RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
OK, class is in g, maybe you can answer these for me James. (1) Does LVDC equipment actually produce *true metallic* silver particles? A percentage of Ag+ ions are lost to particle formation consisting of a number of those ions clustering together to form that particle. (2) Can I assume our product actually contains three (3) types of silver, i.e. Ag+ ions, ion clusters which have formed particles, and actual stand alone genuine metallic particles? (3) How is an actual metallic silver particle formed, and how is it produced if there are no ions 'at all' in the solution? Maybe a question (4), how do their particles differ from ours in structure or formation when/if using the electrolysis process? I probly should clarify that I am referring to LVDC produced products such as we make in our kitchens. I believe purchased products are generally produced using HVDC or HVAC methods which I would assume would still contain a percentage of ions along with the particles, maybe in far less numbers perhaps, but present all the same? If there are no ions at all present, then how do they get metallic particles *only* without any ions? Thanks N. Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 22:09:08 -0700 From: kscma...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda To: silver-list@eskimo.com Capping just would reduce the amount of CS exposed to stomach acid before moving onward.. IS(Ionic Silver) does not bunch up to make CS(Colloidal Silver). CS is metallic silver particules, no ions at all! When taking CS for a while you would want to take a probiotic about 1 to 2 hours after the CS. There is no doubt that IS CS help! I have over 20 people who directly can atest to this. As with everything the dose must be approate to the application and the person.
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
Yes LVDC makes true CS, you must use a reducing agent for complete reduction Ag ions are reduced to the metallic silver, Ag ions will not clump together by themselves because they have a like charge+ Check in with cgcsforum for more complete info From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda OK, class is in g, maybe you can answer these for me James. (1) Does LVDC equipment actually produce *true metallic* silver particles? A percentage of Ag+ ions are lost to particle formation consisting of a number of those ions clustering together to form that particle. (2) Can I assume our product actually contains three (3) types of silver, i.e. Ag+ ions, ion clusters which have formed particles, and actual stand alone genuine metallic particles? (3) How is an actual metallic silver particle formed, and how is it produced if there are no ions 'at all' in the solution? Maybe a question (4), how do their particles differ from ours in structure or formation when/if using the electrolysis process? I probly should clarify that I am referring to LVDC produced products such as we make in our kitchens. I believe purchased products are generally produced using HVDC or HVAC methods which I would assume would still contain a percentage of ions along with the particles, maybe in far less numbers perhaps, but present all the same? If there are no ions at all present, then how do they get metallic particles *only* without any ions? Thanks N. Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 22:09:08 -0700 From: kscma...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda To: silver-list@eskimo.com Capping just would reduce the amount of CS exposed to stomach acid before moving onward.. IS(Ionic Silver) does not bunch up to make CS(Colloidal Silver). CS is metallic silver particules, no ions at all! When taking CS for a while you would want to take a probiotic about 1 to 2 hours after the CS. There is no doubt that IS CS help! I have over 20 people who directly can atest to this. As with everything the dose must be approate to the application and the person.
RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:22:00 -0700 From: kscma...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda To: silver-list@eskimo.com Yes LVDC makes true CS, you must use a reducing agent for complete reduction Ag ions are reduced to the metallic silver, Ag ions will not clump together by themselves because they have a like charge+ Check in with cgcsforum for more complete info ## Who's the Administrator, or who runs or started that site? PM me those details if you want. N. From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda OK, class is in g, maybe you can answer these for me James. (1) Does LVDC equipment actually produce *true metallic* silver particles? A percentage of Ag+ ions are lost to particle formation consisting of a number of those ions clustering together to form that particle. (2) Can I assume our product actually contains three (3) types of silver, i.e. Ag+ ions, ion clusters which have formed particles, and actual stand alone genuine metallic particles? (3) How is an actual metallic silver particle formed, and how is it produced if there are no ions 'at all' in the solution? Maybe a question (4), how do their particles differ from ours in structure or formation when/if using the electrolysis process? I probly should clarify that I am referring to LVDC produced products such as we make in our kitchens. I believe purchased products are generally produced using HVDC or HVAC methods which I would assume would still contain a percentage of ions along with the particles, maybe in far less numbers perhaps, but present all the same? If there are no ions at all present, then how do they get metallic particles *only* without any ions? Thanks N. Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 22:09:08 -0700 From: kscma...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda To: silver-list@eskimo.com Capping just would reduce the amount of CS exposed to stomach acid before moving onward.. IS(Ionic Silver) does not bunch up to make CS(Colloidal Silver). CS is metallic silver particules, no ions at all! When taking CS for a while you would want to take a probiotic about 1 to 2 hours after the CS. There is no doubt that IS CS help! I have over 20 people who directly can atest to this. As with everything the dose must be approate to the application and the person.
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
But people still swallow CS eliminate infection? Jane This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot.
RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 15:00 +1100, Neville Munn wrote: If it's capped, which I presume means it's encapsulated, then where abouts in the body does that 'capping' get stripped away releasing the silver if it isn't stripped in the stomach? Standard gelatin or the alternative veggie capsules dissolve in the stomach, as I understand it. However, most of us have probably encountered enteric coated capsules that are designed to survive the stomach environment and dissolve in the duodenum or small intestine. There are enzymes and other excretions (bile, pancreatic enzymes, etc.) that are introduced into the duodenum (the part of the GI tract just after the stomach) that neutralize stomach acid and continue digestion. Design your pill to be broken down by *those* excretions, but not by the acid and enzyomes of the stomach, and you'll get targeted release. Presumably that's what they've done with enteric coating. Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
Ah Hah. OK, just out of interest I'll continue with this line of thought for a
bit Mike, if you have no objections. If a given silver product is designed to
be released in the small intestine {and I am obviously referring to particulate
silver here} then my assumption would be *that* is where the start of the
'friendly flora' problems would originate, i.e. in the intestine, *that* would
make some sense.
Dependant on the amount of silver, i.e. particulate silver, being introduced or
released into the intestine would dictate how severe that flora would be
affected, hence the perceived necessity for the addition of a probiotic to be
introduced.
While it's an interesting concept, at this point in time I am unable to support
such a concept. On the face of it, it seems one would be trying to eradicate
one problem only to create or encourage another? As the silver passes through
affecting the 'friendly flora' the probiotic follows behind replacing it. That
poses the question of how long after the ingestion of a given silver product
would one need to ingest a probiotic? Can't be immediately after as there is
the possibility of the remnants of silver remaining affecting the probiotic,
and if it's too long after then the preceding silver efficacy may be
compromised, meaning the person is back to square one?
I just don't see the point or benefit when our product contains a given
quantity of particles anyway. I think it's 'techno-babble' personally. Could
be wrong, but I'd need more convincing before I'd ever entertain the idea of
purchasing any product such as this. Correct me if I'm wrong here but
particles are clusters of ions are they not? Does that mean 'their' particles
are of a different structure or nature, i.e. powdered silver for example?
N.
Subject: RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
From: mdev...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 07:37:24 -0400
On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 15:00 +1100, Neville Munn wrote:
If it's capped, which I presume means it's encapsulated, then where
abouts in the body does that 'capping' get stripped away releasing the
silver if it isn't stripped in the stomach?
Standard gelatin or the alternative veggie capsules dissolve in the
stomach, as I understand it. However, most of us have probably
encountered enteric coated capsules that are designed to survive the
stomach environment and dissolve in the duodenum or small intestine.
There are enzymes and other excretions (bile, pancreatic enzymes, etc.)
that are introduced into the duodenum (the part of the GI tract just
after the stomach) that neutralize stomach acid and continue digestion.
Design your pill to be broken down by *those* excretions, but not by the
acid and enzyomes of the stomach, and you'll get targeted release.
Presumably that's what they've done with enteric coating.
Be well,
Mike D.
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Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
What a bunch of horse hockey! Brown researchers have discovered how that happens. The process is similar to developing black-and-white photographs, and it's not just the silver. This has been discussed here for the last 13 years, and I published papers that say the same thing over a decade ago. Maybe rediscovered, if they did not research it first, but discovered, hardly. They are implying that nanosilver reacts with acids, where normal silver does not. This should be pretty easy to test. Marshall On 10/31/2012 10:05 PM, Jim Holmes wrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5365 - Release Date: 10/31/12 --f46d043be1de9bc75904cd65747c--
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
They sure do! sol Jane MacRoss wrote: But people still swallow CS eliminate infection? Jane This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
Exactly! From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com They sure do! sol Jane MacRoss wrote: But people still swallow CS eliminate infection? Jane This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
Ya, medicine seems to discover lots of things and never mention that people in alternative medicine knew it for years or decades...silver as an antibiotic...various supplements with chemotherapy...vitamin D deficiency...gluten allergies...you name it. The quacks rarely get the credit. They just become repeated quacks for the next thing they claim that also will turn out to be accepted by everyone in 20 years, while the average doctor may get praised for eventually using an answer that was handed to him without any effort, yet not get any flack for not having realized it a long time ago when he should have. Though you have to have sympathy for the average doctor. The average doctor is, afterall, only average. Though if you ask me, average people ought to stay away from medicine. David On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: ** What a bunch of horse hockey! Brown researchers have discovered how that happens. The process is similar to developing black-and-white photographs, and it's not just the silver. This has been discussed here for the last 13 years, and I published papers that say the same thing over a decade ago. Maybe rediscovered, if they did not research it first, but discovered, hardly. They are implying that nanosilver reacts with acids, where normal silver does not. This should be pretty easy to test. Marshall On 10/31/2012 10:05 PM, Jim Holmes wrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5365 - Release Date: 10/31/12 --f46d043be1de9bc75904cd65747c--
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
Capping just would reduce the amount of CS exposed to stomach acid before
moving onward.. IS(Ionic Silver) does not bunch up to make CS(Colloidal
Silver). CS is metallic silver particules, no ions at all! When taking CS for a
while you would want to take a probiotic about 1 to 2 hours after the CS. There
is no doubt that IS CS help! I have over 20 people who directly can atest to
this. As with everything the dose must be approate to the application and the
person.
From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
Ah Hah. OK, just out of interest I'll continue with this line of thought for a
bit Mike, if you have no objections. If a given silver product is designed to
be released in the small intestine {and I am obviously referring to particulate
silver here} then my assumption would be *that* is where the start of the
'friendly flora' problems would originate, i.e. in the intestine, *that* would
make some sense.
Dependant on the amount of silver, i.e. particulate silver, being introduced or
released into the intestine would dictate how severe that flora would be
affected, hence the perceived necessity for the addition of a probiotic to be
introduced.
While it's an interesting concept, at this point in time I am unable to support
such a concept. On the face of it, it seems one would be trying to eradicate
one problem only to create or encourage another? As the silver passes through
affecting the 'friendly flora' the probiotic follows behind replacing it. That
poses the question of how long after the ingestion of a given silver product
would one need to ingest a probiotic? Can't be immediately after as there is
the possibility of the remnants of silver remaining affecting the probiotic,
and if it's too long after then the preceding silver efficacy may be
compromised, meaning the person is back to square one?
I just don't see the point or benefit when our product contains a given
quantity of particles anyway. I think it's 'techno-babble' personally. Could
be wrong, but I'd need more convincing before I'd ever entertain the idea of
purchasing any product such as this. Correct me if I'm wrong here but
particles are clusters of ions are they not? Does that mean 'their' particles
are of a different structure or nature, i.e. powdered silver for example?
N.
Subject: RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
From: mdev...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 07:37:24 -0400
On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 15:00 +1100, Neville Munn wrote:
If it's capped, which I presume means it's encapsulated, then where
abouts in the body does that 'capping' get stripped away releasing the
silver if it isn't stripped in the stomach?
Standard gelatin or the alternative veggie capsules dissolve in the
stomach, as I understand it. However, most of us have probably
encountered enteric coated capsules that are designed to survive the
stomach environment and dissolve in the duodenum or small intestine.
There are enzymes and other excretions (bile, pancreatic enzymes, etc.)
that are introduced into the duodenum (the part of the GI tract just
after the stomach) that neutralize stomach acid and continue digestion.
Design your pill to be broken down by *those* excretions, but not by the
acid and enzyomes of the stomach, and you'll get targeted release.
Presumably that's what they've done with enteric coating.
Be well,
Mike D.
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Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
And get this: Those ions can easily be taken into the bloodstream through channels that absorb other types of salt. That's a crucial step, Hurt said. Silver metal particles themselves aren't terribly likely to make it from the GI tract to the blood, but when they're transformed into a salt, they're ushered right through God it just goes to show how useless it is for people to argue for years about theories. Observation trumps theories by 1,000 miles. Competing hypotheses are endless. And also of interest: This study implies that silver nanoparticles will be less toxic than an equivalent amount of silver salt, at least in this exposure scenario. David
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
It just means that you want to use capped CS to avoid the acid in the stomach. And it tells don't over do the silver--The old motto a little bit is medicine more is poison. From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:06 PM Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
That is a good point. But if the capping is not digested in the stomach acid, then does it get digested at all? David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:19 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: It just means that you want to use capped CS to avoid the acid in the stomach. And it tells don't over do the silver--The old motto a little bit is medicine more is poison. -- *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:06 PM *Subject:* Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.comwrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
thats why there are several capping agents, clear corn syrup cinnamon are just two that are digested easily. From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:23 PM Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda That is a good point. But if the capping is not digested in the stomach acid, then does it get digested at all? David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:19 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: It just means that you want to use capped CS to avoid the acid in the stomach. And it tells don't over do the silver--The old motto a little bit is medicine more is poison. From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:06 PM Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
My point is that if they are digested in the stomach acid, then the particles may be turned into salts in the stomach acid according to the linked paper's opinion. The capping agents would not protect it in this case. If the capping agents are not digested, then they continue to cover the particles and result in low exposed surface area to interact with bugs. The same issue that occurs with silver proteins. But of course these are all one of a billion hypotheses. One could just as easily say some particles get through the mucous membranes, etc. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:30 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: thats why there are several capping agents, clear corn syrup cinnamon are just two that are digested easily. -- *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:23 PM *Subject:* Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda That is a good point. But if the capping is not digested in the stomach acid, then does it get digested at all? David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:19 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.comwrote: It just means that you want to use capped CS to avoid the acid in the stomach. And it tells don't over do the silver--The old motto a little bit is medicine more is poison. -- *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:06 PM *Subject:* Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.comwrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
But does this mean that colloidial silver that is taken orally are not so effective? If it fails to enter the bloodstream from the stomac then it cannot reach the microbes. 2012/10/31 David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com: My point is that if they are digested in the stomach acid, then the particles may be turned into salts in the stomach acid according to the linked paper's opinion. The capping agents would not protect it in this case. If the capping agents are not digested, then they continue to cover the particles and result in low exposed surface area to interact with bugs. The same issue that occurs with silver proteins. But of course these are all one of a billion hypotheses. One could just as easily say some particles get through the mucous membranes, etc. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:30 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: thats why there are several capping agents, clear corn syrup cinnamon are just two that are digested easily. From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:23 PM Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda That is a good point. But if the capping is not digested in the stomach acid, then does it get digested at all? David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:19 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: It just means that you want to use capped CS to avoid the acid in the stomach. And it tells don't over do the silver--The old motto a little bit is medicine more is poison. From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:06 PM Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
I'm saying what this means is there are tons of hypothesis that all have some merit, and in the end, nothing can prove one is better than the other except clinical trials. Any strong claims that one is definitely better than the other is simply premature. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:56 PM, André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com wrote: But does this mean that colloidial silver that is taken orally are not so effective? If it fails to enter the bloodstream from the stomac then it cannot reach the microbes. 2012/10/31 David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com: My point is that if they are digested in the stomach acid, then the particles may be turned into salts in the stomach acid according to the linked paper's opinion. The capping agents would not protect it in this case. If the capping agents are not digested, then they continue to cover the particles and result in low exposed surface area to interact with bugs. The same issue that occurs with silver proteins. But of course these are all one of a billion hypotheses. One could just as easily say some particles get through the mucous membranes, etc. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:30 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: thats why there are several capping agents, clear corn syrup cinnamon are just two that are digested easily. From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:23 PM Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda That is a good point. But if the capping is not digested in the stomach acid, then does it get digested at all? David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:19 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: It just means that you want to use capped CS to avoid the acid in the stomach. And it tells don't over do the silver--The old motto a little bit is medicine more is poison. From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:06 PM Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
This is not aimed at anyone in particular, just something I need to get my head
around g.
So, in general let me get this straight. Popular belief by some is that
stomach acid renders silver pretty much useless or changes it in some
undesirable way {a view I don't support anyway}, then where does the digestion
begin? Where will that capped silver be when it finally is exposed to the body
system? If it's capped, which I presume means it's encapsulated, then where
abouts in the body does that 'capping' get stripped away releasing the silver
if it isn't stripped in the stomach?
N.
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:35:08 -0700
Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
My point is that if they are digested in the stomach acid, then the particles
may be turned into salts in the stomach acid according to the linked paper's
opinion. The capping agents would not protect it in this case. If the capping
agents are not digested, then they continue to cover the particles and result
in low exposed surface area to interact with bugs. The same issue that occurs
with silver proteins.
But of course these are all one of a billion hypotheses. One could just as
easily say some particles get through the mucous membranes, etc.
David
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:30 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote:
thats why there are several capping agents, clear corn syrup cinnamon are
just two that are digested easily.
From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
That is a good point. But if the capping is not digested in the stomach acid,
then does it get digested at all?
David
On Wed, Oct 31,
2012 at 8:19 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote:
It just means that you want to use capped CS to avoid the acid in the stomach.
And it tells don't over do the silver--The old motto a little bit is medicine
more is poison.
From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid.
This makes the whole topic of ions versus
particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot.
David
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote:
They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm
