RE: CS>where is everyone? now - serious CS questions

[Neville Munn]

OK, now I'm beginning to understand.  I've never actually worried about a few 
sparklies, in the scheme of things I don't consider them to be of any great 
concern, to others they are maybe, besides, some could be fluff which is in the 
water with some silver sticking to it could it not, among many others reasons 
which may not necessarily be huge particles.

 

I thought most talk was about 'stuff' floating around, or gravel laying in the 
bottom of containers etc, hence the "need?" for decanting or whatever.

 

Your bit:

[...nor have I been able to discover what the max size of a silver particle is 
that will stay suspended 
> forever in water.]

-Whenever I mention that 'largest' size thing, it's mainly suggesting that I 
seriously doubt anyone who knows how to make this stuff will ever have 
particles large enough to NOT be bioavailable.  I know there's a lot of talk 
about particle surface area coverage, and rightly so I spose for those who are 
concerned, but realistically, when we're talking about squidillions or whatever 
of silver ions and particles in any given solution, there's going to be an 
*abundance* of small particles which will suffice for surface area coverage 
anyway.  Calculations can determine the maximum coverage given a particular 
particle size, that's just calculations.  I'm thinking *in the mix*, it's not 
that big a deal and get the feeling some get hung up on the area coverage thing.

 

In fact, is it not possible for those clusters or crystals to break up again 
when inside the body, reducing them back down to small particles?  Research is 
lacking I spose, but I seem to remember reading something along those lines a 
while ago.  And what about the HP which is present in our bodies, I suggest 
that could possibly break those clusters back down to small particles again.

 

OK, I'll stop now, just thinking aloud that's all, like Dok said, one needs an 
understanding of Physics and Chemistry I guess.  Can't discuss much when one 
hasn't the credentials in support.

 

N.
 
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:08:16 -0400
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> From: odecoy...@windstream.net
> Subject: RE: CS>where is everyone? now - serious CS questions
> 
> 
> 
> Key word...need.
> You don't need to filter or decant unless you feel or see the need and a 
> laser will show it to you in detail, but need is still an opinion.
> Far as I can tell, none of that stuff is "harmful" in any way, at worst, 
> useless.
> 
> When the laser shows a TE that looks like velvet with no sparklies or 
> grainy hard edged appearance, you know that all the particles are below the 
> size that would reflect a photon stream large enough for the eye to be able 
> to discriminate between them due to the resolution limits of eyeballs.
> 
> What the resolution of eyeballs is, is all wrapped up in distance and 
> angular stuff that I've not been able to unravel to this specific close up 
> question amplified by bright linear light and the optics of a round water 
> filled container aka *microscope* of sorts...nor have I been able to 
> discover what the max size of a silver particle is that will stay suspended 
> forever in water. [Rumor has it at around 1 micron ?? ]
> 
> Ode
  
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RE: CS>Serious EIS Colour Questions.

[Neville Munn]

 

[Was not 'ignoring' you...]

-No worries at all Dok.
 
Your quote: 
[Valuing OUR own-resources...like Marshall, Ode...]
 
and this...
[Marshall's replys are PRICELESS wealth...Pragmatic/(hands-on) Physics~ 
but are most-likely understood (in detail) by only a very few members here? 
My point-being, HOW Fortunate to-be-members in, Mike Devors CS-LIST..!]

 
and this...
[...lacking scientific-basics/(Physics & Chemistry) to understand...replys?]
 
are absolutely correct, the latter one more so for me personally.
 
N.

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:26:12 -0700
From: dokdal...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Serious EIS Colour Questions.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com






Hi Neville,
 
Was not 'ignoring' you...
 
Valuing OUR own-resources...like Marshall, Ode...found SILVER-LIST only
...offered members sending  email, to get LINK lere...NO replys...
Y-GrOpE has over 2000 members (some already) here...enjoying best IES.   
 
Marshall's replys are PRICELESS wealth...Pragmatic/(hands-on) Physics~ 
but are most-likely understood (in detail) by only a very few members here? 
My point-being, HOW Fortunate to-be-members in, Mike Devors CS-LIST..!
 
LURKING~
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RE: CS>Cayenne And Migraines?

[Neville Munn]

Try 'quikeze' or 'rennies' {indigestion tablets} they supposed to work for 
migraine.  I'm trying to get one of my daughters to give them a go, but she 
keeps forgetting to buy some.

 

N.

 
> From: mdev...@eskimo.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 22:52:07 -0500
> Subject: CS>Cayenne And Migraines?
> 
> Del writes:
> > I would just like to mention that I also get the occasional migraine,
> > but that I have discovered taking twenty drops of Herb Farm Cayenne
> > Tincture drives it off within minutes. I am now taking it daily to see
> > if it will stop them from forming in the first place.
> 
> Del,
> 
> By "taking twenty drops" what do you mean? How is it administered, in a 
> glass of water? 
> 
> > My wife gets occasional ordinary headaches, and reports that the
> > tincture did the same thing for her - headache went away very quickly.
> 
> If we could find a reliable way to break the back of a migraine, my 
> wife would be happy also.
> 
> Be well,
> 
> Mike D.
> 
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CS>Hydrogen Peroxide Dilution Chart

[Sandy]

This has helped me quite a bit with diluting my 35% H2O2 to 3%.

http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-dilution-chart.html

Best regards,
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CS>Cayenne And Migraines?

[M. G. Devour]

Del writes:
> I would just like to mention that I also get the occasional migraine,
> but that I have discovered taking twenty drops of Herb Farm Cayenne
> Tincture drives it off within minutes.  I am now taking it daily to see
> if it will stop them from forming in the first place.

Del,

By "taking twenty drops" what do you mean? How is it administered, in a 
glass of water? 

> My wife gets occasional ordinary headaches, and reports that the
> tincture did the same thing for her - headache went away very quickly.

If we could find a reliable way to break the back of a migraine, my 
wife would be happy also.

Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: CS>RE: H2O2

[M. G. Devour]

Hi Dee,

Several others have done the same, but since I wrote it up anyway, 
here's my explanation...

If you take 10 parts distilled water to 1 part of your 35% H2O2 you'll 
get .35 parts of (pure) H2O2 in 11 parts of liquid or .35/11=.031 or 
3.1%, which is certainly close enough!

The "parts" can be any unit you want that will yield a useful amount.

Examples: 

1 drop to 10 drops, you'll end up with 11 drops of 3% H2O2
1 spoonful to 10 spoonfuls, you'll end up with 11 spoonfuls (any size 
spoonful you want!)
1 liter to 10 liters, you'll have 11 liters of 3% when you're done...

So, how big of a bottle do you want to store your 3% in? If you make a 
bit less, no problem; a bit more, just toss the leftovers.

Does that simplify the issue a little bit?

Mike D.

> Yes I think I have realised this now Tel, but it is dealing with the one
> I have which is the problem.  I am trying to ascertain how to dilute it
> into the 3% sort and gradually get rid of it.  dee
> 
> On 14 Apr 2010, at 14:07, Tel Tofflemire wrote:
> 
> > 36% H2o2 is too strong for most people to deal with. Even the fumes
> > can harm you. You should stick with 3% it is much safer to use. Plus a
> > lot cheaper.
> >  
> > Tel Tofflemire
> > Dewey, AZ.
> > 
> > 
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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[sol]

Del wrote:
Sol, you are correct.  35% H2O2 is dangerous.  I usually handle it 
only with rubber (dishwashing) gloves on.
However, I once got some on my fingers, which turned white, but I 
quickly rinsed them with water and they were soon perfectly ok again.  
Grocery store 3% does that to my fingers, and rinsing quickly doesn't 
seem to help that much, while the finger skin is white, it is not 
exactly painful but is tender.
Funny, because I can use 3% straight in my ears, and that doesn't bother 
me at all, but then I usually only do once. Perhaps if I used it in ears 
often it would burn that skin too.

sol


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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Del]

Sol, you are correct.  35% H2O2 is dangerous.  I usually handle it only with 
rubber (dishwashing) gloves on.
However, I once got some on my fingers, which turned white, but I quickly 
rinsed them with water and they were soon perfectly ok again.  Above all, 
never get it in your eyes, and keep it out of the reach of children.


Why do I have it?  Because I have found that adding about a cup or cup and a 
half to my bath for a long soak has noticeable benefits, especially if I 
feel a cold or flu coming on (again, don't get the bath water in the eyes). 
I do that in addition to drinking extra CS.  I also put Epsom salts in the 
bath with the h2o2.


Dee, 11 to 1 is the correct ratio for turning 35% to 3%.
Take a 1/4 cup measurer (that should be 2 oz), fill it with 35% h2o2, put it 
in a 24 oz bottle (mason jar?), then fill the jar the rest of the way with 
distilled water.  That should be a 3% solution. But watch out, because three 
percent of real h2o2 is much livelier (read more active) than 3% from the 
drug store based on my experience.  It will turn your skin white if given a 
chance, but that is not damaging, just rinse it off and it will soon return 
to normal.  Drug store h2o2 will do that too, just not as readily.  By the 
way, 35% should be refrigerated to maintain potency, but I have kept it in 
my basement during the summer and it did not weaken noticeably - however, 
you need to leave the top loose so that it can outgas, otherwise you might 
have an exploding bottle.


Del
- Original Message - 
From: "sol" 

Plus my opinion is also
influenced by the fact that even 3% peroxide on my skin straight burns me, 
and I am scared of the 35%. Third influence is that my husband won't have 
the 35% in the house.I am terminally clumsy, and have tendon 
and joint problems in my  hands to boot, so any substance of such 
potential for damage is an accident waiting to happen with me handling it.

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Re: CS>RE: H2O2

[cking001]

On the other hand,
I've brushed my teeth with 12% from the health food store, undiluted.
It only felt a little warm, no burn, no discomfort.

I use drugstore 3% in my ears whenever necessary, no problems...

Chuck
I'm writing a book. 
I've got the page numbers done.

On 4/14/2010 12:35:19 PM, sol (sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com) wrote:
> Tel Tofflemire wrote:
> > 36% H2o2 is too strong for most people to deal with. Even the fumes
> > can harm you.
> > You should stick with 3% it is much safer to use. Plus a lot cheaper.
> >
> Tel,
> I believe you are one the rare few who think that!
> I agree completely.
> sol
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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[cking001]

Take a shot glass.
Fill once with your 35% peroxide.
Pour it into your storage jar.

Now pour 11 shot glassfuls of distilled water in the same container.

Viola, walla??? Wallmart???

Chuck
I'm sure it's clearly explained in the Zmodem DOC's



On 4/14/2010 10:29:14 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
> Sorry, it may be clear to you, but not to me.  What sort of container are
> you going to put this in?  I just want to be able to dilute it as I need
> it and keep the remainder in the freezer.  Surely, unless you use loads of
> H202 it would decompose fairly rapidly if diluted into this amount,
> because home-made would not have the stabilisers the shop bought kind has...
> I would have thought.  dee
> 
> On 14 Apr 2010, at 14:59, Ruth Bertella wrote:
> 
> > How much easier can it be explained?   You dilute the 35% in half to get
> it down to the 17.5%.   You then dilute that in half to get it down to the
> 8.75%.  Then dilute in half yet again to get to the 4.375%.  When I say
> dilute it in half, you add the same amount of distilled water to whatever
> your peroxide mix measure is (i.e., one cup DW plus one cup of whatever %
> peroxide mix you have = a half diluted mix from what you started with).
> >
> > You may not have the convenience of using the 16 oz bottle for mixing
> the whole thing up, but you can use it to store some of the diluted mixture.
> 
> >
> > Ruth
> >
> 
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Re: CS>where is everyone? now - serious CS questions

[cking001]

Well, that gets it out of the way for THIS year...

Chuck
I'm spending the rest of the  year dead for tax purposes.


On 4/14/2010 8:52:04 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
> You're so sweet - you said something nice Chuck!  
> 
> 
> On 13 Apr 2010, at 21:10, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
> 
> > We love you as you are Dee...
> >
> > What about Neville, who "can't
> decant???
> >
> > Chuck
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Re: Ode, pls read and comment, was Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[sol]

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I'll probably end up getting one of those one day, just to see what it really 
is, but as long as my CS goes back to the way it was before the rods 'incident' 
I wont bother for a while.  dee

  
Since you almost certainly just had a one time contamination problem, 
you can go back to not needing one!

sol


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Re: CS>Adding hydrogen peroxide to CS makes cars happen

[aKa Jhon]

oops,,read the reply message,


- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Adding hydrogen peroxide to CS makes cars happen





  I have a slightly deer damaged but well maintained 96 Saturn Coupe
sitting around.
2 liter 5 speed manual trans...lotsa miles on it.
 New tires, runs great, doesn't burn but 1 quart in 3,000 miles [like it
did when new ]
43 MPG Highway.
 AC probably works, haven't tried it.
I already have too many cars and have no use for this one.
 I've had it for about 2 weeks and personally know every owner since it
left the Georgia ? factory.

I was hoping to get $700 for it and a steal at that, but..I'll break even
at $200 [Chain of gratitude and coincidence at work] and I don't "need" a
profit.
 But I DO want to break even. [And people don't appreciate "free" ..it
doesn't actually help them in the long run, anyhow. ]

It's about a 6 hour drive from Atlanta. Sanford NC   Cash down, Tag it and 
go.


And mebbe we'll head for Talledega one day and have a use for a yard to
park the minivan in over night to catch a nap.

Ode  [Ken  919-776-6396 ]

At 10:21 AM 4/13/2010 -0700, you wrote:



Wow. For CS and MMS is ALL we have. We are almost broke, lost our car in a
terrible accident, which my husband survived [car pulled right in front of
him with no signal in busy Atlanta 6-lane traffic and we hate going to
Atlanta and live miles out in the countryside]... and no insurance to
replace, the perpetrator drove off and no numbers.. but lots of witnesses!
And no money to buy a new one.  So we thought, someone may gift us an old
car they have hanging around...

Yesterday someone answered a facebook plea and lives locally and drove
round to our place and took us back and loaned us her newish Isuzu
Trooper, until April 22 when her husband returns and needs it for
work.  She even offered to swap with her two day old fancy new car if she
needeed it to haul something over the weekend.

We live in the hold of some 'angelic' grace.. and it falls when times get
hard and we pray or just ask for answers from somewhere... surrender..

thank you and apologies for my profusion.. this is one of those days..

sunny x




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Re: CS>Adding hydrogen peroxide to CS makes cars happen

[aKa Jhon]

sold for cash if still available(,ie $200 i suppose), I live in N ga...


- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Adding hydrogen peroxide to CS makes cars happen





  I have a slightly deer damaged but well maintained 96 Saturn Coupe
sitting around.
2 liter 5 speed manual trans...lotsa miles on it.
 New tires, runs great, doesn't burn but 1 quart in 3,000 miles [like it
did when new ]
43 MPG Highway.
 AC probably works, haven't tried it.
I already have too many cars and have no use for this one.
 I've had it for about 2 weeks and personally know every owner since it
left the Georgia ? factory.

I was hoping to get $700 for it and a steal at that, but..I'll break even
at $200 [Chain of gratitude and coincidence at work] and I don't "need" a
profit.
 But I DO want to break even. [And people don't appreciate "free" ..it
doesn't actually help them in the long run, anyhow. ]

It's about a 6 hour drive from Atlanta. Sanford NC   Cash down, Tag it and 
go.


And mebbe we'll head for Talledega one day and have a use for a yard to
park the minivan in over night to catch a nap.

Ode  [Ken  919-776-6396 ]

At 10:21 AM 4/13/2010 -0700, you wrote:



Wow. For CS and MMS is ALL we have. We are almost broke, lost our car in a
terrible accident, which my husband survived [car pulled right in front of
him with no signal in busy Atlanta 6-lane traffic and we hate going to
Atlanta and live miles out in the countryside]... and no insurance to
replace, the perpetrator drove off and no numbers.. but lots of witnesses!
And no money to buy a new one.  So we thought, someone may gift us an old
car they have hanging around...

Yesterday someone answered a facebook plea and lives locally and drove
round to our place and took us back and loaned us her newish Isuzu
Trooper, until April 22 when her husband returns and needs it for
work.  She even offered to swap with her two day old fancy new car if she
needeed it to haul something over the weekend.

We live in the hold of some 'angelic' grace.. and it falls when times get
hard and we pray or just ask for answers from somewhere... surrender..

thank you and apologies for my profusion.. this is one of those days..

sunny x




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Re: CS>CS in home cleaning agents

[Tony Moody]

On 14 Apr 2010 at 12:12, needling around wrote about :
Subject : CS>CS in home cleaning agents

> Does anyone know of home cleaning agents that utilize CS in their
> formulation?
> 
> Thanks.
> PT

Hi PT,

There may be a distributor near you.

http://www.sanosil.com/-cleanser-disinfectants.htm

OK,
Tony


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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Ooh don't, sol!  This is what bothers me I have to say--I don't really like 
handling things like this, and I hate a load of messing about with things.  I'd 
much rather just pour it out and get on with it, with no worries.  Its bad 
enough with all the fiddling about with the liposomal Vit C!  My hubby thinks 
he's living with either a witch or an alchemist!  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 17:18, sol wrote:

> Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> So you think it would be ok to use the 3% sol - just put more in?   I must 
>> say I would prefer to do this because handling the 35% makes me rather 
>> nervousI still have to use up nearly a whole bottle of the 35% one 
>> though, which is going to take some time I fear!  dee
>>  
> *I* think it is ok to use 3%. But keep in mind I'm in a minority on that 
> opinion. My opinion is influenced by the analysis of one brand of 35% that I 
> read online a few years ago (no additives in that brand so all contaminants 
> were "native" to the product). Plus my opinion is also influenced by the fact 
> that even 3% peroxide on my skin straight burns me, and I am scared of the 
> 35%. Third influence is that my husband won't have the 35% in the 
> house.I am terminally clumsy, and have tendon and joint problems 
> in my  hands to boot, so any substance of such potential for damage is an 
> accident waiting to happen with me handling it.
> sol
> 
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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Richard Goodwin]

Hahaha -- ah yes, the old conversion problem.  I can't remember half of them 
myself.  So you can also use ANY volume measure or weight measure in this case. 
 

How about bushels?  Or cubic cubits if you have a dumptruck handy?

Had a physics class once where people got in a kerfuffle about whether to use 
miles per hour or kilometers per hour, so finally the prof said he didn't care 
what units we put our answers in as long as the number was correct for the 
units.  So some of us got together and worked out how to convert speeds to 
furlongs per fortnight...

Dick





- Original Message 
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 2:03:18 PM
Subject: Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

Ah, now *this* I can understand!  You see, we don't measure in 'cups' here in 
the UK (although you could use a teacup I suppose) its all ounces, or mls and 
litres.  thanks Dick.  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 15:46, Richard Goodwin wrote:

> Another way of looking at it:
> 
> Get a 12 oz container.  Put into it:
> 
> 11 oz of water
> 1 oz of 35% h2o2
> 
> The result should be real close to 3% h2o2, assuming my arithmetic isn't bogus
> 
> Dick
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Re: Ode, pls read and comment, was Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I'll probably end up getting one of those one day, just to see what it really 
is, but as long as my CS goes back to the way it was before the rods 'incident' 
I wont bother for a while.  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 17:32, sol wrote:

> Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
> A PWT meter reads in tenths of a microsiemen so it can read down to .1 
> microsiemen (uS). I was just lucky that I chose the more expensive PWT over a 
> TDS (from reading about both on this list) because for conditions here, I had 
> to have distilled water of .2 to .3 uS in order to make clear CS (again I 
> could go to .4 if the water had been distilled twice). A reading of "000" on 
> a TDS, if it happened to actually be 2.0 uS would have made very dark yellow 
> CS for me.
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Re: CS>h2o2 dilution

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

This is even better and easy even for me!  Thanks Tony...dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 17:06, Tony Moody wrote:

> Subject changed.
> 
> Hi Dee,
> 
> Use 1.5 oz of the 35% into the 16 oz bottle and use distilled water to 
> fill up to the top of  shoulder of the bottle just as it becomes a neck.
> 
> The arithmetic for above 1.5 oz (one and a half ounces)  made up to 16 oz 
> with distilled water  is : 
> 
> 1.5/16  * 35 = 3.28%
>which is just under 3.5%
> More exact would be to use 1.6 oz made up to 16oz . 
> 
> That would be 1.6/16  * 35 = 3.5 % 
> 
> OK,
> Tony
> 
> 


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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Ah, now *this* I can understand!  You see, we don't measure in 'cups' here in 
the UK (although you could use a teacup I suppose) its all ounces, or mls and 
litres.  thanks Dick.  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 15:46, Richard Goodwin wrote:

> Another way of looking at it:
> 
> Get a 12 oz container.  Put into it:
> 
> 11 oz of water
> 1 oz of 35% h2o2
> 
> The result should be real close to 3% h2o2, assuming my arithmetic isn't bogus
> 
> Dick
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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Well done Ruth--I think I've got it!  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 15:40, Ruth Bertella wrote:

> Dee   get a 2 or 4 cup measuring cup.
>  
> Add 1/4 cup 35% H202 and 1/4 cup DW to the measuring cup  You now have 
> 1/2 cup liquid that would be 17.5% H202 now.
>  
> Now add another 1/2 cup DW to the mix in the same measuring cup...   you now 
> have 1 cup of 8.75% H202.
>  
> Now add 1 cup of DW to the mix in the measuring cup...   you now have 2 cups 
> of 4.375%.
>  
> This should fit into your 16 oz. H202 bottle
>  
> Ruth
>  


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Re: CS>where is everyone? now - serious CS questions

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

(Catching breath)  Right: the EIS was two days old, but it did go white murky 
after adding the single drop of 35% HP.  Then it went clear after adding 
another drop of 35% HP.  The 'ppm' was then 10 when before it was eight.  I 
don't mind as long as I still have some silver left!  Thanks for the reply.  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 14:37, Ode Coyote wrote:

> 
> 
>  TE has nothing to do with ions..it means that are fewer or smaller 
> particles, too small for the pure red light wavelengths of a laser to "find".
> The rise in conductivity indicates than some of the particles turned into 
> ions as only ions contribute to a meter registering anything at all.
> BUT, there are TWO sorts of ions in there  Ag [+] and OH [-] the anion.
> 
> If the yellow was due to oxidized ions and the H2O2 scavenged the Oxy off 
> that molecule, the result *should be* an O2 gas emulsion [murky for a while 
> till the gas bubbles are  dissolved into the water] and a newly made silver 
> ion adding to conductivity.
> 
> If a particle [crystal ] was nucleated by a silver oxide molecule and the 
> H2O2 broke up that nucleus into gas emulsion and an ion, the particle would 
> fragment into smaller pieces.
> Crystals prefer to form around a nucleus.
> 
> In a case where it's mostly just unprotected ions and the Hydroxl anions such 
> as with very fresh EIS, the addition of  "some" H2O2 might scavenge the Oxy 
> off the Anion and make a Hydrogen AND Oxygen gas emulsion [white murky] where 
> "more" H2O2 might also oxidize silver ions along with the emulsion previously 
> made [brown murky]
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Re: CS>Serious EIS Colour Questions.

[Dok Dallas]

Hi Neville,
 
Was not 'ignoring' you...simply am not on-line reading through tons-of-email
and when/IF I (finally) do get to them...many require (extra) time-to-respond.
When/If possible (personal/internet~time), will TRY-to-POST...my answers?
 
This one is fairly-easy...suspecting you have bought CHEAP Lasers! 
Laser #3 is obviously NOT~WORKING...if NOT the Battery...Throw-it-Away!
Use the RED-LASER giving BRIGHTEST Tyndall...other OK, for CAT~TOY?   
 
As for (home-EIS), Getting/Using 'BLUE-RAY' (405 nm) Laser...BAD IDEA..?
The one I described using for Tyndall & LIDAR experimenting (last year) was
purchased as a (component-only) since it's POWER Class was Illegal-to-sell
if delivered WORKING-CONDITION it Will BURN-HOLES & START-FIRES! 
Taking time-to-detail LD Experiments...in Retirement/Hobby is Out-of-Scope,
but I am always willing-to-help POINT other QUESTERS to KEY Information.
How much TIME & EFFORT others-expend in PERSUIT-of-KNOWLEDGE..?   
 
Many times...use lengthy (one-on-one) phone calls to discuss more details
when LIVE/(interactive) discussion's are the most TIME effective response?
Still Provided (E-Eng./science) mentoring to students on Science Projects,
but have never had student's as far-away as Australia  Down~Under..? 
  
Some of your 'questions' are very well-written and do-warrent a reply, But..?
Clearly, many members...posting VALID question(s) into Y-Groups & LIST,
are lacking scientific-basics/(Physics & Chemistry) to understand...replys?
Have personally spent many years before retiremant (in-middle) translating.
Strongly recommend using WIKIPEDIA.
 
 
 
As you are personally-aware, recent Discussions posted in Beck Y-GrOpE
proved-to-be TOTAL...Waste-of-TIME...SALESMAN claimed...95%+ IONIC!
Yet members (owning-product) claim going YELLOW...2~3 hour-into Brew.
After questioning source of (90~95%) Claims...more BS & How-DARE-you!
Had NO-SCIENTIFIC TEST/DATA, only BS%~Estimating...from Professor?
(Operates Web-Site providing NO-REAL specifications, only a Sales Pitch)
 
Valuing OUR own-resources...like Marshall, Ode...found SILVER-LIST only
...offered members sending  email, to get LINK lere...NO replys...
Y-GrOpE has over 2000 members (some already) here...enjoying best IES.   
 
Marshall's replys are PRICELESS wealth...Pragmatic/(hands-on) Physics~ 
but are most-likely understood (in detail) by only a very few members here? 
My point-being, HOW Fortunate to-be-members in, Mike Devors CS-LIST..!
 
LURKING~
Dok Dallas
   

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, Neville Munn  wrote:


From: Neville Munn 
Subject: CS>Serious EIS Colour Questions.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:10 AM




Marshall, would it be possible for you to give me an explanation of why number 
(3) showed *no* beam thru the solution at all?
And for that matter, why there is a difference in strength of beam in the other 
two?
All lasers were used on the same solution.
 
Three different red lasers, 
> (1) 650nm+/-10 maximum output 1mW...{strong beam passing thru liquid}
> (2) 650nm+/-10 maximum output 5mW...{fainter beam}
> (3) 630-650nm  maximum output 1mW...{no beam at all}
 
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Re: CS>Serious EIS Colour Questions.

[Marshall Dudley]

Neville Munn wrote:
Marshall, would it be possible for you to give me an explanation 
of why number (3) showed *no* beam thru the solution at all?
And for that matter, why there is a difference in strength of beam in 
the other two?

All lasers were used on the same solution.
 
Three different red lasers,
> (1) 650nm+/-10 maximum output 1mW...{strong beam passing thru 
liquid}

> (2) 650nm+/-10 maximum output 5mW...{fainter beam}
> (3) 630-650nm  maximum output 1mW...{no beam at all}
 
N.



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I have no idea.  IT is working, right?  Do they all look to be the same 
color red? Maybe you have the wavelength wrong on the 3rd one.


Marshall


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Re: CS>CS in home cleaning agents

[Marshall Dudley]

needling around wrote:
Does anyone know of home cleaning agents that utilize CS in their 
formulation?
 
Thanks.

PT

No, but there are industrial disinfectants that utilize silver citrate.

Marshall


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Re: CS>RE: H2O2

[sol]

Tel Tofflemire wrote:
36% H2o2 is too strong for most people to deal with. Even the fumes 
can harm you.

You should stick with 3% it is much safer to use. Plus a lot cheaper.
 

Tel,
 I believe you are one the rare few who think that!
I agree completely.
sol


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[sol]

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

No I didn't sol - big mistake I think!  dee
  

LOL, I'd say so!
sol


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Ode, pls read and comment, was Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[sol]

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I know we've done this before but I can't get my head round it at all I'm afraid.  My TDS meter reads 000 on my distilled water, which to me means that there is 0 dissolved substances in it. 
Ode can correct me if I am wrong, but with a TDS, I think a reading of 
"000" can have up to 2.0 uS in conductance. Because of the scale the 
meter reads at. That is a LOT when it comes to making CS, if the "lot" 
is something that has a big affect on CS making.
A PWT meter reads in tenths of a microsiemen so it can read down to .1 
microsiemen (uS). I was just lucky that I chose the more expensive PWT 
over a TDS (from reading about both on this list) because for conditions 
here, I had to have distilled water of .2 to .3 uS in order to make 
clear CS (again I could go to .4 if the water had been distilled twice). 
A reading of "000" on a TDS, if it happened to actually be 2.0 uS would 
have made very dark yellow CS for me.


I got my meter before I got a distiller, and similar very low uS 
readings were necessary for commercial DW. In retrospect, I believe the 
DW sold here then  was produced locally, which means from the same water 
I distilled  myself with my home still. Now, all brands of DW sold here 
are produced in SLC, Utah, and I just made a gallon batch yesterday with 
water that read 5 uS which is still clear after sitting overnight. This 
is what tells me it is WHAT is in the water as much or more than it is a 
matter of what the uS reading is.

Amazing.
sol



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CS>CS in home cleaning agents

[needling around]

Does anyone know of home cleaning agents that utilize CS in their formulation?

Thanks.
PT

Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[sol]

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

So you think it would be ok to use the 3% sol - just put more in?   I must say I 
would prefer to do this because handling the 35% makes me rather nervous   
 I still have to use up nearly a whole bottle of the 35% one though, which is going 
to take some time I fear!  dee
  
*I* think it is ok to use 3%. But keep in mind I'm in a minority on that 
opinion. My opinion is influenced by the analysis of one brand of 35% 
that I read online a few years ago (no additives in that brand so all 
contaminants were "native" to the product). Plus my opinion is also 
influenced by the fact that even 3% peroxide on my skin straight burns 
me, and I am scared of the 35%. Third influence is that my husband won't 
have the 35% in the house.I am terminally clumsy, and have 
tendon and joint problems in my  hands to boot, so any substance of such 
potential for damage is an accident waiting to happen with me handling it.

sol


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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Tony Moody]

Dee, 

You are quite correct in guessing that the melamine pad is the culprit 
casuing yellow EIS. That sort of kitchen aid often has soapy surfactant 
substances designed to be longlasting and effective at cleaning . but the 
surfactants and detergents, even at very small proportions, cause 
problems when making EIS . 

OK,
Tony

On 14 Apr 2010 at 13:49, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP

> No I didn't sol - big mistake I think!  dee
> 
> On 13 Apr 2010, at 21:07, sol wrote:
> 
> > Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >> But I didn't have a problem when I used the tissue Dave--only when I
> used the melamine pad!  I'm not going to clean them at all now though! 
> dee
> >> 
> >>  
> > Now another question I just thought of: did you rinse the electrodes
> with distilled water after using the melamine pad on them? If you
> already said, I forgot..
> > sol
> > 
> > 
> 
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CS>h2o2 dilution

[Tony Moody]

Subject changed.

Hi Dee,

Use 1.5 oz of the 35% into the 16 oz bottle and use distilled water to 
fill up to the top of  shoulder of the bottle just as it becomes a neck.

The arithmetic for above 1.5 oz (one and a half ounces)  made up to 16 oz 
with distilled water  is : 

1.5/16  * 35 = 3.28%
which is just under 3.5%
More exact would be to use 1.6 oz made up to 16oz . 

That would be 1.6/16  * 35 = 3.5 % 

OK,
Tony


On 14 Apr 2010 at 14:07, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP

> Sorry David this seems complicated to me (math moron that I am)  I have
> a sixteen ounce bottle (used formerly to house 3% store- bought HP) and
> I want to know how much 35% HP to put in if I fill it with DW.  It has
> to be really simple I'm afraid  dee
> 
> On 14 Apr 2010, at 05:01, David Bearrow wrote:
> 
> > Oy. Look at it like this:
> > 35% = 100, divide both by 2
> > 17.5% = 50, divide both by 2
> > 8.75% = 25, divide both by 2
> > 4.375% = 12.5
> > 
> > What that mean? You take the 35% peroxide and mix in an equal amount
> of
> > water and it divides it in half making it 17.5%. If you started with
> 1/4 cup
> > of 35% peroxide mix in 1/4 cup water. This gives you 1/2 cup of
> 17.5%
> > peroxide. Mix in 1/2 cup of water to the 1/2 cup of 17.5% peroxide you
> just
> > made. This gives you 1 cup of 8.75% peroxide. Mix in 1 cup of water to
> the 1
> > cup of 8.75% peroxide you just made. This gives you 2 cups of 4.375%
> > peroxide. To me thats close enough to 3.5%.
> > 
> > David
> > 
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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Richard Goodwin]

Another way of looking at it:

Get a 12 oz container.  Put into it:

11 oz of water
1 oz of 35% h2o2

The result should be real close to 3% h2o2, assuming my arithmetic isn't bogus

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From: Ruth Bertella 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 10:40:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

 
Dee   get a 2 or 4 cup measuring 
cup.
 
Add 1/4 cup 35% H202 and 1/4 cup DW to the measuring 
cup  You now have 1/2 cup liquid that would be 17.5% H202 
now.
 
Now add another 1/2 cup DW to the mix in the same 
measuring cup...   you now have 1 cup of 8.75% H202.
 
Now add 1 cup of DW to the mix in the measuring 
cup...   you now have 2 cups of 4.375%.
 
This should fit into your 16 oz. H202 
bottle
 
Ruth
 
- Original Message - 
>From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:29 
>  AM
>Subject: Re: CS>where is 
>  everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?
>
>Sorry, it may be clear to you, but not to me.  What sort 
>  of container are you going to put this in?  I just want to be able to 
>  dilute it as I need it and keep the remainder in the freezer.  Surely, 
>  unless you use loads of H202 it would decompose fairly rapidly if diluted 
> into 
>  this amount, because home-made would not have the stabilisers the shop 
> bought 
>  kind has...I would have thought.  dee
>
>On 14 Apr 2010, at 14:59, 
>  Ruth Bertella wrote:
>
>> How much easier can it be 
>  explained?   You dilute the 35% in half to get it down to the 
>  17.5%.   You then dilute that in half to get it down to the 
>  8.75%.  Then dilute in half yet again to get to the 4.375%.  When I 
>  say dilute it in half, you add the same amount of distilled water to 
> whatever 
>  your peroxide mix measure is (i.e., one cup DW plus one cup of whatever % 
>  peroxide mix you have = a half diluted mix from what you started 
>  with).
>>  
>> You may not have the convenience of using the 16 
>  oz bottle for mixing the whole thing up, but you can use it to store some of 
>  the diluted mixture.
>>  
>> Ruth
>>  
> 
>
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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Ruth Bertella]

Dee   get a 2 or 4 cup measuring cup.

Add 1/4 cup 35% H202 and 1/4 cup DW to the measuring cup  You now have 1/2 
cup liquid that would be 17.5% H202 now.

Now add another 1/2 cup DW to the mix in the same measuring cup...   you now 
have 1 cup of 8.75% H202.

Now add 1 cup of DW to the mix in the measuring cup...   you now have 2 cups of 
4.375%.

This should fit into your 16 oz. H202 bottle

Ruth

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  From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
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  Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:29 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?


  Sorry, it may be clear to you, but not to me.  What sort of container are you 
going to put this in?  I just want to be able to dilute it as I need it and 
keep the remainder in the freezer.  Surely, unless you use loads of H202 it 
would decompose fairly rapidly if diluted into this amount, because home-made 
would not have the stabilisers the shop bought kind has...I would have thought. 
 dee

  On 14 Apr 2010, at 14:59, Ruth Bertella wrote:

  > How much easier can it be explained?   You dilute the 35% in half to get it 
down to the 17.5%.   You then dilute that in half to get it down to the 8.75%.  
Then dilute in half yet again to get to the 4.375%.  When I say dilute it in 
half, you add the same amount of distilled water to whatever your peroxide mix 
measure is (i.e., one cup DW plus one cup of whatever % peroxide mix you have = 
a half diluted mix from what you started with).
  >  
  > You may not have the convenience of using the 16 oz bottle for mixing the 
whole thing up, but you can use it to store some of the diluted mixture.
  >  
  > Ruth
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RE: CS>where is everyone? now - serious CS questions

[Ode Coyote]

  Key word...need.
You don't need to filter or decant unless you feel or see the need and a 
laser will show it to you in detail, but need is still an opinion.
 Far as I can tell, none of that stuff is "harmful" in any way, at worst, 
useless.


When the laser shows a TE that looks like velvet with no sparklies or 
grainy hard edged appearance, you know that all the particles are below the 
size that would reflect a photon stream large enough for the eye to be able 
to discriminate between them due to the resolution limits of eyeballs.


What the resolution of eyeballs is, is all wrapped up in distance and 
angular stuff that I've not been able to unravel to this specific close up 
question amplified by bright linear light and the optics of a round water 
filled container aka *microscope* of sorts...nor have I been able to 
discover what the max size of a silver particle is that will stay suspended 
forever in water. [Rumor has it at around 1 micron ?? ]


Ode



At 09:41 PM 4/13/2010 +1030, you wrote:
OK, well seeing as I know you're fairly cluey on the subject , praps 
you could answer me this then...How does one filter, or decant leaving 
"bigguns" behind when there's nothing in the container TO leave behind?


What say you then about density and size if I don't have anything 'left 
behind' to filter or decant?  Can't filter or decant when there's nothing 
there to filter or decant, it's just pure EIS I'm afraid, no 'bigguns', no 
mud, no gravel, no nothing.  If I were to decant at any time all I'd be 
doing would be pouring my solution from one container into another with 
*nothing* left in the container but air.


Praps you could take a wild guess as to why I don't have a necessity to do 
this?  Or should I be presumptuous and take a wild guess myself...I 
produce good quality EIS, be it clear or yellow.  The definition of 'good' 
would be up to an individuals interpretation I spose, but I'm quite 
content with how mine looks.


Dee passed a friendly comment the other day about my being "laid back", 
well in actuallity, nothing could be further from the truth.  I am 
somewhat perplexed when I hear some have a need to filter or decant when I 
have never had to do that with what I produce, I am left wondering what 
the hell some people are making, or how they're making it?  If I ever 
needed to do that I would be making some serious changes in my process 
here I can tell you.


N.

> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 04:29:10 -0400
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> From: odecoy...@windstream.net
> Subject: Re: CS>where is everyone? now - serious CS questions
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>
>
> The laser just gives you some eyeball idea of particle density and size.
> If you filter by letting the bigguns settle, it'll tell you when it's 
ready

> to decant.
> Ode


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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Sorry, it may be clear to you, but not to me.  What sort of container are you 
going to put this in?  I just want to be able to dilute it as I need it and 
keep the remainder in the freezer.  Surely, unless you use loads of H202 it 
would decompose fairly rapidly if diluted into this amount, because home-made 
would not have the stabilisers the shop bought kind has...I would have thought. 
 dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 14:59, Ruth Bertella wrote:

> How much easier can it be explained?   You dilute the 35% in half to get it 
> down to the 17.5%.   You then dilute that in half to get it down to the 
> 8.75%.  Then dilute in half yet again to get to the 4.375%.  When I say 
> dilute it in half, you add the same amount of distilled water to whatever 
> your peroxide mix measure is (i.e., one cup DW plus one cup of whatever % 
> peroxide mix you have = a half diluted mix from what you started with).
>  
> You may not have the convenience of using the 16 oz bottle for mixing the 
> whole thing up, but you can use it to store some of the diluted mixture.
>  
> Ruth
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Re: CS>where is everyone? now - serious CS questions

[Richard Goodwin]

> When thirsty and water cancel each other, you don't really need to know the 
> scientific details of dehydration.

Ode

Heh ... like matter and antimatter, when they collide, they annihilate each 
other.   Same with thirsty and water, eh?  But ... where do they go then???


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Re: CS>Adding hydrogen peroxide to CS makes cars happen

[Ode Coyote]

  I have a slightly deer damaged but well maintained 96 Saturn Coupe 
sitting around.

2 liter 5 speed manual trans...lotsa miles on it.
 New tires, runs great, doesn't burn but 1 quart in 3,000 miles [like it 
did when new ]

43 MPG Highway.
 AC probably works, haven't tried it.
I already have too many cars and have no use for this one.
 I've had it for about 2 weeks and personally know every owner since it 
left the Georgia ? factory.


I was hoping to get $700 for it and a steal at that, but..I'll break even 
at $200 [Chain of gratitude and coincidence at work] and I don't "need" a 
profit.
 But I DO want to break even. [And people don't appreciate "free" ..it 
doesn't actually help them in the long run, anyhow. ]


It's about a 6 hour drive from Atlanta. Sanford NC   Cash down, Tag it and go.

And mebbe we'll head for Talledega one day and have a use for a yard to 
park the minivan in over night to catch a nap.


Ode  [Ken  919-776-6396 ]

At 10:21 AM 4/13/2010 -0700, you wrote:


Wow. For CS and MMS is ALL we have. We are almost broke, lost our car in a 
terrible accident, which my husband survived [car pulled right in front of 
him with no signal in busy Atlanta 6-lane traffic and we hate going to 
Atlanta and live miles out in the countryside]... and no insurance to 
replace, the perpetrator drove off and no numbers.. but lots of witnesses! 
And no money to buy a new one.  So we thought, someone may gift us an old 
car they have hanging around...


Yesterday someone answered a facebook plea and lives locally and drove 
round to our place and took us back and loaned us her newish Isuzu 
Trooper, until April 22 when her husband returns and needs it for 
work.  She even offered to swap with her two day old fancy new car if she 
needeed it to haul something over the weekend.


We live in the hold of some 'angelic' grace.. and it falls when times get 
hard and we pray or just ask for answers from somewhere... surrender..


thank you and apologies for my profusion.. this is one of those days..

sunny x




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Re: CS>where is everyone? now - serious CS questions

[Ode Coyote]

  TE has nothing to do with ions..it means that are fewer or smaller 
particles, too small for the pure red light wavelengths of a laser to "find".
 The rise in conductivity indicates than some of the particles turned into 
ions as only ions contribute to a meter registering anything at all.

BUT, there are TWO sorts of ions in there  Ag [+] and OH [-] the anion.

If the yellow was due to oxidized ions and the H2O2 scavenged the Oxy off 
that molecule, the result *should be* an O2 gas emulsion [murky for a while 
till the gas bubbles are  dissolved into the water] and a newly made silver 
ion adding to conductivity.


If a particle [crystal ] was nucleated by a silver oxide molecule and the 
H2O2 broke up that nucleus into gas emulsion and an ion, the particle would 
fragment into smaller pieces.

 Crystals prefer to form around a nucleus.

In a case where it's mostly just unprotected ions and the Hydroxl anions 
such as with very fresh EIS, the addition of  "some" H2O2 might scavenge 
the Oxy off the Anion and make a Hydrogen AND Oxygen gas emulsion [white 
murky] where "more" H2O2 might also oxidize silver ions along with the 
emulsion previously made [brown murky]


 Hot water will hold less dissolved gas than cold and more kinetic energy 
should cause microscopic bubbles to merge, become big enough to be buoyant 
and bubble off.
 Question:  Does bringing EIS made murky by H2O2 clear up to *not murky* 
after being heated upto colorless or brownish ? [depending on what 
color it was ]


 "Stabilized" EIS  could be a result of Silver Ions loosely bonding with 
the Oxygen atoms of water molecules over a period of time, hence protecting 
them from the action of H2O2, leaving it to prefer reactions with whatever 
Silver Oxides there may be and OH anions.
 Yellow clears up, indicating it was due to suspended oxide 
particles...and/or...particles of that size made on those Oxide particles.
An Oxide nucleated particle could display a color yellow from both pigment 
and Rayleigh Light Scattering effect...or other colors just from light 
scattering overwhelming the pigmentation to just add a darker hue to the 
dominating color.
Given that H2O2 removes color from yellow, violet AND red EIS, that 
indicates that both particle sizes are being reduced and the destruction of 
Silver Oxide nuclei is happening to cause that reduction.


If a meter is registering on OH [-] Anions after the Silver Ions have 
Hydrated with the water, that could explain why conductivity drops as the 
EIS stabilizes without developing a much denser TE.
But if many of the silver ions find an anion before the ions hydrate, the 
conductivity would also drop with the formation of Silver Hydroxide along 
with the formation of a more dense TE.

In both cases, the meter would triggering on Anions as Ions go hide.

Anions are made in a 1 to 1 ratio with ions, so using a meter to get PPM of 
"Silver" is like counting apples to see how many oranges there are in a 
basket of pears.
It sorta works as they are all about the same size, but you aren't doing 
anything like what you'd think you are.


 Tracking PH changes should clear up some details. [I find details to be 
really boring]

OH [-] rich water is the definition of Alkaline Water.

BTW  Most water ionizers use salt or tap water minerals, making the 
Alkaline effect due to the formation of Lye or other highly water soluble 
metal Hydroxide, where-as *Silver Hydroxide* is not very soluble in water.


It would be a lot cheaper and easier to just drop a few Draino Crystals in 
water and drink that.


On the Acid side of the ionizer, you'd have Hypochlorous Acid rather than 
H3 Hydronium rich water you would get using pure water in the Ionizer, both 
useful disinfectants and both Acidic, but not quite the same thing.


If you happen to have a brand new water ionizer, try using pure water and 
silver electrodes..and see what you get.


Should be pure Silver Ions in water on one side [no flavor and reacts 
violently with H2O2] and pure Hydronium water on the other. [bitter flavor 
and no apparent reaction with H2O2]

..a whole 'nother can o worms, ey?

S... what happens if you use Silver electrodes and EIS as the conductor 
with a Zapper, rather than Copper  that won't ionize as at low a voltage as 
Silver will and salt water as the conductive interface liquid ?


Silver Iontoporosis?  ..and Hypochlorous Acid and Lye made IN the blood out 
of the salt in the blood, rather than both in the blood and on the skin.
 And when those two meet making themselves back into salt, left over 
Silver Ions in the blood?

 Would salt rather be salt over Silver Chloride?  I think so.

  What then?

It would appear that Silver Ions stimulate the production of stem cells as 
well as sterilizing whatever they are in, virtually eliminating scar tissue 
and infections while wounded pieces and parts are healing FAST.



 A Zapper run in such a manner could use the Alkaline effect of killing 
cancer cells, the 

Re: CS>

[Ode Coyote]

http://www.colloidalsilver.com.au/FREE-DIY.html

ode

At 07:52 PM 4/13/2010 +, you wrote:


I just returned to the list to get advise for someone I know that is in 
need of a plan for a home made generator.  Due to medical expenses the SG6 
or SilverPuppy is not an option for them.  IMHO, this might not be true 
for them today had they been on EIS.  Bob Smith



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RE: CS>where is everyone? now - serious CS questions

[Ode Coyote]

 It's pretty tough to conduct science in highly variable environments with 
the most chemically active form of matter besides maybe a hot plasma.
So cave painting and guessing at the stars it remains and what works, works 
without knowing exactly why.


When thirsty and water cancel each other, you don't really need to know the 
scientific details of dehydration.


Ode


At 10:14 PM 4/13/2010 +1030, you wrote:
No worries Dee, It's just that EIS seems to have a mind of it's own and 
will occasionally throw the odd curve ball at you.  You're right about the 
science thing of course, but my experience indicates THIS stuff is not a 
science, it's an art, and unless the researchers pick up the pace, I don't 
think the painting will be completed in my lifetime .


It's just EIS throwing down the gaunlet to see if you're good enough to a 
challenge it.  I don't accept the challenge anymore.


Praps it's simply because I don't get these issues some speak of that I 
don't understand the reason for anyone hitting their EIS with HP.  Praps 
old Wayne was right, I haven't gotten my hands muddied and bloodied 
enough, but then why should I?  If it ain't broke...don't mess with it .


N.

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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Ruth Bertella]

How much easier can it be explained?   You dilute the 35% in half to get it 
down to the 17.5%.   You then dilute that in half to get it down to the 8.75%.  
Then dilute in half yet again to get to the 4.375%.  When I say dilute it in 
half, you add the same amount of distilled water to whatever your peroxide mix 
measure is (i.e., one cup DW plus one cup of whatever % peroxide mix you have = 
a half diluted mix from what you started with).

You may not have the convenience of using the 16 oz bottle for mixing the whole 
thing up, but you can use it to store some of the diluted mixture.

Ruth

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:07 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?


  Sorry David this seems complicated to me (math moron that I am)  I have a 
sixteen ounce bottle (used formerly to house 3% store- bought HP) and I want to 
know how much 35% HP to put in if I fill it with DW.  It has to be really 
simple I'm afraid  dee

  On 14 Apr 2010, at 05:01, David Bearrow wrote:

  > Oy. Look at it like this:
  > 35% = 100, divide both by 2
  > 17.5% = 50, divide both by 2
  > 8.75% = 25, divide both by 2
  > 4.375% = 12.5
  > 
  > What that mean? You take the 35% peroxide and mix in an equal amount of
  > water and it divides it in half making it 17.5%. If you started with 1/4 cup
  > of 35% peroxide mix in 1/4 cup water. This gives you 1/2 cup of 17.5%
  > peroxide. Mix in 1/2 cup of water to the 1/2 cup of 17.5% peroxide you just
  > made. This gives you 1 cup of 8.75% peroxide. Mix in 1 cup of water to the 1
  > cup of 8.75% peroxide you just made. This gives you 2 cups of 4.375%
  > peroxide. To me thats close enough to 3.5%.
  > 
  > David
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CS>CS - H202

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I was just reading about HP and found out why I had little bubbles in the 
CS/H202 mixture.  Low and behold - it is because it has metal contaminants in 
it - i.e. SILVER!  I was reading up on how to tell if it had stabilisers in it 
- or anything else - and this is what it said.



just thought I'd share.  dee

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Re: CS>RE: H2O2

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Yes I think I have realised this now Tel, but it is dealing with the one I have 
which is the problem.  I am trying to ascertain how to dilute it into the 3% 
sort and gradually get rid of it.  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 14:07, Tel Tofflemire wrote:

> 36% H2o2 is too strong for most people to deal with. Even the fumes can harm 
> you.
> You should stick with 3% it is much safer to use. Plus a lot cheaper.
>  
> Tel Tofflemire
> Dewey, AZ.
> 
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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Sorry David this seems complicated to me (math moron that I am)  I have a 
sixteen ounce bottle (used formerly to house 3% store- bought HP) and I want to 
know how much 35% HP to put in if I fill it with DW.  It has to be really 
simple I'm afraid  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 05:01, David Bearrow wrote:

> Oy. Look at it like this:
> 35% = 100, divide both by 2
> 17.5% = 50, divide both by 2
> 8.75% = 25, divide both by 2
> 4.375% = 12.5
> 
> What that mean? You take the 35% peroxide and mix in an equal amount of
> water and it divides it in half making it 17.5%. If you started with 1/4 cup
> of 35% peroxide mix in 1/4 cup water. This gives you 1/2 cup of 17.5%
> peroxide. Mix in 1/2 cup of water to the 1/2 cup of 17.5% peroxide you just
> made. This gives you 1 cup of 8.75% peroxide. Mix in 1 cup of water to the 1
> cup of 8.75% peroxide you just made. This gives you 2 cups of 4.375%
> peroxide. To me thats close enough to 3.5%.
> 
> David
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CS>RE: H2O2

[Tel Tofflemire]

36% H2o2 is too strong for most people to deal with. Even the fumes can harm 
you.
You should stick with 3% it is much safer to use. Plus a lot cheaper.
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: David Bearrow 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 9:01:07 PM
Subject: RE: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

Oy. Look at it like this:
35% = 100, divide both by 2
17.5% = 50, divide both by 2
8.75% = 25, divide both by 2
4.375% = 12.5

What that mean? You take the 35% peroxide and mix in an equal amount of
water and it divides it in half making it 17.5%. If you started with 1/4 cup
of 35% peroxide mix in 1/4 cup water. This gives you 1/2 cup of 17.5%
peroxide. Mix in 1/2 cup of water to the 1/2 cup of 17.5% peroxide you just
made. This gives you 1 cup of 8.75% peroxide. Mix in 1 cup of water to the 1
cup of 8.75% peroxide you just made. This gives you 2 cups of 4.375%
peroxide. To me thats close enough to 3.5%.

David

-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:16 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
> I intend to make some 3% from my 35% sol, so do you know how I do that?  I
mean, how much water would I put in to HP and do I need distilled water or
would tap do?  Thanks.  dee
>
>  
I'd use distilled water. 1 part 35% peroxide to 9 parts distilled water 
will give you 3.5%, I think, or maybe it would be 1 part 35% peroxide to 
10 parts distilled water.LOL, math is not my strong point.
sol


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Re: CS>where is everyone? now - serious CS questions

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks for the clear explanation for this Marshall.  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 20:33, Marshall Dudley wrote:

> When you started you had particles of 40 to 50 nm in size, and a 
> concentration over 20 ppm of silver.  When you added the H2O2 it immediately 
> broke up the big particles producing silver oxide and silver hydroxide, but 
> before it could convert most of that to 2 atom particles it was used up, so 
> you were left with a concentration of ionic silver above the limit of 
> solubility (25 or so ppm) which made it cloudy.  Adding another drop of H2O2 
> allowed some of the ionic silver to convert to 2 atom colloid, thus clearing 
> it up.  As time went buy more of the undissolved ionic silver either went 
> back into solution or precipitated out reducing the Tyndall.
> 
> Marshall
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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Oh Lord, me either!  Are these 'parts' ounces, i.e 10 ounces DW to 1 ounce HP?  
dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 21:15, sol wrote:

> Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> I intend to make some 3% from my 35% sol, so do you know how I do that?  I 
>> mean, how much water would I put in to HP and do I need distilled water or 
>> would tap do?  Thanks.  dee
>> 
>>  
> I'd use distilled water. 1 part 35% peroxide to 9 parts distilled water will 
> give you 3.5%, I think, or maybe it would be 1 part 35% peroxide to 10 parts 
> distilled water.LOL, math is not my strong point.
> sol
> 
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Re: CS>where is everyone? now - serious CS questions

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

You're so sweet - you said something nice Chuck!  


On 13 Apr 2010, at 21:10, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

> We love you as you are Dee...
> 
> What about Neville, who "can't decant???
> 
>   Chuck
> Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch!
> 
> 
> On 4/13/2010 2:08:19 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
>> Golly, I wish I was brainier!  dee
>> 
>> On 13 Apr 2010, at 18:19, Marshall Dudley wrote:
>> 


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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

No I didn't sol - big mistake I think!  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 21:07, sol wrote:

> Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> But I didn't have a problem when I used the tissue Dave--only when I used 
>> the melamine pad!  I'm not going to clean them at all now though!  dee
>> 
>>  
> Now another question I just thought of: did you rinse the electrodes with 
> distilled water after using the melamine pad on them? If you already said, I 
> forgot..
> sol
> 
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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I know we've done this before but I can't get my head round it at all I'm 
afraid.  My TDS meter reads 000 on my distilled water, which to me means that 
there is 0 dissolved substances in it.  I mean, I know there is probably some 
that are too small for the meter to read.  When I did my first batch of DW, I 
ran tap water through a Brita filter *before* distilling.  The water then read 
002 and when I distilled it again, it read 003!  I don't understand this but 
assumed it must have been *something* in the filter of the Brita vessel.  
Anyway, since then I followed Ode's advice and boil cold tap water (which reads 
at around 255 before distilling) then distill it - pouring off the first lot 
which comes through.  This finished product always reads 000 on the meter and 
has always produced consistently clear CS - until this latest incident with the 
yellowing.  I am convinced now that it is because I cleaned the rods wrongly.  
dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 21:06, sol wrote:

> 
>> - Original Message 
>> From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
>> 
>> I did put in three drops of the 3% Dave and when it went grey, I put in some 
>> more but it went nearly black!  I assumed it was because there is something 
>> else in the 3%.  dee
>> 
>>  
> I only ever had one batch do that, it went from very dark yellow, to cloudy 
> brown, to cloudy dark grey-almost black from adding peroxide. I suspect there 
> were a lot of very large silver particles in the batch to begin with. It was 
> so many years ago, and I did throw out that batch, but now wish I had 
> continued to add a bit of peroxide every couple days to see what would have 
> happened.
> It also may have been a batch that started with very bad distilled water, as 
> it was from before I had a test meter, and didn't realize how bad commercial 
> distilled water could be around here. I'm having very good results from 
> commercially sold distilled water these days...I think it comes from 
> a different source than it used to do.
> Because you are using a TDS, even testing your distilled water beforehand, 
> you could have very poor DW to start with, and the contaminants in the DW 
> could vary from time to time, batch to batch once in a while. I say that 
> because the commercial DW I'm using now with clear CS results is higher in uS 
> than the water I distilled myself (double distilling).
> Home distilling: to get clear finished CS the water had to be .2uS to .3 uS 
> if single distilled, or no higher than .4uS after double distilling.
> The commercial DW we're getting now is much higher--in fact the water from a 
> new jug I just opened read  5.0 uS. So I'm about to find out if that will 
> make yellow CS or not.
> It seems to me I have conclusive proof that it isn't just the uS reading of 
> the distilled water but also WHAT it is that is in the DW that is raising the 
> conductance.
> sol
> 
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Re: CS>where is everyone? now - serious CS questions

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thank you for the information Marshall.  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 20:36, Marshall Dudley wrote:

> It is possible you still had some large particles that had not gotten broken 
> down with the first drop, but I would guess what you really had was ionic 
> silver precipitate because it exceeded the solubility limit, and the second 
> drop converted some of that to 2 atom colloid.  Or you might have had both.
> 
> BTW, I was wrong about going up by the 4th power of size, it actually goes up 
> by the 6th power of size per particle, or 3rd power of size for a constant 
> ppm.
> 
> Marshall
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Re: CS>where is everyone?/..."TAITP~WBSF"?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

So you think it would be ok to use the 3% sol - just put more in?   I must say 
I would prefer to do this because handling the 35% makes me rather nervous 
   I still have to use up nearly a whole bottle of the 35% one though, 
which is going to take some time I fear!  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 20:39, sol wrote:

> Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> I did put in three drops of the 3% Dave and when it went grey, I put in some 
>> more but it went nearly black!  I assumed it was because there is something 
>> else in the 3%.  dee
>> 
>>  
> Despite claims of the purity of 35% peroxide, there ARE also other substances 
> in it, from manufacturing contamination. H202 is so highly corrosive it 
> leaches some of everything it touches into itself. I saw some analyses of 
> what exactly the contaminants are in the 35% H202, and so the claims of how 
> awful the stabilizers in 3% H202 are has never impressed me. Some brands of 3 
> % may have more or different stabilizers from other brands though. And unless 
> you test the 35% against the 3% in the equivalent strengths in the SAME batch 
> of CS it can't be said with certainty that the reason for the difference is 
> that one is "contaminated" and one is not. Even with stabilizers, peroxide 
> does weaken with age so it could also be the freshness or not of the 3%. H202 
> is unstable even with "stabilizers" added, LOL.Which is why I liked it as a 
> cleaner for pet urine stains on carpet--blot up the urine so far as 
> possible, literally pour on some peroxide (3%) walk away. Cover with towel if 
> pets will walk on the peroxide wet spot.
> The peroxide oxidizes the organic molecules in the urine, and as it does so 
> it degrades into water itself, leaving behind no odor of its own, and the 
> vanishingly small traces of stabilizers. Yeah, I'm a lazy cleaner, LOL.
> sol
> 
> 


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CS>Serious EIS Colour Questions.

[Neville Munn]

Marshall, would it be possible for you to give me an explanation of why number 
(3) showed *no* beam thru the solution at all?

And for that matter, why there is a difference in strength of beam in the other 
two?

All lasers were used on the same solution.

 

Three different red lasers, 
> (1) 650nm+/-10 maximum output 1mW...{strong beam passing thru liquid}
> (2) 650nm+/-10 maximum output 5mW...{fainter beam}
> (3) 630-650nm  maximum output 1mW...{no beam at all}

 

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