CSDeath by CS, File Link

2008-10-01 Thread Wayne Fugitt


For the ones that have lost it already..

http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/Miscellaneous/

Formatted in Word,  Two Pages.

The link and the file works for me.  There should be no problem.

It should print nicely.  ( or half decent at least )

Wayne

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Re: CSDeath by CS, File Link

2008-10-01 Thread Clayton Family

Thank you for this, Wayne...

On Oct 1, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Wayne Fugitt wrote:



For the ones that have lost it already..

http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/Miscellaneous/

Formatted in Word,  Two Pages.

The link and the file works for me.  There should be no problem.

It should print nicely.  ( or half decent at least )

Wayne



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Re: CSDeath by CS.

2008-10-01 Thread Tony Moody
Dear David,

Thank you very much indeed. I think this is the main source of resistance
from mainstream medicine, it is taught in medical school as one of the
important things to know about silver.  Myoclonic status epilepticus ..
sounds dreadful doesn't it?  I am so glad you have put it into perspective. I
can't find bicaltamide in any of my books. Does that have a 'generic' name or
a pharmaceutical description I'd like to know the side effects if you have
them,. OK, I can google for it when on line again.

Of course the man could have had a seizure because his family took his toy(s)
away from him. :-(



Tony M

On 30 Sep 2008 at 19:20, David wrote about : Subject : CSDeath by CS.

 Some of you may have seen in Wikipedia (Colloidal silver), or other
 places, the reference to the death of a 71 year old man after
 ingesting CS. Specifically the title of the reference is...
 Myoclonic status epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of
 colloidal silver.

 I've purchased the article ($20). For your information, heres my
 summary of the case...

 1... Man aged about 70 finds out he has prostate cancer.
 2... Takes Bicaltamide (a prescribed drug with a few side effects)
 for 3 months.
 3... Following this he tried various nutritional and vitamin
 supplements, homeopathic remedies such as PC-SPES and essiac tea, and
 colloidal silver. (Its claimed his CS machine produced 4 litres of
 10ppm in 30 minutes). He drinks at least a ONE OUNCE a day for 4
 months. (Yep, you heard right, a whole ounce!)
 4... Wife and daughter confiscate his CS machine and give it to
 doctors. (Presumably this ended his CS intake)
 5... His prostate antigen level increases so he ceases all
 unconventional treatment and undergoes 7 weeks (35 cycles) of
 radiation therapy.
 6... Seizures begin 1 month after radio therapy ceases.  (This
 appears to be about 3 MONTHS AFTER CEASING CS INGESTION)
 7... He goes into 'Myoclonic status epilepticus' (a constant seizure)
 so Doctors put him into an INDUCED COMA and pump him with various drugs.
 8... Patient deteriorates to a persistant vegetative condition.
 9... Patient is shifted to his home town hospital where he dies of
 PNEUMONIA 5.5 months after seizures begin.

 At the time of 'his admission' blood tests revealed 'high levels of
 silver'.  (The article does not really clarify at which admission the
 blood samples were taken. It could have been back when his prostate
 antigen levels were tested.  Following death, an autopsy revealed
 'elevated silver in the grey matter'.  (I don't think either of these
 findings are particularly surprising.)


 OK folks, heres the rub...

 Is the focus of article about who or what killed him? No, its about
 what caused the seizures!

 Quote..His (the patients) extensive investigations (tests),
 including cranial MRIs, somatosensory evoked potentials, routine and
 special CSF studies for viruses or other microorganisms, porphyria,
 Hashimoto thyroiditis, connective tissue disease, and anti-Hu
 antibodies, WERE NORMAL. Patient´s liver function was also NORMAL.
 Therefore, we hypothesized the patient´s condition was caused by
 silver toxicity. Plasmapheresis resulted in significant improvement
 in his plasma (1.9 nmol/L), erythrocytes (2.2 nmol/L), and CSF (1.04
 nmol/L) silver levels without any associated neurologic recovery.

 In other words... We checked everything and all we could find was
 silver, so we are HYPOTHESIZING the silver (that he stopped taking 3
 MONTHS before the siezures) must have done it!  Sorry Mum and
 Daughter, its not our fault.  He's dead because of that damned silver!

 If I was a cynic I could suggest conventional medicine killed him,
 and colloidal silver became a convenient scapegoat.

 Regards
 David



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Re: CSDeath by CS.

2008-09-30 Thread M. G. Devour
Thank you David. That's good info to have around. sigh

Mike D.


 Some of you may have seen in Wikipedia (Colloidal silver), or other
 places, the reference to the death of a 71 year old man after  ingesting
 CS. Specifically the title of the reference is...  Myoclonic status
 epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of  colloidal silver.

 I've purchased the article ($20). For your information, heres my
 summary of the case...

 1... Man aged about 70 finds out he has prostate cancer.
 2... Takes Bicaltamide (a prescribed drug with a few side effects)  for
 3 months. 3... Following this he tried various nutritional and vitamin
 supplements, homeopathic remedies such as PC-SPES and essiac tea, and
 colloidal silver. (Its claimed his CS machine produced 4 litres of
 10ppm in 30 minutes). He drinks at least a ONE OUNCE a day for 4
 months. (Yep, you heard right, a whole ounce!) 4... Wife and daughter
 confiscate his CS machine and give it to  doctors. (Presumably this
 ended his CS intake) 5... His prostate antigen level increases so he
 ceases all  unconventional treatment and undergoes 7 weeks (35 cycles)
 of  radiation therapy. 6... Seizures begin 1 month after radio therapy
 ceases.  (This  appears to be about 3 MONTHS AFTER CEASING CS INGESTION)
 7... He goes into 'Myoclonic status epilepticus' (a constant seizure)
 so Doctors put him into an INDUCED COMA and pump him with various drugs.
 8... Patient deteriorates to a persistant vegetative condition. 9...
 Patient is shifted to his home town hospital where he dies of  PNEUMONIA
 5.5 months after seizures begin.

 At the time of 'his admission' blood tests revealed 'high levels of
 silver'.  (The article does not really clarify at which admission the
 blood samples were taken. It could have been back when his prostate
 antigen levels were tested.  Following death, an autopsy revealed
 'elevated silver in the grey matter'.  (I don't think either of these
 findings are particularly surprising.)


 OK folks, heres the rub...

 Is the focus of article about who or what killed him? No, its about
 what caused the seizures!

 Quote..His (the patients) extensive investigations (tests),
 including cranial MRIs, somatosensory evoked potentials, routine and
 special CSF studies for viruses or other microorganisms, porphyria,
 Hashimoto thyroiditis, connective tissue disease, and anti-Hu
 antibodies, WERE NORMAL. Patient’s liver function was also NORMAL.
 Therefore, we hypothesized the patient’s condition was caused by  silver
 toxicity. Plasmapheresis resulted in significant improvement  in his
 plasma (1.9 nmol/L), erythrocytes (2.2 nmol/L), and CSF (1.04  nmol/L)
 silver levels without any associated neurologic recovery.

 In other words... We checked everything and all we could find was
 silver, so we are HYPOTHESIZING the silver (that he stopped taking 3
 MONTHS before the siezures) must have done it!  Sorry Mum and  Daughter,
 its not our fault.  He's dead because of that damned silver!

 If I was a cynic I could suggest conventional medicine killed him,  and
 colloidal silver became a convenient scapegoat.

 Regards
 David



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CSDeath by CS.

2008-09-30 Thread David
Some of you may have seen in Wikipedia (Colloidal silver), or other  
places, the reference to the death of a 71 year old man after  
ingesting CS. Specifically the title of the reference is...  
Myoclonic status epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of  
colloidal silver.


I've purchased the article ($20). For your information, heres my  
summary of the case...


1... Man aged about 70 finds out he has prostate cancer.
2... Takes Bicaltamide (a prescribed drug with a few side effects)  
for 3 months.
3... Following this he tried various nutritional and vitamin  
supplements, homeopathic remedies such as PC-SPES and essiac tea, and  
colloidal silver. (Its claimed his CS machine produced 4 litres of  
10ppm in 30 minutes). He drinks at least a ONE OUNCE a day for 4  
months. (Yep, you heard right, a whole ounce!)
4... Wife and daughter confiscate his CS machine and give it to  
doctors. (Presumably this ended his CS intake)
5... His prostate antigen level increases so he ceases all  
unconventional treatment and undergoes 7 weeks (35 cycles) of  
radiation therapy.
6... Seizures begin 1 month after radio therapy ceases.  (This  
appears to be about 3 MONTHS AFTER CEASING CS INGESTION)
7... He goes into 'Myoclonic status epilepticus' (a constant seizure)  
so Doctors put him into an INDUCED COMA and pump him with various drugs.

8... Patient deteriorates to a persistant vegetative condition.
9... Patient is shifted to his home town hospital where he dies of  
PNEUMONIA 5.5 months after seizures begin.


At the time of 'his admission' blood tests revealed 'high levels of  
silver'.  (The article does not really clarify at which admission the  
blood samples were taken. It could have been back when his prostate  
antigen levels were tested.  Following death, an autopsy revealed  
'elevated silver in the grey matter'.  (I don't think either of these  
findings are particularly surprising.)



OK folks, heres the rub...

Is the focus of article about who or what killed him? No, its about  
what caused the seizures!


Quote..His (the patients) extensive investigations (tests),  
including cranial MRIs, somatosensory evoked potentials, routine and  
special CSF studies for viruses or other microorganisms, porphyria,  
Hashimoto thyroiditis, connective tissue disease, and anti-Hu  
antibodies, WERE NORMAL. Patient’s liver function was also NORMAL.  
Therefore, we hypothesized the patient’s condition was caused by  
silver toxicity. Plasmapheresis resulted in significant improvement  
in his plasma (1.9 nmol/L), erythrocytes (2.2 nmol/L), and CSF (1.04  
nmol/L) silver levels without any associated neurologic recovery.


In other words... We checked everything and all we could find was  
silver, so we are HYPOTHESIZING the silver (that he stopped taking 3  
MONTHS before the siezures) must have done it!  Sorry Mum and  
Daughter, its not our fault.  He's dead because of that damned silver!


If I was a cynic I could suggest conventional medicine killed him,  
and colloidal silver became a convenient scapegoat.


Regards
David



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RE: CSDeath by CS. cs x-rays

2008-09-30 Thread Dianne France

Reading this article made me wonder if cs in the body could react with x-ray?
I had never thought about that before and they always make you remove any
jewelry and metals before x-ray.  
 
I enjoyed reading the article and am saving it to file.  It's unbelievable what
the doctors can put you thru.
That is why they call it practicing medicine.
 
Dianne To: silver-list@eskimo.com From: da...@alchemysa.com.au Date: Tue, 30 
Sep 2008 19:20:35 +0930 Subject: CSDeath by CS.  Some of you may have seen 
in Wikipedia (Colloidal silver), or other  places, the reference to the death 
of a 71 year old man after  ingesting CS. Specifically the title of the 
reference is...  Myoclonic status epilepticus following repeated oral 
ingestion of  colloidal silver.

Re: CSDeath by CS.

2008-09-30 Thread Dee
Yes I have kept this too, in case some bright spark comes at me with 
this nonsense!  dee


M. G. Devour wrote:

Thank you David. That's good info to have around. sigh

Mike D.


  
Some of you may have seen in Wikipedia (Colloidal silver), or other 
places, the reference to the death of a 71 year old man after  ingesting

CS. Specifically the title of the reference is...  Myoclonic status
epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of  colloidal silver.

I've purchased the article ($20). For your information, heres my  
summary of the case...



  



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Re: CSDeath by CS.

2008-09-30 Thread Wayne Fugitt

At 12:04 PM 9/30/2008, you wrote:
Yes I have kept this too, in case some bright spark comes at me with 
this nonsense!  dee


   The best thing, about bright sparks,  is that,

 They do not last too long.

  Wayne

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Re: CSDeath by CS.

2008-09-30 Thread Dee

good one Wayne!  dee

Wayne Fugitt wrote:

At 12:04 PM 9/30/2008, you wrote:
Yes I have kept this too, in case some bright spark comes at me with 
this nonsense!  dee


   The best thing, about bright sparks,  is that,

 They do not last too long.

  Wayne





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Re: CSDeath by CS.

2008-09-30 Thread Roger Barker
Thanks very much David for taking the time and trouble (not to  
mention cost) to get this report and posting it for us all. Another  
one for our arsenal.


Cheers,  Roger


On 30 Sep, 2008, at 10:50 PM, David wrote:

Some of you may have seen in Wikipedia (Colloidal silver), or other  
places, the reference to the death of a 71 year old man after  
ingesting CS. Specifically the title of the reference is...  
Myoclonic status epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of  
colloidal silver.


I've purchased the article ($20). For your information, heres my  
summary of the case...


1... Man aged about 70 finds out he has prostate cancer.
2... Takes Bicaltamide (a prescribed drug with a few side effects)  
for 3 months.
3... Following this he tried various nutritional and vitamin  
supplements, homeopathic remedies such as PC-SPES and essiac tea, and  
colloidal silver. (Its claimed his CS machine produced 4 litres of  
10ppm in 30 minutes). He drinks at least a ONE OUNCE a day for 4  
months. (Yep, you heard right, a whole ounce!)
4... Wife and daughter confiscate his CS machine and give it to  
doctors. (Presumably this ended his CS intake)
5... His prostate antigen level increases so he ceases all  
unconventional treatment and undergoes 7 weeks (35 cycles) of  
radiation therapy.
6... Seizures begin 1 month after radio therapy ceases.  (This  
appears to be about 3 MONTHS AFTER CEASING CS INGESTION)
7... He goes into 'Myoclonic status epilepticus' (a constant seizure)  
so Doctors put him into an INDUCED COMA and pump him with various drugs.

8... Patient deteriorates to a persistant vegetative condition.
9... Patient is shifted to his home town hospital where he dies of  
PNEUMONIA 5.5 months after seizures begin.


At the time of 'his admission' blood tests revealed 'high levels of  
silver'.  (The article does not really clarify at which admission the  
blood samples were taken. It could have been back when his prostate  
antigen levels were tested.  Following death, an autopsy revealed  
'elevated silver in the grey matter'.  (I don't think either of these  
findings are particularly surprising.)



OK folks, heres the rub...

Is the focus of article about who or what killed him? No, its about  
what caused the seizures!


Quote..His (the patients) extensive investigations (tests),  
including cranial MRIs, somatosensory evoked potentials, routine and  
special CSF studies for viruses or other microorganisms, porphyria,  
Hashimoto thyroiditis, connective tissue disease, and anti-Hu  
antibodies, WERE NORMAL. Patient’s liver function was also NORMAL.  
Therefore, we hypothesized the patient’s condition was caused by  
silver toxicity. Plasmapheresis resulted in significant improvement  
in his plasma (1.9 nmol/L), erythrocytes (2.2 nmol/L), and CSF (1.04  
nmol/L) silver levels without any associated neurologic recovery.


In other words... We checked everything and all we could find was  
silver, so we are HYPOTHESIZING the silver (that he stopped taking 3  
MONTHS before the siezures) must have done it!  Sorry Mum and  
Daughter, its not our fault.  He's dead because of that damned silver!


If I was a cynic I could suggest conventional medicine killed him,  
and colloidal silver became a convenient scapegoat.


Regards
David





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Re: CSDeath by CS.

2008-09-30 Thread Jonathan B. Britten
You've provided priceless information.  This is an item to reference.  
If the list gets working archives, this should be one of the 
five-starred items.




On Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008, at 18:50 Asia/Tokyo, David wrote:

Some of you may have seen in Wikipedia (Colloidal silver), or other 
places, the reference to the death of a 71 year old man after 
ingesting CS. Specifically the title of the reference is... Myoclonic 
status epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of colloidal 
silver.


I've purchased the article ($20). For your information, heres my 
summary of the case...


1... Man aged about 70 finds out he has prostate cancer.
2... Takes Bicaltamide (a prescribed drug with a few side effects) for 
3 months. . . . 



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Re: CSDeath by CS.

2008-09-30 Thread Wayne Fugitt

At 09:07 PM 9/30/2008, you wrote:

You've provided priceless information.  This is an item to reference.
If the list gets working archives, this should be one of the 
five-starred items.]


  How much trouble is it to keep a copy of the message?

 I will format it and add it to the small collection of files.

 Wayne

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Re: CSDeath by CS?

2006-06-05 Thread Ode Coyote
  I'm pretty sure that no one has ever died from CS and just as pretty 
sure that many many more lived from it than didn't die.

 ;-)

..might kill werewolves though.
 We know from years of irrefutable movie research that if the particles 
are big enough and injected fast enough, it's not too healthy for them.

...something about burger guns and fast food

ode

At 12:50 PM 6/4/2006 -0400, you wrote:


Hi All,

I've been a lurker here for quite a bit of time.  At one point or
another you have answered all of my question somewhere along the lines
with all of the posts and the wonderful information contained in them.
Now I'm 99 99.% sure that I have seen that there has
not been a single death that can be attributed to cs.  Am I correct on
his?  I'm on another list with someone who says that they (in the past)
have seen and posted that cs is listed as COD in a coroner's report that
was on an FDA site.  Someone else says they can't find a thing on it.
Does anyone here know, or has anyone heard about it?

Debbie



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Re: CSDeath by CS?

2006-06-05 Thread Darn_itsme
 I thank you very much for your response.  I understand completely about the
uncontrollable rage.  I sat here wondering for quite a bit whether or not
to even waste everyones time with this (let alone my own).  For some reason
I just couldn't it go.  It's probably the way I can see them in my mind,
stomping they're little foot (then again, it could be a larger gentleman),
and crying well I showed you once, years ago, and we settled it then so go
away!.  
 
Anyway, I would now like to ask you if it would be alright to use your
response as there do seem to be a few people who are interested in cs and it
s safety.  A little more backup is always helpful.  ;o)
 
Debbie
 
 
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Brooks Bradley 
Date: 06/04/06 23:53:28 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSDeath by CS? 
 
Dear Debbie, 
It is possible to read almost anything on the Internetabout ANYTHING.
However, regarding Electrically Isolated Silver..there is, to our
knowledge, no officially recorded incident of a human being dying from
ingesting this form of colloidal silver. There have beento our knowledge
..cases involving Silver Protein compounds which have been posted as a
principal or controlling factor in human beings. We have not been able to
substantiate the actual reliability of ANY of these claimsincluding
those indirectly endorsed by the FDA. 
Additionally, posting a cause of death on a post-morteum document DOES NOT
(in all cases) prove to be the fact. The posted conclusions are, in many
cases, the best estimate of the coroner...not irrefutable fact. 
It is not my intent to declare that no one has died as a direct result of
metallic silver particle ingestionfrom any cause. However, I do contend
in favor of the position that there does not presently exist (in any of the
sources examined by our staff) positive evidence of a single fatality from
the ingestion of EIS-type colloidal silver (non-compounded)...at ANY
concentration reported within the spectrum-of-uses reported (500 ppm is the
highest we have any direct familiarity with). 
It is my singular opinion that such postings as the one which precipitated
your inquiry.will only increase in frequency, as the mainstream
patented-drug firms accelerate their efforts to impugn the splendid 
Non-toxic effects of pure colloidal silver. 
There is, to our knowledge, no single, non-toxic, substance presently extant
which even approaches the efficacy of even the most primitive, homemade
colloidal silver -at least that has been our experimental research
experience during the immediately-past eleven years. 
My apologies for this lengthy epistle..however, I claim your indulgence
based upon temporary uncontrollable rage, based upon the, repeated,
childishly ridiculous positions stated by personages fronting for the
FDA-Pharmaceutical combine. 
Most people spreading these unfounded indictments, 
In all probability, have never prosecuted a controlled study of ANYTHING
much less one of medical import. 
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. CEO. Eric Harborne 
Research Foundation. 
 
 
 


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Re: CSDeath by CS?

2006-06-05 Thread Darn_itsme
 LOL!  Darn it!  Forgot all about those werewolves.  I'll have to apologize
and let them know that.  
 
Debbie
 
PS.  Love my SilverPuppy.  Looking forward to getting the gel soon.  :o)
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Ode Coyote 
Date: 06/05/06 08:53:15 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSDeath by CS? 
 
I'm pretty sure that no one has ever died from CS and just as pretty 
Sure that many many more lived from it Than didn't die. 
;-) 
 
.might kill werewolves though. 
We know from years of irrefutable movie research that if the particles 
Are big enough and injected fast enough, it's not too healthy for them. 
..something about burger guns and fast food 
 
Ode 
 


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CSDeath by CS?

2006-06-04 Thread Darn itsme

Hi All,

I've been a lurker here for quite a bit of time.  At one point or
another you have answered all of my question somewhere along the lines
with all of the posts and the wonderful information contained in them.
Now I'm 99 99.% sure that I have seen that there has
not been a single death that can be attributed to cs.  Am I correct on
his?  I'm on another list with someone who says that they (in the past)
have seen and posted that cs is listed as COD in a coroner's report that
was on an FDA site.  Someone else says they can't find a thing on it.
Does anyone here know, or has anyone heard about it?

Debbie



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Re: CSDeath by CS?

2006-06-04 Thread Brooks Bradley
 Dear Debbie,
It is possible to read almost anything on the Internetabout ANYTHING. 
 However, regarding Electrically Isolated Silver..there is, to our 
knowledge, no officially recorded incident of a human being dying from 
ingesting this form of colloidal silver.  There have beento our 
knowledgecases involving Silver Protein compounds which have been posted as 
a principal or controlling factor in human beings.  We have not been able to 
substantiate the actual reliability of ANY of these claimsincluding those 
indirectly endorsed by the FDA.
   Additionally, posting a cause of death on a post-morteum document DOES 
NOT (in all cases) prove to be the fact.  The posted conclusions are, in many 
cases, the best estimate of the coroner...not irrefutable fact.
It is not my intent to declare that no one has died as a direct result 
of metallic silver particle ingestionfrom any cause.  However, I do contend 
in favor of the position that there does not presently exist (in any of the 
sources examined by our staff) positive evidence of a single fatality from the 
ingestion of EIS-type colloidal silver (non-compounded)...at ANY 
concentration reported within the spectrum-of-uses reported (500 ppm is the 
highest we have any direct familiarity with).
It is my singular opinion that such postings as the one which 
precipitated your inquiry.will only increase in frequency, as the 
mainstream patented-drug firms accelerate their efforts to impugn the splendid
non-toxic effects of pure colloidal silver.  
 There is, to our knowledge, no single, non-toxic, substance presently 
extant which even approaches the efficacy of even the most primitive, homemade 
colloidal silver -at least that has been our experimental research 
experience during the immediately-past eleven years.
   My apologies for this lengthy epistle..however, I claim your 
indulgence based upon temporary uncontrollable rage, based upon the, 
repeated, childishly ridiculous positions stated by personages fronting for the 
FDA-Pharmaceutical combine.
Most people spreading these unfounded indictments,
in all probability, have never prosecuted a controlled study of 
ANYTHING..much less one of medical import.
 Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.  CEO. Eric Harborne
Research Foundation.

Original Message -
 From: Darn itsme darn_it...@hotmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSDeath by CS?
 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:50:33 -0400
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I've been a lurker here for quite a bit of time.  At one point or
 another you have answered all of my question somewhere along the lines
 with all of the posts and the wonderful information contained in them.
 Now I'm 99 99.% sure that I have seen that there has
 not been a single death that can be attributed to cs.  Am I correct on
 his?  I'm on another list with someone who says that they (in the past)
 have seen and posted that cs is listed as COD in a coroner's report that
 was on an FDA site.  Someone else says they can't find a thing on it.
 Does anyone here know, or has anyone heard about it?
 
 Debbie
 
 
 
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