Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[olushola camara]

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Kathy Tankersley
wrote:

> **
> AMEN to both letters, I'm beginning to just keep my mouth shut also, its
> very fustrating, especially with my grandchildren and my grown children.
> ...
>

If a person won't listen, then move on. But never let people frustrate you
to the point where you cease being an agent of good.

It takes a long time to change a person belief system, as change requires
one to take a leap of faith into uncharted waters. The only way to grow is
to challenge one's paradigms. It ain't easy.

Olushola

Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[V]

 In North America we do not pay enough attention to the whole being, body,
mind, and
spirit.  Nothing will work if you are determined to be sick. Much will work
if you believe in the treatment.
Positive mind set and spiritual health are not guarantees for good results,
but help.  There are many who
survive and many who will fail to survive with either conventional or
alternative methods.
I suppose as with most things illness and wellness are not simple
equations.



On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 12:25 PM, ASL  wrote:

> I totally agree "higherground13" - for years I was practically 10 years
> ahead with ADHD, then Fibromyalgia, then CFS and now Hashimoto's disease.
> Just last year, my mother was diagnosed with Lyme Disease and she finally
> admitted how just now after getting truly ill of how most allopathic
> doctors are ignorant or resistance to true healing methods.  I've had had
> angry friends scolding me for suggesting such silly information not proven
> by famous scientists.  Now I am slowly learning to release the need to
> educate those who won't listen. I don't pretend to know everything, but I'm
> a firm believer of alternative healing.
>
>
>
>
> Quote:
>
> *"Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature,
> music - the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures,
> beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself."*
>
> *--henry miller--*
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, V  wrote:
>
>> The sad thing is when you have read so much and are fully aware of the
>> fraud and lies, and have a much loved family member still believing that
>> doctors are gods.
>> My beloved sister is doing everything they tell her to do, so she can
>> feel she has done "everything" she could to kill the cancer. My dad got
>> sick every single year after the flu shots and continued to take them. My
>> mom is coughing her lungs out but will not do anything her doctor doesn't
>> endorse.
>> I no longer feel it is my duty to "save" everyone. If someone is
>> genuinely interested in what I am doing I will tell them. Otherwise have
>> learned to sit back and accept whatever happens. There is much information
>> if inclined to dig in. The freedom to choose, the freedom to avail
>> ourselves of all the information is what I focus on now.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 7:09 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>  In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:23:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> d...@deetroy.org writes:
>>>
>>> Hi Lois, thanks for your remedy—I actually remember my mum doing this
>>> for us when we were little.  I think people ‘knew’ things in the old days,
>>> which have been forgotten now owing to the big pharma influence.
>>>
>>>  Boy is this ever true. I'm reading a book called "Outsmart Your Cancer
>>> " by Tanya Harter Pierce, M.A,- M.F,C.C.- Has a CD with it.. I didn't know
>>> a lot of the tricks plaid on us.--Cancer Records are kept for 5 yearsIf
>>> you die a day after the five years you are listed as " cancer cured" & lots
>>> moreYikes-Lois
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[V]

lol, so true. We used to pull carrots and wipe the dirt off with bottom of
our t-shirts.
Played with all the animals before hand too. Kids that are allowed to play
with animals
and dirt are far better off.


On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Neville Munn wrote:

>  Absolutely 100% spot on, you've got my vote .
>
> I tackled a woman a couple of years ago who had a kid less than one year
> old and it already had 4 vaccines, and she was lining that kid up for a
> 5th.  I asked her if she knew that a toddler must develop it's own natural
> immunities to things as a kid and all those jabs would be doing is
> impairing or retarding the bodies natural immune development as the kid
> gets older.  Of course I was ignored and considered an idiot - the classic
> brainwashed dux of the class {opinion}.  She obviously had never considered
> the fact that the establishment has got it wrong on the odd occasion?
>
> Facts don't lie, if we were helped so much by cholesterol pills,
> vaccinations, pharma medications blah blah we should be bouncing with
> health, in fact it's the reverse, cholesterol is causing concern, more
> people are losing their minds, more people are coming down with diseases
> that are starting to make a comeback etc etc, we as a civilization are
> becoming more and more unhealthy and dependant on medications in most cases
> to keep people alive and functional.
>
> I'm the cook here and if I drop anything on the floor in food preparation
> it still goes into the pot, my wife goes ape but I ask her how the hell did
> we ever get past the Neanderthal age if they worried about dropping a leg
> of mammoth that had been char burnt on an open fire on a *dirt* floor in
> their caves?  It's become a joke on me here cos I tell the family to get a
> grip on reality, and besides, I'm helping them develop a great natural
> immunity, they should be thanking me - LOL.  Bring 'em up tough I say, no
> room for wooses in this world.
>
> N.
>
> --
> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma
> From: phoenix23...@tds.net
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
>
> One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the
> childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things
> about them (small pox/polio)  but...   Most of us enter adulthood with
> immature immune systems.  An oversimplification for sure, but one could say
> that developing cancer is a failure of the immune system.  Children used to
> play outside in the dirt, etc..  their mothers didn't haul them off to the
> doctor's office for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of
> sniffles.  Years ago, most people didn't  have access to tylenol etc. to
> lower children's temps.  Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful
> purpose.  I did say minor childhood diseases.. diseases  that are more
> disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous.
> 'They' say we, of all preceding generations, live in almost pristine,
> sterile living conditions compared to our forefathers.  Has that made us
> a healthier population?
>
> There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer
> researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to
> develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of
> antibiotics could cause cancer.  I think they got the cart before the
> horse.  The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is
> a given  if you reverse the theory.  That is...   because of a weakened or
> immature immune system or response, these people would become sick more
> often than others (requiring more antibiotic therapy)  and they would fall
> prey to cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system.  In my
> opinion, if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would
> have become extinct a long time ago.  So, between an immature immune system
> and a toxic environment, we seem to be sicker than ever.   Lola H.
>
>
>

Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[V]

Seeds. Planting seeds and leading by example are important but never
forcing opinions.
I react negatively to know-it-all, do-it-this-way advisors, who step in
uninvited.
Point to information and allow people to chose to learn or not in their own
time.
And sometimes after all is said and done, I am wrong!  (although this is
rare! lol)
I am just amazed sometimes at the lack of interest and the lack of doing
the simplest of research
for their own health, or on their children's behalf.

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:02 AM, olushola camara wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Kathy Tankersley  > wrote:
>
>> **
>> AMEN to both letters, I'm beginning to just keep my mouth shut also, its
>> very fustrating, especially with my grandchildren and my grown children.
>> ...
>>
>
> If a person won't listen, then move on. But never let people frustrate you
> to the point where you cease being an agent of good.
>
> It takes a long time to change a person belief system, as change requires
> one to take a leap of faith into uncharted waters. The only way to grow is
> to challenge one's paradigms. It ain't easy.
>
> Olushola
>

Re: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks for this Lena ­ I never thought of it like that.  I have persevered
with the O of O and the cold has abated considerably.  I am also taking CS
and nebulizing with it as well as the cold has Œgone on my chest¹ now ­ for
want of a better expression.  I have great difficulty coughing as I have a
very small lung capacity and all I get is a tightness around the chest.
This is easing now after nebulising and I am still taking the O of O.  My
son is too‹much to my amazement as it tastes so foul ­ just to avoid getting
the cold, and so far, it seems to be working.  dee



From: Lena Guyot 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:35:55 -0500
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS>Oil of Oregano and colds
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:55 -0800

Hi Dee,

On the surface, you could be right, but when you consider that most cold
symptoms are actually indications of immune response, rising to the body's
defense, the oil of oregano may have spurred a more intense immune reaction,
that has reduced the damages of the cold.

I have Lyme disease, and haven't 'had a cold' for years, but actually my
body hasn't been able to respond to cold virus, making me drag down with
general malaise and fatigue instead. All of the regular, albeit obnoxious,
'symptoms' we grouse about are actually signs of an an immune system going
into overdrive, doing what it should.

There's a lot more to this than meets the eye or the cultural perception.
Western medicine is all about suppressing 'symptoms' but not necessarily
addressing the underlying causes of real illness.

Be well,
Léna

Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I read somewhere that polio is a man-made disease that was introduced
accidentally in another vaccine‹as was AIDS.  dee



From: "phoenix23002 tds.net" 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:27:42 -0800

One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the childhood
vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things about them
(small pox/polio)  but...   Most of us enter adulthood with immature immune
systems.  An oversimplification for sure, but one could say that developing
cancer is a failure of the immune system.  Children used to play outside in
the dirt, etc..  their mothers didn't haul them off to the doctor's office
for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of sniffles.  Years
ago, most people didn't  have access to tylenol etc. to lower children's
temps.  Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful purpose.  I did say
minor childhood diseases.. diseases  that are more disruptive and
aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous.   'They' say we, of
all preceding generations, live in almost pristine, sterile living
conditions compared to our forefathers.  Has that made us a healthier
population?
 
There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer
researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to
develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of
antibiotics could cause cancer.  I think they got the cart before the
horse.  The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is a
given  if you reverse the theory.  That is...   because of a weakened or
immature immune system or response, these people would become sick more
often than others (requiring more antibiotic therapy)  and they would fall
prey to cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system.  In my
opinion, if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would have
become extinct a long time ago.  So, between an immature immune system and a
toxic environment, we seem to be sicker than ever.   Lola H.
 
 

Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Well said Neville‹as always. A Happy New Year to all on the list.  dee



From: Neville Munn 
Reply-To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:51:28 +1100
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Subject: RE: CS> OT health / Big pharma
Resent-From: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:51:27 -0800

Absolutely 100% spot on, you've got my vote .

I tackled a woman a couple of years ago who had a kid less than one year old
and it already had 4 vaccines, and she was lining that kid up for a 5th.  I
asked her if she knew that a toddler must develop it's own natural
immunities to things as a kid and all those jabs would be doing is impairing
or retarding the bodies natural immune development as the kid gets older.
Of course I was ignored and considered an idiot - the classic brainwashed
dux of the class {opinion}.  She obviously had never considered the fact
that the establishment has got it wrong on the odd occasion?

Facts don't lie, if we were helped so much by cholesterol pills,
vaccinations, pharma medications blah blah we should be bouncing with
health, in fact it's the reverse, cholesterol is causing concern, more
people are losing their minds, more people are coming down with diseases
that are starting to make a comeback etc etc, we as a civilization are
becoming more and more unhealthy and dependant on medications in most cases
to keep people alive and functional.

I'm the cook here and if I drop anything on the floor in food preparation it
still goes into the pot, my wife goes ape but I ask her how the hell did we
ever get past the Neanderthal age if they worried about dropping a leg of
mammoth that had been char burnt on an open fire on a *dirt* floor in their
caves?  It's become a joke on me here cos I tell the family to get a grip on
reality, and besides, I'm helping them develop a great natural immunity,
they should be thanking me - LOL.  Bring 'em up tough I say, no room for
wooses in this world.

N.

Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[V]

I remeber reading on Polio. Today found this and found it interesting.

http://vactruth.com/2012/06/03/7-trivia-facts-about-polio/


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

>  I read somewhere that polio is a man-made disease that was introduced
> accidentally in another vaccine—as was AIDS.  dee
>
>
> --
> *From: *"phoenix23002 tds.net" 
> *Reply-To: *"silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> *Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500
> *To: *"silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>
> *Subject: *Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma
> *Resent-From: *"silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> *Resent-Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:27:42 -0800
>
>
> One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the
> childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things
> about them (small pox/polio)  but...   Most of us enter adulthood with
> immature immune systems.  An oversimplification for sure, but one could say
> that developing cancer is a failure of the immune system.  Children used to
> play outside in the dirt, etc..  their mothers didn't haul them off to the
> doctor's office for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of
> sniffles.  Years ago, most people didn't  have access to tylenol etc. to
> lower children's temps.  Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful
> purpose.  I did say minor childhood diseases.. diseases  that are more
> disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous.
> 'They' say we, of all preceding generations, live in almost pristine,
> sterile living conditions compared to our forefathers.  Has that made us
> a healthier population?
>
> There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer
> researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to
> develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of
> antibiotics could cause cancer.  I think they got the cart before the
> horse.  The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is
> a given  if you reverse the theory.  That is...   because of a weakened or
> immature immune system or response, these people would become sick more
> often than others (requiring more antibiotic therapy)  and they would fall
> prey to cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system.  In my
> opinion, if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would
> have become extinct a long time ago.  So, between an immature immune system
> and a toxic environment, we seem to be sicker than ever.   Lola H.
>
>
>

CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I eventually 
remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as electrodes and started 
using them and have not had another burn. 


Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the graphite-vinyl 
material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been able to find it.

Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your 
correspondence 
over the time I have been on this list.
PT

Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

[Steve G]

I googled 'graphite cloth' and this is one of the links I brought up.  
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|10918|16458|309345&id=16304

Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?

Steve


--- On Sun, 12/30/12, PT Ferrance  wrote:

From: PT Ferrance 
Subject: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 9:33 AM

Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I eventually 
remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as electrodes and started 
using them and have not had another burn. 

Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the graphite-vinyl 
material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been able to find it.

Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your 
correspondence over the time I have been on this list.
PT

Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks.  It doesn't say whether or not it is conductive.  This is the problem I 
have been facing.  Do you know if graphite is by nature conductive?  Or if 
there 
is a purity level for using on humans?  I tried to find the manufacturer of the 
graphite gloves but was unable to find the gloves on the website.
PT





From: Steve G 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 10:38:06 AM
Subject: Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material


I googled 'graphite cloth' and this is one of the links I brought up.  
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|10918|16458|309345&id=16304

Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?

Steve


--- On Sun, 12/30/12, PT Ferrance  wrote:


>From: PT Ferrance 
>Subject: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 9:33 AM
>
>
>Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I eventually 
>remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as electrodes and started 
>using them and have not had another burn. 
>
>
>Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the graphite-vinyl 
>material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been able to find it.
>
>Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your 
>correspondence 
>over the time I have been on this list.
>PT
> 

Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma - 29 Dec

[Sandee George]

Thanks again Neville and once again in total agreement
Warmest regards
Sandee
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Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

[Marshall]

Check for conductive rubber (likely neoprene instead of vinyl though) 
mats, both for electronic assembly areas  as well as operating rooms.


Marshall

On 12/30/2012 9:33 AM, PT Ferrance wrote:
Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I 
eventually remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as 
electrodes and started using them and have not had another burn.


Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the 
graphite-vinyl material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been 
able to find it.


Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your 
correspondence over the time I have been on this list.

PT


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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
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Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks Marshall.  I'll do that.
PT





From: Marshall 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 2:02:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

Check for conductive rubber (likely neoprene instead of vinyl though) mats, 
both for electronic assembly areas  as well as operating rooms.

Marshall

On 12/30/2012 9:33 AM, PT Ferrance wrote: 
Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper   burns.  I 
eventually remembered I had some graphite gloves   that I used as 
electrodes and started using them and have not   had another burn. 

>
>Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the   
>graphite-vinyl material.  I have hunted the internet and have   not 
>been 
>able to find it.
>
>Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of   your 
>correspondence over the time I have been on this list.
>PT
>

 
>No virus found in this message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2637/5497 - Release Date: 12/30/12

Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

[phoenix23002 tds.net]

PT... here is a website that has all kinds of conductive and non-conductive
materials.  You might give them a call and see if any of their fabrics
might suit your needs.  Someone posted the link a few weeks back when a
discussion was going on about 'earthing' fabric sources.  Lola H.

http://lessemf.com/fabric.html

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:33 AM, PT Ferrance  wrote:

>  Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I
> eventually remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as electrodes
> and started using them and have not had another burn.
>
> Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the
> graphite-vinyl material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been able
> to find it.
>
> Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your
> correspondence over the time I have been on this list.
> PT
>

RE: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

[Simonsen, John]

lessemf.com carries many different types of conductive fabrics.

John

From: PT Ferrance [ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:47 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

Thanks.  It doesn't say whether or not it is conductive.  This is the problem I 
have been facing.  Do you know if graphite is by nature conductive?  Or if 
there is a purity level for using on humans?  I tried to find the manufacturer 
of the graphite gloves but was unable to find the gloves on the website.
PT


From: Steve G 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 10:38:06 AM
Subject: Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

I googled 'graphite cloth' and this is one of the links I brought up.  
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|10918|16458|309345&id=16304

Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?

Steve


--- On Sun, 12/30/12, PT Ferrance  wrote:

From: PT Ferrance 
Subject: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 9:33 AM

Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I eventually 
remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as electrodes and started 
using them and have not had another burn.

Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the graphite-vinyl 
material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been able to find it.

Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your 
correspondence over the time I have been on this list.
PT

Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks.  I'll give them a call after the holiday.
PT





From: phoenix23002 tds.net 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 2:48:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material


PT... here is a website that has all kinds of conductive and non-conductive 
materials.  You might give them a call and see if any of their fabrics might 
suit your needs.  Someone posted the link a few weeks back when a discussion 
was 
going on about 'earthing' fabric sources.  Lola H.
 
http://lessemf.com/fabric.html


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:33 AM, PT Ferrance  wrote:

Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I eventually 
remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as electrodes and started 
using them and have not had another burn. 

>
>Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the graphite-vinyl 
>material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been able to find it.
>
>Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your 
>correspondence 
>over the time I have been on this list.
>PT
>

Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[phoenix23002 tds.net]

V.. thanks for the link on polio vaccine.  Interesting information.  Just
confirms what a lot of us suspect.  That the gov is only interested in
killing us, not curing us.  There is a book, "Cancer - Step Outside The
Box" by Ty Bollinger, that has some fascinating stats in the back of the
book about the fact that in many areas where almost the whole susceptible
population had been vaccinated, disease rates were rising in spite of the
vaccine(s).  He covered several of the common childhood diseases.   Those
stats condemn the whole medical profession and their 'vaccine mission' in
my humble opinion.Lola H.

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:34 AM, V  wrote:

> I remeber reading on Polio. Today found this and found it interesting.
>
>  http://vactruth.com/2012/06/03/7-trivia-facts-about-polio/
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
>> I read somewhere that polio is a man-made disease that was introduced
>> accidentally in another vaccine—as was AIDS.  dee
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"phoenix23002 tds.net" 
>> *Reply-To: *"silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>> *Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500
>> *To: *"silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma
>> *Resent-From: *"silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>> *Resent-Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:27:42 -0800
>>
>>
>> One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the
>> childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things
>> about them (small pox/polio)  but...   Most of us enter adulthood with
>> immature immune systems.  An oversimplification for sure, but one could say
>> that developing cancer is a failure of the immune system.  Children used to
>> play outside in the dirt, etc..  their mothers didn't haul them off to the
>> doctor's office for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of
>> sniffles.  Years ago, most people didn't  have access to tylenol etc. to
>> lower children's temps.  Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful
>> purpose.  I did say minor childhood diseases.. diseases  that are more
>> disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous.
>> 'They' say we, of all preceding generations, live in almost pristine,
>> sterile living conditions compared to our forefathers.  Has that made us
>> a healthier population?
>>
>> There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that cancer
>> researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more likely to
>> develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot of
>> antibiotics could cause cancer.  I think they got the cart before the
>> horse.  The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is
>> a given  if you reverse the theory.  That is...   because of a weakened or
>> immature immune system or response, these people would become sick more
>> often than others (requiring more antibiotic therapy)  and they would fall
>> prey to cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system.  In my
>> opinion, if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would
>> have become extinct a long time ago.  So, between an immature immune system
>> and a toxic environment, we seem to be sicker than ever.   Lola H.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[V]

Sadly, I would have to agree. But why are there not more conscientious
people in offices that count?
I will have to take a look for that book. I would like to read more. I am
fifty this year and with two sisters
affected, guess I should be somewhat prepared for what I would do if I get
it too. Although, unless I sprout
something obvious don't plan on going on any missions to find out. Gotta
clean up my diet and get back
to exercising, but that would be in the new year, not yet! Back to the
chocolate for a day or two yet : )

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net
wrote:

> V.. thanks for the link on polio vaccine.  Interesting information.  Just
> confirms what a lot of us suspect.  That the gov is only interested in
> killing us, not curing us.  There is a book, "Cancer - Step Outside The
> Box" by Ty Bollinger, that has some fascinating stats in the back of the
> book about the fact that in many areas where almost the whole susceptible
> population had been vaccinated, disease rates were rising in spite of the
> vaccine(s).  He covered several of the common childhood diseases.   Those
> stats condemn the whole medical profession and their 'vaccine mission' in
> my humble opinion.Lola H.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:34 AM, V  wrote:
>
>> I remeber reading on Polio. Today found this and found it interesting.
>>
>>  http://vactruth.com/2012/06/03/7-trivia-facts-about-polio/
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>
>>> I read somewhere that polio is a man-made disease that was introduced
>>> accidentally in another vaccine—as was AIDS.  dee
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"phoenix23002 tds.net" 
>>> *Reply-To: *"silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>>> *Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500
>>> *To: *"silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma
>>> *Resent-From: *"silver-list@eskimo.com" 
>>> *Resent-Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:27:42 -0800
>>>
>>>
>>> One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the
>>> childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things
>>> about them (small pox/polio)  but...   Most of us enter adulthood with
>>> immature immune systems.  An oversimplification for sure, but one could say
>>> that developing cancer is a failure of the immune system.  Children used to
>>> play outside in the dirt, etc..  their mothers didn't haul them off to the
>>> doctor's office for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of
>>> sniffles.  Years ago, most people didn't  have access to tylenol etc. to
>>> lower children's temps.  Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful
>>> purpose.  I did say minor childhood diseases.. diseases  that are more
>>> disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous.
>>> 'They' say we, of all preceding generations, live in almost pristine,
>>> sterile living conditions compared to our forefathers.  Has that made us
>>> a healthier population?
>>>
>>> There was an article in the news a few years back that stated that
>>> cancer researchers discovered that people who took antibiotics were more
>>> likely to develop cancer, the implication being that somehow, taking a lot
>>> of antibiotics could cause cancer.  I think they got the cart before the
>>> horse.  The fact that more people who took antibiotics developed cancer is
>>> a given  if you reverse the theory.  That is...   because of a weakened or
>>> immature immune system or response, these people would become sick more
>>> often than others (requiring more antibiotic therapy)  and they would fall
>>> prey to cancer also because of a weakened or immature immune system.  In my
>>> opinion, if not for the immune response in human beings, the race would
>>> have become extinct a long time ago.  So, between an immature immune system
>>> and a toxic environment, we seem to be sicker than ever.   Lola H.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma

[phoenix23002 tds.net]

Hi, V...  Yes, you can probably get that book on ebay or Amazon.

Here is an excerpt from the book (pg. 356) on Polio..  "Didn't the polio
vaccine save millions?  The population of NY in 1950 was 15 million, and at
that time, there were 13 polio cases and one polio death per 100,000 pop.
Hardly an epidemic!  But based solely on the scant evidence of a polio
"epidemic," Dr. Jonas Salk convinced the federal government to innoculate
97% of the American pop. with a culture grown in dead green monkeys.  As
the Salk vaccine program expanded, cases of paralytic polio began to
increase.  In 1959, more that 5000 paralytic polio cases occurred - 50%
more than in 1958, and 100% more than in 1957.  This trend developed in
spite of 300,000,000 doses of Salk vaccine administered in the USA by the
end of 1959."  (*my comment*..  300,000,000 doses?  I find that number a
little suspect but)
" Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the
Salk vaccine was introduced, ranging from Vermont's 100% increase to
Massachusetts' astounding increase of 642%.  During the Congressional
hearings of 1962, Dr. Greenberg, (head of the Dept.  of Biostatistics for
the Univ. of No. Carolina School of Public Health) testified that not only
did the cases of polio increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations,
but that the stats were manipulated by the Public Health Service and CDC to
give the opposite impression. (*Hearings before the Committee on Interstate
and Foreign Commerce*, House of Representatives, 87th Congress, Second
Session on H. R. 10541, May, 1962, p.94)"

The writer goes on to discuss something called SV-40, a contaminate and how
that can be passed on both horizontally and vertically.   He has chapters
on  everything from GMOs to Aspertame.  I thought I was getting a book
about cancer therapies and it was nice to get the bonus information.

By the way   around my house, chocolate is considered to be one of the
main food groups..lol.. enjoy!   Lola H.
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:15 PM, V  wrote:

> Sadly, I would have to agree. But why are there not more conscientious
> people in offices that count?
> I will have to take a look for that book. I would like to read more. I am
> fifty this year and with two sisters
> affected, guess I should be somewhat prepared for what I would do if I get
> it too. Although, unless I sprout
> something obvious don't plan on going on any missions to find out. Gotta
> clean up my diet and get back
> to exercising, but that would be in the new year, not yet! Back to the
> chocolate for a day or two yet : )
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net <
> phoenix23...@tds.net> wrote:
>
>> V.. thanks for the link on polio vaccine.  Interesting information.  Just
>> confirms what a lot of us suspect.  That the gov is only interested in
>> killing us, not curing us.  There is a book, "Cancer - Step Outside The
>> Box" by Ty Bollinger, that has some fascinating stats in the back of the
>> book about the fact that in many areas where almost the whole susceptible
>> population had been vaccinated, disease rates were rising in spite of the
>> vaccine(s).  He covered several of the common childhood diseases.   Those
>> stats condemn the whole medical profession and their 'vaccine mission' in
>> my humble opinion.Lola H.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:34 AM, V  wrote:
>>
>>> I remeber reading on Polio. Today found this and found it interesting.
>>>
>>>  http://vactruth.com/2012/06/03/7-trivia-facts-about-polio/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I read somewhere that polio is a man-made disease that was introduced
 accidentally in another vaccine—as was AIDS.  dee


 --
 *From: *"phoenix23002 tds.net" 
 *Reply-To: *"silver-list@eskimo.com" 
 *Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:27:43 -0500
 *To: *"silver-list@eskimo.com" 

 *Subject: *Re: CS> OT health / Big pharma
 *Resent-From: *"silver-list@eskimo.com" 
 *Resent-Date: *Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:27:42 -0800


 One of the worst disservices that we have done to ourselves is the
 childhood vaccine programs, not that there haven't been some good things
 about them (small pox/polio)  but...   Most of us enter adulthood with
 immature immune systems.  An oversimplification for sure, but one could say
 that developing cancer is a failure of the immune system.  Children used to
 play outside in the dirt, etc..  their mothers didn't haul them off to the
 doctor's office for a magic pill every time they developed a little case of
 sniffles.  Years ago, most people didn't  have access to tylenol etc. to
 lower children's temps.  Minor childhood diseases can serve a useful
 purpose.  I did say minor childhood diseases.. diseases  that are more
 disruptive and aggravating (like chicken pox or mumps) than dangerous.
 'They' say we, of all preceding