Re: CSJuice fasts...
Sorry bob, but it makes perfect sense to me, having embarked on various vegetable only diets - and feeling like rubbish. dee From: bob Larson bobli...@att.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:59:25 -0800 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSJuice fasts... Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:56:44 -0800 ...wrong wrong wrong... I read very recently, that the whole reason for eating vegetables is to detox the liver and system. It is not to nourish, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJuice fasts... yin and yang
Hi Mike Dr Wilson has a really good website that I find myself referring to frequently. Here is his article on Yin and Yang healing Hope this helps: http://drlwilson.com/Articles/yin%20yang%20healing.htm - FROM: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com TO: silver-list@eskimo.com SENT: Wed, February 6, 2013 11:27:12 AM SUBJECT: Re: CSJuice fasts... PT wrote: I agree with much of what you wrote but I don't think the average person can discriminate between Yin Fire or Yang Fire so avoiding extremist diets should be most helpful. Moderation in everything. I'd like to explore the option of an extremist approach, at least for a start, or if it proves necessary, so I think it would be helpful to understand how to discern Yin from Yang, as you folks are discussing it. Could you explain? Point to some resources on the topic, please? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org [1] Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html [2] Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Links: -- [1] http://www.silverlist.org [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Carol Maple Springs Farm http://www.maplesprings.com http://www.maplespringsfarm.com
RE: CSJuice fasts...
Dee, Vegetables are real food used for nourishment as well as cleansing. I don't know where you read they are only for detox, but it is wrong. Veggies contain minerals, vitamins, and enzymes as well as some protein. They are a necessary part of everyone's diet. In fact the bulk of your diet should be based on plants, not animals. Bob -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSJuice fasts... Sorry bob, but it makes perfect sense to me, having embarked on various vegetable only diets - and feeling like rubbish. dee From: bob Larson bobli...@att.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:59:25 -0800 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSJuice fasts... Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:56:44 -0800 ...wrong wrong wrong... I read very recently, that the whole reason for eating vegetables is to detox the liver and system. It is not to nourish, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHello and question ABOUT CATARACTS
Not with CS, but I have heard several people having success with flax seed oil. Apparently there are several types of cataracts, the Crisco kind and the scarring kind. Maybe others as well. The Crisco kind comes from eating hydrogenated oils, such as vegetable shorting and margarine. It is deposits of hydrogenated oil in the lens. The other is from scarring, ususally from uV radiation, that is excessive exposure to the sun or sunning beds, but other possible causes are chemical burns to the eyes. The flax seed oil apparently only works for the Crisco kind. Marshall On 2/6/2013 7:57 PM, Nenah Sylver wrote: Melody wrote: But what I need to know now is :** if anyone has used CS as an eye drop to treat beginning cataract development.** I got DX with them last week ( both eye) and of course the Dr.wants to fix then for me. === Melody, I got some eye drops said to help with cataracts and many other eye problems. I had the beginning of cataracts---I could see areas of a printed page graying out on me---and bought 6 boxes, which is how many the company suggests would be needed for a course of treatment. They work! They are called Can C Eye Drops, and here's the info: Wise Choice Medicine *US Office: +1.800.861.4936* *US Fax: +1.800.861.4936 * *E-mail:*i...@wisechoicemedicine.com mailto:i...@wisechoicemedicine.com *Web Site:*http://www.wisechoicemedicine.com/ As for spraying colloidal silver into the eyes, I do it all the time when my eyes are tired or there's an infection or when I happen to scratch the cornea (which isn't to often). It's very safe and effective. I made up a mixture of colloidal silver and Willard Water (just a few drops) and put it in a spray bottle. You can get the Willard Water here: http://www.willardswater.com/information.php?information_num=4gclid=CNqcz63-orUCFYGpPAodEB8AOA http://www.willardswater.com/information.php?information_num=4gclid=CNqcz63-orUCFYGpPAodEB8AOA Make SURE to get the WW here and not elsewhere, because elsewhere they dilute it and it's no longer real WW---which is why it's cheaper elsewhere, but you won't get the results you need. I am unable to say whether or not a WW/CS mix would help with cataracts or not. But I DO know that the Can C Eye Drops DO help, and rather rapidly. So they are worth getting. I would do it immediately. All the best to you, Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD author, the NEW //Rife Handbook// (2011) //Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy//(2004) VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification www.nenahsylver.com http://www.nenahsylver.com; www.rifehandbook.com http://www.rifehandbook.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5585 - Release Date: 02/06/13
Re: CSHello and question..
That makes sense, any liquid oil will tend to dissolve the Crisco stuff. Marshall On 2/6/2013 8:02 PM, PT Ferrance wrote: I've read of people using castor oil to help relieve cataracts. Some even put a drop in each eye upon retiring. PT *From:* Rachel Hawkridge rayeh...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, February 6, 2013 6:58:47 PM *Subject:* Re: CSHello and question.. I'm with Gene. I think MSM (internally) might be great for cataract prevention, but once you have them . . . not so much. Cataract surgery is 30 min nap in outpatient surgical center. Cake. I did mine at 43. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Gene Wolfe ge...@ix.netcom.com mailto:ge...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Hi, Melody. I have tried CS and all the other things that I have read about for cataracts and finally decided that the only answer was surgery. I am 80, almost 81, and had surgery at 77. It was simple, and Medicare paid for most of it. You are not quite at Medicare age, but you may want to wait. Both my wife and I have had the surgery, and we both really like the results. The only recommendation is to find a good doctor that does lots of cataract surgerys so they know what they are doing. On 2/6/2013 4:04 PM, Melody Watts wrote: Good luck, Gene Wolfe Dallas, TX Hi All, My name is Melody ,I'm 60 yrs old and live in So Calif. I was refered over to this list by Rose from the yahoogroup blacksalveandpetswithcancer. -- *Peace . . . Rachel Hawkridge in a NE Seattle 'burb * No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5585 - Release Date: 02/06/13
Re: CSCS vs. CATARACTS
Interesting. Is there any theory as to why that helped? Maybe there was an infection in the lens, and the CS cleared it up? Marshall On 2/6/2013 8:53 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i read somebodies mssg on some yahoogroup that might've even been true. haven't seen anyone mention it during this thread yet: the guy who posted said his ancient mother was scheduled for cataract surgery in a couple weeks or so... he sprayed EIS/CS in her eyes every hour or so all the time she was awake for a couple weeks. when they went for the surgery she didn't need it - no more cataracts. i could probably find that mssg if anybody wants it bad enough. bobL From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 4:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSHello and question ABOUT CATARACTS Melody wrote: But what I need to know now is :** if anyone has used CS as an eye drop to treat beginning cataract development.** I got DX with them last week ( both eye) and of course the Dr.wants to fix then for me. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5585 - Release Date: 02/06/13
Re: CSHello and question..
Also, I think, because of the drawing detoxing effects of castor oil. PT From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, February 7, 2013 10:06:41 AM Subject: Re: CSHello and question.. That makes sense, any liquid oil will tend to dissolve the Crisco stuff. Marshall On 2/6/2013 8:02 PM, PT Ferrance wrote: I've read of people using castor oil to help relieve cataracts. Some even put a drop in each eye upon retiring. PT From: Rachel Hawkridge rayeh...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, February 6, 2013 6:58:47 PM Subject: Re: CSHello and question.. I'm with Gene. I think MSM (internally) might be great for cataract prevention, but once you have them . . . not so much. Cataract surgery is 30 min nap in outpatient surgical center. Cake. I did mine at 43. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Gene Wolfe ge...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Hi, Melody. I have tried CS and all the other things that I have read about for cataracts and finally decided that the only answer was surgery. I am 80, almost 81, and had surgery at 77. It was simple, and Medicare paid for most of it. You are not quite at Medicare age, but you may want to wait. Both my wife and I have had the surgery, and we both really like the results. The only recommendation is to find a good doctor that does lots of cataract surgerys so they know what they are doing. On 2/6/2013 4:04 PM, Melody Watts wrote: Good luck, Gene Wolfe Dallas, TX Hi All, My name is Melody ,I'm 60 yrs old and live in So Calif. I was refered over to this list by Rose from the yahoogroup blacksalveandpetswithcancer. -- Peace . . . Rachel Hawkridge in a NE Seattle 'burb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5585 - Release Date: 02/06/13
Re: CSHello and question ABOUT CATARACTS
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Re: CSJuice fasts... yin and yang
I'm not an expert of course, but much of what he says about yin and yang does not seem to be consistent with my understanding of yin and yang. It seems to be difficult to make generalities about yin and yang that don't appear contradictory at some point. Dan On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Maple Springs Farm i...@maplesprings.com wrote: Hi Mike Dr Wilson has a really good website that I find myself referring to frequently. Here is his article on Yin and Yang healing Hope this helps: http://drlwilson.com/Articles/yin%20yang%20healing.htm - FROM: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com TO: silver-list@eskimo.com SENT: Wed, February 6, 2013 11:27:12 AM SUBJECT: Re: CSJuice fasts... PT wrote: I agree with much of what you wrote but I don't think the average person can discriminate between Yin Fire or Yang Fire so avoiding extremist diets should be most helpful. Moderation in everything. I'd like to explore the option of an extremist approach, at least for a start, or if it proves necessary, so I think it would be helpful to understand how to discern Yin from Yang, as you folks are discussing it. Could you explain? Point to some resources on the topic, please? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJuice fasts... yin and yang
Dan what was your understanding/interpretation of yin and yang? I musta missed it. On 07.02.2013 12:49, Dan Nave wrote: I'm not an expert of course, but much of what he says about yin and yang does not seem to be consistent with my understanding of yin and yang. It seems to be difficult to make generalities about yin and yang that don't appear contradictory at some point. Dan On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Maple Springs Farm i...@maplesprings.com wrote: Hi Mike Dr Wilson has a really good website that I find myself referring to frequently. Here is his article on Yin and Yang healing Hope this helps: http://drlwilson.com/Articles/yin%20yang%20healing.htm - FROM: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com TO: silver-list@eskimo.com SENT: Wed, February 6, 2013 11:27:12 AM SUBJECT: Re: CSJuice fasts... PT wrote: I agree with much of what you wrote but I don't think the average person can discriminate between Yin Fire or Yang Fire so avoiding extremist diets should be most helpful. Moderation in everything. I'd like to explore the option of an extremist approach, at least for a start, or if it proves necessary, so I think it would be helpful to understand how to discern Yin from Yang, as you folks are discussing it. Could you explain? Point to some resources on the topic, please? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Carol Maple Springs Farm http://www.maplesprings.com http://www.maplespringsfarm.com
Re: CSHello and question ABOUT CATARACTS
Nenah Sylver wrote: They work! They are called Can C Eye Drops, and here’s the info: Didn't work for me, sadly. It is possible I didn't use them consistently enough long enough, but I started out faithfully following instructions, then as time went on with no improvement, I got sloppy with using them. I also tried several other things mentioned on this list--CS with MSM, CS with DMSO, coconut oil IN the eyes, flaxseed oil IN the eyes, straight DMSO (only did one eye with that, it was WAY too painful!). I believe I successfully slowed the progression of the cataracts somewhat, but they never cleared. At one point I thought there was significant improvement, but that turned out to be a misinterpretation on my part of what the optometrist told me. I forget how long I kept up my efforts, but eventually I went ahead with cataract surgery. My post surgery vision isn't perfect, I still have to wear glasses, esp for close vision. If my eyes weren't so dry, and if I didn't have so many floaters from vitreous detachments in both eyes, it would, I'm sure be much better. But I can use binoculars much better now, can see so much better for watching birds which is my main hobby. And colors! I had a rust brown sweater for years, when I got it out to wear post surgery, imagine my surprise to find out it was actually a burgundy red! sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHello and question ABOUT CATARACTS
I fought cataracts for years and flaxseed oil (linseed oil) actually helped but the cataracts came back. I finally had cataract surgery, 0 cost with Medicare, but they missed pieces of the cataracts and one covered the replacement lens. DR said I would have to live with it. I bought 6 bottles of can-C and the cataract piece moved off the new lens after two days. I still used all 6 bottles. That was 6 years ago. This year my DR said the other eye also has a piece of the old cataract they missed, but it doesn't effect my vision. I didn't know it was there. If it moves to cover the lens I will try Can-C again. Brickey In a message dated 2/7/2013 11:36:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: They work! They are called Can C Eye Drops, and here’s the info:
RE: CSJuice fasts...
...that statement is still wrong. vegetable only diets will leave one lacking for sure, but veges are for nourishment and not only for detox. best to define nourishment as used here i guess? -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSJuice fasts... Sorry bob, but it makes perfect sense to me, having embarked on various vegetable only diets - and feeling like rubbish. dee From: bob Larson bobli...@att.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:59:25 -0800 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSJuice fasts... Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:56:44 -0800 ...wrong wrong wrong... I read very recently, that the whole reason for eating vegetables is to detox the liver and system. It is not to nourish, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS vs. CATARACTS
...i dunno. silver seems to be able cause some interesting reactions in the body aside from directly killing microbes. -Original Message- From: Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS vs. CATARACTS Interesting. Is there any theory as to why that helped? Maybe there was an infection in the lens, and the CS cleared it up? Marshall On 2/6/2013 8:53 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i read somebodies mssg on some yahoogroup that might've even been true. haven't seen anyone mention it during this thread yet: the guy who posted said his ancient mother was scheduled for cataract surgery in a couple weeks or so... he sprayed EIS/CS in her eyes every hour or so all the time she was awake for a couple weeks. when they went for the surgery she didn't need it - no more cataracts. i could probably find that mssg if anybody wants it bad enough. bobL -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS vs. CATARACTS
I would definitely would like to see and read all about it, if you would, please . thanks Doreen From: bobli...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSCS vs. CATARACTS Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:22:45 -0800 ...i dunno. silver seems to be able cause some interesting reactions in the body aside from directly killing microbes. -Original Message- From: Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS vs. CATARACTS Interesting. Is there any theory as to why that helped? Maybe there was an infection in the lens, and the CS cleared it up? Marshall On 2/6/2013 8:53 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i read somebodies mssg on some yahoogroup that might've even been true. haven't seen anyone mention it during this thread yet: the guy who posted said his ancient mother was scheduled for cataract surgery in a couple weeks or so... he sprayed EIS/CS in her eyes every hour or so all the time she was awake for a couple weeks. when they went for the surgery she didn't need it - no more cataracts. i could probably find that mssg if anybody wants it bad enough. bobL -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS vs. CATARACTS
...ok, i'll try to fine it... not it, but interesting: Most recently, a routine including eye drops of CS-MSM-DMSO alternating with carnitine eye drops and taking lutein bilberry seems to have eliminated cataracts I was diagnosed with last year. I now have no cloudiness in the eye lenses at all. sol still looking...here's another: Thought I'd throw this in. I was involved in ayurvedic medicine through the TM movement years ago. Depak Chopra was their main spokesperson at the time, and was taught that medical knowledge through the TM movement. In a talk I attended, he described the traditional way of dissolving cataracts, which is dead cells in the lens??? He said in India, the therapy consists of using your own saliva, mixed with clean water and swished into the eye with an eye cup. The enzymes a person's saliva will gradually dissolve cataracts. Cheap. Cheap as spit. Couldn't be simpler. I know I'll try it if I ever have the need. Here's mud, I mean spit in yer eye... i give up for now... have to go out a bit, will look again later. From: Ron Minnick [mailto:shadowcreekf...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:03 PM To: CS site Subject: RE: CSCS vs. CATARACTS I would definitely would like to see and read all about it, if you would, please . thanks Doreen From: bobli...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSCS vs. CATARACTS Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:22:45 -0800 ...i dunno. silver seems to be able cause some interesting reactions in the body aside from directly killing microbes. -Original Message- From: Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS vs. CATARACTS Interesting. Is there any theory as to why that helped? Maybe there was an infection in the lens, and the CS cleared it up? Marshall On 2/6/2013 8:53 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i read somebodies mssg on some yahoogroup that might've even been true. haven't seen anyone mention it during this thread yet: the guy who posted said his ancient mother was scheduled for cataract surgery in a couple weeks or so... he sprayed EIS/CS in her eyes every hour or so all the time she was awake for a couple weeks. when they went for the surgery she didn't need it - no more cataracts. i could probably find that mssg if anybody wants it bad enough. bobL -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
