CSRE: smart meter
Here is the two links, the first is a picture of the doughnut thing and the second is a link to his store. Smart meter doughnut http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad266/bodhisattva123/orgonemeter.jpg online store from this seller the above picture is so new that he doesn’t have them listed on his site, but he has a custom choice, contact him if you want one. Here is his online store http://www.king-cart.com/cgi-bin/cart.cgi?store=orgonite Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:38:20 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: jaxi.sch...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Me too maybe just send to the list. :-) Jaxi On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:25 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: Please forward. Thanks, Jess From: paul catania Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 3:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter Hi Elizabeth, I'm interested. Thanks in advance, Paul - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Williams To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:28 PM Subject: RE: CSsmart meter There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT - MMS
Hi, I have a couple of questions about MMS for those who use it, if you don't mind answering. First, when using vinegar will any vinegar do the job. white or apple cider? Second, do you stop taking your multi-vitamin while using MMS? Since most have Vit C in them and one is supposed to take the MMS every 2 hours or so it would seem that it is necessary to discontinue supplements with Vit C. Thanks for any help you can give. PT
Re: CSOT - MMS
Hey PT. I've been making and using it for 5 years now. Any vinegar will do. As will lemon or lime juice, fresh or bottled. Fresh is better naturally, but many people have used bottled Real Lemon Juice (which isn't ) and activated it. I've used both white vinegar and acv. Chlorine dioxide, which is what activated MMS is, only stays in the body for 15 minutes or so. Humble use to say it lasted 12 hours, but the chemists proved him wrong. They say it only lasts about 10 to 15 minutes, but you could give it a half hour to be sure. That's actually why he switched from his twice a day 15 drop protocol, to every 2 hours with less drops--not because it is stronger this way, but because it actually is more effective because you are getting it into the body more often due to it not lasting very long. He just doesn't like to say that as he doesn't like to be proved wrong. He prefers to say he 'invented a new protocol'. What I tell people is to take their C just before bedtime, if they are dosing with MMS throughout the day. Take your last dose of MMS, wait a half hour, then load up on C. That gives the C plenty of time in the body. Every so often--once a week or so--stop the MMS and take C all day long. Samala, renee ---Original Message--- I have a couple of questions about MMS for those who use it, if you dont mind answering. happy.gif
RE: CSOT - MMS
Thanks, Renee and Dan. All was helpful. PT From: gaiac...@gmail.com [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:46 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS Hey PT. I've been making and using it for 5 years now. Any vinegar will do. As will lemon or lime juice, fresh or bottled. Fresh is better naturally, but many people have used bottled Real Lemon Juice (which isn't ) and activated it. I've used both white vinegar and acv. Chlorine dioxide, which is what activated MMS is, only stays in the body for 15 minutes or so. Humble use to say it lasted 12 hours, but the chemists proved him wrong. They say it only lasts about 10 to 15 minutes, but you could give it a half hour to be sure. That's actually why he switched from his twice a day 15 drop protocol, to every 2 hours with less drops--not because it is stronger this way, but because it actually is more effective because you are getting it into the body more often due to it not lasting very long. He just doesn't like to say that as he doesn't like to be proved wrong. He prefers to say he 'invented a new protocol'. What I tell people is to take their C just before bedtime, if they are dosing with MMS throughout the day. Take your last dose of MMS, wait a half hour, then load up on C. That gives the C plenty of time in the body. Every so often--once a week or so--stop the MMS and take C all day long. Samala, renee ---Original Message--- I have a couple of questions about MMS for those who use it, if you don't mind answering. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11 image001.gif
Re: CSOT - MMS
PT, I've used MMS for a few years on and off now. I've never had any side effects whatsoever and yes, you should stop taking Vit.C in any form while taking it. Vit.C can be taken after two hours however. You should use apple cider vinegar, not white vinegar. I've never used vinegar, always citric acid or lemon juice. Good luck. Bob - Original Message - From: PTFerrance To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:54 AM Subject: CSOT - MMS Hi, I have a couple of questions about MMS for those who use it, if you don't mind answering. First, when using vinegar will any vinegar do the job. white or apple cider? Second, do you stop taking your multi-vitamin while using MMS? Since most have Vit C in them and one is supposed to take the MMS every 2 hours or so it would seem that it is necessary to discontinue supplements with Vit C. Thanks for any help you can give. PT
RE: CSOT - MMS
Hi Renee, Does the vinegar/lemon juice work for making a spray concentration? Also, I was thinking more about multi-vitamins than an actual C capsule, but if I only have to wait ½ hour that works. I cannot take large doses of C without problems. Thanks, PT From: gaiac...@gmail.com [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:46 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS Hey PT. I've been making and using it for 5 years now. Any vinegar will do. As will lemon or lime juice, fresh or bottled. Fresh is better naturally, but many people have used bottled Real Lemon Juice (which isn't ) and activated it. I've used both white vinegar and acv. Chlorine dioxide, which is what activated MMS is, only stays in the body for 15 minutes or so. Humble use to say it lasted 12 hours, but the chemists proved him wrong. They say it only lasts about 10 to 15 minutes, but you could give it a half hour to be sure. That's actually why he switched from his twice a day 15 drop protocol, to every 2 hours with less drops--not because it is stronger this way, but because it actually is more effective because you are getting it into the body more often due to it not lasting very long. He just doesn't like to say that as he doesn't like to be proved wrong. He prefers to say he 'invented a new protocol'. What I tell people is to take their C just before bedtime, if they are dosing with MMS throughout the day. Take your last dose of MMS, wait a half hour, then load up on C. That gives the C plenty of time in the body. Every so often--once a week or so--stop the MMS and take C all day long. Samala, renee ---Original Message--- I have a couple of questions about MMS for those who use it, if you dont mind answering. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11 image001.gif
Re: CSOT - MMS
MMS made me very sick. I ended up having projectile vomiting for a day. I started very slow with the dose too. I tried it again several times and had other horrible reactions. Additionally, I still have big circles under my eyes, that were not there before. I don't recommend it for anyone. That is just me though. Glowing, Marygrace~ Original Message Subj: Date: 10/18/2011 6:55:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time From: _ptf2009@bellsouth.net_ (mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net) To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent on: Hi, I have a couple of questions about MMS for those who use it, if you don’t mind answering. First, when using vinegar will any vinegar do the job… white or apple cider? Second, do you stop taking your multi-vitamin while using MMS? Since most have Vit C in them and one is supposed to take the MMS every 2 hours or so it would seem that it is necessary to discontinue supplements with Vit C. Thanks for any help you can give. PT
CSsmart meter shielding
Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
I would think energy goes from inside someone’s electrical wires to their own meter and then all meters are transmitted to central station up to 5 miles away. So the danger for someone without a smart meter is that the neighborhood has this energy buzzing outside but not directly inside their own home. Otherwise it is passing through walls of everyone’s home and then sealing off your own smart meter with foil wouldn’t help. Jess From: Shirley Reed Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSOT - MMS
A person absolutely has to know how to use MMS, and for some people it is never any good. Humbel's continued insistence that it's perfectly safe for everyone is WRONG. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Additionally, I still have big circles under my eyes, that were not there before. I don't recommend it for anyone. That is just me though.
Re: CSOT - MMS
Three injuries I have heard personally, without even looking for them: -A patient went blind in one eye after getting MMS in his eye -2 patients had collapsed veins after an IV MMS treatment using unactivated MMS (sodium chlorite) ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
_martsmail53@aol.com_ (mailto:martsmai...@aol.com) wrote: stopsmartmeters. org/...any body know about these building electric smart meters response: They're bad news. Kathy _http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/?page_id=382_ (http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/?page_id=382) Read the report Scientists Urge Halt of Wireless Rollout and Call for New Safety Standards: Warning Issued on Risks to Children and Pregnant Women “Current US and ICNIRP standards for radiofrequency and microwave radiation from wireless technologies are entirely inadequate. (Olle Johansson, professor, The Experimental Dermatology Unit, Department of Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, and The Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden) The combined effect of cell phones, cordless phones, cell towers, WI-FI and wireless internet place billions of people around the world at risk for cancer, neurological disease and reproductive and developmental impairments. Reflections can significantly increase localized RF levels. Hondou et al (2006) establishes that power densities 1000 times to 2000 times higher than the power density predictions from computer modeling (that does not account properly for reflections) can be found in daily living situations. The RF hot spots can significantly increase RF exposure--even above current public safety limits. “In the case of the eyes and testes, direct relaxation of power density limits is not permitted.”(p. 30) This leaves unanswered what instantaneous peak power is permissible from smart meters. The level must be below 4000 uW/cm2. This report shows clearly that smart meters can create instantaneous peak power exposures where the face (eyes) and body (testes) are going to be in close proximity to smart meter RF pulses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] In a message dated 10/18/2011 3:23:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, asifnathe...@hotmail.com writes: From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall _mdudley@king-cart.com_ (mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing??If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary.pj
RE: CSsmart meter shielding
I wonder what effect would happen if a powerful magnet was placed near it? PT From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11
RE: CSOT - MMS
So how does one know, Renee? Just stick to the 3 drop every 2 hour method? Thanks. PT From: gaiac...@gmail.com [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 5:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS A person absolutely has to know how to use MMS, and for some people it is never any good. Humbel's continued insistence that it's perfectly safe for everyone is WRONG. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Additionally, I still have big circles under my eyes, that were not there before. I don't recommend it for anyone. That is just me though. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
Here comes mass organized midnight vandalism off whole country's smart meters. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: I wonder what effect would happen if a powerful magnet was placed near it? PT From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT - MMS
Even that can have a bad effect on certain people. These people are in the minority, but--simply pay attention to your body. If it's really reacting to MMS then don't take it--or go VERY slow, like one drop, and see what happens. There are those people that push through. Some get better--some don't. No one can say for sure how anyone is going to react. We DO know that chlorine dioxide is poisonous. And too much will make anyone throw up and have diarrhea. Humble claims this is from pathogen die-off, but the chemists say it's from chlorine poisoning. Personally, I think it is poisoning. Would I still use MMS? Yes, and I do. I'm just very careful. Any medicine, whether home made or allopathic, can be bad if taken in too large a dose. Actually, this can be said of anything. So--you just have to take it and know your body. If you are in doubt about whether your reaction is too extreme or normal, then stop taking it. Give your body a rest, then try again. I asked the chemist that uses sodium chlorite (MMS) every day. I asked him why, if it wasn't killing small amounts of pathogens and the body getting better and better--why was a person able to take more and more drops every day? His answer was pretty insightful--he said how many people hack and cough the first couple times they smoke a cigarette, but then eventually their bodies get use to it and they don't cough anymore. A body can adjust, even if something is very bad for it. We are remarkable that way. I guess the best litmus is how do you feel afterwards. Something that helps should make you feel better, and I'm not one of those that think horrid detoxes are good for the body. I think a detox should be slow and comfortable, as much as possible. So if I took MMS and it made me feel terrible, I wouldn't take it again. If I took it, and it made me feel bad, but later I felt a little better, then I'd continue taking it. It's different for each person. I've known list members that have felt like MMS was killing them, but they pushed through and said that all their illnesses fell by the wayside in a few months. I've seen others say they took it and it made them feel great immediately. The reactions spam both sides of health--it has made some people hungry, cut the appetite of others. Made some sleepy and kept some awake. Made some skin sag and others their skin cleared up and looked young. That's why I can't give one simple answer. Sorry. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- So how does one know, Renee? Just stick to the 3 drop every 2 hour method?
RE: CSOT - MMS
Thanks, Renee. You did great. I did take it unactivated for a few weeks. Just a couple of drops in water. I didn’t notice anything so I figured I didn’t need it and stopped. But now something has come up I would like to get rid of and so I will give it another go. Thanks again. PT From: gaiac...@gmail.com [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOT - MMS Even that can have a bad effect on certain people. These people are in the minority, but--simply pay attention to your body. If it's really reacting to MMS then don't take it--or go VERY slow, like one drop, and see what happens. There are those people that push through. Some get better--some don't. No one can say for sure how anyone is going to react. We DO know that chlorine dioxide is poisonous. And too much will make anyone throw up and have diarrhea. Humble claims this is from pathogen die-off, but the chemists say it's from chlorine poisoning. Personally, I think it is poisoning. Would I still use MMS? Yes, and I do. I'm just very careful. Any medicine, whether home made or allopathic, can be bad if taken in too large a dose. Actually, this can be said of anything. So--you just have to take it and know your body. If you are in doubt about whether your reaction is too extreme or normal, then stop taking it. Give your body a rest, then try again. I asked the chemist that uses sodium chlorite (MMS) every day. I asked him why, if it wasn't killing small amounts of pathogens and the body getting better and better--why was a person able to take more and more drops every day? His answer was pretty insightful--he said how many people hack and cough the first couple times they smoke a cigarette, but then eventually their bodies get use to it and they don't cough anymore. A body can adjust, even if something is very bad for it. We are remarkable that way. I guess the best litmus is how do you feel afterwards. Something that helps should make you feel better, and I'm not one of those that think horrid detoxes are good for the body. I think a detox should be slow and comfortable, as much as possible. So if I took MMS and it made me feel terrible, I wouldn't take it again. If I took it, and it made me feel bad, but later I felt a little better, then I'd continue taking it. It's different for each person. I've known list members that have felt like MMS was killing them, but they pushed through and said that all their illnesses fell by the wayside in a few months. I've seen others say they took it and it made them feel great immediately. The reactions spam both sides of health--it has made some people hungry, cut the appetite of others. Made some sleepy and kept some awake. Made some skin sag and others their skin cleared up and looked young. That's why I can't give one simple answer. Sorry. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- So how does one know, Renee? Just stick to the 3 drop every 2 hour method? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11
RE: CSsmart meter shielding
Scientific inquiry! PT -Original Message- From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 8:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Here comes mass organized midnight vandalism off whole country's smart meters. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: I wonder what effect would happen if a powerful magnet was placed near it? PT From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSOT - MMS
David and All, MMS can be a life saver... it is certainly far safer than any antibiotic and much more effective for a wider range of pathogens. Sure accidents can happen... and if someone is getting sick on one or two drops of MMS then this is a HERX reaction... something is wrong with the patient, not the medicine. I have used this for over three years for colds and a case of food poisoning... in EVERY instance it has shortened the duration of the illness to 3 days maximum, usually 2, and my food poisoning was gone in less than 18 hours, truly amazing. Bob - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS Three injuries I have heard personally, without even looking for them: -A patient went blind in one eye after getting MMS in his eye -2 patients had collapsed veins after an IV MMS treatment using unactivated MMS (sodium chlorite) ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT - MMS
It definitely does do something. IV and oral MMS have knocked out some tumors. I heard of some cases from a doc. Also a vendor told me she had quite a few anecdotes. It is not really a substance I am interested in, as I think there are more effective things that can be done with that stomach space when doing a complex cancer protocol where you are taxed on how many pills you are willing to swallow in a day. There was an informal survey done on MMS cancer patients doing it orally. The main issue is that people just have a hard time complying with the protocol due to frequent dosing and unpleasantness. That makes it a less favored option for my cancer arsenal, personally. http://www.alternative-cancer-care.com/MMS_Cancer_Study.html David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT - MMS
I was on one drop a day with the projectile vomiting, along with wonderful diarrhea. It was too much for me and I won't take it again. I tried 3 times and each time was so ill. It just isn't for me. I have found that Low Dose Naltrexone has been a miracle for me, as has the Iodine Protocol. I will take both forever. There is detox on the Iodine Protocol, but it can be managed much better than that MMS, for me at least. Glowing, Marygrace~ Original Message Subj: Date: 10/18/2011 5:14:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time From: _ptf2009@bellsouth.net_ (mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net) To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent on: So how does one know, Renee? Just stick to the 3 drop every 2 hour method? Thanks. PT From: gaiac...@gmail.com [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 5:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS A person absolutely has to know how to use MMS, and for some people it is never any good. Humbel's continued insistence that it's perfectly safe for everyone is WRONG. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Additionally, I still have big circles under my eyes, that were not there before. I don't recommend it for anyone. That is just me though. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - _www.avg.com_ (http://www.avg.com/) Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
Heck wait till the neighbors see me out there wrapping the damn thing with aluminum foil . I should probably put some on my head while I'm at it that will give em something to talk about On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
You know, a legal tactic to resist smart meters, would be to organize an everyone block it out with aluminum foil (or whatever actually works) day. Yes, they will be able to tell you blocked it out. But hey, it is on your property. And if everyone who does not like smart meters does it, PGE will be screwed having to come out and remove the foil/whatever to so many houses. Heck, it could be done everyday. David On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM, ted mozell tdba...@gmail.com wrote: Heck wait till the neighbors see me out there wrapping the damn thing with aluminum foil . I should probably put some on my head while I'm at it that will give em something to talk about On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSUrgent...where to get silver in India
There is a very high profile and very respected person in India who is becoming septic, despite antibiotics and antifungals given by IV. Where can I get colloidal silver in India to get to them ASAP? Thanks, David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
