CSfloaters
Hi I was wondering if I could get the whole formulae to get rid of floaters. The amounts of CS Dr. Christophers and MS. This would be a big help -:) Michelle
RE: CSfloaters
Does anybody know about this. Thanks Mary Ellen _ From: michelle hamel [mailto:mham...@embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:28 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSfloaters Hi I was wondering if I could get the whole formulae to get rid of floaters. The amounts of CS Dr. Christophers and MS. This would be a big help -:) Michelle
Re: CSfloaters
On Jun 24, 2008, at 8:27 AM, michelle hamel wrote: Hi I was wondering if I could get the whole formulae to get rid of floaters. The amounts of CS Dr. Christophers and MS. This would be a big help -:) Michelle I haven't used this but here is a former post, I cannot add any clarification- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com Date: December 13, 2006 7:21:06 PM PST To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: floaters in the eyes Not a real recipe, Peter. Using CS as the liquid, I dissolve a tsp of MSM in about an ounce of CS and add about 15 drops of the tincture. Put it in one of those 1 oz dropper containers that artificial tears come in. You pry the top off. Google for online Dr Christopher formulas or visit your health food store. The number of drops depends on how lucky the punk feels today (my first batch was 8 drops of the good Dr's mix). BTW, my floaters were like heavy cargo nets used in shipping. I feared they were going to take over! Been 4 or 5 years now and all is well. Chuck -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSfloaters
Hi Chuck, Thanks for the reply on your recipe for the elimination of floaters. I have a couple of questions for you 1. How many drops of this solution in each eye 2. How many times a day did you apply the solution 3. How long did it take for the floaters to leave 4. Lastly, how did you pick the quantity of 1 tsp. of MSM I appreciate your kind reply...It's nice to see clearly. -:) Michelle
Re: CSfloaters
I had severe eye floaters, so much so that I feared an onset of blindness. My ophthalmologist was not much help, other than explaining that they consisted of junk buildup due to poor drainage. I came across some MSM drops on the net that helped somewhat. Further research led me to Dr Christopher's eyewash formula that contains eyebright, cayenne and other stuff. It comes as a tincture. Eventually, I devised the formula that I've used for years now: In an ounce ofcolloidal silver, dissolve a teaspoon of MSM granuals. add a teaspoon of DMSO and 15 drops of Dr Christophers Eyebright formula. I use one or two drops in each eye daily. It stings a bit due to the cayenne, but that passes quickly. The improvements appeared within a few days. I picked a teapoon of MSM/per oz of base liquid to achieve a saturated solution or close to it. MSM will soften skin and tissue. I figured it would help the permeability of the eyeball to pass detritus. CS keeps everything sterile. DMSO helps the formula to penetrate. Christopher's drops do what they do. I never told my opthamologist about my drops. He's been wondering why my eyes have not deteriorated over the years. Chuck This tagline isn't really very witty and it runs on and on and you'd probably be much happier reading some other tagline. Most of them aren't half as depressing as this one. Don't say I didn't warn you. On 6/24/2008 9:39:02 PM, michelle hamel (mham...@embarqmail.com) wrote: Hi Chuck, Thanks for the reply on your recipe for the elimination of floaters. I have a couple of questions for you 1. How many drops of this solution in each eye 2. How many times a day did you apply the solution 3. How long did it take for the floaters to leave 4. Lastly, how did you pick the quantity of 1 tsp. of MSM I appreciate your kind reply...It's nice to see clearly. -:) Michelle No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1515 - Release Date: 6/23/2008 7:16 PM
Re: CSFloaters in CS
I've made CS that strong and a little stronger that remained colorless but it's a real crapshoot with everything optimal and a lot of luck. My record so far is around 78 uS. I don't have that batch anymore. If I recall, I contaminated it [with backwash while tasting?] after it sat around for a few months and it went deep murky purple over about a weeks time afterwards. I think the slightest little thing will turn very strong CS before it stabilises but once stabile, it stays that way... if left alone. It's really hard to know what's in any given batch of water as none of them are exactly the same even from the same distiller. For quite a while there, I was unable to make a yellow batch even when running the gen till I was bored with it, then suddenly I made a couple out of several batches made very strong that went pale yellow in a few days. Same gen. I found no 'distinct' connection between using water at .4 uS and 5 uS to the stability of the end product, so I'm assuming it's not necessarily 'how' pure the water is but more 'what' whatever the trace impurities are. I have no way of knowing what makes any given batch of water do what it does. The amount of dissolved ozone in the water seems to make a difference as I've made batches with very fresh ozonated commercially distilled water that went yellow but didn't after letting the same water outgass for a few days. [Bubbles formed on the sides of the loosely capped jug] Perhaps running batches in short steps with time periods between steps helps. Continuous slow stirring and current control absolutely dramatically helps. Anyhow, reliable and predictable quality becomes more and more of a problem after around a 20-24 uS stopping point but it's not impossible. Ode At 01:37 PM 10/18/2004 -0400, you wrote: CSFloaters in CS From: Trem (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:30:36 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74101.html Hi Garnet, I believe the floaters are one atom thick and are floating because of surface tension so it appears like a lot but in actuality isn't. You may notice that they disappear when you pour the CS into another container. It's still only silver and water in the mix. I am unable to make colored CS with any of our automatic generators at the high setting. I use water we distill and also buy commercial DW to see how the store brands work. It always is crystal clear and colorless after production. As I've mentioned several times, we have CS that is well over 3 years old with no color change and a minimal drop in conductivity. I even have some that measures 45 uS which is still colorless. Best regards, Trem Trem, 45uS implies 45 ppm - this is twice the value most people get before the cs starts turning yellow! Do you recall anything about how it was made? Can you make it again? Do you think there may be something else in the cs that could be throwing the Hanna off? Is there a possibility something was in the dw that didn't show up during the brew, but increased the conductivity and makes the Hanna read high? Finally, isn't there a circuit that measures the voltage across the cell and shuts the generator off when it reaches the desired conductivity? If so, how did the 45 ppm cs make it past the shutoff setting? Any info you can give would be much appreciated! On the floaters - I get them all the time, but they don't disappear when I pour the cs into another container. They often break through the surface tension and sink to the bottom. If I add H2O2, they give off bubbles slowly for days or weeks. If I add some more H2O2 after they stop, they start again. There may be bubbles that seem to form from nothing on the side or bottom. This tells me the reaction of H2O2 on pure silver is very slow, unlike the reaction with silver oxide, which fizzes and bubbles. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfloaters, chunkies and sparklies
Trem incorporates it in his pro unit. I think the Wishgranted 777 uses it instead of stirring and some people don't care for the results much. The CS Pro calls it Pulse Phasic and doesn't use stirring or current control..PPM by timer which doesn't work and they know it. [ without buffering the water with baking soda which DOES make light sensitve silver carbonate despite what is claimed] Ole Bob used to make and sell a home gen that did that years ago, but no longer indulges in the process. I've played with it and actually have the circuit artwork done in surface mount technology. I'm undecided if it's worth it for the home user. Things are complicated enough already and the result isn't substantially better than straight DC. The thing is, frequency at a given voltage is critical to getting a consistant ion to particle ratio and PPM calibration for automatic operation depends on ionic conductivity...a relationship that's already tenuous enough. [But a thousand times better than using timers alone] If frequency is too fast and voltage too low, ions just zap right back onto the electrode. [You can use a higher frequency at higher voltages and you get into the HVAC realms in thousands of volts] Trem says he's using 75 volts in his pro machine. The replying post is correct. So far as I've found, no DC chips will handle more than 36 volts. There are ways around that no doubt and Trems Pro unit costs around $500..probably for good reasons that make small home units economically unfeasable. [Where is the SG8?] Going slower results in periodic puffs of particles coming off both electrodes and nice clean electrodes but lots of crud in the water. [that dissipates and/or settles] Going slower still makes for both electrodes turning black. 45 to 60 second cycles seem to do the best at a 28 volt starting point. The velocity of the ions leaving the electrodes, hence the field size and density that develops around the electrodes depends on voltage and current control constantly changes those voltages. There's another complication. Since the particle to ion ratio is controlled by the size and density of a field developing around the electrodes and stirring disrupts that field Varying stir rates changes everything. Change the batch size and stir rates change. Though all batches turned out nice, some exceptionally nice and none went yellow I found it very difficult to make one batch resemble the next. Since particle to ion ratios were obviously varying with any change anywhere, I have no way of knowing with ANY degree of certainty what PPM the result is at any given conductivity. Toss the meter right out the windowforget it. One batch that pleases me to the extreme meters at 14.5 uS but the TE is almost like skim milk. It could be 50 PPM. [30?, 100?..no clue]..and have yet to make another like it. IMO, the process shows promise but could require an instruction manual as thick as a book to get reasonably repeatable results. I suppose a set batch size and set stir rate and no way to vary the process would help consistancy...but that limits versatility. I dunno..still pondering if it's worth the complications when straight current controlled DC with stirring does very nicely and the only real advantage to LVDC polarity swapping is cleaner electrodes. That is, it's a fun Gee Whiz toy for me, but can picky Mr and Ms Average handle it? Then too, using surface mount tech requires robot assembly. The parts are too small to handle and there are a LOT more of them involved. That means a substantial investment in short run production that I cannot do myself without tweezers and a jewlers loup...or...mega quantities. To make it worth while 'production wise' and keep the generator price down under $200, I'd be stocked up with PC boards for the next ten years and eating beans for a while. [I already live on the DIY cheap] Staying with through hole technology means that signature package compactness goes out the window. I have a few ideas on that score. maybe maybe Ode At 10:27 PM 10/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: Evening Ode, Swapping the polarity of the electrodes just blows all that stuff into the water...no big deal, but looks sorta ugly ... for a while. I have been following all this with interest not sure whether I am being educated or confused. If the polarity swapping was of great value, it could be automated by circuit design, could it not? The interval of the reversing could even be variable. Seems some experimenting soul would have done it already. Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 10/15/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive:
Re: CSFloaters in CS
Hi Mike, I guess you didn't understand or I wasn't clear. I always have floaters in the container after making a batch with the SG7. They disappear when I drain the CS into another container. I assume the draining causes surface tension to let them go into the mix from the dropping into the receiver. I make one gallon at a time.I cannot tell you brew time. I never keep track. I would rather listen to paint dry or my hair grow. It averages 2 gallons/hour at 5 PPM. 1 gallon/hour at 10 PPM and 1/2 gallon/hour at 20 PPM. Sometimes faster...sometimes slower. Remember, it's current limited and has auto shutoff. I always make it to full strength because I calibrate each unit before shipping by making a batch to assure that it will produce what I say it will. So, we wind up with a surfeit of high strength CS. I use an electronic test jig for calibrating the SG6 units. Current density is not high since one the anode is always between two cathodes ant the other anode is adjacent one cathode. And then it reveres and so on. That gives about 24 square inches of anode and at 30 milliamps the density is about 1.25 ma./square inch. Not high at all. Starting at 75 volts just gets the unit up to speed quickly since the electrodes are about 1/2 inch apart. The current gradient in the water is pretty strong so that's why vigorous stirring is required. Otherwise the unit would shut off prematurely. The voltage begins to drop as soon as the target current is reached. Shut off voltage can be as low as 7-8 voltsdepending on the final strength desired. Yes, I use discrete components for the current regulator. My design. The only integrated chip is the comparator. All other components are discrete. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Mike Monett qjpcgiupu...@spammotel.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:52 PM Subject: Re: CSFloaters in CS Hi Trem, Yes, thank you very much. Your parameters are very interesting and I would like to study them more carefully. Can your give the exact volume of dw and the brew times? You probably won't see any floaters with the vigorous stirring - they are very fragile and would be blown away. Also, reversing polarity would likely prevent any buildup. With a starting voltage of 75 volts, you must be running fairly high current density. Also, this would require a discrete current source since no integrated current regulator I know of will handle more than about 36 volts between input and output. Is this true? The high voltage seems to indicate you are running at higher current density than most cs generators. The Nernst diffusion layer should be quite dense, and there should be a lot of combination of Ag+ and OH- ions at both electrodes. This produces the neutral silver oxide particles that agglomerate and cause yellowing, as well as a strong Tyndall. Some of the reactions are: Ag+ + OH- -- AgOH AgOH + AgOH -- 2AgO + H2O The Nernst diffusion layer must concentrate the ions to quite high density to allow this reaction. I have allowed a glass containing 1 inch of 20 ppm cs to evaporate down to 1/8 inch (took weeks!), and it remained clear with no hint of color. The final ppm must have been at least 20 * 8 = 160ppm. The salt test showed enormous flakes of silver chloride that were visible without a microscope. So it takes even higher concentration than this to convert significant numbers of ions to the various silver oxides. With the three nines process, the exponential current rise produces very density at the end of the brew which limits the ppm to 10 to 12 or so. Using lower current density allows higher ppm, perhaps up to 22ppm before significant yellowing starts. So the vigorous stirring in your system may disrupt the Nernst layer enough to reduce the conversion to oxides, and you get no yellowing. This is very significant! Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSfloaters, chunkies and sparklies
If you make the CS very strong without cleaning the electrodes, more hydrogen bubbles form, more silver makes it to those hydrogen bubbles, gain an electron and turn into particles getting trapped in their surface tension whie making them conductive as they get close enough to touch each other so more hydrogen bubbles will form on 'those' hydrogen bubbles to trap more silver. [grey fuzzies] When you remove the silver coated bubble formation from the water the bubbles tend to pop, transfer their surface tension load to the surface tension of the water and you get floaters. If the bubble formation gets thick enough it may detach portions of itself from the electrode but have enough bouyancy due to the hydrogen to float to the top and pop some of the bubbles...transferring part of the silver load to the surface of the water and some to other bubbles..which get heavy enough to sink. Some of these chunkies go up, some down and some up, then down and some just float around. [A sparklie is a small chunkie.] The hydrogen in the silver coated bubbles that reach the bottom eventually dissolves into the water and release a white 'cloud' that dissipates into the water identical to an ion cloud [It's really a particle cloudyou can't see ions at all] Eventually, floaters sparklies and chunkies just go away on their own and increase the TE of the water. Sometimes a little bit of white dust will be left stuck to the bottom as well. [silver hydroxide?] Floaters are only a few microns thick but have some weight which creates a depression in the surface tension of the water. They consist of silver particles held together by gravity like marbles in a bowl and 'look' a whole LOT worse than they are. It amounts to very little actual silver. Dragging a piece of paper towel across the surface of the water attaches those particles to the towel almost invisibly. ..or, just stir them in. Swapping the polarity of the electrodes just blows all that stuff into the water...no big deal, but looks sorta ugly ... for a while. I find the best way to deal with floaters, sparklies and chunkies is to just let the CS sit still for a while and decant. Ode At 10:07 PM 10/17/2004 -0500, you wrote: Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET * From: Garnet wrote: * Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:29:15 I make 10 ppm CS but you can use what ever concentration CS you have on hand. It would make it more effective presumable to use a higher concentration CS but I get floaters when I go higher. I have not tried running the CS twice to see if I can get it higher because 10 ppm seems to be effective. What is this about floaters and high concentration CS? Why would this be? Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFloaters in CS
Hi Garnet, I believe the floaters are one atom thick and are floating because of surface tension so it appears like a lot but in actuality isn't. You may notice that they disappear when you pour the CS into another container. It's still only silver and water in the mix. I am unable to make colored CS with any of our automatic generators at the high setting. I use water we distill and also buy commercial DW to see how the store brands work. It always is crystal clear and colorless after production. As I've mentioned several times, we have CS that is well over 3 years old with no color change and a minimal drop in conductivity. I even have some that measures 45 uS which is still colorless. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:57 AM Subject: Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET I get silver floaters in my CS when I go past 12 or 1 on the dial of my SG6. I make my own distilled water from well water. It does not light the conductance meter on the generator so I assume it is very pure. I think is more to do with the process of making a higher ppm CS. Maybe Trem or Mike or someone else could comment on why I get this when I try to make more concentrated CS. I also sometimes get a yellow tinge. I have not tried running it through twice. But it would be nice to know and to be able to make my distilled water go further by making higher ppm CS, but ten tastes better so I have not had a practical reason to look into it. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 22:07, Dan Nave wrote: Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET * From: Garnet wrote: * Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:29:15 I make 10 ppm CS but you can use what ever concentration CS you have on hand. It would make it more effective presumable to use a higher concentration CS but I get floaters when I go higher. I have not tried running the CS twice to see if I can get it higher because 10 ppm seems to be effective. What is this about floaters and high concentration CS? Why would this be? Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFloaters
Sorry, when you referred to floaters, I thought you meant floaters in the eye... As Rosanna Rosanadanna would say, Never Mind... Dan Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET From: Garnet (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:12:15 I get silver floaters in my CS when I go past 12 or 1 on the dial of my SG6. I make my own distilled water from well water. It does not light the conductance meter on the generator so I assume it is very pure. I think is more to do with the process of making a higher ppm CS. Maybe Trem or Mike or someone else could comment on why I get this when I try to make more concentrated CS. I also sometimes get a yellow tinge. I have not tried running it through twice. But it would be nice to know and to be able to make my distilled water go further by making higher ppm CS, but ten tastes better so I have not had a practical reason to look into it. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 22:07, Dan Nave wrote: Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET * From: Garnet wrote: * Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:29:15 I make 10 ppm CS but you can use what ever concentration CS you have on hand. It would make it more effective presumable to use a higher concentration CS but I get floaters when I go higher. I have not tried running the CS twice to see if I can get it higher because 10 ppm seems to be effective. What is this about floaters and high concentration CS? Why would this be? Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFloaters in CS
CSFloaters in CS From: Trem (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:30:36 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74101.html Hi Garnet, I believe the floaters are one atom thick and are floating because of surface tension so it appears like a lot but in actuality isn't. You may notice that they disappear when you pour the CS into another container. It's still only silver and water in the mix. I am unable to make colored CS with any of our automatic generators at the high setting. I use water we distill and also buy commercial DW to see how the store brands work. It always is crystal clear and colorless after production. As I've mentioned several times, we have CS that is well over 3 years old with no color change and a minimal drop in conductivity. I even have some that measures 45 uS which is still colorless. Best regards, Trem Trem, 45uS implies 45 ppm - this is twice the value most people get before the cs starts turning yellow! Do you recall anything about how it was made? Can you make it again? Do you think there may be something else in the cs that could be throwing the Hanna off? Is there a possibility something was in the dw that didn't show up during the brew, but increased the conductivity and makes the Hanna read high? Finally, isn't there a circuit that measures the voltage across the cell and shuts the generator off when it reaches the desired conductivity? If so, how did the 45 ppm cs make it past the shutoff setting? Any info you can give would be much appreciated! On the floaters - I get them all the time, but they don't disappear when I pour the cs into another container. They often break through the surface tension and sink to the bottom. If I add H2O2, they give off bubbles slowly for days or weeks. If I add some more H2O2 after they stop, they start again. There may be bubbles that seem to form from nothing on the side or bottom. This tells me the reaction of H2O2 on pure silver is very slow, unlike the reaction with silver oxide, which fizzes and bubbles. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFloaters in CS
Hi Mike, I made that particular batch on June 21, 2001 when I was designing the SG7 Pro and was using different current ranges to see what the relationship to current density versus production speed versus end product quality was. That batch was made using 30 milliamps and four electrodes 1.5 inches by 6 inches spaced .5 inches apart and wetted to about 5.25 inches. The electrodes were paired so that numbers 1 and 3 were connected together and numbers 2 and 4 were connected together. When current was applied odd ones were positive and the even ones were negative. I reversed the polarity ever 45 seconds as I recall. Stirring was done using a submergible fountain pump. Stirring was vigorous. My recollection is that I used water distilled with our Barnstead still. Conductivity is usually around 1.0 uS. I sometimes buy store brands to see what their readings are and to get a reference point. They usually read about 1.5 to 2.0 uS. This is the same setup I use today for the SG7 Pro. Starting voltage is around 75 volts. I also made some at 50 milliamps using 8 electrodes around the same time period. It's 30 uS and is still clear and colorless. I cannot remember the last time any CS turned yellow with our stirring models. I can make it yellow with the SG5 but it doesn't stir. I use a current limiter and when the voltage drop across the electrodes equals the setting on the PPM dial a comparator senses that and shuts the generator off. I stop the pump when I think about it. Sometimes most of a day goes by before I notice the pump is still running. Once voltage is removed from the electrodes stirring doesn't affect the CS. I make gallon+ batches almost every day and don't decant, I have a spigot in the container located near the bottom and just drain the CS into gallon DW bottles. I've never seen any silver in the water or seen any floaters when pouring out of the jugs. I assume they have fallen apart from the force of draining through the spigot and are in the water. Using a laser pointer doesn't show any sparklers so they must have gone to the bottom as you say. Or ??? In any case they aren't visible. I have had some customers want the units calibrated to at least 30 PPM so I crank the upper PPM shutoff setting higher but always give them the caveat if it turns yellow don't turn the dial so high. But I don't get feedback telling me they have any problems with agglomeration so I guess it works for them just as it did for me. I normally calibrate them to 20+ PPM. I hope this helps. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Mike Monett qjpcgiupu...@spammotel.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: Re: CSFloaters in CS CSFloaters in CS From: Trem (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:30:36 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74101.html Hi Garnet, I believe the floaters are one atom thick and are floating because of surface tension so it appears like a lot but in actuality isn't. You may notice that they disappear when you pour the CS into another container. It's still only silver and water in the mix. I am unable to make colored CS with any of our automatic generators at the high setting. I use water we distill and also buy commercial DW to see how the store brands work. It always is crystal clear and colorless after production. As I've mentioned several times, we have CS that is well over 3 years old with no color change and a minimal drop in conductivity. I even have some that measures 45 uS which is still colorless. Best regards, Trem Trem, 45uS implies 45 ppm - this is twice the value most people get before the cs starts turning yellow! Do you recall anything about how it was made? Can you make it again? Do you think there may be something else in the cs that could be throwing the Hanna off? Is there a possibility something was in the dw that didn't show up during the brew, but increased the conductivity and makes the Hanna read high? Finally, isn't there a circuit that measures the voltage across the cell and shuts the generator off when it reaches the desired conductivity? If so, how did the 45 ppm cs make it past the shutoff setting? Any info you can give would be much appreciated! On the floaters - I get them all the time, but they don't disappear when I pour the cs into another container. They often break through the surface tension and sink to the bottom. If I add H2O2, they give off bubbles slowly for days or weeks. If I add some more H2O2 after they stop, they start again. There may be bubbles that seem to form from nothing on the side or bottom. This tells me the reaction of H2O2 on pure silver is very slow, unlike the reaction with silver oxide, which fizzes and bubbles. Best Wishes
Re: CSFloaters in CS
Hi Trem, Yes, thank you very much. Your parameters are very interesting and I would like to study them more carefully. Can your give the exact volume of dw and the brew times? You probably won't see any floaters with the vigorous stirring - they are very fragile and would be blown away. Also, reversing polarity would likely prevent any buildup. With a starting voltage of 75 volts, you must be running fairly high current density. Also, this would require a discrete current source since no integrated current regulator I know of will handle more than about 36 volts between input and output. Is this true? The high voltage seems to indicate you are running at higher current density than most cs generators. The Nernst diffusion layer should be quite dense, and there should be a lot of combination of Ag+ and OH- ions at both electrodes. This produces the neutral silver oxide particles that agglomerate and cause yellowing, as well as a strong Tyndall. Some of the reactions are: Ag+ + OH- -- AgOH AgOH + AgOH -- 2AgO + H2O The Nernst diffusion layer must concentrate the ions to quite high density to allow this reaction. I have allowed a glass containing 1 inch of 20 ppm cs to evaporate down to 1/8 inch (took weeks!), and it remained clear with no hint of color. The final ppm must have been at least 20 * 8 = 160ppm. The salt test showed enormous flakes of silver chloride that were visible without a microscope. So it takes even higher concentration than this to convert significant numbers of ions to the various silver oxides. With the three nines process, the exponential current rise produces very density at the end of the brew which limits the ppm to 10 to 12 or so. Using lower current density allows higher ppm, perhaps up to 22ppm before significant yellowing starts. So the vigorous stirring in your system may disrupt the Nernst layer enough to reduce the conversion to oxides, and you get no yellowing. This is very significant! Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfloaters, chunkies and sparklies
Evening Ode, Swapping the polarity of the electrodes just blows all that stuff into the water...no big deal, but looks sorta ugly ... for a while. I have been following all this with interest not sure whether I am being educated or confused. If the polarity swapping was of great value, it could be automated by circuit design, could it not? The interval of the reversing could even be variable. Seems some experimenting soul would have done it already. Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 10/15/2004
Re: CSfloaters, chunkies and sparklies
My generator switches polarity every 55 seconds electronicly and doesn't use stirring. I get 22 ppm of clear CS. I decant by the use of a sun tea jar with a spiggot on the side. You just set it and forget it. No filtering or wipeing the electrodes. Dave Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening Ode, Swapping the polarity of the electrodes just blows all that stuff into the water...no big deal, but looks sorta ugly ... for a while. I have been following all this with interest not sure whether I am being educated or confused. If the polarity swapping was of great value, it could be automated by circuit design, could it not? The interval of the reversing could even be variable. Seems some experimenting soul would have done it already. Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 10/15/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSfloaters
Ole Bob - you're getting a grumpy ole Bob! If you were to live in my house for a week, you may be a little more understanding. Anyway, my generator is comprised of a 230 volt transformer with 27v direct current @100ma and 50Hz. When people say just stick a Christmas light underneath to generate motion - is akin to telling me to fly to the moon! Give us a break here. I am trying to learn the best I can with what little time I have to do so - I could probably hold my own against you intellectually, but not electrically! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfloaters
Tracy, Wipe the lighter of the two electrode, this should be the one with the greatest build up. Merry Christmas to you also and I hope your youngster makes a quick recovery. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Nick Grant nwgr...@inet.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 22 December 2000 09:51 Subject: CSfloaters Hi Since we are on the question of electrodes - when I make my CS after about 50 minutes silver looking bits float of one of the electrodes to the top of the water. When I pick them off, they are like soot. Please tell me these are not silver particles. They look silver. I am now wiping both the electrodes half way through to make sure this doesn't happen. Ivan, should I only be wiping the electrode that the particles are floating off from? I am just on my way to hospital with the youngest. Middle had the tummy bug, got over it quickly. My youngest won't even be touched, and is screaming like she is in horrible pain. Great Christmas. last year we were in hospital when she fell off the bed and broke her femur, then caught gastro etc, etc - 2 lots of general anaesthetic later.. I was hoping to avoid hospital this year...oh wellla,la,la. Tracy. P.S Merry Christmas to everyone. Hope you all have a restful, peaceful time. Remember the reason for the season! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.219 / Virus Database: 103 - Release Date: 05/12/2000 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfloaters
Nick Grant wrote: Ole Bob - you're getting a grumpy ole Bob! If you were to live in my house for a week, you may be a little more understanding. Anyway, my generator is comprised of a 230 volt transformer with 27v direct current @100ma and 50Hz. When people say just stick a Christmas light underneath to generate motion - is akin to telling me to fly to the moon! Give us a break here. I am trying to learn the best I can with what little time I have to do so - I could probably hold my own against you intellectually, but not electrically! It is the same as a nightlight bulb, 7 watt if I remember right. Small conical shaped with a small screw in base. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSfloaters
Hi Since we are on the question of electrodes - when I make my CS after about 50 minutes silver looking bits float of one of the electrodes to the top of the water. When I pick them off, they are like soot. Please tell me these are not silver particles. They look silver. I am now wiping both the electrodes half way through to make sure this doesn't happen. Ivan, should I only be wiping the electrode that the particles are floating off from? I am just on my way to hospital with the youngest. Middle had the tummy bug, got over it quickly. My youngest won't even be touched, and is screaming like she is in horrible pain. Great Christmas. last year we were in hospital when she fell off the bed and broke her femur, then caught gastro etc, etc - 2 lots of general anaesthetic later.. I was hoping to avoid hospital this year...oh wellla,la,la. Tracy. P.S Merry Christmas to everyone. Hope you all have a restful, peaceful time. Remember the reason for the season! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfloaters
Tracy; Review the archives. All this has been covered many times as the newbies never want to review history. What do we learn from history? We learn nothing from history. The only thing in the solution is WATER and SILVER. Yes, they are silver particles. Are you continually stirring the CS? If not why not? Stirring has been adapted by about everyone as it makes a better grade of CS. You did not say whether you are using constant voltage or constant current. It does make a difference as to how one would answer you question. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
