Re: CStwice distilled water
That is definitely the problem. This is what I did the first time I distilled water--I put it through a filter. The finished water read 2. Then I distilled it again--and the reading actually went up to 3! Just use cold tap water...boil it in a kettle and tip it into the distiller still boiling. When the first tiny bit goes into the holding vessel...tip it off. Then just let it distill until the end. Apparently, boiling the water causes the volatile gas to 'burn' off because it only takes gas or whatever...to make impurities. You then make sure by tipping off the very first amount that comes out of the distiller. dee On 15 Aug 2010, at 21:12, needling around wrote: Thanks Dee. I would still like to know why, however, the second distillation is yielding crud on the bottom of the boiling pot if the water is supposed to be pure. I figured the specks were the charcoal but it doesn't seem to be a problem so far. I forgot to mention that I use filtered water that I boil before I put it in the distiller. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStwice distilled water
Did you remove the post process filter? ..it'll add stuff to the water. ode At 11:56 AM 8/15/2010 -0400, you wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me what is going on? I have be instructed to distill water twice for a particular purpose. I have discarded the first cup or so and not let the whole cycle run through so there is a little water left in the bottom each time. I clean the 'pot' between each distilling. Wiping it out well. My questions are these. If distilled water is supposed to be the purest water possible why on the second distillation do I still get debris in the bottom of the pot on the second processing? Second, if it is supposed to be a closed system why do I seem to be losing an inordinate amount of water as if it is evaporating? I guess there is a third, at the end there are a few black specks in the glass jug. I am assuming these are charcoal bits. Are they contaminating the distilled water? I'm using the Love model 4 and it is new as is the process to me. Thanks for any help you can give. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStwice distilled water
It is a permanently affixed filter so that option is out. I made CS with it yesterday using my Silver Puppy and it worked out fine so I guess there is no real problem. I have done as you suggested about the boiling and pouring it while still boiling and then pouring off the first cup or so and not letting it process to the end which someone else had written. Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 4:50 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water That is definitely the problem. This is what I did the first time I distilled water--I put it through a filter. The finished water read 2. Then I distilled it again--and the reading actually went up to 3! Just use cold tap water...boil it in a kettle and tip it into the distiller still boiling. When the first tiny bit goes into the holding vessel...tip it off. Then just let it distill until the end. Apparently, boiling the water causes the volatile gas to 'burn' off because it only takes gas or whatever...to make impurities. You then make sure by tipping off the very first amount that comes out of the distiller. dee On 15 Aug 2010, at 21:12, needling around wrote: Thanks Dee. I would still like to know why, however, the second distillation is yielding crud on the bottom of the boiling pot if the water is supposed to be pure. I figured the specks were the charcoal but it doesn't seem to be a problem so far. I forgot to mention that I use filtered water that I boil before I put it in the distiller. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStwice distilled water
I was wondering about that. Seems to me it could add fungus if it stays wet between uses. The water worked well with my Silver Puppy so I guess I'm OK. Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 5:39 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Did you remove the post process filter? ..it'll add stuff to the water. ode At 11:56 AM 8/15/2010 -0400, you wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me what is going on? I have be instructed to distill water twice for a particular purpose. I have discarded the first cup or so and not let the whole cycle run through so there is a little water left in the bottom each time. I clean the 'pot' between each distilling. Wiping it out well. My questions are these. If distilled water is supposed to be the purest water possible why on the second distillation do I still get debris in the bottom of the pot on the second processing? Second, if it is supposed to be a closed system why do I seem to be losing an inordinate amount of water as if it is evaporating? I guess there is a third, at the end there are a few black specks in the glass jug. I am assuming these are charcoal bits. Are they contaminating the distilled water? I'm using the Love model 4 and it is new as is the process to me. Thanks for any help you can give. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStwice distilled water
Try using the method shown just above the links at the bottom of this page. http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. Trem - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:50 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water That is definitely the problem. This is what I did the first time I distilled water--I put it through a filter. The finished water read 2. Then I distilled it again--and the reading actually went up to 3! Just use cold tap water...boil it in a kettle and tip it into the distiller still boiling. When the first tiny bit goes into the holding vessel...tip it off. Then just let it distill until the end. Apparently, boiling the water causes the volatile gas to 'burn' off because it only takes gas or whatever...to make impurities. You then make sure by tipping off the very first amount that comes out of the distiller. dee On 15 Aug 2010, at 21:12, needling around wrote: Thanks Dee. I would still like to know why, however, the second distillation is yielding crud on the bottom of the boiling pot if the water is supposed to be pure. I figured the specks were the charcoal but it doesn't seem to be a problem so far. I forgot to mention that I use filtered water that I boil before I put it in the distiller. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectarchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3073 - Release Date: 08/14/10 23:35:00
Re: CStwice distilled water
You would have to be able to change out the filter media - so you must be able to remove the media at least even if the housing cannot be removed. Does that make sense? On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:33 AM, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.netwrote: It is a permanently affixed filter so that option is out. I made CS with it yesterday using my Silver Puppy and it worked out fine so I guess there is no real problem. I have done as you suggested about the boiling and pouring it while still boiling and then pouring off the first cup or so and not letting it process to the end which someone else had written. Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 4:50 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water That is definitely the problem. This is what I did the first time I distilled water--I put it through a filter. The finished water read 2. Then I distilled it again--and the reading actually went up to 3! Just use cold tap water...boil it in a kettle and tip it into the distiller still boiling. When the first tiny bit goes into the holding vessel...tip it off. Then just let it distill until the end. Apparently, boiling the water causes the volatile gas to 'burn' off because it only takes gas or whatever...to make impurities. You then make sure by tipping off the very first amount that comes out of the distiller. dee On 15 Aug 2010, at 21:12, needling around wrote: Thanks Dee. I would still like to know why, however, the second distillation is yielding crud on the bottom of the boiling pot if the water is supposed to be pure. I figured the specks were the charcoal but it doesn't seem to be a problem so far. I forgot to mention that I use filtered water that I boil before I put it in the distiller. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStwice distilled water
Found it ... see below. Question - if using RO water to start would you still need to double distill? I haven't bought my distiller yet but it begins to seem like a hell of a lot more work to make the distilled water than it is to make the EIS. Jaxi ** *How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water.* 1.Remove the carbon discharge filter. It makes the water conductive. 2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full. 3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. 4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber. 5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4. You now have one gallon in the receiver. 6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber. 7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. You now have what is called double distilled water. Allow to cool and try to use it. It should measure less than 1 microsiemen using a PWT meter.. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Trem t...@silvergen.com wrote: Try using the method shown just above the links at the bottom of this page. http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. Trem
Re: CStwice distilled water
Thank you to everyone who responded to my questions. They have helped. I will be removing the discharge filter. PT - Original Message - From: jaxi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:39 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Found it ... see below. Question - if using RO water to start would you still need to double distill? I haven't bought my distiller yet but it begins to seem like a hell of a lot more work to make the distilled water than it is to make the EIS. Jaxi How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. 1.Remove the carbon discharge filter. It makes the water conductive. 2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full. 3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. 4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber. 5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4. You now have one gallon in the receiver. 6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber. 7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. You now have what is called double distilled water. Allow to cool and try to use it. It should measure less than 1 microsiemen using a PWT meter.. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Trem t...@silvergen.com wrote: Try using the method shown just above the links at the bottom of this page. http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. Trem
Re: CStwice distilled water
Sometimes following steps 1 through 4 is good enough. All steps are for making the best end product. Starting with RO is a good first step since much most minerals are removed but it migh also be OK starting with tap water. Experiment and you'll soon know. Trem - Original Message - From: jaxi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Found it ... see below. Question - if using RO water to start would you still need to double distill? I haven't bought my distiller yet but it begins to seem like a hell of a lot more work to make the distilled water than it is to make the EIS. Jaxi How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. 1.Remove the carbon discharge filter. It makes the water conductive. 2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full. 3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. 4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber. 5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4. You now have one gallon in the receiver. 6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber. 7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. You now have what is called double distilled water. Allow to cool and try to use it. It should measure less than 1 microsiemen using a PWT meter.. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Trem t...@silvergen.com wrote: Try using the method shown just above the links at the bottom of this page. http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. Trem -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3075 - Release Date: 08/15/10 23:35:00
Re: CStwice distilled water
Actually, the CS that I made with the water turned out OK. What I am interested in is how water that has been distilled can still be producing contaminants? It was my understanding that once it was distilled it is contaminant free. Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: Trem To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:38 PM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Sometimes following steps 1 through 4 is good enough. All steps are for making the best end product. Starting with RO is a good first step since much most minerals are removed but it migh also be OK starting with tap water. Experiment and you'll soon know. Trem - Original Message - From: jaxi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Found it ... see below. Question - if using RO water to start would you still need to double distill? I haven't bought my distiller yet but it begins to seem like a hell of a lot more work to make the distilled water than it is to make the EIS. Jaxi How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. 1.Remove the carbon discharge filter. It makes the water conductive. 2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full. 3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. 4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber. 5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4. You now have one gallon in the receiver. 6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber. 7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. You now have what is called double distilled water. Allow to cool and try to use it. It should measure less than 1 microsiemen using a PWT meter.. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Trem t...@silvergen.com wrote: Try using the method shown just above the links at the bottom of this page. http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. Trem No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3075 - Release Date: 08/15/10 23:35:00
Re: CStwice distilled water
The reason for double distillation is to remove most of the caontamimamts (minerals) The water is not producing contaminants. They were in it to start with. Trem - Original Message - From: needling around To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Actually, the CS that I made with the water turned out OK. What I am interested in is how water that has been distilled can still be producing contaminants? It was my understanding that once it was distilled it is contaminant free. Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: Trem To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:38 PM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Sometimes following steps 1 through 4 is good enough. All steps are for making the best end product. Starting with RO is a good first step since much most minerals are removed but it migh also be OK starting with tap water. Experiment and you'll soon know. Trem - Original Message - From: jaxi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Found it ... see below. Question - if using RO water to start would you still need to double distill? I haven't bought my distiller yet but it begins to seem like a hell of a lot more work to make the distilled water than it is to make the EIS. Jaxi How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. 1.Remove the carbon discharge filter. It makes the water conductive. 2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full. 3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. 4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber. 5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4. You now have one gallon in the receiver. 6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber. 7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. You now have what is called double distilled water. Allow to cool and try to use it. It should measure less than 1 microsiemen using a PWT meter.. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Trem t...@silvergen.com wrote: Try using the method shown just above the links at the bottom of this page. http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. Trem -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3075 - Release Date: 08/15/10 23:35:00 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3075 - Release Date: 08/15/10 23:35:00
Re: CStwice distilled water
Thanks. I understand that but once you distill it aren't they all supposed to be gone? The reason I double distilled it was because the homeopath wants it totally destructured before I use it. I thought singly distilled water was the purest water there was. I was surprised that it still contained contaminants. PT - Original Message - From: Trem To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water The reason for double distillation is to remove most of the caontamimamts (minerals) The water is not producing contaminants. They were in it to start with. Trem - Original Message - From: needling around To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Actually, the CS that I made with the water turned out OK. What I am interested in is how water that has been distilled can still be producing contaminants? It was my understanding that once it was distilled it is contaminant free. Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: Trem To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:38 PM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Sometimes following steps 1 through 4 is good enough. All steps are for making the best end product. Starting with RO is a good first step since much most minerals are removed but it migh also be OK starting with tap water. Experiment and you'll soon know. Trem - Original Message - From: jaxi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Found it ... see below. Question - if using RO water to start would you still need to double distill? I haven't bought my distiller yet but it begins to seem like a hell of a lot more work to make the distilled water than it is to make the EIS. Jaxi How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. 1.Remove the carbon discharge filter. It makes the water conductive. 2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full. 3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. 4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber. 5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4. You now have one gallon in the receiver. 6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber. 7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. You now have what is called double distilled water. Allow to cool and try to use it. It should measure less than 1 microsiemen using a PWT meter.. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Trem t...@silvergen.com wrote: Try using the method shown just above the links at the bottom of this page. http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. Trem No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3075 - Release Date: 08/15/10 23:35:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3075 - Release Date: 08/15/10 23:35:00
Re: CStwice distilled water
Dear PT, What I am interested in is how water that has been distilled can still be producing contaminants? It was my understanding that once it was distilled it is contaminant free. People used to use double distilled water when it had to be absolutely as pure as possible. Nowadays, there are (big and expensive) systems of cartridges used in lab and industrial settings that produce extremely pure deionized water that is appropriate for those applications. For us, double distilled is the most approachable way to get to that level of purity... though you should ask yourself if you *really* need that purity or if it's overkill. Why wouldn't the first distillation cycle get everything? Well, to start with, we've already talked about tossing off the first bits of water from the distiller to get rid of any volatiles that came off with the water and remain dissolved in the distillate. Then we learned to leave behind the last of the water, rather than boiling it off completely. This means that the resevoir doesn't need to boil dry and get hotter in order for the temperature switch to automatically shut down the heater. That makes it easier to clean out, I'm sure, but *also* means that some of the higher boiling point contaminants don't get a chance to evaporate and join with the last of the condensate to contaminate the batch. Both of these methods allow you to capture the purest portion of the output stream. Then there's not filling it all the way, which avoids the obvious problem of boiling water *splashing* into the condenser. The thing is that all of these processes are continuous... All the volatiles don't come off at the same temperature or infinitely quickly, and all of the possible contaminants have a perhaps small, but finite and measurable evaporation rate at whatever temperature you're operating. So, the whole while the water is being evaporated, at least some traces of these other things are also making it across to the output. So a second cycle of distillation, just as carefully done as the first (and *without* the output filter! grin) will simply take those contaminant levels down by *another* factor of however many orders of magnitude they came down with the first cycle, or at least close. I hope that makes sense? Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStwice distilled water
Hi Mike, It does... and thank you for taking the time to write it out. I guess I was naive to think one distilling would totally purify everything. What you have written (except for the output filter) is pretty much what I have been doing. I am told I need this level of purity for the homeopathic remedies I will be adding to the water. I'm told any lingering resonance would have an effect on them and so it is necessary to destructure the water. Thank you again for your assistance. PT - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Dear PT, What I am interested in is how water that has been distilled can still be producing contaminants? It was my understanding that once it was distilled it is contaminant free. People used to use double distilled water when it had to be absolutely as pure as possible. Nowadays, there are (big and expensive) systems of cartridges used in lab and industrial settings that produce extremely pure deionized water that is appropriate for those applications. For us, double distilled is the most approachable way to get to that level of purity... though you should ask yourself if you *really* need that purity or if it's overkill. Why wouldn't the first distillation cycle get everything? Well, to start with, we've already talked about tossing off the first bits of water from the distiller to get rid of any volatiles that came off with the water and remain dissolved in the distillate. Then we learned to leave behind the last of the water, rather than boiling it off completely. This means that the resevoir doesn't need to boil dry and get hotter in order for the temperature switch to automatically shut down the heater. That makes it easier to clean out, I'm sure, but *also* means that some of the higher boiling point contaminants don't get a chance to evaporate and join with the last of the condensate to contaminate the batch. Both of these methods allow you to capture the purest portion of the output stream. Then there's not filling it all the way, which avoids the obvious problem of boiling water *splashing* into the condenser. The thing is that all of these processes are continuous... All the volatiles don't come off at the same temperature or infinitely quickly, and all of the possible contaminants have a perhaps small, but finite and measurable evaporation rate at whatever temperature you're operating. So, the whole while the water is being evaporated, at least some traces of these other things are also making it across to the output. So a second cycle of distillation, just as carefully done as the first (and *without* the output filter! grin) will simply take those contaminant levels down by *another* factor of however many orders of magnitude they came down with the first cycle, or at least close. I hope that makes sense? Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStwice distilled water
The Alchemists distilled 7 times to assure complete demineralization Trem - Original Message - From: needling around To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Thanks. I understand that but once you distill it aren't they all supposed to be gone? The reason I double distilled it was because the homeopath wants it totally destructured before I use it. I thought singly distilled water was the purest water there was. I was surprised that it still contained contaminants. PT - Original Message - From: Trem To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water The reason for double distillation is to remove most of the caontamimamts (minerals) The water is not producing contaminants. They were in it to start with. Trem - Original Message - From: needling around To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Actually, the CS that I made with the water turned out OK. What I am interested in is how water that has been distilled can still be producing contaminants? It was my understanding that once it was distilled it is contaminant free. Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: Trem To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:38 PM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Sometimes following steps 1 through 4 is good enough. All steps are for making the best end product. Starting with RO is a good first step since much most minerals are removed but it migh also be OK starting with tap water. Experiment and you'll soon know. Trem - Original Message - From: jaxi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Found it ... see below. Question - if using RO water to start would you still need to double distill? I haven't bought my distiller yet but it begins to seem like a hell of a lot more work to make the distilled water than it is to make the EIS. Jaxi How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. 1.Remove the carbon discharge filter. It makes the water conductive. 2.Fill the boiling chamber no more than 3/4 full. 3.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. 4.Discard the remainder in the boiling chamber. 5.Repeat steps 2,3 and 4. You now have one gallon in the receiver. 6.Put 3/4 gallon of this water in the boiling chamber. 7.Distill only 1/2 gallon into the receiver. You now have what is called double distilled water. Allow to cool and try to use it. It should measure less than 1 microsiemen using a PWT meter.. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Trem t...@silvergen.com wrote: Try using the method shown just above the links at the bottom of this page. http://www.silvergen.com/links_resources.htm How to use a tabletop water distiller to produce very low conductivity, high quality distilled water used to make ionic/colloidal silver water. Trem -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3075 - Release Date: 08/15/10 23:35:00 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3075 - Release Date: 08/15/10 23:35:00 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3075 - Release Date: 08/15/10 23:35:00
Re: CStwice distilled water
Hi guys let me add my two cents as a chemist. In the old days double distillation was done to ensure a better job in removing the last traces of solutes carried out into the condensate by means of steam carry-over and also to dissipate the dissolved gases. However, if one follows good laboratory practices this second step is totally unnecessary. Firstly, once the evaporation begins, one should reduce the amount of heat applied just to keep the boiling going, otherwise one increases the risk of steam carry over. Secondly, one needs to add evaporation beads to avoid tumultuous boiling , another possible source of contamination. Thirdly, one needs to start with about one third to one half more water than what is required to avoid evaporating the tailings (where the contaminants concentrate as the evaporation progresses) It is important to check the thermometer. If the raw water is contaminated the contaminants may be steam distilled into the condensate; the temperature reading will confirm that. One begins to collect distilled water only when the thermometer reflects 100 C. and stops collecting when there is 1/3 left of the original volume. Finally, if the system is cooled with tap water make sure you turn the cold water before the evaporation begins to avoid steam from reaching the condensate and make sure there are no leaks of the cooling water into the condensate. That was forty years ago I hope I did not forget anything. Cheers Frank -- From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 7:27 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Dear PT, What I am interested in is how water that has been distilled can still be producing contaminants? It was my understanding that once it was distilled it is contaminant free. People used to use double distilled water when it had to be absolutely as pure as possible. Nowadays, there are (big and expensive) systems of cartridges used in lab and industrial settings that produce extremely pure deionized water that is appropriate for those applications. For us, double distilled is the most approachable way to get to that level of purity... though you should ask yourself if you *really* need that purity or if it's overkill. Why wouldn't the first distillation cycle get everything? Well, to start with, we've already talked about tossing off the first bits of water from the distiller to get rid of any volatiles that came off with the water and remain dissolved in the distillate. Then we learned to leave behind the last of the water, rather than boiling it off completely. This means that the resevoir doesn't need to boil dry and get hotter in order for the temperature switch to automatically shut down the heater. That makes it easier to clean out, I'm sure, but *also* means that some of the higher boiling point contaminants don't get a chance to evaporate and join with the last of the condensate to contaminate the batch. Both of these methods allow you to capture the purest portion of the output stream. Then there's not filling it all the way, which avoids the obvious problem of boiling water *splashing* into the condenser. The thing is that all of these processes are continuous... All the volatiles don't come off at the same temperature or infinitely quickly, and all of the possible contaminants have a perhaps small, but finite and measurable evaporation rate at whatever temperature you're operating. So, the whole while the water is being evaporated, at least some traces of these other things are also making it across to the output. So a second cycle of distillation, just as carefully done as the first (and *without* the output filter! grin) will simply take those contaminant levels down by *another* factor of however many orders of magnitude they came down with the first cycle, or at least close. I hope that makes sense? Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStwice distilled water
Thanks Frank but home distillation units are basically 'plug and play'. The only control I have is to unplug it when I want to turn it off (the on switch is not also an off switch). PT - Original Message - From: Frank frankcuns-r...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Hi guys let me add my two cents as a chemist. In the old days double distillation was done to ensure a better job in removing the last traces of solutes carried out into the condensate by means of steam carry-over and also to dissipate the dissolved gases. However, if one follows good laboratory practices this second step is totally unnecessary. Firstly, once the evaporation begins, one should reduce the amount of heat applied just to keep the boiling going, otherwise one increases the risk of steam carry over. Secondly, one needs to add evaporation beads to avoid tumultuous boiling , another possible source of contamination. Thirdly, one needs to start with about one third to one half more water than what is required to avoid evaporating the tailings (where the contaminants concentrate as the evaporation progresses) It is important to check the thermometer. If the raw water is contaminated the contaminants may be steam distilled into the condensate; the temperature reading will confirm that. One begins to collect distilled water only when the thermometer reflects 100 C. and stops collecting when there is 1/3 left of the original volume. Finally, if the system is cooled with tap water make sure you turn the cold water before the evaporation begins to avoid steam from reaching the condensate and make sure there are no leaks of the cooling water into the condensate. That was forty years ago I hope I did not forget anything. Cheers Frank -- From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 7:27 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Dear PT, What I am interested in is how water that has been distilled can still be producing contaminants? It was my understanding that once it was distilled it is contaminant free. People used to use double distilled water when it had to be absolutely as pure as possible. Nowadays, there are (big and expensive) systems of cartridges used in lab and industrial settings that produce extremely pure deionized water that is appropriate for those applications. For us, double distilled is the most approachable way to get to that level of purity... though you should ask yourself if you *really* need that purity or if it's overkill. Why wouldn't the first distillation cycle get everything? Well, to start with, we've already talked about tossing off the first bits of water from the distiller to get rid of any volatiles that came off with the water and remain dissolved in the distillate. Then we learned to leave behind the last of the water, rather than boiling it off completely. This means that the resevoir doesn't need to boil dry and get hotter in order for the temperature switch to automatically shut down the heater. That makes it easier to clean out, I'm sure, but *also* means that some of the higher boiling point contaminants don't get a chance to evaporate and join with the last of the condensate to contaminate the batch. Both of these methods allow you to capture the purest portion of the output stream. Then there's not filling it all the way, which avoids the obvious problem of boiling water *splashing* into the condenser. The thing is that all of these processes are continuous... All the volatiles don't come off at the same temperature or infinitely quickly, and all of the possible contaminants have a perhaps small, but finite and measurable evaporation rate at whatever temperature you're operating. So, the whole while the water is being evaporated, at least some traces of these other things are also making it across to the output. So a second cycle of distillation, just as carefully done as the first (and *without* the output filter! grin) will simply take those contaminant levels down by *another* factor of however many orders of magnitude they came down with the first cycle, or at least close. I hope that makes sense? Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CStwice distilled water
Hi, Can anyone tell me what is going on? I have be instructed to distill water twice for a particular purpose. I have discarded the first cup or so and not let the whole cycle run through so there is a little water left in the bottom each time. I clean the 'pot' between each distilling. Wiping it out well. My questions are these. If distilled water is supposed to be the purest water possible why on the second distillation do I still get debris in the bottom of the pot on the second processing? Second, if it is supposed to be a closed system why do I seem to be losing an inordinate amount of water as if it is evaporating? I guess there is a third, at the end there are a few black specks in the glass jug. I am assuming these are charcoal bits. Are they contaminating the distilled water? I'm using the Love model 4 and it is new as is the process to me. Thanks for any help you can give. PT
Re: CStwice distilled water
Are you using the charcoal filter which comes with it? If so, then this is the reason for your problems. I use a similar product but don't use the filter which came with the machine. When I used to filter mine through a Brita before distilling, I got a reading of 2. Now I only distill once using cold tap water then boiling it. I tip off the very first bit of water and then carry on. I get a reading of 000 every time using this method and my CS is always clear. dee On 15 Aug 2010, at 16:56, needling around wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me what is going on? I have be instructed to distill water twice for a particular purpose. I have discarded the first cup or so and not let the whole cycle run through so there is a little water left in the bottom each time. I clean the 'pot' between each distilling. Wiping it out well. My questions are these. If distilled water is supposed to be the purest water possible why on the second distillation do I still get debris in the bottom of the pot on the second processing? Second, if it is supposed to be a closed system why do I seem to be losing an inordinate amount of water as if it is evaporating? I guess there is a third, at the end there are a few black specks in the glass jug. I am assuming these are charcoal bits. Are they contaminating the distilled water? I'm using the Love model 4 and it is new as is the process to me. Thanks for any help you can give. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStwice distilled water
Thanks Dee. I would still like to know why, however, the second distillation is yielding crud on the bottom of the boiling pot if the water is supposed to be pure. I figured the specks were the charcoal but it doesn't seem to be a problem so far. I forgot to mention that I use filtered water that I boil before I put it in the distiller. PT - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:08 PM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Are you using the charcoal filter which comes with it? If so, then this is the reason for your problems. I use a similar product but don't use the filter which came with the machine. When I used to filter mine through a Brita before distilling, I got a reading of 2. Now I only distill once using cold tap water then boiling it. I tip off the very first bit of water and then carry on. I get a reading of 000 every time using this method and my CS is always clear. dee On 15 Aug 2010, at 16:56, needling around wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me what is going on? I have be instructed to distill water twice for a particular purpose. I have discarded the first cup or so and not let the whole cycle run through so there is a little water left in the bottom each time. I clean the 'pot' between each distilling. Wiping it out well. My questions are these. If distilled water is supposed to be the purest water possible why on the second distillation do I still get debris in the bottom of the pot on the second processing? Second, if it is supposed to be a closed system why do I seem to be losing an inordinate amount of water as if it is evaporating? I guess there is a third, at the end there are a few black specks in the glass jug. I am assuming these are charcoal bits. Are they contaminating the distilled water? I'm using the Love model 4 and it is new as is the process to me. Thanks for any help you can give. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStwice distilled water
It could have to do with the level of contamination in your water to start with. Sorcy - I think I got your name right - I think distills at least twice because of original water quality issues. On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 3:12 PM, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.netwrote: Thanks Dee. I would still like to know why, however, the second distillation is yielding crud on the bottom of the boiling pot if the water is supposed to be pure. I figured the specks were the charcoal but it doesn't seem to be a problem so far. I forgot to mention that I use filtered water that I boil before I put it in the distiller. PT - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:08 PM Subject: Re: CStwice distilled water Are you using the charcoal filter which comes with it? If so, then this is the reason for your problems. I use a similar product but don't use the filter which came with the machine. When I used to filter mine through a Brita before distilling, I got a reading of 2. Now I only distill once using cold tap water then boiling it. I tip off the very first bit of water and then carry on. I get a reading of 000 every time using this method and my CS is always clear. dee On 15 Aug 2010, at 16:56, needling around wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me what is going on? I have be instructed to distill water twice for a particular purpose. I have discarded the first cup or so and not let the whole cycle run through so there is a little water left in the bottom each time. I clean the 'pot' between each distilling. Wiping it out well. My questions are these. If distilled water is supposed to be the purest water possible why on the second distillation do I still get debris in the bottom of the pot on the second processing? Second, if it is supposed to be a closed system why do I seem to be losing an inordinate amount of water as if it is evaporating? I guess there is a third, at the end there are a few black specks in the glass jug. I am assuming these are charcoal bits. Are they contaminating the distilled water? I'm using the Love model 4 and it is new as is the process to me. Thanks for any help you can give. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
