Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda

2012-11-01 Thread Jane MacRoss
But people still swallow CS  eliminate infection?

Jane



  This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach 
acid.  This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more 
convoluted and therefore all the more moot.  

RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda

2012-11-01 Thread M.G. Devour
On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 15:00 +1100, Neville Munn wrote:

 If it's capped, which I presume means it's encapsulated, then where
 abouts in the body does that 'capping' get stripped away releasing the
 silver if it isn't stripped in the stomach?

Standard gelatin or the alternative veggie capsules dissolve in the
stomach, as I understand it. However, most of us have probably
encountered enteric coated capsules that are designed to survive the
stomach environment and dissolve in the duodenum or small intestine. 

There are enzymes and other excretions (bile, pancreatic enzymes, etc.)
that are introduced into the duodenum (the part of the GI tract just
after the stomach) that neutralize stomach acid and continue digestion.
Design your pill to be broken down by *those* excretions, but not by the
acid and enzyomes of the stomach, and you'll get targeted release. 

Presumably that's what they've done with enteric coating.

Be well,

Mike D.




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RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda

2012-11-01 Thread Neville Munn

Ah Hah.  OK, just out of interest I'll continue with this line of thought for a 
bit Mike, if you have no objections.  If a given silver product is designed to 
be released in the small intestine {and I am obviously referring to particulate 
silver here} then my assumption would be *that* is where the start of the 
'friendly flora' problems would originate, i.e. in the intestine, *that* would 
make some sense.
Dependant on the amount of silver, i.e. particulate silver, being introduced or 
released into the intestine would dictate how severe that flora would be 
affected, hence the perceived necessity for the addition of a probiotic to be 
introduced.
While it's an interesting concept, at this point in time I am unable to support 
such a concept.  On the face of it, it seems one would be trying to eradicate 
one problem only to create or encourage another?  As the silver passes through 
affecting the 'friendly flora' the probiotic follows behind replacing it.  That 
poses the question of how long after the ingestion of a given silver product 
would one need to ingest a probiotic?  Can't be immediately after as there is 
the possibility of the remnants of silver remaining affecting the probiotic, 
and if it's too long after then the preceding silver efficacy may be 
compromised, meaning the person is back to square one?
I just don't see the point or benefit when our product contains a given 
quantity of particles anyway.  I think it's 'techno-babble' personally.  Could 
be wrong, but I'd need more convincing before I'd ever entertain the idea of 
purchasing any product such as this.  Correct me if I'm wrong here but 
particles are clusters of ions are they not?  Does that mean 'their' particles 
are of a different structure or nature, i.e. powdered silver for example?
N.


 Subject: RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
 From: mdev...@gmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 07:37:24 -0400
 
 On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 15:00 +1100, Neville Munn wrote:
 
  If it's capped, which I presume means it's encapsulated, then where
  abouts in the body does that 'capping' get stripped away releasing the
  silver if it isn't stripped in the stomach?
 
 Standard gelatin or the alternative veggie capsules dissolve in the
 stomach, as I understand it. However, most of us have probably
 encountered enteric coated capsules that are designed to survive the
 stomach environment and dissolve in the duodenum or small intestine. 
 
 There are enzymes and other excretions (bile, pancreatic enzymes, etc.)
 that are introduced into the duodenum (the part of the GI tract just
 after the stomach) that neutralize stomach acid and continue digestion.
 Design your pill to be broken down by *those* excretions, but not by the
 acid and enzyomes of the stomach, and you'll get targeted release. 
 
 Presumably that's what they've done with enteric coating.
 
 Be well,
 
 Mike D.
 
 
 
 
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Re: CSToenail Fungus

2012-11-01 Thread Sandee George
My Colloidal Silver gel works for fungus why not give it a whirl - 
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Re: CSToenail Fungus

2012-11-01 Thread Marshall
Thinking out loud here.  WD40 is made up of a lubricant oil plus a 
carrier for that oil for penetration.  The oil itself is pretty thin but 
still not sufficient since they add a carrier which is DMSO.  Seems DMSO 
would be the best choice to me.


Marshall

On 10/31/2012 9:18 PM, mgperrault wrote:

On 10/31/2012 5:55 PM, Melly Bag wrote:
Tea Tree Oil should be good for fungus IF you use a carrier oil.  
From the post i read the best carrier oil to use is Jojoba Oil 
because it is very thin and can get through the nails.  I did use it 
on my very brittle cracked nails on my hands and it seems to help, 
the problem is i kept forgetting to apply regularly.

Melly



Are you sure tee tree isnt itself a carrier oil?  Why is jojoba better 
exactly?  Is clove oil a carrier oil? how about oregano?  Is Emu 
really the ultimate carrier oil?  If carrying is what we want, why not 
DMSO?  DMSO has a smell that is not attractivedoes this mean the 
body has an aversion to it?  A drop on my table melted the finish 
right off.  Seems pretty potent.
How about peanut and castor oils?  (Cayce and others)   How do we know 
we are saying something truthful, or just repeating something somebody 
else said who doesnt know either?   Anyway, I read tee tree is a low 
viscosity carrier oil that slips between the skin cells   This 
and the DIY LET lists sure have a lot of posts!  Everyone thanks 
everyone and then thanks them for thanking them, and then a dont 
mention it added on before another your so dearits difficult to 
keep up with it.


Your welcome.

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Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda

2012-11-01 Thread Marshall

What a bunch of horse hockey!

Brown researchers have discovered how that happens. The process is 
similar to developing black-and-white photographs, and it's not just the 
silver.


This has been discussed here for the last 13 years, and I published 
papers that say the same thing over a decade ago.  Maybe rediscovered, 
if they did not research it first, but discovered, hardly.


They are implying that nanosilver reacts with acids, where normal silver 
does not.  This should be pretty easy to test.


Marshall

On 10/31/2012 10:05 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:

They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm


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Re: CSToenail Fungus

2012-11-01 Thread PT Ferrance
Hi Sandee,
I checked it out but there are no ingredients listed and due to sensitivities I 
need that information.
thanks.
PT





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Subject: Re: CSToenail Fungus

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Re: CSToenail Fungus

2012-11-01 Thread Sandee George
Hi There PT - the ingredients are all natural being Colloidal Silver with a 
gelling made from wood pulp I have never had any adverse effects in all those 
who have tried the product so be guided by your own 
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Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda

2012-11-01 Thread sol

They sure do!
sol

Jane MacRoss wrote:

But people still swallow CS  eliminate infection?
 
Jane
 



This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with
stomach acid.  This makes the whole topic of ions versus
particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot.  




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CSNail Fungus

2012-11-01 Thread Melly Bag
MGP,
 
As i mentioned in my post, the jojoba oil is a very thin oil that can easily 
penetrate the nails.  This is why you dilute it 50-50.  DMSO only carries 
anything lower than 1000 daltons.
 
The tea tree oil and most other oils you mentioned are essential oils, not 
carrier oils.
 
Melly

Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda

2012-11-01 Thread Jane MacRoss

Exactly!

From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com



They sure do!
sol

Jane MacRoss wrote:

But people still swallow CS  eliminate infection?
 
Jane

This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with
stomach acid.  This makes the whole topic of ions versus
particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot.  



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Re: CSDoes CS cause Argeria --turning gray?

2012-11-01 Thread phoenix23002 tds.net
Tel rarely (if ever) toots his own horn on this site but he sells a
wonderful grade of CS.  I can vouch for it superior qualities, having
bought 'store brands' for years.  Of course, you should always make up your
own mind. But, if you want an honest product at a decent price short of
making your own,  here is Tel's website...  www.quailwoodherbal.com.
Lola H.

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:36 PM, finplan65 finpla...@yahoo.com wrote:

   *As a newbie to this health area I need some advice from those more
 knowledgeable than myself..Could someone please tell me if the two retail
 bought brands, Sovereign Silver and American Biotech (Silver Biotics) can
 be recommended as safe and effective?  Thank You*
 **

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 From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: CSDoes CS cause Argeria --turning gray?
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 3:54 PM

  NOT IF YOU HAVE GOOD COLLOIDAL SILVER, MOST OF US DO.

  HOWEVER THEIR ARE SOME WHO SKIMP ON
 THE PRICE THEY PAY FOR WHAT IS SAID TO BE PURE SILVER AND MAY NOT BE.

 BUT BE WISE ! IS A GOOD WAY TO NOT GET IN TROUBLE.
 Tel Tofflemire

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 *From:* Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Monday, October 29, 2012 7:25 PM
 *Subject:* Re: CSDoes CS cause Argeria --turning gray?

  Tart cherry juice (or capsules) is excellent for gout. Also avoid foods
 high in purines. L
  On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:

 Mail Error.  Sorry, Jim

 On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Jim Holmes 
 gooogleis...@gmail.comhttp://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gooogleis...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Hi Mark,

 Anecdotal report of CS helping Gout.  I have never seen any hard science
 on it.  FWIW; here it is.

 Jim

 On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Ode Coyote 
 odecoy...@windstream.nethttp://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=odecoy...@windstream.net
  wrote:



   What we make can..if..

 1]  You have something wrong with your metals elimination system [over
 loaded with copper + low Selenium?  ]
 2] Abnormal body chemistry
 3] you take a LOT of EIS, made very strong, for a long time.

 One person in S Africa reported turning grey after making his CS as strong
 as he could and drank 2 large coffee mugs a day  for two years.
 He said it helped with the pain of a bad case of gout and has not stopped
 his regimen.
 The silver was probably combining with the uric acid crystals,
 neutralizing them somehow and was not being eliminated.

 It is very rare that silver in any form at any amount turns people grey.
 Normal elimination rate:  98% in 48 hours
 Reported rate back in the days of no respirators etc, silver industry
 workers exposed to silver dust and smelting fumes daily...1 in 2000
  Somewhere around 5 have managed it with Home Made silver..out of how many
 hundreds of thousands in the past 30 or so years?
 Odds, slim to almost none, but possible

 Use some common sense.

 Ode


 At 08:59 PM 10/28/2012 +1100, you wrote:

 Does CS cause Argyria - turning gray?

 Well CS might, but what we produce won't.

 Everyone may have differing opinions on this one, so I'll get in with mine
 g.  What we make is (1) NOT colloidal silver {CS}, and (2) It won't cause
 Argyria because it's predominantly Ag+ ions and not neutral charged
 particles which are in higher numbers by ratio and as such won't collect in
 tissue, besides it doesn't stay in the system long enough.  What we make in
 the kitchen is a predominantly Ionic Silver Solution, and what particles
 there are, are far too small and in less quantity to cause any cosmetic
 issue.

 Of course I can't speak for Dave, or anyone else who may have consumed or
 used large quantities for an extended amount of time, but if not consumed
 in large volumes or for an extended period of time as far as I'm concerned
 it won't cause Argyria.  There has not been one case of the consumption or
 use of our product reported by the FDA or our TGA as having resulted in
 Argyria.  Every report they waffle on about refer to that product called
 'CS' or 'Colloidal Silver', and most refer to silver nitrates, silver
 acetates, solutions produced by people who are ignorant or wilfully go
 against the correct production procedure, or a product containing a form of
 stabiliser {usually higher ppm level products} and a host of other 'stuff?'
 of which is not what we produce.

 To recap: My opinion...NO, EIS {Electrolytically Isolated Silver} or a
 'predominantly Ionic Silver Solution' will not cause Argyria.

 N.

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Re: CSNail Fungus

2012-11-01 Thread mgperrault

On 11/1/2012 10:13 AM, Melly Bag wrote:

MGP,
As i mentioned in my post, the jojoba oil is a very thin oil that can 
easily penetrate the nails.  This is why you dilute it 50-50.  DMSO 
only carries anything lower than 1000 daltons.
The tea tree oil and most other oils you mentioned are essential oils, 
not carrier oils.

Melly



A quick review of some of the literature shows that jojoba can be a skin 
penetration enhancer. The stratum corneum presents the greatest skin 
barrier and some fatty acids are thought to reversibly disrupt the 
barrier function.  One study showed none of the oily penetration 
enhancers  were as effective as ethanol, although jojoba was the highest 
of the 4 or so oils studied.


How about tea tree?

tea tree contains several terpenoids of which terpinen-4-ol shows a 
favorable skin penetration.   One study starts out saying this;


Since its introduction, transdermal drug delivery has promised much but, 
in some respects has still to deliver on that initial promise, due to 
inherent limitations imposed by the percutaneous route. The greatest 
obstacle for transdermal delivery is the barrier property of the stratum 
corneum. Many approaches have been employed to breach the skin barrier, 
of which, the most widely used one is that of chemical penetration 
enhancers. Of the penetration enhancers, terpenes are arguably the most 
highly advanced and proven category and are classified as generally 
regarded as safe (GRAS) by the Food and Drug Administration


 Terpenes are included in the list of Generally Recognized As Safe 
(GRAS) substances and have low irritancy potential. Their mechanism of 
percutaneous permeation enhancement involves increasing the solubility 
of drugs in skin lipids, disruption of lipid/protein organization and/or 
extraction of skin micro constituents that are responsible for 
maintenance of barrier status. Hence, they appear to offer great promise 
for use in transdermal formulations. This article is aimed at reviewing 
the mechanisms responsible for percutaneous permeation enhancement 
activity of terpenes, which shall foster their rational use in 
transdermal formulations.


The thing about tea tree however is that it will likely evaporate before 
significant penetration occurs.  Use of an occlusion method may therefor 
increase its therapeutic action.  Perhaps jojoba or coconut would retard 
the evaporation and perhaps increase the penetration by other means.  It 
is said that jojoba is more like a wax than an oil.  An ointment made 
with bees wax might increase the occlusion and reduce evaporation rate 
even further.  Coconut has anti fungal properties and so a combination 
of coconut, bees wax, oregano and tea tree might be good.


Another study on transdermal drug delivery found that of lemon grass 
oil, eucalyptus, menthol and clove, that clove oil had the highest 
penetration enhancement.  Since clove is also antibiotic, it could be 
useful.  Perhaps clove, or any combination of clove, oregano, tea tree 
incorporated into a bees wax base with the viscosity controlled by 
coconut and or jojoba oil could make a useful ointment.   This is what I 
do and it seems effective for many skin problems although I havent tried 
it on nail infections


There are medicated nail lacquers that are said to be effective with 
minimal side effects.  One could just go with it, or try to make their 
own by using tee trea, clove, oregano and some kind of lacquer.  The 
constant exposure and diffusion of the actives is the benefit of the 
lacquer, so this could have some value


Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda

2012-11-01 Thread David AuBuchon
Ya, medicine seems to discover lots of things and never mention that
people in alternative medicine knew it for years or decades...silver as an
antibiotic...various supplements with chemotherapy...vitamin D
deficiency...gluten allergies...you name it.  The quacks rarely get the
credit.  They just become repeated quacks for the next thing they claim
that also will turn out to be accepted by everyone in 20 years, while the
average doctor may get praised for eventually using an answer that was
handed to him without any effort, yet not get any flack for not having
realized it a long time ago when he should have.

Though you have to have sympathy for the average doctor.  The average
doctor is, afterall, only average.  Though if you ask me, average people
ought to stay away from medicine.

David

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:

 **
 What a bunch of horse hockey!

 Brown researchers have discovered how that happens. The process is
 similar to developing black-and-white photographs, and it's not just the
 silver.

 This has been discussed here for the last 13 years, and I published papers
 that say the same thing over a decade ago.  Maybe rediscovered, if they did
 not research it first, but discovered, hardly.

 They are implying that nanosilver reacts with acids, where normal silver
 does not.  This should be pretty easy to test.

 Marshall


 On 10/31/2012 10:05 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:

 They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria.

 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm
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Re: CSToenail Fungus

2012-11-01 Thread Zoe W
Thank you Marshall,

Years ago I used WD-40 to ease my arthritis pain, it worked really well,but I 
never understood why. Of course in those days   DMSO meant nothing to me 
either.  You have helped solve a mysterious puzzle for me.

zoe




 From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012, 10:22
Subject: Re: CSToenail Fungus
 

Thinking out loud here.  WD40 is made up of a lubricant oil plus a carrier for 
that oil for penetration.  The oil itself is pretty thin but still not 
sufficient since they add a carrier which is DMSO.  Seems DMSO would be the 
best choice to me.

Marshall

On 10/31/2012 9:18 PM, mgperrault wrote: 
On 10/31/2012 5:55 PM, Melly Bag wrote:

Tea Tree Oil should be good for fungus IF you use a carrier oil.  From the 
post i read the best carrier oil to use is Jojoba Oil because it is very thin 
and can get through the nails.  I did use it on my very brittle cracked nails 
on my hands and it seems to help, the problem is i kept forgetting to apply 
regularly.
 
Melly 
Are you sure tee tree isnt itself a carrier oil?  Why is jojoba
  better exactly?  Is clove oil a carrier oil? how about oregano? 
  Is Emu really the ultimate carrier oil?  If carrying is what we
  want, why not DMSO?  DMSO has a smell that is not
  attractivedoes this mean the body has an aversion to it?  A
  drop on my table melted the finish right off.  Seems pretty
  potent.
How about peanut and castor oils?  (Cayce and others)   How do we
  know we are saying something truthful, or just repeating something
  somebody else said who doesnt know either?   Anyway, I read tee
  tree is a low viscosity carrier oil that slips between the skin
  cells   This and the DIY LET lists sure have a lot of
  posts!  Everyone thanks everyone and then thanks them for thanking
  them, and then a dont mention it added on before another your so
  dearits difficult to keep up with it.   

Your welcome.

no, please,.dont mention it.




 
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Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda

2012-11-01 Thread James McDonald
Capping just would reduce the amount of CS exposed to stomach acid before 
moving onward.. IS(Ionic Silver) does not bunch up to make CS(Colloidal 
Silver). CS is metallic silver particules, no ions at all! When taking CS for a 
while you would want to take a probiotic about 1 to 2 hours after the CS. There 
is no doubt that IS  CS help! I have over 20 people who directly can atest to 
this. As with everything  the dose must be approate to the application and the 
person.



 From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
 

 
Ah Hah.  OK, just out of interest I'll continue with this line of thought for a 
bit Mike, if you have no objections.  If a given silver product is designed to 
be released in the small intestine {and I am obviously referring to particulate 
silver here} then my assumption would be *that* is where the start of the 
'friendly flora' problems would originate, i.e. in the intestine, *that* would 
make some sense.

Dependant on the amount of silver, i.e. particulate silver, being introduced or 
released into the intestine would dictate how severe that flora would be 
affected, hence the perceived necessity for the addition of a probiotic to be 
introduced.

While it's an interesting concept, at this point in time I am unable to support 
such a concept.  On the face of it, it seems one would be trying to eradicate 
one problem only to create or encourage another?  As the silver passes through 
affecting the 'friendly flora' the probiotic follows behind replacing it.  That 
poses the question of how long after the ingestion of a given silver product 
would one need to ingest a probiotic?  Can't be immediately after as there is 
the possibility of the remnants of silver remaining affecting the probiotic, 
and if it's too long after then the preceding silver efficacy may be 
compromised, meaning the person is back to square one?

I just don't see the point or benefit when our product contains a given 
quantity of particles anyway.  I think it's 'techno-babble' personally.  Could 
be wrong, but I'd need more convincing before I'd ever entertain the idea of 
purchasing any product such as this.  Correct me if I'm wrong here but 
particles are clusters of ions are they not?  Does that mean 'their' particles 
are of a different structure or nature, i.e. powdered silver for example?

N.




 Subject: RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
 From: mdev...@gmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 07:37:24 -0400
 
 On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 15:00 +1100, Neville Munn wrote:
 
  If it's capped, which I presume means it's encapsulated, then where
  abouts in the body does that 'capping' get stripped away releasing the
  silver if it isn't stripped in the stomach?
 
 Standard gelatin or the alternative veggie capsules dissolve in the
 stomach, as I understand it. However, most of us have probably
 encountered enteric coated capsules that are designed to survive the
 stomach environment and dissolve in the duodenum or small intestine. 
 
 There are enzymes and other excretions (bile, pancreatic enzymes, etc.)
 that are introduced into the duodenum (the part of the GI tract just
 after the stomach) that neutralize stomach acid and continue digestion.
 Design your pill to be broken down by *those* excretions, but not by the
 acid and enzyomes of the stomach, and you'll get targeted release. 
 
 Presumably that's what they've done with enteric coating.
 
 Be well,
 
 Mike D.
 
 
 
 
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