Re: ppm measurement techniques?
Great and creative ways to seperate the silver from water, but why not just weigh the solution? 1 litre of pure water weighs 1 Kg so anything over 1000gms is silver. Better yet! You could weigh the electrodes before and after(dried). Anybody got any ideas on how to build a scale sensitive enough to register the small amounts? Is a beam type scale practical? Just a couple thoughts. Regards...Frank M. G. Devour wrote: We could save some money and get quicker results if some of us could do our own ppm testing. Here's a couple of ideas I'd like to discuss and, hopefully, refine enough to make work. The first idea is to evaporate a quantity of CS to be tested, say 100 ml (1/10th of a liter), and weigh the residue. 100 ml of a 20 ppm CS will leave 2 milligrams of residue. To get resolution to 1 ppm would require sensitivity to 1/10th of a milligram. So, ideally, you'll need access to an analytic balance sensitive to tenths of milligrams. This is a cut above your most common lab balances which will only handle milligrams. This type will typically have the measuring pan in a glass enclosure to stop drafts from effecting it. Otherwise you'd have to evaporate a much larger sample. I see putting the CS in a bag, bottle or funnel and allowing it to drip slowly onto a piece of absorbent paper. The paper would be held with clips over a heatlamp or hot air blower to evaporate the water. If you can get hold of some IV drip fittings you'd have the ideal setup, but I assume we could kludge up something with more common materials as well. The paper would need to be weighed before and after, and the results would be the difference between the weights. Now, right off, there are problems with this method. One is taking care that body oils and dust don't contaminate the paper and cause it to weigh more than it is supposed to. You can take care to handle the paper with gloves or tweezers, and perhaps enclose everything to minimize accumulation of dust. Another problem is knowing the exact state the silver is in when you're weighing it. Is it pure silver? Silver oxide? We could try using a few drops of nitric acid to digest the silver to form silver nitrate, which is one of the few silver compounds that is readily soluble in water. Now of course, we'd have to find out how the left over acid reacted with the paper. It would be easy to do a test with just the nitric acid in distilled water, and see how much weight the paper gained, if any. If all the nitrate hangs around then we *might* just be able to subtract it out and call the balance silver. The chemistry could prove to be more complicated, however. Which brings us to the *other* possibility, which is an entirely chemical assay that uses pH or some other characteristic with reagents and an indicator to standardize and visualize the reaction and allow you to measure the silver present by quantity required. If anyone knows a chemist who could help us with that it could save us a lot of effort. So here are some ideas. If I've convinced you an in-house ppm test would be useful, I hope you'll help me get one of these ideas working, or suggest another. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Off topic (chorella)
I heard the same one. I also wondered if it was possible to do it at home. If you find out let me/us know. Regards...Frank Harvey Flatbush wrote: Hi List, Is there anyone on the list that knows how to grow their own Chlorella as mentioned by Ed Dames on the Art Bell talk show several months ago? Thanks much, Harvey Harvey Flatbush ha...@iomet.com http://www.iomet.com Ione, Washington -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Plans for stovetop distiller please?
Apparently a couple of months ago someone posted some plans or instructions for stovetop distilling. Does anyone still have a copy of these posts? I must have joined just after and Imissed them. If anyone finds them could you either repost them or email them to me please? Thanks in advance...Frank -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS and digestive bacteria
Thanks to all who contributed to this thread. Since I wrote in I have received a little more info on Yakult and there is a web site here in Oz, www.yakult.com.au. But it's under construction so I'll have to wait and see what they include as they go along. The Lactobacillus casei Shirota strain apparently survives gastric and bile acids to actually get to the small intestine. It's cultured at 37C (body temp) and fermented for 6 days (all my favorite things are fermented)and then has added citrus fruit flavours. This is slightly different to yoghurt, certainly longer in the making, and I was hoping to find someone who had made up their own. I'll give it a try myself and come back with any meaningful results if I have any. Regards...Frank -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Finally - My first attempt ! How did I do ?
To save multiple messages I've replied to a few in this one message. M. G. Devour wrote: Sounds like you got everything together just great... There was absolutely no reaction and I had to toss in about 10 ml 0.9% sodium chloride solution (irrigation sachet from pharmacy) and it roared off. I you'd have waited as much as a half hour, you'd have seen the reaction begin. It just takes longer without salt. The reaction actually was getting going, but too slowly to see. I'll try that with the next batch and see how I go Cisco wrote: Frank, Ditto.salt, if any impurity exists in the H20 will cause a undesired reaction and possibly a toxic effect.if I could in my limited abilities suggest somethingleave salt, of any type, out of your base. Cisco That seems to be the consensus. Next batch I won't be so impatient and just let it go without and see what happens. Dean Woodward wrote: I don't know why no one I have read after ever mentioned the artistic beauty of the filmy, diaphanous web of particles which comes off the cathode when things really get going. I am going to try to create some art from this. Yes, post them when you get some good ones It's not me wrote: I haven't had much success with just rubbing the CS in topically. What usually works is to saturate something with CS and leave it in contact with the infected sight for some time. Cold sores get about 10 min. and other nastier infections get overnight or several days. I would think that with Mastitis, you would want the CS in contact at least overnight. There was a recipe for gelling CS somewhere I'll chase it up and perhaps try that. As for a progress report: my wife says that although not much better (yet) it hasn't got worse. It was fluctuating between worse and better when it first started but it is now consistent at the lower end. Thanks all. Regards...Frank === -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Finally - My first attempt ! How did I do ?
Well, after lurking for ages and humming and hahing, I finally got around to making not only the generator but a first batch ! Tonight. My generator is based on Tom Miller's design, 24 VAC rectified and using 20 Ma. I have 2.5mm fine silver wire electrodes. I decided on using the same on both trodes figuring I would simply alternate which was the anode. That way I have double the electrode life without worrying about whether a different metal cathode would affect the quality of my brew. I had 6 cms (almost 2 1/2) immersed into 250 ml (8 oz) of distilled water. I haven't got around to making my own distilled water yet (not sure which way to go) so I bought some bottled stuff from the supermarket. There was absolutely no reaction and I had to toss in about 10 ml 0.9% sodium chloride solution (irrigation sachet from pharmacy) and it roared off. I used the irrigation sachet because I assumed that being pharmaceutical grade it HAD to be pure NaCl and better than table salt. So I let it brew for 10 mins. There were reasonable quantities of small bubbles coming from one electrode and there was a slight milky haze around the other with it slowly building up a whitish/creamy surface. Towards the end a milky tail was starting to drop down underneath it. The solution itself, when completed, had a slight white opaque appearance to it. I tasted it and there was a floury taste to it. Not unpleasant or bitey, just - something! The residue on the cathode was a creamy white on the outer surface to an almost grey close to the metal. It came off easily just by rubbing my fingers over the wire. My wife is uncomfortable with a bit of mastitis at the moment and I remembered reading something somewhere that it helps. But wouldn't you know it ! I couldn't remember whether you had to drink it or rub it in. So being the caring husband that I am, I wanted to make sure I helped so I insisted on both drinking and topical application. Naturally I volunteered to put it on. And folks, I'm convinced this CS stuff must work because I feel better already after putting it on for her! But I'll let you know later whether she does. So what do you think? Am I off and running or did I just get a cheap thrill? Regards...Frank -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Position of electrodes ?
Is there a minimum distance from the sides of the glass jar that the electrodes should be? And is there an optimum or recommended distance between the electrodes? How does the seperation distance have any effect on the production of CS? Thanks in advance...Frank -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Voltage Current.
Christian von Wechmar wrote: Hi there Frank and list, Another article states that the smaller the particles the lighter the colour. Clear for best/smallest, light yellow for acceptable, then onto to brown, green and gray for much bigger particles. I made some clear HVAC CS with a huge particle size (0.114 micron). My light yellow CS made with 30VDC has a particle size smaller than 0.026 micron. How did you check the particle sizes ? Is the HVAC unit commercial or did you make it yourself and what voltage does it run at? Regards..Frank -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Replacing/renewing the silver electrodes
Dean Woodward wrote: I must be missing something here. Is there something wrong with solder, or is it just inconvenient?? I guess the risk of the solder becoming immersed in the solution giving you colloidal lead and whatever else is mixed in with the solder ! Regards...Frank -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Voltage Current.
Sorry Dean, He changed it to http://www.bioelectrifier.com/silver.htm I didn't know till your message (almost straight away). Whenever a link doesn't work, always try going backward to check where it went. And I'll check that it works b4 I post :) Dean Woodward wrote: I am unable to access the Thomas Millar article cited here. It must have been removed from the Infocom server. Does anyone have a copy I can borrow?? Dean -Original Message- From: Frank Matzka [mailto:fmat...@senet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 4:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Voltage Current. I know there was a couple of articles recently about how much silver is in a CS solution based on calculations relating to current in the production process. These articles referred to current but not voltage. Can we assume that voltage is not relevant in any way to the production. (sorry for my electrical ignorance). I ask this because I've seen various devices described running from 1 X 9 volt battery, 3 X 9volt batteries, plug packs supplying 30 volts etc. The Thomas Millar article (http://www.infocom/~thomil/silver.htm) suggests that the particles are produced by mechanical action, the current knocking off small particles of silver as it passes through the solution. If so then presumably the higher the current the bigger the particles. And this is where the colour comes into it (apparently). Another article states that the smaller the particles the lighter the colour. Clear for best/smallest, light yellow for acceptable, then onto to brown, green and gray for much bigger particles. However. Thomas Millar says that the longer you take to produce a solution, the more likely you are to form chemical compounds with any of the impurities or salts in the solution. As I understand it pure distilled water is not conductive and at least a tiny amount of sodium chloride is required to allow current to pass thru it. So there will always be at least some silver chloride in with the colloidal. Apparently most silver compounds are described as being a pale yellow colour so I suppose it's hard to destinguish between optimum silver particle size and the amount of impurity in any given solution. I also presume that a larger electrode surface area would produce any given ppm concentration faster than a smaller one. eg a 1cm strip of silver would be faster than a 12 guage wire. Is this correct? And if so how can we calculate the difference? Does the conductivity of the solution change as the ppm goes up? I ask this because Bob Lee mentioned in one of his posts that his current starts low and slowly rises as it goes along. Sorry to barge in with so many questions without so much as an intro from me :) But you guys have convinced me CS is worth a go and I'll be building a generator as soon as I clear up the above. Best regards ... Frank -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Voltage Current.
I know there was a couple of articles recently about how much silver is in a CS solution based on calculations relating to current in the production process. These articles referred to current but not voltage. Can we assume that voltage is not relevant in any way to the production. (sorry for my electrical ignorance). I ask this because I've seen various devices described running from 1 X 9 volt battery, 3 X 9volt batteries, plug packs supplying 30 volts etc. The Thomas Millar article (http://www.infocom/~thomil/silver.htm) suggests that the particles are produced by mechanical action, the current knocking off small particles of silver as it passes through the solution. If so then presumably the higher the current the bigger the particles. And this is where the colour comes into it (apparently). Another article states that the smaller the particles the lighter the colour. Clear for best/smallest, light yellow for acceptable, then onto to brown, green and gray for much bigger particles. However. Thomas Millar says that the longer you take to produce a solution, the more likely you are to form chemical compounds with any of the impurities or salts in the solution. As I understand it pure distilled water is not conductive and at least a tiny amount of sodium chloride is required to allow current to pass thru it. So there will always be at least some silver chloride in with the colloidal. Apparently most silver compounds are described as being a pale yellow colour so I suppose it's hard to destinguish between optimum silver particle size and the amount of impurity in any given solution. I also presume that a larger electrode surface area would produce any given ppm concentration faster than a smaller one. eg a 1cm strip of silver would be faster than a 12 guage wire. Is this correct? And if so how can we calculate the difference? Does the conductivity of the solution change as the ppm goes up? I ask this because Bob Lee mentioned in one of his posts that his current starts low and slowly rises as it goes along. Sorry to barge in with so many questions without so much as an intro from me :) But you guys have convinced me CS is worth a go and I'll be building a generator as soon as I clear up the above. Best regards ... Frank -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
