Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder for new members and lurkers...

[MaryAnn Helland]

There you are, Mike!  Merry Christmas to ya, and the best of the New Year to 
you 
and yours!!  :-D
MA





From: M. G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 12:30:10 AM
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Reminder for new members and lurkers...

Hi everybody,

For all of you who enjoy holidays of various sorts at this time of 
year, I wish you good ones. 

For any new members or lurkers wondering, "Where's all the information 
about colloidal silver I was told would be here?" ... 

Let me explain that most of the regulars here already have had their 
questions answered long ago, and thus don't *need* to talk about CS 
amongst themselves very much. So, unless you let us know what kind of 
information you're looking for, the conversation will continue to bob 
and weave among whatever health-related topics people have on their 
minds. I don't mind this so long as it doesn't swamp people's efforts 
to get information when they *do* ask for it.

So, please let us know you're there and what kind of questions you need 
answered right now, so we can help... And, welcome aboard.

Address your questions to silver-list@eskimo.com ... 

I'm always available for questions or help related to list operations 
at my usual e-mail address, mdev...@eskimo.com ...

For all of you, thank you for keeping things on an even keel. It is 
very reassuring to watch you take care of yourselves and keep the place 
running smoothly.

Peace,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

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CS>[List Owner] Reminder for new members and lurkers...

[M. G. Devour]

Hi everybody,

For all of you who enjoy holidays of various sorts at this time of 
year, I wish you good ones. 

For any new members or lurkers wondering, "Where's all the information 
about colloidal silver I was told would be here?" ... 

Let me explain that most of the regulars here already have had their 
questions answered long ago, and thus don't *need* to talk about CS 
amongst themselves very much. So, unless you let us know what kind of 
information you're looking for, the conversation will continue to bob 
and weave among whatever health-related topics people have on their 
minds. I don't mind this so long as it doesn't swamp people's efforts 
to get information when they *do* ask for it.

So, please let us know you're there and what kind of questions you need 
answered right now, so we can help... And, welcome aboard.

Address your questions to silver-list@eskimo.com ... 

I'm always available for questions or help related to list operations 
at my usual e-mail address, mdev...@eskimo.com ...

For all of you, thank you for keeping things on an even keel. It is 
very reassuring to watch you take care of yourselves and keep the place 
running smoothly.

Peace,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

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Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder and update...

[M. G. Devour]

Marshall writes:
> It would really be nice if you could add an autoresponder to the list to 
> send an email back to the poster when the limit is exceeded. And really 
> nice if the message could say how big the message was, or how much needs 
> to be trimmed. 

It's on the list, Marshall, absolutely!

The first order of business is converting all messages to plain text, 
however, which will vastly reduce the frequency of oversize messages to 
begin with. Doing the size-bounce with an explanatory auto-reply will 
vastly help with the remaining few incidents.

> I bet you can do it now that you are an expert. :)

 I wouldn't go that far! 

Mike D.

> M. G. Devour wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I'd like to issue an update on my work and a reminder about the  
> > current message size limit for the list...

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Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder and update...

[Marshall Dudley]

It would really be nice if you could add an autoresponder to the list to 
send an email back to the poster when the limit is exceeded. And really 
nice if the message could say how big the message was, or how much needs 
to be trimmed.  I bet you can do it now that you are an expert. :)


Marshall


M. G. Devour wrote:

Hi folks,

I'd like to issue an update on my work and a reminder about the  
current message size limit for the list...


Several folks -- Lisa, Del, Tel to name the most recent -- have managed 
to send messages to the list that barely break the 18k message size 
limit, and so didn't post. As things are configured right now, you 
won't get any notice of that unless I respond to you myself, which I'm 
not always energetic enough to do.


If you don't see your message post within an hour or so, try trimming 
it down and sending again. Unless there is a problem with the mail 
server at eskimo, that's usually the only reason a message doesn't go 
through right away, automatically.


Always delete most of the quoted text from your reply... it's usually 
tacked on after your message and scrolls off the bottom of your editing 
window, unseen. If you do that, you'll easily be able to send a couple 
of pages of new text without breaking the limit, even if your mailer is 
set to send fancy formatted text.


If you need to send more, then send only plain-text. It's an option in 
almost every available program and webmail system, often right in the 
message composer window. That will permit you to send several more 
screens' worth of text, if you're forwarding information from another 
source, for instance, or making lengthy detailed comments.


Thank you!

That brings me to the other item... I am continuing to work on 
extensive changes to the configuration of the existing list software 
which will greatly reduce the importance of the message size limit, 
eliminate message format problems, improve security, and eliminate or 
automate much of my remaining admin workload.  

I've set up a trap that lets me send test messages through the Off 
Topic List without them actually posting. So it should be less annoying 
to OT List subscribers than it's been for the last couple of weeks, 
even as I continue to use it for my testbed. Rest assured I'm still 
working on it, even though the test messages have stopped. 


When I'm ready I'll ask y'all to help me stress test the new code on 
the OT List, before I copy things over to this list's setup and deploy 
the changes here.


Again, thanks for your patience and continued cooperation.

Be well,

Mike D.
list owner, bit wrangler, and procmail arcana victim! 

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CS>[List Owner] Reminder and update...

[M. G. Devour]

Hi folks,

I'd like to issue an update on my work and a reminder about the  
current message size limit for the list...

Several folks -- Lisa, Del, Tel to name the most recent -- have managed 
to send messages to the list that barely break the 18k message size 
limit, and so didn't post. As things are configured right now, you 
won't get any notice of that unless I respond to you myself, which I'm 
not always energetic enough to do.

If you don't see your message post within an hour or so, try trimming 
it down and sending again. Unless there is a problem with the mail 
server at eskimo, that's usually the only reason a message doesn't go 
through right away, automatically.

Always delete most of the quoted text from your reply... it's usually 
tacked on after your message and scrolls off the bottom of your editing 
window, unseen. If you do that, you'll easily be able to send a couple 
of pages of new text without breaking the limit, even if your mailer is 
set to send fancy formatted text.

If you need to send more, then send only plain-text. It's an option in 
almost every available program and webmail system, often right in the 
message composer window. That will permit you to send several more 
screens' worth of text, if you're forwarding information from another 
source, for instance, or making lengthy detailed comments.

Thank you!

That brings me to the other item... I am continuing to work on 
extensive changes to the configuration of the existing list software 
which will greatly reduce the importance of the message size limit, 
eliminate message format problems, improve security, and eliminate or 
automate much of my remaining admin workload.  

I've set up a trap that lets me send test messages through the Off 
Topic List without them actually posting. So it should be less annoying 
to OT List subscribers than it's been for the last couple of weeks, 
even as I continue to use it for my testbed. Rest assured I'm still 
working on it, even though the test messages have stopped. 

When I'm ready I'll ask y'all to help me stress test the new code on 
the OT List, before I copy things over to this list's setup and deploy 
the changes here.

Again, thanks for your patience and continued cooperation.

Be well,

Mike D.
list owner, bit wrangler, and procmail arcana victim! 

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CS>[List Owner] Reminder...

[M. G. Devour]

May I remind everyone that discussion of the *political* aspects of the 
Swine Flu scare and various vaccine-related developments is not a good 
fit with this group's mission? The occasional heads-up message with 
discussion taken to the OT list is okay.

If anyone is either attacking or defending the current administration 
in a post, it's likely off topic. Okay? All this is stuff that's been 
brewing for decades across multiple administrations, complete with 
false alarms and distractions enough on both sides to discredit the 
truth if or when something finally does happen.

Finally, please take great care before posting corrections of another 
member or perceiving offense or insult in their words to you. 
Everything we say in this medium is grossly amplified and harshened in 
tone. You must write with careful attention to the feelings of others, 
and read with the skin of a water buffalo. It takes practice.

Let me know in private e-mail if anything is getting out of hand. 
Thanks to those of you who realized what was going on and pulled back 
from the brink. I depend on you, each of you, to keep the group on 
track by regulating yourselves.

Thank you, all. 

Be well,

Mike Devour
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CS>[List Owner]Reminder...

[M. G. Devour]

I need to remind some folks that political discussions are not 
permitted here on the main silver list. The OT list is available for 
*civil* conversation on such topics. See the silver list web site for 
instructions on joining the OT list. (Links below...)

The alleged "Health Care Reform" debate completely ignores what most of 
us realize is wrong and corrupt in mainstream medicine. There isn't any 
point I can see in bringing to our group the superficial but 
acrimonious debate over who pays and who controls a basic system that 
does everything possible to exclude healthy, economical alternatives 
from development and use.

Thank you.

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Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...

[Indi]

On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 05:56:42AM -0700, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
>
>He said something to the effect that he couldn't
>see how a temperature of 102 or 103 in the human body could kill a virus,
>when it requires temps of 140 and up to kill pathogens in the food we
>eat.  Wonder if someone here would have a good answer for him?
> 


Pathogens in food are usually bacterial, which generally can survive in a 
much broader range of temperatures than viruses.

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Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hi Mike.  I have been interested in the *aspirin theory* in all of the Swine 
Flu information I've read, and brought that theory to my husband's attention 
this morning.  He said something to the effect that he couldn't see how a 
temperature of 102 or 103 in the human body could kill a virus, when it 
requires temps of 140 and up to kill pathogens in the food we eat.  Wonder if 
someone here would have a good answer for him?

Also, I loved your analogy to the "rabbit hole" you went down ten to fifteen 
years ago.  I guess we've all gone down that rabbit hole, else we wouldn't be 
here on this list.  Methinks said rabbit hole has many different tunnels, and 
it's easy (and sometimes confusing) exactly which tunnels are valid and which 
are metaphoric dead-ends.  But one thing's for sure -- once down the rabbit 
hole, there's no going up it, is there?  lol
MA





From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
 

There are those interesting theories that aspirin, of all things, might 
have been responsible for many of the deaths in 1918. Folks killed 
their fevers, which would normally have slowed down the virus, which 
then proliferated and killed them.



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Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...

[M. G. Devour]

I think Kathryn meant this to go privately, but it went to the list by 
mistake. She makes good points I'd be glad to respond to.

> Dear Mike,
> 
> It's your list, so whatever rules you want you get.

Yeah, for better or worse! 

> As a formerly trained scientist (even if I don't get to play in that
> sand box anymore) this sort of fearmongering (culling the herd, etc)
> really sets my last nerve on fire.  

I bet you meant "formally" trained!  I spent 18 years as a 
research technician in the physical sciences. I can relate.

Most of what passes for "information" on the 'net is unsupported 
speculation. A lot of it attempts to masquerade as "scientific" but 
doesn't come even close for anybody with a little training. Yet a lot 
of people are not knowledgable enough and will be scared by it.

> There are so many worthwhile things that threaten us that focusing
> attention on this sort of thing dilutes legitimate discussion. It
> distracts attention that could rightly go to other really important
> issues. Issues that we stand a real chance of protecting ourselves and
> our families from if we have a head's up.

Yep, and that gets right to crux of *my* decision process. Legitimate? 
It all boils down to, where should I draw that line? 

> Like whether or not the swine flu is a 1918 type of flu, for example.
> Jury is still out on that. 

There are those interesting theories that aspirin, of all things, might 
have been responsible for many of the deaths in 1918. Folks killed 
their fevers, which would normally have slowed down the virus, which 
then proliferated and killed them.

> That is just one small example. The economy and what we can be doing
> right now to help protect ourselves; the list goes on and on. 

It gets tough to figure out what to do when you're not sure what's 
really happening. That leads to the endless back and forth over 
conspiracies and evil plots, versus stupiditiy and corruption, versus 
don't worry, be happy, everything's gonna be okay.

Some of that is going to bleed into the discussion, no matter what we 
do. It's just a matter of keeping it small, overall. 

> I realize the irony of my having pointed attention to it instead of
> letting it go.  It would have just slipped under the radar if I had
> not said anything, probably; or maybe it would have become yet another
> round of crazy stuff. 

If it had done the latter, it'd have been a case of my neglect. What I 
want is for folks to not respond to the OT and marginal stuff, and give 
me a heads-up when you think things are getting too far astray.

> Fine for somebody's sci-fi shelf, but for a what I had considered an
> experimental science list? 

Read any of David Weber's stuff? Good sci-fi... 

Basically, my policy of prohibiting politics, except as it relates to 
colloidal silver and important alternative health issues, is my best 
effort to avoid having to arbitrarily decree what is and is not 
"legitimate" within the broad spectrum of beliefs that exist in our 
members.

On occasion I'll ask somebody to tone it down a bit in deference to not 
scaring off newcomers, but it's mainly a matter of keeping the volume 
low enough overall that the more conventional tends to balance the 
farther out, and folks can choose what to listen to.

I do that by trying to keep up with the discussion, which can be a 
challenge sometimes, and by watching my in-box for personal contacts 
from people with complaints or comments about what's going on. That's 
where you guys and gals can support my efforts.

> Maybe because things are so uncertain Out There right now we are more
> willing to suspend disbelief, and some of us (ie: me) are more on edge.
> Sigh;  like I need an edge to go over- "what edge- is there an edge
> there   (yhh..thunk)"  .

 I went over that edge a long time ago, I'm afraid. It started 
with lies I learned I was being told by the mainstream media about 
specific issues I'd never looked at closely before. It progressed to 
recognizing the disfunctionality of much of our "system." Somewhere 
along the way, I found out there was a whole other world of opinions 
and beliefs that, while labelled "fringe" by agencies of the 
aforementioned mainstream system, exhibited every sign of being 
dangerously real, just like colloidal silver has turned out to be.

(Dangerous, as in a hazard to my complacency...)

So I guess you can say I'm more prepared to "suspend disbelief" about 
things I'd never have taken seriously before I went down the rabbit 
hole 10 or 15 years ago. I know there are fewer things I'm willing to 
say are impossible now than I would have in the beginning.

> I'm happy you at least saw that I was trying to resolve it.

Oh, yes. I am much happier when folks make the conscious decision to de-
escalate and make things better. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

> Best Wishes,
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> PS- If you think this is suitable for listreading, you can send it on.

I think you took care of that just fine! 

Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Regarding the swine flu issue:  there are a few fine, thoughtful 
articles about the probable links to factory farming, which encourages 
extremely rapid viral mutation.Factory farming (or ranching I 
suppose)  is a more plausible explanation for strange bird/pig viruses 
than weapons lab work, though the latter is hardly implausible.   The 
facts as I read them  don't provide any evidence of that, however.


For a good read, see Wm. Engdahl's recent article, and also the 
excellent Johann Hari.   I think both articles may be at 
informationclearinghouse.info.If not a Google search should turn 
both up quickly; they are very recent.   Both mention the world's 
largest pig ranch, American owned, in Mexico, where the "flu" first 
emerged.


Hari may well be right that our craving for cheap meat will lead to a 
devastating pandemic, and proper regulation is essential.   The growth 
of these huge factories is quite recent, within the past 20 years, and 
can be done away with if only legislators would not sell out, as most 
do.









On Sunday, May 3, 2009, at 14:17 Asia/Tokyo, Clayton Family wrote:


Dear Mike,

It's your list, so whatever rules you want you get.

As a formerly trained scientist (even if I don't get to play in that 
sand box anymore) this sort of fearmongering (culling the herd, etc) 
really sets my last nerve on fire.  We are all way too dumb to even 
make that necessary. I am speaking of the human race here, nothing 
personal for anyone to take offense at.   We may just all bomb 
ourselves into oblivion before anyone else has the chance to do any 
culling. My opinion.


There are so many worthwhile things that threaten us that focusing 
attention on this sort of thing dilutes legitimate discussion. It 
distracts attention that could rightly go to other really important 
issues. Issues that we stand a real chance of protecting ourselves and 
our families from if we have a head's up.


Like whether or not the swine flu is a 1918 type of flu, for example. 
Jury is still out on that. That is just one small example. The economy 
and what we can be doing right now to help protect ourselves; the list 
goes on and on.


I realize the irony of my having pointed attention to it instead of 
letting it go.  It would have just slipped under the radar if I had 
not said anything, probably; or maybe it would have become yet another 
round of crazy stuff. Fine for somebody's sci-fi shelf, but for a what 
I had considered an experimental science list?


Maybe because things are so uncertain Out There right now we are more 
willing to suspend disbelief, and some of us (ie: me) are more on 
edge. Sigh;  like I need an edge to go over- "what edge- is there an 
edge there   (yhh..thunk)"  .


I'm happy you at least saw that I was trying to resolve it.

Best Wishes,

Kathryn

PS- If you think this is suitable for listreading, you can send it on.

On May 2, 2009, at 3:38 PM, M. G. Devour wrote:


Just to remind everybody of a few things...

Karen wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the post [about swine flue as evil plot], 
magnets

have nothing to do with CS either but no one has said anything about
those...


Yes, I allow, even encourage, other health-related questions to be
asked and answers given, so long as anything not CS-related gets
covered more briefly. Magnets are okay, so long as they don't stick
around too long. 

Why be so loose with the topic? Because we always have and always will
*get* those kinds of questions anyway, and a *lot* of good help and
useful information usually results. I've been criticized for this by
some people, but I think it contributes a great deal to the group's
sense of community.

This is an important topic, and whether or not it is true will be 
seen

in the next few months, there is no reason to ever be rude.


Indeed, there is never reason to be rude.

Rense is generally thought of as a fairly speculative information
source -- some would characterize him as fringe -- but I would not 
have

jumped on Paula for posting this and other such links OCCASIONALLY, as
long as everybody understands that any discussion of the controversial
aspects of them are carried out on the OT list.

The difference between Paula's message and, for instance, Aaron's
comments that I remarked on just yesterday, was that Paula was only
giving a brief description of the content, and not a lengthy discourse
or speculation.

Part of the diversity that I expect everyone to tolerate is that some
folks here believe things that you find a bit of a stretch... sorta
like how your snotty brother-in-law (or pick your other favorite
annoying person) thinks about *YOU* and that stupid colloidal silver
stuff that you're always prattling on about... 

We know that not everything we're reading, mainstream or alternative,
is true or paints a complete picture. We're all adults capable of
discernment. I'm willing to allow a bit of... variety, so long as
discussion of politics and other controversy stay

Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...

[Clayton Family]

Dear Mike,

It's your list, so whatever rules you want you get.

As a formerly trained scientist (even if I don't get to play in that 
sand box anymore) this sort of fearmongering (culling the herd, etc) 
really sets my last nerve on fire.  We are all way too dumb to even 
make that necessary. I am speaking of the human race here, nothing 
personal for anyone to take offense at.   We may just all bomb 
ourselves into oblivion before anyone else has the chance to do any 
culling. My opinion.


There are so many worthwhile things that threaten us that focusing 
attention on this sort of thing dilutes legitimate discussion. It 
distracts attention that could rightly go to other really important 
issues. Issues that we stand a real chance of protecting ourselves and 
our families from if we have a head's up.


Like whether or not the swine flu is a 1918 type of flu, for example. 
Jury is still out on that. That is just one small example. The economy 
and what we can be doing right now to help protect ourselves; the list 
goes on and on.


I realize the irony of my having pointed attention to it instead of 
letting it go.  It would have just slipped under the radar if I had not 
said anything, probably; or maybe it would have become yet another 
round of crazy stuff. Fine for somebody's sci-fi shelf, but for a what 
I had considered an experimental science list?


Maybe because things are so uncertain Out There right now we are more 
willing to suspend disbelief, and some of us (ie: me) are more on edge. 
Sigh;  like I need an edge to go over- "what edge- is there an edge 
there   (yhh..thunk)"  .


I'm happy you at least saw that I was trying to resolve it.

Best Wishes,

Kathryn

PS- If you think this is suitable for listreading, you can send it on.

On May 2, 2009, at 3:38 PM, M. G. Devour wrote:


Just to remind everybody of a few things...

Karen wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the post [about swine flue as evil plot], 
magnets

have nothing to do with CS either but no one has said anything about
those...


Yes, I allow, even encourage, other health-related questions to be
asked and answers given, so long as anything not CS-related gets
covered more briefly. Magnets are okay, so long as they don't stick
around too long. 

Why be so loose with the topic? Because we always have and always will
*get* those kinds of questions anyway, and a *lot* of good help and
useful information usually results. I've been criticized for this by
some people, but I think it contributes a great deal to the group's
sense of community.


This is an important topic, and whether or not it is true will be seen
in the next few months, there is no reason to ever be rude.


Indeed, there is never reason to be rude.

Rense is generally thought of as a fairly speculative information
source -- some would characterize him as fringe -- but I would not have
jumped on Paula for posting this and other such links OCCASIONALLY, as
long as everybody understands that any discussion of the controversial
aspects of them are carried out on the OT list.

The difference between Paula's message and, for instance, Aaron's
comments that I remarked on just yesterday, was that Paula was only
giving a brief description of the content, and not a lengthy discourse
or speculation.

Part of the diversity that I expect everyone to tolerate is that some
folks here believe things that you find a bit of a stretch... sorta
like how your snotty brother-in-law (or pick your other favorite
annoying person) thinks about *YOU* and that stupid colloidal silver
stuff that you're always prattling on about... 

We know that not everything we're reading, mainstream or alternative,
is true or paints a complete picture. We're all adults capable of
discernment. I'm willing to allow a bit of... variety, so long as
discussion of politics and other controversy stays strictly limited on
the main list.

I would appreciate if you all refrain from publicly correcting each
other's behavior (playing list cop). I'm the one that should do that. I
will either make public posts like this one, or I'll talk quietly to
the individuals involved off-list. If I'm doing the latter you won't
know it, and your efforts to police things will only cause hard
feelings and disruption.

In the future, please contact me directly if you see anything you think
should not be going on.

Thanks for your efforts to resolve the disagreement.

Be well!

Mike Devour
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Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...

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CS>[List Owner] Reminder: topic, politeness, list cops...

[M. G. Devour]

Just to remind everybody of a few things...

Karen wrote:
> I see nothing wrong with the post [about swine flue as evil plot], magnets
> have nothing to do with CS either but no one has said anything about
> those...

Yes, I allow, even encourage, other health-related questions to be 
asked and answers given, so long as anything not CS-related gets 
covered more briefly. Magnets are okay, so long as they don't stick 
around too long. 

Why be so loose with the topic? Because we always have and always will 
*get* those kinds of questions anyway, and a *lot* of good help and 
useful information usually results. I've been criticized for this by 
some people, but I think it contributes a great deal to the group's 
sense of community.

> This is an important topic, and whether or not it is true will be seen
> in the next few months, there is no reason to ever be rude. 

Indeed, there is never reason to be rude.  

Rense is generally thought of as a fairly speculative information 
source -- some would characterize him as fringe -- but I would not have 
jumped on Paula for posting this and other such links OCCASIONALLY, as 
long as everybody understands that any discussion of the controversial 
aspects of them are carried out on the OT list.  

The difference between Paula's message and, for instance, Aaron's 
comments that I remarked on just yesterday, was that Paula was only 
giving a brief description of the content, and not a lengthy discourse 
or speculation.

Part of the diversity that I expect everyone to tolerate is that some 
folks here believe things that you find a bit of a stretch... sorta 
like how your snotty brother-in-law (or pick your other favorite 
annoying person) thinks about *YOU* and that stupid colloidal silver 
stuff that you're always prattling on about... 

We know that not everything we're reading, mainstream or alternative, 
is true or paints a complete picture. We're all adults capable of 
discernment. I'm willing to allow a bit of... variety, so long as 
discussion of politics and other controversy stays strictly limited on 
the main list.

I would appreciate if you all refrain from publicly correcting each 
other's behavior (playing list cop). I'm the one that should do that. I 
will either make public posts like this one, or I'll talk quietly to 
the individuals involved off-list. If I'm doing the latter you won't 
know it, and your efforts to police things will only cause hard 
feelings and disruption. 

In the future, please contact me directly if you see anything you think 
should not be going on.

Thanks for your efforts to resolve the disagreement.

Be well!

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

Paula posted...
> >>> According to this article the flu is likely to mutate into more and
> >>> more deadlier strains. Talks about coming martial law in the months
> >>> ahead. Says this is all part of the endgame of culling population
> >>> etc. Paula
> >>>
> >>> http://www.rense.com/general85/swine.htm

Kathryn (Clayton Family) retaliated:
> >> This is just so much crap!
> >>
> >> I wish you would post this to the off topic list, and quit polluting
> >> this one with this kind of fearmongering nonsense.

Indi joined in:
> > Yeah it is a bit much, that's for sure...

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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CS>[List Owner] Reminder to anyone new and lurking...

[M. G. Devour]

Hi all,

Since there are a lot more posts about e-mail issues today than 'most 
anything else, just a reminder:

If you're looking for information on colloidal silver, don't wait for 
somebody else to bring up your questions, please ask away! Answers are 
ready and waiting in the minds of our expert members (and the rest of 
us!). 

Langsley, thanks for explanating exactly why Barb's not seeing her own 
posts. It's a wonderful feeling when computer questions actually get 
matched up with *answers* instead of staying mysteries!

Be well,

Mike D.
list owner and sometimes interweb leet skilz coach...

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Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder and administrative note...

[M. G. Devour]

> Batman :)

Now, whose line is "Holy UFO's, Batman!!!?"

> For further clarification.  Do you mean to say that the UFO discussion
> are also to be banned from the OT list? 

Nope, re-read the below and I think the easiest interpretation is the 
one I intended... though I didn't make myself as clear as I *could* 
have. 

> First off a reminder to close down the UFO discussions (here). They've been
> picked up again at the OT list where they belonged in the first place. 

A few interesting tales coming out... I should be grateful my life is 
dull, I suppose!

Mike D.

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Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder and administrative note...

[Carol Ann]

Batman :)

For further clarification.  Do you mean to say that the UFO discussion are also 
to be banned from the OT list?

"M. G. Devour"  wrote: Hi folks,

Lucky you, you get to hear from me two days in a row! 

First off a reminder to close down the UFO discussions. They've been 
picked up again at the OT list where they belonged in the first place. 




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CS>[List Owner] Reminder and administrative note...

[M. G. Devour]

Hi folks,

Lucky you, you get to hear from me two days in a row! 

First off a reminder to close down the UFO discussions. They've been 
picked up again at the OT list where they belonged in the first place. 


Also stop any further kibitzing about which lurker is king of the hill 
or whatever nonsese is going on there.

Meanwhile, an administrative note:

For some reason a message from this 'samuel' person was re-sent by the 
digest server to all the digest subscribers individually... I'm still 
studying why this happened, apart from some irreproduceable random 
glitch. That's why a bunch of folks who are receiving and archiving the 
digests unopened saw an unexpected message in their in-boxes. Their 
replies were directed to the main list by the reply-to header, 
apparently.

In any case, this samuel is a fairly recent subscriber with a handful 
of posts to her credit. (In one message she mentioned being a 
female...) There's no question you have to have a little patience to 
mine this community for the information you need. The lack of archives 
hurts us, as does our occasional OT excursions.

So, acknowledging the criticisms, including Sam's "It use to be a 
pretty good colloidal silver list," it should drive home the virtue of 
keeping the topic spread reasonably disciplined. However, I stand by my 
decision to welcome a diverse range of alternative health related 
topics in answer to specific questions or requests of our members.

It is each member's responsibility to ASK for information. This is a 
conversation not a lecture. Join in and you will receive the help you 
need if anyone here is able to. We are willing.

Thank you,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

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Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder

[M. G. Devour]

John W. writes:
> I for one am sick and tired of these people who have NO RESPECT for
> the rest of the people on the forum. There are rules, and there are
> rules.
> 
> Just block these people who won't respect the rest of us and get rid
> of them. Let them go and mess up someone or something else. 

Thank you for your comment, John.

To you I say, thank you for being patient with the situation. You know 
I tend to move very slowly on disciplinary matters when they are not 
really acute. I depend on people to govern their own behavior. For that 
to happen they need feedback, some private and some on-list. It takes 
time.  

In this case, I'm seeing new people's behavior being influenced in a 
negative way by long-time users who should know better -- something I 
want to stop.  

To the rest of you I commend John's remarks as important to remember. 
It *is* a matter of respect.  

If you find John's attitude to be too restrictive, please note that 
your preferences *are* respected in that I will almost certainly never 
tighten the controls here so much that he would be completely 
satisfied.  

So, I call upon *you* to respect his needs, and others', by helping us 
travel the middle ground on which few are totally comfortable but 
nearly all can make progress... together.  

End of sermon...

Be well,

Mike Devour
List owner and local demigod...


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Reminder

[John W]

Hi Mike,
I for one am sick and tired of these people who have NO RESPECT for the rest 
of the people on the forum. There are rules, and there are rules.


Just block these people who won't respect the rest of us and get rid of 
them. Let them go and mess up someone or something else.

John.

- Original Message - 
From: "M. G. Devour" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Reminder



I've just sent a couple of private, and pointed, reminders to list
members who have stretched out the Cayce topic and, of all things, have
now introduced a discussion of reincarnation!

NO, NO, NO!  Good grief!

If it isn't obvious that such conversations do not belong here, I don't
know what is. The potential of such remarks to offend people of other
beliefs, and to try the patience of those whose time and energy is
limited, should be so plain I would expect that simple courtesy would
prevent you from posting them to the main list.

The rule is plain and fully covers this:

"Avoid discussing religion, mysticism, or spirituality. There is no
comment you can make that will not risk offending someone. Overt
evangelization is not permitted. Do not reply to religious remarks made
by others."

Hear that? "DO NOT REPLY" to the remarks others are making, in error,
on a prohibited topic in a thread that I've already asked to be closed!

Go to http://www.silverlist.org and click on List Rules and Discipline
Policy > Prohibited Topics.

A nice thread on the subject has been begun by Marshall on the Off
Topic list. For the time being, the web archives are down, so you'll
have to subscribe to receive the OT list in e-mail. Follow instructions
at the Silver List web site, on the page for the Off Topic List.

Be well,

Mike Devour
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CS>[List Owner] Reminder

[M. G. Devour]

I've just sent a couple of private, and pointed, reminders to list 
members who have stretched out the Cayce topic and, of all things, have 
now introduced a discussion of reincarnation!

NO, NO, NO!  Good grief!

If it isn't obvious that such conversations do not belong here, I don't 
know what is. The potential of such remarks to offend people of other 
beliefs, and to try the patience of those whose time and energy is 
limited, should be so plain I would expect that simple courtesy would 
prevent you from posting them to the main list.

The rule is plain and fully covers this: 

"Avoid discussing religion, mysticism, or spirituality. There is no 
comment you can make that will not risk offending someone. Overt 
evangelization is not permitted. Do not reply to religious remarks made 
by others."

Hear that? "DO NOT REPLY" to the remarks others are making, in error, 
on a prohibited topic in a thread that I've already asked to be closed!

Go to http://www.silverlist.org and click on List Rules and Discipline 
Policy > Prohibited Topics.

A nice thread on the subject has been begun by Marshall on the Off 
Topic list. For the time being, the web archives are down, so you'll 
have to subscribe to receive the OT list in e-mail. Follow instructions 
at the Silver List web site, on the page for the Off Topic List.

Be well,

Mike Devour
Silver List Owner

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[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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CS>[List Owner] Reminder...

[M. G. Devour]

Hi folks,

Seeing as how we're averaging something like 50 messages per day right 
now, I'd like to remind everyone that we have a good place to take the 
discussions of stuff *unrelated* to Colloidal Silver.

The place for these discussions is the Silver Off Topic List. Everybody 
from the silver list is already approved to post to the Off Topic List. 
You can read the OT list on the web at...

   http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html

Or you can get it as e-mail by following the subscription instructions 
at the following URL:

   http://www.silverlist.org/OffTopic.html

You may post to the Off Topic List by addressing your messages to:

   silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com

The OT list has been pretty quiet lately while the main list roared 
along. Feel free to continue the lively discussion of Lo Carb diets, 
Diabetes, and Deodorant stones there!

Please don't interpret this as dropping the hammer on everything. I 
know that it'll take another day or two for any of those threads to 
finish up or move, and I don't mind at all that we've had these 
discussions.

My policy is that any reasonable health-related question is welcome, 
and *any* appropriate answers may be given, whether they relate to 
Colloidal Silver or not.

I then ask that non-CS-related threads be wound down or migrated off 
the list as soon as basic information is given and useful resources 
pointed out. Further detailed discussion or lengthy debate ought to 
move to the OT list or other forums.

Migrating a thread is as simple as adding ...

 silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com 

... to either the Addressee: or Copy To: field of your message and 
mentioning in the body of the mention that you'll be seeking replies on 
the OT list.

As always, all this information can be found at the Silver List web 
site, at:

   http://www.silverlist.org

That web address is in the footer at the bottom of every list message, 
along with my e-mail address if you need to talk to me.

Thanks for a great week of discussion, folks! A lot of good silver 
related topics have been covered, and many people have been getting 
good help. That is what our list is for.

Be well,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

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