Re: CSOT - zapper burns
I'm talking about zappers...what are you talking about? What resonance does DC current have? ode At 10:26 AM 12/28/2012 -0500, you wrote: Salt has nothing to do with it. The fast rising edge of the waveform has a lot of harmonics, some of which resonant with the DNA of the pathogen, and breaks the DNA apart. Then the bias causes the pieced to get drawn apart before they can recombine, destroying the pathogen. I have seen movies of bacteria getting blown apart by these resonances. If what you were saying is true, then it would only affect the area near where the electrodes are placed, but fact is zapping kills everything within the field of the wave. Marshall On 12/28/2012 7:14 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: Salt is what produces the corrosive chemicals [hypochlorous acid and sodium hydroxide]...and that's the whole reason to use a zapper [change the PH of the blood in a localized area] Try eliminating the salt in your blood. The problem is that blood flow in the skin is not sufficient to reduce the concentration of corrosive chemicals being made out of the salt in the blood ..and/or being used as an electrolyteat the given rate Gotta slow it down, spread it out or give it time to dilute with the blood flow rate available before it becomes concentrated enough to burn the skin. Ode At 11:40 AM 12/27/2012 -0500, you wrote: I believe this is a correct analysis. It might be worth while figuring out something that can be added to the water that will increase conductivity and not produce such corrosive chemicals. Any salt, acid or alkaline will work. I was thinking of either vinegar (acetic acid) or citric acid. I believe that hydrogen will be released at one electrode and CO2 at the other. The CO2 is probably not a problem, it will make carbonic acid, but the hydrogen will quickly react with most metals making a metal hydride. So the choice of electrode material will be important. I am looking at the pads on a TENS unit. They appear to have a carbon conductive layer, and you use some type of gel with it. Carbon would be a good choice if made like they are in the TENS unit. Marshall On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: The problem is that the electrochemicals being produced build up in the skin because the skin doesn't have much blood flow rate to dilute them as fast as they are being made. Those are chemical burns. 5 ways to prevent..can all be used at once or any in part. Reduce voltage [potentiometer] Reduce electrolyte conductivity..ie dilute it with more water [does the same thing as the pot, but in a different spot] Increase electrode pad area to spread concentration of electro chemicals over a larger volume of blood flow. Use zapper for a few minutes and take a few off. Switch polarity to neutralize that particular electro-chemical with it's opposite. Ode If one applies a DC current to a bucket of salt water, it will split into Hypochlorous Acid and Sodium Hydroxide.[ an alkaline base...aka LYE ] That substance was being promoted as a super duper house hold cleaner...with a very short shelf life. The Hypochlorous Acid is a grand disinfectant. The Sodium Hydroxide, a great de-greaser [like Formula 409 ] Then, there is MMS [ Miracle Mineral Supplement...which looks like everything BUT that, having nothing to to with supplementing minerals ] made from Sodium Chlorite being used to get rid of parasites and germs in the blood stream..easy enough to over dose on and make you feel really ill. [Careful there] THEN..there is the Godzilla Zapper, a very simple and cheap device that can be made using junk around the house...used for blood electrification. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ BUT Electricity doesn't flow through a conductive liquid like it would a metal wire, it transports electrons via chemical reactions .Electro-chemistry SO The Zapper cannot be working by the method claimed...but there is much that indicates that it does work. How could that be?!!! OK So what is the human body but a bag of salt water ? [rather than a bucket of salt water] If one electrode is Alkalizing and the other is Acidifying and you get salt when the two chemicals meet up and recombine, what could that potential be used for? 1] You have a MMS analog with it's own antidote being produced in vivo using a simple Zapper. [ A couple of AA batteries, some wire and a couple of sponges soaked with salt water] too much? [burning and itching??] Turn it down or shut it off. [let the build up dissipate] 2] You have an Alkaline situation at the OTHER electrode being made in vivo with ITs antidote lurking just around the bend.. Both made from existing salt, going back to salt. That's chemo therapy with immediate dosage control and location control as well...and no toxins left over after recombination. At 11:58 AM
Re: CSOT - zapper burns
Salt is what produces the corrosive chemicals [hypochlorous acid and sodium hydroxide]...and that's the whole reason to use a zapper [change the PH of the blood in a localized area] Try eliminating the salt in your blood. The problem is that blood flow in the skin is not sufficient to reduce the concentration of corrosive chemicals being made out of the salt in the blood ..and/or being used as an electrolyteat the given rate Gotta slow it down, spread it out or give it time to dilute with the blood flow rate available before it becomes concentrated enough to burn the skin. Ode At 11:40 AM 12/27/2012 -0500, you wrote: I believe this is a correct analysis. It might be worth while figuring out something that can be added to the water that will increase conductivity and not produce such corrosive chemicals. Any salt, acid or alkaline will work. I was thinking of either vinegar (acetic acid) or citric acid. I believe that hydrogen will be released at one electrode and CO2 at the other. The CO2 is probably not a problem, it will make carbonic acid, but the hydrogen will quickly react with most metals making a metal hydride. So the choice of electrode material will be important. I am looking at the pads on a TENS unit. They appear to have a carbon conductive layer, and you use some type of gel with it. Carbon would be a good choice if made like they are in the TENS unit. Marshall On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: The problem is that the electrochemicals being produced build up in the skin because the skin doesn't have much blood flow rate to dilute them as fast as they are being made. Those are chemical burns. 5 ways to prevent..can all be used at once or any in part. Reduce voltage [potentiometer] Reduce electrolyte conductivity..ie dilute it with more water [does the same thing as the pot, but in a different spot] Increase electrode pad area to spread concentration of electro chemicals over a larger volume of blood flow. Use zapper for a few minutes and take a few off. Switch polarity to neutralize that particular electro-chemical with it's opposite. Ode If one applies a DC current to a bucket of salt water, it will split into Hypochlorous Acid and Sodium Hydroxide.[ an alkaline base...aka LYE ] That substance was being promoted as a super duper house hold cleaner...with a very short shelf life. The Hypochlorous Acid is a grand disinfectant. The Sodium Hydroxide, a great de-greaser [like Formula 409 ] Then, there is MMS [ Miracle Mineral Supplement...which looks like everything BUT that, having nothing to to with supplementing minerals ] made from Sodium Chlorite being used to get rid of parasites and germs in the blood stream..easy enough to over dose on and make you feel really ill. [Careful there] THEN..there is the Godzilla Zapper, a very simple and cheap device that can be made using junk around the house...used for blood electrification. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ BUT Electricity doesn't flow through a conductive liquid like it would a metal wire, it transports electrons via chemical reactions .Electro-chemistry SO The Zapper cannot be working by the method claimed...but there is much that indicates that it does work. How could that be?!!! OK So what is the human body but a bag of salt water ? [rather than a bucket of salt water] If one electrode is Alkalizing and the other is Acidifying and you get salt when the two chemicals meet up and recombine, what could that potential be used for? 1] You have a MMS analog with it's own antidote being produced in vivo using a simple Zapper. [ A couple of AA batteries, some wire and a couple of sponges soaked with salt water] too much? [burning and itching??] Turn it down or shut it off. [let the build up dissipate] 2] You have an Alkaline situation at the OTHER electrode being made in vivo with ITs antidote lurking just around the bend.. Both made from existing salt, going back to salt. That's chemo therapy with immediate dosage control and location control as well...and no toxins left over after recombination. At 11:58 AM 12/26/2012 -0800, you wrote: Hi, Although I wrapped the copper handholds in a layer of wet paper towel I ended up with a burn on the side on which I felt the estim most. I'm used to working with units that have an amplitude adjustment and this zapper does not. I was running 15 Hz. Would someone tell me what I can do to avoid this happening again. It happened once before so I know from experience that they take awhile to heal. Thanks. PT No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comwww.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2637/5490 - Release Date: 12/27/12
Re: CSOT - zapper burns
The point contacts are too small for the level of current spread over that area..so, reduce the current and/or increase the area [reduce current density] Using silver as the electrolyte should help as some of the ionic components will be Ag[+] and iontophorosis of that silver will be part of the deal, but the blood still has that salt in it. Increasing the distance between the electrodes will also act to reduce current flow by increasing the circuits resistance, which can be done anywhere in the circuit by several means including making the electrolyte less conductive [use purer water ] Ode At 08:19 PM 12/27/2012 +0200, you wrote: Hi Ode and Marshall, The medics use a conductive electrode gel with silver/silverchloride . This is used for longterm connection called resting electrodes. I used them a lot for the Bob Beck type units because they helped to prevent the skin burning which I thought due to a better skin connection. The burns always seemed to be at point contacts. Grist ? Tony On 27 Dec 2012 at 11:40, Marshall wrote about : Subject : Re: CSOT - zapper burns I believe this is a correct analysis. It might be worth while figuring out something that can be added to the water that will increase conductivity and not produce such corrosive chemicals. Any salt, acid or alkaline will work. I was thinking of either vinegar (acetic acid) or citric acid. I believe that hydrogen will be released at one electrode and CO2 at the other. The CO2 is probably not a problem, it will make carbonic acid, but the hydrogen will quickly react with most metals making a metal hydride. So the choice of electrode material will be important. I am looking at the pads on a TENS unit. They appear to have a carbon conductive layer, and you use some type of gel with it. Carbon would be a good choice if made like they are in the TENS unit. Marshall On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: The problem is that the electrochemicals being produced build up in the skin because the skin doesn't have much blood flow rate to dilute them as fast as they are being made. Those are chemical burns. 5 ways to prevent..can all be used at once or any in part. Reduce voltage [potentiometer] Reduce electrolyte conductivity..ie dilute it with more water [does the same thing as the pot, but in a different spot] Increase electrode pad area to spread concentration of electro chemicals over a larger volume of blood flow. Use zapper for a few minutes and take a few off. Switch polarity to neutralize that particular electro-chemical with it's opposite. Ode If one applies a DC current to a bucket of salt water, it will split into Hypochlorous Acid and Sodium Hydroxide.[ an alkaline base...aka LYE ] That substance was being promoted as a super duper house hold cleaner...with a very short shelf life. The Hypochlorous Acid is a grand disinfectant. The Sodium Hydroxide, a great de-greaser [like Formula 409 ] Then, there is MMS [ Miracle Mineral Supplement...which looks like everything BUT that, having nothing to to with supplementing minerals ] made from Sodium Chlorite being used to get rid of parasites and germs in the blood stream..easy enough to over dose on and make you feel really ill. [Careful there] THEN..there is the Godzilla Zapper, a very simple and cheap device that can be made using junk around the house...used for blood electrification. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ BUT Electricity doesn't flow through a conductive liquid like it would a metal wire, it transports electrons via chemical reactions .Electro-chemistry SO The Zapper cannot be working by the method claimed...but there is much that indicates that it does work. How could that be?!!! OK So what is the human body but a bag of salt water ? [rather than a bucket of salt water] If one electrode is Alkalizing and the other is Acidifying and you get salt when the two chemicals meet up and recombine, what could that potential be used for? 1] You have a MMS analog with it's own antidote being produced in vivo using a simple Zapper. [ A couple of AA batteries, some wire and a couple of sponges soaked with salt water] too much? [burning and itching??] Turn it down or shut it off. [let the build up dissipate] 2] You have an Alkaline situation at the OTHER electrode being made in vivo with ITs antidote lurking just around the bend.. Both made from existing salt, going back to salt. That's chemo therapy with immediate dosage control and location control as well...and no toxins left over after recombination. At 11:58 AM 12/26/2012 -0800, you wrote: Hi, Although I wrapped the copper handholds in a layer of wet paper towel I ended up with a burn on the side on which I felt the estim most. I'm used to working with units that have an amplitude adjustment
Re: CSOT - zapper burns
Salt has nothing to do with it. The fast rising edge of the waveform has a lot of harmonics, some of which resonant with the DNA of the pathogen, and breaks the DNA apart. Then the bias causes the pieced to get drawn apart before they can recombine, destroying the pathogen. I have seen movies of bacteria getting blown apart by these resonances. If what you were saying is true, then it would only affect the area near where the electrodes are placed, but fact is zapping kills everything within the field of the wave. Marshall On 12/28/2012 7:14 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: Salt is what produces the corrosive chemicals [hypochlorous acid and sodium hydroxide]...and that's the whole reason to use a zapper [change the PH of the blood in a localized area] Try eliminating the salt in your blood. The problem is that blood flow in the skin is not sufficient to reduce the concentration of corrosive chemicals being made out of the salt in the blood ..and/or being used as an electrolyteat the given rate Gotta slow it down, spread it out or give it time to dilute with the blood flow rate available before it becomes concentrated enough to burn the skin. Ode At 11:40 AM 12/27/2012 -0500, you wrote: I believe this is a correct analysis. It might be worth while figuring out something that can be added to the water that will increase conductivity and not produce such corrosive chemicals. Any salt, acid or alkaline will work. I was thinking of either vinegar (acetic acid) or citric acid. I believe that hydrogen will be released at one electrode and CO2 at the other. The CO2 is probably not a problem, it will make carbonic acid, but the hydrogen will quickly react with most metals making a metal hydride. So the choice of electrode material will be important. I am looking at the pads on a TENS unit. They appear to have a carbon conductive layer, and you use some type of gel with it. Carbon would be a good choice if made like they are in the TENS unit. Marshall On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: The problem is that the electrochemicals being produced build up in the skin because the skin doesn't have much blood flow rate to dilute them as fast as they are being made. Those are chemical burns. 5 ways to prevent..can all be used at once or any in part. Reduce voltage [potentiometer] Reduce electrolyte conductivity..ie dilute it with more water [does the same thing as the pot, but in a different spot] Increase electrode pad area to spread concentration of electro chemicals over a larger volume of blood flow. Use zapper for a few minutes and take a few off. Switch polarity to neutralize that particular electro-chemical with it's opposite. Ode If one applies a DC current to a bucket of salt water, it will split into Hypochlorous Acid and Sodium Hydroxide.[ an alkaline base...aka LYE ] That substance was being promoted as a super duper house hold cleaner...with a very short shelf life. The Hypochlorous Acid is a grand disinfectant. The Sodium Hydroxide, a great de-greaser [like Formula 409 ] Then, there is MMS [ Miracle Mineral Supplement...which looks like everything BUT that, having nothing to to with supplementing minerals ] made from Sodium Chlorite being used to get rid of parasites and germs in the blood stream..easy enough to over dose on and make you feel really ill. [Careful there] THEN..there is the Godzilla Zapper, a very simple and cheap device that can be made using junk around the house...used for blood electrification. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ BUT Electricity doesn't flow through a conductive liquid like it would a metal wire, it transports electrons via chemical reactions .Electro-chemistry SO The Zapper cannot be working by the method claimed...but there is much that indicates that it does work. How could that be?!!! OK So what is the human body but a bag of salt water ? [rather than a bucket of salt water] If one electrode is Alkalizing and the other is Acidifying and you get salt when the two chemicals meet up and recombine, what could that potential be used for? 1] You have a MMS analog with it's own antidote being produced in vivo using a simple Zapper. [ A couple of AA batteries, some wire and a couple of sponges soaked with salt water] too much? [burning and itching??] Turn it down or shut it off. [let the build up dissipate] 2] You have an Alkaline situation at the OTHER electrode being made in vivo with ITs antidote lurking just around the bend.. Both made from existing salt, going back to salt. That's chemo therapy with immediate dosage control and location control as well...and no toxins left over after recombination. At 11:58 AM 12/26/2012 -0800, you wrote: Hi, Although I wrapped the copper handholds in a layer of wet paper towel I ended up with a burn on the side on which I felt the estim most. I'm used to working with units that
Re: CSOT - zapper burns
local current is enough to cause necrosis. This is different than oscillatory destruction. Harmonics of audio square waves are unlikely to excite resonance with DNA strands, which would be somewhere close to infrared wavelengths in my humble estimation. Low resistance points are somehow caused due to electrode and skin character, and this causes the current to channel through that one small point. Beckers book Perils and Promise of electromedicine gives a good explanation M On 12/28/2012 8:26 AM, Marshall wrote: Salt has nothing to do with it. The fast rising edge of the waveform has a lot of harmonics, some of which resonant with the DNA of the pathogen, and breaks the DNA apart. Then the bias causes the pieced to get drawn apart before they can recombine, destroying the pathogen. I have seen movies of bacteria getting blown apart by these resonances. If what you were saying is true, then it would only affect the area near where the electrodes are placed, but fact is zapping kills everything within the field of the wave. Marshall On 12/28/2012 7:14 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: Salt is what produces the corrosive chemicals [hypochlorous acid and sodium hydroxide]...and that's the whole reason to use a zapper [change the PH of the blood in a localized area] Try eliminating the salt in your blood. The problem is that blood flow in the skin is not sufficient to reduce the concentration of corrosive chemicals being made out of the salt in the blood ..and/or being used as an electrolyteat the given rate Gotta slow it down, spread it out or give it time to dilute with the blood flow rate available before it becomes concentrated enough to burn the skin. Ode
RE: CSOT - zapper burns
Not odd, dry towels are less conductive than wet ones...he's made himself a resistor to drop the voltage and current available...but might not be getting anything if the towel is completly dry good insulator Ode At 02:14 PM 12/26/2012 -0600, you wrote: Actually, Bob (from another list) said he was told about wetting the towels and then letting them dry, then using them. he tried it and said it works a lot better (hes sensitive so he can tell) than using wet towels. Odd, huh? Samala, Renee Although I wrapped the copper handholds in a layer of wet paper towel I ended up with a burn on the side on which I felt the estim most.
Re: CSOT - zapper burns
The problem is that the electrochemicals being produced build up in the skin because the skin doesn't have much blood flow rate to dilute them as fast as they are being made. Those are chemical burns. 5 ways to prevent..can all be used at once or any in part. Reduce voltage [potentiometer] Reduce electrolyte conductivity..ie dilute it with more water [does the same thing as the pot, but in a different spot] Increase electrode pad area to spread concentration of electro chemicals over a larger volume of blood flow. Use zapper for a few minutes and take a few off. Switch polarity to neutralize that particular electro-chemical with it's opposite. Ode If one applies a DC current to a bucket of salt water, it will split into Hypochlorous Acid and Sodium Hydroxide.[ an alkaline base...aka LYE ] That substance was being promoted as a super duper house hold cleaner...with a very short shelf life. The Hypochlorous Acid is a grand disinfectant. The Sodium Hydroxide, a great de-greaser [like Formula 409 ] Then, there is MMS [ Miracle Mineral Supplement...which looks like everything BUT that, having nothing to to with supplementing minerals ] made from Sodium Chlorite being used to get rid of parasites and germs in the blood stream..easy enough to over dose on and make you feel really ill. [Careful there] THEN..there is the Godzilla Zapper, a very simple and cheap device that can be made using junk around the house...used for blood electrification. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ BUT Electricity doesn't flow through a conductive liquid like it would a metal wire, it transports electrons via chemical reactions .Electro-chemistry SO The Zapper cannot be working by the method claimed...but there is much that indicates that it does work. How could that be?!!! OK So what is the human body but a bag of salt water ? [rather than a bucket of salt water] If one electrode is Alkalizing and the other is Acidifying and you get salt when the two chemicals meet up and recombine, what could that potential be used for? 1] You have a MMS analog with it's own antidote being produced in vivo using a simple Zapper. [ A couple of AA batteries, some wire and a couple of sponges soaked with salt water] too much? [burning and itching??] Turn it down or shut it off. [let the build up dissipate] 2] You have an Alkaline situation at the OTHER electrode being made in vivo with ITs antidote lurking just around the bend.. Both made from existing salt, going back to salt. That's chemo therapy with immediate dosage control and location control as well...and no toxins left over after recombination. At 11:58 AM 12/26/2012 -0800, you wrote: Hi, Although I wrapped the copper handholds in a layer of wet paper towel I ended up with a burn on the side on which I felt the estim most. I'm used to working with units that have an amplitude adjustment and this zapper does not. I was running 15 Hz. Would someone tell me what I can do to avoid this happening again. It happened once before so I know from experience that they take awhile to heal. Thanks. PT
Re: CSOT - zapper burns
Thanks Ode. Since it was a handheld and a potentiometer is not an option I'm trying to think of ways to increase the pad area. I will also move them around and swap the cords. They are only on for 7 minutes and I add water each time I go into the 7 minute part of the cycle. PT From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, December 27, 2012 8:54:23 AM Subject: Re: CSOT - zapper burns The problem is that the electrochemicals being produced build up in the skin because the skin doesn't have much blood flow rate to dilute them as fast as they are being made. Those are chemical burns. 5 ways to prevent..can all be used at once or any in part. Reduce voltage [potentiometer] Reduce electrolyte conductivity..ie dilute it with more water [does the same thing as the pot, but in a different spot] Increase electrode pad area to spread concentration of electro chemicals over a larger volume of blood flow. Use zapper for a few minutes and take a few off. Switch polarity to neutralize that particular electro-chemical with it's opposite. Ode If one applies a DC current to a bucket of salt water, it will split into Hypochlorous Acid and Sodium Hydroxide.[ an alkaline base...aka LYE ] That substance was being promoted as a super duper house hold cleaner...with a very short shelf life. The Hypochlorous Acid is a grand disinfectant. The Sodium Hydroxide, a great de-greaser [like Formula 409 ] Then, there is MMS [ Miracle Mineral Supplement...which looks like everything BUT that, having nothing to to with supplementing minerals ] made from Sodium Chlorite being used to get rid of parasites and germs in the blood stream..easy enough to over dose on and make you feel really ill. [Careful there] THEN..there is the Godzilla Zapper, a very simple and cheap device that can be made using junk around the house...used for blood electrification. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ BUT Electricity doesn't flow through a conductive liquid like it would a metal wire, it transports electrons via chemical reactions .Electro-chemistry SO The Zapper cannot be working by the method claimed...but there is much that indicates that it does work. How could that be?!!! OK So what is the human body but a bag of salt water ? [rather than a bucket of salt water] If one electrode is Alkalizing and the other is Acidifying and you get salt when the two chemicals meet up and recombine, what could that potential be used for? 1] You have a MMS analog with it's own antidote being produced in vivo using a simple Zapper. [ A couple of AA batteries, some wire and a couple of sponges soaked with salt water] too much? [burning and itching??] Turn it down or shut it off. [let the build up dissipate] 2] You have an Alkaline situation at the OTHER electrode being made in vivo with ITs antidote lurking just around the bend.. Both made from existing salt, going back to salt. That's chemo therapy with immediate dosage control and location control as well...and no toxins left over after recombination. At 11:58 AM 12/26/2012 -0800, you wrote: Hi, Although I wrapped the copper handholds in a layer of wet paper towel I ended up with a burn on the side on which I felt the estim most. I'm used to working with units that have an amplitude adjustment and this zapper does not. I was running 15 Hz. Would someone tell me what I can do to avoid this happening again. It happened once before so I know from experience that they take awhile to heal. Thanks. PT
Re: CSOT - zapper burns
I believe this is a correct analysis. It might be worth while figuring out something that can be added to the water that will increase conductivity and not produce such corrosive chemicals. Any salt, acid or alkaline will work. I was thinking of either vinegar (acetic acid) or citric acid. I believe that hydrogen will be released at one electrode and CO2 at the other. The CO2 is probably not a problem, it will make carbonic acid, but the hydrogen will quickly react with most metals making a metal hydride. So the choice of electrode material will be important. I am looking at the pads on a TENS unit. They appear to have a carbon conductive layer, and you use some type of gel with it. Carbon would be a good choice if made like they are in the TENS unit. Marshall On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: The problem is that the electrochemicals being produced build up in the skin because the skin doesn't have much blood flow rate to dilute them as fast as they are being made. Those are chemical burns. 5 ways to prevent..can all be used at once or any in part. Reduce voltage [potentiometer] Reduce electrolyte conductivity..ie dilute it with more water [does the same thing as the pot, but in a different spot] Increase electrode pad area to spread concentration of electro chemicals over a larger volume of blood flow. Use zapper for a few minutes and take a few off. Switch polarity to neutralize that particular electro-chemical with it's opposite. Ode If one applies a DC current to a bucket of salt water, it will split into Hypochlorous Acid and Sodium Hydroxide.[ an alkaline base...aka LYE ] That substance was being promoted as a super duper house hold cleaner...with a very short shelf life. The Hypochlorous Acid is a grand disinfectant. The Sodium Hydroxide, a great de-greaser [like Formula 409 ] Then, there is MMS [ Miracle Mineral Supplement...which looks like everything BUT that, having nothing to to with supplementing minerals ] made from Sodium Chlorite being used to get rid of parasites and germs in the blood stream..easy enough to over dose on and make you feel really ill. [Careful there] THEN..there is the Godzilla Zapper, a very simple and cheap device that can be made using junk around the house...used for blood electrification. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ BUT Electricity doesn't flow through a conductive liquid like it would a metal wire, it transports electrons via chemical reactions .Electro-chemistry SO The Zapper cannot be working by the method claimed...but there is much that indicates that it does work. How could that be?!!! OK So what is the human body but a bag of salt water ? [rather than a bucket of salt water] If one electrode is Alkalizing and the other is Acidifying and you get salt when the two chemicals meet up and recombine, what could that potential be used for? 1] You have a MMS analog with it's own antidote being produced in vivo using a simple Zapper. [ A couple of AA batteries, some wire and a couple of sponges soaked with salt water] too much? [burning and itching??] Turn it down or shut it off. [let the build up dissipate] 2] You have an Alkaline situation at the OTHER electrode being made in vivo with ITs antidote lurking just around the bend.. Both made from existing salt, going back to salt. That's chemo therapy with immediate dosage control and location control as well...and no toxins left over after recombination. At 11:58 AM 12/26/2012 -0800, you wrote: Hi, Although I wrapped the copper handholds in a layer of wet paper towel I ended up with a burn on the side on which I felt the estim most. I'm used to working with units that have an amplitude adjustment and this zapper does not. I was running 15 Hz. Would someone tell me what I can do to avoid this happening again. It happened once before so I know from experience that they take awhile to heal. Thanks. PT No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2637/5490 - Release Date: 12/27/12
Re: CSOT - zapper burns
Hi Ode and Marshall, The medics use a conductive electrode gel with silver/silverchloride . This is used for longterm connection called resting electrodes. I used them a lot for the Bob Beck type units because they helped to prevent the skin burning which I thought due to a better skin connection. The burns always seemed to be at point contacts. Grist ? Tony On 27 Dec 2012 at 11:40, Marshall wrote about : Subject : Re: CSOT - zapper burns I believe this is a correct analysis. It might be worth while figuring out something that can be added to the water that will increase conductivity and not produce such corrosive chemicals. Any salt, acid or alkaline will work. I was thinking of either vinegar (acetic acid) or citric acid. I believe that hydrogen will be released at one electrode and CO2 at the other. The CO2 is probably not a problem, it will make carbonic acid, but the hydrogen will quickly react with most metals making a metal hydride. So the choice of electrode material will be important. I am looking at the pads on a TENS unit. They appear to have a carbon conductive layer, and you use some type of gel with it. Carbon would be a good choice if made like they are in the TENS unit. Marshall On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: The problem is that the electrochemicals being produced build up in the skin because the skin doesn't have much blood flow rate to dilute them as fast as they are being made. Those are chemical burns. 5 ways to prevent..can all be used at once or any in part. Reduce voltage [potentiometer] Reduce electrolyte conductivity..ie dilute it with more water [does the same thing as the pot, but in a different spot] Increase electrode pad area to spread concentration of electro chemicals over a larger volume of blood flow. Use zapper for a few minutes and take a few off. Switch polarity to neutralize that particular electro-chemical with it's opposite. Ode If one applies a DC current to a bucket of salt water, it will split into Hypochlorous Acid and Sodium Hydroxide.[ an alkaline base...aka LYE ] That substance was being promoted as a super duper house hold cleaner...with a very short shelf life. The Hypochlorous Acid is a grand disinfectant. The Sodium Hydroxide, a great de-greaser [like Formula 409 ] Then, there is MMS [ Miracle Mineral Supplement...which looks like everything BUT that, having nothing to to with supplementing minerals ] made from Sodium Chlorite being used to get rid of parasites and germs in the blood stream..easy enough to over dose on and make you feel really ill. [Careful there] THEN..there is the Godzilla Zapper, a very simple and cheap device that can be made using junk around the house...used for blood electrification. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ BUT Electricity doesn't flow through a conductive liquid like it would a metal wire, it transports electrons via chemical reactions .Electro-chemistry SO The Zapper cannot be working by the method claimed...but there is much that indicates that it does work. How could that be?!!! OK So what is the human body but a bag of salt water ? [rather than a bucket of salt water] If one electrode is Alkalizing and the other is Acidifying and you get salt when the two chemicals meet up and recombine, what could that potential be used for? 1] You have a MMS analog with it's own antidote being produced in vivo using a simple Zapper. [ A couple of AA batteries, some wire and a couple of sponges soaked with salt water] too much? [burning and itching??] Turn it down or shut it off. [let the build up dissipate] 2] You have an Alkaline situation at the OTHER electrode being made in vivo with ITs antidote lurking just around the bend.. Both made from existing salt, going back to salt. That's chemo therapy with immediate dosage control and location control as well...and no toxins left over after recombination. At 11:58 AM 12/26/2012 -0800, you wrote: Hi, Although I wrapped the copper handholds in a layer of wet paper towel I ended up with a burn on the side on which I felt the estim most. I'm used to working with units that have an amplitude adjustment and this zapper does not. I was running 15 Hz. Would someone tell me what I can do to avoid this happening again. It happened once before so I know from experience that they take awhile to heal. Thanks. PT No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2637/5490 - Release Date: 12/27/12 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT - zapper burns
It looks like KY Jelly might make a good electrode gel. See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC490140/pdf/brheartj00336-0111.pdf Resistance measurements compared to commercial electrode gels show it to be acceptable for electrocardiograms. KY - 2150 ohms Lubafax - 9750 ohms Cambridge - 1550 ohms Cambridge contains salt, which forms chlorine and lye when used with a zapper. KY and Lubafax don't. Now low resistivity is more important with a zapper than for use with an EKG or EEG, since they have high megohm input impedances, but a zapper has a low out impedance. Marshall On 12/27/2012 11:40 AM, Marshall wrote: I believe this is a correct analysis. It might be worth while figuring out something that can be added to the water that will increase conductivity and not produce such corrosive chemicals. Any salt, acid or alkaline will work. I was thinking of either vinegar (acetic acid) or citric acid. I believe that hydrogen will be released at one electrode and CO2 at the other. The CO2 is probably not a problem, it will make carbonic acid, but the hydrogen will quickly react with most metals making a metal hydride. So the choice of electrode material will be important. I am looking at the pads on a TENS unit. They appear to have a carbon conductive layer, and you use some type of gel with it. Carbon would be a good choice if made like they are in the TENS unit. Marshall On 12/27/2012 8:37 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: The problem is that the electrochemicals being produced build up in the skin because the skin doesn't have much blood flow rate to dilute them as fast as they are being made. Those are chemical burns. 5 ways to prevent..can all be used at once or any in part. Reduce voltage [potentiometer] Reduce electrolyte conductivity..ie dilute it with more water [does the same thing as the pot, but in a different spot] Increase electrode pad area to spread concentration of electro chemicals over a larger volume of blood flow. Use zapper for a few minutes and take a few off. Switch polarity to neutralize that particular electro-chemical with it's opposite. Ode If one applies a DC current to a bucket of salt water, it will split into Hypochlorous Acid and Sodium Hydroxide.[ an alkaline base...aka LYE ] That substance was being promoted as a super duper house hold cleaner...with a very short shelf life. The Hypochlorous Acid is a grand disinfectant. The Sodium Hydroxide, a great de-greaser [like Formula 409 ] Then, there is MMS [ Miracle Mineral Supplement...which looks like everything BUT that, having nothing to to with supplementing minerals ] made from Sodium Chlorite being used to get rid of parasites and germs in the blood stream..easy enough to over dose on and make you feel really ill. [Careful there] THEN..there is the Godzilla Zapper, a very simple and cheap device that can be made using junk around the house...used for blood electrification. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ BUT Electricity doesn't flow through a conductive liquid like it would a metal wire, it transports electrons via chemical reactions .Electro-chemistry SO The Zapper cannot be working by the method claimed...but there is much that indicates that it does work. How could that be?!!! OK So what is the human body but a bag of salt water ? [rather than a bucket of salt water] If one electrode is Alkalizing and the other is Acidifying and you get salt when the two chemicals meet up and recombine, what could that potential be used for? 1] You have a MMS analog with it's own antidote being produced in vivo using a simple Zapper. [ A couple of AA batteries, some wire and a couple of sponges soaked with salt water] too much? [burning and itching??] Turn it down or shut it off. [let the build up dissipate] 2] You have an Alkaline situation at the OTHER electrode being made in vivo with ITs antidote lurking just around the bend.. Both made from existing salt, going back to salt. That's chemo therapy with immediate dosage control and location control as well...and no toxins left over after recombination. At 11:58 AM 12/26/2012 -0800, you wrote: Hi, Although I wrapped the copper handholds in a layer of wet paper towel I ended up with a burn on the side on which I felt the estim most. I'm used to working with units that have an amplitude adjustment and this zapper does not. I was running 15 Hz. Would someone tell me what I can do to avoid this happening again. It happened once before so I know from experience that they take awhile to heal. Thanks. PT No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2637/5490 - Release Date: 12/27/12 No virus found in this message. Checked
CSOT - zapper burns
Hi, Although I wrapped the copper handholds in a layer of wet paper towel I ended up with a burn on the side on which I felt the estim most. I'm used to working with units that have an amplitude adjustment and this zapper does not. I was running 15 Hz. Would someone tell me what I can do to avoid this happening again. It happened once before so I know from experience that they take awhile to heal. Thanks. PT
RE: CSOT - zapper burns
Actually, Bob (from another list) said he was told about wetting the towels and then letting them dry, then using them. he tried it and said it works a lot better (he's sensitive so he can tell) than using wet towels. Odd, huh? Samala, Renee Although I wrapped the copper handholds in a layer of wet paper towel I ended up with a burn on the side on which I felt the estim most.
Re: CSOT - zapper burns
I'll give it a try as I certainly don't want any more burns. Do you (or anyone else) know which pole (positive or negative) gives the burns? Thanks. PT From: Renee gaiac...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 26, 2012 3:15:16 PM Subject: RE: CSOT - zapper burns Actually, Bob (from another list) said he was told about wetting the towels and then letting them dry, then using them. he tried it and said it works a lot better (he’s sensitive so he can tell) than using wet towels. Odd, huh? Samala, Renee Although I wrapped the copper handholds in a layer of wet paper towel I ended up with a burn on the side on which I felt the estim most.
