Re: CS>Bob Berger has passed away

[Gaston]

I am very sorry to hear that. Ole Bob, is one of the experts that provided 
me with much details on EIS when I joined this list a few years ago. I and 
many members will miss him.




Goodbye Bob. May you rest in peace.



Gaston


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CS>Hydrogen peroxide

[Gaston]

If anyone is interested to read an article about someone who "claims to have 
a doctorate in naturopathy" may go to the web address below. Apparently a 
young person died that appears to be due to injection of hydrogen peroxide. 
A procedure called "photoluminescence". I know that this procedure is not 
used

on this list, but perhaps that someone is interested in reading about it.

I am thinking about mixture of hydrogen peroxide with EIS...

There is a lots of other Web pages that are mentioning this case. Just make 
search for the name of the person listed on the web page.


"GOLDEN, Colo. -- The trial of a holistic health practitioner charged in the 
death of a patient got under way Tuesday.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/6626453/detail.html "

We probably have to be very careful with hydrogen peroxide...

Gaston


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Re: CS>Purity of silver

[Gaston]

Thank you M. Devour for the clarification. I do not know what the co,
means either "commercially attainable". I will certainly not buy any silver
from them.
Gaston
=
I don't know what they mean by "commercially attainable?" We can get 
silver from scientific materials supply companies like Alpha/Aeser or 
Aldrich that go up to 5 or 6 nines, easily. It's not cheap, but silver 
is evidently not that hard to refine. Stuff like that is used in all 
kinds of scientific applications where ultra-purity is needed.



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CS>Purity of silver

[Gaston]

I found this comment from one of the silver manufacturers :
=
" http://www.handyharmancanada.com/hbpm/silver/silver.htm
The uses of silver
Silver is used for jewelry, coins and silverware. Other principal uses are 
electrical contacts, photographic processes, metal joining, silver paints 
and dental applications.


The highest purity of silver commercially attainable is 99.95% (nominally 
considered 100%), but because of its softness and susceptibility to damage, 
silver is rarely used in pure form. "


=

Would appreciate comments on "the highest purity of silver commercially 
attainable: 99.95%" ?


There must be a mistake, since we can buy 99.99% Canadian maple leaf silver 
dollar...


Doesn't Sota deal with this company ?

Thanks,

Gaston






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Re: CS>SPAM filter.

[Gaston]

Hi Marshall,

The only way that I got completely rid of spams on my PC was to get my service 
provider to change the e-mail address (my wife's e-mail address). We are using 
the same PC.  I was receiving spams only on her e-mail address. Mine has always 
been clear so far.
Even though, my service provider told me first that it would not solve the 
problem it did.  Most service provider
are reluctant to change e-mail address. I presume because of the work involved.
Anyway, I did try some important spam filtering software before ( Norton, 
Qurb). It helped, but does not get rid of spams as
such. They send spam messages in a seperate folder and then you have to manage 
them ( review them if any
important messages or delete them all, etc.).
Have not received a spam message since my new address.
Gaston
===
They do, but only get 90% of it, which still left me with over 1,000 this 
morning. 
Marshall 

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Re: CS>The Missing Link

[Gaston]

Hi Robb,

I am glad to see that you are getting improvement with the use of Gatorade
along with CS.

I see that you have started with 15 ounces CS and another 5 - 6 ounces Gatorade 
and
this was too much for you.

Have you found an acceptable ratio for you or is it too early to ask pls ?

Do you also add H2O2 ? and how many drops pls ?

My wife has tried CS, CMO, etc. but with no improvement and I would certainly 
like her to try CS with Gatorade along
with H2O2 if required.

Thanks and wish you keep improving with your health.

Best regards.

Gaston


- Original Message -
From: "Robb Allen" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 12:35 AM
Subject: CS>The Missing Link


.
>
>  I started this practice with 15 ounces of CS with another 5 or 6 ounces
> of gatorade mixed in.  This is too much~!!!.the spirochetes in my joints
> are screaming at me and this is a really BIG shock to me..I've been
> fighting this over and overpulling my hair out trying to figure out how
> and why some people are helped and some arn't.particularly with lyme
> disease.
>
.Robb
>



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Re: CS>Was: MSM high TSH-thyroid/Is: Wilson's Syndrome

[Gaston]

Thanks Nenah.

My T4 was good on the last two blood tests, when my TSH level
had a high reading.

I will go to the address that you have provided to have a better
picture of thyroid function.

Gaston
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From: "Nenah Sylver" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Was: MSM high TSH-thyroid/Is: Wilson's Syndrome


 
> In addition, it appears that in many people who are diagnosed as hypothyroid,
> the thyroid gland is actually producing enough T4. The real problem is that 
> the
> body is not successfully converting that T4 into T3. It is T3 that is absorbed
> and utilized by the tissues, not T4; so blood tests that show enough T4
> circulating throughout the bloodstream do not necessarily indicate anything
> about the person's real condition.
> 
> I strongly suggest you review http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/ to get a 
> complete
> picture of thyroid function.
> 
> Best,
> Nenah
> 
> Nenah Sylver, Ph.D.
> Products, services, and information about health
> Author, *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing*
> Order the book and read excerpts at
> http://www.nenahsylver.com/
> 
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Re: CS>CS - MSM high TSH-thyroid stimulating hormone

[Gaston]

Thank you Dean Miller for your comments.

I have seen a Doctor, this week, and he has prescribed Synthroid drug, very low
to start with.
I have not started taking it yet. I would like to confirm that MSM (Sulfur) is 
not
related to the high TSH level. There is a comment at:
http://www.bakerfamilychiropractic.com/h.php
That:
" studies have shown that sulfur drugs and antidiabetic agents inhibit iodine 
uptake, which is essential for proper
thyroid function".

Though, I have not found any other information confirming this.

I was diagnosed with Hypothyroidism (high TSH level).

Note: I have seen that reference limits have been lowered this year, it was
up to 5.0 in Canada and now it is 4.2. If i recall correctly the U.S. reference
is now down to 3.0 (upper limit).

Any additional comments would be appreciated from you or other experts in this
field...

Gaston
===
- Original Message -
From: "Dean Miller" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: CS>CS - MSM


> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:30:37 -0600, "Gaston" 
> wrote:
>
> >I have been taking yearly medical tests, and all tests have been good except 
> >for the following: The thyroid function
> >test result (Hormone Thyréotrope(French term)) showed around 4.5 for the 
> >last 4 years. However this year (a month
ago)
> >the same test showed 6.8 and the reference is between 0.27 - 4.20.
> >I have just redone this particular test last week and my doctor's office says
> >that it is now up to 10.0
> >
> >Would anyone suspect that the MSM or CS could be causing this.
> >I am stopping taking both of them today and see how it will go.
>
> Sounds like your natural intake of iodine has been reduced -- or your
> intake of chlorine and/or fluorine has increased (they will replace
> the iodine needed by your thyroid).  Sounds like you need an iodine
> supplement.
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CS>CS - MSM

[Gaston]

Anyone that would like to comments to the following would be much
appreciated:

1.- I have been taking one ounce of clear CS (estimate 10-15ppm) , for 
maintenance, every morning approx. one half hour
prior to breakfast, for a few years now without any side effect.

2.- I have been taken also MSM for a few months last year without side effect 
and I stopped.
However, this year I have restarted, taking approx 1 gram of powder
MSM (Methyl-Sulfonyl-Methane), 100% pure along with orange juice. I take this
MSM around 1030hrs (between breakfast and lunch).

I have been taking yearly medical tests, and all tests have been good except 
for the following: The thyroid function
test result (Hormone Thyréotrope(French term)) showed around 4.5 for the last 4 
years. However this year (a month ago)
the same test showed 6.8 and the reference is between 0.27 - 4.20.
I have just redone this particular test last week and my doctor's office says
that it is now up to 10.0

Would anyone suspect that the MSM or CS could be causing this.
I am stopping taking both of them today and see how it will go.

Thanking you.

Gaston




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Re: CS>Re: CS particle size

[Gaston]

Ode,

I get the point now. Thank you for the clarification.
I'll also keep your info for reference.

Gaston



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CS>Re: CS particle size

[Gaston]

Ode Coyote. , Mike Monett.

Thank you for all the useful info that you have provided.

I do understand that it will cause agglomeration if we do heat the water over 
110
degrees. I use a very low constant current. Therefore, I have no difficulty in 
getting clear CS.

However, what I understand in reading this sentence, taken from the web address 
that I had provided in my first message
on this subject:

("... The warmer the water, the faster the reaction will take place, and the 
smaller the particles will be. ")

is that, the warmer the water, the smaller the particles will be ! isn't it 
that the warmer the water (above 110
degrees) the larger the particles will be ?
This is what I wanted to find out. My understanding of "agglomeration" 
definition
may be incorrect.

Gaston













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CS>CS particle size

[Gaston]

To anyone that wishes to comment pls.

Here is a comment taken from the following web site: 
http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm

"It's In The Water
... Another variable that influences particle size is the water temperature. 
The warmer the water, the faster the
reaction will take place, and the smaller the particles will be. "
---
Is this correct: The warmer the water, the smaller the particles will be ? or 
am I
 reading this incorreclty ?

I understand that the reaction will be faster but what about particle size ?

Thank you.

Gaston



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Re: CS>Re: Can CS help knee pain COMMENT

[Gaston]

Hi Marshall,

My wife has arthritis and has been unable to reduce the pain.

Therefore, If you are willing to pass the info, I would appreciate knowing the 
protocol that you have followed with CMO
to clear your arthritis, and where was your athritis located pls ? (ei.: 
Ankles, legs, hands, etc.)

How long did it take before you started to feel better ?

It may be helpful for other people as well.

Thank you.

Gaston
==
> Yes, absolutely. I complete eliminated my arthritis with CMO a few years
> ago after hearing about it here.

> Marshall




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Re: CS>diabetes

[Gaston]

Hi Jackie,

Do you mean that it did help reduce diabetes ? Or if
it just does not cause you any problem taking CS ?

If it did help reduce diabetes, I would be interested 
knowing what type of diabetes you are referring
to (type 1 or type 11). And how high was it at the 
start and what does it read now pls after 4 years ?

Other listers maybe interested also read the results.

Thank you.

Gaston
==

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From: "Jackie" 
To: "silver" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:37 AM
Subject: CS>diabetes


Coralie I have Diabetes and I take C S every day. No problem . Been taking for 
4yrs.hope this helps you.Jackie



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Re: CS>Re: upside down question marks.............

[Gaston]

Hi Diane,

The "Ç" is used in the French language. There is a special key to use 
on keyboards to insert this character when writing in French. It
may be used in other languages as well.

It is a small sign used under the letter "C" when the next letter is an "a" or 
"o" or "u" 
to indicate that the letter "Ç" must be pronounced like an "S".

Gaston
===
 
> >ç  ?¿ ^¿^
> >
> >Oooh kewl! Thanks. What's that c thing I made?
> >
> >Diane
> >
> >Kendra Blythe wrote:
> >> 
> >> press alt and hold it down while you press 0191. keep trying, it
> >> works on any system! Don't press the numbers at the top of the keyboard,
> >> press the ones on the right where the number lock is.o¿o  :) Kendra
> >> 
> >> On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:32:20 -0600 Kit  writes:
> >> > Hi (smile),
> >> > What system do you have?   I tried it and no-can-do. Kit
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 09:06 AM 12/28/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> > >to make them you press alt then 0191 on the number pad part of the
> >> > >keyboard.
> >> > >o¿o<-- (smile)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:20:40 -0600 Kit 
> >> > writes:
> >> > >>  How the Hell do you make upside down
> >> > >> question marks??
> >> > >> Malcolm
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hi Malcolm,
> >> > >> Those come from a Spanish language keyboard.  ;-)   Kit
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >
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Re: CS>Goodbye for now

[Gaston]

I am very sorry to see you leave. Thank you for all the
guidance that you have provided me and to others on this list.
I sincerely hope that you come back soon.

Gaston

=

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Subject: CS>Goodbye for now
 
 
 Hello, and for an undetermined time, goodbye.



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Re: CS>CS & DMSO/MSM

[Gaston]

Hi Mike,

I see that you are taking some MSM. I am also taking some MSM, but I seem to 
have noticed a difference between a crystal
(flake) and powder MSM type.

The first container of MSM that I have purchased appeared to be a small crystal 
(flake) type and had increased my level
of vigor also. However, the latest containers that I purchased were in the 
powder type and do not appear to do anything.
The reason for the change in the purchase, is that I cannot obtain the crystal 
type anymore locally.

Both are 99.9% pure as written on the container. I take about 1/2 teaspoon at 
each meal.
If I remember correctly, I read that the crystal form is better that the powder 
form.

I would be interested to know if the MSM you are taking is a crystal (flake) or 
powder type pls ?

In addition, I am taking 1/2 ounce CS daily.

Any other comments from members on this list, that are using or have experience 
with MSM, would be appreciated
concerning the crystal and powder MSM type.

Thank you.

Gaston


- Original Message -
From: "M. G. Devour" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: CS>CS & DMSO/MSM


> > Mikedo you have any suggestionif one were to mix a
> > little DMSO with CS for to be taken internally.how much of
> > each?.Robb
>
> I hesitate to say anything because I read the books a month ago and
> can't remember much of what they said. So far my only experience with
> DMSO is in minute amounts internally in nose spray or nebulizer
> treatments, and modest amounts topically.
>
> I don't think it was too critical exactly how much to use. Folks took
> it in juice, if I remember right, but the general amounts, whether
> milligrams or ounces, I really can't remember, so please wait 'til
> somebody chimes in with better info.
>
> I'm concentrating right now on taking 4-6 grams per day of MSM. It's
> one thing that I've seen which does make a noticeable difference in my
> level of vigor when I'm taking it.
>
> How's your lady friend's son doing?
>
> Be well, sir!
>
> Mike D.
>
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
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Re: CS>looing for Susan

[Gaston]

It looks like it could be this one: garret...@everett.navy.mil

===
- Original Message -
From: "MARIANO DELISE" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:29 PM
Subject: CS>looing for Susan


I am trying to reach Susan Garrett.  You had a message awhile ago, and I'd love 
to "talk" off line.  Please contact me:
nancymi...@prodigy.net


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Re: CS>Re: CS-DMSO

[Gaston]

Thank you very much Mike, Jeannie re: application of CS-DMSO.
I am trying that procedure now.

Thank you Barbara Liles re: Wrapping CS-DMSO application area 
- I believe that this is what has happened to me (skin irritation) the first 
time around.
I will certainly avoid that in the future.

Gaston






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CS>Re: CS-DMSO

[Gaston]

Jeannie,

In one of your messages you wrote :

--
For external use, I use it at 50/50.  This relieves my husbands arthritis 
when applied externally to the painful joints...
--

I read the comments from James concerning the cleaning of the area prior of 
doing this.

I have applied a solution of 90% CS and 10% pure DMSO, once only, to my hip and 
the
way that I have done it:  was to soak the center of a sterile bandage in the 
solution and left
it on all night. When I removed the bandage the next morning the area was red 
and
swollen. It stayed like this for a few days before it cleared... I presume that 
this is 
not the correct way to apply the solution.  (only 10% DMSO used)

I would like to try a solution, 50% CS and 50% pure DMSO for my wife as well 
for arthritis, and would appreciate your suggestions to the following questions:

1.- How do you apply the solution  pls ?  with a spray or pour it on bandages ?
 If you spray it, it may not stay at the same place unless the person lays
 and does not move...

2.- Do you rub it on the skin with your fingers ? If so how long ?

3.- How long do you leave the solution on pls ? minutes, hours, all nite ?

4.- Do you clean the area where you put the solution after a certain period of 
time or if
 you just let it dry on ?  (if you apply the solution only for a few 
minutes...)

5.- How many times a day do you apply this solution ?

Any other info for the application of the solution would be much appreciated.

Gaston




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Re: CS>brewing ?

[Gaston]

Hi Ron,

This is what most of us on this list are using, the ionic type.

The current should not exceed 1 mA to obtain a clear CS.

I am not the expert to explain it, but pls do a search in the archive at:
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html  use the "power mode"
and you will get some 300 messages about "ionic particulate".

Use "ionic particulate" for the term to search. I think that you will find lots 
of
info in there.

I am certain that others can also provide you with much more details.

Regards,

Gaston
---


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From: "ronwilson" 
To: "CS" 
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 4:13 PM
Subject: CS>brewing ?


   > Current flow was stable once set, never varied with increase in silver.
> Seems that speed control gives constant current.
> 
> My guess is first was close, second particles much to big and last is mostly
> ions. Is the ion one of any use.
> 
> Welcome any comments.
> Ron



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CS>CS-DMSO

[Gaston]

Hi all,

I was planning to use CS with DMSO externally for my wife due to pain with her 
legs,
caused by severe arthritis, but I found the following two articles in the 
respectives web adresses
as shown below and I am a bit reluctant to do so.

I would appreciate any comments that experts may have on this regarding
vision problems pls.

Thanks

Gaston


http://www.camprehoboth.com/issue09-22-00/fitness.htm

Did you know that two of the biggest sellers in the pet and feed stores are 
DMSO and MSM? Some people promote them as
remedies for arthritis. MSM has yet to be tested in humans, and DMSO is thought 
to contribute to vision problems.
Neither one is approved for regular medical use in humans.
-
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy.htm#DMSO

The FDA outlaws DMSO for two reasons: the first being that it is a solvent, and 
they do not know how to handle a
substance that can be both a medicine and something you use to clean engine 
parts; the second reason , according the
book DMSO-Nature's Healer by Dr Morton Walker, animal studies showed that 
injections of DMSO caused dogs to go blind.
The FDA jumped on this and stopped its use. Later it was discovered that only 
in dogs does it cause blindness, but like
the ban on L-tryptophan, once it's there, heaven and earth will have to be 
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Re: CS>HEALLIX

[Gaston]

Thank you Marshall. This is how I understood that paragraph about the "Silver 
test". 

I presume that, this is why we can hardly see T.E. when producing CS with LVDC. 

Gaston

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: CS>HEALLIX


> This is true if the silver is either a colloid or ionic, the colloid will 
> show the tyndall
> effect the ionic will not.  Of course an unscrupulous vendor could add some 
> colloid of
> something else to silver nitrate and get the same effect.  For instance, a 
> small amount of
> milk in a glass of water will add sufficient colloid to cause it.  See
> http://silver-lightning.com/tyndall/ for some pictures and information on 
> this.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Gaston wrote:
> 
> > Connie has sent a copy of data taken from that above WEB site and one of 
> > the following
> > items is:
> >
> > "SILVER TEST
> >
> > A common test for determination of the presence of colloidal silver is to
> > pass the beam of a laser light through a clear bottle containing the
> > solution. If colloidal silver is present there will be a solid beam of
> > light reflected from the suspended particles. You will be able to see a
> > beam of light. Solutions containing only ionized silver will not display
> > this phenomenon since there are no un-dissolved particles of silver present
> > to reflect that light. With solution containing only ionized silver there
> > is no beam of light. "
> >
> > I know that Jason and Marshal made comments on these items and Jason,
> > I beleive,  said: "None of these things are true"
> >
> > Does that mean that the "Silver test" description above is incorrect pls ?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Gaston
> >
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Re: CS>HEALLIX

[Gaston]

Connie has sent a copy of data taken from that above WEB site and one of the 
following
items is:

"SILVER TEST 

A common test for determination of the presence of colloidal silver is to
pass the beam of a laser light through a clear bottle containing the
solution. If colloidal silver is present there will be a solid beam of
light reflected from the suspended particles. You will be able to see a
beam of light. Solutions containing only ionized silver will not display
this phenomenon since there are no un-dissolved particles of silver present
to reflect that light. With solution containing only ionized silver there
is no beam of light. "


I know that Jason and Marshal made comments on these items and Jason,
I beleive,  said: "None of these things are true"

Does that mean that the "Silver test" description above is incorrect pls ?

Thanks

Gaston









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Re: CS>Filtering thoughts...

[Gaston]

Hi Jeannie,

I am not the expert to answer your question, however, I said what
I was doing and I do prefer cleaned equipment prior of producing my
CS. My feeling is that if the equipment is not clean, that it might add 
contamination to the distilled water.
You may wish to check your DW with a small laser pen. Good distilled water
will not have sparkles. But if the equipment is contaminated you might see
lots of sparkle in the distilled water after you poured it in a container that 
has
not been cleaned.

Like I said other experts on the subject may wish to add their comments.

You may wish to check the archive as well. You may find messages referring
to this subject,

Gaston

Here is a copy of a message extracted from the archive, Ken, (I hope Ken won't 
mind)
is referring to the "grey fuzzy" on one electrode. If you have the time to read 
it, you 
may find it interesting. 
--
"From: Ode Coyote (view other messages by this author) 
 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 07:49:58 



  Too vigerous stirring promotes the growth of the "grey fuzzies" on one
electrode.
 The pressures of the water on that electrode prevents hydrogen bubble from
growing large enough for their bouyancy to overcome their adhesion to the
electrode and silver becomes trapped on the surface tension of the hydrogen
bubbles via 'high speed' collosion.  This forms a semi solid 'foamy'
structure that grows in the direction of the water current and may
sometimes fall off the electrode in a cylindrical chunk and sink to the
bottom. [if using round wire for electrodes]
 The semi solid formation also prevents the hydrogen bubbles from growing,
so new small bubbles form on top of the previous ones and you get thicker
and thicker "grey fuzzy" deposits.
 The grey fuzzies are also semi insulative. If your generator has a voltage
referencing circuit to indicate PPM [via ionic conductivity] or as a means
of an automatic shut down, a thick build up will throw it out of calibration.

Running the stirrer at a slower speed [or shortening the stirrer] greatly
reduces the incidence of the "grey fuzzies" The water should be visibly
moving but not like a tornado.
 
If the generator is allowed to just sit with power off, the grey fuzzies
will emit an "ion cloud" [misnomer in common usage] that's identical to the
original cloud that formed them...as the hydrogen bubbles slowly dissipate,
releasing trapped silver particles.

 Oddly, if the electrodes are well pitted and used, both formation of the
grey fuzzies and silver oxides ["black stuff"...to be completely scientific
about it] are reduced.

 The bubbler method of stirring might actually be superior to the
mechanical stirrer where deposits are concerned because upward motion of
the bubbles might tend to wipe the electrodes clean of hydrogen bubbles
with bubble to bubble collisions...but not having tried it, I don't know
for sure.
 What all that added dissolved oxygen does to the CS, I also don't know. I
would think that it would combine with ionic silver and make a black
deposit on the bottom of the container, blacken the CS or possibly lead to
various colored crystal formation.

 It is my belief [not proven] that oxygen plays some role in the formation
of larger crystals. In fact, the addition of hydrogen peroxide to distilled
water and used as a 'starter' has produced very large , very silvery, metal
flakes [just like what you'd find in metal flake paint]
...and...adding a small amount of hydrogen peroxide will clear the color of
colored CS.
 I believe that o3 and H2O2 have scavenging properties that interact with
the oxygen in CS crystals [if the crystal does indeed have any oxygen in
its matrix] and oxide deposits in some way.

 H2O2 will clean and shine a black electrode at first [very quickly]...then
blacken it again later on. [weird!]

 Just exactly what does a CS crystal matrix consist of?

[BTW, not saying that oxygen content..if there IS an oxygen componant..of a
CS crystal/particle... is responsible for the color of the
crystal/particle...just that it might have something to do with its size]

 What do charged silver ions 'grow' around to form a colloidal particle
[crystal?] if the like charge is constantly repelling other like ions?
[real question...not a statement]
Taking into account orientation of some ions with oxygen atoms in water
molecules. [hydration?].  What happens when ion concentration exceeds the
water molecules available ? [well sure, particle precipitation...but what
about that repulsive ion charge? Where does it go?]

Could several AG+ ions share electrons with one O2 molecule or one oxygen
atom resulting an 'over' charged particle?



 Would it even be possible to make colored CS with absolutely dissolved
oxygen free wate

Re: CS>Filtering thoughts...

[Gaston]

Good approach Jack.

Gaston

=
- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Dayton" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Filtering thoughts...


> 
> 
> > From: "Gaston" 
> 
> > Subject: Re: CS>Filtering thoughts...
> > 
> > One of the other factor(s) that does not seem to be emphasized enough is
> > to keep all CS containers and equipment very clean. I use distilled water to
> > rinse them several times prior to use. This is most important, otherwise CS
> can be  contaminated.
> 
> Hi Gaston,
> 
> I take a different approach about cleaning the container that I make
> my CS in.   Having selected the container that I will be using, I clean
> it very carefully, then rinse thoroughly with DW twice, when a batch
> is completed it is decanted into the containers I will draw from, and I do
> not have to worry about having to clean it each time I produce a batch,
> because no contamination can occur with my production container,
> since it has a seal able lid.
> 
> OK listers, what is wrong with my method?
> 
> PS I don't produce gray fuzzies that might fall from the cathode into
> the container.
> 
> Jack
> 
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Re: CS>Filtering thoughts...

[Gaston]

Hi John,

I agree with Ken that stirring does help.

I did use stirring with a small motor for a while. However, since I have
tried a bubbler, which I still do use, I prefer the bubbler instead of the 
small motor 
and my CS seems to be better. However, I have to get me CS retested 
to ensure that this is correct.

One of the other important item is to keep a low current (controlled
current). I try to never exceed 1mA. I feel that it does help to produce
a clear CS. I have used higher current before and I suspect that one of the
factors that also caused the CS to turn slightly yellow was this high current.

One of the other factor that does not seem to be emphasized enough is
to keep all CS containers and equipment very clean. I use distilled water to 
rinse them
several times prior to use. This is mostly important, otherwise CS can be 
contaminated.

Gaston

- Original Message - 
From: "John Reeder" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 2:06 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Filtering thoughts...


> Is the secret in the stirring?
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Gaston [mailto:obouc...@colba.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 11:04 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Filtering thoughts...
> 
> 
> Hi Linda,
> 
> Not necessarily. Some people have suggested something like this before,
> however,
> some of the experts suggested that this is not necessary.
> 
> I have used dark brown hydrogen peroxide containers (well cleaned) to store
> some of
> my first CS batches, but some of them still turned yellow after a while. I
> figured
> that my CS was not what it should have been. I have refined (stirrer,
> spacing of
> electrodes, etc.) my procedure since then with advice from the experts on
> this list.
> 
> Therefore, I am doing what some people have suggested: I am using
> one liter clear plastic coke or seven-up, bottle to store all my CS
> and none of them have turned yellow so far.
> 
> My last two CS batches are from February 2002 and still clear as they were
> when I made them.
> 
> Gaston
> 
> ---
> - Original Message -
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Filtering thoughts...
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > But aren't you supposed to get it into a dark glass ASAP?
> >
> > Linda
> >
> 
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Re: CS>Filtering thoughts...

[Gaston]

Hi Linda,

Not necessarily. Some people have suggested something like this before, however,
some of the experts suggested that this is not necessary.

I have used dark brown hydrogen peroxide containers (well cleaned) to store 
some of
my first CS batches, but some of them still turned yellow after a while. I 
figured
that my CS was not what it should have been. I have refined (stirrer, spacing 
of 
electrodes, etc.) my procedure since then with advice from the experts on this 
list.

Therefore, I am doing what some people have suggested: I am using
one liter clear plastic coke or seven-up, bottle to store all my CS 
and none of them have turned yellow so far. 

My last two CS batches are from February 2002 and still clear as they were 
when I made them.

Gaston
---
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Filtering thoughts...


> Hi,
> 
> But aren't you supposed to get it into a dark glass ASAP?
> 
> Linda
> 


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Re: CS>Filtering thoughts...

[Gaston]

Hi Mike,

Here is a previous reply found in the archive for that subject from Steve:
--
> Hilary,
>
> Don't bother filtering.  Just let your brew settle for an hour or so, then
> carefully pour the liquid off and leave the sludge stuff on the bottom.
> This is called decanting.
> --Steve
-

This is what I do as well. I have tried coffe filters, but it did a very poor 
job.
It normally adds contaminants to the CS (worst after filtering than before).
I presume, that I did not use the appropriate filters.

But after making your CS let the CS sit for a minimum of 2 days (more if you 
are not in a hurry), 
then if it is clear of particles (viewing with a small laser pen) just syphon 
it 
into a different container (container that has been cleaned many times with 
good distilled water. Pls ensure all equipment used is very clean) 
and then the result should be a pretty clean CS.

Gaston

Note: If you can pls do a search in the CS archive under -filtering- and you 
should 
 see at least around 300 messages on this subject...

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:21 AM
Subject: CS>Filtering thoughts...


> Heya,
> 
> Just wondering what everybody thinks about filtering the CS after its made?  
> I've heard some say its a definite...   some say its not needed...   some say 
> that coffee filters leach chemicals into the final product...  any 
> thoughts???  White (bleached) coffee filters...  brown (unbleached) coffee 
> filters...  is one better than the other?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Mike
> 


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Re: CS>Anode material

[Gaston]

Thanks Marshall and Dean.

Marshall if you do conduct any experiments on stainless steel being used
as a cathode, I would be very interested in getting results of your 
experiment and I am certain that other CS listers would be interested as well.

Regards.

Gaston
===
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Anode material


> Gaston wrote:
> 
> > Hi Marshall,
> >
> > Are saying that we should not be using stainless steel for
> > the cathode ?
> >
> > If I recall correctly, many CS users have suggested while back that it was
> > ok to use stainless steel for the cathode...
> >
> > Can anyone, that have produced CS using stainless steel for the cathode,
> > comments on the content of CS if you had it tested by experts ?
> >
> > BTW, i am using stainless steel for the cathode and I thought that it was
> > safe to do this.
> >
> > Thank you for any comments you may have on this subject.
> 
> It has been recommended I know.
> 
> I however have strong reservations in doing so.  Until I see some experiments
> that prove that none of the metals react with the
> OH radical and monoatomic hydrogen, I will have these reservations.
> 
> I will try and experiment if I can find some stainless steel to use as an
> electrode.  I will use a gold anode so that it will not contribute to any ions
> in the water.
> 
> Marshall
> 
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Re: CS>Anode material

[Gaston]

Hi Marshall,

Are saying that we should not be using stainless steel for
the cathode ?

If I recall correctly, many CS users have suggested while back that it was
ok to use stainless steel for the cathode...

Can anyone, that have produced CS using stainless steel for the cathode,
comments on the content of CS if you had it tested by experts ?

BTW, i am using stainless steel for the cathode and I thought that it was
safe to do this.

Thank you for any comments you may have on this subject.

Gaston
===


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Anode material

Stainless steels typically contain:
> 
> iron, phosphorus, carbon, sulfur silicon chromium nickel, and some contain
> molybdenum, zirconium, selenium, aluminum, tantalum, and nitrogen.




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Re: CS>TDS-1 versus PWT for measuring PPM

[Gaston Boucher]

Hi Richard,

I am not an expert on this item, however, whenever, I did use my TDS-1 to 
measure
my CS, and I found out that it did change the conductivity reading if I poured 
that CS
back in the main CS container. If you do not want your CS to change, your PWT or
TDS-1 would have to be cleaned with distilled water many times prior to testing
your CS.

Therefore, I never check my CS with my TDS-1 in the main CS container. What I am
doing now is that I always pour a small amount of CS in a smaller container
(Some pill containers from drug stores are perfect, TDS-1 fits perfectly in
some of these pill containers). Make sure that they are rinse many times with 
Distilled
water prior to using them. Once you have performed your measurement, just 
destroy
he CS that you have used for testing (only a few ounces). I never pour it back 
in the main container.

In this manner, I succeeded in keeping the same conductivity of my CS very 
stable for
many months.

You may wish to try that and may find that the CS reading will be much more 
stable.

I presume that this would apply to any type of CS testing.

Best regards,

Gaston

===
- Original Message -
From: "Richard Sobe" 
To: "silverlist" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: CS>TDS-1 versus PWT for measuring PPM




Does it matter if you insert the PWT meter right into the CS that you 
eventually will end up drinking or is it better to
pour some off into another container and use that for the PWT measurement? The 
PWT is a conductivity meter, right? So
that means that it sends a small electrical current into the water to see how 
well it travels through the water? Will
that cause any kind of reaction with the CS or is it negligible?

Richard Sobe



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Re: CS>pure distilled water

[Gaston Boucher]

Brand = Life, at the Pharmaprix drug stores in the Montreal area.

Gaston


==
- Original Message - 
From: "sylvie hargraft" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:30 PM
Subject: CS>pure distilled water


> 
> 
> If there are any canadians on the list, I would like to know what brand of 
> distilled water you are using to make your cs, as well as where you get it.
> Sylvie
> 
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Re: CS>Comment on Brooks' post on silver resistant bacteria

[Gaston Boucher]

Hi Brooks, James, Marshall. Ivan, etc.,

I was not asking for an explanation. I know that this would be way too
much and is probably not the place here.

All I wanted to know is to make certain that Mr. Brooks Bradley's comments
were not related to the CS that we are producing and I presume that it
has nothing to do with it. As you probably know now, I am not a chemist and
lots of info that is on this list is over my head. It would be impossible to
learn this on this list.

Therefore, pls do not bother in providing whatever information you were 
suggesting
to these gentlemen to provide.

Sorry if I confused anyone.

Regards to all

Gaston
=

 
- Original Message - 
From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Comment on Brooks' post on silver resistant bacteria


> Thank you Brooks,
> 
> Regarding:
> 
> "I will leave to you, Marshall, Ivan, Frank, etc., the pleasure
> of explaining to Gaston.the difference between  argyria in humans and
> the
> sequestration process of silver/silver compounds in one-celled organisms."
> 
> Don't hold your breath for my explanation; I will probably take more
> microbiology courses next incarnation.
> 
> James-Osbourne: Holmes
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:liat...@flash.net]
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:53 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Comment on Brooks' post on silver resistant bacteria
> 
> 
> Hello James,
> I was quite confident you, Marshall, Ivan, et
> al...would, probably, raise this issue.  Stutzeri is not the "silver
> tolerant" bacteria I referred to in my posts of last year (nor do I believe
> it
> to be the one Dr. Flick refers to) and earlier.that bacteria
> displayed
> the interesting characteristic of losing its tolerance for silver after
> being
> cultured for 9 or 10 genertions in a "silver free" environment--I am
> unaware of any, existing, evaluations addressing the response of stutzeri,
> to a
> similar test.
> I will leave to you, Marshall, Ivan, Frank, etc., the
> pleasure
> of explaining to Gaston.the difference between  argyria in humans and
> the
> sequestration process of silver/silver compounds in one-celled organisms.
> Sincerely,  Brooks
> p.s. I have forgotten the name of the other bacteria.but if it becomes
> an
> issue I will have someone supply it to me.
> 
> "James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Dr Bart A. Flick spoke of a silver-resistant bacteria found in
> > silver-bearing soil. He said that when they cultured the bacteria for a
> few
> > generations, it lost it's resistance.
> >
> > I have not looked at the link in Brook's post.
> >
> > James-Osbourne: Holmes
> >
> >   
> >   Name: winmail.dat
> >winmail.datType: application/ms-tnef
> >   Encoding: base64
> 
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Re: CS>Bacteria with a silver lining

[Gaston Boucher]

Hi List,

Interesting article. I am not certain that I understood the whole
article, but could someone confirm that this does not apply to CS that we are
making or that this does not refer to Argyria, to clarify any misunderstanding  
that
might come up pls ?

Thank you.

Gaston



- Original Message - 
From: "M. G. Devour" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:29 PM
Subject: CS>Bacteria with a silver lining


> >From Brooks Bradley...
> 
> --- Forwarded Message Follows ---
> Date:  Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:33:29 -0700
> Subject:   BBC News | SCI/TECH | Bacteria with a silver lining
> 
> As I am using a computer at one of my son's houses, I do not know if
> this post will come through.  If not, maybe Mike will see it and relay
> it on to the list. 
> 
> Earlier this week, while reading in John Emsley's fascinating book (on
> the elements in the Periodic Table) entitled, "Natures' Building
> Blocks", I came across his reference to the discovery/isolation of the
> bacteria. pseudomonas stutzeri.  Later, I conducted some web
> investigations and one of the very interesting posts is included here.
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_533000/533416.stm
> 
> While I was aware of how this bacteria was, originally, discovered in
> a Canadian silver mineand also, how it was able to sequester
> metallic silver in such a unique manner.using a cell-wall isolation
> technique.I was totally unaware of some of the other capabilities
> of this "silver-tolerant" bacteria. I hope list members find this of
> interest.
> 
>  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
> 
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Re: CS>Testers

[Gaston]

Hi Arnold,

You wrote:

" >  Try to get a quality laser pointer, not the key chain type.  The class
> IIIa 5mW units are best.  They are available on ebay constantly at
> reasonable prices."

I would be interested to know the difference(s) between a quality laser pointer
and a key chain type pls other than the price.

I understand that the key chain type uses in general a wavelength 
of 630-680nM and its max. output power is < 5mW.

I do use the key chain type and appears to work ok for me.
 if I remember correctly advices on this list was that,  this was ok to use.

Comments would be appreciated.

Gaston



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CS>airbrush - air compressor

[Gaston]

I have read that an air pump may cause contamination to the distilled water 
when making CS. (others have commented that it is not the case). And I
tend to agree with these comments.

However, others have suggested using a small air compressor along with an 
airbrush,
and I have never heard anybody commenting that CS could be contaminated, by the 
air,
during this process...

Comments would be appreciated pls ?

Gaston




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Re: CS>questions: stir vs. bubble

[Gaston]

Ivan, "Ole Bob" and others,

Thanks for your reply.

I just have completed a DW (distilled water) test this afternoon using a 
bubbler only.
I used approx. 16 oz. of DW and I set it up exactly as normal except
no power applied during that period. (I did not apply the 30V dc that I 
normally use).

I do not use a stone to distribute the air. I have tried a couple of them 
fefore and it did not
work well. Instead, I use a plastic tubing with one of the ends 
blocked and I connect the small "jet stream 600" motor output at the other end
of the tubing. Only three small needle holes (to distribute the air) used on 
the tubing that fits
between the two electrodes (at the bottom end of the container).

I ran the bubbler for two hours with a reading of u/S taken every 15 minutes.
My DW at the start was 1.9 and it finished at 3.9 u/S. It went up
from 1.7 to 2.6 in the first 15 minutes...

At the end of the first 1/2 hour it was 3.2 and stayed around there till the 
end with
a 3.9.

I suspect that my container was not 100% clean at the beginning and it
might be the reason why it went up that high during the first half hour.

On the overall, it does not appear to change that much, unless the effect
is different when the voltage is applied, but I do not beleive that it
would be worst.

Gaston
-
- Original Message - 
From: "I Anderson" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 3:03 AM
Subject: RE: CS>questions: stir vs. bubble


> Gaston,
> 
> I tried bubbling with first with air and then argon. I found in using
> air that I was seeing a definite Tyndall Beam (TE for Alison) with
> many sparkles, which is not acceptable in my product. Argon was
> better, but too expensive, so I only use that as a pressure source for
> my filter (0.2um so that I can claim filter sterilisation). I find a
> slow mechanical or thermal stirring to result in a perfectly clear
> product with no TE. The selection of a very small current density is
> the secret of fine CS, and my small commercial generators use this to
> good effect, generating 15ppm in 500mls in about 2.5 hrs with no
> stirring required (however I do recommend stirring by hand two or
> three times during the run).
> 
> But to be honest, I have not compared the actual silver concentration
> vs. conductivity of bubbled and stirred CS, which is why I only
> suggested an increase in conductivity due to CO2 inclusion, which
> never the less I believe to highly likely.
> 
> Regards
> Ivan.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gaston [mailto:obouc...@colba.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2002 2:33 a.m.
> > To: *Silver-List* (E-mail)
> > Subject: Re: CS>questions: stir vs. bubble
> >
> >
> > Hi "Ole Bob"
> >
> > I see the reply from Ivan about CS that will probably read
> > higher when using a bubbler instead a stirrer.
> >
> > Have you had a chance of comparing the two to prove that pls ?
> >
> > I presume that Ivan has done so.
> >
> > Gaston
> >
> > =
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "I Anderson" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:46 AM
> > Subject: RE: CS>questions: stir vs. bubble
> >
> >
> > > Connie,
> > >
> > > A couple of thoughts come to mind:
> > >
> > > The stirrer does not mix too well.
> > > You are trying for too high a concentration.
> > > The bubbler introduces CO2 gas to the water, which will ionise and
> > > give a false (high) reading.
> > >
> > > If you are finding a change in the CS when exposed to light
> > then it is
> > > possibly due to the quality of your water.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Ivan.
> 
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Re: CS>questions: stir vs. bubble

[Gaston]

Hi "Ole Bob"

I see the reply from Ivan about CS that will probably read
higher when using a bubbler instead a stirrer.

Have you had a chance of comparing the two to prove that pls ?

I presume that Ivan has done so.

Gaston

=
- Original Message - 
From: "I Anderson" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:46 AM
Subject: RE: CS>questions: stir vs. bubble


> Connie,
> 
> A couple of thoughts come to mind:
> 
> The stirrer does not mix too well.
> You are trying for too high a concentration.
> The bubbler introduces CO2 gas to the water, which will ionise and
> give a false (high) reading.
> 
> If you are finding a change in the CS when exposed to light then it is
> possibly due to the quality of your water.
> 
> Regards
> Ivan.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Connie [mailto:wufn...@stargate.net]
> > Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 11:48 a.m.
> > To: silver- list
> > Subject: CS>questions: stir vs. bubble
> >
> >
> >
> > I have the SG6-very happy with my generator.
> > I have done some experiementing with the way I make my CS.
> >
> > I would like to compare my brew with stirring vs. bubbling and
> please
> > comments as too the differences.
> >
> > I use a 64 fl. oz. coffee creamer container to make my CS.
> >
> > Some days...using the stirit seems to take longer. Not
> > observant enough
> > to say why one day is different vs. another.
> >
> > Here are the comparisons of the last two batches made:
> >
> > --First brew:
> > Stirred batch.
> > Seeded, ppm per Hanna PWT 4ppm.
> > I cleaned electrodes (with heavy build up) 3 x's during the brew.
> >
> > After 36 hours of generation...the ppm per Hanna was about
> > 18ppm. Indicator
> > light, indicating that the brew had not reached 20pppm (as
> > dialed) was still
> > on.
> > My stirred CS ALWAYS reads a lower number the next day, when
> > retested. Often
> > I will turn the generator back on, let it run again until the
> > indicator
> > light goes off.
> >
> > Allowed the brew to sit overnight. A lot of precipitate in
> > the container.
> > Did not bother to retest the ppm. ( I expected it to be lower
> > than what
> > measured the night before)
> > I gave up on that brew...used it in the bathwater
> >
> > --Second brew:
> > Bubbled batch-stirrer removed.
> >
> > Seeded DW ppm at start 4ppm.
> > 10 hrs. later: indicator light off.
> > I did not clean the electrodes at all.
> > I shut down the generator.
> > Did not test the ppm.
> > left til this AM, testing ppm with Hanna, the ppm is 26ppm.
> > (set at 20ppm)
> >
> > Some, but little precipitateelectrodes with little build up.
> >
> >
> > My observed main points
> >
> > -bubbled CS consistently more stable after brew sits (ppm's
> > do not fall from
> > one day to the next)
> > -bubbled CS consistently has less build up on the electrodes, less
> > precipitate in the container.
> > -bubbled CS consistently able to achieve higher ppm (per Hanna)
> > -occassionally will get pale yellow CS with stir, never with bubbled
> > -consistently stirred CS will turn ashen with even minimal exposure
> to
> > light, bubbled does not seem to (I have not specifically
> > ''tested'' this.)
> > -brew time for higher ppm's consistenly quicker with bubbler.
> > (this case 36
> > hours for less than 20ppm stirred vs. 10 hrs. for 26ppm bubbled)
> >
> > I have no clue why such a difference. I know Ole Bob you do
> > not like the
> > bubbler, I believe also Trem that you prefer stir
> >
> > Could someone explain some of these differences for me...in
> > terms I could
> > understand
> > and if bubbling is not good, whywhen it appears to make a better
> > product?
> >
> > TIA
> > Connie
> 
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Re: CS>HVAC and NO3

[Gaston]

List, I apologize if you just received a message sent
from me about the above subject. I just had finished
reading the message and I was deleting when I saw
that a message was just sent.
I must have hit the wrong key... Sorry.

Gaston



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Re: CS>DMSO

[Gaston]

Thanks for the info. Terry.

This is what I suspected. 

Gaston
==

- Original Message - 
From: "Terry Chamberlin" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 8:34 PM
Subject: CS>DMSO


> Gaston,
> DMSO can only be had in Canada with a prescription
> from a veterinarian. Six oz will cost you $50, if you
> can get the prescription, which is not likely. I know,
> I tried. I was closely questioned as to why I wanted
> it. Nor can you get it shipped across the border,
> against the law.
> 
> Terry Chamberlin
> 
> __ 
> Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca
> 
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CS>CMO - DMSO

[Gaston]

To Canadian residents:

I have been unable, so far,  to obtain these two products in Canada:

CMO - Cetyl Myristoleate

DMSO - Dimethyl Sulfoxide 

Anyone of you would know of a location and name of a company where 
I could purchase these two items anywhere in Canada pls ? 

Thanks.

Gaston
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Re: CS>Virus Alert

[Gaston]

Sorry James, I see that you have already seen this info and my message
had already gone out.

Gaston

- Original Message - 
From: "James Allison" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Virus Alert
   


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Re: CS>Virus Alert

[Gaston]

Hi James,

You probably have read the info about the sulfnbk.exe files at the following
address:  http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html

If not others may benefit from info. at the above address.

It says:

"This particular email message is a hoax. The file that is mentioned in the 
hoax, however, Sulfnbk.exe, is a Microsoft
Windows utility that is used to restore long file names, and like any .exe 
file, it can be infected by a virus that
targets .exe files."

and a lot more info.

Gaston


- Original Message -
From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" 
To: "Mike Devour" ; "Silver-List" 
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 8:37 AM
Subject: CS>Virus Alert


> Hello,
>
> I received the following message on Saturday 12-8-01 AM from a friend with
> whom I correspond occasionally.  When I searched I found the file
> SULFNBK.EXE  in C:/windows/command, and deleted it.  It has been over a
> month since I corresponded with him.
>
>
> The message I received:
>
> ---start of message---
>
> Please check the following information to see if we
> transferred a VIRUS to anyone.
>
> I was sent this from a client -- and we did have it on
> our C-Drive.
>
> Sorry -- we hope this hasn't transferred to you.
>
> Do the following instructions:
>
> This is a time release virus which means that Norton
> and MacAfee Anti- virus do not pick it up until it is
> too late.
> I was told that the virus may have attached itself to
> everyone in my address book, and that I should send
> this warning to all of you regardless of whether or
> not I have emailed you in the past week or so.
>
> Please follow the following directions to see if you
> have the virus and if you do, to eliminate it.
>
> Click on "start".
> Choose "find" or "search".
> Choose "files and /or folders".
> Select "find".
> Select "C drive".
> The file to search for is: SULFNBK.EXE
>
> If you find this file, DO NOT OPEN IT!
> SELECT THE FILE BY right clicking ON YOUR MOUSE AND
> DELETE IT!
> Then close the window and EMPTY YOUR RECYCLE BIN.
> Then email everyone in your address book and ask them
> to follow the same procedures.
> ---end of message---
>
> James-Osbourne: Holmes
>
>


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Re: CS>CS effectiveness

[Gaston Boucher]

Hi wayne,

The following address: http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/Acid_alk_bal.html

shows the following table:

TABLE 1. pH of Various Body Tissues (1) (12)
---
TISSUE   pH
--- -
Skeletal muscle6.9 - 7.2
Heart   7.0 - 7.4
Liver   7.2
Brain   7.1
Blood  7.35 - 7.45
Saliva  6.0 - 7.4
Urine   4.5 - 8.0

I am not certain that these figures are correct, however, you may wish
to read more data at the above address. It looks ok to me, but other
experts may wish to comment.
Note: Time of the day when the reading is taken might be
  slightly different.

Gaston
==


- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Fugitt" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS effectiveness


> Morning John,
> 
>   Interesting about the saliva test.
> 
> >For several days now I have been taking saliva and urine pH readings
> >morning and evening, and what is interesting is that my pH levels,
> >especially the urinary, were very acidic when the inflammation was
> >active.
> 
>I have been wanting a ph kit for a few weeks or months.
> 
> Only yesterday did I find the time to pick up one.
> 
> So. this am was the first time I have done this.
> 
>Hopefully, I did this right.  The saliva came out at 6.0
> 
>I need to learn more about this testing.  Soon I hope to test my blood.
> 
>What should the readings be for urine, blood, and saliva?
> 
>Wayne
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Is CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS?

[Gaston Boucher]

Hi Jim,

You say that a 400 PPM cs was used.  I heard on this list from experts that
It would be almost impossible to produce true CS at 400 PM.

I have not seen anyone commenting on this aspect, should we not be
concerned about this 400 PPM ?  is this 400 PPM  CS  true CS  ?

Gaston

==
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Meissner" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: CS>Is CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS?


> Dear Group:
> 
> I just hear a disturbing story about a severe reaction between CS and
> swimming pool water.  The story is: The father put some 400 PPM CS on a
> small abrasion on his son's arm.  After going swimming it became violently
> inflamed and the son ran a very high fever.  He called the local alternative
> health doctor who explained that CS and chlorine is a very dangerous
> combination.  Could this be true?  I know all the people involved and could
> ask more questions.
> 
> Does anyone know?
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Canadian MSM powder suppliers

[Gaston Boucher]

I believe someone was asking where MSM can be obtained in Canada.

I know of one place that distributes it to two of their Montreal stores.
I purchased 300 gm -pure (100%)-  MSM powder from one of their stores 
at approx. $ 23.00 Cdn.

It is made in Canada by "New Roots Herbal inc." Beaconsfield, QC.
Their HQ office can be reached at : WWW.newrootsherbal.com

If you contact them they will provide you with their stores location.
I am not certain if they have any stores west of Montreal.

Gaston


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Canadian MSM powder suppliers


> In a message dated 2001-11-03 1:00:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> a...@cybermesa.com writes:
> 
> 
> > A local feed and animal supplies store here in Santa Fe New Mexico sells 5 
> > pounds of 99.8 MSM for 48 bux. 
> 
> Yes James but those are US Dollars.  5 pounds is about 1.1 KG or 1100 grams.  
> $48 USD is  About $77.28 CDN - then add $5.00 postal customs brokerage to 
> this  (more if they use a courier service) and any shipping charges - usually 
> about $20 CDN for a 1KG shipment and now the price rises to $102.28 CDN.  or  
> $93 CDN per KG.  There are suppliers here that can provide that for about $60 
> CDN or less.  The Canadian Dollar's value to the US dollar is very low now 
> and is getting lower making imports very expensive.  I'm not sure of the 
> source of MSM here but there is a large pulp and paper industry here and it 
> would make sense that the MSM is produced locally but I may be wrong about 
> this.  If anything at all, it may be more beneficial to purchase MSM from 
> Canada and import it to the USA.  Something to think about.
> 
> Ian
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Re: CS>problems with some messages

[Gaston]

Hi Nina,

I did have a similar experience with Brook's last message also
and I have had a few others lately.
The only thing that I can detect, in those messages,  is that the subject line 
of these
messages is written with very small characters. I suspected
my "outlook express" along with window 98 program not being set correctly. 

Perhaps someone familiar with "outlook express" would like to make 
somme comments regarding how it can be corrected pls.

Gaston
-
- Original Message - 
From: "Nina Silver" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 8:05 PM
Subject: CS>problems with some messages


> Hi People.
> Over the past two days some messages (such as ones from Brooks Bradley) have
> been accompanied by a weird window that says something about downloading
> Japanese characters. Although I always click "cancel" to get rid of the
> window, it freezes up my computer and I have to exit my email program
> entirely.
> 
> Any ideas about what's going on? My computer does not have any viruses or
> worms.
> 
> Nina Silver
> 
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Re: CS>Price of Silver Wire

[Gaston]

Hi "Ole Bob"

Do you mean 0.063 " instead of 0.63 " concerning the wire size # 14 ?
The 1/2" diameter seems to be large.  Must be a typo error.

The table seems to indicate 0.063 " 

American Wire Gauge (AWG)
AWGInches  mm 
 14     0.0641 1.63 

Regards

Gaston
==

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert L. Berger" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Price of Silver Wire


> Wayne,
> 
> There will be be not "ill effects" from any CS unless it has nickel in it and
> even them people would probably no suspect nickel poisoning, which could be
> fatal.
> 
> To check your wire size #14 is 0.63 " diameter.
> 
> "Ole Bob"
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Getting ready to brew!

[Gaston]

Hi Eleanor,

The best steam distilled water (and the only ones) that I found in the Montreal 
area, is at the drug store
"Pharmaprix". Trade name: "Life". The price is $1.57 Canadian.  This one reads 
1.8 u/S or less.

There is also one sold by Wall-Mart, but I do not use it, Trade name: "Echo 
Springs". This
one reads around 7.6 u/S. Approx. the same price.

The Pharmaprix one is much better.

Gaston
=
- Original Message - 
From: "kukurippa _" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:26 AM
Subject: CS>Getting ready to brew!


> 
> I'm starting to collect what I need to make CS.  Today I bought an aquarium 
> air pump and some silicone tubing.  I didn't get the stone bubbler because I 
> have a question about it.  I was at Wal-mart (Canadian) and the only bubbler 
> stone is green (looks like clumped-together sand), whereas what I thought I 
> was looking for was white ceramic.  Is this green type of bubbler stone what 
> you guys are using?
> 
> The other problem is I haven't yet found a source for steam-distilled water. 
>   At the pharmacies here (including Walmart) they only have 
> demineralized/ozonated water with <10 ppm.  I'll keep looking I guess, maybe 
> make a trip across the border ;)
> 
> Eleanor
> 
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Re: CS>OT - need tracy's email

[Gaston]

Hi Jeannine,

I beleive the e-mail address is: nwgr...@inet.net.nz

Gaston
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:56 AM
Subject: CS>OT - need tracy's email


> Anybody on here have Tracy Grant's email?
> 
> I thought I had it and can't find it.  I mailed her some books the other day 
> that I promised 6 months ago (:(  and I wanted her to be expecting them as 
> they have to go through customs to get to her.
> 
> thanks
> Jeannine 
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Re: CS>Heel Spurs

[Gaston]

Hi Tel Tofflemire,

I am sorry, I do not know if CS will help Heel Spurs. However, I can tell you
how I cured my heel spur problem.
I have had this problem for a few years (approx. 3) and I cleared it in 1997.
It took approx. 3 months max. to clear. I passed this information to one of my 
friend 
with an identical problem and he has cleared his problem as well. And so far 
this problem did not reoccur.

All I did is take Calcium/Magnesium tablets after each meal. I ordered my 
tablets from US.
If you live in US it may make it easier. Living in Canada I had to pay customs 
plus shipping.

I have lots of info on what type of tablets to take and if you are interested 
I'll send it
to you privately.

Let me know if you are interested.

Gaston
==
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From: "Tel Tofflemire" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:48 PM
Subject: CS>Heel Spurs


> Would Colloidal Silver cure or help Heel Spurs?  Anyone know what would
> ?
> telt...@home.com
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Re: CS - H202 (hydrogen peroxide)

[Gaston]

Thanks Marshall.

I'll try the health food stores.

Gaston

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: CS - H202 (hydrogen peroxide)


> It is 35% and requires refrigerations.  You may be able to find it in some 
> health
> food stores.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Gaston wrote:
> 
> > I have read a few messages referring to  "food grade" type H202
> > and I cannot find "food grade" type in drug stores that I have
> > asked. They are not familiar with "food grade" type H202.
> >
> > However, they do have "hydrogen peroxide topical solution" only at 3% H202,
> > which, I beleive they do normally keep with prescription drugs.
> >
> > Would anyone be able to tell me if this is the "food grade" type that has 
> > been
> > referred to pls ?
> >
> > Would appreciate anyone that can enlighten me on this subject.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Gaston
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Re: CS - H202 (hydrogen peroxide)

[Gaston]

I have read a few messages referring to  "food grade" type H202
and I cannot find "food grade" type in drug stores that I have
asked. They are not familiar with "food grade" type H202.

However, they do have "hydrogen peroxide topical solution" only at 3% H202,
which, I beleive they do normally keep with prescription drugs.

Would anyone be able to tell me if this is the "food grade" type that has been
referred to pls ?

Would appreciate anyone that can enlighten me on this subject.

Thanks.

Gaston



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Re: CS>News articles on BIOCIDE

[Gaston]

 There are interesting articles from the address provided below.
 I have just read a couple, but there are others that look good also.

 Thanks "Bitbucket13" for providing this address.
 
This institute must be subsidized somehow to make the research
and I wonder if they would not be able to provide us with some
answers that we are all looking for instead of doing our own research... 
 
 The CS experts may have some questions for them.
 
 In one of the articles, it is estimated that the price of silver will
almost triple by the year 2002... because of the demand.
I know that this is only an estimate, but for people that have money, wouldn't
it be a good time to buy some silver ?
 
 
-
 "Estimates of Silver Use as a Biocide (Other than for Water Treatment)
 By Geographic Area
 (In Thousands of Troy Ounces)
 
 Year2000 2002 2004   2006 
 Japan 440   465   490 
520 
 Europe   2   100   450 
920 
 North American 3   600 1000   1100 
 Rest of World0 20   200 
400 
 
-
 Totals445  1200 2140   
2940 "
 
-------
 
 Gaston
 
 
 ==
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Bitbucket13" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:21 PM
 Subject: CS>News articles on BIOCIDE
 
 
 I found this site devoted to silver including buying and selling.
 
 Has some nice articles on demands for Silver in the near future and
 rfesearch on Biocides
 
 http://www.silverinstitute.org/newsdesk.html
 
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Re: CS>Startling info re a bunch of diseases with a comon link

[Gaston]

I am sorry James, and other members of this list if this message was returned 
to the list.
I was trying to go the the address and hit the send instead.

Gaston
=
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From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" 
To: "Silver-List" 
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: CS>Startling info re a bunch of diseases with a comon link


> 
> http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=2830164126
>  
>  
>  
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Re: CS>Startling info re a bunch of diseases with a comon link

[Gaston]

- Original Message - 
From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" 
To: "Silver-List" 
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: CS>Startling info re a bunch of diseases with a comon link


> 
> http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=2830164126
>  
>  
>  
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CS>Re: Swollen glands

[Gaston]

Hello Michael,

Are you referring to your salivary glands and if so, do you know
which one pls ?

Interesting that your swollen glands went away with CS.
My wife has swollen salivary glands and CS did not seem
to help. She has both sides of her face below the ears swollen
and  she has had most of the medical tests conducted, (sca, biopsy,
and others. Apparently it is the small canals (ducts) in the salivary glands 
that do not
conduct liquid correctly.
And the specialist does not have any solution for it...he has
consulted with other specialists and nothing so far that can help
to clear the swollen glands. It looks like she has to live with that,
not very interesting.

1.- How do you take your CS, 4 ounces in morning and 4 ounces
  in the evening or all the 8 ounces together pls ?

2.- How much H202 do you put in your ears and how often pls ?

3.- I know that your MSM is for your back pain, but how do you take it
 Morning and night with orange juice ?

 Any other suggestions from yourself or others would be much 
appreciated.  

Gaston

- Original Message - 
From: "sad sack" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 10:08 AM
Subject: CS>Just a thank you


> 
> 
> After years of severe back problems my dentist removed
> a impacted wisdom tooth and after about 30 days of
> antibiotics I noticed I was almost pain free. I
> stopped all pain medication and did a little jig.
> 
> For years I would develop swallen glands in my neck
> about every other month. In February of 1999 I started
> on CS and not once in two years did I have any
> problems with swallen glands.
> 
> After two years of taking CS I decided to once again
> eat raw live food, drink fresh vegetable juices and
> quit taking CS. I even quit smoking. My glands swelled
> within a month and blood testing for infection and
> mercury were negative.
> 
> I started taking my regular dose of 8oz.? 5ppm CS and
> within days the swelling went away. What remaining
> teeth I have left are going away in July. I will take
> CS until my mouth heals and I am fitted for dentures.
> I will then quit taking CS only to see if the glands
> in my neck swell. I believe silver to be an essential
> part of the diet weather it be in the form of CS or a
> silver spoon.
> 
> I find it necessary to take about one gram of MSM a
> day for minor back aches. And, I did the three inch
> square patch of iodine to find out that I was low (by
> about three days) on iodine but still had the swollen
> glands. Oh! And one more thing; I used 3% H2O2 in the
> ear with the swollen glands.
> 
> Now i'm ROFLMAO and so pleased that I am able.
> 
> I THANK YOU LIST,
> michael
> 
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Re: CS>NASA and silver/copper ions

[Gaston]

Thank you all Ladies and Gentlemen to have asnwered the questions
that I have raised about the Silver-Copper alloy. I get the point and it is 
much appreciated.

Gaston
=
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: CS>NASA and silver/copper ions


> rogalt...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Gaston: I really don't see the need to first make a silver copper alloy to
> > generate copper and silver ions electrolytically. Why not use a circular
> > silver sheet placed in a round plastic cap. On the side of the silver sheet
> > facing the DW place a copper disc with a hole in it. Experiment with the 
> > hole
> > size until the ratio of copper and silver ions is about 10/1 which, as I
> > recall, optimizes germicidal activity. Roger
> 
> Cheapest and easiest alloy to get is serling, which is 93% silver and 7% 
> copper.
> The ratio is wrong, BUT, copper makes nasty stains in the pool, which silver
> apparently does not.  So we are trying the sterling, and just going to use a
> higher ppb to compensate.
> 
> We are putting the anode into the drain strainer, which has a high rate of 
> flow
> into the pipe that goes to the pump.  Cathode can be connected to any metal in
> contact with the water, even ground in most cases.
> 
> Marshall
> 
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Re: CS>NASA and silver/copper ions

[Gaston]

I have taken a quick look at the address 
"http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html";
Interesting this Silver-Copper alloy bit.

Anyone has more info. on this alloy pls ? 
Seems interesting and why can't we use it to produce our CS ? 
Would it be detrimental to our health pls ?

Gaston

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:07 AM
Subject: CS>NASA and silver/copper ions


> >From the "NASA commercial spin-off" list:
> "...POOL PURIFICATION - Space technology designed to sterilize water on
> long-duration spacecraft applied to swimming pool
>  purification led to a system that uses two
> silver-copper alloy electrodes that generate silver and copper ions when
> an electric current
>  passes through them to kill bacteria and algae
> without chemicals..."
> http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html
> 
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Re: CS & diabetes

[Gaston]

Hi Terry,

Glad to hear this report from the Health Food Owner about
his client in Manitoba.
My wife has type 2 diabetes as well and has tried CS (probably
not enough), but there was no change. 
Would you be able to obtain more info from this  Health food
store regarding:
- Strength of CS.
- Possibility of obtaining E-mail address of his client and of the
   Health food store.

I certainly would like to obtain more details about what other drugs
that this client may have taken as well. I beleive that it could benefit
to some other members of this list as well.

Thanking you,

Gaston
=
- Original Message - 
From: "Terry Chamberlin" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:29 PM
Subject: CS & diabetes


> I received a call from a Health Food owner in Manitoba
> who reported a client of his who had type 2 diabetes.
> She had it severe enough that her whole health was
> effected. By the end of her 4th 16 oz. bottle of CS,
> she was feeling much better. She went to her doctor
> and he said, "What have you been doing?" She said,
> "What do you mean?" He said, "Your blood sugar is
> normal. What have you been doing differently?" She
> wouldn't tell him.
> 
> Terry Wayne
> 
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Re: CS>OFF TOPIC, but of value to most list memers: Simple, very effective Security procedure.

[Gaston]

Thanks James for the information about the two important programs:
Format.com and Fdisk.exe. Much appreciated.

Note: The address you have provided for the Nuts and Volts should
   probably read: www.nutsvolts.com instead of www.nutsvolst.com
   in case someone else is interested to visit the site.

===

- Original Message - 
From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" 
To: "Silver-List" 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:34 PM
Subject: CS>OFF TOPIC, but of value to most list memers: Simple, very effective 
Security procedure.

> You can disable the two DOS programs which evil hackers most often use to
> wipe out your hard drive data.  DOS is still there, running behind windows;
> at least through Millennium Edition; I don't know about Win2K.
> 
>  [Not all hackers are maleficent, quite the contrary; they are mostly the
> good guys. The media tells us they are all demons, and can launch ICBMs by
> simply whistling the correct series of tones into a telephone.  Remember; it
> was hackers who gave us PGP]
> 
> Rename the file extension of the two files fdisk.exe, and format.com, so
> that they are no longer executable; even if a worm or other cyberpathogen
> gets in it cannot use these utilities to do damage.
> 
> 1.Start, Programs, MS-DOS prompt.
> 
> 2.Note the command prompt: C:\>
> 
> 3.Type cd\windows\command  This takes you to the command directory
> [Remember, when we had to do stuff like this to do anything on our
> computer?]
> 
> 4.Type this:  rename format.com format.con [then, hit return.]
> 
> 5.Then type:  rename fdisk.exe fdisk.exx [then, hit return.]
> 
> 6.If you need to use these programs for the purpose for which they are
> intended, do the same procedure, only correct the changes back to .exe  and
> .com  Don't mix the extensions between the programs; fdisk is exe and format
> is com
> 
> 7. If you have trouble, consult with someone who still remembers how to
> use DOS commands.  Spacing and punctuation must be exact.  The change of the
> file extension [the three letters to the right of the dot, does not matter;
> you may use anything except .exe or .com.  For example .cox or .zzz or
> whatever.  Using the above characters will make it easier to remember the
> correct extension.  By convention, .com and .exe tell the operating system
> that the file is "executable", i.e. it is a program which will perform some
> series of actions when called by the operating system or another program.
> 
> I am not certain that I have every detail correct; you may need to do other
> procedures in your machine to get to the right directory containing these
> files, but this is the basic principle.
> 
> Do not be misled into thinking this will protect you from more sophisticated
> attacks.  Keep your anti-virus programs armed and loaded with the latest
> updates, and still use caution opening attachments.
> 
> This is courtesy of a gentleman named M.L. Shannon, and was swiped without
> guilt from the May 2001 edition of Nuts and Volts, an excellent electronics
> print magazine.
> 
> www.nutsvolst.com  .
> 
> JOH
> 
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> 
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Re: CS>Attachment

[Gaston]

Brooks,

I did get the attachment (8.88k) as well. I did not open it and
destroyed it.

Gaston

- Original Message - 
From: "BROOKS BRADLEY" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Attachment


> NO.  I did not.  I have just detected the
> virus I contacted when I first opened Joanne''s
> corrupted email.  NEVER open an attachment from me--I DO NOT send them.
> Thanks for the heads-up.it is the first
> confirmation that the virus is sending altered messages.
> I have located the virus file, but am having difficulty in
> deleting it...or changing its name to render it harmless.  I will get some
> professional help tomorrow.
> Sincerely,  Brooks.
> Kehoe wrote:
> 
> > Brooks,
> >
> > Did you send a test message with an attachment??  I did not open it.
> >
> > CK
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Re: CS>VIRUS

[Gaston]

Mike, I did not receive any message "from the list" that contained a virus in 
an attachment or else during the last few weeks.

Gaston
==
- Original Message - 
From: "M. G. Devour" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: CS>VIRUS


> I've gotten a couple of messages sent to me directly, not through the 
> list, that seem to have been silver-list messages that were quoted in 
> their entirety, with a clever little line added at the end, something 
> like:
> 
> > look at the attachment...
> 
> ... giving the impression the person whose machine the message was from 
> was replying to the content of the message with something in the 
> attachment.
> 
> I've deleted them unopened, and don't remember who they were from. I 
> *think* Beverle's name may have been on one or both. I don't remember 
> if Joanne was involved.
> 
> Has anyone received a message *FROM THE LIST* that contained a virus in 
> an attachment? Or anything *else* of that sort in the last few days?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mike Devour
> silver-list owner
> 
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
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Re: CS>websites on cancer cures needed

[Gaston]

Interesting article at the following address:

http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/8012/315826.html

* Experimental Drug Cures Stomach Cancer, Report Says
* Cancers Linked To Fat, Inactivity
* Gene Related To Anorexia Found

Experimental Drug Cures Stomach Cancer, Report Says

BOSTON (The Boston Globe) - An experimental drug has all but
vanquished a previously untreatable form of stomach cancer in a
test patient and has shown remarkable effectiveness against a
lethal blood cancer, according to studies.




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Re: CS>Virus Alerrt

[Gaston]

Yes, I did get it as well. Norton picked it up before causing any damage.

Gaston

- Original Message - 
From: "Kehoe" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 4:42 PM
Subject: CS>Virus Alerrt


> Just got a virus alert from the last post from "Black" Anyone else get it???
> 
> CK
> 
> 
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Re: CS>"Ole Bob" at the checkout stand

[Gaston]

Hi "Ole Bob",

Many thanks for all the help you have provided me with and to all other
newbies. Your help was sincerely appreciated. You will certainly be
missed by many listers as you did an excellent job in repeating sometimes
the same valuable information to many of us.

Thanks also for your private offer to us that many, may still need regarding
testing, etc.

Hope that you may change your mind and come back regularly on this list and
I wish
you the best.

Gaston








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CS>Distilled water

[Gaston]

   Hi Group,

The attached, (IMO), is an interesting article on distilled water.
I do not know if it is all true, but if so, we should not be drinking
distilled water for very long periods as mentionned in the article.
I presume that the small amount taken with CS will not cause any harm
to our health.
Otherwise, any comments would be appreciated. Thanks.

Gaston



distilled water.doc
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Re: CS>Fw: colloidal silver

[Gaston]

Hi Tracy,

If I read his message correctly, at one place in his message He says that
"Colloidal Silver has never
been researched..", Then later on in his message He says "... Since I
researched the issue.."

He does not seem to have any proof.  It might be interesting to ask him what
he has found in
his research...

Gaston
=

- Original Message -
From: "Nick Grant" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:21 AM
Subject: CS>Fw: colloidal silver


> Hi guys
>
> This was the reply back that I had from that doctor that I told you about.
> Any suggestions?  Should I reply back again or leave him alone?
>
> Tracy.
> - Original Message -
> From: Dr Mark Austin 
> To: Nick Grant 
> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2000 14:53
> Subject: RE: colloidal silver
>
>
> > Dear Tracey
> > I am not interested in receiving any information about colloidal silver.
I
> > am perfectly well aware that it has antibiotic properties. So do the
other
> > toxic heavy metals mercury and arsenic (used to used as antibiotics
early
> > this century). Silver also poisons the anti-oxidant enzyme glutathione
> > peroxidase, which is an important detoxification and cancer-preventing
> > enzyme.  This is a known fact to experts in metal toxicity. It is not
> known
> > if consumption of colloidal silver will cause an increase in cancer in
the
> > long term, as it has never been researched.  If you are happy to
continue
> to
> > be part of an experiment by taking it yourself or risking causing cancer
> in
> > other people, that is your decision.  I have been advising my patients
not
> > to touch colloidal silver under any circumstances for 4 years since I
> > researched the issue. Conversations that I have had with metal toxicity
> > experts since then have only reinforced my opinion.  Do not make the
> mistake
> > that just because something is "natural" that means it must be safe.
There
> > are many natural substances that are toxic, just as there are many that
> are
> > safe. Remember that cancer takes decades to develop in people before the
> > lump actually shows.
> >
> > Dr Mark Austin
> > MBChB FACNEM MACAM
> > Functional Health Centre
> > 37 Pretoria Street
> > Lower Hutt
> > Tel +64 4 9391299
> > Fax +64 4 9391268
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Nick Grant [mailto:nwgr...@inet.net.nz]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:19 PM
> > To: functional...@paradise.net.nz
> > Subject: colloidal silver
> >
> > Hello, sorry I don't know your name, but my Mother-in-law , Trish Dower
> saw
> > you yesterday
> > and said you had some concerns about the use of Colloidal Silver.
> >
> > I don't quite know what it is that you are concerned about, perhaps you
> > could give me some medical data to support your concerns, and I will do
> the
> > same for you.
> >
> > Awaiting your response
> >
> > Tracy Grant.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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CS>Re: Diabetes

[Gaston]

For people interested on this subject only. Pls read the highlighted
paragraph
referring to carbohydrates...

The attached text was obtained from the following address:

http://www.thirdage.com/news/ap/hlth/20001105.3a05d687.5542.3.html?std

Gaston




Mexican-American Diabetes Studied.doc
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Re: CS>Re: Diabetes

[Gaston]

Thanks Susy,

"Avandia" has just been approved in our area, however, it might have been in 
used
for a few years in U.S. I will certainly read the info at the address shown in 
your
message, as my wife just started taking "Avandia" a few months ago.

Thanks for the info

Gaston

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  From: itssu...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:00 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Re: Diabetes


  Hi Robert.  Have had contact with several people who have had some problems 
  with Avandia.  One lady (a nurse) believes Avandia may have caused several 
  episodes of congestive heart failure.  We found some good research here   
  Drug-Induced Lung Diseases  .  She is no longer taking it. 
  suzy 

CS>Spark plug to produce CS ?

[Gaston]

Hi Listers,

Below is an interesting article about the use of a spark plug to produce
shock-wave pain reliever...for chronic heel pain.

Would there be any ways to produce CS using a spark plug to produce high 
voltage ?

That is probably not practical, anyway, I am asking the question in case.

Here is the article:

"FDA OKs Shock-Wave Pain Reliever
Bionic pain management: A spark plug-powered device that emits 
shock waves to treat chronic heel pain has been approved by the 
Food and Drug Administration. 
http://www.thirdage.com/news/archive/ALT02001017-03.html?std  

  "

Thanks.

Gaston

Re: CS>Cancer cure?? -- Have the patient report!!

[Gaston]

Hi Douglas,

I completely agree with you, with your suggestions about the patient to
write his own report,  and this list to contain a section covering  this
subject.

Gaston

- Original Message -
From: "Douglas Haack" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 6:26 PM
Subject: CS>Cancer cure?? -- Have the patient report!!


> Bob and list,
>
> It's of much less value when you -- as supplier of Zappers etc -- report a
> "cure". Have the patient write the report -- in their own words / hand--
> even scan it in or what ever. Yes, encourage these individuals to make
> their own report.
>
> This list could have a testimonial section.
>
> In Silvation, Douglas Haack
>
>
>
> Bob Squires wrote:
>
> > Dear list members;
> >
> > Wonderful news. Last evening a man called me to tell me that
> > his wife is getting better is gaining weight and feels wonderful . Six
> > months ago he called me to tell me that his wife had been diagnosed with
> > Pancratic cancer ,had gone through an extended period of chemotherapy
> > and then had been told there was no hope and that she had two to four
> > months to live. They bought  a Zapper and CS machine from me. They use
> > the machines together and they do the job . What a wonderful thing
> > Best wishesBob
> >
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Re: CS>Plate Zapping...

[Gaston]

Hi Bob Squires,

I wanted to reply to your private e-mail, privately, but your e-mail address
has returned
all e-mails that I have sent you.

What is your address pls that will accept e-mail pls ?

Gaston
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CS>Use of TDS-1 (conductivity meter)

[Gaston]

Hi listers,

I have been using my TDS-1 for comparison purposes only and I noticed that
it seems
to increase the tyndall effect (using a laser pointer). I do not understand
that, however,
what I do is as follows:

I use a very small container (cleaned with distilled water) to use only the
required quantity
of CS to be able to measure the conductivity. My laser pointer shows very
little T.E. prior
to testing, however, once the test is completed the laser pointer shows a
very strong T.E.

Note:  I also clean the TDS-1 with hot water and use distilled water as well
and it cools it down
   at the same time.

Therefore, I destroy this water (used for testing) to ensure that it does
not have any effect on the CS.
The remaining of the CS still shows very low T.E. as nothing added in the
CS.

I do not know why, but could it be that because I use a small amount of CS
that the battery
current from the laser pointer would be causing this effect ?

Any comments would be appreciated.

Gaston



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CS>Re: Heated distilled water prior to making a batch of CS

[Gaston]

Hi listers,

I know that most of you do not heat the water, however, for those who do,
I find that, instead of heating the DW water, just pouring real hot water
while cleaning my
equipment (on the electrodes and inside the Jar) prior to making a batch of
CS gives me almost the
same results as heating the water. The start current is higher, specially if
you start the batch immediately
after cleaning your equipment with hot water. I also use distilled water
(room temperature) to clean my
equipment.

Gaston



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Re: CS>Stainless steel grade

[Gaston]

Thanks Tony,

Gaston

- Original Message - 
From: "Tony Moody" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel grade


> Gaston,
> You could use grade 304 , 304L, or 316 , 316L or better.
> A welding supply store should be able to sell you a piece of wire of the
> same gauge (diameter) as the silver rod. They should be available in
> lengths of about 3 foot.
> Tony
> 
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Re: CS>Stainless steel grade

[Gaston]

Thanks for the info. Robert ("Ole Bob")

Much appreciated.

Gaston
===
- Original Message -
From: "Robert L. Berger" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Stainless steel grade


> Gaston;
> The cathode is only to complete the electrical circuit. The silver comes
from
> the anode. So the  composition  of the cathode is a mute point.
>
> "Ole Bob"
>
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CS>Stainless steel grade

[Gaston]

I understand that some of you are using stainless steel electrode for the
cathode.

What grade of stainless steel do you recommend for it pls ?

I also understand that most of the stainless steel has a percentage of
nickel in it, and
I thought that we should avoid nickel.

Gaston
===
i.e.: Here are some info. taken from various WEB pages about stainless
steel:

"What is stainless steel?

Stainless steel is defined as a series of steel alloys which include at
least 10% chromium. Dozens of stainless steel alloys exist. By far the most
common alloy used in door production is #304 which is composed of 18%
chromium and 8% nickel. The #316 alloy is used with success in highly
chlorinated environments such as public swimming pools or pulp mills and is
composed of 16% chromium, 10% nickel, and 3% molybdenum. Contact Ambico in
order to help you to select the stainless alloy most appropriate to your
project

In addition to chromium, nickel, molybdenum, titanium, niobium and other
elements may also be added to stainless steels in varying quantities to
produce a range of stainless steel grades, each with different properties.

There are a number of grades to chose from, but all stainless steels can be
divided into five basic categories

austenitic   : 18% chromium and 8% nickel
ferritic   : chromium content between 12 and 18%, but with low
carbon content
duplex chromium (between 18 and 28%) and moderate amounts of
nickel (between
4.5 and 8%).
martensitic   :  They are plain chromium steels containing between 12 and
18% chromium.

precipitation hardening :These steels have been formulated so that
they can be supplied in a solution treated condition, (in which they are
machinable) and can be hardened, after fabrication, in a single low
temperature "ageing" process."




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Re: CS>Zapper Schematic

[Gaston]

- Original Message -
From: "BILLBSC" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 3:55 PM
Subject: CS>Zapper Schematic


> Again,
>
> This is the largest size Marshall said could post.
> maybe this one will be readable.
>
> Bill
>
>
>






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Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]

[Gaston]

blue_eyes

If this would give us a more accurate size of particles and
give us a reference of how strong the CS is, I definitely
would have an interest in the proposition, and probably many
other readers would also have.
However, I am not certain at this stage that the proposition would do that,
unless additional information is provided to us as to how it would do that.

Regards

Gaston
=
- Original Message -
From: "blue_eyes" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Introduction [harbor freight]


> Hi "Ole Bob",
>
> Yes, I understand the need for a nice coherent beam if a
> person is going to eyeball it for the Tyndall effect.
>
> I was thinking more along the lines of having red,green and blue
> LEDs on one side of the cell and light sensors on the other side to
> measure the light transmission changes for each wavelength.
>
> Based on some of the thoughts expressed on this list,it seems
> we would expect to see changes in blue first,then green and
> finally,red. Perhaps one might wish to stop brewing when a
> certain reading in green or red is reached.
>
> This might give a qualitative spin on the conductivity readings.
> Plotting conductivity versus Tyndall readings for a brewing run
> might show something interesting.
>
> I have been keeping samples of each batch to check conductivity
> and Tyndall effect over time as I seek to stabilize my process
> and if this idea is workable, I could also check to see if there
> are shifts in wavelength readings over time. If there is a shift
> to higher readings in the green and red wavelengths,and the blue
> readings go down, this might tell us something about the changes
> in particle size as related to storage containers,light exposure,
> etc.
>
> Just thinking out loud, does anyone else have an interest in this
> sort of thing?
>
> David
> ---
>
> "Robert L. Berger" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Blue eyes;
> >
> > One needs laser diodes for this purpose and they come in 635 to 685
nanometers which is in the IR zone. NEC manufacture on page
> > 54 of Mouser cat.
> >
> > I t might be possilbe to rig up a set of optics to focus the beam from a
standard diode but it wont be simple.
> >
> > So the hunt is still one for other color laser diodes.
> >
> > "Ole Bob"
> >
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Re: CS>Standardization

[Gaston]

Hi "Ole Bob"

I agree with you 100%.

I do plot each run and normally it takes two hours to complete a run.
If  the run is longer, I will get a good medium Tyndall effect and the CS
will turn
gold a few days which I do not like. Therefore, I stop prior to that point.
In my case I monitor the
Voltage since I limit the current to 0.8 ma. I do monitor the current as
well to ensure that
it stays at 0.8 ma.

Best regards to all

Gaston

- Original Message -
From: "Robert L. Berger" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Standardization


> Hi Ya'all;
>
> Before you jump off the deep end without a life preserver, have an
analysis
> made of your CS to determine the PPM.
>
> If your process is 15 to 20 minutes you will be kidding yourself by not
> seeing a T.E. as you probably haven't made any!
>
> Many think I am off my rocker about meters (probably am) but I just like
to
> know what I am doing. I do plot every  run as the initial current in the
> cell is the determining criteria as to the length of time to reach a
> reasonable ppm. (That's not to profound is it??)
>
> "Ole Bob"
>
>
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Re: CS>Standardization

[Gaston]

"Ole Bob" and Ivan,

Thanks Bob for the information you have provided in this message and thanks
Ivan for the follow up message on the Tyndall.

I liked your item # 2 Bob about the IR light and size of particles. I did
produce CS with barely no Tyndall effect detected with my laser pointer and
I was wondering if the CS was good or not (even though the voltage plot was
ok - I have a current limiting set up). I was under the impression that we
must be able to detect very low Tyndall effect with a laser pointer to
ensure that we do have CS. But, I presume now that we can have good CS
without being able to detect Tyndall effect with a laser pointer as
mentionned in Ivan's message.

Pls correct me if  I am wrong.

Thanks again for all this information.

Gaston
=
- Original Message -
From: "Robert L. Berger" 
To: "silver-list" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 5:10 AM
Subject: CS>Standardization


> Hi Ya'all,
>
> There are two general types of CS generators; constant voltage and
> constant current.
>
> 1.) with either method constant stirring reduces the agglomeration of
> silver ions, and should result in a weaker T.E. for a given PPM.  (first
> step)
>
> In any manufacturing operation the product made will have a distribution
> for a particular parameter. The distribution curve is generally a bell
> shaped curve. If the process is under control the center of the bell
> will be the desired parameter. The + or -
> three sigma limit is set by the equipment used. Poor equipment will have
> a very wide range and top notch equipment will have a narrow range. We
> never can realize the ideal of a single point.
>
> 2.) With the average IR laser the wavelength of the IR light is about
> 680 nanometers. If all CS particles were smaller than 680 nm then there
> would be no T.E. Since there is a distribution of particles in the CS
> then the brightness of the T.E. is a direct indication of particle
> sizes. Which could be correlated to bioavailability.
>
> 3.) The second step to standardization would be to meter the current in
> a constant voltage system or the cell voltage in a constant current
> system. In a constant voltage system the current will increase at an
> increasing rate up to a point. Then the rate of increase will stop and
> actually reverse. When the increasing rate starts to slow down (can be
> seem if data is plotted during the brew cycle) agglomeration has set in
> and the T.E. will start to get brighter.
>
> 4.) Step #3 is to plot the current or voltage with time to observe what
> is happening. As in #2 above.
>
> 5.) The initial cell current in a constant voltage system is your best
> measure of the water quality. If one will data plot then a history can
> be obtained for your process so as the water quality varies you will
> know when to shut off the system.
>
> 6.) If one measures with a Hanna type meter it will be found that the
> conductivity will change with time, so note the reading after brew and
> 24, and 48 hours later for data plotting. Then if one has an AA or
> spectrophotometer reading made for a stable product a bench mark has
> been reached to the standardization of your individual system, and then
> we can talk about relative ppm of CS with some degree of accuracy.
>
> This might seem to be a lot of work, but stop and consider the value of
> being able to talk intelligently about the results that one can get with
> ones CS.
>
> The work by Stephen Quinto shows a remarkable difference in "killing
> power" between 9 ppm (fair) and 12 ppm (very good)
> for Staph and Ecoli1 and Ecoli2.
>
> So having a reasonable knowledge of your product may mean the success or
> failure in what you are trying to accomplish.
>
> Sorry for the harangue.
>
> "Ole Bob"
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Spider bites

[Gaston]

Hi Bob,

I completely agree with about your proposition regarding
standarding the CS that we make.
We should all reconsider working together in putting together
some standards to produce good CS to help new and existing
listers.

Gaston
==
- Original Message -
From: "Robert L. Berger" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Spider bites


> Katie;
>
> You say that you made CS water. How do you know what you had in the way of
ppm
> or particle size.  Just "making CS" with a couple of silver wires is a
great
> unknown.
>
> What the members of list list fail to realize is that the T.E. is more
important
> than they realize. The reflection of the laser beam can only happen when
the
> particle size is equal to or greater than the wavelength of the IR beam
which is
> generally 680 nm.
>
> So the stronger the beam the less bioavailability there is in the CS. A
very
> good CS would be about 10 ppm with almost no T.E. visible.
>
> When I proposed standardizing the CS manufacture over a year ago there
were
> several members that ridiculed the idea.
> As a result most listees have no idea as to what they are making. No
wonder the
> medical authorities laugh at us.
>
> "Ole Bob"
>
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CS>Re: Alternative Medecine therapies

[Gaston]

Hi Listers,

Some of you might be interested to read the article below taken from the
following
address: http://www.thirdage.com/news/archive/000717-01.html?std


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"Daily News
JULY 17, 2000

Alternative Medicine Panel Formed
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Clinton has appointed a Harvard educated
psychiatrist as chair of a new commission charged with recommending federal
guidelines for the use of alternative medical therapies.

Clinton created the White House Commission on Alternative Medicine by
executive order earlier this year. The commission is supposed to recommend
legislation or administration action to help people make the most of
alternative medicine while avoiding potential risks from unproven therapies.

``Each year, tens of millions of Americans receive alternative therapies.
The great potential and possible perils associated with the use of
complementary and alternative medicine have been well documented,'' Clinton
said in a statement issued at the White House. ``There is no doubt that
these therapies should be held to the same standard of scientific rigor as
more traditional health care interventions.''

Clinton appointed Dr. James S. Gordon, of Washington, to chair the group. He
also appointed nine other members, with others planned later."

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