Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
My husband too, Kirsten. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 09/05/2007 20:51:08 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You Well I would for one! I get vit B12 injections every 8 weeks as I have pernicious aneamia. My body lacks intrinsic factor which means that no matter how much B12 I take orally, the body can't utilise it. Before I was diagnosed and treatment started, I was very ill indeed Kirsteen -- Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
No. Dee wrote: But wouldn't the subjects who are being given the supplements/drugs die or be seriously ill, if not given them? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Garnet Date: 09/05/2007 12:55:02 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You The supplement are being used the same as a drug, are a drug -- defined As any exogenous substance, not produce in the body, used Therapeutically. Vit K is available only by prescription for instance. Janet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
On 5/10/07, Garnet garnetri...@granitepoint.net wrote: No. Not sure how on earth you can argue 'no' here. I can assure you that without B12 injections I was seriously ill and would probably be dead by now. In fact I believe it was originally caled 'pernicious' because people used to die from it. kirsteen Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
I should have said not always. It's just that this discussion has gone on way too long and I was trying to keep my message short. Janet Kirsteen Wright wrote: On 5/10/07, *Garnet* garnetri...@granitepoint.net mailto:garnetri...@granitepoint.net wrote: No. Not sure how on earth you can argue 'no' here. I can assure you that without B12 injections I was seriously ill and would probably be dead by now. In fact I believe it was originally caled 'pernicious' because people used to die from it. kirsteen Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
I reread these messages. My point was that supplements are not the best way to provide nutrients to the body, food is. Dee was twisting the point of the discussion again. Sorry guys, but once again I am off this list, for all the same reasons. It is a waste of time trying to have a logical discussion on this list. Buh bye all, Janet Kirsteen Wright wrote: On 5/10/07, *Garnet* garnetri...@granitepoint.net mailto:garnetri...@granitepoint.net wrote: No. Not sure how on earth you can argue 'no' here. I can assure you that without B12 injections I was seriously ill and would probably be dead by now. In fact I believe it was originally caled 'pernicious' because people used to die from it. kirsteen Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
On 5/10/07, Garnet garnetri...@granitepoint.net wrote: I reread these messages. My point was that supplements are not the best way to provide nutrients to the body, food is. Dee was twisting the point of the discussion again. Sorry guys, but once again I am off this list, for all the same reasons. It is a waste of time trying to have a logical discussion on this list. Yet when it's pointed out to you for some people food is not enough and supplements literally are a matter of life and death, you decide it's a waste of time because you can't have a logical argument. To me that apears highly illogical. kirsteen -- Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done
RE: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
Dear Janet, No one is going to get agreement from everyone on emotionally charged issues like vegetarianism vs meat eating or any other issue people insist on relating to emotionally - like their pets. Although certain people persist in arguing, many of the rest have learned something from the discussion. I, for one, appreciate your perspective and your analytical/research ability. You certainly don't have to leave. Dan I reread these messages. My point was that supplements are not the best way to provide nutrients to the body, food is. Dee was twisting the point of the discussion again. Sorry guys, but once again I am off this list, for all the same reasons. It is a waste of time trying to have a logical discussion on this list. Buh bye all, Janet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
I am baffled. How did I do that? I was only asking a question as far as I am aware. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Garnet Date: 10/05/2007 14:01:50 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You Dee was twisting the point of the discussion again.
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
I thought that accusation was very strange Dee. And she said it more than once too! You didn't twist anything Dear. Jodi Dee wrote on 5/10/2007, 10:48 AM: I am baffled. How did I do that? I was only asking a question as far as I am aware. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Garnet Date: 10/05/2007 14:01:50 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You Dee was twisting the point of the discussion again. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
The supplement are being used the same as a drug, are a drug -- defined as any exogenous substance, not produce in the body, used therapeutically. Vit K is available only by prescription for instance. Janet Dee wrote: But even doctors sometimes give supplements, i.e. Vit B12 or vit K etc., is this different? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Garnet Date: 08/05/2007 01:17:09 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You Because they are so concentrated supplements can easily cause a Disturbance. In food the nutrients are in a naturally occurring balance, If the food is grown under healthy conditions, soil, appropriate sources Of nutrients in the soil etc. That food is what our systems evolved on Not metallic forms of minerals and isolated nutrients in capsules that Do not act in the same way in the body as nutrients in a plant or animal Based matrix of other nutrients that enhance and modulate each other. That small fortune is what motivates the spin doctors to convince people To buy their supplements. At least you have made someone happy buying Them. smile Janet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
But wouldn't the subjects who are being given the supplements/drugs die or be seriously ill, if not given them? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Garnet Date: 09/05/2007 12:55:02 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You The supplement are being used the same as a drug, are a drug -- defined As any exogenous substance, not produce in the body, used Therapeutically. Vit K is available only by prescription for instance. Janet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
On 5/9/07, Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: But wouldn't the subjects who are being given the supplements/drugs die or be seriously ill, if not given them? Dee Well I would for one! I get vit B12 injections every 8 weeks as I have pernicious aneamia. My body lacks intrinsic factor which means that no matter how much B12 I take orally, the body can't utilise it. Before I was diagnosed and treatment started, I was very ill indeed Kirsteen -- Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You?
According to some evidence, we didn't evolve and nearly all domestic foods and farm animals are ancient GM. We haven't hit that level of expertise, or, Why back when, there were a whole lot of people who didn't make it before weeding out those who couldn't tolerate the crops. Evidence of others being what can be forced into genetic linkages as a linear chain of relatives when much more is not known than is and many artifacts are plain frauds, may well fit better as a series of failed prototypes. Somehow believing that a little weak naked person that dies of exposure in just a few days can make what pretty much has to be a many decade leap into survival technology learning to make tools and shelter, is a leap in faith.. in the HIGHLY unlikely. Even in our own human myths, similar everywhere, there was a period of protection and basic technology, domestic animals and crops were gifts. ..and Homo Sapiens is not all that old. Ode At 11:58 AM 5/7/2007 -0500, you wrote: Just don't get me started. We did not evolve to live with genetically engineered food, but the FDA has permitted it in just about everything. GM medicines don't concern me as much, due to the safety trials involved, but still, not in nature. We also did not evolve to eat pesticides. It is also against Nature to force vegetarian animals to consume animal foods. It is my belief that we all have an innate ability to instinctivley know what works for us. One man's food is anothre man's poison, etc. When we damage that innate ability through whatever means (drugs, alcohol, chemical exposure, illness) it is bad news. Kathryn On May 7, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Garnet wrote: My experience in medical research, as a pharmacologist specializing in neuro-pharmacology is that we often make *ass-umptions that are not borne out by well conducted basic studies. The studies quoted here, although I have not looked into them in detail appear to be well conducted. Basically we evolved over billions of years, if you count our evolution from the Big Bang about 4 billion. If you count it from the arrival of Cromagnon about ten thousand. Science and the whole neutriceutical scene is less than fifty years old. Food as medicine is a time tested principle. Synthesized supplements are not. And well, too much of a good thing can do harm, look at the college kids that killed themselves drinking a couple gallons of water in a short period of time in a hazing incident. Who would think drinking a lot of water is bad for you? Current wisdom tells us to drink more water, but there is a balance to be struck. Who knows more about the human system than Mother Nature, certainly not the profit motivated folks who push the supplements. But we humans are by nature always looking for a better easier way, a quick fix. It's just so much easier than doing the work of supplying ourselves with good wholesome meals on a regular basis. That makes most of us an easy target for a fast talking salesman that promises to make life healthier, easier and cheaper than the old fashioned way called eating a good diet and taking care of your physical body. Heck no one wants to slow down, take the time to rest and eat good food -- we all feel pushed to keep up with the fast pace of life these days. Also this generation grew up on pills and fast food, so we have a definite bias away from natural sources. Janet Dee wrote: This is absolutely devastating if true, and turns everything I have ever thought to be right, on its head! Dee ---Original Message--- From: Garnet Date: 07/05/2007 03:19:41 To: crock_lakhov...@yahoogroups.com; Silver List Subject: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You? Ran across this article when reading up on Silica Hydride (couldn't wait DB, had to search). http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19125631.500 If it turns out that antioxidants in food work because they generate Health-promoting quantities of free radicals, that would be an ironic Turnaround. It may also explain why supplements and extracts don't seem To work or may even be dangerous: the doses are too high, and produce Too many free radicals. For now, the advice is simple. Stick to flavonoid-rich foods, red wine In moderation, tea, fruits and vegetables, says Halliwell. Don't start Taking high-dose supplements or heavily fortified foods, until we know More. A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth. Albert Einstein, 1901 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
But even doctors sometimes give supplements, i.e. Vit B12 or vit K etc., is this different? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Garnet Date: 08/05/2007 01:17:09 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You Because they are so concentrated supplements can easily cause a Disturbance. In food the nutrients are in a naturally occurring balance, If the food is grown under healthy conditions, soil, appropriate sources Of nutrients in the soil etc. That food is what our systems evolved on Not metallic forms of minerals and isolated nutrients in capsules that Do not act in the same way in the body as nutrients in a plant or animal Based matrix of other nutrients that enhance and modulate each other. That small fortune is what motivates the spin doctors to convince people To buy their supplements. At least you have made someone happy buying Them. smile Janet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You?
This is absolutely devastating if true, and turns everything I have ever thought to be right, on its head! Dee ---Original Message--- From: Garnet Date: 07/05/2007 03:19:41 To: crock_lakhov...@yahoogroups.com; Silver List Subject: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You? Ran across this article when reading up on Silica Hydride (couldn't wait DB, had to search). http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19125631.500 If it turns out that antioxidants in food work because they generate Health-promoting quantities of free radicals, that would be an ironic Turnaround. It may also explain why supplements and extracts don't seem To work or may even be dangerous: the doses are too high, and produce Too many free radicals. For now, the advice is simple. Stick to flavonoid-rich foods, red wine In moderation, tea, fruits and vegetables, says Halliwell. Don't start Taking high-dose supplements or heavily fortified foods, until we know More. -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You?
My experience in medical research, as a pharmacologist specializing in neuro-pharmacology is that we often make *ass-umptions that are not borne out by well conducted basic studies. The studies quoted here, although I have not looked into them in detail appear to be well conducted. Basically we evolved over billions of years, if you count our evolution from the Big Bang about 4 billion. If you count it from the arrival of Cromagnon about ten thousand. Science and the whole neutriceutical scene is less than fifty years old. Food as medicine is a time tested principle. Synthesized supplements are not. And well, too much of a good thing can do harm, look at the college kids that killed themselves drinking a couple gallons of water in a short period of time in a hazing incident. Who would think drinking a lot of water is bad for you? Current wisdom tells us to drink more water, but there is a balance to be struck. Who knows more about the human system than Mother Nature, certainly not the profit motivated folks who push the supplements. But we humans are by nature always looking for a better easier way, a quick fix. It's just so much easier than doing the work of supplying ourselves with good wholesome meals on a regular basis. That makes most of us an easy target for a fast talking salesman that promises to make life healthier, easier and cheaper than the old fashioned way called eating a good diet and taking care of your physical body. Heck no one wants to slow down, take the time to rest and eat good food -- we all feel pushed to keep up with the fast pace of life these days. Also this generation grew up on pills and fast food, so we have a definite bias away from natural sources. Janet Dee wrote: This is absolutely devastating if true, and turns everything I have ever thought to be right, on its head! Dee ---Original Message--- From: Garnet Date: 07/05/2007 03:19:41 To: crock_lakhov...@yahoogroups.com; Silver List Subject: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You? Ran across this article when reading up on Silica Hydride (couldn't wait DB, had to search). http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19125631.500 If it turns out that antioxidants in food work because they generate Health-promoting quantities of free radicals, that would be an ironic Turnaround. It may also explain why supplements and extracts don't seem To work or may even be dangerous: the doses are too high, and produce Too many free radicals. For now, the advice is simple. Stick to flavonoid-rich foods, red wine In moderation, tea, fruits and vegetables, says Halliwell. Don't start Taking high-dose supplements or heavily fortified foods, until we know More. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You?
So wouldn't this apply to dogs too? Dee ---Original Message--- Food as medicine is a time tested principle. Synthesized supplements are Not. Who knows more about the human system than Mother Nature, certainly not The profit motivated folks who push the supplements. But we humans are By nature always looking for a better easier way, a quick fix. It's just So much easier than doing the work of supplying ourselves with good Wholesome meals on a regular basis. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
Hi all you scientific geniuses out there, regarding the article that Janet posted about antioxidants, would this apply to things like minerals i.e. Concentrace, or indeed, iodine supplements, or things like alpha lipoic acid etc., I'm asking because I have just spent a small fortune on these substances! TIA Dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You?
Just don't get me started. We did not evolve to live with genetically engineered food, but the FDA has permitted it in just about everything. GM medicines don't concern me as much, due to the safety trials involved, but still, not in nature. We also did not evolve to eat pesticides. It is also against Nature to force vegetarian animals to consume animal foods. It is my belief that we all have an innate ability to instinctivley know what works for us. One man's food is anothre man's poison, etc. When we damage that innate ability through whatever means (drugs, alcohol, chemical exposure, illness) it is bad news. Kathryn On May 7, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Garnet wrote: My experience in medical research, as a pharmacologist specializing in neuro-pharmacology is that we often make *ass-umptions that are not borne out by well conducted basic studies. The studies quoted here, although I have not looked into them in detail appear to be well conducted. Basically we evolved over billions of years, if you count our evolution from the Big Bang about 4 billion. If you count it from the arrival of Cromagnon about ten thousand. Science and the whole neutriceutical scene is less than fifty years old. Food as medicine is a time tested principle. Synthesized supplements are not. And well, too much of a good thing can do harm, look at the college kids that killed themselves drinking a couple gallons of water in a short period of time in a hazing incident. Who would think drinking a lot of water is bad for you? Current wisdom tells us to drink more water, but there is a balance to be struck. Who knows more about the human system than Mother Nature, certainly not the profit motivated folks who push the supplements. But we humans are by nature always looking for a better easier way, a quick fix. It's just so much easier than doing the work of supplying ourselves with good wholesome meals on a regular basis. That makes most of us an easy target for a fast talking salesman that promises to make life healthier, easier and cheaper than the old fashioned way called eating a good diet and taking care of your physical body. Heck no one wants to slow down, take the time to rest and eat good food -- we all feel pushed to keep up with the fast pace of life these days. Also this generation grew up on pills and fast food, so we have a definite bias away from natural sources. Janet Dee wrote: This is absolutely devastating if true, and turns everything I have ever thought to be right, on its head! Dee ---Original Message--- From: Garnet Date: 07/05/2007 03:19:41 To: crock_lakhov...@yahoogroups.com; Silver List Subject: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You? Ran across this article when reading up on Silica Hydride (couldn't wait DB, had to search). http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19125631.500 If it turns out that antioxidants in food work because they generate Health-promoting quantities of free radicals, that would be an ironic Turnaround. It may also explain why supplements and extracts don't seem To work or may even be dangerous: the doses are too high, and produce Too many free radicals. For now, the advice is simple. Stick to flavonoid-rich foods, red wine In moderation, tea, fruits and vegetables, says Halliwell. Don't start Taking high-dose supplements or heavily fortified foods, until we know More. A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth. Albert Einstein, 1901 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You?
I do agree with what you say about GMO's. I have been trying to get out the message for a few years. Most people seem to trust Uncle Sam and the FDA. I noticed that you said you wern't worried about the medical GMO's. Unfortunately, I don't think that you can count on the government on that either. Most people won't have a clue that GMO's are in there meds. There is one that is heavily advertized on TV that my husband took when he had Cancer. Remember, they are unlabeled. Unfortunately, GMO's are now contained in some supplements. Remember, they are UNLABELED. Sorry state, but I don't see the government protecting medicine any better than they currently seem to be protecting anything else. If the GMO medicial ingredients drift off into someone elses food, meant for the food supply, Oh well, time for Big Brother to start bitching about trial lawyers. Paula - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You? Just don't get me started. We did not evolve to live with genetically engineered food, but the FDA has permitted it in just about everything. GM medicines don't concern me as much, due to the safety trials involved, but still, not in nature. We also did not evolve to eat pesticides. It is also against Nature to force vegetarian animals to consume animal foods. It is my belief that we all have an innate ability to instinctivley know what works for us. One man's food is anothre man's poison, etc. When we damage that innate ability through whatever means (drugs, alcohol, chemical exposure, illness) it is bad news. Kathryn On May 7, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Garnet wrote: My experience in medical research, as a pharmacologist specializing in neuro-pharmacology is that we often make *ass-umptions that are not borne out by well conducted basic studies. The studies quoted here, although I have not looked into them in detail appear to be well conducted. Basically we evolved over billions of years, if you count our evolution from the Big Bang about 4 billion. If you count it from the arrival of Cromagnon about ten thousand. Science and the whole neutriceutical scene is less than fifty years old. Food as medicine is a time tested principle. Synthesized supplements are not. And well, too much of a good thing can do harm, look at the college kids that killed themselves drinking a couple gallons of water in a short period of time in a hazing incident. Who would think drinking a lot of water is bad for you? Current wisdom tells us to drink more water, but there is a balance to be struck. Who knows more about the human system than Mother Nature, certainly not the profit motivated folks who push the supplements. But we humans are by nature always looking for a better easier way, a quick fix. It's just so much easier than doing the work of supplying ourselves with good wholesome meals on a regular basis. That makes most of us an easy target for a fast talking salesman that promises to make life healthier, easier and cheaper than the old fashioned way called eating a good diet and taking care of your physical body. Heck no one wants to slow down, take the time to rest and eat good food -- we all feel pushed to keep up with the fast pace of life these days. Also this generation grew up on pills and fast food, so we have a definite bias away from natural sources. Janet Dee wrote: This is absolutely devastating if true, and turns everything I have ever thought to be right, on its head! Dee ---Original Message--- From: Garnet Date: 07/05/2007 03:19:41 To: crock_lakhov...@yahoogroups.com; Silver List Subject: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You? Ran across this article when reading up on Silica Hydride (couldn't wait DB, had to search). http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19125631.500 If it turns out that antioxidants in food work because they generate Health-promoting quantities of free radicals, that would be an ironic Turnaround. It may also explain why supplements and extracts don't seem To work or may even be dangerous: the doses are too high, and produce Too many free radicals. For now, the advice is simple. Stick to flavonoid-rich foods, red wine In moderation, tea, fruits and vegetables, says Halliwell. Don't start Taking high-dose supplements or heavily fortified foods, until we know More. A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth. Albert Einstein, 1901 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You?
Yes but does anyone eat an untainted diet? I doubt that it exists, but we like to believe it does. Janet Dee wrote: So wouldn't this apply to dogs too? Dee ---Original Message--- Food as medicine is a time tested principle. Synthesized supplements are Not. Who knows more about the human system than Mother Nature, certainly not The profit motivated folks who push the supplements. But we humans are By nature always looking for a better easier way, a quick fix. It's just So much easier than doing the work of supplying ourselves with good Wholesome meals on a regular basis. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
Remember that any supplements you do not absorb must be removed from your system. That puts a load on your liver and kidneys. You can also easily unbalance your minerals by taking too much of one and not enough of another. This same is true for most nutrients in the body that are in balance to one and other. Upset this balance and you pay a price, it puts a load on the body in many ways that often are not easily detected or isolated in a complex biological system. Because they are so concentrated supplements can easily cause a disturbance. In food the nutrients are in a naturally occurring balance, if the food is grown under healthy conditions, soil, appropriate sources of nutrients in the soil etc. That food is what our systems evolved on not metallic forms of minerals and isolated nutrients in capsules that do not act in the same way in the body as nutrients in a plant or animal based matrix of other nutrients that enhance and modulate each other. That small fortune is what motivates the spin doctors to convince people to buy their supplements. At least you have made someone happy buying them. smile Janet Dee wrote: Hi all you scientific geniuses out there, regarding the article that Janet posted about antioxidants, would this apply to things like minerals i.e. Concentrace, or indeed, iodine supplements, or things like alpha lipoic acid etc., I'm asking because I have just spent a small fortune on these substances! TIA Dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFood as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You?
Ran across this article when reading up on Silica Hydride (couldn't wait DB, had to search). http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19125631.500 If it turns out that antioxidants in food work because they generate health-promoting quantities of free radicals, that would be an ironic turnaround. It may also explain why supplements and extracts don't seem to work or may even be dangerous: the doses are too high, and produce too many free radicals. For now, the advice is simple. Stick to flavonoid-rich foods, red wine in moderation, tea, fruits and vegetables, says Halliwell. Don't start taking high-dose supplements or heavily fortified foods, until we know more. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
