Re: CSRebuttals please
Just because something is toxic if you get too much built up, doesn't mean that you can live without it. Copper and Zinc is toxic too..just about everything is. Excito-toxins ?? Who!! Bd!!!Except without any, you'd be dead. The nerves need excito-toxins to function. Ode At 02:18 PM 12/18/2007 +, you wrote: Why are we having all this about selenium being highly toxic now? I have just ordered some because I thought it was beneficial! Dee ---Original Message--- From: mailto:gmetrop...@aol.comgmetrop...@aol.com Date: 18/12/2007 14:03:52 To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRebuttals please It has been suggested that to protect from agyria when taking CS longterm, Selenium should also be taken. I have also been informed that supplemental selenium long term can be toxic. Maybe daily brazil nuts is a better option to protect from agyria and depletion. ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 2:13 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 2:13 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRebuttals please-could silver cause selenium problems
Hi. Yes, you are correct that we are talking about a horse. Thanks for your considered reply. MA -- Original message from ekowal...@aol.com: -- Unfortunately I can't say anything to disprove it and I won't say it's impossible either though I doubt it. Nutrients are often antagonistic to each other. When some ratios are thrown far out of kilter, deficiencies can be antagonized. Calcium and magnesium are antagonistic towards each other, copper and zinc have a similar relationship, etc. This is a real can of worms with silver because even many diehard proponents hesitate to consider it for ''essential'' nutrient status, let alone something that needs to have a certain ratio to other nutrients. Although I don't know of any definite antagonistic factors for silver/or even one instance where I've seen that it needs a ratio to any other nutrient, it's quite possible. All things considered though, I think it's more likely this person is just making a bad assumption. Silver may have a relationship with selenium we aren't clear on. It could also be a case like that with selenium and mercury. There is no ratio problem there [that we know of], only that selenium is known to bind to mercury forming an insoluble compound that will be excreted instead of absorbed. Considering how essential selenium is and how much colloidal silver so many silver takers have regularly used for many years, it seems that somebody would have noticed a major problem on here before. I think this person likely drew a poor conclusion but then again, we're talking about a horse? Did I read that right? Maybe the person is right but there is some major difference in the horse when it comes to silver tolerance or God only knows what kind of stray variable. Medications, enzymatic processes, who knows? From the desk of: J. D. Shafer-Author of the 90+ Newsletter and Blog- Bones STILL aren't made out of Boniva- Read about what stands in your way when you're trying to absorb the nutrients your bones ARE made of so you can avoid them: 90+ Other topics on 90+ include: Statin drug usage linked to cancer, chromium's actual role in diabetes and USDA documentation of soil depletion. See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter.
Re: CSRebuttals please
- Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:58 AM Subject: Re: CSRebuttals please Just because something is toxic if you get too much built up, doesn't mean that you can live without it. Copper and Zinc is toxic too..just about everything is. Excito-toxins ?? Who!! Bd!!!Except without any, you'd be dead. The nerves need excito-toxins to function. Ode Hello Ode. In your opinion, how much selenium should one take on a daily basis? In my daily vitamin I get 200 mcg selenium and 400 .U. vitamin E. That should cover it for me, I think. Merry Christmas to you and to everybody. Faith G. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Marshall. Thanks for your reply. It's interesting that in all the years that I've been a member of this list, I don't ever remember this fact being discussed. In fact, silver has been discussed here as being safer than the gallons of water that can be consumed in order to access it. But I appreciate having the information now, and I will forward this on to the referenced party. MA -- Original message from Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com: -- There really isn't any rebuttal, it is a known fact that CS will tend to deplete selenium. But it is not a problem. Selenium is easy to supplement, and if taking a large amount of CS over a long period of time, advisable to do so. If you supplement, then there is no problem.
Re: CSRebuttals please
Hi Tony. Thanks for your response. Apparently she used CS to treat her horse for Lyme disease, and was made aware somehow that her horse's selenium deficiency was a consequence of the CS. On our EPM list, many of us have used CS to treat our horses for EPM and none of us, to my knowledge, have had any problem with selenium deficiency. But that apparently is the result of our geographical areas containing sufficient selenium for replacement through grazing and forage consumption. I know that there are parts of this country that do not provide sufficient selenium -- I live in one. For this reason, I supplement my horses' diets with a selenium product. She must live in an area like mine, but is unaware of it and does not supplement selenium. But I was unaware of the relationship between CS and selenium, and I think that's valuable knowledge. MA -- Original message from Tony Moody a...@new.co.za: -- Hi MA, One of the 'wisdoms' about taking CS is that it is advised to take selenium and vitamin E too. But that too much of either can cause deficiencies and or over absorption of other minerals. So in a roundabout way they poster is probably correct. But what i would do is supplement with selenium to get the benefits of CS. I wonder how the poster knew about selenium depletion?
Re: CSRebuttals please
Hi Ode. Thanks for your response -- it's appreciated. MA -- Original message from Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net: -- Almost EVERY mineral supplement depletes that other mineral supplement, Selenium. It's what happens when Selenium does it's job of regulating levels of metallic micro-nutrients. In that respect, silver is no different than copper and copper is quite abundant in nature and unavoidable. Selenium is present in some foods in sufficient concentrations and usually need not be supplemented if the diet is varied. Selenium is also highly toxic and should be regulated..and probably is...by doing what it does to regulate other metals. By the same nonsensical alarmist token, one could say that, since Selenium is extremely poisonous, Silver SHOULD be taken to deplete it. Ode At 09:00 PM 12/17/2007 +, you wrote: The following post came through one of my equine lists. Can anyone here comment on this please? MA I caution anyone using the Colloidal silver for an extended period of time. It depletes the body of selenium. I have personaly used it on my lyme disease gelding, and this was how I found it out. I now do NOT give Especial any CS at all. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Well, I actually did do research on this Chuck, and everything I came up with was that it was beneficial. I also realize that dosing is everything and that it is stupid to overdose on things like metals. Dee ---Original Message--- Dee, It's all in the dose. Up to 400 micrograms daily is listed as safe. Always be careful of mettalic supplement dosages. Copper is another, and certainly iron. Do research before plunging ahead. Chuck ...And I thought phrenology with a ball-peen hammer was a dying art! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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This is what I have read too Dianne, and which is why I have ordered it. I understood it helps with things like 'age spots' etc., which my husband has, and also to help prevent cancer which is in both our families. It must be lovely to have horses the way you do, I've always loved them since I was a child. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Dianne France Date: 19/12/2007 01:24:35 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRebuttals please Dee It is very beneficial. There are other factors you need to factor in. In horses if you lack selenium they won't grow out as tall as they should. Way back when when we didn't know Florida was lacking selenium in the soil and didn't supplement our horses grew out about four inches shorter than they should have been. Most commercial feeds are available with selenium added now. I have a selenium supplement I was taking but when tested with the biomeredian machine it tested bad for me. I don't know if it was the brand of supplement or not. At the time I was eating a lot of Brazil Nuts though. They are one of my favorites. I stopped taking the supplement but reading up on what is helps with I might have to revisit taking it. Diannefaint_grain.jpg
Re: CSRebuttals please
In a message dated 12/19/07 10:39:29 AM, d...@deetroy.org writes: metals. Dee What about long term overdosing on silver for chronic issues? ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: CSRebuttals please-could silver cause selenium problems
Maybe its another case of the old adage being applied; i.e. Only use when necessary and everything in moderation. Dee ---Original Message--- From: ekowal...@aol.com Date: 12/18/07 00:57:58 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRebuttals please-could silver cause selenium problems Unfortunately I can't say anything to disprove it and I won't say it's impossible either though I doubt it. Nutrients are often antagonistic to each other. When some ratios are thrown far out of kilter, deficiencies can be antagonized. Calcium and magnesium are antagonistic towards each other, copper and zinc have a similar relationship, etc. This is a real can of worms with silver because even many diehard proponents hesitate to consider it for ''essential'' nutrient status, let alone something that needs to have a certain ratio to other nutrients. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRebuttals please
Almost EVERY mineral supplement depletes that other mineral supplement, Selenium. It's what happens when Selenium does it's job of regulating levels of metallic micro-nutrients. In that respect, silver is no different than copper and copper is quite abundant in nature and unavoidable. Selenium is present in some foods in sufficient concentrations and usually need not be supplemented if the diet is varied. Selenium is also highly toxic and should be regulated..and probably is...by doing what it does to regulate other metals. By the same nonsensical alarmist token, one could say that, since Selenium is extremely poisonous, Silver SHOULD be taken to deplete it. Ode At 09:00 PM 12/17/2007 +, you wrote: The following post came through one of my equine lists. Can anyone here comment on this please? MA I caution anyone using the Colloidal silver for an extended period of time. It depletes the body of selenium. I have personaly used it on my lyme disease gelding, and this was how I found it out. I now do NOT give Especial any CS at all. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes, because Selenium plays an active role in depleting Mercury ...as well as virtually every other metal so it won't over accumulate in the body and poison it...like Selenium might, being very toxic itself if there are no other metals for it to deplete. ode At 06:16 PM 12/17/2007 -0600, you wrote: I found out that mercury depletes selenium. Just thought I'd throw that in. Leslie - Original Message - From: mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.netmarmar...@bellsouth.net To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: CSRebuttals please -- Original message from Dianne France mailto:dianne_fra...@hotmail.comdianne_fra...@hotmail.com: -- MarMar Do you know the state where this person resides? Is the area he stables his horse selenium deprived? The CS might not be a factor. Hi Dianne. No -- I don't know where this person lives. The same thought crossed my mind -- that the selenium deficiency was a result of forage or feed that was selenium-deficient. I highly doubt that CS is a factor, but rather is being misconstrued as the culprit. I was hoping that the knowledgeable folks here could debunk the theory with facts -- so that I could go back with an intelligent rebuttal, and suggest other causes. Thanks for your thoughts -- they're good ones. MA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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It has been suggested that to protect from agyria when taking CS longterm, Selenium should also be taken. I have also been informed that supplemental selenium long term can be toxic. Maybe daily brazil nuts is a better option to protect from agyria and depletion. ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: CSRebuttals please
Why are we having all this about selenium being highly toxic now? I have just ordered some because I thought it was beneficial! Dee ---Original Message--- From: gmetrop...@aol.com Date: 18/12/2007 14:03:52 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRebuttals please It has been suggested that to protect from agyria when taking CS longterm, Selenium should also be taken. I have also been informed that supplemental selenium long term can be toxic. Maybe daily brazil nuts is a better option to protect from agyria and depletion. ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) faint_grain.jpg
Re: CSRebuttals please
marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: The following post came through one of my equine lists. Can anyone here comment on this please? MA I caution anyone using the Colloidal silver for an extended period of time. It depletes the body of selenium. I have personaly used it on my lyme disease gelding, and this was how I found it out. I now do NOT give Especial any CS at all. Colloidal Silver does tend to bind with, and cause to be excreted increased amounts of selenium. That is why it is recommended if taking CS over extended amounts of time, to be sure and supplement with selenium. Not a big deal. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRebuttals please
marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: -- Original message from Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.com: -- MarMar Do you know the state where this person resides? Is the area he stables his horse selenium deprived? The CS might not be a factor. Hi Dianne. No -- I don't know where this person lives. The same thought crossed my mind -- that the selenium deficiency was a result of forage or feed that was selenium-deficient. I highly doubt that CS is a factor, but rather is being misconstrued as the culprit. I was hoping that the knowledgeable folks here could debunk the theory with facts -- so that I could go back with an intelligent rebuttal, and suggest other causes. Thanks for your thoughts -- they're good ones. MA There really isn't any rebuttal, it is a known fact that CS will tend to deplete selenium. But it is not a problem. Selenium is easy to supplement, and if taking a large amount of CS over a long period of time, advisable to do so. If you supplement, then there is no problem. This is addressed in the paper I wrote some time ago which has been referenced several times here recently: http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html This can occur when the level of EIS exceeds some amount, which seems to vary depending on the person, and whether they are deficient in vitamin E and selenium or not. Vitamin E and selenium have a prophylactic effect on argyria, and on the blueing of the fingernail roots. Apparently taking silver over time can also cause a loss of selenium and even a deficiency. If you take EIS over long periods of time it is suggested that you supplement your selenium intake ( Natural sources of selenuim are listed at Dietary Supplement Fact Sheet: Selenium http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp, and Brazil nuts are very high in selenium). Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRebuttals please
On 17 Dec 2007 at 21:00, marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote about : Subject : CSRebuttals please The following post came through one of my equine lists. Can anyone here comment on this please? MA I caution anyone using the Colloidal silver for an extended period of time. It depletes the body of selenium. I have personaly used it on my lyme disease gelding, and this was how I found it out. I now do NOT give Especial any CS at all. Hi MA, One of the 'wisdoms' about taking CS is that it is advised to take selenium and vitamin E too. But that too much of either can cause deficiencies and or over absorption of other minerals. So in a roundabout way they poster is probably correct. But what i would do is supplement with selenium to get the benefits of CS. I wonder how the poster knew about selenium depletion? Perhaps Brooks can tell us more about CS and beneficial supplements.? Regards, Tony M -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRebuttals please
It's like most other things. Too little is bad, and too much is worse. The right amount? Hard to say, but most selenium tablets are only 200 mcg (that's MICROgrams, not milligrams, 200 millionths of a gram). This is a very small amount, and the recommendation is one tablet per day. Quote from Jonathan Wright: Selenium. Garlic and onions are the only common foods high in selenium, so if you're not allergic to them, include plenty in your diet -- along with the ginger. And I also recommend supplementing the onions and garlic with 200-500 micrograms of selenium daily. But don't overdo it; it is possible to overdose at quantities of 1,500 to 2,000 micrograms daily. As somebody else mentioned, Brazil nuts are also high in selenium. Del - Original Message - From: Dee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:18 AM Subject: Re: CSRebuttals please Why are we having all this about selenium being highly toxic now? I have just ordered some because I thought it was beneficial! Dee ---Original Message--- From: gmetrop...@aol.com Date: 18/12/2007 14:03:52 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRebuttals please It has been suggested that to protect from agyria when taking CS longterm, Selenium should also be taken. I have also been informed that supplemental selenium long term can be toxic. Maybe daily brazil nuts is a better option to protect from agyria and depletion. ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) faint_grain.jpg
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On 12/18/2007 9:18:03 AM, Dee (d...@deetroy.org) wrote: Why are we having all this about selenium being highly toxic now? I have just ordered some because I thought it was beneficial! Dee Dee, It's all in the dose. Up to 400 micrograms daily is listed as safe. Always be careful of mettalic supplement dosages. Copper is another, and certainly iron. Do research before plunging ahead. Chuck ...And I thought phrenology with a ball-peen hammer was a dying art! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dee It is very beneficial. There are other factors you need to factor in. In horses if you lack selenium they won't grow out as tall as they should. Way back when when we didn't know Florida was lacking selenium in the soil and didn't supplement our horses grew out about four inches shorter than they should have been. Most commercial feeds are available with selenium added now. I have a selenium supplement I was taking but when tested with the biomeredian machine it tested bad for me. I don't know if it was the brand of supplement or not. At the time I was eating a lot of Brazil Nuts though. They are one of my favorites. I stopped taking the supplement but reading up on what is helps with I might have to revisit taking it. Dianne - Original Message - From: Dee mailto:d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:18 AM Subject: Re: CSRebuttals please Why are we having all this about selenium being highly toxic now? I have just ordered some because I thought it was beneficial! Dee ---Original Message--- From: gmetrop...@aol.commailto:gmetrop...@aol.com Date: 18/12/2007 14:03:52 To: silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRebuttals please It has been suggested that to protect from agyria when taking CS longterm, Selenium should also be taken. I have also been informed that supplemental selenium long term can be toxic. Maybe daily brazil nuts is a better option to protect from agyria and depletion. ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) faint_grain.jpg
CSRebuttals please
The following post came through one of my equine lists. Can anyone here comment on this please? MA I caution anyone using the Colloidal silver for an extended period of time. It depletes the body of selenium. I have personaly used it on my lyme disease gelding, and this was how I found it out. I now do NOT give Especial any CS at all.
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Did the poster say exactly how this information was derived or to how the CS was specifically related to selenium depletion ie. Tests, etc. marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: The following post came through one of my equine lists. Can anyone here comment on this please? MA I caution anyone using the Colloidal silver for an extended period of time. It depletes the body of selenium. I have personaly used it on my lyme disease gelding, and this was how I found it out. I now do NOT give Especial any CS at all. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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MarMar Do you know the state where this person resides? Is the area he stables his horse selenium deprived? The CS might not be a factor. Maybe others can give more information. Dianne - Original Message - From: marmar...@bellsouth.netmailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: CSRebuttals please The following post came through one of my equine lists. Can anyone here comment on this please? MA I caution anyone using the Colloidal silver for an extended period of time. It depletes the body of selenium. I have personaly used it on my lyme disease gelding, and this was how I found it out. I now do NOT give Especial any CS at all.
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-- Original message from Carol Ann saffiresk...@yahoo.com: -- Did the poster say exactly how this information was derived or to how the CS was specifically related to selenium depletion ie. Tests, etc. Hi Carol. No -- there was no substantiation. Just the remarks that I forwarded. MA
CSRebuttals please
-- Original message from Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.com: -- MarMar Do you know the state where this person resides? Is the area he stables his horse selenium deprived? The CS might not be a factor. Hi Dianne. No -- I don't know where this person lives. The same thought crossed my mind -- that the selenium deficiency was a result of forage or feed that was selenium-deficient. I highly doubt that CS is a factor, but rather is being misconstrued as the culprit. I was hoping that the knowledgeable folks here could debunk the theory with facts -- so that I could go back with an intelligent rebuttal, and suggest other causes. Thanks for your thoughts -- they're good ones. MA
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I found out that mercury depletes selenium. Just thought I'd throw that in. Leslie - Original Message - From: marmar...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: CSRebuttals please -- Original message from Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.com: -- MarMar Do you know the state where this person resides? Is the area he stables his horse selenium deprived? The CS might not be a factor. Hi Dianne. No -- I don't know where this person lives. The same thought crossed my mind -- that the selenium deficiency was a result of forage or feed that was selenium-deficient. I highly doubt that CS is a factor, but rather is being misconstrued as the culprit. I was hoping that the knowledgeable folks here could debunk the theory with facts -- so that I could go back with an intelligent rebuttal, and suggest other causes. Thanks for your thoughts -- they're good ones. MA
Re: CSRebuttals please-could silver cause selenium problems
Unfortunately I can't say anything to disprove it and I won't say it's impossible either though I doubt it. Nutrients are often antagonistic to each other. When some ratios are thrown far out of kilter, deficiencies can be antagonized. Calcium and magnesium are antagonistic towards each other, copper and zinc have a similar relationship, etc. This is a real can of worms with silver because even many diehard proponents hesitate to consider it for ''essential'' nutrient status, let alone something that needs to have a certain ratio to other nutrients. Although I don't know of any definite antagonistic factors for silver/or even one instance where I've seen that it needs a ratio to any other nutrient, it's quite possible. All things considered though, I think it's more likely this person is just making a bad assumption. Silver may have a relationship with selenium we aren't clear on. It could also be a case like that with selenium and mercury. There is no ratio problem there [that we know of], only that selenium is known to bind to mercury forming an insoluble compound that will be excreted instead of absorbed. Considering how essential selenium is and how much colloidal silver so many silver takers have regularly used for many years, it seems that somebody would have noticed a major problem on here before. I think this person likely drew a poor conclusion but then again, we're talking about a horse? Did I read that right? Maybe the person is right but there is some major difference in the horse when it comes to silver tolerance or God only knows what kind of stray variable. Medications, enzymatic processes, who knows? From the desk of: J. D. Shafer-Author of the 90+ Newsletter and Blog- Bones STILL aren't made out of Boniva- Read about what stands in your way when you're trying to absorb the nutrients your bones ARE made of so you can avoid them: _90+_ (http://journals.aol.com/ninetyplus4life/Capacity) Other topics on 90+ include: Statin drug usage linked to cancer, chromium's actual role in diabetes and USDA documentation of soil depletion. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
RE: CSRebuttals please-could silver cause selenium problems
...selenium has lots to do with moving metals out of the body in general doesn't it? i might well have forgotten, but i think selenium is one of the ingredients in the argyria cure formula that the guy who used CS (in huge amounts for a long time) to cure drug resistant syphilis and got argyria used to reverse the argyria??? anyway, it well might be that the processing of silver through the system costs selenium resources requiring their replacement. i take lots of EIS/CS regularly and take stuff to keep it moving through per the argyria cure formula that i've now forgotten exactly what's included but here's what i take plenty extra supplementally for this purpose: chlorella/spirulina blend selenium C E MSM water -Original Message- From: ekowal...@aol.com [mailto:ekowal...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 7:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRebuttals please-could silver cause selenium problems Unfortunately I can't say anything to disprove it and I won't say it's impossible either though I doubt it. Nutrients are often antagonistic to each other. When some ratios are thrown far out of kilter, deficiencies can be antagonized. Calcium and magnesium are antagonistic towards each other, copper and zinc have a similar relationship, etc. This is a real can of worms with silver because even many diehard proponents hesitate to consider it for ''essential'' nutrient status, let alone something that needs to have a certain ratio to other nutrients. Although I don't know of any definite antagonistic factors for silver/or even one instance where I've seen that it needs a ratio to any other nutrient, it's quite possible. All things considered though, I think it's more likely this person is just making a bad assumption. Silver may have a relationship with selenium we aren't clear on. It could also be a case like that with selenium and mercury. There is no ratio problem there [that we know of], only that selenium is known to bind to mercury forming an insoluble compound that will be excreted instead of absorbed. Considering how essential selenium is and how much colloidal silver so many silver takers have regularly used for many years, it seems that somebody would have noticed a major problem on here before. I think this person likely drew a poor conclusion but then again, we're talking about a horse? Did I read that right? Maybe the person is right but there is some major difference in the horse when it comes to silver tolerance or God only knows what kind of stray variable. Medications, enzymatic processes, who knows? From the desk of: J. D. Shafer-Author of the 90+ Newsletter and Blog- Bones STILL aren't made out of Boniva- Read about what stands in your way when you're trying to absorb the nutrients your bones ARE made of so you can avoid them: 90+ Other topics on 90+ include: Statin drug usage linked to cancer, chromium's actual role in diabetes and USDA documentation of soil depletion. See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRebuttals please
I'm no expert, but my guess is that this could be true, because selenium is one of the factors that helps remove silver from the body, and people who use colloidal silver are recommended to supplement with selenium. In helping to remove the silver from the body, the selenium most likely gets used up itself to some degree, more than if you were not using CS. I take 200 micrograms (mcg) of selenium a day, and have since I started using CS. Del - Original Message - From: marmar...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: CSRebuttals please The following post came through one of my equine lists. Can anyone here comment on this please? MA I caution anyone using the Colloidal silver for an extended period of time. It depletes the body of selenium. I have personaly used it on my lyme disease gelding, and this was how I found it out. I now do NOT give Especial any CS at all.
