Re: CSZappers
Thanks for all of the input on zapping. I see that larger electrodes and better surface conductivity is in order. I particularly like the idea that zapping might limit the herx by inhibiting the toxin release. The herx from CS and Lyme can be a little rough. My circuit produces a square wave output with no DC offset. The frequency is about 3 or 4Hz, and the voltage is adjustable to a maximum of 36 volts. I just breadboarded it on a piece of PC board, screwed it to a small scrap board with standoffs, and secured the battery pack to the board with some electrical tape. With the homebrew look, all the wires, batteries, and blinking leds, it looks something like a bomb! Thanks again for all of the help. God Bless, Jeff - K1le -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSZappers?
Are there any zappers on list. I just built a unit and am wondering what to expect and how long it should take to see any results. I have chronic Lyme. I've been zapping for 30minutes, 2x per day, for the last three days. I've been using dimes for electrodes, taped to my anckles, and I get a few small burn marks from them. Any advice would be appreciated. Is this a good thing to combine with CS? Thank you, Jeff
Re: CSZappers?
Yes. James Osbourne Holmes Gee Thanks for the information...I think ;-) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSElectrode Surface Area
This is a good question. Even with large electrodes, I suspect that the current density is not uniform. Has anyone addressed electrode design? Jeff - Original Message - From: blue_eyes broompi...@netzero.net To: C. SILVER silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:19 PM Subject: CSElectrode Surface Area Greetings Folks! As time has gone on, the subject of current density has come up now and then and several folks have mentioned what they thought was the appropriate maximum density for minimum silver size. I do not recall anyone mentioning whether they based current density on 100% of the wetted surface area of both electrodes or only the wetted surface areas facing each other. I tend to think that most of the current is leaving or entering the surfaces facing each other. Regards, David -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSElectric Blanket / O.T.
Marshall Dudley wrote: Transformers have a flux channel made of iron which attempts to keep all the flux inside, but some escapes. Also they typically have shielding to prevent flux leakage. But they still leak a fair amount of flux. The blanket has no iron core or shielding to prevent the flux from extending far outside the blanket. Many appliances that are motor operated and or utilize a transformer; have an open frame on that device. The core is indeed used to concentrate the flux, forming a magnetic circuit within the device, but the field emanating is huge compared to one conductor. This field is proportional to ampere turns, and these devices have many turns. Only in sensitive equipment is any attempt made to shield the field. The reason for the computer interfering with radio is that it is running at high frequencies with square waves that produce a lot of harmonics, extending into the hundreds of megahertz. The blanket will only be generating 60 hz, which should be rejected by the RF and IF sections of the receiver. Yes, and RF is even worse for you...like the 100+mhz stuff that is streaming from this computer and frying my brain as I type! My radio can attest to it's presence. I can also tune in on the many harmonics, as you mention, in the vhf region. I saw a science fair project here a few years ago where mice were kept in two containers, one was exposed to a DC magnetic field. The mice in the field were all dead in a week. Not sure of the polarity of the magnetic. My only question about the DC field concern is how do you get away from this? The earth itself is a large magnet with a steady state field. I was unaware of health concerns due to steady state fields. As far as the ground water, and other things, the easiest way to deal with them is to dowse for them. Check the archives, this was discussed earlier at some length. Don't sleep on any energy lines, negative or positive. I found one running through my wife's side of the bed about 3 months ago and moved the bed less than a foot so it is off the edge, and she went from very bad insomnia for over 5 years to sleeping like a kitten immediately. This is totally new to me. Is this energy magnetic? Can the polarity be determined? Is there any way of measuring it with an instrument? How did you know it was there? Could this be why my wife is grumpy?...nah...it must just be me! Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: SHOCK HAZZARD Please Re-think
The below site mentions applying 100,000 volts at 1 to 2 amps, several times. That means your flesh will disipate 100,000 to 200,000 watts during those applications. I'd be willing to bet that would cure snakebite!!! Or...maybe they ment milliamps...or microamps! Jeff Marshall Dudley wrote: See http://www.zetatalk.com/health/theal04p.htm on using shock for snake bites. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Cattle prods have been used to successfully neutralize snake venom. They are also more convenient than an electric fence. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Jeffrey A. Madore [SMTP:k...@uconect.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:38 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSRe: SHOCK HAZZARD Please Re-think Please dont try this at home. If you do, there are 3 things you must remember: 911 !!! HVAC or HVDC can kill you! Although most of the textbooks on electric shock will indicate that it takes 100 ma to send you're heart into V-Fib, you can still throw it off beat with much less. And you have no way of knowing the exact conduction path and how it effects the heart. I have Chronic CNS Lyme and was an instructor at a Nuclear training facility for many years. I worked with high voltage daily. I left a good paying job in August for fear of killing myself or someone else, due to a Lyme Brain mistake. I've had many close calls and a few accidental contacts...None helped my Lyme! I have an electric fence around my property, have bumped it many times and all it did was make me jump! Incidently, there have been fatalities associated with electric fences; though very rare. An electric fence can put out a very strong shock if you have good conductivity to ground...like holding a shotgun in one hand, reaching through the fence for a cuke...sleve hits the fence...gun barrel touches the grass...wow!...memorable! Last evening I even got a reminder while testing various transformers that I had around...accidently contacted 1kv! This was no neon sign transformer either! MS is thought to be due to an infection. Lyme is commonly misdiagnosed as MS. Try lots of CS and look for a herx. Metronidazole and Tetracycline are an extreemly effective chemo combination...if you can stand it. There are many other things to try. Though high voltage may alleviate symptoms, it can leave a person in the ultimate state of poor health! Jeff 2001 TV VCR wrote: Hi Trying to help a friend with MS. He is unable to walk without a walker. He can't ever seem to get around to using the Beck blood electrifier or the Rife type frequency generator which I built for him. I have heard that some people have been cured of lyme and other conditions by acidentally contacting an electric fence. Quick high voltage shock and no more viruses! He is willing to do something like this and I am planning on hooking him up to a television flyback (hi voltage) transformer. The voltage is 25,000 DC at about 2 mA. Since there is not enough current available to cause tissue damage it seems like this would be safe. Has anyone heard of someone be seriously hurt with very low current HV DC. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSParticle size
Nancy Steele wrote: I am making CS with a solar battery charger. It is 12 volts and 125mA. My silver is light to medium yellow gold and very clear. It doesn't seem to precipitate at all and there are no particles that you can see. I want to be able to use a nebulizer and I am concerned about the difference between my 125mA and Brook's 12.5MA big difference in numbers and I'm not sure about the terms mA and MA. Sure hope there is some. Thanks for any help anyone can give. Hi Nancy, Fred already addressed your concern. My question is, how long does it take you to produce CS with 12volts? I've tried 12 volts but it seemed to take many hours. It could be that your set up is different. Could you describe your electrode configuration? I like low voltage...even more after accidentally contacting 1kv a couple of hours ago on the test bench! Jeff
Re: CSCollodial copper
Would anyone know what the benefits of taking colloidal copper would be? What dose would be considered safe? Thanks, Jeff Marshall Dudley wrote: Colloidal copper can be easily made from 14 gauge house wire. I have done it, same way as colloidal silver. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: SHOCK HAZZARD Please Re-think
Please dont try this at home. If you do, there are 3 things you must remember: 911 !!! HVAC or HVDC can kill you! Although most of the textbooks on electric shock will indicate that it takes 100 ma to send you're heart into V-Fib, you can still throw it off beat with much less. And you have no way of knowing the exact conduction path and how it effects the heart. I have Chronic CNS Lyme and was an instructor at a Nuclear training facility for many years. I worked with high voltage daily. I left a good paying job in August for fear of killing myself or someone else, due to a Lyme Brain mistake. I've had many close calls and a few accidental contacts...None helped my Lyme! I have an electric fence around my property, have bumped it many times and all it did was make me jump! Incidently, there have been fatalities associated with electric fences; though very rare. An electric fence can put out a very strong shock if you have good conductivity to ground...like holding a shotgun in one hand, reaching through the fence for a cuke...sleve hits the fence...gun barrel touches the grass...wow!...memorable! Last evening I even got a reminder while testing various transformers that I had around...accidently contacted 1kv! This was no neon sign transformer either! MS is thought to be due to an infection. Lyme is commonly misdiagnosed as MS. Try lots of CS and look for a herx. Metronidazole and Tetracycline are an extreemly effective chemo combination...if you can stand it. There are many other things to try. Though high voltage may alleviate symptoms, it can leave a person in the ultimate state of poor health! Jeff 2001 TV VCR wrote: Hi Trying to help a friend with MS. He is unable to walk without a walker. He can't ever seem to get around to using the Beck blood electrifier or the Rife type frequency generator which I built for him. I have heard that some people have been cured of lyme and other conditions by acidentally contacting an electric fence. Quick high voltage shock and no more viruses! He is willing to do something like this and I am planning on hooking him up to a television flyback (hi voltage) transformer. The voltage is 25,000 DC at about 2 mA. Since there is not enough current available to cause tissue damage it seems like this would be safe. Has anyone heard of someone be seriously hurt with very low current HV DC. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: AC vs DC
Can anyone refute the below, as it seems to make sense to me and correlates with my observations. Thus, if charged particles are the desired outcome, LVDC is the best way to go. Jeff Fred wrote: snip Per my previous post, HVAC will first release an ion of silver, from the positive electrode - then the voltage reverses and it will be attracted right back to the now negative electrode and gain its electron which converts it to elemental silver (every bodies 'sludge'). snip Short shelf life is an indication of crystals settling by gravity! They would not normally grow unless ions of silver were also present. The PPM is the same (by weight) but the TDS would fall off! The HVAC product should have minimal sized particles, no charge so no crystal growth and thus a long fallout time. snip -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Vacuum (wasCSHELP - I have asthma)
binsm...@aol.com wrote: I had to get a new, expensive :( vacuum because every time I used the old one, I got sick. Nellie Christ, my all Central vac is great, as you can vent it outdoors. Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSElectric Blanket / O.T.
Jeff Gilman wrote: The difference between the electro-magnetic flux you are exposed to between transformers and electric motors vs. an electric blanket is that the blanket is in very close contact with your body. How many motors or transformers to you sleep with? i.e. have VERY close to your body for many hours on end? Electromatic fields decrease INversely with the distance. That is, move the electrical object twice as far away and the field strength drops 4 X. Also, by design electric blankets are designed to cover your entire body (LARGE surface area in close contact). A hair dryer would not be as close, nor used as long, nor have anything appoaching the surface area of an electric blanket. Well...I guess I was thinking of duty cycle as well as flux density. My blanket is set at about 1.5 on a scale of 0 - 9. So, it clicks on for about 30 seconds every 5 minutes. Transformers and motors are magnetic flux generators. Take an electric guitar and approach the amp...major hum due to transformer's magnetic flux. A single conducting wire produces a fraction of the flux. This flux is also current dependent. The blanket has two electrically seperate sides...each draws less than 400ma. My computer produces various fields that wipe out the receiver in my ham radio rig, 4' away. It's everywhere. Since the current of the blanket is small, and the exposure time very intermittant, I wonder if the actual harm (if it's indeed harmful) isn't minimal vs being cold. The wires looping back upon themselves also may provide a degree of field cancellation. I have a king sized water bed with a 400 watt heater. I put several blankets over the matress and was able to shut off the heater. I mostly did it to save electricity. Then I put the e-blanket on top, with another blanket on top of that. The e-blanket runs very little, as the blanket over it keeps the heat in. Sure beats maintaining temp of all of that water 24hr per day. If I could find the slightest reason, reasonable anecdotal information, scientific data, etc; to believe that I would benifit from staying away from AC fields, I'd run it on DC. But then I'd probably read something about that being bad for me too. Hey, if my wife didn't behave herself, I could just switch her to the south pole!!! Last night I read about bed springs sucking the energy out of you!!! ...and ground water, hundreds of feet below grade, being major bad! I must be in a bad spot cuz my well is only 12 ft deep...dug it myself. I guess the challenge is sorting science from woga-woga. Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: AC vs DC
Fred wrote: Jeff said:Do you believe that DC generates the most effective CS? Anyone have any anecdotal info on DC vs AC? Fred - HVAC produces an inferior product - non-ionic and non-colloidal (although possibly better for topical uses due to the high PPM possible!) Then what is it I'm making? :-) Seems to work. It also seems completely different than the LVDC product. The effect on my Lyme seems different too. I've been trying to decide which to take...maybe both. Maybe I'll run the HV process and then LV on the same electrolyte. I'll have my wife take it first to make sure it's safe!!! (kidding...about my wife, that is) The LVDC CS seems more reactive. It plates out on the glass if I go too long or too fast. I have a hard time believing that the amber color is due to large particles. It also seems to have an immediate effect on my Lyme symptoms. I still don't understand the cone. I remember someone saying that they tried 300+ VAC and got no PPM. I'm using 20KVAC. I'll have to try it tommorrow with both electrodes immersed. I'll also measure secondary parameters. Jeff said: Has anyone tried HVDC? Fred - For why? In a electrochemical process requiring just a few volts, why bother? Would you consider shaving with a 1/2HP electric hedge trimmer! No, I'm one of those that always cuts the cord! Jeff Funny, I don't remember being absent minded. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe:Jeff/grumpy/electric blanket
Katarina Wittich wrote: Okay Jeff, the grumpy thing had me howling!! Hay Katarina, Maybe the electric blanket causes irritability! Just kidding...she's a sweetheart... Personally, I would avoid an electric blanket -- it just seems to me that we have so little idea what effect electricity has on the body -- why risk it. Even the zapper makes me slightly uncomfortable as an idea -- but it is being applied for short periods of time for a purpose -- not every night. Guess I won't be invited in with you and the wife and the dog eh? Katarina It might just get a little crowded...It's a king size bed, but there's actually two Saber Tooth German Shepherds. I feel so safe at night! Jeff I never wake up grumpy...I just let her sleep -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Experimenting
Fred wrote: Jeff said: Why is one electrode suspended above the electrolyte for the HVAC process? Fred - So you can impress your friends with the mysticism? I don't know, but it will act as a voltage dropping device (so why did we use so high a voltage?)! Try calculating the voltage drop on the water - if you have 10KV and your solution was 30K ohm you would be passing 1/3 amp! Now the transformer is current limiting to maybe 33 mills (zero volts out), so maybe 1/10 of the 10KV is impressed on the water - so the HV is needed mostly for the electrostatic energy to help stir things up (blast the sludge) and build a neato mystical cone. Jeff expirimented: Well, here's what I just did. I set up my 20KV AC supply with one electrode suspended above the water and one in the water (electrodes 2 troy oz each). It produced the usual cone and I measured the transformer secondary current. It started at 17ma. I ran about 45 minutes, until the cone dropped off, and at no time did the current exceed 20ma. The supply is rated for20kv @23ma. I didn't attempt to measure the electrode voltage, however I easily pulled a 1.5 arc in parallel with the electrolyte. This proved to me that the voltage is not dropping, nor the load excessive. I also tried immersion of both electrodes at the start. This increased the current by 2ma. The only purpose I can see for the cone is that it gives an indication that could be used for consistency. I conclude that the water is not purely resistive to 60Hz AC. There must be a reactive component that is limiting the current. I also believe that this component is inductive and that the cone itself is due to an inductive / magnetic property of the water as AC current is passed. This would explain why high voltage is required when using AC. To flow 20ma using DC and distilled water, I estimate my voltage would be in the area of 2000 volts to start. However, flowing 20ma for 45 minutes would produce a very dark product, as I recall. The AC product is clear. I still feel that the AC process and the DC process are making 2 different products. Which is better?...I don't know. Their effect on my Lyme seems different too. The yellow LVDC stuff has helped a lot. The herx from the HVAC is strong with lots of cardiac effects...makes me feel bad...which might be good? The batch I made with 20kv AC is now brewing with 12 volts DC applied (same electrolyte). It started at about 0.6ma. It's been running for about 2 hours and is up to 1.5ma. I'll probably stop at 2ma. Tomorrow I'll give it the Lyme herx test. Please, comments and criticism are welcome, as I know not what I do! Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSElectric Blanket / O.T.
Where does this fit in with magnets used for healing, and these zappers that pass current through your tissue for therapeutic value? Along with current flow comes magnetic fields. These zappers even produce alternating currents. What about the earths magnetic field? I was under the understanding that AC fields were bad. This is somewhat understandable due to induced currents in the body. I was thinking of powering my electric blanket with DC to alleviate the close contact with 60Hz mag flux. However, I feel like the flux from an e-blanket is much less than motors, xformers, etc. How would one judge the improvements, if there were any, from shutting off the e-blanket? And talk about fields...this computer put's out a strong RF field...as do most. Jeff somethings gotta kill ya Creston wrote: Hi All, I forgot who asked about the electric blanket. Here is another opinion. This come's from Dan Winter's sacred geometry site. Doing a search at the sitemap site for 'electric blanket' brings up quite a few other articles discussing pro's and con's of electricity and magnetism. http://www.danwinter.com/yarrow/asleep.htm 7. Notice when and where your body wants to sleep, and make a genuine attempt to honor your body's wishes. Prepare your sleeping space like you would a wedding bed. Bless it. If there is a magnetic rats nest crossing your bed, you WILL DIE prematurely. Electric blankets and water bed heaters are very bad news for living cells. Every electric dohickey within reach of your bed is wiping out magnetic bloodlines to your cells. GET RID OF THEM. Sleep on natural fibres and wood or best above live paramagnetic stone. The metal coils in your mattress are focusing magnetic holes into your body. Do not permit any metal items or synthetic fibres to be part of what you wear or carry. This may sound hard, but try a couple days with natural fibres and no metal then muscle test your body. For an example of body strength crash, just try your arm strength with vs. without your metal watch.. (one with a battery is particularly harmful to yor magnetic aura). - End copy and paste -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: polarity magnetic fields
deat...@aol.com wrote: David: understand - there is nothing to add - a person with reverse polarity should not use magnetic therapy under any conditions - it is very dangerous for that person. one must know this; How would one identify their polarity? I mean, I've always tried to be as positive as I can about things! Can polarity be reversed...like flashing the field of a large generator? Having spent many years working with high voltage, I've had my field flashed more times than I care to think of! ...sorry... Seriously though, being fairly new, as well as impressed, with alt.med, I am curious of the above phenomenon. I am also interested in opinions on 60Hz electromagnetic radiation. I've read everything from it being cancer causing to cancer healing. I'm thinking about my electric blanket. So far I've been comfortable with it because it's a low current resistive device that wouldn't produce nearly the magnetic flux density of many other household components. But lately I'm finding that many of the things I thought, I thought wrong. The other great thing about this blanket is that it has two controls. I can have it my way and she, hers...and the dog has a choice! Any thoughts? Jeff I never wake up grumpy...I just let her sleep -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: AC vs DC
Fred wrote: See my other post why the HV AC process avoids sludge formation, by blasting the sludge forming metal particles into the solution as quickly as formed. This unfortunately makes metallic particles, not ions of silver, but at least no crystals! Fred or anyone? Do you believe that DC generates the most effective CS? Anyone have any anecdotal info on DC vs AC? Has anyone tried HVDC? Why is one electrode suspended above the electrolyte for the HVAC process? What force causes the cone of water in the HVAC process? Would HVDC create a cone? Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Miror effect
Fred wrote: The glass we use to do the initial meter calibration also grows mirror spots, even though it is never used over 5 minutes and then emptied and stored upside down until the next use. Time definitely works against producing fine particle size. Use part of your last batch to reduce the required run time! Do you have any idea what the PPM is? Send an ounce of Cs and water and we will test them for you free, to: PII, 3516 Delilah Drive, Cape Coral, FL 33993 Hi Fred, I've let batches cook for 24hrs plus at very low current, (0.5ma) without any plating effect on the glass. I've also run batches without current limit, for an hour and ended up with major plating. I don't stir and my electrodes are large and about 5 apart. The runs I've made with 20KVAC, however, stay clear and show no signs of plating. If I really over do it (electrode very close to the water) and run long, I still get no plating, but the solution starts to look grey. I've observed the following: 1. All of the above products kill the bacteria on contact, according to my canine fecal matter test (patent pending!). Although, some of the above products themselves, do appear more feculent than others. VBG 2. All of the products seem to affect my Lyme Disease, according the herx observed. 3. The HVAC seems to cause the strongest herx. Can you or anyone comment on my observations as I search for which method and parameters are best. Thanks for any thoughts, critisizm, etc. Jeff-in-a-petri-dish (feeling like a laboratory rat, but a white rat still!) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Magnets/Help!!!!
This is really very interesting! I tried sleeping with a magnet under my pillow. I woke up with a headache most every time. Maybe I had the wrong pole up! I assume the compass needle end that says north, is magnitized as a south pole? If not, it would not be attracted to north. I have floated a magnet in water (on a piece of styrafoam) and it alligns with the earth's poles. Using this method, one would call the end pointing south, the north pole. Does this make sence? Jeff POTTED PLANT wrote: I'll go with the compass! When I recently bought some more magnets to make a magnetic pad I marked each side of each magnet according to the north-seeking end of the compass. I aimed the compass at each magnet and which ever side of the disk magnets attracted the north-seeking end of the needle I marked as north. I marked the other side as south. Now, Davis and Rawls say that the north pole of a magnet has a soothing effect and is what you should put on an injury. They say that north will reduce swelling and accordingly, pain and bruising. They say that the south pole is invigorating and will tend to increase the swelling of an injury. They took a bunch of earth worms and divided them into three groups-- a control group, a North group and a South group. The south box of worms rested on the south pole of a magnet and was kept distant from the other worms. The north box of worms was on the north pole of their magnet, while the control worms had no magnet. The control worms lived normal lives and deaths and *did not* chew their way out of the box. The north worms were not as healthy as the control worms and had a higher death count. The south worms were healthier than the control worms, ate all the food in the box and most chewed their way out of the box. I managed to ram my right knee onto the end of a board and that is when I decided to try the magnet pad idea. (Hobbled right out to Home Depot). I put the *north* side of my home- made pad against the owie and wrapped it with an elastic bandage which I got when I was hobbling home. In less than 8 to 12 hours later the pain minimized to the point that I some times had to stumble over the coffee table to remember that I was a cripple. There was hardly any bruising at all and three days later I stopped using the pad. S, I'll believe the compass! Although, to properly test this I should bang my other knee and use the south side this time and see if I am in agony for 6 weeks. oo I'm feeling achy already just at the thought. I put some Mexican jumping beans on the north pole of one magnet and some on the south side of another. The south beans jumped all over the place. The north beans didn't do as well. In 4 days we could have had Mexican coffee. Compass works for me. David -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSalittle gray
Marsha Hallett wrote: If hubby says it is OK, believe him! This indeed, is the eleventh commandment!!! Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSParticle size
Brooks, Am I correct in interpreting this as saying that the various CS generating methods that you list, produced similar sized particles? Would this then mean that current limiting is really unnecessary? Obviously, the higher voltages will produce higher initial currents and quicker runs if the current is not limited. Would this produce the same size particle as carefully controlled current? Another question that you might shine some light on: My HVAC (20kv) CS is clear and stays clear. It also seems more potent. My LVDC CS is golden and darkens with time. I keep hearing that color indicates larger particles. I have a hard time with this explination. I see very fine particles as I observe the light beam, and an occasional larger sparkle. Whatever creates the color must be smaller than the particles I see in my light beam. And the fact that this color darkens in time, leads me to believe it is something other than silver particles. Maybe some type of oxidation. I'll admit, when it comes to chemestry, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. I'd appreciate your thoughts. Jeff BROOKS BRADLEY wrote: To all interested list members. I have been reluctant to enter this discussion, but since we have some actual, objective data on this issue, I will break my covenant of silence. I do this knowing that many on the list do not possess the discretionary funds required to have multiple electron microscope runs performed (@ $120.00 each). In 1997 we had a number of specimens examined under electron microscopy, at an independent laboratory. Among these were 27 vdc (using batteries), 36 vdc (regulated ), 28 vdc (regulated power supply), 18 vdc (reg. pwr supply), 12 vdc (reg.pwr. supply), 10,000 vac, 1000 vac; generated using COLD (35 DEGREES F..), ROOM TEMP (80 DEGREES F.), and HOT (180 DEGREES F.). ALL RESULTS were so similar, that NO visible differention was possible.using the unaided human eye. since the magnification was in excess of 100K, most of the discussion is---at least to us---moot. I do not mean to be confrontational/adversarial in this matter. These are just our findings. Others may have data which contravenes ours. If so, I would be most appreciative of receiving their commentary. Sincerely. Brooks. Jeff Gilman wrote: Mark Metcalf of Silver Solutions says that its impossible to change the particle size. That the laws of electrochemistry prove that the particle size remains constant regardless of the voltage, temp of the water, etc. I would like to get this issue settled once and for all. Can anybody point me to any references which will prove or disprove this? Thanks, Jeff -Original Message- From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 12:44 PM Subject: CSRe: Bil, boiling water. Hi Bil, so , I have two questions. Doesn't heating the water increase particle size? As the particles bump into each other and agglomerate and make cs faster but bigger particles? And how do you boil water in a glass jar without it breaking? What kind of jar? I looked for glass kettles in the store but didn't find anything. Thanks, katarina I have been making CS for some time. I started out with a 16 oz. jar and was told to use boiling hot distilled water and no salt to have the smallest particle size. Now I use a gallon jar. The distilled water I buy here in California always tests below 2 ppm. I boil the water in a very clean glass pot. If I use cold water the CS process takes forever. Also no matter how much I limit the current (as low as 2 mA) the cathode always gets very thick with sludge. This is my setup: One gallon glass jar (clean) Plastic lid 99.99% silver, 1 x 3.5 (wetted) Food grade stainless steel, 1 x 8 (wetted) Stainless steel bolts and nuts (on lid) Electrodes spaced 1/2 apart 30 volts DC Some of you guys are using 120 volts AC rectified and filtered to produce ~170 volts DC. How much current are you running? What is the advantage? Is it possible to make 5 or 10 ppm CS by the gallon without the sludge using low voltage? Thank you very much for your replies. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS lyme and fevers
Hi Tami tm4...@aol.com wrote: I've been CS 6 months and worked up to a cup a day for lyme. I spent 9 months on IV rocephin and started Flagyl/Doxycycline 2 months ago. You've been on some tough meds! I took Tinidazole/Tetracycline 2gms each / day. This was the most effective antibiotic combination I had found after 10 years of Lyme. (Tinidazole and Flagyl are very similiar) I just couldn't stand the overall toxic effect. I'm now taking only CS and find it equally, if not more, effective. And I have no stomach upset, more energy, quit amphetamines, almost completely off of antidepresents, and everyone around me notices the improvement. I've been a slave to pharmacuticals. My gole is to take no pills! I had no fevers on IV but they started back in after stopping IV and going to oral meds. I run a low grade fever every single eve from 5-8 pm and it feel like sitting in a oven. It will then break then chills and exhausted. Docs don't know why this is and don't seem to care. IT'S NOT NORMAL TO HAVE A FEVER EVER NIGHT! You'll find that daily fevers and periods of fatigue are common with Lyme. I notice them more when I am actively treating the disease. This may be due to the bacteria die-off. Research shows that Bb can mutate, such that it is unaffected by many antibiotics. This mutated form is referred to as a cyst. It has been shown (in vitro) that flagyl is one of the few antibiotics that kill the cyst form. The doxy then mops up the free spirochetes. So, one theory could be that the IV meds killed the free spirochetes and caused others to encyst, where they were safe. The change to flagyl may be now going after the cysts, and thus killing them and releasing their toxins (herx) in the process. I'd love to see an in-vitro study of CS and it's effect on the mutated forms of Bb. You are exactally right, most doctors don't know and don't care. Everything revolves around money...the golden rule he who has the gold, makes the rules. The same Dr that is treating you may be getting paid $500/hr+ to consult with your insurance company as to appropriate cost effective treatment for you. Your well being is not part of the picture. This is a criminal conflict of interest IMO! Doctors are highly discouraged from treating Lyme Disease. This pressure is not only from insurance companies, but from government as well. Doctors that stray from the pack, and treat Lyme are often persecuted and end up losing their license to practice. Interesting thing is, it's a certian group of Dr's that continue to carry out the persecution. This group of Dr's also get most of the NIH funding for Lyme research. If you follow the money train, you'll see that these Dr's are using the results of the NIH funded research to their own financial gain. They patent various antigen candidates for vaccines and develope useless test kits to be manufactured under their private business. Funny how Gulf War Illness and Lyme are similiar. Odd how lyme is endemic on the LI and CT shore, and that Plum Is. is in between. And who sold weapons to the Gulf countries before the war. I don't think that the US wants the embarassment of having to admit that they do have a bio weapons program and that these weapons have been tested on various populations. I'll get off my soapbox now. That's about all I know. Is this my body fighting,a CS effect,toxins? Anyones's info would be of help- Tami M Tami, I wish there were answers. I don't think we know exactly what the extent of Lyme disease really is...it has so many symptoms and can cause anything from a simple anoyance to incapacitation to death. For me, eliminating the abx, and taking CS has proved the most helpful so far. The other thing to realize is that it takes a long time to get well, when you've been sick for a long time. One last word from my soap box: Don't ever consider the Lyme Vaccine. I've seen and heard of too many lives devistated by it. The adverse effects go unreported. These very sick people are told that what they have is all in their head, and that it couldn't possibly be the vaccine. Now they're testing it on children! ...time is short IMO... God Bless, Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Bil, boiling water.
Katarina Wittich wrote: And how do you boil water in a glass jar without it breaking? What kind of jar? I looked for glass kettles in the store but didn't find anything. I just melted silver in my wife's pyrex glass baking pan with an oxy/acet torch! The Glass was red and held up great...until I took the heat off. I heard a loud ping, came back to find the pan in pieces...oops, sorry hun! But the silver came out great and now I know what to get her for Christmas ;-) Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSalittle gray
donna2...@aol.com wrote: Hey everyone, Well I don't know but the past couple of weeks I have had people tell me that my skin is not looking right. Some have said it may even be alittle gray. Scares the hell out of me now. I keep looking in the mirror, there are some spots that are darker than normal. My anxiety levels right now are higher than usual. I have stopped taking any CS in hopes that this will fade and it is not what I am dreading. Hi Donna! I wouldn't be concerned too much about looking grey. I've been fighting Lyme for 10 years and have often looked in the mirror only to see the face looking back, looked just plain bad. I would say gray and colorless is part of it. I've only been doing CS for a few weeks, but have consumed a lot of it as I experiment to determine what is the most effective. I must say, my skin color hasn't changed...and I've taken some ugly looking stuff! But then...I'd settle for green if I could feel good...and my wife says I was never all that good lookin' anyway! Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: 170VDC HVAC doggy do-do
Corvus Corax wrote: what is herx? The term herx is short for Jarisch-Herxheimer Reaction and is often used to reference a period of worsening symptoms that occur after treatment begins. The Herxheimer reaction is most notably observed in spirochetal diseases such as Syphilis and Lyme Disease, and is believed to be caused by toxin released as spirochetal bacteria are killed. However, others have observed a similar response when treating various diseases and therefore the term herx is used to describe this response. Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: 170VDC HVAC doggy do-do
2001 TV VCR wrote: Some of you guys are using 120 volts AC rectified and filtered to produce ~170 volts DC. How much current are you running? What is the advantage? Is it possible to make 5 or 10 ppm CS by the gallon without the sludge using low voltage? Thank you very much for your replies. Bil Hi Bill and all, I've been experimenting with various setups and find that 170VDC seems to work pretty well for me. I tried it because it's easy to obtain. One rectifier bridge, one capacitor, and a couple of resistors. And, the higher voltage gets things going quickly. (no isolation be careful!) I use a 100 ohm resistor in series with the line cord to limit the inrush current to the capacitor. Without this resistor, the inrush from a 20A circuit blew my bridge to smoking bits and melted one prong on the line cord, such that I had to file it to use it again. Course my capacitor is a big computer cap... an overkill to say the least. Judging from past experience, and how it momentarily pulled the voltage of the whole house down, I'd say I drew a good surge of 300 to 500 amps!!! (I was close to the service panal and that ckt is wired with 10 AWG!) The 100 ohm resistor did the trick...no more smoke and flames, and no more Honey!, are you all right down here?... Honey??...HONEY??? I've also found that limiting my current to 0.5 ma produces a clear solution. However, I do run it about 20 hours. (I just set it up and leave it) My electrodes are about 5 apart and 2 troy OZ each. If I run higher current the process moves very quickly but the electrolyte turns yellow. I'm not sure what yellow electrolyte means. Some say it's bigger particles. I have a hard time with that because I see smaller particles (tyndall) and larger particles (sparkles). The yellow must be something else and of a very small particle in my thinking...not sure. I find that HVAC will not produce yellow electrolyte no matter how hard I try. If over done, it just seems to cause stronger tyndall, which eventually can be observed as cloudy electrolyte, and fallout of bigger particles. As far as effect, (I have Lyme) the clear, long run, current limited setup; causes the greater herx. I was surprised by this. I thought it would be weaker by just looking at it. I took more the first time...herxed my socks off! I think low current produces very fine particles. I observe the buildup on the cathode to be very fine. I'm going to try a little higher current (1ma) soon, to see what effect it has, and if the run time can be shorter. I'm also working on an active current limit circuit that will use 27vdc as the supply. By far, the greatest herx I've experienced was with CS using HVAC. I used 20KVAC, generated by 2 oil burner ignition xformers in series parallel. I let that run untill the water dropped away from the electrode (about an hour). I can only take a small ammount, as the herx is severe. This is all very unscientific!!! The other thing I've observed is that the herx seems to be different with the HVAC solution. It seems to flair up different symptoms...more cardiac. Just an observation...I need to experiment with LV and HV to get a better feel for the apparent different effect. Last night I ran a batch at 170VDC with no current limit. I came back one hour later and the solution was very dark amber and the current was up to 30ma. Just for kicks, I walked out into the backyard to the (trained) doggy do-do spot. Focusing my flashlight on a fresh mound, I plunged my finger into it. (grosed out my son big time) A sniff of the finger quickly verified that contamination was present. I then sprayed on some of the new batch of CS and very carefully retested (re-sniffed). There was no detectable odor inspite of visually apparent feculant contamination. I washed my hands anyway! Any and all comments are welcome as I sort through all of this, Jeff HAM AND EGGS A day's work for a chicken; A lifetime commitment for a pig. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Mike/meters
Hi Katarina, The only concern I have in trying to meter the current of the pulser, is in that I'm not sure what the output looks like. If I understand correctly, the pulser changes polarity several (4?) times per second. (I'm looking at a schematic from Bob Beck's site) This would be equivalent to using a simple setup and swapping the leads to the electrodes 4 times per second. A DC ammeter connected in line would then see the current change direction at that rate. If the rate of change were slower, the meter would read a steady state positive reading, and then an equal but negative steady state reading...and so on. This is basically a low frequency AC square wave. With the meter set to DC, it might just flash a bunch of numbers at you, as it wouldn't react quickly enough to display the current before it changed direction. If set to AC, the problem may be similiar, as these meters are usually designed to operate between a range of frequencies, and that doesn't usually extend down to the 2 to 4 Hz range. Now, looking closer at the schematic in front of me, I'm not certain that the pulsed output is used for silver generation. I'm typing out loud :-) The schematic I'm looking at has two output jacks: a 3.5mm jack labeled biological electrification and an RCA jack labeled colloids. The output from the RCA jack appears to be fixed polarity DC with no active current limiting. There is a 150 ohm resistor and small lamp in series to limit the short circuit current only. This output would work nicely with a digital multimeter. So, maybe I'm not even on the right page!!! I have Lyme Disease and associated dane bramage...keep *that* in mind. Three things I know for sure: 1. Mike's idea of getting a multimeter is a good one, as he said, it is a very useful tool and it will aid in understanding this electrical stuff. 2. Supper is ready. 3. The smoke alarms work! God Bless, Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS O.T. Re:peroxide in ears
Creston wrote: Hi Katarina and all, He felt excellent prior to me administering it in his ear, and he felt rotten after he took it. This is a very good indication that it's something you did! He developed bad headaches/ear aches/ neck ache - sinus. You name he had it. It lasted for 1 1/2 days. He ended up in bed! Did you ask him if he's willing to try it one more time for the sake of research? Seriously sounds like it's something you might want to look into before doing it again. I did it several times with no ill effects. The last time I had severe shooting pains. It appears that I just didn't get it all out, as when I did, the pain stopped. For me, I'd do it again in a minute if I felt a cold comming on...I hate being sick. Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS SILVER PULSER? (Electronic Healing)
Chuck, Bi-Phasic at ~3.92 Hertz (cycles per second) +/- 1 Hz This is the part that concerns me about metering. I've never heard of Bi-Phasic but 3.92 Hz, even if it's not switching polarity, might give wacky readings on a DVM. Though, with a few additional components, you probably could use the DVM to provide a consistant relative reading. Jeff -- Kids in the back seat cause accidents; accidents in the back seat cause kids. (Trying to keep up with Chuck!!) Charles King wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:29:44 -0800, 2001 TV VCR x2...@qnet.com wrote: Silver Pulser spec's and general usage info: Battery Voltage: 9 Volts DC (Alkaline Battery) Output Voltage at Colloidal Silver Probes: 27 Volts DC, +/- 1 Volt Output Current: 20 milliamps maximum when silver wires are shorted Oh, okay, When I saw pulser, I thought this was one of those current reversing devices. Apparently, Becks device is straight DC when using it for CS generating. So, my meter suggestion stands ok in my last post. Chuck -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSPeroxide in ears/ouch
Katarina, I did this last week and had the same results. I think what happen is that some of the peroxide stayed in my ear. The pains just got worse and more frequent and I knew I had to do something. I mixed hot water and rubbing alcahol 50/50 in a syringe (no needle!) and shot it into my ear. Then I put my little finger in my ear and pulled down to sort of elongate the canal. I could feel the trapped warm liquid flow out. I repeated it again and everything settled right down. I think that anytime you put liquid in your ears, you must make sure it drains. I don't know that what I did was medically sound, but it stopped the pain and all is well. I used the hot water and the alcahol as a solvent, thinking that the blockage might be aided by wax. I once tried straight alcahol and got a bit of a buzz. I keep a 20cc cattle syringe with a slap shot (plastic tube for injecting animals) in my med drawer and it comes in handy. I know how much that hurts...hope you get some relief. Jeff Katarina Wittich wrote: Hey guys, I've got a nasty headachey sinusey miserable flu - so in addition to gulping cs I also tried the peroxide in the ears -- and I now have one very painful ear -- sort of sharp shooting pains -- so I'm not so sure about that method at all! Just wanted to add my little warning to whoever else it was who had the shooting pains from peroxide. Katarina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Chuck/meters
Chuck, I'm not familiar with what the pulser has for an output (frequency, etc). It sounds like something more than flat DC. Do you know? I'm just wondering how well it would meter. Jeff (Two can live as cheaply as one... for half as long.) Charles King wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:35:29 -0700, Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com wrote: Now what do you mean when you say If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver electrodes, you will know the current going through your water. I have the bob beck silver pulser and the electrodes are not detacheable -- does in series mean I would have to put the meter between the electrode and the wire that leads to it? I guess I could dismantle it and figure out how to reattatch. Suggestions? My comments referred to adding a milliamp meter to the simplest of setups. That is: 3 battery, 2 clipleads, 2 silver electrodes that are bent to clip on the edge of a glass of distilled water. Anything else will take some simple innovation. If your device is complete with silver electrodes attached, you'll have to leave your device on the bench and use seperate new silver as above. Run one clip lead from the meter to one of the electrodes on the Beck device. Run one cliplead from the other meter terminal to a new silver electrode on the glass. Run a third cliplead from the other Beck electrode to the other silver electrode on the glass. Set the meter to read current, or milliamps (depend on your meter). If you draw it out, it's pretty simple. Chuck if you think education is expensive -- try ignorance. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: H202 in ears
Donna, I tried the H202 in the ears yesterday and today. Now I have sharp shooting pains in one ear. Some must have stayed in there. It was really hard to take so I shot in a 50/50 mix of hot water and rubbing alcohol. It still hurts but is more tolerable. A while back, I got a hot spark in one ear while welding. It went way inside. It felt as if it was melting right through my brain before it cooled...now I weld with ear plugs. I was also sand blasting and grinding so grit was getting everywhere. My ear got really soar and inflamed. I took a 30cc cattle syringe and blasted a hot water alcohol mix in the ear. All the crud came out and it felt better instantly. I dont know that this is ok to do...it was a shot in the dark What I'm thinking is that putting anything in your ears on a regular basis as a preventative, may cause problems...just my thoughts. Jeff (the sacrificial human experiment) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSAmalgam fillings (was Melting Silver etc)
Trem Williams wrote: Snip A silver amalgam is used to fill cavities. The amalgam is a given amount of mercury and a given amount of silver. They are mixed together to form an amalgam; or paste. The amalgam hardens in the mouth. That amalgam is nothing more than silver and mercury combined into a dense silver/mercury lump. If you take a silver filling from a persons mouth and heat it, the mercury will flash off, (distill) leaving the same amount of silver that was used at the start. And the silver will be in exactly the same size particles and shape it was when the amalgam was formed. It was not dissolved, it was amalgamated. The two metals are always separable. And the noble metal will always be the same shape, size and weight it was originally. If that is true, then the silver wasn't dissolved was it? It was surrounded but never penetrated. Snip This is very interesting. I've had Lyme Disease for about ten years. A few years ago I decided to have all 20 silver amalgam fillings removed and replaced with another material. I did this against the advice of my dentist, doctor, and wallet! (hard headed) At first I noticed no difference, in fact I was even worse. Slowly, however, I started to sleep again. Then I started to dream again...I hadn't slept in years. I would normally drug myself out for a very disturbed sleep at best. Sleeping again was such a blessing! My gums, which were always inflamed in spots and receedeing in those spots became pink and healthy. I also noticed that they didn't bleed any more when I brushed my teeth. Prior to that, they always bled...I thought that was normal for me. Not an overly scientific experiment, as I don't really desire to put the amalgam back in to observe the results...just my observation. I believe the toxin released by the mercury along with that of the Lyme Spirochete was just too much for my system to deal with. Jeff - K1LE (Time is just nature's way to keep everything from happening at once.) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMercury and Gold (was Melting Silver)
Thanks Chuck and everyone for the info on melting silver. Yes, I finally broke down and bought myself leathers last year while working under my truck rebuilding the frame. I don't mind setting myself on fire once in a while, but working overhead caused the frequency to be way too high!!! Jeff Charles King wrote: snip If you're using oxy-acetelyne I assume you're protecting your face and hands and body with leather, shield and wool. (No sandals). Chuck -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSNow I know why...
Hi Donna, Do you mean H2O2 in the ears? I think it's worth a shot. Even if it only fights off other colds that make the Lyme symptoms more difficult to take. In fact, I'll try it too. Let me know how you make out. The CS seems to be noticeably helping me. Jeff donna2...@aol.com wrote: Jeff, I wonder if this would help with lyme in anyway. Maybe I should give this a try. Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSAmalgam fillings (was Melting Silver etc)
hfreeman wrote: snip My dentist, who is also a good friend, is very much a believer in removing silver/mercury fillings. Mine were all replaced 15 years ago. Guess what...he is now in the midst of a long and costly court battle to have his license removed! There is a heavy price to be paid for doing what you believe in, if that doesn't happen to coincide with the ADA! snip The same is true with Lyme Disease. The doctors that treat it end up with their head on the chopping block...they either lose their license or have their practice limited. There are approximately 2 doctors that will treat Lyme in CT. Lyme literate MD's usually take no insurance either. And the great Lyme Vaccine is deadly. I know many people that are chronically ill from the vaccine. When they report this to their Dr. the response is usually something like, the vaccine just couldn't do that or it's all in your head, here take some of these. Thus, adverse reactions don't get reported and the Dr goes on to make big bucks, by making no waves...and the vaccine appears effective. Everyone is happy but the patient. The patient's life is ruined and he's told that he is nuts! Sorry to go off topic...I'm just frustrated by the corruption that appears everywhere I look these days. I feel better now. Jeff - K1LE -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSMelting Silver
I have been experimenting with larger electrodes. I would like to melt several pieces of 999 silver into one large flat piece. I plan to melt them on a sheet of stainless, using an oxy acet torch. Can anyone tell me if this would cause contamination of the silver, such that it would not be optimum for CS generation? Would there be a better material to use to accomplish this process? My initial experiments showed that the stainless got cherry red as the silver reached a temp where it would flow. Possibly I just need to heat it more slowly. Any comments are much appreciated. God Bless, Jeff K1LE - CT -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: HVAC PPM was (CScuriouser and curiouser...)
Chuck, I know that you use HVAC to generate CS. My question is: How do you vary the ppm concentration? If I understand correctly, the process is stopped when the cone turnes into an arc. I tried this with 10kv and the product was grey with obvious fallout. Thanks, Jeff K1LE - CT Charles King wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:00:36 +0200, O2 Communication o2c...@global.co.za wrote: ... and I recently made a strong batch for my daughter to soak her feet in for plantars warts - using normal tap water. What a scary-looking product we have - it started out milky / cloudy and has over the past two days turned a vicious purplish colour and quite opaque. Do you think this is safe for external use?!! Yvonne If you're using tap water, remember that the brewing time is cut down drastically. Usually about 3 to 5 minutes for a glassful! Chuck I don't care if I'm a lemming, I'm still not going -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMercury and Gold (was Melting Silver)
So does this mean it is ok to melt silver on a stainless steel surface? Someone mentioned pyrex. Would that take the heat without cracking? I tried a glazed ceramic tile and ended up with broken-tile-silver-soup! Jeff (How will you spend eternity -- Smoking or Nonsmoking?) Trem Williams wrote: Sorry Dennis but you're wrong too. The miners used mercury to amalgamate the gold. That means to make the gold stick to the mercury or vice versa. They would rub a generous amount of mercury on clean copper sheets and place the sheets in their sluice boxes. When the gravel, sand, mud and water passed through the box, the gold and any noble metals would stick to the plate. At the end of the day they would then remove the plate and use a squeegee to wipe the gold and other metals stuck to the mercury off the plate. They would then wring the mercury out through a sheet of chamois. The mercury would pass through the chamois leaving the metal in an amalgamated lump in the chamois. They would then drive the mercury off the lump by using heat and what was left was the metal that had been trapped in the mercury. They then separated the gold from other metals using different techniques. One of the basic ones was to heat the metal lump in a crucible with some antimony. Antimony is called the wolf in alchemical terms. That is because it eats all metals EXCEPT gold. It flies off in the form of dense white smoke and carries all metals except gold with it. The gold left behind is considered pure. If there was a lot of silver in the mix, they would use other processes to get it and would not use antimony because the silver would be lost. But if there was little metal other than gold, the antimony process was favored for it's simplicity. Gold and all noble metals stick to mercury; they do not dissolve in mercury. They can always be separated from mercury by heat. It's called distillation if you recover the mercury. It's called flashing off if you let the mercury go into the atmosphere. Hope this clears the subject up to your satisfaction.
Re: CSNow I know why...
Marsha, Have you tried the H202 in the ears...I've suggested to friends and am getting good reports. God Bless You, Jeff K1LE East Lyme CT Marsha Hallett wrote: Dear Listers, Today my intrepid son went to get me some Comtrex for my nasty cough, and a set of fresh batteries. He even made up the new CS for me. I just poured my old batch into a clear glass. It is clear, NO Tyndall! New batch is golden with distinct Tyndall. Now I know why I just spent a miserable 10 days in spite of slugging down lots of what I thought was CS... `twas nought but distilled water. snip -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: epinephrine
Good point. This med is for emergency treatment of anaphylactic reactions that are progressing to the life threatening stage. Bennadrill is much safer if time allows. Overdose of epinephrine can cause fatal heart arrhythmia. On the other hand, it can also save a life. Last winter I gave one of my dogs her annual vaccines. It was a Sunday night during a snowstorm. Shortly after she began showing signs of anaphylactosis. I called the vet and discussed the situation. I told her that I had epinephrine, and she replied that we will only use that as a last ditch effort, after we discuss and agree on it. So I drove one hour each way in a blinding snowstorm and paid a premium to get a DVM on a Sunday evening in a snowstorm, plus an over night stay. So much for saving money by administering vaccines at home! Jeff deat...@aol.com wrote: epinephrine Re: Joe Fleck's request Joe: I wouldn't tell you where to find it even if I knew - that stuff can be fatal if not taken properly AND causes permanent heart damage not to mention your libido - eventually - happy uh Snip -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSLOW OR HIGH VOLTAGE?
I am experimenting with 120vac with a bridge rectifier. I have a resistance decade box in series with the raw DC output of the bridge. I monitor the current with a DVM. I've been using a quart measuring cup with distilled water. Electrodes are about 6 apart. I keep the current around 1 to 1.5 ma. I let it run over night. The product is light golden and darkens within a day or two. Don't know what it is, but it sure helps. My electrodes are made up of 999 silver coin shape. I tacked 2 of them together with an oxy-acet torch. (no filler, just silver) I believe the larger surface area is beneficial. I've tried higher currents and shorter durations. The product becomes golden quicker. I haven't popped the cork on any of this though, to see how I respond to it. Jeff (The sacrificial human experiment) 2001 TV VCR wrote: I have not seen anyone discuss the best method for making high quality CS. One of the manufacturers of high voltage (10,000 volts AC) CS generators claims that the low voltage (30 volts DC) systems are worthless. I have been using 30VDC first using thin silver wires and a 16 oz. jar and now a gallon jar with a much larger silver electrode. Without current limiting most of the silver ends up on the cathode (negative electrode). Some of you suggested limiting the current to a milliamp or so and going for quite a few hours. Can some of you offer more opinions and suggestions along these lines. Let us know what type of equipment and voltages/currents you are working with if getting good results. It is so important that all of us end up with CS that is effective and safe to use. If any of you have questions about electrical or electronic circuits involving you CS equipment I can help. Bil Green 2001 TV VCR -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSAnimal grade ABX; anti-biotics' applications
In speaking with people that work in the animal division at Pfizer I tend to get the feeling that they produce a high quality product. I wouldn't be without a bottle of BP48 in the frig. I have a pair of German Shepherd bitches that have wanted to kill each other from day one. The BP48 has saved me many trips to the vet and associated $$$! I've also used it on myself, for months on end, to keep the Lyme Disease at bay. As I mentioned, epinephrine is good to have on hand. Bennidrill is also good for mild allergic reactions. And H2O2 is invaluable for stopping infections as well as chemically neutralizing skunk spray. I guess this is a good time to make sure your Y2K med chest is complete. Some sort of oral tetracycline is also good to have on hand. This combined with flagyl seems to be very effective against Lyme. It was just very hard to take...flat on my back and severely ill. When I stopped I would slowly regain my strength, and could then see improvement. CS seems to be just as effective without the toxic side effects. I can eat and not feel nauseous all of the time. Today I picked up 5 loads of fire wood in my truck! Though I'm herxing a bunch and am far from cured, I am more hopeful than I've been in many years. Thank God for CS and the great folks on this list! Jeff - K1LE J. wrote: Jeff, thank you very much! *and others too). Excellent comments, lots'a invaluable info! Much appreciated. I'm wondering if Canadian Vet standards meet or exceed the U.S.' standards (such as the 'USP') that was mentioned, when it comes to animal ABX. Also, there are several types of ABX out there, each more qualified for certain symptomologies, etc. - Any info/ suggestions there? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSAnimal grade ABX
I don't usually share this, but seeing as you asked...Yes, in many cases the animal grade is as good as the human grade. Sometimes it is even better controlled, because there is often a slaughter restriction time associated with the medication. This assures that it is out of the meat prior to human consumption. I've used certain veterinary injectables for Lyme disease. This was out of desperation when insurance failed to cover the therapy. The effect (herx) was exactly the same as experienced with the human grade. The major difference was cost (1/30th)! Words of caution: I don't endorse or encourage the off label use of any product. When injecting anything it is always possible to have an anaphylactic reaction and die. Failing to aspirate the syringe can result in a vascular injection which can also kill you quickly. Some animal meds are extremely irritating and not fit for use...unless you plan to go to slaughter where they cut that part out! That said, Pfizer BP48 is good to have in the frig, along with 3cc or 6cc monoject syringes. 25ga needles will work and they are small (my dogs like them best). It is hard to draw it up through a 25ga. What I do is put an 18ga in the bottle draw through it, remove the syringe, cap the needle hub, and leave the 18ga needle in the bottle. Then I install the 25ga needle on the syringe and do the injection. You can use the 25ga needle for both, but is hard to draw through and it dulls it a little when you pierce the rubber cap on the bottle. (the dogs dont like this!) Also, a bottle of epinephrine (cheep) in the frig is good to have, for many reasons. A very small syringe is what you want for this, as the dose is small. Jeff J. wrote: Speaking of antibiotics availability and Y2K, any idea if, since it's likely that drug prescriptions will be few and far between next year, Penicillin G for animals could safely be used on humans? Available now without a prescription. It is injectible... other such anti-biotics for animals are also readily available (for the time being) without a prescription. See the following link for an example of PenG for animals: http://www.lambriarvet.com/catalog/antibiotics4.htm I realize there are dosage and allergy concerns, but since it is termed sterile is it safe in humans, does anyone know? - Serious replies please! thanx -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSLyme Herxing Duration Question?
Hi Nicole I've had Lyme Disease for about 10 years, tried many different antibiotic therapies, without success. Recently I began making my own CS and I've been taking it for about 12 days now. I have no clue as to the concentration I'm making, however, I am adjusting various parameters while making it, and monitoring the effect a given batch has on my symptoms. A few days after starting CS my symptoms flared. I was taking a cup per day in 3 doses. The flair-up was not hard to take and I started to see improvement. Friday and Saturday were the two best days I've had in many, many years. Yesterday I popped the cork on a fresh brew, which I had made with large surface area electrodes and longer time. I downed a cup of that. I hardly slept last night and I feel very sick today. My fingers are all cramped up, my brain feels like mush, and I just feel like crawling off in the corner somewhere. This is some good stuff!!! I didn't take any today and I think I'll back off on the dose tomorrow. As to your question of how long the herx should last, theory is that the flair-up is caused by toxins released from spirochetal die-off. These toxins are what causes the Lyme symptoms. When you kill the bug you get it's entire load of toxin released into your system. I liken it to shooting a skunk! If all goes well, the cyclic flair-ups should become less severe and you will have more good days. I can't say how long that will take. Recently on a combination chemo I went through 6 weeks of torture and regained my peripheral vision. I tried to do it again to gain more ground, but I just couldn't stand the toxicity. I also feel CS will be much more effective than pharmaceuticals. I have also had the hearing problems that you mention to include: tinitus, hearing loss, temporary total hearing loss in one ear, hypersensitivity, ringing, hissing, buzzing, etc. It seems to be improving and I believe, is reversible. Since I started CS I also notice much less fatigue. I have been living on dextroamphetamine for years, just to get through the day. Over the last week I've cut my dose to 1/3. My goal is to rid myself of the half dozen pills I take to get through the day, and get completely well. With God's help I will get there. I wish you the best in your recovery. Keep us informed on how you're progressing. There are many that have been banished to the prison of Lyme Disease that are desperately seeking relief, and hearing stories of success can be very up lifting. God Bless, Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part!
Bill Schramm wrote: I have no problem with slightly off topic postings particularly when related to alternative medicine. But threatening email chain letters (send this on or else) are another matter. This is worse than spam, it is spam with botulism. This type of posting should be banned and its source reprimanded. Snipage Since you sent it on too, Bill, let us know how your luck goes! Jeff (OD-ing on CS :-) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part!
Sam Earle wrote: DELETE THIS CRAP IMMEDIATELY. IT IS SUPERSTITIOUS, FEAR-BASED CHAIN LETTERING AT ITS WORST! IF YOU READ IT AND ATTEMPT TO DENY ITS POWER YOU WILL CONVINCE YOURSELF IT'S REAL. (end scream) Be well. Sam - Original Message - Snip Let's see...now three people have forwarded it. Keep us posted on how things are going folks!!! I can't take a chance on forwarding it. If things got any better I'd get scared! Seriously, I very greatful to the people on this list for helping me to get going with CS. After 10 years of Lyme and loads of antibiotics, I'm seeing improvements that I haven't felt in years. To God be the glory! Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSLyme CS
This morning I am responding to my own post. I have started to herx...ears hissing, vision blurry, stiff and sore. Guess this CS really does have activity against Lyme! But, why am I happy to feel worse??!!! :-) I think I'll stick with a current limited DC setup. Letting it run overnight seems to make very clean CS with no fallout or settling. In addition, with Lyme Brain, I'd better leave the HV alone for now! My DC power supply that I am experimenting with seems to work well. I connected an AC line cord to a rectifier bridge, with a resistor in each leg of the bridge output. The resistors limit the current to a few mills short circuit to keep shock hazard down. The higher voltage gets things started faster and the resistance keeps the current less than one mill. I also noticed that the buildup on the cathode will cling to the cathode if I leave it energized while I remove it from the electrolyte. If I de-energize or disconnect the cathode, some of the buildup falls into the electrolyte. Just an interesting observation. Any comments are welcome. Gob Bless, Jeff - K1LE Jeffrey A. Madore wrote: I am currently experimenting with CS for central nervous system Lyme Disease. I'm looking for personal experiences as to dose rate and results. I made my first batch of CS a few days ago. I used a pint measureing cup, round (coin shaped) 999 silver electrodes spaced 4 apart in distilled water. I used a 12vdc supply and measured the starting current at about 0.12ma. I let it run for 15 hrs and ended up with a final current of 1.5ma. There was no sediment, there was significant treeing at the cathode, and electrolyte was lightly golden. It then darkened more after a day or two. It had a slightly bitter taste. So, I drank a few tablespoons. No noticeable effect. The next day I took 1/4 cup...no noticeable effect. The next day I drank the rest of the jar...no noticeable effect. My question is: I normally herx on antidiotics. What and when should I expect some effect? I just made another batch in a quart jar, electrodes spaced 5 apart. I let it run about 36 hours and limited the current to 1.5ma. This is a little darker and tastes a bit more bitter. Another thing I noticed is that stirring had little effect on electrolyte conductivity. I believe this is due to the low voltage and slow process, and possibly the wide electrode spacing. I also tried a small batch using 10kv AC. I noticed the cone effect. Arcing started within 1 hour. The product is light grey. What does that sound like? In this process, how close to the surface is the electrode uaually spaced? I was set to about 1/8 Is there any advantage in rectifying the 10kv? or in going higher in voltage? One last question: Is flat DC advantageous over raw DC? Any comments are appreciated. I'm falling asleep, too tired for spell check, so I better turn in! God Bless, Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS- Well bacteria
Usually a well is shocked with chlorox, pumped for a while and then tested. The well cap should provide a seal that keeps bugs out also. If there is still bacteria present, I might abandon it. The alternative may be looking for the source. Sometimes a septic system can drain to underground rock formations and into a vein of water that then contaminates your well. This can sometimes be solved by going deeper with the steel well casing, and thus blocking a shallow vein of contamination from running into the well. When it comes to the water that you drink, I like to be very careful. I just dug a shallow well in fine sand and the water is a gift from heaven! I abandoned my deep well. Deep wells in underground aquifers can cary toxins a long way. With the shallow well, I control the surrounding area and can prevent contamination. I'll tie this to CS: If things go bad for Y2K, I plan to put my chain link dog kennel around the well, and some electric fence insulators and wire on the well cover. Then I'll connect my 20kv, homebrew CS generator transformer to the wire on the cover, and my well will be...so to speak...covered. I'll freely give of what I have to anyone in need, but first they have to ask nicely! Jeff Deborah IN TEXAS wrote: I friend has newly drilled well the has tested to have E-coli. After reading that Silver impregnanted ceramic elements are suppose to filter out E-coli, would CS possible be something that the well itself could be treated with? Deborah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSPolarity switching
Since polarity switching seems advantageous, has anyone experimented with, or have any thoughts on the use of low voltage 60Hz AC for generating CS? Thank you, Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V99 #669
Hi Chuck, Thanks so much for your response. One last question: In generating CS with HVAC, is the positioning of the above water electrode verticle, such that the gap is between the end of the electrode and the water? Or, is the above water electrode horizontal and parallel with the water surface? Would anyone know the quickest way to get .999 silver? Thanks again, Jeff (After 10 years with Lyme, if all is not lost, where is it? ) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:25:34 -0400 From: Charles King ck...@global2000.net To: k...@uconect.net, silver-list@eskimo.com On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:40:31 -0400, Jeffrey A. Madore k...@uconect.net wrote: Hi Chuck, I had a few questions about your HVAC configuration and would really appreciate your assistance: First of all, search the archive, 'cause what I know was learned from threads I picked up on the list. Can you describe the positioning of the electrodes? On my setup, one electrode is immersed and coiled on the bottom of the jug. The other is suspended above the surface of the water by approx 1/16 What type of jug are you using? (wide mouth? etc) Yes, wide mouth, approx 3/4 gal. What ppm did you achieve with the 9kv setup? Have no idea. It's effective, that's all I really care about. If you need that kind of info, samples can be sent to Bob Berger on the list. He's got the proper equipment. The TDS1 will not measure ppm of colloidal silver. Bummer,'cause it only cost $15. Do you see an advantage with HVAC vs LVDC? Seem easier to control particle size, and I make a batch that lasts a month or more all at once. Nothing wrong with LVDC, I enjoy mad science! Where do you buy silver and what shape is best ie. wire, bar, etc? Get it from Marsha on the list. Then you won't have to go for a $25 minimum. I have a pair of 10kv oil burner ignition transformers that I want to try. I was considering using them both (series secondary) to produce 20kv. Although I may start out with just one. Can you tell me what the configuration would look like. I guess I'm confused as to the electrode placement in the water, the cone effect, etc. As above. The cone happens when you turn on the juice. The water will rise to meet the suspended electrode. If it drops off, arcing will occur. I don't know if thats good or bad. It would happen on a straight run (no resistance in the circuit) after about 2 hrs. I would end the run then. My sol would be a light golden color, indicating satisfactory small particle size. The water would be hot. Knock yourself out! Your working with high voltage. All safety precautions apply. I am only relating my experiences, you're on your own! I am posting this to the list, as I believe it is of general interest! Chuck -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V99 #668
Hi Chuck, Thanks so much for your response. One last question: In generating CS with HVAC, is the positioning of the above water electrode verticle, such that the gap is between the end of the electrode and the water? Or, is the above water electrode horizontal and parallel with the water surface? Would anyone know the quickest way to get .999 silver? Thanks again, Jeff (After 10 years with Lyme, if all is not lost, where is it? ) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:25:34 -0400 From: Charles King ck...@global2000.net To: k...@uconect.net, silver-list@eskimo.com On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:40:31 -0400, Jeffrey A. Madore k...@uconect.net wrote: Hi Chuck, I had a few questions about your HVAC configuration and would really appreciate your assistance: First of all, search the archive, 'cause what I know was learned from threads I picked up on the list. Can you describe the positioning of the electrodes? On my setup, one electrode is immersed and coiled on the bottom of the jug. The other is suspended above the surface of the water by approx 1/16 What type of jug are you using? (wide mouth? etc) Yes, wide mouth, approx 3/4 gal. What ppm did you achieve with the 9kv setup? Have no idea. It's effective, that's all I really care about. If you need that kind of info, samples can be sent to Bob Berger on the list. He's got the proper equipment. The TDS1 will not measure ppm of colloidal silver. Bummer,'cause it only cost $15. Do you see an advantage with HVAC vs LVDC? Seem easier to control particle size, and I make a batch that lasts a month or more all at once. Nothing wrong with LVDC, I enjoy mad science! Where do you buy silver and what shape is best ie. wire, bar, etc? Get it from Marsha on the list. Then you won't have to go for a $25 minimum. I have a pair of 10kv oil burner ignition transformers that I want to try. I was considering using them both (series secondary) to produce 20kv. Although I may start out with just one. Can you tell me what the configuration would look like. I guess I'm confused as to the electrode placement in the water, the cone effect, etc. As above. The cone happens when you turn on the juice. The water will rise to meet the suspended electrode. If it drops off, arcing will occur. I don't know if thats good or bad. It would happen on a straight run (no resistance in the circuit) after about 2 hrs. I would end the run then. My sol would be a light golden color, indicating satisfactory small particle size. The water would be hot. Knock yourself out! Your working with high voltage. All safety precautions apply. I am only relating my experiences, you're on your own! I am posting this to the list, as I believe it is of general interest! Chuck
Re: CSHV AC/DC Tech Questions
Hi Bob List Thanks for the information and your experience with 380vdc. I will also try the lower voltage method that you mention. Would I be correct in saying that anything that increases the current density seems to result in larger particles. I'm thinking about charging lead acid batteries, and how excessive current damages the plates and results in sludge at the bottom. So, anything that increases current flow (impurities in water or increased voltage) would result in speeding up the operation at the expence of generating larger particles. Would it then be bennifical to use electrodes with a larger surface area? Thanks for the HV warning! I've also worked with industrial power generation equipment and have a healthy respect for the damage it can cause. The 20kv supply that I mentioned is current limited thus, it wont produce enough to ionize much air, resulting in a lightning bolt! I get about a 2 arc max. I must admit, there's just something about high voltage that excites me! One other question (pardon my ignorance) What coming disaster? God Bless, Jeff - K1LE Bob wrote: Jeff; snip Lvdc (28-36v) makes excellent CS, if you use continually stirring and polarity switching solves the cathode treeing and reduces the sludge. snip If you are not properly trained in high voltage then stay away from it. It can kill or burn your house down. (during my nine year in Centrally America I ran an electrical utility, and I know high voltage hazards.) The first time you draw an two foot arc with that 20 Kv it will scare the hell out of you. I plan on one more entry in this is then I must check out to get ready for the coming disasters. Ole Bob
CSHV AC/DC Tech Questions
Hi folks, My name is Jeff. I believe I've posted only once or twice before and I very much appreciate the helpful replies. I've been down flat with Lyme Disease lately so have been mostly reading the mail. I have a few questions pertaining to CS generating that I would appreciate your opinions on. I'm planning to use HVAC at 20KV for my generator. My understanding is that the typical setup consists of one electrode in the water and the other slightly above the water by some dimension. The electrode that is not in contact with the water, is it parallel to the water or is it vertical with the gap between it's end and the water? How large a volume of water is most practical with this type of setup? I noticed the use of higher voltages in DC setups...I believe approximately 380V. Can you tell me the advantage of the higher voltage? I assume both electrodes are submerged? Would there be more of an advantage in using even higher DC voltages, say 1kv or more? Thank you for assistance. May God Bless you all! Respectfully, Jeff Madore K1LE - CT -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS information needed
Hi all. My name is Jeff and I am new to the silver list. I have Chronic CNS Lyme Disease, have tried many antibiotic routines with limited success, and am interested in making and experimenting with colloidal silver. Please bear with me as I am relatively uninformed as to the production, use and efficacy of CS. I have some questions that some of you may be able to help me with. 1. What exactly is the form of silver, that I am looking to produce, that is an effective antibiotic? I'd like to understand the science. It appears that colloidal silver consists of silver particles held in solution. Are these particles just extremely small or does their ionic state maintain them within the solution, such that the solution is fairly homogeneous? 2. I hear of precipitate forming on the bottom of the container while brewing. Is this due to excessive current density, as seen in a lead acid cell, that causes flaking of the electrodes. Would the use of electrodes with a larger surface area be more effective in this process. 3. I hear of many different voltages being used. When HVAC is used, is the voltage applied to the electrodes AC? If so, what is the advantage of using AC vs DC. 4. I have, or can put together from parts, sources that will put out AC or DC at voltages from 0 to 20 kv or more...probably could go higher if I put my mind to it, and am experienced in working with HV supplies. Where would be a good place to begin? Can someone describe a typical setup? 5. I understand that the conductivity of the electrolyte increases during the process. Should some form of current limiting be employed, such that the voltage is reduced, to avoide excessive current density? Is natural convection of the electrolyte sufficient to maintain an even current density? 6. Must both electrodes consist of silver? It would seem that if direct current were utilized, one electrode could be stainless steel, as the flow of current would be in one direction only and therefore, the polarity could be set such that the silver only, would be depleted during the process. 7. Is the higher concentration (PPM) silver more effective in treating an infection? I have seen numbers ranging from a few ppm to many hundreds of ppm. And, is there a point where the concentration / dose has shown toxicity when taken internally? I guess this is a good start. Any and all information would be very much appreciated. Jeff - K1LE CT -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHigh Concentration HVAC CS
There are a couple of possible electrical paths here that may have caused you to experience a shock. 1. Resistance - Glass is a fine insulator, however, there is no perfect insulator. Higher voltages require more insulation. Though the leakage at any one point on the jar may be small, adding the foil to the side, in effect, creates a number of parallel resistive paths and thus the possibility for more current flow. 2. Capacitance - Since the supply voltage is AC, capacitance plays a role in apparent current flow through an insulator. In applying the foil to the side of the jar, you create a capacitor; the foil being one plate, the glass being the dielectric, and the conductive liquid in the jar being the other plate. Because the polarity of the power source is changing at a 60 cycle rate, the electrical potential on the aluminum foil tries to change at that rate. Thus it is always trying to take on or give up electrons. If given a path, these electrons will flow. If that path is through your body, and the electron flow is sufficient, you will sense an electrical shock. The amount of the current available from the source will determine the severity of that shock. I have found, with high voltage, you can't be too careful! God Bless, Jeff K1LE CT I took the shiny (unoxidized) side of aluminum foil and wrapped it around the glass vessel, careful to keep it out of contact with the electrodes. In spite of these precautions I experienced a definite electrical shock while in contact with the foil wrapped around the glass. The foil was not in contact with anything other than glass. (I was hoping to see a reflection of the laser illuminate the silver in solution). I am using a 15kv HVAC CS unit -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
