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Since everything you eat collects in hair and nails where circulatuion doesn't occur, could it be that the silver is in the nails rather than in the nail beds, and is diffusing outwards as the nail grows? Ode Well, the blood theory does not stand up. Coloration due to blood goes away when pressure is exerted on the nail, forcing the blood out of the tissues, leaving them white. This coloration is not affected by pressure at all, except that there is a very slight shift in the tint due to the pink from the blood going away. Here is what I am talking about: http://silver-lightning.com/fingernails.JPG Note that we have at least 3 reports, not 2, since my wife and I both have it. Also I got mine when drinking very large amounts of EIS to kill Lyme from a tick bite, the timing is I think essential to ascribing the cause. What is interesting is that the the gray initially showed up in the moons only, but over the years has slowly diffused out beyond the moons. Another interesting feature is on the index finger, where a slight injury of the root has for years caused the nail to have a slight white line up the nail, now that line is gray part of the way up. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Neville wrote: - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. Snipped quote: [-By this I take it there is no grey anywhere else...No? None. BTW, Grey around nail moons waxes and wanes depending on how much EIS I use daily, and maybe with my selenium and vit E intake (whatever, they do get slightly better or worse from time to time) in fact the first (R) thumbnail to ever show any grey is now fairly clear in the center.] OK, I'm getting a picture here that it's pretty much pointless continueing with this nail moon thing as it seems there are a number of people ingesting medication or something else. This being the case there is no possibility of me making any correlation with silver while there is a combination going on. I mistakenly thought that silver was the only thing being ingested, not realising that other stuff was involved, sorry about that waisting of time people, still, I got something from it. Surely you realized that everyone alive is eating and drinking beverages. There are no medicines referred to in the above, and I never take any medicines myself. Selenium and vit E are vitamins and minerals, not medicines, and are in food, although one may supplement with additional amounts if deficient. Also those two have are believed to assist in removal of silver from the body and even in some cases reduce argyria, which is probably why he is taking them. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hard to say. The body concentrates things it wants to get rid of into the roots of hairs and nails, to put into them as they grow. The diffusion makes it appear that it is indeed in the nails themselves, as opposed to the bed. However my nails have grown out completely several times since the gray appeared in the moons, and the gray did disperse beyond the moons, but has never gone beyond 20% of the way from the bed. I see how concentrating silver in the beds could cause aggregation, and it getting stuck in the bed at the root of the nail. But the apparent diffusion beyond the moon, yet not moving with the nail itself as it grows is puzzling. It is almost like some tissue at the root of the nail moves with the nail as it grows out for a short distance, then somehow turns under and conveys back to the root again. I find this part puzzling. Does anyone know how the nail grows out without dragging the tissue attached to it with it? Where does the slip occur, between the nail and the tissue, or further down in the tissue? If it is further down in the tissue, then how is the tissue recycled? Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Since everything you eat collects in hair and nails where circulatuion doesn't occur, could it be that the silver is in the nails rather than in the nail beds, and is diffusing outwards as the nail grows? Ode Well, the blood theory does not stand up. Coloration due to blood goes away when pressure is exerted on the nail, forcing the blood out of the tissues, leaving them white. This coloration is not affected by pressure at all, except that there is a very slight shift in the tint due to the pink from the blood going away. Here is what I am talking about: http://silver-lightning.com/fingernails.JPG Note that we have at least 3 reports, not 2, since my wife and I both have it. Also I got mine when drinking very large amounts of EIS to kill Lyme from a tick bite, the timing is I think essential to ascribing the cause. What is interesting is that the the gray initially showed up in the moons only, but over the years has slowly diffused out beyond the moons. Another interesting feature is on the index finger, where a slight injury of the root has for years caused the nail to have a slight white line up the nail, now that line is gray part of the way up. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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It's interesting for me. While looking for frequencies to break up the silver under the fingernails (about 12 hertz at some specific phase) I did a silver scan of my body and where do you think a majority or the silver was? I had a strong silver reading in my liver. Any commments? =z= The novelist, journalist and psychologist Michael Zangari http://zangarijournalism.com --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 1:53 PM Neville wrote: - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. Snipped quote: [-By this I take it there is no grey anywhere else...No? None. BTW, Grey around nail moons waxes and wanes depending on how much EIS I use daily, and maybe with my selenium and vit E intake (whatever, they do get slightly better or worse from time to time) in fact the first (R) thumbnail to ever show any grey is now fairly clear in the center.] OK, I'm getting a picture here that it's pretty much pointless continueing with this nail moon thing as it seems there are a number of people ingesting medication or something else. This being the case there is no possibility of me making any correlation with silver while there is a combination going on. I mistakenly thought that silver was the only thing being ingested, not realising that other stuff was involved, sorry about that waisting of time people, still, I got something from it. Surely you realized that everyone alive is eating and drinking beverages. There are no medicines referred to in the above, and I never take any medicines myself. Selenium and vit E are vitamins and minerals, not medicines, and are in food, although one may supplement with additional amounts if deficient. Also those two have are believed to assist in removal of silver from the body and even in some cases reduce argyria, which is probably why he is taking them. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:23 AM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. [Surely you realized that everyone alive is eating and drinking beverages. There are no medicines referred to in the above, and I never take any medicines myself. Selenium and vit E are vitamins and minerals, not medicines, and are in food, although one may supplement with additional amounts if deficient. Also those two have are believed to assist in removal of silver from the body and even in some cases reduce argyria, which is probably why he is taking them.] -With the information people have volunteered here, of which I am grateful, and combining it with information I have researched elsewhere I can continue my quest in the formation of my own theories and conclusions. I realise it requires a suitably qualified researcher to put forward appropriate and applicable questions to glean the answers to the questions I have and as I don't fit in that catagory I will put the nail thing to bed. (No pun intended). I can use this information to better my knowledge and will continue on my quest. In the global scheme of things if I were to use the numbers who have developed issues with EICS here and combine them all together in one bag all I end up with are a handful with nail moon issues, that tells me something more, considering the millions of users out there I believe those stats look exceptionally good and using information provided by yourself and others here when I read between the lines it reassures me that my personal theories and conclusions are looking better and are on target. Regardless of how misguided/ignorant/arrogant/idiotic and/or naive my questioning may appear to some I am still unable to accept 'ifs', 'buts' or 'maybes' from the material I've researched thus far and will continue my quest for answers to my satisfaction. Regarding my 'colouration' thing, it's now deadI thank you all for your help. N. P.S. If you are there Tony, could you let me know if I have the spacing right with this email? The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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- Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:36 AM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. [I'm just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey anywhere else at all.] -By this I take it there is no grey anywhere else...No? N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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At 01:06 PM 12/2/2008 -0700, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Smurfism is due to *retention* of silver in the body from over indulgence plus an abnormal metals elimination system. It's not the form of silver, but the quantity of silver.. retained With the solubility limits of ionic silver, it's virtually impossible to imbibe enough silver over a lifetime to retain that much before the water kills you. The problem is that people who use salt as a starter and an unregulated generator But, neither Marshall nor I used that kind of silver. Low ppm LVDC silver, no starters or additives of any kind. We both DID use a lot though. I'm just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey anywhere else at all. sol ## Assuming you have some proof that it's actually argyria... You got a start on the virtually part, ey? Getting enough selenium? ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1825 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 8:44 PM
Re: CSSearching for colour Brooks Bradley
My fingernail moons have always had a very slight violet/gray cast. After googling extensively and watching this list for a few months, it seems to me that argyria must be about as rare as hen's teeth... There would have to be at least a hundred known cases for it to be considered even a rare side effect, if we were talking about some FDA approved med. :) BTW, yesterday I started attacking my MRSA using the protocol reported by Brooks Bradley, consisting of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine. I put it in a nasal spray bottle, using a syringe as a measure. I don't think I have breathed this freely since childhood, if even then. My cats won't tell me if I snored less than usual, but I'll bet I did. :) I also woke up two hours earlier than usual and feeling quite rested. My right ankle, which for several years now has been swollen and itchy, is just a bit smaller and less red this morning also. Up until now, the MRSA has been kept in check by topical and internal use of CS alone, but my symptoms of swelling, itching, cellulitis, and boils have quickly gotten out of control whenever I slacked off using it. I am hopeful that this new method will actually rid me of the infection altogether. Cheers, indi On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:05:42AM +1030, Neville wrote: - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:48 PM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. [Smurfism is due to *retention* of silver in the body from over indulgence plus an abnormal metals elimination system. It's not the form of silver, but the quantity of silver.. retained] -Ignoring for the moment a particular individuals ability/inability to eliminate metals, perhaps you could elaborate a little more regarding the *form* of silver. From all literature I have read through I am satisfied that silver in the form of ions pass through the body readily, and rapidly, hence I don't consider ions pose any issue. I am satisfied that all literature suggesting small doses several times a day is far preferable to larger doses per intake to be accurate for this reason. Correct me if the above statement is considered wrong. [With the solubility limits of ionic silver, it's virtually impossible to imbibe enough silver over a lifetime to retain that much before the water kills you.] -I'm satisfied with this also as tests on rabbits or rats, (doesn't matter what animal anyway), given large amounts of silver only resulted in one of them karking it due to the water, not the silver, so I'm well satisfied with this statement. [The problem is that people who use salt as a starter and an unregulated generator along with the entirely BOGUS **1 PPM per minute** rule have zero idea how strong they make their EIS and most of it isn't ionic...thus, not subject to solubility limits.] -Yes, I've already determined this long ago which is why I won't entertain any discussion of the published rubbish relating to those three people I mentioned. I discounted the 1ppm per minute thing long ago as well due to numerous factors which are incorporated in EICS. [Even then, a normal system protects and smurfism is quite rare as a normal elimination rate is around 94% in 48 hours. [98% over 30 days for inhaled dust] At that rate, it would take several hundred years to retain enough.] -I'm not unduly interested in stats as I'm not a very good statistician Ode, however I have read similar to this. The only question I would ask here is in reference to my first reply above with the inference that particles would work on this timeframe but ions would be eliminated far quicker. Again correct me if this statement is considered wrong. [Researchers have been unable to study the phenomenon from start to finish because they have been unable to make it happen in a manner anything like reliably [if at all] even using injections at thousands of PPM. One researcher became so frustrated that he went to the silver processing industry and looked at pre safety standards records spanning almost 100 years. He found the lowest absenteeism from colds and flu of any industry and an incidence of Smurf at 1 in 2000 workers.] - Yep, I've eliminated any of the above for consideration for the reasons you state. [Information from links to a collection of research papers off Rosemary Jacobs site before she actually read them and found them to make her claims very unlikely..and removing the links. None of which addressed or mentioned colloidal silver anywhere but on the collections cover page.] -This person was the last person I heard about years ago and I never even bothered to look into it as I already knew by that stage that I would just be reading more of the same crap. To conclude: My reason for asking the questions was purely of a selfish nature to try and determine what effects people on this site have experienced in all
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Neville wrote: my family alone I am unable to support the theory, (at this point in time), that silver should be considered as a contributing factor in this colouration until I can get further information to indicate otherwise. The aforesaid moon colouration could be attributed to numerous other issues of which, again, I believe would be a digression from silver. Of course I stand to be corrected on this but I would need more information to be forthcoming before I am satisfied, it appears there would be as many 'factors' involved in this as there are in EICS in my opinion. At the moment I would say that colouration of moons could be a *healthy* sign of silver permeating through ones' entire system and this colouration could simply be the first sign, or 'green light', signifying good blood circulation, combined with an adequate silver retention, while not necessarily being considered an *excess* of silver in the blood, (not dissimilar to 'rosy' cheeks if you like). I have to say it's not a bad theory though, however, feel free to correct me if you have additional information which would negate this theory. Thanks...Neville. Well, the blood theory does not stand up. Coloration due to blood goes away when pressure is exerted on the nail, forcing the blood out of the tissues, leaving them white. This coloration is not affected by pressure at all, except that there is a very slight shift in the tint due to the pink from the blood going away. Here is what I am talking about: http://silver-lightning.com/fingernails.JPG Note that we have at least 3 reports, not 2, since my wife and I both have it. Also I got mine when drinking very large amounts of EIS to kill Lyme from a tick bite, the timing is I think essential to ascribing the cause. What is interesting is that the the gray initially showed up in the moons only, but over the years has slowly diffused out beyond the moons. Another interesting feature is on the index finger, where a slight injury of the root has for years caused the nail to have a slight white line up the nail, now that line is gray part of the way up. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Neville wrote: - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:36 AM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. [I'm just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey anywhere else at all.] -By this I take it there is no grey anywhere else...No? My hair is gray, but that has nothing to do with silver. Marshall N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ode Coyote wrote: At 01:06 PM 12/2/2008 -0700, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Smurfism is due to *retention* of silver in the body from over indulgence plus an abnormal metals elimination system. It's not the form of silver, but the quantity of silver.. retained With the solubility limits of ionic silver, it's virtually impossible to imbibe enough silver over a lifetime to retain that much before the water kills you. The problem is that people who use salt as a starter and an unregulated generator But, neither Marshall nor I used that kind of silver. Low ppm LVDC silver, no starters or additives of any kind. We both DID use a lot though. I'm just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey anywhere else at all. sol ## Assuming you have some proof that it's actually argyria... I did have a doctor diagnose it as such, without her even knowing that I had taken any silver. No tests were done, simply an observation that went like this when she saw them: You know that gray on your fingernails is from silver? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:06 AM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. [Well, the blood theory does not stand up. Note that we have at least 3 reports, not 2, since my wife and I both have it. Also I got mine when drinking very large amounts of EIS to kill Lyme from a tick bite, the timing is I think essential to ascribing the cause. What is interesting is that the the gray initially showed up in the moons only, but over the years has slowly diffused out beyond the moons. Another interesting feature is on the index finger, where a slight injury of the root has for years caused the nail to have a slight white line up the nail, now that line is gray part of the way up.] -Very good Marshall, thanks for the photo, now I can see exactly what you all are talking about. I'll ponder over this for a while. Sorry about the numbers thing, I did say I'm not good at stats, focus is very narrow, sorry. Oh, I understand the grey hair part also g. I also want to apologise if it seems I am dragging this out but just one more query if you don't mind...silver apparently collects in the skin tissue which also apparently results in an effect not dissimilar to a tattoo, (from information available), now although blood is involved I would have thought that if the silver 'stains' or behaves as a tattoo does then would it not be reasonable to assume that no matter what pressure is applied this 'staining' or tattoo effect would not diminish? I know I'm naive regarding this but if the aforesaid 'staining' or tattooing thing is close to the mark then it suggests to me that the silver is not 'fixed' as such if you understand what I'm saying, more like 'trapped' in a given area. I am wondering if in fact the colouration is not actually in the skin, or the nail, but may be trapped in some 'fluid' between the two and is visible because it is unable to 'get away' for the want of better words, as when we sweat, moisture is released and is visible on the skin. It's OK, ignore me, I'm thinking aloud that's all as I haven't been able to find anything specifically relating to what I am thinking. This could be helpful in building up a legitimate methodology with the use of CS that's all, and the only way of doing this is to discuss it with people such as yourselves. Guess I need to learn some about human anatomy now. Thanks again for your information, I appreciate it...N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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=Neville wrote: - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:36 AM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. [I'm just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey anywhere else at all.] -By this I take it there is no grey anywhere else...No? None. BTW, Grey around nail moons waxes and wanes depending on how much EIS I use daily, and maybe with my selenium and vit E intake (whatever, they do get slightly better or worse from time to time) in fact the first (R) thumbnail to ever show any grey is now fairly clear in the center. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ode Coyote wrote: Assuming you have some proof that it's actually argyria... No proof, it will be interesting to see if it reduces as I get rid of my high ferritin. You got a start on the virtually part, ey? Getting enough selenium? Some but not enough. Vit E helps too? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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For me the first question is why is it collecting in the fingernail. In lew of knowing what the problem is, I think in terms of resoance and like frequency. If it can collect, it can be broken up. I work sonically and with reflexology. =z= The novelist, journalist and psychologist Michael Zangari http://zangarijournalism.com --- On Wed, 12/3/08, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:46 PM Ode Coyote wrote: Assuming you have some proof that it's actually argyria... No proof, it will be interesting to see if it reduces as I get rid of my high ferritin. You got a start on the virtually part, ey? Getting enough selenium? Some but not enough. Vit E helps too? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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There are several really good metal detoxing agents on the market. I won't mention eny brands but it is researchable. II also like Oxybliss..sorry about the brand, but it was so good I had detoxing in my eyes. I suppose someone has to say it. You may be approaching an overdose. Sterling silver is leathal. =z= The novelist, journalist and psychologist Michael Zangari http://zangarijournalism.com --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 12:47 PM Ode Coyote wrote: At 01:06 PM 12/2/2008 -0700, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Smurfism is due to *retention* of silver in the body from over indulgence plus an abnormal metals elimination system. It's not the form of silver, but the quantity of silver.. retained With the solubility limits of ionic silver, it's virtually impossible to imbibe enough silver over a lifetime to retain that much before the water kills you. The problem is that people who use salt as a starter and an unregulated generator But, neither Marshall nor I used that kind of silver. Low ppm LVDC silver, no starters or additives of any kind. We both DID use a lot though. I'm just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey anywhere else at all. sol ## Assuming you have some proof that it's actually argyria... I did have a doctor diagnose it as such, without her even knowing that I had taken any silver. No tests were done, simply an observation that went like this when she saw them: You know that gray on your fingernails is from silver? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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- Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. Snipped quote: [-By this I take it there is no grey anywhere else...No? None. BTW, Grey around nail moons waxes and wanes depending on how much EIS I use daily, and maybe with my selenium and vit E intake (whatever, they do get slightly better or worse from time to time) in fact the first (R) thumbnail to ever show any grey is now fairly clear in the center.] OK, I'm getting a picture here that it's pretty much pointless continueing with this nail moon thing as it seems there are a number of people ingesting medication or something else. This being the case there is no possibility of me making any correlation with silver while there is a combination going on. I mistakenly thought that silver was the only thing being ingested, not realising that other stuff was involved, sorry about that waisting of time people, still, I got something from it. I have found something very curious though, as a result of my discussion with Marshall I did an 'inspection' of my wifes fingernails and was *astonished* to find that hers was similar to Marshall's. The only difference is that the moon itself is probably not quite as grey and the other coloured 'arc' just above the moon is more defined and not appearing to be 'bleeding', if you understand my terminology of 'bleeding'. She's only been on CS for a matter of months but unfortunately I never noted the moons *prior* to her starting on CS, damn pity about that, I'm not bothered as there is no way it can be attributed to silver, (she happens to be on medication also!) I'll do some more moon 'inspecting'. I've been ingesting CS for approaching 4 years on a daily basis now, between 30 and 50ml, and the colour of solution has ranged from clear to very deep golden, the ppm can vary between 7 and 10ppm (after stabilising), and there is nothing in my nails, they are probably 'red-ish' if anything. When first getting into CS a few years prior I just used rain water at 250ml, (think that's 8 ounces?), in the morning but that wasn't every day, only spasmodically on and off for 2 to 3 years. I usually ensure the CS is clear, but am not fazed if it colours, (I've worked out my own medicinal value theories regarding the colour and ion/particulate issue), and the coloured batches were intermittent between using distilled and pure water. Experimental that's all, I've finished with experimenting with water now. I guess one could say I am using my own researched information and myself as a guinea pig and I will see how my moons shape up over time, just don't know how long it will take that's all, if it happens that is. If they do colour it won't particularly bother me, I'll still be healthy, I'll just paint them black and go Gothic or whatever they call itg. I'm considered the resident lunatic anyway for drinking CS so nobody will pay me any attention, of course if I was a millionaire I would be considered 'eccentric'and smiled at, rather than ridiculed and frowned upon as a 'pauper'. Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Smurfism is due to *retention* of silver in the body from over indulgence plus an abnormal metals elimination system. It's not the form of silver, but the quantity of silver.. retained With the solubility limits of ionic silver, it's virtually impossible to imbibe enough silver over a lifetime to retain that much before the water kills you. The problem is that people who use salt as a starter and an unregulated generator along with the entirely BOGUS **1 PPM per minute** rule have zero idea how strong they make their EIS and most of it isn't ionic...thus, not subject to solubility limits. Even then, a normal system protects and smurfism is quite rare as a normal elimination rate is around 94% in 48 hours. [98% over 30 days for inhaled dust] At that rate, it would take several hundred years to retain enough. Researcher have been unable to study the phenomenon from start to finish because they have been unable to make it happen in a manner anything like reliably [if at all] even using injections at thousands of PPM. One researcher became so frustrated that he went to the silver processing industry and looked at pre safety standards records spanning almost 100 years. He found the lowest absenteeism from colds and flu of any industry and an incidence of Smurf at 1 in 2000 workers. [Information from links to a collection of research papers off Rosemary Jacobs site before she actually read them and found them to make her claims very unlikely..and removing the links. None of which addressed or mentioned colloidal silver anywhere but on the collections cover page. ] Ode At 11:29 PM 12/1/2008 +1030, you wrote: Morning List, As many people have played around with EICS for many years now, and some would have been privy to better or more comprehensive information at this point in time than I have had access to, perhaps someone can answer the following two questions for me(a) Can anyone cite me an instance where *true EICS*, ie; pure silver in combination with distilled or pure water *only* has caused or has been stated as attributing to any colouration, at all, from the top of the hair on their head to the souls of their feet or anywhere in between on or in the human body? (b) Can someone also cite me any colour EICS ranging from clear right on through to dark golden or brown having been associated or attributed to 'colouration', if such cases indeed exist? I'm not referring to proteins, nitrates, compounds, anything having been 'added' to the mix or any other concoction which may have been 'engineered', nor am I referring to particle size, ion/particle ratios' etc, just pure silver and distilled or pure water producing Colloidal Silver using the Low Voltage DC electrolitic method as done in most homes around the globe today. It would be handy also if it was so stated in the article or instance cited that *true EICS* was involved or implicated, and the colour of the solution indicated. I am also not referring to any of the three faces dating back over the last 50 odd years that have been splashed all across the internet as none of these people are relevant to my questions. Any answers directly related to my questions which may be forthcoming would assist me in my determinations. Thanks...N. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ode Coyote wrote: Smurfism is due to *retention* of silver in the body from over indulgence plus an abnormal metals elimination system. It's not the form of silver, but the quantity of silver.. retained With the solubility limits of ionic silver, it's virtually impossible to imbibe enough silver over a lifetime to retain that much before the water kills you. The problem is that people who use salt as a starter and an unregulated generator But, neither Marshall nor I used that kind of silver. Low ppm LVDC silver, no starters or additives of any kind. We both DID use a lot though. I'm just referring here to grey nail moons, not any grey anywhere else at all. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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- Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:48 PM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. [Smurfism is due to *retention* of silver in the body from over indulgence plus an abnormal metals elimination system. It's not the form of silver, but the quantity of silver.. retained] -Ignoring for the moment a particular individuals ability/inability to eliminate metals, perhaps you could elaborate a little more regarding the *form* of silver. From all literature I have read through I am satisfied that silver in the form of ions pass through the body readily, and rapidly, hence I don't consider ions pose any issue. I am satisfied that all literature suggesting small doses several times a day is far preferable to larger doses per intake to be accurate for this reason. Correct me if the above statement is considered wrong. [With the solubility limits of ionic silver, it's virtually impossible to imbibe enough silver over a lifetime to retain that much before the water kills you.] -I'm satisfied with this also as tests on rabbits or rats, (doesn't matter what animal anyway), given large amounts of silver only resulted in one of them karking it due to the water, not the silver, so I'm well satisfied with this statement. [The problem is that people who use salt as a starter and an unregulated generator along with the entirely BOGUS **1 PPM per minute** rule have zero idea how strong they make their EIS and most of it isn't ionic...thus, not subject to solubility limits.] -Yes, I've already determined this long ago which is why I won't entertain any discussion of the published rubbish relating to those three people I mentioned. I discounted the 1ppm per minute thing long ago as well due to numerous factors which are incorporated in EICS. [Even then, a normal system protects and smurfism is quite rare as a normal elimination rate is around 94% in 48 hours. [98% over 30 days for inhaled dust] At that rate, it would take several hundred years to retain enough.] -I'm not unduly interested in stats as I'm not a very good statistician Ode, however I have read similar to this. The only question I would ask here is in reference to my first reply above with the inference that particles would work on this timeframe but ions would be eliminated far quicker. Again correct me if this statement is considered wrong. [Researchers have been unable to study the phenomenon from start to finish because they have been unable to make it happen in a manner anything like reliably [if at all] even using injections at thousands of PPM. One researcher became so frustrated that he went to the silver processing industry and looked at pre safety standards records spanning almost 100 years. He found the lowest absenteeism from colds and flu of any industry and an incidence of Smurf at 1 in 2000 workers.] - Yep, I've eliminated any of the above for consideration for the reasons you state. [Information from links to a collection of research papers off Rosemary Jacobs site before she actually read them and found them to make her claims very unlikely..and removing the links. None of which addressed or mentioned colloidal silver anywhere but on the collections cover page.] -This person was the last person I heard about years ago and I never even bothered to look into it as I already knew by that stage that I would just be reading more of the same crap. To conclude: My reason for asking the questions was purely of a selfish nature to try and determine what effects people on this site have experienced in all the years they have been playing around with EICS. In our times of global communications there should be many who can supply information regarding colour but it seems this is not to be the case. At the moment there have been only 2 people and both have spoken of fingernail moons so I am forced to develop a conclusion regarding colouration of fingernail moons also. As there are three differing colours of said moons in my family alone I am unable to support the theory, (at this point in time), that silver should be considered as a contributing factor in this colouration until I can get further information to indicate otherwise. The aforesaid moon colouration could be attributed to numerous other issues of which, again, I believe would be a digression from silver. Of course I stand to be corrected on this but I would need more information to be forthcoming before I am satisfied, it appears there would be as many 'factors' involved in this as there are in EICS in my opinion. At the moment I would say that colouration of moons could be a *healthy* sign of silver permeating through ones' entire system and this colouration could simply be the first sign, or 'green light', signifying good blood circulation, combined with an adequate silver retention, while not necessarily being considered an *excess
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Morning List, As many people have played around with EICS for many years now, and some would have been privy to better or more comprehensive information at this point in time than I have had access to, perhaps someone can answer the following two questions for me(a) Can anyone cite me an instance where *true EICS*, ie; pure silver in combination with distilled or pure water *only* has caused or has been stated as attributing to any colouration, at all, from the top of the hair on their head to the souls of their feet or anywhere in between on or in the human body? (b) Can someone also cite me any colour EICS ranging from clear right on through to dark golden or brown having been associated or attributed to 'colouration', if such cases indeed exist? I'm not referring to proteins, nitrates, compounds, anything having been 'added' to the mix or any other concoction which may have been 'engineered', nor am I referring to particle size, ion/particle ratios' etc, just pure silver and distilled or pure water producing Colloidal Silver using the Low Voltage DC electrolitic method as done in most homes around the globe today. It would be handy also if it was so stated in the article or instance cited that *true EICS* was involved or implicated, and the colour of the solution indicated. I am also not referring to any of the three faces dating back over the last 50 odd years that have been splashed all across the internet as none of these people are relevant to my questions. Any answers directly related to my questions which may be forthcoming would assist me in my determinations. Thanks...N.
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Neville wrote: Morning List, As many people have played around with EICS for many years now, and some would have been privy to better or more comprehensive information at this point in time than I have had access to, perhaps someone can answer the following two questions for me(a) Can anyone cite me an instance where *true EICS*, ie; pure silver in combination with distilled or pure water *only* has caused or has been stated as attributing to any colouration, at all, from the top of the hair on their head to the souls of their feet or anywhere in between on or in the human body? (b) Can someone also cite me any colour EICS ranging from clear right on through to dark golden or brown having been associated or attributed to 'colouration', if such cases indeed exist? I'm not referring to proteins, nitrates, compounds, anything having been 'added' to the mix or any other concoction which may have been 'engineered', nor am I referring to particle size, ion/particle ratios' etc, just pure silver and distilled or pure water producing Colloidal Silver using the Low Voltage DC electrolitic method as done in most homes around the globe today. It would be handy also if it was so stated in the article or instance cited that *true EICS* was involved or implicated, and the colour of the solution indicated. I am also not referring to any of the three faces dating back over the last 50 odd years that have been splashed all across the internet as none of these people are relevant to my questions. Any answers directly related to my questions which may be forthcoming would assist me in my determinations. Thanks...N. My wife and I both got slate gray fingernail moons from 5-20 ppm EIS when drinking quart levels every day. The solution was crystal clear, with very weak Tyndall. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:36 AM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. Marshall quote: [slate gray fingernail moons from 5-20 ppm EIS when drinking quart levels every day. The solution was crystal clear, with very weak Tyndall.] Excellent Marshall, Thank You very much for your cooperation, I believe you can see where I am heading here g. As I need to get absolutely precise answers Marshall, could you confirm for me if you will please that it was (a) *only* silver and water, and (b) produced by the LVDC electrolitic process? I don't need to know anything else, just if it was silver and distilled or pure water using the LVDC processyes for 'silver/water/LVDC', or 'no/other' will do. That's a fairly wide range in ppm unfortunately, but nevertheless I appreciate you adding that as I can see now that I should have included a question (c) ppm? Cheers...Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Oh, I should have added I suppose that if anyone is hesitant about responding in the public domain they can send me a personal email containing the appropriate answers, but please read the questions carefully as I only want answers to those questions, and including a question (c) 'ppm' also. Thanks...N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Neville wrote: - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:36 AM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. Marshall quote: [slate gray fingernail moons from 5-20 ppm EIS when drinking quart levels every day. The solution was crystal clear, with very weak Tyndall.] Excellent Marshall, Thank You very much for your cooperation, I believe you can see where I am heading here g. As I need to get absolutely precise answers Marshall, could you confirm for me if you will please that it was (a) *only* silver and water, and (b) produced by the LVDC electrolitic process? I don't need to know anything else, just if it was silver and distilled or pure water using the LVDC processyes for 'silver/water/LVDC', or 'no/other' will do. That's a fairly wide range in ppm unfortunately, but nevertheless I appreciate you adding that as I can see now that I should have included a question (c) ppm? Cheers...Neville. Yes, it was distilled water, .999 silver, LVDC, with stirring and polarity reversal every 60 seconds, 1 mA per square inch of electrode.. I think the ppm of what caused the problem was 18 - 21 ppm, I had been drinking 5 ppm for years before with smaller dosage with no problem. I now try to make it at 10 ppm and only drink it when needed. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:47 AM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. Marshall quote: Yes, it was distilled water, .999 silver, LVDC, with stirring and polarity reversal every 60 seconds, 1 mA per square inch of electrode.. I think the ppm of what caused the problem was 18 - 21 ppm, I had been drinking 5 ppm for years before with smaller dosage with no problem. I now try to make it at 10 ppm and only drink it when needed. -Thanks Marshall. OK, that pretty much confirms one of my determinations, all good I hasten to add. Just as a side note and from a purely personal perspective, or 'determination' if you like, I'm not unduly concerned about fingernail moons showing any 'colour' anyway, and only because I have my own theory regarding that issue, which again is all good. Cheers and Regards...Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Marshall Dudley wrote: My wife and I both got slate gray fingernail moons from 5-20 ppm EIS when drinking quart levels every day. The solution was crystal clear, with very weak Tyndall. Same here. I have slate grey fingernail moons with the darkest color on thumbs, and first 3 fingers of both hands. Little fingernails have some grey present, but very light. Also same EIS as Marshall's description, except with occasional very pale straw colored batches the first few months I was making it. Most of the EIS I ingested at the rate of between 16 and 32 oz per day for over 2 years was water clear. I have had the grey moons for several years, even though my EIS ingestion has not been that high for around 3 years. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Adding to my first response per questions below. LVDC, only .999 or . silver wire and very pure distilled water of .2 to .4 uS (Hanna PWT). My EIS, depending on which gen I use for it varies between 10 and 15 ppm. sol Neville wrote: - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:36 AM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. Marshall quote: [slate gray fingernail moons from 5-20 ppm EIS when drinking quart levels every day. The solution was crystal clear, with very weak Tyndall.] Excellent Marshall, Thank You very much for your cooperation, I believe you can see where I am heading here g. As I need to get absolutely precise answers Marshall, could you confirm for me if you will please that it was (a) *only* silver and water, and (b) produced by the LVDC electrolitic process? I don't need to know anything else, just if it was silver and distilled or pure water using the LVDC processyes for 'silver/water/LVDC', or 'no/other' will do. That's a fairly wide range in ppm unfortunately, but nevertheless I appreciate you adding that as I can see now that I should have included a question (c) ppm? Cheers...Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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- Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: Re: CSSearching for colour. sol quote: [LVDC, only .999 or . silver wire and very pure distilled water of .2 to .4 uS (Hanna PWT). My EIS, depending on which gen I use for it varies between 10 and 15 ppm.] -Thanks very much for that information. Yeah, I was going to ask about this part but you beat me to it g. I can see why you would only notice a slight colouration in the little fingernail, thumbs are much bigger and colour would be more obvious to the eye. Cheers sol...Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
