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Hi Indi, I was wondering if Nytol would work as well as this is diphenhydramine hydrochloride, but they tell you to take just one. It is 50mgs. Piriton and the non-drowsy one the doc gave him don't work at all. This is supposed to be a sleep aid though, but I don't know if you can get Benedryl in the UK. Thanks again. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Indi Date: 27/12/2008 18:57:32 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted I took a lot of diphenhydramine hcl (benedryl), otherwise I don't know how long they might have lasted. I am down to just a few small spots now. It could be that your husband is sensitive to sulfur, or something else the DMSO carried into his bloodstream. I'm sorry he's still suffering, hives are miserable. indi
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Yes, it's the same active ingredient in Nytol. Cheers, indi On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:16:06PM +, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi Indi, I was wondering if Nytol would work as well as this is diphenhydramine hydrochloride, but they tell you to take just one. It is 50mgs. Piriton and the non-drowsy one the doc gave him don't work at all. This is supposed to be a sleep aid though, but I don't know if you can get Benedryl in the UK. Thanks again. Dee ---Original Message--- From: [1]Indi Date: 27/12/2008 18:57:32 To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted I took a lot of diphenhydramine hcl (benedryl), otherwise I don't know how long they might have lasted. I am down to just a few small spots now. It could be that your husband is sensitive to sulfur, or something else the DMSO carried into his bloodstream. I'm sorry he's still suffering, hives are miserable. indi References Visible links 1. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com 2. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sorry, I forgot to say that 50mg every four to six hours is what I took. OTC Benedryl is 25mg per tab. indi On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:29:59PM -0500, Indi wrote: Yes, it's the same active ingredient in Nytol. Cheers, indi On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:16:06PM +, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi Indi, I was wondering if Nytol would work as well as this is diphenhydramine hydrochloride, but they tell you to take just one. It is 50mgs. Piriton and the non-drowsy one the doc gave him don't work at all. This is supposed to be a sleep aid though, but I don't know if you can get Benedryl in the UK. Thanks again. Dee ---Original Message--- From: [1]Indi Date: 27/12/2008 18:57:32 To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted I took a lot of diphenhydramine hcl (benedryl), otherwise I don't know how long they might have lasted. I am down to just a few small spots now. It could be that your husband is sensitive to sulfur, or something else the DMSO carried into his bloodstream. I'm sorry he's still suffering, hives are miserable. indi References Visible links 1. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com 2. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dee, is your husband taking any new medications within the last month. Some meds take a few weeks to build up in the system and then can cause a allergic reaction. Prozac is one of them. I suspect the DMSO is not the cause. On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Dee Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: That's strange Indi, because my husband still has 'hives' (red lumps under the skin all over the place) and this was after using neat DMSO. Anti-histamines, calomine lotion etc., don't work, so he has to see the doc again after the holiday. This has been weeks now. Dee *---Original Message---* *From:* Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com *Date:* 27/12/2008 01:28:08 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted Thanks very much for all the suggestions. The hives are still retreating; I'm really not sure what caused them. For now I'm doing the topical use of the Brooks Bradley mix more carefully; i.e. shower first, apply, then wait 10 minutes and shower again. Also, I'm using the nasal spray a bit less often -- like 3 times per day. Maybe I was just going too fast... -- A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have. Google Ron Paul
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No Sam, he doesn't take any new medications except for Nurofen for the pain in his knees, (which went when he put on the DMSO) it seems that it is ever since this that he has had the rash. He does occasionally take Temazepan too, but has done for years. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Sam L. Date: 28/12/2008 18:03:39 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted Dee, is your husband taking any new medications within the last month. Some meds take a few weeks to build up in the system and then can cause a allergic reaction. Prozac is one of them. I suspect the DMSO is not the cause.
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Thanks Indi. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Indi Date: 28/12/2008 17:33:10 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted Yes, it's the same active ingredient in Nytol. Cheers, indi
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That's strange Indi, because my husband still has 'hives' (red lumps under the skin all over the place) and this was after using neat DMSO. Anti-histamines, calomine lotion etc., don't work, so he has to see the doc again after the holiday. This has been weeks now. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Indi Date: 27/12/2008 01:28:08 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted Thanks very much for all the suggestions. The hives are still retreating; I'm really not sure what caused them. For now I'm doing the topical use of the Brooks Bradley mix more carefully; i.e. shower first, apply, then wait 10 minutes and shower again. Also, I'm using the nasal spray a bit less often -- like 3 times per day. Maybe I was just going too fast...
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I took a lot of diphenhydramine hcl (benedryl), otherwise I don't know how long they might have lasted. I am down to just a few small spots now. It could be that your husband is sensitive to sulfur, or something else the DMSO carried into his bloodstream. I'm sorry he's still suffering, hives are miserable. indi On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 06:36:30PM +, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: That's strange Indi, because my husband still has 'hives' (red lumps under the skin all over the place) and this was after using neat DMSO. Anti-histamines, calomine lotion etc., don't work, so he has to see the doc again after the holiday. This has been weeks now. Dee ---Original Message--- From: [1]Indi Date: 27/12/2008 01:28:08 To: [2]silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted Thanks very much for all the suggestions. The hives are still retreating; I'm really not sure what caused them. For now I'm doing the topical use of the Brooks Bradley mix more carefully; i.e. shower first, apply, then wait 10 minutes and shower again. Also, I'm using the nasal spray a bit less often -- like 3 times per day. Maybe I was just going too fast... References Visible links 1. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com 2. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks Indi. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Indi Date: 12/27/08 18:57:32 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted I took a lot of diphenhydramine hcl (benedryl), otherwise I don't know how long they might have lasted. I am down to just a few small spots now. It could be that your husband is sensitive to sulfur, or something else the DMSO carried into his bloodstream. I'm sorry he's still suffering, hives are miserable. indi
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Thanks very much for all the suggestions. The hives are still retreating; I'm really not sure what caused them. For now I'm doing the topical use of the Brooks Bradley mix more carefully; i.e. shower first, apply, then wait 10 minutes and shower again. Also, I'm using the nasal spray a bit less often -- like 3 times per day. Maybe I was just going too fast... The problem doesn't appear to have been caused by sensitivity to DMSO or glycerine, as far as I can tell, and I'm careful to use only natural laundry products, no fabic softener, and of course only use the double rinse cycle. Someone suggested the godzilla, but with a heart murmer and leaky valve I don't know if that's really such a good idea... I may try a Clark zapper, though. Hope everyone's Christmas was merry. :) Cheers, indi -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Indy, Thanks for the update. I had been wondering how you were doing. I am so glad yiou are doing better. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Dec 26 19:27:46 2008 Subject: Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted Thanks very much for all the suggestions. The hives are still retreating; I'm really not sure what caused them. For now I'm doing the topical use of the Brooks Bradley mix more carefully; i.e. shower first, apply, then wait 10 minutes and shower again. Also, I'm using the nasal spray a bit less often -- like 3 times per day. Maybe I was just going too fast... The problem doesn't appear to have been caused by sensitivity to DMSO or glycerine, as far as I can tell, and I'm careful to use only natural laundry products, no fabic softener, and of course only use the double rinse cycle. Someone suggested the godzilla, but with a heart murmer and leaky valve I don't know if that's really such a good idea... I may try a Clark zapper, though. Hope everyone's Christmas was merry. :) Cheers, indi -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Indi People are experciencing some good results using the Godzilla. A very simple unit to make and very effective. I have used it for several years for all kinds of stuff. It cured my drop foot when the good greedy doc's wanted to do back surgery. My own family was upset with me for not following doctors orders, now 2 of my sisters use the Godzilla. More info can be found at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ I wish you the best and god bless. Sam L On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote: I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA. Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath. This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS. Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream? I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this happened. Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment? According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come back stronger. Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed by such a sudden relapse? Thanks, indi -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have. Google Ron Paul
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some people are allergic to sulfer, also. If it sounds like allergic hives, is it possible it could be the sulfer in the DMSO? Ditto the carrying stuff into the skin- even detergents on the pajamas might be the culprit. kathryn On Dec 20, 2008, at 10:31 PM, sol wrote: That would be a typical allergic hives attack for me. Try dropping the glycerin out of your mix and see if that helps. http://www.pioneerthinking.com/glycerin.html You could be having an allergic reaction to the glycerin? I ahve a hard time thinking the hives are a direct response to the CS and DMSO, as I use those to STOP hives and eczema attacks. And yes, if you had chemicals on your skin, from any source, soaps, detergents, lotions, the DMSO could have carried those into the skin. sol Indi wrote: I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA. Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath. This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS. Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream? I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this happened. Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment? According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come back stronger. Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed by such a sudden relapse? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I would not use fabric softener on clothes you wear with DMSO. I know my family is sensitive to softener. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun Dec 21 11:30:55 2008 Subject: Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted some people are allergic to sulfer, also. If it sounds like allergic hives, is it possible it could be the sulfer in the DMSO? Ditto the carrying stuff into the skin- even detergents on the pajamas might be the culprit. kathryn On Dec 20, 2008, at 10:31 PM, sol wrote: That would be a typical allergic hives attack for me. Try dropping the glycerin out of your mix and see if that helps. http://www.pioneerthinking.com/glycerin.html You could be having an allergic reaction to the glycerin? I ahve a hard time thinking the hives are a direct response to the CS and DMSO, as I use those to STOP hives and eczema attacks. And yes, if you had chemicals on your skin, from any source, soaps, detergents, lotions, the DMSO could have carried those into the skin. sol Indi wrote: I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA. Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath. This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS. Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream? I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this happened. Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment? According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come back stronger. Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed by such a sudden relapse? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA. Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath. This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS. Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream? I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this happened. Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment? According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come back stronger. Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed by such a sudden relapse? Thanks, indi -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On relapses at the beginning of tratment, I suspect herxheimer reaction do to the body being overwhelmed dealing with die-off of pathogens. ( gets worse before it gets better) OR, if you want to try another direction, I suggest trying a round of MMS, a potent pathogen killer. http://mmsmiracle.com/ Best to get/read Humble's book. This is powerful stuff. Chuck Printers always die on page 999 of a 1000 page report!!! On 12/20/2008 6:59:19 PM, Indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote: I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA. Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath. This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS. Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream? I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this happened. Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment? According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come back stronger. Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed by such a sudden relapse? Thanks, indi No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1859 - Release Date: 12/20/2008 2:34 PM
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Thanks for your reply, and for the link. I am hoping it's a herxheimer, but I just don't know. Straight CS applied topically and internally got this under control for me in the past, so I'm going back to that for now. I just downloaded part one of that book on mms, maybe I will try it after I learn a bit more. Cheers, indi On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 07:21:34PM -0500, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: On relapses at the beginning of tratment, I suspect herxheimer reaction do to the body being overwhelmed dealing with die-off of pathogens. ( gets worse before it gets better) OR, if you want to try another direction, I suggest trying a round of MMS, a potent pathogen killer. http://mmsmiracle.com/ Best to get/read Humble's book. This is powerful stuff. Chuck Printers always die on page 999 of a 1000 page report!!! On 12/20/2008 6:59:19 PM, Indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote: I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA. Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath. This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS. Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream? I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this happened. Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment? According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come back stronger. Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed by such a sudden relapse? Thanks, indi Content-Description: AVG certification No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1859 - Release Date: 12/20/2008 2:34 PM -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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That would be a typical allergic hives attack for me. Try dropping the glycerin out of your mix and see if that helps. http://www.pioneerthinking.com/glycerin.html You could be having an allergic reaction to the glycerin? I ahve a hard time thinking the hives are a direct response to the CS and DMSO, as I use those to STOP hives and eczema attacks. And yes, if you had chemicals on your skin, from any source, soaps, detergents, lotions, the DMSO could have carried those into the skin. sol Indi wrote: I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA. Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath. This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS. Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream? I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this happened. Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment? According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come back stronger. Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed by such a sudden relapse? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
