 
and doctors 'normal' levels etc., are no good, because we are all so different 
in our needs.  I think its better to take them in whole food form like kelp or 
chlorella.   dee


On 25 Mar 2010, at 15:25, sol wrote:


  Gina Moore wrote:

Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 
(active
hormone).

  I recently found a tidbit that may affect thyoid conversion problems for 
many..T4 to T3 conversion does not take place when there is vit A 
deficiency.
  sol


  --
  T





  -- 
  Alan Jones

Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[cking001]

Something fishy here.
Ozone and microbes don't hang together...

Chuck
I love being married.
  It's so great to find that one  special person you want to annoy for
the rest of your  life.

On 3/25/2010 1:18:07 PM, needling around (ptf2...@bellsouth.net)
wrote:
> The question I have been wrestling with is how to decide on a good
> ozonator.
> For everything I have read I have read something just the opposite.
> For
> example, most come with stone bubblers but then I read that the stone
> bubblers break down and develop microbial activity?  If
> I'm trying to get
> rid of microbes why would I use one of those???
> Thanks.
> PT
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Norton, Steve" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:04 PM
> Subject: RE: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy
> 
> 
> It depends on what your Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy application is.
> 
> If you need a total body equivalent to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, the
> closest I've
> seen is placing the body, except for the head, in a plastic bag
> and then piping ozone into the bag. You can buy "bags" specifically
> designed
> for this purpose or make your own. The process is scalable, e.g. you could
> 
> place just a leg that needs treatment in a bag.
> 
> If you are trying to just increase oxygen to the internal tissues in
> general, you could use ozonated oils or water. Or hydrogen peroxide
> therapy.


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RE: CS>Tooth infections

[Norton, Steve]

I have mostly tried various mouthwashes, CS, H2O2, H2O2 with DMSO,
iodine, iodine with DMSO, oregano oil, cinnamon oil (if you try this,
greatly dilute it!!!) and clove oil. But the best so far is 2 drops of
grapefruit seed extract mixed with a enough water for a mouth rinse and
with 10% DMSO.

 

It does not taste good so you may have trouble getting a 5 yo to use it.
If the cavity is where you can use a swab that would be good. After
killing the infection you could try filling the cavity with dolomite
(Chuck's discovery).

 

-  Steve N

 

From: Lisa [mailto:blacksa...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:17 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com; herbal_remed...@yahoogroups.com;
alternative-medicine-fo...@yahoogroups.com;
alternativeansw...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: CS>Tooth infections

 

Hi Everybody,

 

A friend of mine has a daughter (5ish) and the dentist has told them
that her two front teeth are infected and they should be pulled. I think
it's a horrific idea and that they should battle the infection naturally
and have the teeth come out on their own (baby teeth). I think some
regularly dosing of EIS (colloidal silver) and/or hydrogen peroxide
would do wonders here (gargling with either or even both, spitting out
the hydrogen peroxide, swallowing the EIS).

 

Comments?

 

Lisa

 

 

Re: CS>Sodium Chlorite and Nail Fungus

[Marshall Dudley]

HCl is rather corrosive. I would suggest using citric acid for the 
activation (just like adding MMS to lemon juice) instead.  This is what 
I figure:


molecular weight of sodium chlorite = 90.44
molecular weight of chlorine dioxide = 67.45
molecular weight of citric acid = 192.14

So if we have a liter of water, we need to make 100 ppm which requires 
100 mg of chlorine dioxide.  This will require 100*90.44/67.75 mg of 
sodium chlorite and 100*192.75/67.25 mg of citric acid.


Thus we need 133.5 mg of sodium chlorite and 286.6 mg of citric acid per 
liter of water.   However most sodium chlorite is only 80% NaClO2, so we 
have to use 25% more, or 166.875 mg of commercially available stuff.


Now measuring the effective density of both, I find that one level 
teaspoon of sodium chlorite weights 4.4 g and one level teaspoon of 
citric acid (NOW brand) weights 5.5 g.


Thus using volume measurements I find that we need .038 teaspoon of 
sodium chlorite and  .052 teaspoon of citric acid.  Now if we multiply 
both of these by 48 (48 teaspoons) we get 1.824 and 2.495 teaspoons per 
cup of water. 

This can be approximated by using 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 teaspoon for the sodium 
chlorite, and 2 1/2 teaspoons of the citric acid in a cup of water 
each.  If you bottle each of these, then use 1 teaspoon of each in a 
liter of water for the bath, that should come pretty close to what is 
needed for the 100 ppm of chlorine dioxide.


As for proper activation, I would do what is said below, use 1 teaspoon 
each in a glass of water, wait 30 seconds for activation, then add water 
to make one liter for the final bath.


Marshall





Norton, Steve wrote:

Very interesting. Thanks.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: poast [mailto:po...@prodigy.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:07 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Kid does an experiment with CS and wins sxience fair
award

Hello Ode,

You may find this interesting to read...

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2006088790&IA=US2006005024&DISPLA
Y=DESC


Using a 5% sodium chlorite solution and 6% HCl as the activator you can
mix
up this solution by placing 5 ml (1 teaspoon) of 5% sodium chlorite in a
glass and add 5 ml of the 6% HCl to activate it.  Activation time is
about
30 seconds.

Next you add enough water to make 1 liter of total solution and use this
for
the bath for the nails (finger or toes).

This solution is slightly stronger than the one listed in the patent,
but it
is still below any adverse effects for dermal exposure.  The solution I
have
used ends up with 150 PPM free chlorine dioxide.  As mentioned in the
patent, chlorine d ioxide is capable of penetrating the nail to destroy
the
fungus living in it.  It can also penetrate through the nail into the
nail
bed where it takes care of business there as well.

To be effective, you need to stick to the 1 hour soak time, and repeat
this
every day for a week.  The fungus is killed rather quickly, but the
search
and destroy mission takes a little longer.

Tom


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Re: CS>Tooth infections

[Steve G]

I recommend EIS and H2O2.   In addition to that, and likely more effective for 
this situation, would be to use micro-electricity, which has been shown to be a 
godsend for people with tooth infections, gingivitis, plaque and so on.

There is a yahoo group I belong to called microelectricity-germkiller or 
similar.  They have easy to follow directions that show how to safely make and 
use such a device.    Very cheap. Basically, you just run wires from a 
6-volt battery or 4 D cell batteries to sponges and let the electricity run 
thru the problem area for 5 minutes then reverse the polarity.  Depending on 
how close the sponges are to each other will determine how much it tickles or 
sparkles, or creates odd sensations.   

Steve

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, Lisa  wrote:

From: Lisa 
Subject: CS>Tooth infections
To: silver-list@eskimo.com, herbal_remed...@yahoogroups.com, 
alternative-medicine-fo...@yahoogroups.com, alternativeansw...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 2:16 PM




 
 






Hi Everybody, 

   

A friend of mine has a daughter (5ish) and the dentist has
told them that her two front teeth are infected and they should be pulled. I
think it’s a horrific idea and that they should battle the infection naturally
and have the teeth come out on their own (baby teeth). I think some regularly
dosing of EIS (colloidal silver) and/or hydrogen peroxide would do wonders here
(gargling with either or even both, spitting out the hydrogen peroxide,
swallowing the EIS). 

   

Comments? 

   

Lisa 

   

   



 




  

Re: CS>hypothyroid

[Alan Jones]

Also, Andy Cutler, author of "Amalgam Illness", claims that chlorella can do
more harm than good in mercury toxic people.  It can help remove mercury
from where it's at, but it doesn't eliminate it from the body, it can just
get deposited elsewhere in the body.

Alan

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:01 PM, needling around wrote:

> Hi Dee,
> I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but chlorella isn't necessarily
> all it is touted either.  Years ago I knew a woman who was an RN, LAc and
> colon hydrotherapist.  We got into a conversation one day and she told me
> that for some people chlorella clumps together in the colon and can take
> more than 6 months to be discharged.  She said she saw it all the time.
> PT
> - Original Message - From: "Dorothy Fitzpatrick" 
>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid
>
>
> All this just reinforces my conviction that supplementing things like
> minerals is a very dodgy thing!  One just doesn't *know* what mineral is
> deficient (accurately) and whether supplementing wouldn't imbalance things
> which causes much worse problems.  And all things are synergistic with
> others and doctors 'normal' levels etc., are no good, because we are all so
> different in our needs.  I think its better to take them in whole food form
> like kelp or chlorella.   dee
>
>
> On 25 Mar 2010, at 15:25, sol wrote:
>
>  Gina Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
>>> hormone).
>>>
>> I recently found a tidbit that may affect thyoid conversion problems for
>> many..T4 to T3 conversion does not take place when there is vit A
>> deficiency.
>> sol
>>
>>
>> --
>> T
>>
>
>

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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[Christina Mattson]

I think i am going to start growing my own wheatgrass for juicing, it is 
supposed to be a good form of chlorophil. I'll let everyone know how i decide 
to go about this.  Meanwhile here's a pretty helpful link i found. 
http://nutritionholistic.com/2009/03/how-to-grow-wheatgrass-at-home/
 
Tina

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:


From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 11:52 AM


All this just reinforces my conviction that supplementing things like minerals 
is a very dodgy thing!  One just doesn't *know* what mineral is deficient 
(accurately) and whether supplementing wouldn't imbalance things which causes 
much worse problems.  And all things are synergistic with others and doctors 
'normal' levels etc., are no good, because we are all so different in our 
needs.  I think its better to take them in whole food form like kelp or 
chlorella.   dee

On 25 Mar 2010, at 15:25, sol wrote:

> Gina Moore wrote:
>> Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
>> hormone).  
> I recently found a tidbit that may affect thyoid conversion problems for 
> many..T4 to T3 conversion does not take place when there is vit A 
> deficiency.
> sol
> 
> 
> --
> T


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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[needling around]

Hi Dee,
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but chlorella isn't necessarily all 
it is touted either.  Years ago I knew a woman who was an RN, LAc and colon 
hydrotherapist.  We got into a conversation one day and she told me that for 
some people chlorella clumps together in the colon and can take more than 6 
months to be discharged.  She said she saw it all the time.

PT
- Original Message - 
From: "Dorothy Fitzpatrick" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid


All this just reinforces my conviction that supplementing things like 
minerals is a very dodgy thing!  One just doesn't *know* what mineral is 
deficient (accurately) and whether supplementing wouldn't imbalance things 
which causes much worse problems.  And all things are synergistic with 
others and doctors 'normal' levels etc., are no good, because we are all so 
different in our needs.  I think its better to take them in whole food form 
like kelp or chlorella.   dee


On 25 Mar 2010, at 15:25, sol wrote:


Gina Moore wrote:

Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
hormone).
I recently found a tidbit that may affect thyoid conversion problems for 
many..T4 to T3 conversion does not take place when there is vit A 
deficiency.

sol


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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

The trouble is, Annie, that what works wonderfully for *you* could be 
disastrous for someone else!  We are all so different and have different needs, 
but I'm glad it has worked for you.  dee

On 25 Mar 2010, at 17:17, Annie B Smythe wrote:

> Gina, the liver needs vit A for a lot of things including other hormones, and 
> the reuptake of estrogen to deactivate excess and remove it through bile and 
> urine. Better do some more reading on Selenium and why we take it with 
> Iodine, I think breastcancerchoices.com has a list and the reason for each, 
> or maybe it was the Iodine Gruop. I've read so much over the last year I 
> don't remember where all my sources are. I have no problem at all with my 
> thyroid hormones and I take 200 - 600 mg per day. If there were a problem it 
> would have shown up by now. It also depends on the form of Selenium you use. 
> You can find people to say bad things about anything. I read and researched 
> the pros and cons, everything I could get my hands on really, before I ever 
> started taking the Iodine.
> 
> Someone just posted recently on another group that high Vit C intake is bad 
> for you. So you see, you can find bad info anywhere. The best thing to do is 
> dig for yourself and then you'll know. I'm satisfied that what I'm doing is 
> good for me. I've done my research and I do my best to keep up with the 
> latest studies and news about all this stuff.
> 
> Annie
> 
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> 
> 


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Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I don't agree with the tag line *at all*   dee

On 25 Mar 2010, at 15:39, Paul Steel wrote:

> try this website and see if there is a dr near you
>  
> http://www.oxygenhealingtherapies.com/my_ozone_doctor.com.html
>  
> Paul Steel
> 
> h 508.520.6905
> 
> c 508.922.0519
> 
> The harder you work the luckier you get!
> 
>  
> 
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Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[needling around]

Thanks, Steve.  
PT


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy


Again, it depends on your application. I would highly recommend that as
a minimum the ozone generator have the capability to accept an air dryer
on the generator air input. This is to minimize the creation of nitric
acid by the ozone generator. For the same reason, it is desirable  for
the generator to use a cold plasma ozone technology rather than corona
discharge but if you use an air dryer the corona discharge is probably
good enough for all but making fully ozonated oils. For making fully
ozonated oils you will also need a pure oxygen source capability. 


As for the bubbler, ozone is a strong oxidizer and the glue used in
stone bubblers will not last for a long time. For that reason they
recommend ceramic bubblers (and silicone tubing). Most ceramic bubblers
are expensive but one source of inexpensive ceramic bubblers is:
http://shop.toolsforhealing.com/category_s/7.htm

I am not aware of a microbial problem with stone bubblers. If you get a
good deal on an ozone generator but it comes with a stone bubbler, just
replace the bubbler with a ceramic one.

- Steve N

-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:18 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

The question I have been wrestling with is how to decide on a good
ozonator. 
For everything I have read I have read something just the opposite.  For


example, most come with stone bubblers but then I read that the stone 
bubblers break down and develop microbial activity?  If I'm trying to
get 
rid of microbes why would I use one of those???

Thanks.
PT


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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

All this just reinforces my conviction that supplementing things like minerals 
is a very dodgy thing!  One just doesn't *know* what mineral is deficient 
(accurately) and whether supplementing wouldn't imbalance things which causes 
much worse problems.  And all things are synergistic with others and doctors 
'normal' levels etc., are no good, because we are all so different in our 
needs.  I think its better to take them in whole food form like kelp or 
chlorella.   dee

On 25 Mar 2010, at 15:25, sol wrote:

> Gina Moore wrote:
>> Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
>> hormone).  
> I recently found a tidbit that may affect thyoid conversion problems for 
> many..T4 to T3 conversion does not take place when there is vit A 
> deficiency.
> sol
> 
> 
> --
> T


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Re: CS>Tooth infections

[Saralou Pedigo]

I agree that using an LED display will help.  Faster is electricity.  Just
be careful--use it privately so people won't think you're electrocuting
yourself.

That being said, I can't tell you how to make the latest instrument, only
that they work because when I first joined the microelectricity group I made
one with a 6 v lantern battery and it works great on tooth infection.
Swishing with good stuff (EIS, diluted oregano oil, peroxide, grain alcohol,
salt water) will keep infection at bay once you've routed it.

Here's the link.  Sorry it's another group but they do have it all filed..
You can read what you want and close out your membership.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/join


http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/sLKrSwM4mx26gAX9a2u5HODdblabSt1eDoht90sZsAc_lfFEbO23dRySM_-EId-fFE1kvl2N12yYFnGD0gizMYZz2XuqFLw/GodRods.pdf




On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Christina Mattson wrote:

> Hi i don't have a lot of time right now to go into details but i will start
> with saying that my son has low white blood count and has trouble healing. I
> use Red LED light over areas that don't heal quickly and it really speeds up
> the healing. I bought a costly hand held unit but then started researching
> the bulbs and found that no matter what type they all work about the same. i
> wrote about this on this list earlier, don't know if it's in the archives or
> not. It has helped my back pain tremendously, even got rid of a wart on a
> friends hand that she had for many years. helps rebuild collagen, the
> benefits are many. If you can find anything with Red LED bulbs it pretty
> much works. I purchased some little round pendants at the pet store for
> hanging on collars or zippers for illumination in the dark and they even
> helped with painful areas and infections, i also purchased a mini Christmas
> light strand that is battery operated and it works great.
> Some children's cancer treatment centers use Red LED to help heal the mouth
> sores caused by the Chemo.
> Pair this up with any other treatment and i think the infection won't stand
> a chance.
> The only thing i need to tell you is if there is any implant or foreign
> object of any kind it will cause the body to force it out, i had a implanted
> support strut in my nose and it cause my body to start trying to for it out,
> it was in an area where it may not have been able to get all the way out on
> its own so i had to have it surgically removed. That was OK because I had
> already grown enough of my own tissue to support my nose without it.
> Good Luck
>
> Tina
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 3/25/10, Lisa * wrote:
>
>
> From: Lisa 
> Subject: CS>Tooth infections
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com, herbal_remed...@yahoogroups.com,
> alternative-medicine-fo...@yahoogroups.com,
> alternativeansw...@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:16 AM
>
>  Hi Everybody,
>
>
>
> A friend of mine has a daughter (5ish) and the dentist has told them that
> her two front teeth are infected and they should be pulled. I think it’s a
> horrific idea and that they should battle the infection naturally and have
> the teeth come out on their own (baby teeth). I think some regularly dosing
> of EIS (colloidal silver) and/or hydrogen peroxide would do wonders here
> (gargling with either or even both, spitting out the hydrogen peroxide,
> swallowing the EIS).
>
>
>
> Comments?
>
>
>
> Lisa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: CS>off-topic: Thank You All>Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[polo]

Thank you for saying so. I was quite intrigued with this myself though I have 
yet to do much experimenatation.

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christina Mattson 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:18 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>off-topic: Thank You All>Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy


Wow,  i was considering buying my own Hyperbaric Chanmber for my son 
who has Down Syndrome because masking as recommended by the Doman Institutes 
was not possible or feasable for us. It would be another year or so before i 
could save up enough money and this was stressing me out because as i speak his 
Windows of Opportunity for learning are speeding by. I know were supposed to 
keep thank you's to a minimum but this has made my whole year. 
Thank you all so much.

Tina 

Re: FW: CS>Tooth infections

[Bob Banever]

Lisa,

You can destroy any bacterial infection in or on a tooth or root by 
using a device called the Godzilla.  It sends a small (3 - 6 volt) DC charge 
through the tooth killing any bacteria in it's path.  Works every time for 
me.  Go to microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo.  You can purchase one 
direct from lig...@theledman.com too.  Good luck
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: FW: CS>Tooth infections



Oragonol can also work wonders on infected teeth and gums.

Marshall

Lisa wrote:


As a follow up – it **could** be that the root is dead…awaiting a 
confirmation on that.


***

Hi Everybody,

A friend of mine has a daughter (5ish) and the dentist has told them that 
her two front teeth are infected and they should be pulled. I think it’s 
a horrific idea and that they should battle the infection naturally and 
have the teeth come out on their own (baby teeth). I think some regularly 
dosing of EIS (colloidal silver) and/or hydrogen peroxide would do 
wonders here (gargling with either or even both, spitting out the 
hydrogen peroxide, swallowing the EIS).


Comments?

Lisa




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Re: CS>off-topic: Thank You All>Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[Christina Mattson]

Wow,  i was considering buying my own Hyperbaric Chanmber for my son who has 
Down Syndrome because masking as recommended by the Doman Institutes was not 
possible or feasable for us. It would be another year or so before i could save 
up enough money and this was stressing me out because as i speak his Windows of 
Opportunity for learning are speeding by. I know were supposed to keep thank 
you's to a minimum but this has made my whole year. 
Thank you all so much.
 
Tina

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, polo  wrote:


From: polo 
Subject: Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:21 AM



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>From Dr. W. C Douglass' book, HYDROGEN PEROXIDE:
 
"Even nebulization works (of H2O2).  Doctor Finney and his colleagues at Baylor 
had rabbits breath H2O2, mixed in saline solution. The amount of oxygen 
increase found in the blood was twice what would be obtained from the average 
hyperbaric oxygen treatment. The HBO treatment costs about $150, the H2O2 
nebulization one, about a dime."
 
 
doug
 
 

- Original Message - 
 


Is anyone aware of alternatives to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? (or something 
less than $5,000?)
 
Thank you in advance,
 
Rusty



  

Re: CS>Tooth infections

[Christina Mattson]

Hi i don't have a lot of time right now to go into details but i will start 
with saying that my son has low white blood count and has trouble healing. I 
use Red LED light over areas that don't heal quickly and it really speeds up 
the healing. I bought a costly hand held unit but then started researching the 
bulbs and found that no matter what type they all work about the same. i wrote 
about this on this list earlier, don't know if it's in the archives or not. It 
has helped my back pain tremendously, even got rid of a wart on a friends hand 
that she had for many years. helps rebuild collagen, the benefits are many. If 
you can find anything with Red LED bulbs it pretty much works. I purchased some 
little round pendants at the pet store for hanging on collars or zippers for 
illumination in the dark and they even helped with painful areas and 
infections, i also purchased a mini Christmas light strand that is battery 
operated and it works great.
Some children's cancer treatment centers use Red LED to help heal the mouth 
sores caused by the Chemo.
Pair this up with any other treatment and i think the infection won't stand a 
chance.
The only thing i need to tell you is if there is any implant or foreign object 
of any kind it will cause the body to force it out, i had a implanted support 
strut in my nose and it cause my body to start trying to for it out, it was in 
an area where it may not have been able to get all the way out on its own so i 
had to have it surgically removed. That was OK because I had already grown 
enough of my own tissue to support my nose without it.
Good Luck
 
Tina


--- On Thu, 3/25/10, Lisa  wrote:


From: Lisa 
Subject: CS>Tooth infections
To: silver-list@eskimo.com, herbal_remed...@yahoogroups.com, 
alternative-medicine-fo...@yahoogroups.com, alternativeansw...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:16 AM








Hi Everybody,
 
A friend of mine has a daughter (5ish) and the dentist has told them that her 
two front teeth are infected and they should be pulled. I think it’s a horrific 
idea and that they should battle the infection naturally and have the teeth 
come out on their own (baby teeth). I think some regularly dosing of EIS 
(colloidal silver) and/or hydrogen peroxide would do wonders here (gargling 
with either or even both, spitting out the hydrogen peroxide, swallowing the 
EIS).
 
Comments?
 
Lisa
 
 


  

Re: CS>hypothyroid

[leslie]

My daughter almost died and I have been nursing her back to health for years 
with no extra money so has been hard. She does not have medicaid and is 
trying to work one day a week to regain her mobility or strength. So, that 
is the reason I am always asking questions and for places to obtain products 
reasonably. then, make that list and check it twice and hope to order one 
thing. S, here is my question. She has the blue moons and so I know she 
is not properly dispersing the CS and think selenium plays a big role. She 
is also fat and has not been able to lose weight. Now, what is the T3 and T4 
and how do we find out what is needed?? Please be patient with me and help 
me if you can.


By the way, I am s proud of my new distiller my friend purchased for me. 
Just got it. I felt that was very important in making good CS as lots of 
times the water would turn cloudy from using Purified Distilled water from 
the store. I buy the reverse osmosis water from a place that does this in 
town. We live in a small town.

Thanks so much,
Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: "Frank" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid


Hi Gina My understanding of the role of Selenium is just the opposite. 
Selenium is the major co-factor for the enzyme 5' diodinase which is 
responsible for the convesrsion of T4 into T3. Studies prove lower 
conversion rates in individuals with low selenium. Other studies reveal 
that increasing selenium is beneficial to the conversion and furthermore 
it reduces the formation of rT3.
Oliveri O, Gerelli et al. Selenium Zinc and thyroid hormones in healthy 
subjects low ratio of t3/t4 in older subjects Biol Trace Elem Res 1996;51 
31-41
Kralik A, Eder K, et al. Influence of Selenium and Zinc deficiency on 
parameters related to thyroid metabolism Horm Metab Res 1996;28:223-226

and several others upon request
I always give selenium and zinc to those with low conversion and my 
experience has been positive.
I also give supplemental Iodine with great care. Excess iodine restricts 
the function of the thyroid.

Frank

--
From: "Gina Moore" 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:41 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: CS>hypothyroid


Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
hormone).  Iodine is the base of thyroid hormones, most of which made is 
T4.

So, if your body is making mostly T4 and you have some sort of conversion
problem, then Selenium will only make it worse.

That is my understanding anyway.  If I can find my source on that I will
post it!
Gina

-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:32 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid

Thanks.
PT
- Original Message - 
From: "Annie B Smythe" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid



Yes PT here ya go:)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


needling around wrote:

Would you mind sharing the address of the iodine list.  I was taking
selenium and I was under the care of 2 alternative doctors and I still
ended up with a problem.  At this point I am taking time release T3 for
Wilson's body temp syndrome and it is the first thing that has helped.
They think the problem might be in the conversion from one form to the
other.  All of the other things, I do.
Thanks.
PT



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RE: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[Rusty Moncrief]

Thanks to everyone who has responded so far!  I have heard that this can be 
used for ADHD (mines undiagnosed but I have all the symptoms (oddly, i feel its 
a blessing it just happens to make running a business by yourself difficult)) 
and for athletes.  I own a gym, teach fitness classes and compete in several 
types of athletic events and thought this might be helpful after hearing an 
advertisement for it from a local hospital.  Everything that has been mentioned 
is new to me so I have lots to learn so I can make a decision but please keep 
the suggestions and info coming!!

 

Rusty  
 


From: dah...@centurytel.net

 
 
 

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Is anyone aware of alternatives to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? (or something 
less than $5,000?)
 
Thank you in advance,
 
Rusty
  
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Re: FW: CS>Tooth infections

[Marshall Dudley]

Oragonol can also work wonders on infected teeth and gums.

Marshall

Lisa wrote:


As a follow up – it **could** be that the root is dead…awaiting a 
confirmation on that.


***

Hi Everybody,

A friend of mine has a daughter (5ish) and the dentist has told them 
that her two front teeth are infected and they should be pulled. I 
think it’s a horrific idea and that they should battle the infection 
naturally and have the teeth come out on their own (baby teeth). I 
think some regularly dosing of EIS (colloidal silver) and/or hydrogen 
peroxide would do wonders here (gargling with either or even both, 
spitting out the hydrogen peroxide, swallowing the EIS).


Comments?

Lisa




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RE: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[Norton, Steve]

Again, it depends on your application. I would highly recommend that as
a minimum the ozone generator have the capability to accept an air dryer
on the generator air input. This is to minimize the creation of nitric
acid by the ozone generator. For the same reason, it is desirable  for
the generator to use a cold plasma ozone technology rather than corona
discharge but if you use an air dryer the corona discharge is probably
good enough for all but making fully ozonated oils. For making fully
ozonated oils you will also need a pure oxygen source capability. 

As for the bubbler, ozone is a strong oxidizer and the glue used in
stone bubblers will not last for a long time. For that reason they
recommend ceramic bubblers (and silicone tubing). Most ceramic bubblers
are expensive but one source of inexpensive ceramic bubblers is:
http://shop.toolsforhealing.com/category_s/7.htm

I am not aware of a microbial problem with stone bubblers. If you get a
good deal on an ozone generator but it comes with a stone bubbler, just
replace the bubbler with a ceramic one.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:18 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

The question I have been wrestling with is how to decide on a good
ozonator. 
For everything I have read I have read something just the opposite.  For

example, most come with stone bubblers but then I read that the stone 
bubblers break down and develop microbial activity?  If I'm trying to
get 
rid of microbes why would I use one of those???
Thanks.
PT


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Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[Harvey Metzler]

I have heard pros and cons and the cons on this are is that it is not 
nearly as effective as rectal ozone.  However, if you want deep tissue 
work, you need 30 psi and a tube you can load body into for the the 
treatment.


Harvey in Housotn

Norton, Steve wrote:
It depends on what your Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy application is. 


If you need a total body equivalent to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, the closest I've seen 
is placing the body, except for the head, in a plastic bag and then piping ozone into the 
bag. You can buy "bags" specifically designed for this purpose or make your 
own. The process is scalable, e.g. you could place just a leg that needs treatment in a 
bag.

If you are trying to just increase oxygen to the internal tissues in general, 
you could use ozonated oils or water. Or hydrogen peroxide therapy. Both of 
these have IV versions in addition to ingested liquid versions. H2O2 is also 
inhaled by some.

Stabilized oxygen or MMS may be suitable for some applications. Stabilized oxygen is a 5% sodium chlorite solution. MMS is a 28% sodium chlorite solution that also uses an activator to convert more of the sodium chlorite to chlorine dioxide. 


Another option is ingesting plants or supplements that increase the oxygen 
carrying capability of the blood. I don't remember what plants they are off the 
top of my head. I don't have data on just how effective they are. I use some in 
my powdered plant supplement mix but not specifically for treatment of a 
problem.

- Steve N


From: Rusty Moncrief [mailto:sinso...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:35 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy


Is anyone aware of alternatives to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? (or something 
less than $5,000?)
 
Thank you in advance,
 
Rusty



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FW: CS>Tooth infections

[Lisa]

As a follow up - it *could* be that the root is dead.awaiting a confirmation
on that.

 

***

Hi Everybody,

 

A friend of mine has a daughter (5ish) and the dentist has told them that
her two front teeth are infected and they should be pulled. I think it's a
horrific idea and that they should battle the infection naturally and have
the teeth come out on their own (baby teeth). I think some regularly dosing
of EIS (colloidal silver) and/or hydrogen peroxide would do wonders here
(gargling with either or even both, spitting out the hydrogen peroxide,
swallowing the EIS).

 

Comments?

 

Lisa

 

 

Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[polo]

>From Dr. W. C Douglass' book, HYDROGEN PEROXIDE:

"Even nebulization works (of H2O2).  Doctor Finney and his colleagues at Baylor 
had rabbits breath H2O2, mixed in saline solution. The amount of oxygen 
increase found in the blood was twice what would be obtained from the average 
hyperbaric oxygen treatment. The HBO treatment costs about $150, the H2O2 
nebulization one, about a dime."


doug


  - Original Message - 




  Is anyone aware of alternatives to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? (or something 
less than $5,000?)
   
  Thank you in advance,
   
  Rusty

CS>Tooth infections

[Lisa]

Hi Everybody,

 

A friend of mine has a daughter (5ish) and the dentist has told them that
her two front teeth are infected and they should be pulled. I think it's a
horrific idea and that they should battle the infection naturally and have
the teeth come out on their own (baby teeth). I think some regularly dosing
of EIS (colloidal silver) and/or hydrogen peroxide would do wonders here
(gargling with either or even both, spitting out the hydrogen peroxide,
swallowing the EIS).

 

Comments?

 

Lisa

 

 

Re: CS>Fungus Toenails

[Brickeyk]

Has anyone tried Neem oil? Neem works for tree fungus problems so why not  
toenails?
Brickey

Re: CS>Toenail fungus & tinea

[Sandee George]

check with Ode on this link - he has it for sale
Cheers
Sandee


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Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[needling around]

The question I have been wrestling with is how to decide on a good ozonator. 
For everything I have read I have read something just the opposite.  For 
example, most come with stone bubblers but then I read that the stone 
bubblers break down and develop microbial activity?  If I'm trying to get 
rid of microbes why would I use one of those???

Thanks.
PT


- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy


It depends on what your Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy application is.

If you need a total body equivalent to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, the 
closest I've seen is placing the body, except for the head, in a plastic bag 
and then piping ozone into the bag. You can buy "bags" specifically designed 
for this purpose or make your own. The process is scalable, e.g. you could 
place just a leg that needs treatment in a bag.


If you are trying to just increase oxygen to the internal tissues in 
general, you could use ozonated oils or water. Or hydrogen peroxide therapy. 
Both of these have IV versions in addition to ingested liquid versions. H2O2 
is also inhaled by some.


Stabilized oxygen or MMS may be suitable for some applications. Stabilized 
oxygen is a 5% sodium chlorite solution. MMS is a 28% sodium chlorite 
solution that also uses an activator to convert more of the sodium chlorite 
to chlorine dioxide.


Another option is ingesting plants or supplements that increase the oxygen 
carrying capability of the blood. I don't remember what plants they are off 
the top of my head. I don't have data on just how effective they are. I use 
some in my powdered plant supplement mix but not specifically for treatment 
of a problem.


- Steve N


From: Rusty Moncrief [mailto:sinso...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy


Is anyone aware of alternatives to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? (or something 
less than $5,000?)


Thank you in advance,

Rusty


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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[Annie B Smythe]

Gina, the liver needs vit A for a lot of things 
including other hormones, and the reuptake of 
estrogen to deactivate excess and remove it 
through bile and urine. Better do some more 
reading on Selenium and why we take it with 
Iodine, I think breastcancerchoices.com has a list 
and the reason for each, or maybe it was the 
Iodine Gruop. I've read so much over the last year 
I don't remember where all my sources are. I have 
no problem at all with my thyroid hormones and I 
take 200 - 600 mg per day. If there were a problem 
it would have shown up by now. It also depends on 
the form of Selenium you use. You can find people 
to say bad things about anything. I read and 
researched the pros and cons, everything I could 
get my hands on really, before I ever started 
taking the Iodine.


Someone just posted recently on another group that 
high Vit C intake is bad for you. So you see, you 
can find bad info anywhere. The best thing to do 
is dig for yourself and then you'll know. I'm 
satisfied that what I'm doing is good for me. I've 
done my research and I do my best to keep up with 
the latest studies and news about all this stuff.


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


sol wrote:

Gina Moore wrote:

Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
hormone).  
I recently found a tidbit that may affect thyoid conversion problems for 
many..T4 to T3 conversion does not take place when there is vit 
A deficiency.

sol


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RE: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[Norton, Steve]

It depends on what your Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy application is. 

If you need a total body equivalent to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, the closest 
I've seen is placing the body, except for the head, in a plastic bag and then 
piping ozone into the bag. You can buy "bags" specifically designed for this 
purpose or make your own. The process is scalable, e.g. you could place just a 
leg that needs treatment in a bag.

If you are trying to just increase oxygen to the internal tissues in general, 
you could use ozonated oils or water. Or hydrogen peroxide therapy. Both of 
these have IV versions in addition to ingested liquid versions. H2O2 is also 
inhaled by some.

Stabilized oxygen or MMS may be suitable for some applications. Stabilized 
oxygen is a 5% sodium chlorite solution. MMS is a 28% sodium chlorite solution 
that also uses an activator to convert more of the sodium chlorite to chlorine 
dioxide. 

Another option is ingesting plants or supplements that increase the oxygen 
carrying capability of the blood. I don't remember what plants they are off the 
top of my head. I don't have data on just how effective they are. I use some in 
my powdered plant supplement mix but not specifically for treatment of a 
problem.

- Steve N


From: Rusty Moncrief [mailto:sinso...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy


Is anyone aware of alternatives to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? (or something 
less than $5,000?)
 
Thank you in advance,
 
Rusty


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Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[Paul Steel]

try this website and see if there is a dr near you

http://www.oxygenhealingtherapies.com/my_ozone_doctor.com.html
 
Paul Steel
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From: Rusty Moncrief 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 11:35:27 AM
Subject: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy


Is anyone aware of alternatives to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? (or something 
less than $5,000?)
 
Thank you in advance,
 
Rusty


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Re: CS>Toenail fungus & tinea

[needling around]

Would you send the directions for making the gel?  I wonder if it would be 
effective for tinea versicolor?

Thanks.
PT

- Original Message - 
From: "Sandee George" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Toenail fungus and Godzilla


Hi There Bob - if anyone has used Ode's EIS Gel on this, it would  clear 
it right up within three to six weeks max - this has been my  experience 
with my own gel and I have about ten testimonials to  validate this 
statement unless of course the strain of fungus is  different which is 
entirely possible.

Regards
Sandee


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Re: CS>Toenail fungus and Godzilla

[Sandee George]

Hi There Bob - if anyone has used Ode's EIS Gel on this, it would  
clear it right up within three to six weeks max - this has been my  
experience with my own gel and I have about ten testimonials to  
validate this statement unless of course the strain of fungus is  
different which is entirely possible.

Regards
Sandee


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Re: CS>Toenail fungus and Godzilla

[Bob Banever]

Tony,

 No but it might be worth a try.  An incandescent light bulb might work by 
holding it close enough to the nail so that it gets hot.  The heat will 
penetrate and kill the fungus but I understand it takes several treatments to 
work and you have to be careful not to burn yourself.
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:27 AM
  Subject: CS>Toenail fungus and Godzilla


  No kidding.  Hmmm -- Bob Banever is also on this list -- Bob, have you ever 
heard of anyone treating nail fungus successfully with a Godzilla?
  Thanks for the info, Tony.
  MA




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  Yes Ma,

  Richard Loyds electric footbaths is basically a gzilla with water
  containers as the electodes to connect to your feet.


  On 24 Mar 2010 at 12:20, MaryAnn Helland wrote about :
  Subject : Re: CS>Fungus Toenails

  > Um -- are we talking about treating the fungal infection with
  > electricity?  I have a Godzilla -- wonder if that would do the trick?
  > MA
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > 
  > From: needling around 
  > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  > Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:05:25 PM
  > Subject: Re: CS>Fungus Toenails
  >
  > Sorry about that.
  >
  > I just wanted to share that for those without a zapper they could look
  > into FreX.  I haven't actually used this protocol so I would not presume
  > to tell someone how to proceed. PT - Original Message - From: "Dan
  > Nave"  To:  Sent:
  > Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fungus Toenails
  >
  >
  > How is this applied?  In what manner is it used?
  >
  > Corrected url is:  www.heal-me.com.au
  >
  > Dan
  >
  >
  > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:15 AM, needling around 
  > wrote: > Thank you for this, Tony. It was a great article that answered
  > some > questions I have. > > For those that don't know about FreX. It is a
  > free frequency program > available at www.heal-me.au. Under 'Z' is a Hulda
  > Clark Zapper program that > contains all the zapper frequencies. > PT >
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Re: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

[Bob Banever]

Rusty,

  If you want to oxygenate your body try using Cellfood... this is made 
from deuterium or heavy water... it splits water molecules into hydrogen and 
oxygen, freeing oxygen in your body.  Just Google it for purchase info.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rusty Moncrief 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:35 AM
  Subject: CS>off-topic: Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy



  Is anyone aware of alternatives to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? (or something 
less than $5,000?)
   
  Thank you in advance,
   
  Rusty


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[Rusty Moncrief]

Is anyone aware of alternatives to Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? (or something 
less than $5,000?)

 

Thank you in advance,

 

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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[sol]

Gina Moore wrote:

Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
hormone).  
I recently found a tidbit that may affect thyoid conversion problems for 
many..T4 to T3 conversion does not take place when there is vit 
A deficiency.

sol


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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[sol]

Louise Larabie wrote:
  


IF you have conversion problem it might actually be low iron or low adrenals
that is causing the body not to assimilate the thyroid hormones properly (my
problem is not assimilating properly, though I have high iron as well, 

Louise,
 Excess iron causes as many thyroid problems as too little.
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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[sol]

Louise Larabie wrote:

Problem is that lack of iodine is not the only reason there would be
symptoms of low thyroid.

  

I agree with that.
sol


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Re: CS>OT - CHEMTRAILS OVER LOS ANGELES

[Sunwaterclear - Sunny]

OK, Ode, you have an explanation and I get that and I am still thinking what 
about the statement in Bob's post that said residues had been discovered?  I 
checked one of the sites and found this.  NOW the quest, it seems, for anyone 
who might want to follow the trail is 'how true is this information in the 
paragraphs below?' And as Bob said, now might be a good time, anyway, to take 
CS/EIS regularly, as I did last night when interacting with someone who had a 
cold.  

There is pollution in the food, in the air, in the soil, in the waters and even 
in the carpets... 

Regardless of this data, it reinforces to me that CS is a vital tool in our 
drive to MAINTAIN WELLNESS [yes that is meant to be shouting ;-)...

I gave the man with the cold a bottle of CS and told him what to do.  It seems 
to me that by passing this on with some words of information and validation on 
a personal and trusted others reports of success, we are doing a great service. 
 

And with that I re-ask the question... how true is this information and wonder 
who might be incited to follow this particular trail ;-)  Still remembering 
that when we build our defences, our most precious, our immune system, we are 
fuelling the soldiers who fight our invaders and keep this precious vessel 
alive, healthy and able to be better from feeling better..

Geo-Engineering (Wikipedia def) is the artificial modification of Earth's 
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Geo-Engineering projects range from DECLASSIFIED experimentation (like iron 
particles being dumped into the oceans to attract algae, which sequesters 
carbon and, theoretically, slows global warming) to HIGHLY CLASSIFIED 
experimentation like AEROSOL SPRAYING (chemical spraying). The two most quickly 
advancing Geo-Engineering philosophies are carbon dioxide removal (CDR) and 
solar radiation management (SRM). Geo-Engineering also includes EMF/Atomspheric 
Heaters, like HAARP.

This website DOES NOT track the movements of citizen based geo-engineering 
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CLEAR THE CONCLUSION THAT AEROSOL SPRAYING HAS BEEN AN ONGOING LETHAL REALITY. 

Aluminum, Barium and other elements have been found in surface waters, air 
samples and soil tests, HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF TIMES HIGHER THAN EPA 
ALLOWABLE LEVELS.
Geoengineer David Keith announced at the AAAS meeting in San Diego, On 
Saturday, Feb. 20th, that the stratospheric AEROSOL geoengineering program is 
no longer considering using sulfur and NOW WILL BE USING ALUMINUM, over 10 
MEGATONS per year. 

".we havent done anything serious on aluminum (studies, research etc) and 
so there could be something terrible that we will find tomorrow that we havent 
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From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 7:32:37 AM
Subject: Re: CS>OT - CHEMTRAILS OVER LOS ANGELES



What you find on the ground has no meaning at all.  There's all sorts of crap 
on the ground and you just don't know where it came from.
  Unless you go up there and take a direct sample, chem trails remain a con 
perfectly explainable by relative humidity, the fact that air is not homogenous 
and the addition of water vapor from hydro-carbon combustion kicks high 
humidity zones into cloud formation.
Even the jet cannot possibly carry that much water [or spray] and most of it 
was already there.  "Hydro-carbon" Hydrogen plus Oxygen = water.  Add come 
carbon particles for that water to condense onto with an increased relative 
humidity = cloud that will not dissipate while the air at that altitude is that 
damp.
There are ways to calculate the volume and weight of water in a cloud and the 
numbers just don't add up to an airplane being ABLE to carry it all up there. 
"NOT POSSIBLE"
That trail is far heavi

Re: CS>hypothyroid

[Frank]

Hi Gina My understanding of the role of Selenium is just the opposite. 
Selenium is the major co-factor for the enzyme 5' diodinase which is 
responsible for the convesrsion of T4 into T3. Studies prove lower 
conversion rates in individuals with low selenium. Other studies reveal that 
increasing selenium is beneficial to the conversion and furthermore it 
reduces the formation of rT3.
Oliveri O, Gerelli et al. Selenium Zinc and thyroid hormones in healthy 
subjects low ratio of t3/t4 in older subjects Biol Trace Elem Res 1996;51 
31-41
Kralik A, Eder K, et al. Influence of Selenium and Zinc deficiency on 
parameters related to thyroid metabolism Horm Metab Res 1996;28:223-226

and several others upon request
I always give selenium and zinc to those with low conversion and my 
experience has been positive.
I also give supplemental Iodine with great care. Excess iodine restricts the 
function of the thyroid.

Frank

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From: "Gina Moore" 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:41 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: CS>hypothyroid


Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
hormone).  Iodine is the base of thyroid hormones, most of which made is 
T4.

So, if your body is making mostly T4 and you have some sort of conversion
problem, then Selenium will only make it worse.

That is my understanding anyway.  If I can find my source on that I will
post it!
Gina

-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:32 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid

Thanks.
PT
- Original Message - 
From: "Annie B Smythe" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid



Yes PT here ya go:)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


needling around wrote:

Would you mind sharing the address of the iodine list.  I was taking
selenium and I was under the care of 2 alternative doctors and I still
ended up with a problem.  At this point I am taking time release T3 for
Wilson's body temp syndrome and it is the first thing that has helped.
They think the problem might be in the conversion from one form to the
other.  All of the other things, I do.
Thanks.
PT



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CS>RE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE

[Tel Tofflemire]

Contact me if you need Real Lugol's 5 % Iodine. 
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.
http://www.quailwoodherbal.com
~~



From: Tel Tofflemire 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 6:59:41 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney Stones, Cure


I think you better double check that one out, Kidney Stones are nothing to 
experiment with.  Herbal treatment is the mildest and best I have ever used. 
It's just drinking a special Herbal Tea for about 3 days at the most rather 
than coffee.
Http://www.quailwoodherbal.com Tel Tofflemire
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From: needling around 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 7:23:00 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney Stones

 
I understand that magnesium is hydrophylic to the colon and 
thus pulls water out of the urinary tract and thus is not recommended in high 
doses for people with kidney disease.  Can anyone explain, then why it is 
used for kidney stones? It would seem to lower the amount of water in the 
urinary tract and thus contribute to the stones.
Thanks.
PT
- Original Message - 
>From: Paul Bond 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:31 
>  AM
>Subject: CS>Kidney Stones
>
>
>I would be very curious to know if all those things that 
>  clear kidney stones aren’t unusually high in Magnesium.  Enough magnesium 
>  to match the calcium should do the trick.  Also Vit B6 reduces oxylytic 
>  acid, which otherwise combines with calcium to produce calcium oxalate, 
> which 
>  is present in stones usually.
> 
>Paul B
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Re: CS>Kidney Stones, Cure

[Tel Tofflemire]

I think you better double check that one out, Kidney Stones are nothing to 
experiment with.  Herbal treatment is the mildest and best I have ever used. 
It's just drinking a special Herbal Tea for about 3 days at the most rather 
than coffee.
Http://www.quailwoodherbal.com Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: needling around 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 7:23:00 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney Stones

 
I understand that magnesium is hydrophylic to the colon and 
thus pulls water out of the urinary tract and thus is not recommended in high 
doses for people with kidney disease.  Can anyone explain, then why it is 
used for kidney stones? It would seem to lower the amount of water in the 
urinary tract and thus contribute to the stones.
Thanks.
PT
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>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:31 
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>Subject: CS>Kidney Stones
>
>
>I would be very curious to know if all those things that 
>  clear kidney stones aren’t unusually high in Magnesium.  Enough magnesium 
>  to match the calcium should do the trick.  Also Vit B6 reduces oxylytic 
>  acid, which otherwise combines with calcium to produce calcium oxalate, 
> which 
>  is present in stones usually.
> 
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Re: CS>hypothyroid--LUGOL' S - IODINE 5% works well !

[Tel Tofflemire]

Lugol's % Iodine is what Dr. Clark recommended when I worked for her 8 years 
ago. She passed away, but they still sell her products.  I always have them in 
my store too.

http://www.quailwoodherbal.com Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: Shirley Reed 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 4:50:20 PM
Subject: CS>hypothyroid

  Hypothyroidism can be fairly quickly reversed simple by ingesting sufficient 
iodine.  The Yahoo Group named  iodine  can get you up to speed on iodine in 
very short order.   pj


  


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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[needling around]

Thanks.  I'll check it out.
PT

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From: "Annie B Smythe" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid



Yes PT here ya go:)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine


Annie

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needling around wrote:
Would you mind sharing the address of the iodine list.  I was taking 
selenium and I was under the care of 2 alternative doctors and I still 
ended up with a problem.  At this point I am taking time release T3 for 
Wilson's body temp syndrome and it is the first thing that has helped.  
They think the problem might be in the conversion from one form to the 
other.  All of the other things, I do.

Thanks.
PT



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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[needling around]

Thanks, Gina.
PT

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From: "Gina Moore" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: CS>hypothyroid



Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
hormone).  Iodine is the base of thyroid hormones, most of which made is 
T4.

So, if your body is making mostly T4 and you have some sort of conversion
problem, then Selenium will only make it worse.

That is my understanding anyway.  If I can find my source on that I will
post it!
Gina

-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:32 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid

Thanks.
PT
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From: "Annie B Smythe" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid



Yes PT here ya go:)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


needling around wrote:

Would you mind sharing the address of the iodine list.  I was taking
selenium and I was under the care of 2 alternative doctors and I still
ended up with a problem.  At this point I am taking time release T3 for
Wilson's body temp syndrome and it is the first thing that has helped.
They think the problem might be in the conversion from one form to the
other.  All of the other things, I do.
Thanks.
PT



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RE: CS>hypothyroid

[Gina Moore]

Selenium can inhibit the conversion of T4 (storage hormone) to T3 (active
hormone).  Iodine is the base of thyroid hormones, most of which made is T4.
So, if your body is making mostly T4 and you have some sort of conversion
problem, then Selenium will only make it worse.

That is my understanding anyway.  If I can find my source on that I will
post it!
Gina

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From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:32 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid

Thanks.
PT
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From: "Annie B Smythe" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid


> Yes PT here ya go:)
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine
> 
> 
> Annie
> 
> Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh
> 
> 
> needling around wrote:
>> Would you mind sharing the address of the iodine list.  I was taking 
>> selenium and I was under the care of 2 alternative doctors and I still 
>> ended up with a problem.  At this point I am taking time release T3 for 
>> Wilson's body temp syndrome and it is the first thing that has helped.  
>> They think the problem might be in the conversion from one form to the 
>> other.  All of the other things, I do.
>> Thanks.
>> PT
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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[needling around]

Thanks.
PT
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From: "Annie B Smythe" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid



Yes PT here ya go:)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


needling around wrote:
Would you mind sharing the address of the iodine list.  I was taking 
selenium and I was under the care of 2 alternative doctors and I still 
ended up with a problem.  At this point I am taking time release T3 for 
Wilson's body temp syndrome and it is the first thing that has helped.  
They think the problem might be in the conversion from one form to the 
other.  All of the other things, I do.

Thanks.
PT



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RE: CS>Sodium Chlorite and Nail Fungus

[Ode Coyote]

  You can create very similar byproducts in the nail bed itself simply by 
hooking up the toes to a small battery.
One pole makes Sodium Hydroxide out of the salt in the blood, the other, 
Hypochlorous acid.

 When the two meet, salt again.

Two foot separate baths of salt water hooked up, same thing from the 
outside as well...but make em small as it will take a very long time to 
reach the higher concentrations if big without chemically roasting your 
toes with excessive current.


 Sit still for a whole HOUR?  Ain't gonna happen.
Little wet baggies I can walk around with, maybe.

Ode



At 02:25 PM 3/24/2010 -0500, you wrote:


Very interesting. Thanks.

 - Steve N

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From: poast [mailto:po...@prodigy.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:07 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Kid does an experiment with CS and wins sxience fair
award

Hello Ode,

You may find this interesting to read...

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2006088790&IA=US2006005024&DISPLA
Y=DESC


Using a 5% sodium chlorite solution and 6% HCl as the activator you can
mix
up this solution by placing 5 ml (1 teaspoon) of 5% sodium chlorite in a
glass and add 5 ml of the 6% HCl to activate it.  Activation time is
about
30 seconds.

Next you add enough water to make 1 liter of total solution and use this
for
the bath for the nails (finger or toes).

This solution is slightly stronger than the one listed in the patent,
but it
is still below any adverse effects for dermal exposure.  The solution I
have
used ends up with 150 PPM free chlorine dioxide.  As mentioned in the
patent, chlorine d ioxide is capable of penetrating the nail to destroy
the
fungus living in it.  It can also penetrate through the nail into the
nail
bed where it takes care of business there as well.

To be effective, you need to stick to the 1 hour soak time, and repeat
this
every day for a week.  The fungus is killed rather quickly, but the
search
and destroy mission takes a little longer.

Tom


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Re: CS>OT - CHEMTRAILS OVER LOS ANGELES

[Ode Coyote]

What you find on the ground has no meaning at all.  There's all sorts of 
crap on the ground and you just don't know where it came from.
  Unless you go up there and take a direct sample, chem trails remain a 
con perfectly explainable by relative humidity, the fact that air is not 
homogenous and the addition of water vapor from hydro-carbon combustion 
kicks high humidity zones into cloud formation.
Even the jet cannot possibly carry that much water [or spray] and most of 
it was already there.  "Hydro-carbon" Hydrogen plus Oxygen = water.  Add 
come carbon particles for that water to condense onto with an increased 
relative humidity = cloud that will not dissipate while the air at that 
altitude is that damp.
There are ways to calculate the volume and weight of water in a cloud and 
the numbers just don't add up to an airplane being ABLE to carry it all up 
there. "NOT POSSIBLE"

That trail is far heavier than the airplane.

You can find the exact same visual effect before there were ever jets, from 
prop planes and even ships at sea. [Google "ship trails" ]
Heck, I've even seen these people tell us that contrails can't form at 
ground level.. while them TALKING were forming them and they were trailing 
away from their mouths.
 I use the local Nuke Plant cooling tower as a relative humidity meter... 
the days that plume reaches the clouds, it's a damp air day...contrail at 
ground level BIG TIME.


Sheesh,  people will believe anything and never check it out *because* they 
believe it.


Ode


At 08:20 AM 3/24/2010 -0700, you wrote:
Just a heads up people.  For the past two weeks on an almost daily basis 
dozens of jets fly at high altitude laying chemtrails across the 
sky.  These are not ordinary contrails these jet trails last for hours 
and eventually expand into cloud like formations.  I don't pretend to know 
what they are doing up there or why they are spraying, but they are and 
research has shown these to be toxic.  Aluminum, barium, sulfer, strontium 
and even biological agents have been found in the residue that falls to 
the earth. For more info go to geoengineeringwatch.org or 
Californiaskywatch.com, or just Google chemtrails.  I think a daily dose 
of CS would come in handy in times like these.


Bob



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Re: CS>Kid does an experiment with CS and wins sxience fair award

[Ode Coyote]

  I don't think that's much of a problem for someone that will eat 
anything I can get my somewhat fast hands on.

..I draw the line at cock roaches and slugs though.

ode


At 09:33 AM 3/24/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Ode,
It has bee my experience that nails grow faster when the diet is protein 
rich (and well absorbed).  Perhaps during such a treatment for the nail 
fungus the protein could be increased?

PT

- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Kid does an experiment with CS and wins sxience fair award





  It's both.
The easy one to treat is the nail bed as it has a blood interface that 
can be "drugged"
But the fungus also makes literal tunnels in the nail itself..that's why 
they thicken and change color.
It's really hard to get anything "into" a nail though, apparently, enough 
silver can be deposited to slow down the fungus enough so the nail can 
out grow it. [ if your nails grow fast enough ]


At first I had huge success with it and got very close to where I could 
clip off the infection, but looks like I selected out a strain that has 
some resistance and/or grows faster, or my toe nails slowed down.

It's not nearly as bad as it was, but it's still there.


Ode


At 05:53 AM 3/23/2010 -0700, you wrote:
Ode -- I thought nail fungus was an infection beneath the nail, in the 
nail bed -- not in the nail itself.  ???

MA


From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net

Like with nail fungus [in the nail], silver deposited in the nail can't
move around, but may force the fungus to grow around the deposits slowing
down that growth enough for the nail to out grow the fungus.

Ode




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Re: CS>Fungus Toenails

[Ode Coyote]

  CS has seen to it that I have no nail bed problems and the nail itself 
is not conductive nor very permeable to let anything in OR out, no matter 
how it's delivered.
 I do have a laser devise designed for hair removal that will heat up 
something dark below the surface.
 Come summer when it's warm enough to sit around bare foot, I'll give that 
a try.


 Dissolving the nail with Sodium Hydroxide might work, [one of the by 
products made with those electrical devises along with Hypochlorous 
acid...which BTW  I can make out of a CS generator I already have many of 
]  but even when weather is warm, I have a hard time sitting still for any 
length of time that outweighs the minor bother of mere funky nails.


Ode



At 05:56 PM 3/24/2010 +0200, you wrote:

Hi Ode,

Have you tried the twin tank electro foot treament as per Dr Richard
Loyd.

[PDF]
MOLD AND LYME TOXINS Richard Loyd, Ph.D. Mold toxins are found in ...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
These mold and Lyme toxins attach to fat cells and cause the fat cells to
continually ... Mold and Lyme toxin patients may make antibodies to
myelin with ...
http://www.royalrife.com/mold_toxins.pdf

The design is right at the back of the document.

I have done it a few times, its easy to assemble and easy to do , and it
seems to work very well. I haven't done it consistently yet. I will when
I get round to making stainless steel contacts in the water. Have just
used bare copper wire.

I have both big toenails slightly thickened. They are not getting worse
and the crustyness seems to have gone crumbly after three sessions a few
weeks ago. Interesting.

OK,
Tony

On 24 Mar 2010 at 6:59, Ode Coyote wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>Kid does an experiment with

>
>
>It's both.
> The easy one to treat is the nail bed as it has a blood interface that can
> be "drugged" But the fungus also makes literal tunnels in the nail
> itself..that's why they thicken and change color. It's really hard to get
> anything "into" a nail though, apparently, enough silver can be deposited
> to slow down the fungus enough so the nail can out grow it. [ if your
> nails grow fast enough ]
>
> At first I had huge success with it and got very close to where I could
> clip off the infection, but looks like I selected out a strain that has
> some resistance and/or grows faster, or my toe nails slowed down. It's not
> nearly as bad as it was, but it's still there.
>
>
> Ode
>
>
> At 05:53 AM 3/23/2010 -0700, you wrote:
> >Ode -- I thought nail fungus was an infection beneath the nail, in the
> >nail bed -- not in the nail itself.  ??? MA
> >
> >
> >From: Ode Coyote
> >odecoy...@windstream.net
> >
> >Like with nail fungus [in the nail], silver deposited in the nail can't
> >move around, but may force the fungus to grow around the deposits slowing
> >down that growth enough for the nail to out grow the fungus.
> >
> >Ode
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Re: CS>Sodium Chlorite Source

[Norton, Steve]

Thanks Marshall. I will check it out. 
 - Steve N

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From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wed Mar 24 23:02:07 2010
Subject: Re: CS>Sodium Chlorite Source

They are 2 or 3 times as hight as what I paid for mine from Fischer 
Scientific.

Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:
> I just came across a relatively inexpensive source for Sodium Chlorite
> or MMS if you are looking for larger quantities. They are located in
> Florida. The minimum shipping cost to CA is $14 but the cost doesn't go
> up too quickly when you add more items. My last purchase of powdered
> Sodium Chlorite was from a producer in Canada and the cost was
> significantly higher. Does anyone know of a lower cost source? I need to
> get some more. BTW, their bentonite clay is inexpensive too but I don't
> know what the quality is like.
>
> http://sodium-chlorite-supplier.com/order.html?gclid=CLjju42i0qACFQhYbQo
> dXBIu0Q
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>
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Re: CS>hypothyroid

[Peter Converse]

Hi Annie,

Great post!

BTW, what water filter pitcher are you using that removes 80 to 90 % of 
flouride?


thanks,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: "Annie B Smythe" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: CS>hypothyroid


If you don't take enough selenium with the Iodine it WILL cause you grief 
and CAN damage the thyroid. I've upped my dose to 50 mg per day of 2% 
Lugol's, I started with 5 mg and worked my way up slowly, and I take 400 - 
600 mg of the selenomethionine form of Selenium daily. When I don't take 
the Iodine I feel like crap. My thyroid felt swollen on one side and I had 
a small nodule on my thyroid which is slowly shrinking. The doc did not do 
a thyroid antibody test but he did say I had elevated antibodies according 
to my lab results. When I first started taking the Iodine my thyroid 
swelled some, but it is now a normal size. I feel physically much better. 
Detox/herx symptoms can be a bear but if you take extra magnesium, vit C, 
selenium, zinc and copper, and manganese, and use sea salt and plenty of 
water this can be reduced greatly. That and backing off on the dose until 
you feel a bit better. If you have a lot of toxins to detox the detox 
pathways can be overcome and this causes the detox/herx symptoms, or a 
viral load die off, or candida/fungus die off. The minerals the shepherd 
the halides, mercury and other stuff out are the ones I've listed above. 
You don't have a chance to get too much of them because the get used up 
binding to toxins and carrying them out, usually through the urine. And 
the body needs some of them for regular maintenance and enzyme production. 
I also added milk thistle, and dandelion to my regime to support the 
liver, and R ALA to boost glutathione. It also helped that I found a 
pitcher that filters everything including 80 - 90 % of fluoride from my 
tap water. And cutting out MSG, aspartame, and breads made from brominated 
flours, as well as all soft drinks, and upping my pure water intake to 
nearly 90 0z per day. I also added vit D3, and sea salt to my regime quite 
a while back and cut out almost all the processed salt.


Those with autoimmune hypothyroid issues MUST take the selenium, it's NOT 
an option, or it WILL cause problems, especially with antibodies. I get so 
tired of people not doing it the recommended way and then saying it's 
harmful. Or expecting it to work over night. Stephanie's(The Iodine list 
Mom) husband took at least a year to bring his Hashi's antibodies down to 
nothing. So it's a long term thing, and sometimes in the interim the 
thyroid usually WILL swell to grab more Iodine, when it has enough it will 
start to reduce in size. My thyroid kind of went up and down in size for 
two months or so before it settled down. But man oh man the detoxing I was 
doing during that time.


I won't say that my thyroid swelling up even more, like that didn't scare 
me to death, it did, but I was also told that it would go back down again, 
and it did.


But I guess everyone gets to health in their own way, there are many 
choices out there and a lot of research. I researched Iodine, the 
recommendations of nutrients to take with it and why, and the even the 
reports against it, thoroughly for several months before I made the 
decision to buy the Iodine and give it go. I haven't been sorry yet. Well 
except for an initial bad detox/herx reaction, LOL. I haven't lowered my 
thyroid med dose yet, I still have to get blood work done to see what my 
TSH, T4, T3 levels are doing.



Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Alan Jones wrote:

How high was your dosage, and for how long did you take it?

Alan

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Craig Chamberlin 
mailto:craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com>> 
wrote:


Having been hypothryoid and having done this, I would *highly* that
folks with that condition look into the high iodine dosing.  I am no
longer hypothyroid and it cleared up a lot of other issues for me.

Another case of varying mileage.

Craig


needling around wrote:

Being hypothyroid and having done this, I would not recommend it
to anyone. It can also lead to thyroid nodules and autoimmune
thyroid issues.
PT
- Original Message - From: "Shirley Reed"
mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com>>
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:50 PM
Subject: CS>hypothyroid


 Hypothyroidism can be fairly quickly reversed simple by
ingesting sufficient iodine.  The Yahoo Group named  iodine
 can get you up to speed on iodine in very short order.   pj


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CS>Toenail fungus and Godzilla

[MaryAnn Helland]

No kidding.  Hmmm -- Bob Banever is also on this list -- Bob, have you ever 
heard of anyone treating nail fungus successfully with a Godzilla?
Thanks for the info, Tony.
MA





From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za

Yes Ma,

Richard Loyds electric footbaths is basically a gzilla with water
containers as the electodes to connect to your feet.


On 24 Mar 2010 at 12:20, MaryAnn Helland wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>Fungus Toenails

> Um -- are we talking about treating the fungal infection with
> electricity?  I have a Godzilla -- wonder if that would do the trick?
> MA
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: needling around 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:05:25 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Fungus Toenails
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> I just wanted to share that for those without a zapper they could look
> into FreX.  I haven't actually used this protocol so I would not presume
> to tell someone how to proceed. PT - Original Message - From: "Dan
> Nave"  To:  Sent:
> Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fungus Toenails
>
>
> How is this applied?  In what manner is it used?
>
> Corrected url is:  www.heal-me.com.au
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:15 AM, needling around 
> wrote: > Thank you for this, Tony. It was a great article that answered
> some > questions I have. > > For those that don't know about FreX. It is a
> free frequency program > available at www.heal-me.au. Under 'Z' is a Hulda
> Clark Zapper program that > contains all the zapper frequencies. > PT >
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Re: CS>Fungal Toenails

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hi Paul.  Acetone is drying to nails.  However, these days, most polish 
removers have added ingredients to overcome that.  Just checked my current 
bottle and it has gelatin added "for strength and resiliency".  
MA





From: Paul Bond pmb...@gmail.com


As I read that I thought about the acetone used as nail polish remover.  That 
must be drying to the nail and may present an opportunity for infection.  Can’t 
be the whole story as men get it too (unless I’m more naive than I’d bargained 
for :o)

CS>Dietary Supplements to Support & Promote Detoxification

[Annie B Smythe]

Dietary Supplements to Support & Promote 
Detoxification


http://www.naturalproductsmarketplace.com/articles/2006/04/dietary-supplements-to-support-promote-detoxific.aspx

Annie
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Re: CS>Fungus Toenails

[Tony Moody]

Yes Ma,

Richard Loyds electric footbaths is basically a gzilla with water
containers as the electodes to connect to your feet.

OK,
Tony

On 24 Mar 2010 at 12:20, MaryAnn Helland wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>Fungus Toenails

> Um -- are we talking about treating the fungal infection with
> electricity?  I have a Godzilla -- wonder if that would do the trick?
> MA
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> From: needling around 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:05:25 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Fungus Toenails
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> Sorry about that.
>
> I just wanted to share that for those without a zapper they could look
> into FreX.  I haven't actually used this protocol so I would not presume
> to tell someone how to proceed. PT - Original Message - From: "Dan
> Nave"  To:  Sent:
> Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fungus Toenails
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> How is this applied?  In what manner is it used?
>
> Corrected url is:  www.heal-me.com.au
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> Dan
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> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:15 AM, needling around 
> wrote: > Thank you for this, Tony. It was a great article that answered
> some > questions I have. > > For those that don't know about FreX. It is a
> free frequency program > available at www.heal-me.au. Under 'Z' is a Hulda
> Clark Zapper program that > contains all the zapper frequencies. > PT >
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