Re: CSWhere We're From

2002-10-25 Thread sylvie hargraft

sylvie hargraft, london, ontario, canada






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From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSWhere We're From
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:24:39 -0500

It was intended to induce guilt...
- Original Message -
From: Chip Hoyle cho...@hampsuites.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: CSWhere We're From


 Hi Listers,

 I'm now feeling like a slacker for not responding sooner.

 Chip Hoyle from Charlottesville, VA, USA

 Bill Missett wrote:

  Listers:
 
  Responses to the question were less than overwhelming -- only 70 of 
some

425
  list members responded, only a 16 percent response.
 
  Listers from 10 nations -- Australia, Austria, Canada, England, Japan,
  Mexico, Nepal, New Zealand, Scotland, and the U.S. responded.  Fifty
listers
  were from various U.S. states.
 
  Mike, did you receive any off-list to add to this compilation?  If so,
you
  can send them to me, and I'll add them to the list.
 
  The weak response tells me the chances of forming a viable organization
to
  promote the efficacy of CS from this list alone is unlikely.  But at
least
  we know where some of us are located, for whatever that's worth.
 
  Regards,   Bill Missett
 
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Re: CSSorry Marshall (or anybody !) where can I get a 'cheap' magnetic pulse...

2002-10-10 Thread sylvie hargraft

what is the pulser used for??
Sylvie


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Subject: Re: CSSorry Marshall (or anybody !) where can I get a 'cheap' 
magnetic pulse...

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:51:51 EDT

Sota also sells used magnetic pulsers.  I bought one for about $120 from
them.  It crapped out but Sota repaired it free.  My pulser is manual, a
button has to be pressed for each pulse.  This gets to be a pain after a
while.  The automatic version is like $300, so I guess you get what you pay
for.  They will not take the used units in for trade in on a new unit.
Brickey


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CScs and bunny

2002-09-06 Thread sylvie hargraft


A friend of mine has a pet bunny suffering of pneumonia. The bunny has 
undergone 2 treatments of antibiotics without success. I am thinking about 
nebulized cs. How would you suggest we do this? She was thinking of putting 
bunny in a pet travel carrier, tape all holes and leave a whole for the 
tubing. Would this be a possibility?? I am thinking that if we block all air 
escapes, wouldn't we also block oxygen supplies?? She might be afraid to put 
a mask of the bunny's face and have her freak out. Please, any input is 
quite welcome. This little bunny has been sick for quite a while now,


Sylvie


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Re: CSgrey fuzzies

2002-07-22 Thread sylvie hargraft
Is the grey deposit the same thing?? If it is not good to filter, what do I 
do then? I'm not interested to drink this muddy mixture from the bottom of 
the jar! What am I doing wrong? Too fast stirring?

Sylvie


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Subject: Re: CSgrey fuzzies
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:13:24 -0400

 The grey fuzzies are a semi solid structure forming out of silver
particles being trapped on the surface tension of hydrogen bubbles that
have grown too slowly to bubble off before being stabilized by the coating.
As the bubble becomes coated, it becomes semi conductive and forms another
slow bubble to become coated on top of itself..on and on in a never ending
feedback loop. Wiping the fuzzies off breaks up the feedback loop, but it
might start over again until water conductivity is high enough to draw the
set current.
 Excess water current pressure is one factor that leads to the formation of
these small bubbles. Another is too little current draw from ultra pure
[highly resistive] water. Stirring too fast also runs a greater number of
ions and particles past the electrode to be attracted by it, further
exasperating the conditions of the loop.
 The slower you run the motor, the less stable it is. It may stall out at
very slow speeds. So, shortening the stirrer allows for speeding up the
motor without increasing stir rate. It doesn't take much to move that water
and it should not move very fast at all. You can put a small bit of paper
in the container to track the water currents. It should move sort of lazily
around in an inverting spiral.
  One would think that running the stir rate really fast would blow the
bubbles off, but apparently it only causes them to stick better on the
surface that faces the direction of the water current and further
compresses the bubble to keep it small.  [The fuzzies grow into the
direction of the water flow.]
 If you find yourself using ultra pure water, you can let the generator run
without the stirrer until a localized area of conductivity [ion cloud]
forms between the electrodes, then distribute that with the stirrer to
bring the total conductivity up...or seed the water with a previous batch.
 Heating the water some also increases initial conductivity but heating too
hot causes particles to collide with enough force that they can agglomerate
right away.

On a good note, once the electrodes become pitted and rough from use, the
hydrogen bubbles are formed in more localized an area centering on the pits
[or, perhaps between them] and grow and bigger faster with fewer of
them..and bubble off better.

 Formation of the grey fuzzies using pitted electrodes is rare.
So, don't polish the electrodes, Just wipe them off.
 Ken


At 06:36 PM 7/21/02 -0700, you wrote:


 From: sylvie hargraft sylviehargr...@hotmail.com


 1. What is causing the formation of grey fuzzies on the cathode??
Hi Sylvie, get the instructions out of the waste basket and read.

 2. How do I know what to regulate the speed of the constant stirrer of 
my

 Ole Bob to?

Get the speed down to something that you can count would be good,
that is if  you haven't trimmed anything off of the stirrer.

Jack


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CSgrey fuzzies

2002-07-20 Thread sylvie hargraft


Hello everybody!

Three questions for you:

1. What is causing the formation of grey fuzzies on the cathode??
2. How do I know what to regulate the speed of the constant stirrer of my 
Ole Bob to?

3. Does speed has an effect on the quality of the cs produced?
Sylvie


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CScs and ms

2002-06-08 Thread sylvie hargraft


Here we go, try this again! Have you come across any interesting data 
regarding the use of cs for multiple sclerosis.

Sylvie:-))


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CScs and ms

2002-06-07 Thread sylvie hargraft



What do you guys know about cs and ms. They are coming to believe that cs is 
caused by a virus but...???


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CSnebulizer vs personal steam inhaler

2002-05-22 Thread sylvie hargraft
As anybody tried the Vicks personal steam inhalor? Would this works to clear 
your lungs when having a bad cold???
We are struggling with colds at my house. I got it from work, 2 of my 
co-workers are home sick and here I am feeling great. Monday, I couldn't 
talk, my throat was so bad, my head felt like lead... Two co-workers were 
exactly the same. The next morning, they are at home sick and I show up 
feeling like a million.


Everybody was shocked wondered how I could be quasi symptom-free. I had 
taking cs, it unplugged my nose, cleared my ears and of course my head.

Nobody could beleive this after me being so sick Monday.

Now, it's kind of sitting a bit on my lungs. I don't have a nebulizer, would 
cost me $200. from shoppers drugstore to have a plug-in model. I saw this 
steam inhaler, it cost about $50, does anyone have an opinion on this 
product??

Any input is very welcome,
Sylvie



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Re: CSRe: CScs color/ pierced-ear infections

2002-05-21 Thread sylvie hargraft
I used to do this, somehow I have failed to do it again but bet on my cs. cs 
works really well BUT it works so well with healing that within 2 days, the 
whole is pratically closed. Then I have to force my way in and then it's all 
back again. At first It used to be infection but now it seem to be  sore 
holes. Now I better start treating them with earrings on. What a pain! Years 
and years ago, I had these second holes done. No problems with the first 
ones, but the second I had to let them close. Beginning of March, I hade 
them pierced again(I like two holes:-(() and the problems are all back 
again.

Sylvie


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From: Catherine Creel ccr...@maine.rr.com
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Subject: Re: CSRe: CScs color/ pierced-ear infections
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:39:30 -0400

I've been watching this discussion on infected ears
from piercings.  There's always been a simple
solution used in my family - take the earrings out for
several days, and use a cotton ball soaked inn hydrogen
peroxide to bathe the area 3x a day.  It's never failed to
work, in my experience.

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CSpsoriasis

2002-05-21 Thread sylvie hargraft
Ah YARK!!! Oh Ken, that sounds gross, I can only imagine an episode of the 
x-files. Hi,hi,hi...

Sylvie:-))


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Subject: Re: CSpsoriasis
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 07:15:22 -0400


  I saw where one shot containing a certain mix of bacteria and small
parasites was curing psoriasis in New Zealand.  Seems there is a lack of
things for the immune system to do and it winds up attacking the body.. out
of boredom?
 Check out Dr Polly Matzinger
Ken

At 08:21 PM 5/20/02 -0500, you wrote:
Hi all,
Perhaps you missed my response the other day.  My friend had psoriasis 
VERY
BAD CASE.  She was slated to go to her doctor for storid shots.  I gave 
her
CS.  She put a wet with CS gauze over the psoriasis.  She wrapped this 
gauze
with plastic wrap so it would stay moist all night.  She did this for 
three
days, and it was almost ALL GONE.  The CS does work.She also drank 
about

an oz. twice a day.
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From: sylvie hargraft sylviehargr...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: CSpsoriasis


 Should she then use it locally only or internally as well??
 Sylvie


 =Sylvie,  an immune system disorder meerly suggests that the body is
 =under
 =assault by some organism and is not winning the fight. I have seen CS
 =refered to as a second immune system

 =Jack


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CStaste of cs

2002-05-20 Thread sylvie hargraft


Hi everyone, could you tell me what the taste of your cs is like?? Mine does 
have a metal taste to it. Yack!!!

Sylvie


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Re: CSpsoriasis

2002-05-20 Thread sylvie hargraft
Hello, I did read your response, thanks. Is it o.k. if I give her your 
message to read?

Sylvie


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From: MARIANO  DELISE nancym...@prodigy.net
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSpsoriasis
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:21:45 -0500

Hi all,
Perhaps you missed my response the other day.  My friend had psoriasis VERY
BAD CASE.  She was slated to go to her doctor for storid shots.  I gave her
CS.  She put a wet with CS gauze over the psoriasis.  She wrapped this gauze
with plastic wrap so it would stay moist all night.  She did this for three
days, and it was almost ALL GONE.  The CS does work.She also drank about
an oz. twice a day.
- Original Message -
From: sylvie hargraft sylviehargr...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: CSpsoriasis


 Should she then use it locally only or internally as well??
 Sylvie


 =Sylvie,  an immune system disorder meerly suggests that the body is
 =under
 =assault by some organism and is not winning the fight. I have seen CS
 =refered to as a second immune system

 =Jack


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CSdrinking cs

2002-05-18 Thread sylvie hargraft



As anybody felt stomach discomfort from ingesting cs(about 4 ounces)? Not 
sick but just a feeling of something in the stomach.

Sylvie

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Re: CSTo Sylvie, re ears

2002-05-17 Thread sylvie hargraft

They are suppose to be!!

Sylvie


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From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com
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Subject: Re: CSTo Sylvie, re ears
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:41:26 -0700

Hi, Sylvie -- you are using hypoalergenic posts, right?

Jack

You wrote:
On another note,
I am having problems with infection from my earrings. I have been applying
cs to the holes for about 5-10 min. How often should I apply the cs and how
soon do you think it would take to clear?

Thanks, anybody's help and comment is always welcome, Sylvie






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Re: CSGary Green/ Chicken Pox Virus

2002-05-17 Thread sylvie hargraft

I have moved it to the off-list!
Sylvie


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Subject: Re: CSGary Green/ Chicken Pox Virus
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:16:11 -0700

5/15/02 10:09 AM sylvie hargraft

 O.k I have refrained from asking this but it is really getting to me 
to

 not know... WHAT IS A ZAPPER???
 Sylvie:-))

Sylvie. this should be moved to the off-topic list.
Jack


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Re: CSpsoriasis

2002-05-17 Thread sylvie hargraft

Should she then use it locally only or internally as well??
Sylvie


=Sylvie,  an immune system disorder meerly suggests that the body is 
=under

=assault by some organism and is not winning the fight. I have seen CS
=refered to as a second immune system

=Jack


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Re: CSSYLVIE: CSTo Sylvie, re ears

2002-05-15 Thread sylvie hargraft

Hello Maxine,
why should I keep away from yellow gold??
Sylvie


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From: Maxine Wilton mm...@sprynet.com
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSSYLVIE: CSTo Sylvie, re ears
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:37:27 -0700

 If your ear rings are not of Stainless steel  posts and backs or  
silver then coat them several times with  the hardening kind of clear nail 
polish and let dry  i day between each application  and wait about 3 days 
before wearing them. If they still bother, re coat them and if still do 
throw them out.

Don't wear Yellow gold or othe metals.
 You can also  take  a needle and thread  dental floss dipped into hydrogen 
peroxide and thread through the hole. leav long enough sa as to be able to 
pull and resaturate with peroxide several times a day and use C S after the 
peroxide . Wait about ten mintes before the CS
or any other healing item on dental floss. Change dental floss daily. and 
leave in untill completely healed so doesn't heal shut.
 If at any time you catch an ear ring and it pulls and maked your ear 
bleed, remove earrings imeadiatly, saturate and clean with peroxide then put 
healing med on, C S or other untill completely well again.
 If the metal even on wire earings is not a pure silver  or stainless 
stell of good quality, you can get infection even with out a tearing  or  
whatever. Also always remove them when going to bed.

Maxine
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From: John Reeder jree...@sbcglobal.net
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Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: CSTo Sylvie, re ears


Keep away from the rubbing alcohol.

John
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From: nk [mailto:n...@shaw.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:10 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSTo Sylvie, re ears


Use it as often as you would hydrogen peroxide or Rubbing Alcohol 
for sterilizing.

Every couple of hours would probably suffice.
Nk

You wrote:
On another note,
I am having problems with infection from my earrings. I have 
been applying
cs to the holes for about 5-10 min. How often should I apply 
the cs and how

soon do you think it would take to clear?

Thanks, anybody's help and comment is always welcome,
Sylvie






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Re: CScs color

2002-05-15 Thread sylvie hargraft

Thanks Ken,
Sylvie


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From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScs color
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:46:45 -0400

  If the water is very warm and the room cold, it might be that the drop in
saturation point as the water cools off after the run could kick post
process particle formation into high gear and make the CS go yellowish.
 The advantage to using warm water with the Ole Bob Gen is increased
initial conductivity of the water that helps things get started faster.
The downside being that if the water has not cooled to near room temp
during process and the room is very cool as is likely in Canada,
uncontrolled post process agglomeration could take place.
 You got 'pink' CS [a few very large particles in an otherwise small
particle clear CS water] when you placed the batch in the fridge. I suggest
a very large run/storage temperature differential? I have had this happen
only in winter when heating with the wood stove. ..Warm water in a very
warm room, then the room temp drops drastically over night.
Ken


At 10:59 PM 5/14/02 +, you wrote:
Hi Jack,
I was wondering what the impact of water temperature at the starting point
has. Can this affect the silver particle's sizes? My friend Ole Bob is
pretty simple to operate, I don't know how I could produce large particles
of cs. My cs is usually colorless, I have made cs with a very slight 
yellow
color, and of course this other batch that was fine and then, turned pink 
in
the fridge. The water I use is steam distilled water from the drug store. 
We

do not have Walgreens here in Ontario(that I know). Somebody in Quebec
mentioned using Life brand steam distilled water from Pharmaprix. We have
life brand at our Shoppers drug stores. I have purchased some but haven't
used it yet.


On another note,
I am having problems with infection from my earrings. I have been applying
cs to the holes for about 5-10 min. How often should I apply the cs and 
how

soon do you think it would take to clear?

Thanks, anybody's help and comment is always welcome,
Sylvie


Original Message Follows
From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScs color
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:48:25 -0700

5/13/02 5:53 AM sylvie hargraft wrote:

  Then, where should cs be stored? Room temperature and stay away from
fridge?
  Should I then stay away from colored bottled, in order to allow
monitoring
  of cs color ?


Hi Silve, This is just from my experience so far (5 batches).

Each batch has been without any color at all, and if Ken's figures are
correct, each batch should have been  about 28 ppm.

As to storage, we happened to have a 2 pint glass lined (vacuum bottle)
carafe that is serving very well for this purpose.

I don't remember if you mentioned the brand of DW that you are using,
but not all brands are PURE  distilled water. If there is a Walgreens
available do try their brand - it is steam distilled and deionized. If you
do try it, be sure to seed it from a previous batch of silver. My first
wasn't , it ran almost 5 hours. With one ounce of seed I get shutoff
in about 2:45 hours. Now this is more than twice as long as Ken states as
run time, so I will try 2 Ounces, I'll let you know what results.

Jack


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RE: CSGary Green/ Chicken Pox Virus

2002-05-15 Thread sylvie hargraft
O.k I have refrained from asking this but it is really getting to me to 
not know... WHAT IS A ZAPPER???

Sylvie:-))


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From: John Reeder jree...@sbcglobal.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSGary Green/ Chicken Pox Virus
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:33:18 -0700

I am new to this forum, but, in my experience, cs keeps me healthy on a
continuing basis. If I came under massive attack I would resort to the
zapper first and antibiotics last meanwhile keeping the cs in the system. I
suspect that some critters need to be attacked from more than one angle. cs
in the bloodsteam has a hard time getting to the skin although when rubbed
on an infected area seems to help, if not irradicate, the infection. The
zapper works the best and quickest on skin ailments and, if I was calling
this warfare, the zapper is the heavy artillery and the cs is the
hand-to-hand combat element. The new element in my arsenal is VCO and I am
not fully aware of how to use that method of treatment. Also, right now, I
am investigating the LED method of combat. The war goes on and on. One of my
college students came down with a lung infection (he is a close friend also)
and I have him taking cs without very noticeable results. Today I put him on
the zapper and saw very noticeable results in his appearance, but the cs
continues for him.

John
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  From: Maxine Wilton [mailto:mm...@sprynet.com]
  Sent: Friday, May 14, 2094 9:46 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSGary Green/ Chicken Pox Virus


   Mariano,
   How long and how much did your neighbor take of C S??
   Did they take anyhting else with it etc?  I been on it about 2months now
and drinking abt   14 oz aday now.  I still have the p[ain and the virus.
What am I if I am, doing wrong?
  Maxine
-Original Message-
From: MARIANO DELISE nancym...@prodigy.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: CSGary Green/ Chicken Pox Virus


How much CS are you on, and how often.  My neighbor had shingles, and
the CS orally is what killed the virus, but I think you should be agressive.
How about working up to 8 - 16 oz throughout the day?
  - Original Message -
  From: Maxine Wilton
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:57 PM
  Subject: CSGary Green/ Chicken Pox Virus


   Hello Gary,
   Are you a Dr of what kind of medicine??
My Dr said the Contrition won't help but I differ.
   I have been taking  Glucosimine/ Contrition and it has helped me.
   What do you do to get rid of the Virus of Shingles/ chicken pox.?
   I have found many things that all help with the p[ain in lessoning 
it

some ,but I want to KILL the VIRUS as The pain won't go away without ridding
oneself of the unstopable Virus I beleive.
   I am also on CS  and won't give up yet.
  Maxine
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RE: CScs color

2002-05-15 Thread sylvie hargraft

Hi,hi,hi... I'm talking about the generator...
Sylvie


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From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CScs color
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:50:53 -0400

  That would be Ole Bob , the person?
 Agreed
Actually, I don't think anyone CAN operate Ole Bob Berger..except him.

I like him a lot.
ken

At 05:10 PM 5/14/02 -0600, you wrote:
My friend Ole Bob is pretty simple to operate,...

That has not been my experience; he is actually pretty complicated.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

 -Original Message-
From:   sylvie hargraft [mailto:sylviehargr...@hotmail.com]
Sent:   Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:00 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CScs color

Hi Jack,
I was wondering what the impact of water temperature at the starting point
has. Can this affect the silver particle's sizes? My friend Ole Bob is
pretty simple to operate, I don't know how I could produce large particles
of cs. My cs is usually colorless, I have made cs with a very slight 
yellow
color, and of course this other batch that was fine and then, turned pink 
in
the fridge. The water I use is steam distilled water from the drug store. 
We

do not have Walgreens here in Ontario(that I know). Somebody in Quebec
mentioned using Life brand steam distilled water from Pharmaprix. We have
life brand at our Shoppers drug stores. I have purchased some but haven't
used it yet.


On another note,
I am having problems with infection from my earrings. I have been applying
cs to the holes for about 5-10 min. How often should I apply the cs and 
how

soon do you think it would take to clear?

Thanks, anybody's help and comment is always welcome,
Sylvie


Original Message Follows
From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScs color
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:48:25 -0700

5/13/02 5:53 AM sylvie hargraft wrote:

  Then, where should cs be stored? Room temperature and stay away from
fridge?
  Should I then stay away from colored bottled, in order to allow
monitoring
  of cs color ?


Hi Silve, This is just from my experience so far (5 batches).

Each batch has been without any color at all, and if Ken's figures are
correct, each batch should have been  about 28 ppm.

As to storage, we happened to have a 2 pint glass lined (vacuum bottle)
carafe that is serving very well for this purpose.

I don't remember if you mentioned the brand of DW that you are using,
but not all brands are PURE  distilled water. If there is a Walgreens
available do try their brand - it is steam distilled and deionized. If you
do try it, be sure to seed it from a previous batch of silver. My first
wasn't , it ran almost 5 hours. With one ounce of seed I get shutoff
in about 2:45 hours. Now this is more than twice as long as Ken states as
run time, so I will try 2 Ounces, I'll let you know what results.

Jack


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Re: CScs color

2002-05-15 Thread sylvie hargraft

Ken,
can you explain how the stir rate affects the cs?
Thanks, Sylvie


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From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScs color
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:33:40 -0400

  The DW I use is from Food Lion and meters at 1 to 2 PPM.
 Walgreens doesn't even register. It takes a very long time to build up to
1 or 2 PPM where the generator will start to pull its set controlled 
current.

 The 26.8 PPM figure came from Ole Bob himself via his photospectrometer.
At the time he said it was total silver, then changed his tune to say his
equipment only measures Ionic silver. Maybe it measurs all of the ionic and
some of the particulate?  I dunno.
 NCDNR Water Lab in Raleigh says 45.5 PPM total silver content. [Ionic and
colloidal particulate] I don't know what method they used to test it but
they wanted huge samples. [I have the report]
 The generator is set to turn off at 15-17 PPM ionic as read by a Hanna PPM
meter..which does NOT read particulate. Total silver will vary according to
'in process' agglomeration of ions into particles as the generator
circuitry works like the meter and won't detect particulate silver either.
 Both water temperature and stir rates influence 'in process' particle
formation.
 Probably, temperature differentials influence 'post process' particle
formation.

BTW, Jack
 The gen you sent back is working perfectly.  I made a 16 oz batch in 3
hours with cool FL water yesterday. Light TE remains unchanged this
morning...shut down at 16PPM ionic and has remained colorless and stable so
far. I only had to wipe the rods once. [old used pitted electrodes]
 I sent you a new transformer for your replacement gen. It checked out at
27vac at no load. I think that'll do her up right.
Ken



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RE: CScs color

2002-05-15 Thread sylvie hargraft
Katrin, this article is very informative but I'm afraid it discredits any of 
the members' cs group. Do you purchase all your cs or do you make your own. 
Carno doesn't believe it can be made outside of lab setting.

Sylvie

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From: Seppo Paananen ca...@raketti.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CScs color
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:35:22 +0300

Here you can find many answers.

www.carnoimpex.fi

Katrin

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:34 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScs color

  The DW I use is from Food Lion and meters at 1 to 2 PPM.
 Walgreens doesn't even register. It takes a very long time to build up
to
1 or 2 PPM where the generator will start to pull its set controlled
current.
 The 26.8 PPM figure came from Ole Bob himself via his
photospectrometer.
At the time he said it was total silver, then changed his tune to say
his
equipment only measures Ionic silver. Maybe it measurs all of the ionic
and
some of the particulate?  I dunno.
 NCDNR Water Lab in Raleigh says 45.5 PPM total silver content. [Ionic
and
colloidal particulate] I don't know what method they used to test it but
they wanted huge samples. [I have the report]
 The generator is set to turn off at 15-17 PPM ionic as read by a Hanna
PPM
meter..which does NOT read particulate. Total silver will vary according
to
'in process' agglomeration of ions into particles as the generator
circuitry works like the meter and won't detect particulate silver
either.
 Both water temperature and stir rates influence 'in process' particle
formation.
 Probably, temperature differentials influence 'post process' particle
formation.

BTW, Jack
 The gen you sent back is working perfectly.  I made a 16 oz batch in 3
hours with cool FL water yesterday. Light TE remains unchanged this
morning...shut down at 16PPM ionic and has remained colorless and stable
so
far. I only had to wipe the rods once. [old used pitted electrodes]
 I sent you a new transformer for your replacement gen. It checked out
at
27vac at no load. I think that'll do her up right.
Ken


At 01:48 PM 5/14/02 -0700, you wrote:
5/13/02 5:53 AM sylvie hargraft wrote:

 Then, where should cs be stored? Room temperature and stay away from
fridge?
 Should I then stay away from colored bottled, in order to allow
monitoring
 of cs color ?


Hi Silve, This is just from my experience so far (5 batches).

Each batch has been without any color at all, and if Ken's figures are
correct, each batch should have been  about 28 ppm.

As to storage, we happened to have a 2 pint glass lined (vacuum bottle)
carafe that is serving very well for this purpose.

I don't remember if you mentioned the brand of DW that you are using,
but not all brands are PURE  distilled water. If there is a Walgreens
available do try their brand - it is steam distilled and deionized. If
you
do try it, be sure to seed it from a previous batch of silver. My
first
wasn't , it ran almost 5 hours. With one ounce of seed I get shutoff
in about 2:45 hours. Now this is more than twice as long as Ken states
as
run time, so I will try 2 Ounces, I'll let you know what results.

Jack


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CSzapper

2002-05-15 Thread sylvie hargraft

Do you believe as does Dr. Clark that all diseases are caused by parasites?
Sylvie:-))


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From: John Reeder jree...@sbcglobal.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSGary Green/ Chicken Pox Virus
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:33:28 -0700

Hello Sylvie:-))

Check out www.drclark.com. Dr Hulda Clark wrote a book called The Cure
for All Diseases in which she extols the Zapper, as she calls it. It
is a method of killing parasites, germs, fungii, viruses, etc using
pulsating DC applied through the body from electrodes attached to the
extremities (e.g. wrists, ankles, standing on aluminum foil (covered with
wet paper towels). The Zapper is the electronic circuit that does the
zapping, easily built from Radio Shack parts or purchased in a more
useable and controllable form from Dr Clark, www.adcomtronics.com or many
other vendors. Type Zapper into a search engine and all kinds of links
come up. Interestingly, the Zapper was just approved in Europe as an
alternative healing method (kind of like the FDA approving cs here). I
built my first one and then purchased a commercial unit from adcomtronics
simply because I was too lazy to build a better one than my first attempt.
It seems to be very useful on skin ailments of any type. I actually had a
tumor on my left arm disappear after about a week of zapping a few days
before I was scheduled for surgery to remove it. The doctor who was to do
the surgery was amazed and stated, you must be living right.

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CSpsoriasis

2002-05-15 Thread sylvie hargraft


A friend of mine as a pretty bad case of psoriasis. Being an immune system 
disorder, I do not understand the claim that cs is helping this condition. 
Any of you had success using cs? If so, I would suggest it to her, but I 
diffinitely do not want to make a fool of myself.

Sylvie:-))


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Re: CSRe: CScs color/ pierced-ear infections

2002-05-15 Thread sylvie hargraft
Thanks everybody for your helpful comments, I'll be trying a few suggested 
things,

Thanks to all, Sylvie:))


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Re: CScs color

2002-05-14 Thread sylvie hargraft

Hi Jack,
I was wondering what the impact of water temperature at the starting point 
has. Can this affect the silver particle's sizes? My friend Ole Bob is 
pretty simple to operate, I don't know how I could produce large particles 
of cs. My cs is usually colorless, I have made cs with a very slight yellow 
color, and of course this other batch that was fine and then, turned pink in 
the fridge. The water I use is steam distilled water from the drug store. We 
do not have Walgreens here in Ontario(that I know). Somebody in Quebec 
mentioned using Life brand steam distilled water from Pharmaprix. We have 
life brand at our Shoppers drug stores. I have purchased some but haven't 
used it yet.



On another note,
I am having problems with infection from my earrings. I have been applying 
cs to the holes for about 5-10 min. How often should I apply the cs and how 
soon do you think it would take to clear?


Thanks, anybody's help and comment is always welcome,
Sylvie


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From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScs color
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:48:25 -0700

5/13/02 5:53 AM sylvie hargraft wrote:

 Then, where should cs be stored? Room temperature and stay away from 
fridge?
 Should I then stay away from colored bottled, in order to allow 
monitoring

 of cs color ?


Hi Silve, This is just from my experience so far (5 batches).

Each batch has been without any color at all, and if Ken's figures are
correct, each batch should have been  about 28 ppm.

As to storage, we happened to have a 2 pint glass lined (vacuum bottle)
carafe that is serving very well for this purpose.

I don't remember if you mentioned the brand of DW that you are using,
but not all brands are PURE  distilled water. If there is a Walgreens
available do try their brand - it is steam distilled and deionized. If you
do try it, be sure to seed it from a previous batch of silver. My first
wasn't , it ran almost 5 hours. With one ounce of seed I get shutoff
in about 2:45 hours. Now this is more than twice as long as Ken states as
run time, so I will try 2 Ounces, I'll let you know what results.

Jack


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RE: CScs color

2002-05-14 Thread sylvie hargraft

O.k. then, I'm missing the point and do not understand a thing...:-((
Sylvie


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From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CScs color
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:10:04 -0600

My friend Ole Bob is pretty simple to operate,...

That has not been my experience; he is actually pretty complicated.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

 -Original Message-
From:   sylvie hargraft [mailto:sylviehargr...@hotmail.com]
Sent:   Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:00 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CScs color

Hi Jack,
I was wondering what the impact of water temperature at the starting point
has. Can this affect the silver particle's sizes? My friend Ole Bob is
pretty simple to operate, I don't know how I could produce large particles
of cs. My cs is usually colorless, I have made cs with a very slight yellow
color, and of course this other batch that was fine and then, turned pink in
the fridge. The water I use is steam distilled water from the drug store. We
do not have Walgreens here in Ontario(that I know). Somebody in Quebec
mentioned using Life brand steam distilled water from Pharmaprix. We have
life brand at our Shoppers drug stores. I have purchased some but haven't
used it yet.


On another note,
I am having problems with infection from my earrings. I have been applying
cs to the holes for about 5-10 min. How often should I apply the cs and how
soon do you think it would take to clear?

Thanks, anybody's help and comment is always welcome,
Sylvie


Original Message Follows
From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScs color
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:48:25 -0700

5/13/02 5:53 AM sylvie hargraft wrote:

  Then, where should cs be stored? Room temperature and stay away from
fridge?
  Should I then stay away from colored bottled, in order to allow
monitoring
  of cs color ?


Hi Silve, This is just from my experience so far (5 batches).

Each batch has been without any color at all, and if Ken's figures are
correct, each batch should have been  about 28 ppm.

As to storage, we happened to have a 2 pint glass lined (vacuum bottle)
carafe that is serving very well for this purpose.

I don't remember if you mentioned the brand of DW that you are using,
but not all brands are PURE  distilled water. If there is a Walgreens
available do try their brand - it is steam distilled and deionized. If you
do try it, be sure to seed it from a previous batch of silver. My first
wasn't , it ran almost 5 hours. With one ounce of seed I get shutoff
in about 2:45 hours. Now this is more than twice as long as Ken states as
run time, so I will try 2 Ounces, I'll let you know what results.

Jack


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Re: CScs color

2002-05-13 Thread sylvie hargraft
Then, where should cs be stored? Room temperature and stay away from fridge? 
Should I then stay away from colored bottled, in order to allow monitoring 
of cs color ?

What is  strong TE and is that good or bad??
Sorry I'm really a pain...:-))
Sylvie


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From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScs color
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 23:44:49 -0400


  Hi Sylvie
 My phone has been out for a few days, the line having been carefully
severed by the county water main installation crew.

 Pink or reddish CS has some pretty big particles and should probably not
be injested. It's OK for any other purpose.
Possible reason for it going pink could be major temperature shifts,
contaminants in the water [ I think one batch went pale violet because I
was swigging it from the bottle and might have spit into it] and maybe even
sunspotsor something.
 It's a pretty rare thing and I've had about 5 batches do it in 3 years.
Something destabilizes the CS in a week or two, usually in winter, and it's
hard to get a handle on the causes.
 One other person here in NC has made reddish CS with the Ole Bob and one
in Florida has had some occurance of making CS that  turned Yellowish.
Other than that , no one has reported a recurring problem, just a weird one
now and then.

 A several days ago I mad a 46oz batch and split it between two identical
bottles.  One I placed in the kitchen, the other in the bathroom.  The one
in the kitched went pale yellow in 2 days. The one in the bathroom is still
just fine after a week.  THe differences in location are , the bathroom
doesn't get any sunlight whereas the kitchen doesn't get direct sunlight.
[I have had batches sitting in the sun for years with no change]
 The bathroom is deeper up under the tin roof. [radiation deflector?]
 The kitchen window was open allowing wide day/night temperature 
fluctuations


 The Ole Bob is set to walk the edge of stability as related to PPM. It
makes really strong stuff. You could back off on the run time a bit.
 Try this.
 Short the electrodes together momentarily with a spoon or something to get
an idea of what full brightness of the LED is.
 Start the batch with the motor not running till the LED reaches that
brightness or seed the batch with some previously made 'good' CS till the
LED is at full brightness.
 Start the stirrer and let it run for one hour.

 NOT scrubbing the electrodes tends to reduce fornmation of deposits.  Just
wipe em off.

CS that has a strong TE will tend to appear to be any color that's around
it. Sometimes I have to take it outside to see what color it really is [or
isn't]





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Re: CSAnodes diodes - Silvie

2002-05-11 Thread sylvie hargraft
It's o.k. Jack I remembered my chemistry classes and I understood what you 
meant.

Sylvie


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Subject: CSAnodes  diodes - Silvie
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 03:45:39 -0700

Hi Silvie,

My face is red, I gave you some bad info about the
silver wires  in Ole Bob -- the negative wire is not called
a diode, but is properly named CATHODE sorry if I caused
any confusion for you.  So to say that again,
the positive wire is an ANODE, and The NEGATIVE wire is
the cathode, the one that gets the fuzzies on it.

I'll haer about that I'm sure :-)

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Re: CScs color

2002-05-10 Thread sylvie hargraft

Is it still usable or should dispose of this?
Sylvie


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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:33:09 -0400


  It's post process agglomeration of small particles into big ones which
could be caused by nearly anything.
 Ken

At 02:12 PM 5/8/02 +, you wrote:

I'm not sure if I'm seeing things here. The cs I made a few days ago is
showing a VERY slight pinkish tint. What is that??
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Re: CScs color

2002-05-10 Thread sylvie hargraft
Thanks for your reply. Some have suggested that it would be soap residue. I 
don't remember having used soap to clean my jar at all. Puzzled me. As for 
wires, as soon as the gen stops, I wipe the silver wires very well. I do not 
get this nice original shinyness, I assumed it was a result of using them. 
Should I scrub them?? I always meant to ask if it mattered in which holes I 
put them, since they have a different purpose. Can their position be 
reversed(changing hole)? Having the Ole Bob gen. from silverpuppy, what 
could cause to cook too long since it stops on its own?

we use as a topical spray
How exactly do you use it in the sprayer and for what purpose? If I was to 
mix cs with msm gel, is there some specification as to how much to put of 
each ingredient?
Sorry about all the questions here but I am trying to keep them to a 
minimum. This whole world is uite new to me.

Sylvie


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Subject: Re: CScs color
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:32:20 -0700

 Is it still usable or should dispose of this?

Hi Sylvie ~

I know Ken will reply to your question, but thought I would offer our
preferences.  Since CS is so easy to make, anything that turns off color
(i.e., being cooked too long) we use as a topical spray or in the garden,
but don't internally ingest.  I'm sure you could ingest this, but I have
never had CS turn pink.  When we cook to 4 mA's or 5 mA's it gets dark with
grayish/blackish tints.  This we use as stated above.  3mA's seems to be the
perfect product for us as it is clean and clear.

Do you rinse your CS container with DW before use?  Anytime we make any
changes to our CS, i.e., cleaning wires, I always rinse the wires and jars
with DW.

Just our opinions.

Happy Howling,

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CSbottle for cs

2002-05-08 Thread sylvie hargraft

I would like to know what is good to keep cs in.

1. I hear Mason jars are o.k., pop bottles(plastic??) smoke or blue 
bottles...


2.  If I wanted to use real smoke or blue cobalt bottles, eye dropper... 
Where do I find them in Ontario or Canada. I know I can order on line but I 
have come across various courier fees that are just rediculous.


My mother has come to visit me and is returning Friday. I'd like to give her 
some cs while she is here. She was telling me that one of my brothers had a 
terrible tooth abcess and it had to be operated emergently. Apparently, it 
was quite torture to go through this ordeal, would having used cs take care 
of the abcess only by swishing it in the mouth for a while?


Also, would cs be of any help with stomach ulcers? Knowing that ulcers are a 
symptom and not a cause, would then cs be useless in treating this ailment?

Any input would be quite appreciated

Sylvie


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RE: CSbottle for cs

2002-05-08 Thread sylvie hargraft

That is an idea, does it have a dropper?
Gum is no problem, I can take care of this.
Sylvie


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To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSbottle for cs
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:13:30 -0400

Arozona tea (herbal) comes in cobalt blue bottles
At the price of the tea usually less than a dollar here you could buy for
the bottles and throw the tea away (or find some one who likes it)
I do not know if it is available where you are at.
I have a source that loves the tea and saves the bottles for me
I suppose you could pop across the border and buy a couple of cases
The only draw back you need a good solvent to take gum off once
the labels are pealed I happened to have some MEK (methyl Ethel keytone)
from the emron paint I use on my boat There are other solvents that work
Hope this helps you
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Re: CSbottle for cs

2002-05-08 Thread sylvie hargraft

Wow, I feel more and more positive about this all purpose:-)) cs.
Sylvie


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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSbottle for cs
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:54:47 -0600



 I would like to know what is good to keep cs in.

 1. I hear Mason jars are o.k., pop bottles(plastic??) smoke or blue
 bottles...


Clear, hard plastic water bottles are just fine. Been using them myself for
years now.

 2.  If I wanted to use real smoke or blue cobalt bottles, eye dropper...
 Where do I find them in Ontario or Canada. I know I can order on line but
I
 have come across various courier fees that are just rediculous.

Why bother?


 My mother has come to visit me and is returning Friday. I'd like to give
her
 some cs while she is here. She was telling me that one of my brothers had
a
 terrible tooth abcess and it had to be operated emergently. Apparently, 
it

 was quite torture to go through this ordeal, would having used cs take
care
 of the abcess only by swishing it in the mouth for a while?

Absolutely!

 Also, would cs be of any help with stomach ulcers? Knowing that ulcers 
are

a
 symptom and not a cause, would then cs be useless in treating this
ailment?
 Any input would be quite appreciated

Ulcers are caused by a bacterium, Helicobacter pylori, therefore CS would
cure them.


 Sylvie

Hope this helps!
Marshalee


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Re: CSdmso

2002-05-03 Thread sylvie hargraft

Hmm... they say: not available into canada on their site.
Sylvie


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Subject: Re: CSdmso
Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 06:50:06 -0400

  Try
www.dmso.com

Worked for me
Ken

At 11:26 AM 5/2/02 +, you wrote:
Where do you find DMSO??
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Re: CSpure distilled water

2002-05-03 Thread sylvie hargraft

When your distille your water, what removes the minerals??
What is a pwt?
Sylvie


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Subject: Re: CSpure distilled water
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 21:13:11 -0700

Sylvie:
Hi there I guess I can throw my 2 cents worth in. I was using
a product made by Continental Packaging out of Richmond B.C. It was ok..
Available at Central drugs.. They jacked the price up, so I bought a
Sears Distiller, and now make my own.. Thrifty foods also sells reverse
osmosis in bulk, and it usually measures less than 2u/s
so it would be ok also and cheap..I used it a few times and it seemed
ok..If you had a PWT you could try different brands and you would know
what was acceptable..
Grant..

sylvie hargraft wrote:

 If there are any canadians on the list, I would like to know what brand 
of
 distilled water you are using to make your cs, as well as where you get 
it.

 Sylvie

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Where do you find DMSO??
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CSpure distilled water

2002-05-02 Thread sylvie hargraft



If there are any canadians on the list, I would like to know what brand of 
distilled water you are using to make your cs, as well as where you get it.

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CSdistilled water

2002-05-02 Thread sylvie hargraft


Safeway and Walgreen is not here. I live in Ontario. The drugstore I went to 
today had steam distilled water and they quote mineral salt at less than 
2ppm. Is that pure enough?

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Re: CSAnyone know of any good oral chelation ideas on removing silver?

2002-04-23 Thread sylvie hargraft

Please, keep us updated.
Sylvie


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Subject: Re: CSAnyone know of any good oral chelation ideas on removing 
silver?

Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:04:14 EDT

Yes, I have that site.  Thank you.  Someone on the list sent it and I have
started it along with eating lots of fresh Cilantro from the grocery store.
A HREF=http://kitchendoctor.com/articles/cilantro.html;Cilantro - Mercury 
Toxicity - Oral Chelation - kitchendoctor.com/A

http://kitchendoctor.com/articles/cilantro.html

I am happy to say it seems to be getting lighter after just a week.  Wish I
had believed it a year and a half ago and started some of these things.

So much for being an ostrich and putting my head in the sand thinking it
would go away on its own and making up excuses.

I do believe the Argyria happened because my system was already overloaded
with Doxycycline when I started the silver.  I had no idea that could effect
it until lately.

I just hope it continues getting lighter.

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Re: CSRe[2]: CSArgyria and Beneficial Bugs

2002-04-18 Thread sylvie hargraft
Hey Ken, I DIDN'T write that!!! I sent a reply to this message, but not this 
from ME!! I wouldn't:-((


At 02:20 AM 4/17/02 EDT, you wrote:

In a message dated 4/16/2002 6:40:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
sylviehargr...@hotmail.com writes:




Janis still has NOT responded to my previous
posts, in which I directly quote her from posts made in 2000. Using
everyday math, she consumed more than 13 gallons of WaterOz silver.
Going by her statement, made in 2000, she consumed over 7 gallons
(which doesn't jibe with other statements in the same post). Going by
her most recent statements, she only consumed 3 or 4 gallons. The
question I posed was VERY basic. Just how much WaterOz DID she take?
Which statement is accurate?



Something must be wrong somewhere with the math.  Because I purchased a
total of 9 gallons of WaterOz and sold 3 to friends and gave some away and
still have 1 partial one left sitting that I have given to friends to
topical wounds and warts to see if it would take care of that.

For the first few months before the WaterOz I took CS that I made myself.
The reason I went with WaterOz is that it was ionic and was suppose to be
higher in PPM plus smaller particle size because at that time on this list
everyone was discussing how the particle size needed to be small to pass
through the blood brain barrier to fight Lyme disease since it gets into
the brain, central nervous system, and hides in cells.

As far as very exact amounts I took I didn't keep real close account of how
much my family took also and what all I did with all of it.  I even made
some of it into a spray for cuts and scrapes also.  I had a bicycle wreck
at one point and put WaterOz on my knee which took several weeks to heal
too.  I can say that my knee finally healed and didn't leave a scar and
nope it didn't turn my knee grey either.

I was told you guys would do this and I was waiting to see how long it
would take before you would blast me and yes I get a little irritated
because I remember all the things that I read on this list back then and
felt so confident with everything.  Now I am paying the price of being so
gullible and believing everything and all the safety of it.

BTW I don't sit on the computer all day long answering posts.  I just got
home from work and saw all the posts.  I do have a life.  Thank god or I
would go nuts sitting here listening to all this about my color and what I
did.  Also I don't think all the posts are getting through because at times
I see someone answering a post and I never received the original.

In answer to the question on toxicity I never got sick or felt bad on the
silver.  All my organs check out fine I just have the grey problem to deal
with and pray in time it will improve.

The reason this is so depressing is I never thought the color thing would
happen and I don't remember anyone on the list back then saying they were
grey until a friend of mine said she was.  I didn't even believe her back
then because mine evidently took  longer to develop.  I know she didn't
take near as much WaterOz as I did.  I can't say exactly how much she took
but I am almost sure it wasn't over a gallon maybe two.  I haven't asked
her.  She was devastated enough to be badgered anymore.  She dropped off
the internet shortly after that and I feared the worst.  Now thanks to
being on this list I have gotten to talk to her and she is doing better.
She is not on this list though and wont put herself through the cross
examination I have so stupidly done.

She also took another form of CS that she bought before the WaterOz.  She
was here once and said you guys blasted her and she said she didn't need
that along with her problem.  I do understand her reasoning.

All I originally came here for was some information on something that might
help and never realized I was going to be on trial.

I have been able to laugh about it some but its getting harder as I go
along.  I was dealing with it better I think before I came here.
Depression started in yesterday and reached a high today and hopefully
tomorrow will be a brighter day.






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Re: CSRe[2]: CSArgyria and Beneficial Bugs

2002-04-16 Thread sylvie hargraft
I have been following this tread and I'm becoming concerned that people are 
starting to come up with rather unfair comments. She has said in her first 
message that she had taken large amounts of cs. I don't need we need a 
complete confession from her. Is anybody looking for statistic datas? Let's 
put it in the name of research, but at this point it looks more like a 
confession we are looking for. I do not see that Janis was blaming WaterOz 
for her actual problem. Somebody brought up that there was suspicion that 
their cs was in fact not real cs. I don't think Janis offer this info.
Anybody happy about WaterOz's product today could very well praise the 
company, and with reason if they have a good experience. Now, if years 
later, a problem comes up as a consequence of its use, could you condemn her 
for not praising anymore?? How could she know what was waiting for her down 
the road?
Janis came to the group to look for an answer to a question,just an answer 
in case anybody had one. She doesn't need to be put down, that is unfair! 
She has said that it was the consequences of her decision and would not 
blame anybody for it. Is she slowly getting bitter? I would too if I'd be 
turning grey, anybody would! Actually, I find she is taking it rather well 
and with humour. No need to be nasty here.

Sylvie


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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRe[2]: CSArgyria and Beneficial Bugs
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:38:30 -0400

Hello Marshall,

Tuesday, April 16, 2002, 2:32:06 PM, you wrote:



MD What is hokey about it?

Marshall,

Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of what you are saying
would agree that there is NOTHING hokey about the statements you made.

What IS hokey is.. Janis still has NOT responded to my previous
posts, in which I directly quote her from posts made in 2000. Using
everyday math, she consumed more than 13 gallons of WaterOz silver.
Going by her statement, made in 2000, she consumed over 7 gallons
(which doesn't jibe with other statements in the same post). Going by
her most recent statements, she only consumed 3 or 4 gallons. The
question I posed was VERY basic. Just how much WaterOz DID she take?
Which statement is accurate?

I am beginning to think she is either a shill, or has a bone to pick
with the manufacturer of WaterOz products. While this is purely
speculation on my part, see if you can follow my thinking. This is all
hypothetical, of course.

Someone gets involved with a manufacturer, and stands to make a
profit. So they espouse the virtues of the products. Then as time
passes, that person has a little falling-out with that manufacturer.
So, they run around trying to bad mouth them. Most probably just
pure fiction on my part, but possible nonetheless.

Her selectivity in answering questions posed to her makes me quite
suspect. Her outright attack on your, quite valid, statements, as if
she is the ultimate authority, only adds to her lack of credibility.

Personally, I cannot accept any of her statements as fact until she
sees fit to explain the discrepancies.

As always, just my 2 cents.




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Re: CSNebulizing CS

2002-04-15 Thread sylvie hargraft
What about a normal humidifier?? In times of colds, wouldn't this take care 
of the presence of germs in the house as well as the carriers?
My son is allergic to mold. His bad season is from spring until frost, would 
humidifying the house with cs be effective?

Sylvie


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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
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Subject: Re: CSNebulizing CS
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:03:43 -0400

I nebulize with about 2/3 of the little bottle that comes with the paint
sprayer in Brookes design.  That would be about 1/2 oz.  Depending on
your condition, too much could cause an excessive herx I would imagine.

CS should be easily absorbed through the lung tissue and into the blood
steam, or eventually eliminated through mucus expulsion.

Marshall

Janet Lubart wrote:

 How many minutes at  time do you  and your children nebulize? How many
 times a day to successfully clear an infection? Does anyone know if it
 is possible to over-nebulize? How about too many days in a row? Where
 does all that CS go once it reaches the lung areas?Thank you all so
 much,Janet


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Re: CSNebulizing CS

2002-04-15 Thread sylvie hargraft

very interesting. It actually has to be in direct contact, right?
Sylvie


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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
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Subject: Re: CSNebulizing CS
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:19:42 -0400



sylvie hargraft wrote:

 What about a normal humidifier?? In times of colds, wouldn't this take 
care

 of the presence of germs in the house as well as the carriers?
 My son is allergic to mold. His bad season is from spring until frost, 
would

 humidifying the house with cs be effective?
 Sylvie

What do you mean by a normal humidifier?  There are steam types, wet media
types, spinner types, and ultrasonic types.  The steam type will leave any
silver behind.  The wet media types will leave the silver behind.  The 
spinner
types will put the silver into the air in big droplets, and the ultrasonic 
will

put it in the air in small droplets.

I believe that the silver will fall out of the air pretty quickly after the
water evaporates, probably within a couple of feet of the humidifier.  That
would limit its effectiveness. If any of the droplets reach a surface before
drying, then it is likely that surface may become stained with silver as 
well.


Marshall


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