RE: CSTesting pH?
Oops, OK, Sorry, my mistake.
I did say my knowledge of chemistry was minimal {but I am still reading in an
attempt to get a better grasp of pH testing methods} g.
N.
From: mdev...@eskimo.com
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 21:21:13 -0500
Subject: RE: CSTesting pH?
Neville,
The chemical Harold is adding is not a buffer, but simply an
*indicator* that changes color over a range of pH. It's a similar thing
to the stuff that's soaked into litmus paper. It should *not* change
the pH of the sample, if it's properly designed and made.
Buffers, as you say, are designed to adjust the pH to a particular
value, and don't necessarily have anything to do with measuring the pH.
The only way I can think they might is by measuring the amount needed
to achieve that pH change you could possibly get some indication of the
composition of the acid or alkaline chemistry of the sample. That's
just a guess on my part, however. I don't have any experience with such
systems.
Be well,
Mike D.
This is why I asked if a buffer is *necessary*, I don't want to change
anything, and I don't want to 'neutralise' anything, I just want to take
a measurement *as is*.
I'm content now, knowing that a buffer is not a requirement if simply
wanting to take a straight measurement of water or a solution.
Why do you add the reagent Harold?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but buffers are for the purpose of increasing
or decreasing acidity/alkalinity as a compensatory measure to create a
neutral pH are they not? I don't wish to alter or neutralise anything,
just get a reading of pH of the water/solution as it is from scratch.
N.
From: har...@telus.net
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Subject: CSTesting pH?
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:26:24 -0700
I test my Distilled water using an aquarium kit.It uses a blue reagent,2
drops in a measured amt of water.
Harold
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RE: CSTesting pH?
Hi Neville, Taking a guess here . The buffer may be a solution made up to be a fixed pH for testing and monitoring and adjusting the pH meter. From memory, watching others setting up and calibrating pH electrodes and meters, there were two such solutions at or near the ends of the upper and lower range of the desired measurement range. But usually only one solution is sufficient for checking, once the meter and electrode is set. A buffer solution is chosen to be a stable pH even though it has aged or been stuffed up in other ways. It should be a steady, reliable known pH. OK, Tony On 3 Jul 2010 at 11:28, Neville Munn wrote about : Subject : RE: CSTesting pH? This is why I asked if a buffer is *necessary*, I don't want to change anything, and I don't want to 'neutralise' anything, I just want to take a measurement *as is*. I'm content now, knowing that a buffer is not a requirement if simply wanting to take a straight measurement of water or a solution. Why do you add the reagent Harold? Correct me if I'm wrong, but buffers are for the purpose of increasing or decreasing acidity/alkalinity as a compensatory measure to create a neutral pH are they not? I don't wish to alter or neutralise anything, just get a reading of pH of the water/solution as it is from scratch. N. From: har...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTesting pH? Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:26:24 -0700 I test my Distilled water using an aquarium kit.It uses a blue reagent,2 drops in a measured amt of water. Harold _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTesting pH?
Exactly.
The Litumus paper is to see what the PH is, the buffer to change it and
Litumus paper is to see what the PH is then.
Ode
At 09:55 PM 7/2/2010 +1030, you wrote:
Don't know if you've misunderstood the question Ode?
Most articles I read about pH testing there is mention of a buffer
solution, not being chemistry minded, and my understanding in these
matters is minimal {whilst I continue my search for relevant material}
therefore I just wanted to know if a meter/paper could be used *as is*
without the necessity for that buffer solution.
It seems to me that the reason buffer solutions are used is if one wishes
to *change* the acidity or alkalinity of that solution which is being
tested as a means of 'compensation'...I don't want to *change* or
*compensate* for anything...just want to know if I can dip the paper/meter
in the water and use that pH reading as a reference of pH of that solution.
Do you follow what I'm saying?
PH will be different at cessation of production to what it will be after
suitable time frame has elapsed...to a point whereby I suppose the pH
reaches a point of 'stabilization?'...Yes/No? Not dissimilar to the
silver solution time frame for stabilization.
N.
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 05:59:00 -0400
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From: odecoy...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: CSTesting pH?
It seems to me that if you do buffer a solution, you are using the
paper/meter to test the PH altering effect of the buffer and would have to
test the solution both before and after buffering it.
Ode
At 05:34 PM 7/2/2010 +1030, you wrote:
If I wanted to test pH of distilled water or my EIS/CS solutions do I
need
to use that 'buffer' solution or can I simply use a pH meter or paper
strips...in, out, job done so to speak?
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Re: CSUSDA and Codex Alimentarius
There's a difference between a treaty and a trade agreement. When parties in an agreement disagree, it's gone. . WTO members do not have to be full sovereign nation-members. Instead, they must be a customs territory with full autonomy in the conduct of their ***external*** #commercial# relations. It has zero influence beyond what goes on at borders concerning import/export and has no authority even there. It's a system of mere voluntary guidelines...policies...' agreed upon ' in a meeting of the members...it's not even a law NAFTA only worked going South out of Canada for a looong time and only recently did they decide to follow the rules on their end to some degree. The ONLY thing the USA could do about that is abandon the agreement. The WTO has no international legal teeth ..and besides that, even treaties are bent and broken all the time. It comes down to make me and Oh Never Mind, can't do it, no tools in the box and just not worth the effort if somebody decides not to follow the guidelines. There is no enforcement arm and the WTO has absolutely nothing to do with internal domestic trade. All they can do is have a meeting and yell at each other. The Trilateral Commission doesn't rule anything either, nor do the Burgerbuilders. Influence ? YES, to some degree. Bush put up the steel tariffs, and all the steel industry loved it? But the WTO ruled against it and - guess what? The WTO is over in Europe, but George Bush had to withdraw the tariffs? No, he didn't had to do anything...and even the sanctions are voluntarily implemented by the members, but no power other than bluff and bluster. More recently it was Tire Tariffs with China, like you guys do that and we'll stop sending you cupie dolls. [except for the 5 million we let get snuck though to keep our doll factories in bizness] The members don't even follow their OWN rules. Pass 17 resolutions and DO nothing ? So, unless this Admin decides to adopt CODEX as a DOMESTIC LAW, it can't affect anything made here...and then, it's not the WTO, it's the Obamanation at work. You probably also believe that the PTA lords over the Dept of Education ? On the other hand, it DOES seem like the town drunks are setting the price of whine in this country. Drop that price or we'll stop drinking! [sanctions] Ode t 10:25 AM 7/2/2010 -0500, you wrote: I messed up my previous cut and paste so here is a revised version that should be correct. In spite of Annie's posts on the Codex Alimentarius I kinda thought What's that to me?. But apparently it may be imposed on us by the WTO and our access to natural supplements could be severely restricted. Thanks for the warning Annie. - Steve N Some excerpts from: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/salud/salud_censoredhealthsecrets.htm Dr. Wright: We're gaining ground, and so what's being tried is a stealth attack, and you'll read about that if you care to in previous editions of my newsletter. Unfortunately, the folks that wrote our Constitution here in the United States put a little clause in there that has allowed the last two or three administrations, that is several administrations, to do things to us through the back door without the approval of Congress. It says somewhere in the Constitution (and I'm serious, go read it, I just about fell over when I read it) that if we enter into a treaty, then that treaty shall override our United States Constitution. Were you aware of that? Mike: I was not. Dr. Wright: It is in there. I kid you not. Mike: So how do they use this to suppress nutritional medicine? Dr. Wright: Real easy! You know that thing called the World Trade Organization? Well, the WTO apparently gets to make so-called trade rules, and if the various countries don't pay attention to them they get to do this thing called sanctions. Remember when good-old George Bush put up the steel tariffs, and all the steel industry loved it? But the WTO ruled against it and - guess what? The WTO is over in Europe, but George Bush had to withdraw the tariffs? And I'm thinking, excuse me? The president of the United States has to bow down to the WTO? Not that I think that the presidency of the United States has been run all that wonderfully well the last few years, but still. That was the case. Because they were threatening these sanctions which would have damaged the country economically. Alright, well, as you know, there's this outfit over in Europe called Codex Alimentarius or whatever it's called, and a lot of the folks who attend their meetings are from the big European pharmaceutical cartel, which is just about the same as the American patent medicine cartel these days. And they put together this directive which is now called the European Food Supplements Directive, and the silly thing is scheduled to go into effect unless it's overturned in the European Court - and what that would do is to severely restrict the number and type of vitamins and minerals and
Re: CSrequest for cs info from animal shelters or rescuers
The silverpets group is gathering testimonials from animal shelters, rescue groups and individual rescuers of their experiences in using cs to help animals. We would appreciate any info this group can supply us or please pass our request to anyone you know that can help our cause. It is our hopes to promote the use of cs in animal shelters. Many shelters are just private groups...not city or county. They will be the ones that most likely can use the info we gather. Most all are very limited in funding and won't experiment on their own. Many of us have done that on our own and now want to take all these positive results to those that really need it. Thanks, Lin -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHospital stay
I am scheduled for knee replacement surgery in a couple of weeks. I would like to bring in some EIS. Dee used an empty drinking bottle with her name on the lid. How do you get the bottle past the nurses? I also would like to bring in some B-12. I tried the Pain Free knee exercises and they did reduce the pain. I told my DR about the exercises and he said great you need to do them even after surgery. I bought my tree colorant (paint) from an East Coast outfit, so I don't think the yellow pine needles are only common on the West Coast. I saw Christmas trees shipped from North Carolina that were sprayed with the colorant. I talked to a worker at a huge Montana tree farm who said they do not spray their pines until just before harvest. He used a tractor that sprayed colorant on ten rows at a time. One year I sprayed spruce trees with a blue colorant sample, enough for about 50 trees. A commercial buyer followed me and tagged every tree I just sprayed. Every spruce looked like a blue spruce. Brickey
Re: CSHospital stay
Take it and tell them it's none of their business if they ask. When I had my cancer operation I took a bunch of ziplock bags full of vitamins for every day. I laid them on the bed stand so I could get to them. Doctors asked me what they were and I said my vitamins. Their response--'well, they won't hurt you'. The nurses asked and I told them. Their response--'good for you, I take them too. Now of course, CS is different from vitamins. BUT--it's YOUR body, YOU are paying the bill and if YOU want to take CS, they have no right to stop you. It's good that the stretches helped. Did it get you out of pain yet? If it did, then you don't need the surgery IF you continue to do the stretches. Because if the stretches get you out of pain, that means that the reason for the surgery isn't valid. In the book--remember where he said he went over to talk to the lady at the kids basketball game? She looked as if she was in so much pain so he went over to talk to her and said arthritis and she said yes. He gave her a quick little stretch to do and said now how do you feel and she said--painless. He said do you know what that means?--expecting her not to know. But she surprised him and said--'it means I don't have arthritis, like the doctors told me'. He said that's correct--you are using the wrong muscles to do the job. So--if these stretches work for you, then this means the surgery is not necessary. If they haven't totally gotten you out of pain it could be that 1) you haven't done them long enough yet or 2) you are not doing them correctly. Do you have someone to compare your poses with the poses in the book? If so, if they look the same, then perhaps you should write to the clinic at www.egoscue.com for, I think it use to be $150 you can send them photos of you standing and tell them your problem, and they'll give you specific stretches that will take care of it. But they will tell you whether or not the stretches will help once you tell them your problem and they see your photos. Good luck. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- I am scheduled for knee replacement surgery in a couple of weeks. I would like to bring in some EIS. Dee used an empty drinking bottle with her name on the lid. How do you get the bottle past the nurses? I also would like to bring in some B-12. I tried the Pain Free knee exercises and they did reduce the pain. I told my DR about the exercises and he said great you need to do them even after surgery. I bought my tree colorant (paint) from an East Coast outfit, so I don't think the yellow pine needles are only common on the West Coast. I saw Christmas trees shipped from North Carolina that were sprayed with the colorant. I talked to a worker at a huge Montana tree farm who said they do not spray their pines until just before harvest. He used a tractor that sprayed colorant on ten rows at a time. One year I sprayed spruce trees with a blue colorant sample, enough for about 50 trees. A commercial buyer followed me and tagged every tree I just sprayed. Every spruce looked like a blue spruce. Brickey
Re: CSHospital stay
You still have time to check out Prolotherapy. See if there is a Dr. in your area that can explain it to you... On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:48 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote: I am scheduled for knee replacement surgery in a couple of weeks. I would like to bring in some EIS. Dee used an empty drinking bottle with her name on the lid. How do you get the bottle past the nurses? I also would like to bring in some B-12. I tried the Pain Free knee exercises and they did reduce the pain. I told my DR about the exercises and he said great you need to do them even after surgery. I bought my tree colorant (paint) from an East Coast outfit, so I don't think the yellow pine needles are only common on the West Coast. I saw Christmas trees shipped from North Carolina that were sprayed with the colorant. I talked to a worker at a huge Montana tree farm who said they do not spray their pines until just before harvest. He used a tractor that sprayed colorant on ten rows at a time. One year I sprayed spruce trees with a blue colorant sample, enough for about 50 trees. A commercial buyer followed me and tagged every tree I just sprayed. Every spruce looked like a blue spruce. Brickey -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
CSblog on oil
Hi, I have lost the link to the blog on the discussion of alkalizing to help detox from the oils spill. Would someone mind forwarding it again as I don't even remember who sent it originally. Thanks. PT
RE: CSHospital stay
This may be a tad off topic, but still relates to the main theme I guess.
I often wonder about that, and where one stood legally? It would be
interesting to know. Same with old folks homes?
While you're in THEIR building on THEIR property under THEIR medical
supervision or care blah blah etc etc, could they have anything to say
regarding what one does on 'private property', or conflict with some
'insurance' thing they may have and pull some legal stunt that disallows people
to consume stuff while in THEIR care? {if they wished to enforce it}
Can't they legally refuse alcohol, or cigarettes to be brought in or consumed
by a patient?
Of course America may have differing laws to us...Or do they, when it comes to
this sort of thing I wonder?
Any lawyers in the house? g
N.
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 18:17:26 -0500
From: gaiac...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHospital stay
Now of course, CS is different from vitamins. BUT--it's YOUR body, YOU are
paying the bill and if YOU want to take CS, they have no right to stop you.
Samala,
Renee
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Re: CSHospital stay
You might try the book entitled Ortho-Bionomy a path to self careby luann
overmeyer
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From: Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CSHospital stay
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 7:32 PM
You still have time to check out Prolotherapy. See if there is a Dr. in your
area that can explain it to you...
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:48 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote:
I am scheduled for knee replacement surgery in a couple of weeks. I would like
to bring in some EIS. Dee used an empty drinking bottle with her name on the
lid. How do you get the bottle past the nurses? I also would like to bring in
some B-12.
I tried the Pain Free knee exercises and they did reduce the pain. I told my DR
about the exercises and he said great you need to do them even after surgery.
I bought my tree colorant (paint) from an East Coast outfit, so I don't think
the yellow pine needles are only common on the West Coast. I saw Christmas
trees shipped from North Carolina that were sprayed with the colorant. I talked
to a worker at a huge Montana tree farm who said they do not spray their pines
until just before harvest. He used a tractor that sprayed colorant on ten rows
at a time.
One year I sprayed spruce trees with a blue colorant sample, enough for about
50 trees. A commercial buyer followed me and tagged every tree I just sprayed.
Every spruce looked like a blue spruce.
Brickey
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Re: CSblog on oil
Hi, Was this what you wanted http://sodiumbicarbonate.imva.info/ Robert --- On Sat, 7/3/10, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net Subject: CSblog on oil To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 7:36 PM Hi, I have lost the link to the blog on the discussion of alkalizing to help detox from the oils spill. Would someone mind forwarding it again as I don't even remember who sent it originally. Thanks. PT
CSBurns
I poured boiling stewed apples (accidentally) over my hand 2 hours ago - splashed CS over the area and although it stung for 90 minutes now there is no pain and no indication of burns - it just puzzles me as to why this is so effective - I always think of CS mainly as an antiseptic Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~
Re: CSBurns
Jane, CS dedifferentiates cells... it makes cells regenerate themselves back to normalcy. I don't know why this is so... perhaps due to the charge of the silver ions. - Original Message - From: Jane MacRoss To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: CSBurns I poured boiling stewed apples (accidentally) over my hand 2 hours ago - splashed CS over the area and although it stung for 90 minutes now there is no pain and no indication of burns - it just puzzles me as to why this is so effective - I always think of CS mainly as an antiseptic Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~
Re: CSBurns
Extraordinary - I've done this twice now in the last 2 days - only because i seem to be out of SSD cream (more silver!) - that miracle stuff that stops the pain too - but this works more effectively I think - not sure why I grabbed it but sure am glad I did! THanks for the response! Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Bob Banever Jane, CS dedifferentiates cells... it makes cells regenerate themselves back to normalcy. I don't know why this is so... perhaps due to the charge of the silver ions.
Re: CSBurns
When my kitten pulled a skillet with hot grease over on himself and burned a streak down both back legs, from hip to ankle, the first couple days I used aloe Vera and it really didn't do much. The poor little guy was in major pain, we had to carry him to the litter box and bring food and water to him as he couldn't walk. One side was over an inch wide and the other side was about a half inch. 3rd degree burns. After the third day I smacked my forehead and ran and got CS in a spray bottle. The relief was almost immediate, and new skin started to grow back within a few days, from the outside edges in. You could just see improvement every day. It 2 weeks it was totally healed over. Hardly a scar at all on the half inch side--just a fine line now. The other side, where the burn was over an inch wide, there is about a half inch wide scar at the top which narrows down to almost nothing at his 'knee' area down to his ankle. The one side you have to part his hair to even see the scar, on the bad side you can see the scar as no hair ever grew back (he's 7 now) but the skin over the scar is totally smooth and normal color. Not puckered like normal burn scar tissue. I would never be without CS after that, and bought my own CS maker after seeing what it did for him. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- it just puzzles me as to why this is so effective - I always think of CS mainly as an antiseptic
Re: CSBurns
Now that's a good idea to have some in a spray bottle - do you use a plastic spray bottle? Is it OK to have the CS in plastic (my stock is in a glass bottle) Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Renee After the third day I smacked my forehead and ran and got CS in a spray bottle. The relief was almost immediate, and new skin started to grow back within a few days, from the outside edges in. You could just see improvement every day. It 2 weeks it was totally healed over. Hardly a scar at all on the half inch side--just a fine line now. The other side, where the burn was over an inch wide, there is about a half inch wide scar at the top which narrows down to almost nothing at his 'knee' area down to his ankle. The one side you have to part his hair to even see the scar, on the bad side you can see the scar as no hair ever grew back (he's 7 now) but the skin over the scar is totally smooth and normal color. Not puckered like normal burn scar tissue. I would never be without CS after that, and bought my own CS maker after seeing what it did for him. Samala, Renee
