Re: CS>Waterwise?
Kit, I have an EcoPure distiller made by Waterwise and it does a pretty poor job of purifying water. My Pure Water meter reads between 4 and 5 when I measure the water distilled by my unit. Apparently a lot of store bought distilled water measures 2 or less. Paul Kit wrote:I just got a heads up on home distilling. When checking the archives I didn't come across much on the brand I'm using. And, I don't have a meter. Has anyone taken any readings on the Waterwise (1 gal. per 4 hrs, BTW)? ...or any other comments? Thanks, Kit -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: CS>Water Oz
Hello, Your questions probably are off topic and that's probably why no one is responding. But I am interested because I sell their products at my health food store. I wish I had some answers for you. Again I will ask you which products you got benefit from and what were the benefits? Thanks, Paul a rose by any other name wrote:If she does respond please share anything that she will let you share with us... still no response to the process...is there any heat extraction, crystallization or what ever involved...or is is simple chemical extraction...and is it anyone's best guess it is chloride? And is that all we have, best guesses??? I was told by an employee there that a doctor took the minerals to the same lab that does lab work for MD Anderson Cancer Hospital in Houston, Texas. The lab supposedly verified that there were indeed minerals in the water by one test, and that indeed they were completely water soluble because even under the highest magnification the mineral particles could not be seen. Now, is this possible? I do not have the scientific background to know if this kind of statement is even a possible truth...or to the educated scientific mind this would immediately be seen as a hoax. I do know that when it was brought up on the list that the ppm's on the silver had been reduced from 150 to 100 that I called and inquired as to why. The woman I always deal with whom I would call friend, said she was given no explanation. I said is that no odd, but she had not questioned it. Just like when I tried to get the list of the 70 or 80+ minerals in Water of Life...if they know that there are that many minerals in there then surely there must be a list somewhere of the minerals. Otherwise, how would you know. I am perplexed at the lack of information I am able to get. I was told that they used to publish the names of the labs that tested their product but the labs requested they no longer be listed as they were getting too many inquiry calls from the general public. At first I believed all of this...but now I have questions. There are so many things I cannot get answers to. If they are using a chloride, is that safe with gold, copper, iron etc...again, do not have the background to know. If anyone can shed any light on this, even in a pm if this is getting off topic (is it?) I would most appreciate any information. thanks so much... a rose _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD
Re: CS>swilled liquor or water for pigs?
Corbin, When I heard the name, the first thing that popped into my head was pigs. Swig doesn't seem to be a very good fit either. I would rethink the name. And, you might want to pay someone a few bucks to rewrite your homepage. It needs some serious help. Also, selling 4 oz of Sovereign Silver for $40 seems a little pricey since the MSRP is $24. Hope this helps. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD
Re: CS>CS & DMSO/MSM
Rod Stevenson wrote: >True, they are not the same thing, in the same way that caffeine and guarana are ooh so similar... but my understanding is that DMSO, DMSA and MSM all >become the same thing within the body. Yes, they become sulfur in the body (not sure about DMSA) and, according to Beth Ley, PhD, they produce the same effects. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD
CS>CS & DMSO/MSM
Regarding the use of DMSO with CS, I assume the delivery action would be the same with MSM as DMSO as they are virtually the same substance with the same effects. Anyone have any insight into this? I mix my CS with MSM. Thanks, Paul - Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD
Re: CS>Water Oz
Marsha, I would really like to know the specifics about your friend contracting Argyria. Do you think they would be willing to share the details? Specifically, I would like to know: 1. How much of the product they were using and for how long before they contracted Argyria. 2. Have they ever used any other silver products and if so, what brand, when (i.e. just before starting with Wateroz), how much and for how long. 3. Have they ever tried a heavy metal detox or used supplements such as Vitamin E and Selenium to get rid of the Argyria. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Paul mamapug wrote:Water Oz gave a friend of mine argyria. Just thought you`d like to know. Marshalee > Thanks for your post... > > I have asked so many times the process, but the sales department seems to be > kept totally in the dark...stories of being heated to a crystalline state is > as far as I can get...some company at one time trying to do a hostile take > over to get their process...and when I try to get a list of the 70/80 + > minerals in Water of Life there is no list... > > Mind you, I have been using the products and some of them seem quite good, > ie calcium/mag... > > but some of the other things I was looking for have not happened...I have a > shelf full and will give it one more go... > > Would be most interested in any information anyone has on it... > > last time I asked I got a private message to buy someone else's > product...super duper silver...and that is definitely not what I am looking > for... > > I want concrete information... > > if they are using a chemical, what is the best guess it is(the chloride > thing ?)...and what effect would it have on someone taking it...and how > effective would it make the mineral... > > and does it constitute a huge ruse... > > anyone know... > > thanks, > a rose > > > > > > _ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > - Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com - Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
C Creel wrote: > This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw >incorrect >conclusions. I totally agree. I think it would be narrow-minded to consider all of those diseases as caused by one bacteria, virus, whatever. For example, MS and other neurological disease has been linked to heavy metal poisoning. And what about those people who don't get results from using CS? Could it be that there is a toxin causing the problem such as heavy metals, pcb's, etc. and not mycoplasma? Again, I think we need to be very careful about making claims without having very strong evidence as to their validity. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD
CS>Water Oz
FYI, I just talked to the chemist @ WaterOz who makes their liquid minerals including the silver and he confirmed that they do use a chemical to make their products. He wouldn't tell me what chemical they used though. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
Re: CS>Trem, Please Post the Story
Trem wrote:Hi Nancy, Thanks for making the distinction clear. I wasn't up to speed on MS symptom terminology. I got another written testimonial yesterday about CS and MS relief from symptoms. Another wonderful message. Anybody want to read it? Trem - Original Message - From: "MARIANO DELISE" To: Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 11:09 PM Subject: Re: CS>CS Elimination > The two types of MS would be relapsing/remitting and the second is > progressive. I have had both relapsing remitting for 34 years which then > became progressive in 1995. I agree with everything below.. > Nancy DeLise > - Original Message - > From: "Trem" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: CS>CS Elimination > > > > Hi List, > > > > There's been some discussion about the effectiveness if CS on MS recently. > > Let me throw one anecdotal story out for those who may want to consider > > using CS to treat it. > > > > Apparently there are two types of MS. One type has bad bouts associated > > with it and then apparent spontaneous but not quite full recovery. So the > > bouts are > > very bad but they do not stay that way. Over time each bout leaves the > > person a little further down. I have a customer with progressive non > > remissive type MS (type 2). They go steadily downhill and do not recover. > > It is a steady slide. > > > > This person (female) was an R.N. and was diagnosed about 4 1/2 years ago > at > > age 26. She is now 30. She had deteriorated to the stage of using a > > walker, was incontinent, was very weak on her left side and had no control > > of her right foot. She had been unable to work for a few years. > > > > In February 1, 2002 she started taking CS made with one of our units. She > > started at 32 ounces a day. She reduced that amount after 6 weeks to 16 > > ounces a day because she was experiencing what she considered a recovery. > > She regained the strength on her left side, her right foot became > completely > > usable, > > she stopped using the walker and her incontinence went away except for an > > occasional slip. She then returned to work as a nurse. > > > > She has been on the same regimen since then except she says she began to > > backslide occasionally and forget to take the CS, thinking it wasn't > > necessary > > because she felt so good or for whatever reason. Whenever she stopped or > > didn't take enough she says she could feel it beginning to recur so she > is > > now > > back to taking it on a regular basis. > > > > She has not had an MRI since starting the CS but I understand she will > > be having one in February of 2003 to see how the lesions are doing (or > not). > > I expect to hear of the results and will post them when I hear the > results. > > > > She used a PWT meter to determine the strength. She was using the SG6 > > and was making it at about 15 PPM. > > > > I feel the upshot here istake plenty.not a tablespoon at a time. > > Every person > > that has told me of their recovery from life threatening diseases use > large > > amounts. > > And I can knock your socks off with some of the first hand accounts in my > > arsenal. > > All anecdotal of course > > > > I have many such anecdotal stories and all of them involved an aggressive > > regimen. > > My personal opinion is that a small amount taken daily is probably a good > > preventative > > but will not be effective when one has to really get after a disease. I > > have > > been taking an ounce a day for about 5 years and haven't had any colds, > flu > > or > > infections. However if I were to become ill the first thing I would do is > > go all out > > and use it as drinking water until the bugs had disappeared. > > > > I hope this helps anyone that's interested. > > > > Trem > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > - Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
Re: CS>Trem's Story + Testimony
Trem, Thanks for posting that story. I felt better just reading it. Have any of the people you know that were taking large quantities for long periods developed argyria? Now for more good news. Every year in the fall I get bad dandruff. The dryer it gets, the worse my scalp flakes. This year started out no different until I started spraying my scalp with CS. In 2 days the flaking and itching are almost completely gone. Wow! This stuff is great. Paul Trem wrote: Hi List, There's been some discussion about the effectiveness if CS on MS recently. Let me throw one anecdotal story out for those who may want to consider using CS to treat it. Apparently there are two types of MS. One type has bad bouts associated with it and then apparent spontaneous but not quite full recovery. So the bouts are very bad but they do not stay that way. Over time each bout leaves the person a little further down. I have a customer with progressive non remissive type MS (type 2). They go steadily downhill and do not recover. It is a steady slide. This person (female) was an R.N. and was diagnosed about 4 1/2 years ago at age 26. She is now 30. She had deteriorated to the stage of using a walker, was incontinent, was very weak on her left side and had no control of her right foot. She had been unable to work for a few years. In February 1, 2002 she started taking CS made with one of our units. She started at 32 ounces a day. She reduced that amount after 6 weeks to 16 ounces a day because she was experiencing what she considered a recovery. She regained the strength on her left side, her right foot became completely usable, she stopped using the walker and her incontinence went away except for an occasional slip. She then returned to work as a nurse. She has been on the same regimen since then except she says she began to backslide occasionally and forget to take the CS, thinking it wasn't necessary because she felt so good or for whatever reason. Whenever she stopped or didn't take enough she says she could feel it beginning to recur so she is now back to taking it on a regular basis. She has not had an MRI since starting the CS but I understand she will be having one in February of 2003 to see how the lesions are doing (or not). I expect to hear of the results and will post them when I hear the results. She used a PWT meter to determine the strength. She was using the SG6 and was making it at about 15 PPM. I feel the upshot here istake plenty.not a tablespoon at a time. Every person that has told me of their recovery from life threatening diseases use large amounts. And I can knock your socks off with some of the first hand accounts in my arsenal. All anecdotal of course I have many such anecdotal stories and all of them involved an aggressive regimen. My personal opinion is that a small amount taken daily is probably a good preventative but will not be effective when one has to really get after a disease. I have been taking an ounce a day for about 5 years and haven't had any colds, flu or infections. However if I were to become ill the first thing I would do is go all out and use it as drinking water until the bugs had disappeared. I hope this helps anyone that's interested. Trem -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails
Laura, >Are you battling a particular illness as reason to take 16-32 oz per day? I have had MS-like symptoms for 5 years. >That seems like a lot of CS. When I joined the list I felt reassured that some people had been taking 8oz per day for long periods safely. I'm not afraid of the CS I make at home but I have a healthy respect for it. I don't think I've ever taken more than 4oz in one day under any circumstances. It depends on the ppm. In terms of how much actual silver you are ingesting, taking 8 oz of 20 ppm would be the same as taking 32 oz of 5 ppm (which is what I assumed I was taking based on the mfg's claim). >Did WaterOz give a recommended dosage? > 2 oz/day. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails/reply
Mars, >You wanted to turn blue taking that amount or either you want to promote fear >on >this site. No. I want to get well and I want to share my experience. As I said, my fingernails may have been blue for years. I don't know, just stating a fact. I have had MS-like symptoms for 5 years. Do you have a chronic degerative disease that has made you a little desperate? You must know what the maximum dosage for treating chronic degenerative disease is. Why don't you share that with us and tell us what your "opinion" is based on so that those with chronic degenerative diseases know exactly how much to take. Many people including myself believe that using predominantly ionic, quality-made silver cannot cause argyria. Do you remember Nancy Delise's testimony (and I'm sure there are plenty of others) that she took 16 oz of 10 ppm for MS for over 2 years and got great results and she also has friends using the same and, according to her, all are getting great results? I also talked with a well-known, very knowledgeable generator mfg. on this site and he said taking quantity is the key and that he has had reports of a number of people with MS getting excellent results. Please share your wisdom with us. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails
Ok, about 2 years ago I started using about 1/2 to 1 oz/day of a 100 ppm colloidal silver product from Water Oz and about 2 mos ago I started using 16-32 oz of about 12-15 ppm according to the PWT of my own brew using a generator made by Sota Instruments with constant current adapter and then a Coyote Zenterprises generator also with constant current and thermal stirring (When I was using 32 oz made by the Sota generator I assumed that it was 5 ppm but according to the PWT it was more like 15 ppm) . Never noticed anything until now but the moons on my fingernails definitely have a blue-purple tint. Who knows they may have been blue for quite a while and maybe I just never noticed it until Marshall mentioned it. Guess I should stop for a little while and see what happens. I'll keep you posted. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
Re: CS>RE:Constant current
John, >List, I am a newcomer to this list, so has the subject of Constant Current CS >>Generators been covered?? Yes, it has. Go to http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html and do a search for constant current or go to www.silverdata.20m.com/ to get some good info. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
RE: CS>TDS/PWT meters
Sounds like I just wasted $50 on a PWT meter. Ode Coyote wrote: Both TDS meters and the PWT do the same thing the same way. Unless colloidal particles are actually touching, or perhaps very very close together, they won't register at all with either meter. The best you can do is guesstimate the particulate content with a laser pointer and add a fudge factor to the reading. Further, the Hanna people have seen fit to mix metaphors with their specs for the PWT. It says "Range is .01 to 99.9 uS" and "Accuracy is +/- 2% Full Scale" [but don't mention what full scale is] Now, you'd think that range and full scale would be the same thing, BUT, stick the PWT in water and add salt to see where the scale ACTUALLY pegs out. That would be at 999.9 NOT 99.9. If the meter were accurate to +/- 2% in its "range" they would have said it that way. That said, at least the meters are repeatable within themselves, but don't expect any two to read the same thing any more than two different laboratories have a tendency to tell you the same thing within +/- 10 PPM. If any two PWTs get within 10 microsiemens of each other, that would be very very good and at least somewhat accidental. I guess that "state of the art" means just thatArt "Looks like" an object. I asked my researcher friend about the discrepencies [He has a huge muliti million megabuck lab at his disposal including mass spectrometers, TEMs and such]. Basically, he says that to get any sort of 'accurate' measurement in the lower parts per million ranges, it takes huge samples and the averaging of several tests. ..and the term 'accurate' is STILL subject to definition. It's best not to use any those 'standards' to flesh out an arguement. [everyone will be wrong or if someone is right, no one will know who that is.] In our case, where there are no dosing standards at all and elimination/adsorption rates vary minute to minute, +/- 2% of 999.9 is OK. Your taste buds, a laser pointer and a 'strong...not so strong' resolution might do just as well. It's Not very objectively informative but well within the 'one glug or three' range of practical application. No matter how tall a mountain actually is, no matter if it's measured from sea level or it's lowest accompanying valley in millimeters or feet. the top is still the top and it still looks like a mountain. Ken Why is it that professionals get to practice but everyone else has to get it right or get fired? Could it be that a professional needs only to 'profess' that he knows what's happening? What about the 'professor' who teaches and certifies the professionals, anyhow? Right or wrongI profess to be certain? [I'm licensed to do that I've been 'certified'] Well, I know what a rubber room looks like...maybe not what it IS, but I do know what it looks like. [ A good dose of Tyrosine makes the vision clearly fuzzy] At 03:04 PM 10/26/02 +1300, you wrote: >Paul has led you astray a bit in his answer :-) > >Both the TDS (total dissolved solids) meter and the PWT (pure water >tester) are conductivity meters. The difference is in the scale and >calibration. A TDS meter is calibrated to convert the conductivity >reading (micro-Siemens uS) to reflect the amount of dissolved calcium >carbonate (in most cases) that would give rise to the conductivity >measured. This calibration is about 1ppm TDS to 2uS for CaCO3. That >would be fine if one could just multiply the ppm TDS x 2 to get the >equivalent conductivity reading in uS, however, most TDS meters have a >scale 000 - 999 ppm TDS, and generally have a error of 2% of the full >scale reading. The error is therefore +/- 20ppm TDS or a range of >80uS, obviously too high if one is measuring a 10ppm CS solution which >will have a conductivity reading of about 8uS. > >The PWT scale is much more suitable, being 00.0 - 99.0 and the readout >is in uS. The error is +/- 2uS or a range of 4uS. > >Regards >Ivan. > >-Original Message- >From: kaselo...@aol.com [mailto:kaselo...@aol.com] >Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 1:52 p.m. >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: CS>TDS/PWT meters > > >please explain to me as simply as posible the difference between the >tds meter and the pwt meter when testing CS... we have two tds meters, >and they both give totally different readings... if i understand >correctly, i need to invest in a pwt meter but i'm not totally >understanding why it is better... thanks! > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
CS>Beta Glucan
Ivan, Do you know if there's a big difference in the quality of beta glucan products on the market? If so, do you know what the better brands are? Thanks, Paul Ivan Anderson wrote:Hi Kevin, Others have suggested appropriate action regarding CS, so I thought to suggest supplementary steps to aid you in your battle. May I suggest you purchase some Beta Glucan, capsules or powder. Beta Glucan will increase the numbers and efficiency of certain members of your immune systems cells, particularly the macrophages, which are the immune cells which neutralise and dispose of microbes and toxins, and dying or mutated cells. A Beta Glucan potentiated immune system is able to cut through the disguises that certain pathogens and cancers are cloaked in, and Beta Glucan will improve the effectiveness of other treatments. A maintenance does of 100mg per day (on an empty stomach), and therapeutic dose of 300 - 500mg beta glucan should be accompanied by double the amount of Vitamin C as the two work synergistically. Ivan -Original Message- From: Kevin Raggett [mailto:lymegladia...@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2002 4:43 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Please help -> never been so sick on 8oz CS treating Lyme Importance: High PLEASE RESPOND TO lymegladia...@btinternet.com AS I AM NOT ABLE TO READ ALL THE MESSAGES ON THE LIST SO I JUST DELETE THEM AUTOMATICALLY. Hello, I am very sick with CS right now as evidenced by sleeping/being in a coma for 4 days then slowly coming out of it and having , paradoxically, 1 day where I can walk for 30 mins and feel 'OK' for 24-36 hours. I have VERY LONG TERM SEVERE LYME IN EVERY PART OF MY BODY so I don't expect miracles, that would be stupid. What should I do ? Stop all together -> it's tempting to be less sick than this sick, it's frightening. I believe that the CS is releasing way too much of the powerful acidic toxins that the LD spirochete known to produce and which cause all of the symptoms (exhuation, mental symptoms, weakness, and God knows what else ...). I can see and smell it in my urine etc (sorry about explicit details). How some people can take 8 oz a day is beyond me. Any advice on dosage -> I'm thinking of stopping all together, this just isn't worth it, it's worsr than cancer therapy and I've seen that first hand. At least those people died quickly. Jesus, this is hell on earth with no end in sight Kevin, manchester, UK - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
Re: CS>Cure for infections???
Wow! Those sound like some loaded questions. >1. Is this patent legit? I believe I did read the actual patent at the patent office's website. >2. Ok, so it works for HIV. What about Lyme Disease? No one knows that for sure. They are experimental devices, so you need to experiment. >3. If it kills Lyme and other infections past the contact point, how long will it take a Bob Beck units to really kill of these infections out of a human body? Including Lyme? That's like asking if I take vitamin c how long will it take to clear up my cold. No one knows that either. Again, it's experimental >I have a Beck Zapper, and a Beck Pulser. And I have Lyme. How long do I >have to use it before I am cleared of Lyme? See above. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
Re: CS>TDS/PWT meters
My understanding is that the TDS (total DISSOLVED solids) will not measure the colloidal particles as they are suspended not DISSOLVED but will measure the ion content. The PWT measures conductivity which would include colloids and ions. Regards, Paul kaselo...@aol.com wrote:please explain to me as simply as posible the difference between the tds meter and the pwt meter when testing CS... we have two tds meters, and they both give totally different readings... if i understand correctly, i need to invest in a pwt meter but i'm not totally understanding why it is better... thanks! - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
CS>Home Distilled Water Purity
To those of you who home brew your own distilled water, are you testing it to see how pure it actually is? If so, what brand distiller are you using and what are your test results? I just bought an Ecopure distiller and can't get better than 6 ppm according to the Hanna PWT even after taking out the carbon filter. I read somewhere that 3 ppm is the benchmark. To those who buy their distilled water and test it before brewing cs, how pure is it? Thanks in advance, Paul - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
Re: CS>MS info and Silver...
Nancy, >I have not been able to get anyone to compare the old MRI to the new one to >prove the >lesions are actually gone. >>I then began to drink the CS with H2o2 and the lesions began to go away, and the myelin began to repair. So you don't know if "the lesions began to go away and the myelin began to repair"? I'm sorry but this is how hype starts. For the sake of all interested in colloidal silver I would appreciate it if you didn't make claims like this unless you have some kind of proof. The people at Natural Immunogenics told me about your story a couple months ago and I'm sure now there are others who think that cs can heal lesions and MS. My next question is: Do you really not have any MS symptoms as you claim? I'm not trying to be harsh its just that I'm extremely interested in the truth and don't want to be deceived. Thanks, Paul >Nancy When I talked to you on the phone I thought you said that the MRI showed no "new" lesions. I don't remember you saying anything about the old lesions healing. This is a very critical issue so I would appreciate you clearing this up. Thanks, Paul "SilverMedicine.org" wrote: Nancy: In your writing, you state that you began taking colloidal silver @ 2 ounces twice daily. I'm assuming you purchased this silver premade... Do you remember what brand? When you started using your colloidal silver ( week 14? ), can you describe the process or machine you used? I see that the second section in your writing is dated August 2002... When did the writing first begin? Or at least, about when did the silver start? About August 2000? Can you confirm, just for the "record", that the product used via IV was Argentum 23 by Natural Immunogenics? Were they doing 5 ml infusions? I don't suppose you happen to have ( or could possibly get from the MD ) a copy of a before and after MRI? And, when were you initially diagnosed with MS? Sorry about all the questions! An amazing journey indeed. Warm Regards, Jason Eaton - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
Re: CS>MS info and Silver...
Nancy, I'm a little confused here. In one of your posts you wrote: >I have had IV therapy recently. I HAD MS, it is gone. Originaly I just drank >CS, It did wonders. It killed the MS mycoplaysma. I then began to drink the >CS with H2o2 and the lesions began to go away, and the myelin began to repair. > I finally tried IV infusions and after five weekly IV drips, I no longer have any symptoms from the MS. >Nancy When I talked to you on the phone I thought you said that the MRI showed no "new" lesions. I don't remember you saying anything about the old lesions healing. This is a very critical issue so I would appreciate you clearing this up. Thanks, Paul "SilverMedicine.org" wrote:Nancy: In your writing, you state that you began taking colloidal silver @ 2 ounces twice daily. I'm assuming you purchased this silver premade... Do you remember what brand? When you started using your colloidal silver ( week 14? ), can you describe the process or machine you used? I see that the second section in your writing is dated August 2002... When did the writing first begin? Or at least, about when did the silver start? About August 2000? Can you confirm, just for the "record", that the product used via IV was Argentum 23 by Natural Immunogenics? Were they doing 5 ml infusions? I don't suppose you happen to have ( or could possibly get from the MD ) a copy of a before and after MRI? And, when were you initially diagnosed with MS? Sorry about all the questions! An amazing journey indeed. Warm Regards, Jason Eaton - Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
CS>Testimonies
I'm looking for testimonies from people who have used cs or websites that list them. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance, Paul - Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Re where we are from
Paul Ladendorf, Merrillville, Indiana USA - Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com
CS> Argyria Clears Up
I had a customer tell me the other day that her mother was using cs (don't know any details) and contracted argyria. She said her face was definitely blue but a couple months after she stopped using cs it went away. She is going to get me more details and maybe a phone number so I can talk to her first hand. Who knows maybe I could get her on the list. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Sorry Marshall (or anybody !) where can I get a 'cheap' magnetic pulser ?
I've got a new one made by Sota Instruments for sale for $225 + shipping. Paul + +++ wrote:FLAVOR00-NONE---2.0;Hi, I looked around and found one which was just over $300 + shipping = $350. I have already spent $700 on colloidial silver + a water distiller + a CS maker and various instruments to mesaure water purity etc. I can't afford all this even though my health is priceless - I live on disability ! Anyone know of a cheaper version of one of these devices ? Thanks + - Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com
Re: CS>To Marshall re: Blue Fingernails
Marshall, >That is how my fingernails got blue. I understand that the fingernails are where argyria first starts. Are they still blue? What kind of generator were you using to make your cs? What ppm? And this happened after only a few weeks? Thanks, Paul - Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Candidates uses tap water...
"SilverMedicine.org" wrote: An individual on another list spoke with the candidate in question. The colloidal silver he made was disasterous, as thought. Jason, Did this person find out how much he was using? Thanks, Paul - Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Silver Facts: hints at CS in drinking water Argria and Stan Jones
Nancy, >make or mix his CS in drinking water >>could cause formation of silver salts. Were you assuming "drinking" water meant "tap" water? The water I drink (i.e. my "drinking" water) is distilled water. If he is "into health" I doubt that he drank tap water. Who knows though. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
Re: CS>Testimony
Mary Lee, I just jumped right in with a quart/day. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
Re: CS>sea silver
Nancy, It's a health food store. The newest product I carry is, you guessed it, colloidal silver generators, particularly the Silver Puppy. Paul Ladendorf - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
Re: CS>sea silver
Nancy, Some of my customers have asked me about it. They all seem to really like it. I'm thinking about selling it in my store. Paul MARIANO DELISE wrote:Has anyone heard of sea silver? improved_your_hea...@2cute.biz - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
CS>Testimony
After talking with a woman on this list named Nancy Delise who had MS (I'm sure some of you remember her story), I started using a quart per day of what I'm assuming is about 5 ppm CS. I've had neurological symptoms similar to MS for years which have gradually been getting worse. By the way I'm using a unit made by Sota Instruments with their current control adapter. It's been almost two weeks and after about a week I started noticing having more energy and feeling better and my mind being sharper. But the last 4 or five days the thing I've really noticed is that my mood is unbelievably good. I have a definite increase in motivation and it's like I'm starting to come out of a long-standing mild depression. That's it for now but I'll keep you posted. Paul Ladendorf - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
Re: CS>finding someone
Reid, Try msi...@yahoo.com Regards, Paul Reid Harvey wrote:CSers, I'm trying to locate Terry Chamberlain, but the mailer daemon spits the messages back. Can someone kindly help me with his address? Thanks and namaste. Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
Re: CS>lyme Disease
Christiane, I hope you don't mind answering some questions. How much CS did you use each day? Did you make it yourself and if so, what brand of generator? If you bought it, what brand? Did you add anything to the CS (H2O2, etc) Did you take it on an empty stomach? Did you take it throughout the day or all at once? Were you using any other supplements? Doing any special diet? Thanks for answering, Paul loan...@aol.com wrote:This is to Kevin who asked about Lyme Disease. I Haven't written to the list for a long time, but when I saw your question I had to reply. I also had chronic Lyme Disease for 10 years. After two years of antibiotics i was still sick and my body was not accepting the antibiotics anymore. That is when I found out about CS. I started to make it and use it everyday starting is May of 2000. I started improving in about 2 weeks. I continued to take the CS and continued to get better. I am now about 90% healed. I am doing things I thought I'd never do again. It has been a long process but it works. I am so thankful to have my life back. Christiane S. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
CS>Oops! Disregard Dr. Seuss Spam
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CS>Fwd: Fw: Dr Seuss and computers
rnkint...@aol.com wrote:From: rnkint...@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:39:55 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: Dr Seuss and computers To: sunshinelover...@yahoo.com, dyk...@netnitco.net, jamesgre...@mindspring.com, fjc...@aol.com, jack_malone...@hotmail.com, paulldn...@yahoo.com, mar...@mail.icongrp, msmi...@covad.net, majesticha...@24hre.net, tdyk...@mail.icongrp.com, splash1...@aol.com, ranewag...@attbi.com, sterling.wag...@attbi.com > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From: "Carole" To: "linda lutrell" , "Herbie j. Scheidler" , "betty jordon" , "AlKnecht" , "Beverly Anderson-Fried" , "Stoltz, Nancy" , "masrws" , "g...@marlawilliams" , "b...@nancy Kintner" , "rock effron" , "jo...@ed Smith" , "Eric" , "Holly Handley" , "MaryAnn Coppock" , "Peggy Stamm" , "barb...@gerry Bougher" , "Deb Eugene Klara" Subject: Fw: Dr Seuss and computers Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:58:49 -0500 GOOD, CAROLE- Original Message - From: nb...@aol.com To: nb...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 6:41 PMSubject: Dr Seuss and computers Dr. Seuss Explains Why Computers Sometimes Crash (Read this aloud, if you can!) If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port, and the bus is interrupted at a very last resort, and the access of the memory makes your floppy disk abort, then the socket packet pocket has an error to report. If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash, and the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash, and your data is corrupted cause the index doesn't hash, then your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash!! If the label on the cable on the table at your house says the network is connected to the button on your mouse, but your packets want to tunnel to another protocol, that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall, and your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss, so your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse; then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang, 'cuz sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang! When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy in the disk, and the macro code instructions cause unnecessary risk, then you'll have to flash the memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM. Quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your Mom! - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
CS>Ions vs. Particles
I found the following article and wondered if some of you techies would respond to it. Thanks, Paul >Basically, there are two silver components in colloidal silver products which >give them their antibiotic properties, silver particles and silver ions. >Silver ions are silver atoms which have an electron missing in the outer >shell. They are the smallest possible form of silver, about .28 nanometers. >Silver particles are metallic silver consisting of clusters of silver atoms. >They can range in size from less than a nanometer up to 1000 nanometers (1 >micron). Silver ions will combine with chloride ions readily where they are present. The human stomach contains a strong solution of hydrochloric acid. Silver chloride forms immediately in the stomach when silver ions enter it. Though silver chloride is harmless and in fact not even soluble in the body, it also has no germ killing power. The same thing happens to silver ions in the bloodstream by virtue of the high chloride content due to the presence of sodium and potassium chloride. Silver ions, therefore are of little value inside the body as they are quickly combined with the available chloride ions to form silver chloride. One researcher, a Dr. Meade, has estimated the half-life of a silver ion inside the human body as 7.8 seconds. The only component of colloidal silver products which survives to work inside the body, therefore, is silver particles. This discovery is what has compelled us to strive for the greatest quantity of particulate silver possible in our product. - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
Re: CS>Wow!
Martha,
You might go to:
http://www.silverpuppy.com/colloidal%20silver%20and%20the%20process.html
There's some good info there on the basics.
Regards,
Paul
"Martha N." wrote:What is the difference then between CS and Ionic Silver?I
don't understand the difference. Could you please explain? Thank
you,Martha - Original Message - From: Robb
Allen To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:13
PMSubject: CS>Wow!
Hi to everyone.yesterday I began a protocol of internal H202 therapy
after much reading and studying. I decided to start with 10 drops twice a day
mixed with distilled water. My first dose was last nite at around 02:00. I
noticed no sick feeling or any other ill affect. This morning I was amazed
when I woke up with about a 80% decrease in my rheumatoid arthritis pain. I've
been slowly getting better anyway from taking large doses of silver however I
seemed to be at a very very slow progress here lately. I got out of bed and
didn't need to sit down to wait for stiffness to leave my joints.I'm not
going to claim at this point that it was the H202but thats the only
thing I did different.About a month agoI made another big
change..since I am a computer tech.I decided to switch to a LCD
monitor.That also led to a big change in how well I was feelingI
wouldn't be a bit surprised if my whole problem was caused by radiation
bombardment from constant "pc use". I have read alot about what monitor
radiationg can do to you.and I'm convinced that this had alot to do with my
RA. {especially since my monitors that I use are somewhat older}Any other
suggestions would be very welcome and appreciated!!Robb
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CS>Gray Batch
I've been making CS with a Sota generator with their constant current adapter. The unit runs off one battery with a voltage tripler. I've been using an A/C adapter as I was going through batteries like crazy. I made a batch this morning and noticed it turning gray. After I finished I looked for Tyndall and it was really strong whereas other batches there was hardly any and it was always clear. The only thing I did different was I stirred it every couple minutes. Anyone got any ideas what may have happened? Thanks in advance, Paul - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
Re: CS>To Jason Re: Buyer Beware
Jason, >You need to hit the books a bit before levelling accusations. Please don't put words in my mouth. I made no accusations. What I did was state a fact: Trem claimed that his generator produced .0006 - .005 particle size as confirmed by lab analysis. According to the lab, the report was not consistent with what Trem advertised. Plain and simple. He even admitted that he strettched the truth a bit. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
Re: CS>Buyer Beware
James, When you have the premier manufacturer (Natural Immunogenics) of colloidal silver convince you that particle size is the most CRITICAL factor in determining the effectiveness of a product and then someone else claims that his generator will produce the same particle size as the premier manufacturers product, it is a BIG issue. Paul On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:44:40 -0700, "James Allison" wrote: >Ya know, people are going off because of less than micron differences, and to >be blunt, it really ticks me off. Yes, I'm happy that people can get so >detailed in their size estimates, but you know what? 3 nine volt batteries >connected to two pieces of silver will make small particles, medium particles >and LARGE particles, and you know what? The silver made that way will work! I >get testimonials every other day from people saying how colloidal silver made >the above way has cured them of this and that (lyme, various types of cancer, >cold sores, fevers, warts, chicken pox, the list goes on and on). So for all >you people who are reading the hemming and hawing about getting your particle >size exactly this size and that size, I say to you, don't worry about it! In >fact, I will go further and say that it is my sincere belief that one needs to >have a full range of particle sizes in order to attack various sized >pathogens! If one is limiting their particle size, then logically! , one is >limiting the pathogens that will be affected. There's nothing scientific about >my opinion, it's just common sense (again, in my opinion). Sorry for the rant, >but every once in awhile I just feel I need to jump in and speak up for us >simple folk ;) > >Yours in health, >James Allison -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
Re: CS>Buyer Beware
Trem, I appreciate you taking the time to explain your side of the story and I'll take your word that you were not trying to be deceptive. I hope you can understand why I felt the way I did. Maybe I'm just not trusting enough or maybe I'm just paranoid. Maybe that's cause some guy just tried to sell me a piece of property and "forgot" to tell me that it wasn't buildable cause it was in a flood plane and cost me a few hundred dollars and a whole bunch of time. Paul Trem wrote:Hi Paul...and the list, Time to clear the air a bit. Paul is speaking about us. Let me give you some information as to how this came about. We had Stephen Quinto (Natural Immunogenics) do an analysis of our CS using a transmission electron microscope. He supplied us with several 5" X 7" photos of the results. These photos have a scale attached as a reference. See http://silvergen.com/toppage2.htm As you can see, there is very even distribution of the particles and also much uniformity of particle size. Stephen's report indicated there were some larger particles in the mix. However it was apparent to me that the majority of particles were between the range of .001 or less and .005 microns. Using a dial caliper to measure the smallest ones on the photos and using the scale provided by Stephen showed me the smallest particles were less than .001 microns so I put .0006 microns as the minimum size in our description next to the photos even though the report indicated .001 as minimum. When Paul called for information I wasn't sure what the report stated and said so. It had been so long since we had gotten the report I wasn't sure what it said. I told Paul to call Stephen if he wanted to because Stephen had told me our CS was second only to his in quality. That statement had carried a lot of weight for me since Stephens product is about as good as one can get as far as I'm concerned. Paul called Stephen and was told there were some large particles in our mix. That is a fact. He had pulled the original report and read from it. However what is not clear is the fact that there were very few larger particles. The vast majority are in the extremely small range. To be honest, when we made the website I didn't feel it necessary to point out the fact there were a few larger size particles when most of the mix was in a consistently small range. I guess if I was marketing my daughter as a bride I wouldn't advertise the fact she had a wart since it would have little bearing on her overall qualit I wanted to share an experience with the list. Yesterday I was on a website which touted the small particle size of silver made by their generator as proven by a lab analysis to show it's superiority. When I read the figures I was very, very impressed. I contacted the manufacturer to ask for a copy of the assay (certificate of analysis). The person responded: "There's a picture right on my website". Well I was looking for a certificate and a picture doesn't say anything about particle size. Right away I felt like the person was trying to sidestep the issue. Again I asked: Don't you have a certificate. "I don't think I got one" was the response. This time I was really skeptical that someone would pay to have their product analyzed and not get a certificate of analysis. They told me to contact the lab that it was tested at. No problem as this was a company that I do business with currently. The man at the lab who tested the product gave me a differe! nt set of numbers than this person told me and had on their website...larger numbers. Now the numbers didn't look so impressive - still good mind you. I called the manufacturer back and told him what the lab said. "He must have made a mistake. Let me call him and I'll call you back." Never heard back so I called the man at the lab today to confirm the numbers again. He told me he hadn't gotten a call from the mfg. I asked him, "Didn't this mfg. get a certificate?" I asked. "He certainly did, he paid for it." was their response. Next I go back to the mfg's site and see the numbers changed to much closer figures (still not accurate) to what the lab gave me. The sad thing is that I'm sure this mfg's generator is excellent quality as others have attested to and I probably would have done business with them had I not found this "error". I wonder how many other people saw those numbers and bought without verifying, thinking that they were getting something b! etter than what they got. Buyer Beware! - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
CS>Buyer Beware
I wanted to share an experience with the list. Yesterday I was on a website which touted the small particle size of silver made by their generator as proven by a lab analysis to show it's superiority. When I read the figures I was very, very impressed. I contacted the manufacturer to ask for a copy of the assay (certificate of analysis). The person responded: "There's a picture right on my website". Well I was looking for a certificate and a picture doesn't say anything about particle size. Right away I felt like the person was trying to sidestep the issue. Again I asked: Don't you have a certificate. "I don't think I got one" was the response. This time I was really skeptical that someone would pay to have their product analyzed and not get a certificate of analysis. They told me to contact the lab that it was tested at. No problem as this was a company that I do business with currently. The man at the lab who tested the product gave me a different set of numbers than this person told me and had on their website...larger numbers. Now the numbers didn't look so impressive - still good mind you. I called the manufacturer back and told him what the lab said. "He must have made a mistake. Let me call him and I'll call you back." Never heard back so I called the man at the lab today to confirm the numbers again. He told me he hadn't gotten a call from the mfg. I asked him, "Didn't this mfg. get a certificate?" I asked. "He certainly did, he paid for it." was their response. Next I go back to the mfg's site and see the numbers changed to much closer figures (still not accurate) to what the lab gave me. The sad thing is that I'm sure this mfg's generator is excellent quality as others have attested to and I probably would have done business with them had I not found this "error". I wonder how many other people saw those numbers and bought without verifying, thinking that they were getting something better than what they got. Buyer Beware! - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
CS>AC vs. DC Generator
I've seen different opinions on which is the best way to make CS...AC or DC. Anyone have any thoughts or know of a good website that addresses this issue? Thanks in advance, Paul Ladendorf __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
