Re: CS>pH of distilled water, was Re: CS>Re[2]: CS>Water Ionizers / Alkalizers
Yes, I distill my own DW. The pH of my unfiltered cold, filtered cold, and hot tap water are all about 6.5. (my test strips are in whole numbers only). When I first got the distiller (over a year ago), which is a very basic one gallon inexpensive one, the best water I could get from it was from distilling cold filtered tap water (Waterpik faucet filter, R-7 model) and it would usually be .2 to .3 uS with my PWT. Now, the DW from cold filtered tap water is usually around .7 to .9 uS. Distilling hot unfiltered tap water gives about .5 or .6 uS. Running that through the still a second time gets it to about .3 uS. Here, anything above .4 uS will make yellow CS. (my struggles with yellow CS are all in the archives). It has been a long time since I checked the pH of commercial distilled water available here, but I do remember none of it was 7, all was below that. sol V wrote: Hi sol, Do you make your own DW and what is the pH of the water you start with. The pH of my DW is 5. sol -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>pH of distilled water, was Re: CS>Re[2]: CS>Water Ionizers / Alkalizers
Hi sol, Do you make your own DW and what is the pH of the water you start with. My tap water has a pH of around 8.8 then I run the water through a carbon block filter to remove chemicals and stuff down to .5 microns. Then I ozonate the water and then put it in the water distiller and it comes out at around pH 9. I also check mine with a TDS meter and it reads 1 ppm. I checked a jug of Kmart distilled water and it was about 9 also. Take care, V > The pH of my DW is 5. > sol > V wrote: >>Hi S&JY, >> >>You wolud think that distilled water is that, but when I make distilled water >>it has a pH of 9. >>pH means how much hydrogen positive ions there are in the water so >>even if its perfectly pure distilled water it can have a very wide range >>of pH , >> the more positive hydrogen ions it has the more acidic it is. >> >> >> >> >> -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
- Original Message - From: "James Holmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:36 AM Subject: RE: CS>Ph of Distilled water? > Hello Nenah, > > Your mentioned: "... cautions against drinking acidic fluids that (unlike > lemon juice) do not turn alkaline." Could you give a few examples of such > fluids? Coffee, tea, distilled water, soda. Fruit juice is alkaline but too much sugar in the system causes the proliferation of microbes and thus acidity. Any good pH chart will give you a reference of acidity and alkalinity of common fluids. Look on the internet or in a good chemistry textbook. > You wrote that the excess acid from the body, "These acidic wastes cause > pain, denegeration [sic]and disease. Arthritis is a name we give to one of > these conditions." > > Can you briefly describe this process? > > Thank you in advance, > > JOH You can get all the biology and chemistry of what Dr. Young believes in his book SICK AND TIRED. It's softcover, available at bookstores. Best, Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH
Hi Nenah, You wrote that the excess acid from the body, "These acidic wastes cause pain, denegeration [sic]and disease. Arthritis is a name we give to one of these conditions." Can you briefly describe this process? JOH -Original Message- From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:ne...@bestweb.net] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH - Original Message - From: "James Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: RE: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH > Hi Nenah, > > So this means if one drinks alkaline water one's body pH increases, > and when one drinks acidic water one's pH decreases? In many cases, yes. > What happened to homeostasis? I'm not sure what you mean by that question. But if I understand you correctly: The body has a certain ability to adjust. The pH of the blood must always be between 7.35 and 7.45 (or thereabouts, depending on who you read). To maintain the blood's proper pH, the body will shunt acidic wastes that were not excreted, and other acids wherever it can. These acidic wastes cause pain, denegeration and disease. Arthritis is a name we give to one of these conditions. There are many more. This is why people are on alkalizing diets. > Adding baking soda to water makes it alkaline, before making the sol. > I have not tested the pH after adding the baking soda, but it must be > in the alkaline range. > > I will read your web writing when I get a chance. > > JOH I certainly hope you do...it was written to answer a lot of questions. Best, Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
Hello Nenah, Your mentioned: "... cautions against drinking acidic fluids that (unlike lemon juice) do not turn alkaline." Could you give a few examples of such fluids? Thank you in advance, JOH -Original Message- From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:ne...@bestweb.net] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 4:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? > > James Holmes wrote: > > Hi Marshall, > > > > What is your understanding of the effect of drinking acidic > > distilled water? > > > > JOH From: "Marshall Dudley" > Essentially no effect. The only long term effect I can think of would > be a slight etching of the teeth, which would be almost none. The CO2 > will get breathed out as soon as it hits the blood stream. Marshall, Every single source that I consider to be reliable, and every holistic health care practitioner I've ever consulted, cautions against drinking acidic fluids that (unlike lemon juice) do not turn alkaline in the system. There is already quite a bit of data on my website about this topic; so this is the last I'll say for awhile on the matter. Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
> > James Holmes wrote: > > Hi Marshall, > > > > What is your understanding of the effect of drinking acidic distilled water? > > > > JOH From: "Marshall Dudley" > Essentially no effect. The only long term effect I can think of would be a > slight etching of the teeth, which would be almost none. The CO2 will get > breathed out as soon as it hits the blood stream. Marshall, Every single source that I consider to be reliable, and every holistic health care practitioner I've ever consulted, cautions against drinking acidic fluids that (unlike lemon juice) do not turn alkaline in the system. There is already quite a bit of data on my website about this topic; so this is the last I'll say for awhile on the matter. Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH
Nenah Sylver 10/3/03 11:28 AM Wrote: > These acidic wastes cause pain, DENEGERATION and ... * Hi Nenah, did you mean to write degeneration? Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH
I can't say for sure, but maybe silver carbonate? Marshall sol wrote: > Marshall, If Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate (baking soda) is added to DW > before making CS/EIS, what compound is made? Didn't it used to be > fairly common to use it, and don't some people still use it? > Yesterday I made a batch adding a pinch of baking soda, a very, very > minute amount, not enough to begin to affect the pH of the distilled > water and it raised the uS to 48 (the DW started at .3) I ran the > batch until the uS went to 73.8 and it is still water clear 24 hrs > later, but what have I got really?TIA, paula
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH
> > From JAMES: > > > Hello Nena, > > > > > > Will adding enough Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate to distilled water to get the > > > PPM to about 4.5 offset the acidity? > > > > > > Very briefly, what harm does the acidic water do? > > > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > > > > JOH >From NENAH: > > Hi James. > > I am not familiar with Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate and its effect on pH. >From MARSHALL: > You may know it by an alternative name of Bicarbonate of Soda, or baking soda. > > Marshall Ah yes! Thank you Marshall. I'm glad you two posted this, because recently someone kindly wrote to me off-list suggesting that I add baking soda to the DW before making the Colloidal Silver -- which I did last night, and was going to report. The DW initially had a pH of 5.0 . After I added 1/2 heaping teaspoon to just under one gallon, the pH rose to a little over 8.0 . After I made the CS (for only about 30 minutes, less time than usual), I tasted the batch. It didn't seem "metallic" enough for me, so after a few hours I made it stronger. The batch now tastes both "metallic" AND as though there's baking soda in it. This ordinarily would not concern me, but when I put the silver wires into the fluid for the second time, after a short while I saw a "smoky" haze coming off the wires. I figured there was too much conductivity in the water on account of the baking soda, so turned off the unit. The possibility of larger-than-ionic particles, and a corresponding graying of skin, is what I wanted to avoid, which was why I waited nearly three weeks to do this experiment. I feel secure in my ability as a cook; I'm less confident when it comes to making CS! Next time I'll use less baking soda. In the meantime...how do I know that this current CS batch is good (meaning safe), without buying all sorts of meters etc.? Thanks much. Always learning, Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH
- Original Message - From: "James Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: RE: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH > Hi Nenah, > > So this means if one drinks alkaline water one's body pH increases, and when > one drinks acidic water one's pH decreases? In many cases, yes. > What happened to homeostasis? I'm not sure what you mean by that question. But if I understand you correctly: The body has a certain ability to adjust. The pH of the blood must always be between 7.35 and 7.45 (or thereabouts, depending on who you read). To maintain the blood's proper pH, the body will shunt acidic wastes that were not excreted, and other acids wherever it can. These acidic wastes cause pain, denegeration and disease. Arthritis is a name we give to one of these conditions. There are many more. This is why people are on alkalizing diets. > Adding baking soda to water makes it alkaline, before making the sol. I > have not tested the pH after adding the baking soda, but it must be in the > alkaline range. > > I will read your web writing when I get a chance. > > JOH I certainly hope you do...it was written to answer a lot of questions. Best, Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH
Hi Nenah, So this means if one drinks alkaline water one's body pH increases, and when one drinks acidic water one's pH decreases? What happened to homeostasis? Adding baking soda to water makes it alkaline, before making the sol. I have not tested the pH after adding the baking soda, but it must be in the alkaline range. I will read your web writing when I get a chance. JOH -Original Message- From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:ne...@bestweb.net] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 3:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH - Original Message - From: "James Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: RE: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH > Hello Nena, > > Will adding enough Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate to distilled water to get > the PPM to about 4.5 offset the acidity? > > Very briefly, what harm does the acidic water do? > > Thank you in advance, > > JOH Hi James. I am not familiar with Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate and its effect on pH. However, to the best of my knowledge I do not think that the PPM of the colloidal silver itself has anything to do with the acidity. When I begin with an acidic "distilled" water to make CS, even a brew that ends up to be strongly silver-metallic tasting is STILL acidic. "What harm does the acidic water do?" Most people's systems are already too acidic, which provides fertile ground for disease. This is all elaborated in the aforementioned articles on my website. Regards, Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH
Marshall, If Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate (baking soda) is added to DW before making CS/EIS, what compound is made? Didn't it used to be fairly common to use it, and don't some people still use it? Yesterday I made a batch adding a pinch of baking soda, a very, very minute amount, not enough to begin to affect the pH of the distilled water and it raised the uS to 48 (the DW started at .3) I ran the batch until the uS went to 73.8 and it is still water clear 24 hrs later, but what have I got really? TIA, paula
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH
Nenah Sylver wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "James Holmes" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:39 PM > Subject: RE: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH > > > Hello Nena, > > > > Will adding enough Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate to distilled water to get the > > PPM to about 4.5 offset the acidity? > > > > Very briefly, what harm does the acidic water do? > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > > JOH > > Hi James. > I am not familiar with Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate and its effect on pH. You may know it by an alternative name of Bicarbonate of Soda, or baking soda. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
Essentially no effect. The only long term effect I can think of would be a slight etching of the teeth, which would be almost none. The CO2 will get breathed out as soon as it hits the blood stream. Marshall James Holmes wrote: > Hi Marshall, > > What is your understanding of the effect of drinking acidic distilled water? > > JOH > > -Original Message- > From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? > > Because of the nature of the acids. The vinegar and juices have light > metals in them, like potassium, calcium and so forth that alkalinize. That > acidic portion is an organic acid, and breaks down into water and carbon > dioxide, so it has no effect on the body's balance. > > The acid in DW or CS would be carbonic acid, which also breaks down into > water and carbon dioxide, leaving water or water and silver behind. There > is no other solute to cause alkalization. > > You have to look at only the inorganic acids and bases to determine what the > effect will be on the body. > > Marshall > > Nenah Sylver wrote: > > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "sol" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:51 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? > > > > Nenah, > > Couple questions re acidic DW and CS: I often read that apple cider > > vinegar and acidic juices such as lemon juice, when ingested, actually > > have an alkalinizing effect in the body.so why doesn't acidic > > DW and CS do the same? TIA, > > paula > > == > > Good question, Paula. Certain liquids that register "acid" on pH paper > have > > ingredients in them OTHER THAN the hydrogen and oxygen (which combined > form > > water) that turns to alkaline ash in the body. > > > > I don't know if this is true for CS or not. No one has ever done a > > test on this as far as I know. > > > > As for distilled water: it appears that DW acidifies the body. But > > there's a lot more to it than that. Why don't you read the excerpt on > > my website, it's free. > > > > Regards, > > Nenah > > > > Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. > > Products, services, and information about health > > Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of > > *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* > > Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > > silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH
- Original Message - From: "James Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: RE: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH > Hello Nena, > > Will adding enough Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate to distilled water to get the > PPM to about 4.5 offset the acidity? > > Very briefly, what harm does the acidic water do? > > Thank you in advance, > > JOH Hi James. I am not familiar with Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate and its effect on pH. However, to the best of my knowledge I do not think that the PPM of the colloidal silver itself has anything to do with the acidity. When I begin with an acidic "distilled" water to make CS, even a brew that ends up to be strongly silver-metallic tasting is STILL acidic. "What harm does the acidic water do?" Most people's systems are already too acidic, which provides fertile ground for disease. This is all elaborated in the aforementioned articles on my website. Regards, Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
It dissolves a small amount of silica. JOH -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? One comment on the below: I work (as a non-scientist) in a university specializing in nutrition. One colleague told me not so long ago about the difficulty of getting reliable distilled water; even from the best suppliers, selling top-grade DW with elaborate labeling, in brown glass bottles, the stuff changes over time. In particular, the pH at the time of use is often different from the number on the label at time of bottling. My colleague said that the water and the glass react, and implied that this variation in PH is just accepted as a part of life in science. I have no more details than this; it may be they send the water back to the vendor for a fresher batch when this happens, or maybe they just record the PH variation in their scientific papers. I did not press for details at the time; I was just trying to get some DW for my own needs. (I ended up ordering Springfield DW from an importer. It works fine.) Bottom line: even PhD nutrition scientists have to deal with variations in PH due to the interaction of water and the container. JBB On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 03:42 Asia/Tokyo, Nenah Sylver wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Robert Berger" > To: "Nenah Sylver" > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? > > >> Hi Nenah, >> >> With all due respects to your education, the fact is that what is >> being sold > as >> distilled water does not have a pH of 7 !!! >> >> PURE water is very aggressive and is not called the universal solvent >> without >> reason. >> >> "Ole Bob" > > Bob, > There is no argument between us. Please hear what I am saying. I think > this is > important enough to post to the list; I hope you don't mind (even > though you > courteously sent me this message privately). > > By definition, if something marketed as "distilled" water has a pH of > either > higher or lower than 7.0, it is no longer distilled, or pure -- that > is, > containing SOLELY hydrogen or oxygen. Any pH of higher or lower than > 7.0 means > that the water has *something else* in it. The moment water containing > solely > hydrogen and oxygen leaches something into it, it is no longer > distilled. This > is not something I am making up; it's simply the definition of > distilled water. > > It is very easy for DW to lose its "distilled" status precisely > *because* it > does such a good job of leaching out things from its environment. If > water is > called the "universal solvent" (which I already know) -- and for a good > reason -- consider how much of a solvent DISTILLED water can be. > Distilled > water, which does not exist in nature, can be an even more aggressive > solvent: > the moment DW touches something, it will dissolve something into > itself -- in > many instances even more aggressively than non-distilled water -- in > an effort > to balance itself by bringing dissolved sediments, minerals, etc. into > itself. > > It is difficult to obtain genuine, pure distilled water precisely > *because* the > moment the DW touches something, it will begin to either interact with > its > container (leaching out plastic, for instance), or the air (leaching > out carbon > dioxide, thus making the water undesirably acidic if you're using it > for > drinking). > > It is fortunate indeed that water with a 5.5 pH (which is > *incorrectly* marketed > as "distilled," even though it may have been distilled *before* being > poured > into its plastic container) has been found by many people to be good > for making > colloidal silver. However, it is a problem for ME. I know how harmful > it can be > to drink acidic water. > > The drinking of acidic water will have to be balanced against the > benefits of > using colloidal silver. I am not at all making a case against CS -- I > have seen > the tremendous benefits of CS. What I am commenting on is the use of > *excessively* acidic water to make CS. I did not drink my last batch > of CS for a > reason; and I think that reason was because my intuition was telling > me that > that particular batch of CS was too acidic for either me or my animals > to drink. > In other words, it is possible for the microbe-killing abilities of > the CS to be > outweighed by the ability of acidic water to harm the system. > > My educ
RE: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
Hi Marshall, What is your understanding of the effect of drinking acidic distilled water? JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:41 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? Because of the nature of the acids. The vinegar and juices have light metals in them, like potassium, calcium and so forth that alkalinize. That acidic portion is an organic acid, and breaks down into water and carbon dioxide, so it has no effect on the body's balance. The acid in DW or CS would be carbonic acid, which also breaks down into water and carbon dioxide, leaving water or water and silver behind. There is no other solute to cause alkalization. You have to look at only the inorganic acids and bases to determine what the effect will be on the body. Marshall Nenah Sylver wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "sol" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? > > Nenah, > Couple questions re acidic DW and CS: I often read that apple cider > vinegar and acidic juices such as lemon juice, when ingested, actually > have an alkalinizing effect in the body.so why doesn't acidic > DW and CS do the same? TIA, > paula > == > Good question, Paula. Certain liquids that register "acid" on pH paper have > ingredients in them OTHER THAN the hydrogen and oxygen (which combined form > water) that turns to alkaline ash in the body. > > I don't know if this is true for CS or not. No one has ever done a > test on this as far as I know. > > As for distilled water: it appears that DW acidifies the body. But > there's a lot more to it than that. Why don't you read the excerpt on > my website, it's free. > > Regards, > Nenah > > Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. > Products, services, and information about health > Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of > *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* > Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Ph of Distilled water?>A couple of questions JOH
Hello Nena, Will adding enough Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate to distilled water to get the PPM to about 4.5 offset the acidity? Very briefly, what harm does the acidic water do? Thank you in advance, JOH -Original Message- From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:ne...@bestweb.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:43 PM To: bober...@swbell.net; silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? - Original Message - From: "Robert Berger" To: "Nenah Sylver" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? > Hi Nenah, > > With all due respects to your education, the fact is that what is > being sold as > distilled water does not have a pH of 7 !!! > > PURE water is very aggressive and is not called the universal solvent > without reason. > > "Ole Bob" Bob, There is no argument between us. Please hear what I am saying. I think this is important enough to post to the list; I hope you don't mind (even though you courteously sent me this message privately). By definition, if something marketed as "distilled" water has a pH of either higher or lower than 7.0, it is no longer distilled, or pure -- that is, containing SOLELY hydrogen or oxygen. Any pH of higher or lower than 7.0 means that the water has *something else* in it. The moment water containing solely hydrogen and oxygen leaches something into it, it is no longer distilled. This is not something I am making up; it's simply the definition of distilled water. It is very easy for DW to lose its "distilled" status precisely *because* it does such a good job of leaching out things from its environment. If water is called the "universal solvent" (which I already know) -- and for a good reason -- consider how much of a solvent DISTILLED water can be. Distilled water, which does not exist in nature, can be an even more aggressive solvent: the moment DW touches something, it will dissolve something into itself -- in many instances even more aggressively than non-distilled water -- in an effort to balance itself by bringing dissolved sediments, minerals, etc. into itself. It is difficult to obtain genuine, pure distilled water precisely *because* the moment the DW touches something, it will begin to either interact with its container (leaching out plastic, for instance), or the air (leaching out carbon dioxide, thus making the water undesirably acidic if you're using it for drinking). It is fortunate indeed that water with a 5.5 pH (which is *incorrectly* marketed as "distilled," even though it may have been distilled *before* being poured into its plastic container) has been found by many people to be good for making colloidal silver. However, it is a problem for ME. I know how harmful it can be to drink acidic water. The drinking of acidic water will have to be balanced against the benefits of using colloidal silver. I am not at all making a case against CS -- I have seen the tremendous benefits of CS. What I am commenting on is the use of *excessively* acidic water to make CS. I did not drink my last batch of CS for a reason; and I think that reason was because my intuition was telling me that that particular batch of CS was too acidic for either me or my animals to drink. In other words, it is possible for the microbe-killing abilities of the CS to be outweighed by the ability of acidic water to harm the system. My education about distilled water is sound, and I stand behind it. For my research on distilled water that I included in my Rife Handbook, I enlisted the help of chemist Dr. Dick Wullaert, head of the Functional Water Society with years of experience in water, minerals, water electrolysis, and more. Dick has worked with top scientists all over the world developing various electrolyzed and so-called "clustered" waters. I trust Dick's experience and research. I do not make this post lightly and am not villifying anyone for using acidic water to make CS. Rather, I am stating my *own* preference to obtain distilled water in as pure state as possible, due to the numerous serious problems that arise when people drink acidic water. I encourage you or anyone else to read the excerpt on water and minerals from my Rife Handbook. To learn more about pH and the body, click the "Products" link, then "Inner Light," and then the article called "Why You Need To Detoxify Your System." I would still love to find a good source of distilled water that is as close to a pH or 7.0 as possible, as I miss not having colloidal silver to use against infections. I welcome all suggestions, especially about who sells the best distiller. Best regards, Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and re
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
Potassium can leach out of glass, which would change the ph. The only bottle I know of that should not affect the water is PTFE aka teflon. Marshall "Jonathan B. Britten" wrote: > One comment on the below: I work (as a non-scientist) in a university > specializing in nutrition. One colleague told me not so long ago about > the difficulty of getting reliable distilled water; even from the best > suppliers, selling top-grade DW with elaborate labeling, in brown > glass bottles, the stuff changes over time. In particular, the pH at > the time of use is often different from the number on the label at time > of bottling. > > My colleague said that the water and the glass react, and implied that > this variation in PH is just accepted as a part of life in science. I > have no more details than this; it may be they send the water back to > the vendor for a fresher batch when this happens, or maybe they just > record the PH variation in their scientific papers. I did not press > for details at the time; I was just trying to get some DW for my own > needs. (I ended up ordering Springfield DW from an importer. It > works fine.) > > Bottom line: even PhD nutrition scientists have to deal with > variations in PH due to the interaction of water and the container. > > JBB > > On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 03:42 Asia/Tokyo, Nenah Sylver wrote: > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Robert Berger" > > To: "Nenah Sylver" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:44 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? > > > > > >> Hi Nenah, > >> > >> With all due respects to your education, the fact is that what is > >> being sold > > as > >> distilled water does not have a pH of 7 !!! > >> > >> PURE water is very aggressive and is not called the universal solvent > >> without > >> reason. > >> > >> "Ole Bob" > > > > Bob, > > There is no argument between us. Please hear what I am saying. I think > > this is > > important enough to post to the list; I hope you don't mind (even > > though you > > courteously sent me this message privately). > > > > By definition, if something marketed as "distilled" water has a pH of > > either > > higher or lower than 7.0, it is no longer distilled, or pure -- that > > is, > > containing SOLELY hydrogen or oxygen. Any pH of higher or lower than > > 7.0 means > > that the water has *something else* in it. The moment water containing > > solely > > hydrogen and oxygen leaches something into it, it is no longer > > distilled. This > > is not something I am making up; it's simply the definition of > > distilled water. > > > > It is very easy for DW to lose its "distilled" status precisely > > *because* it > > does such a good job of leaching out things from its environment. If > > water is > > called the "universal solvent" (which I already know) -- and for a good > > reason -- consider how much of a solvent DISTILLED water can be. > > Distilled > > water, which does not exist in nature, can be an even more aggressive > > solvent: > > the moment DW touches something, it will dissolve something into > > itself -- in > > many instances even more aggressively than non-distilled water -- in > > an effort > > to balance itself by bringing dissolved sediments, minerals, etc. into > > itself. > > > > It is difficult to obtain genuine, pure distilled water precisely > > *because* the > > moment the DW touches something, it will begin to either interact with > > its > > container (leaching out plastic, for instance), or the air (leaching > > out carbon > > dioxide, thus making the water undesirably acidic if you're using it > > for > > drinking). > > > > It is fortunate indeed that water with a 5.5 pH (which is > > *incorrectly* marketed > > as "distilled," even though it may have been distilled *before* being > > poured > > into its plastic container) has been found by many people to be good > > for making > > colloidal silver. However, it is a problem for ME. I know how harmful > > it can be > > to drink acidic water. > > > > The drinking of acidic water will have to be balanced against the > > benefits of > > using colloidal silver. I am not at all making a case against CS -- I > > have seen > > the tremendous benefits of CS. What I am commenting on is the use of > > *excessively* a
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
Because of the nature of the acids. The vinegar and juices have light metals in them, like potassium, calcium and so forth that alkalinize. That acidic portion is an organic acid, and breaks down into water and carbon dioxide, so it has no effect on the body's balance. The acid in DW or CS would be carbonic acid, which also breaks down into water and carbon dioxide, leaving water or water and silver behind. There is no other solute to cause alkalization. You have to look at only the inorganic acids and bases to determine what the effect will be on the body. Marshall Nenah Sylver wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "sol" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? > > Nenah, > Couple questions re acidic DW and CS: I often read that apple cider vinegar > and acidic juices such as lemon juice, when ingested, actually have an > alkalinizing effect in the body.so why doesn't acidic DW and CS do the > same? > TIA, > paula > == > Good question, Paula. Certain liquids that register "acid" on pH paper have > ingredients in them OTHER THAN the hydrogen and oxygen (which combined form > water) that turns to alkaline ash in the body. > > I don't know if this is true for CS or not. No one has ever done a test on > this > as far as I know. > > As for distilled water: it appears that DW acidifies the body. But there's a > lot > more to it than that. Why don't you read the excerpt on my website, it's free. > > Regards, > Nenah > > Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. > Products, services, and information about health > Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of > *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* > Order the book and read excerpts at > http://www.nenahsylver.com/ > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
hi paula the chemistry is different. other substances in the apple cider vinegar and lemon juice are supposed to catalyze an alkaline reaction in the body. as far as DW -distilled water- it is supposed to become more acid as it ages. picks up co2 -which is acid- from the air and incorporates it into the water chemically. the above are two observations i have read. i am not a chemistry guy. Nenah, Couple questions re acidic DW and CS: I often read that apple cider vinegar and acidic juices such as lemon juice, when ingested, actually have an alkalinizing effect in the body.so why doesn't acidic DW and CS do the same? TIA, paula - Original Message - From: <mailto:ne...@bestweb.net>Nenah Sylver To: <mailto:bober...@swbell.net>bober...@swbell.net ; <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? I am stating my *own* preference to obtain distilled water in as pure state as possible, due to the numerous serious problems that arise when people drink acidic water. I encourage you or anyone else to read the excerpt on water and minerals from my Rife Handbook. To learn more about pH and the body, -- best, willian
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
One comment on the below: I work (as a non-scientist) in a university specializing in nutrition. One colleague told me not so long ago about the difficulty of getting reliable distilled water; even from the best suppliers, selling top-grade DW with elaborate labeling, in brown glass bottles, the stuff changes over time. In particular, the pH at the time of use is often different from the number on the label at time of bottling. My colleague said that the water and the glass react, and implied that this variation in PH is just accepted as a part of life in science. I have no more details than this; it may be they send the water back to the vendor for a fresher batch when this happens, or maybe they just record the PH variation in their scientific papers. I did not press for details at the time; I was just trying to get some DW for my own needs. (I ended up ordering Springfield DW from an importer. It works fine.) Bottom line: even PhD nutrition scientists have to deal with variations in PH due to the interaction of water and the container. JBB On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 03:42 Asia/Tokyo, Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: "Robert Berger" To: "Nenah Sylver" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? Hi Nenah, With all due respects to your education, the fact is that what is being sold as distilled water does not have a pH of 7 !!! PURE water is very aggressive and is not called the universal solvent without reason. "Ole Bob" Bob, There is no argument between us. Please hear what I am saying. I think this is important enough to post to the list; I hope you don't mind (even though you courteously sent me this message privately). By definition, if something marketed as "distilled" water has a pH of either higher or lower than 7.0, it is no longer distilled, or pure -- that is, containing SOLELY hydrogen or oxygen. Any pH of higher or lower than 7.0 means that the water has *something else* in it. The moment water containing solely hydrogen and oxygen leaches something into it, it is no longer distilled. This is not something I am making up; it's simply the definition of distilled water. It is very easy for DW to lose its "distilled" status precisely *because* it does such a good job of leaching out things from its environment. If water is called the "universal solvent" (which I already know) -- and for a good reason -- consider how much of a solvent DISTILLED water can be. Distilled water, which does not exist in nature, can be an even more aggressive solvent: the moment DW touches something, it will dissolve something into itself -- in many instances even more aggressively than non-distilled water -- in an effort to balance itself by bringing dissolved sediments, minerals, etc. into itself. It is difficult to obtain genuine, pure distilled water precisely *because* the moment the DW touches something, it will begin to either interact with its container (leaching out plastic, for instance), or the air (leaching out carbon dioxide, thus making the water undesirably acidic if you're using it for drinking). It is fortunate indeed that water with a 5.5 pH (which is *incorrectly* marketed as "distilled," even though it may have been distilled *before* being poured into its plastic container) has been found by many people to be good for making colloidal silver. However, it is a problem for ME. I know how harmful it can be to drink acidic water. The drinking of acidic water will have to be balanced against the benefits of using colloidal silver. I am not at all making a case against CS -- I have seen the tremendous benefits of CS. What I am commenting on is the use of *excessively* acidic water to make CS. I did not drink my last batch of CS for a reason; and I think that reason was because my intuition was telling me that that particular batch of CS was too acidic for either me or my animals to drink. In other words, it is possible for the microbe-killing abilities of the CS to be outweighed by the ability of acidic water to harm the system. My education about distilled water is sound, and I stand behind it. For my research on distilled water that I included in my Rife Handbook, I enlisted the help of chemist Dr. Dick Wullaert, head of the Functional Water Society with years of experience in water, minerals, water electrolysis, and more. Dick has worked with top scientists all over the world developing various electrolyzed and so-called "clustered" waters. I trust Dick's experience and research. I do not make this post lightly and am not villifying anyone for using acidic water to make CS. Rather, I am stating my *own* preference to obtain distilled water in as pure state as possible, due to the numerous serious problems that arise whe
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
- Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? Nenah, Couple questions re acidic DW and CS: I often read that apple cider vinegar and acidic juices such as lemon juice, when ingested, actually have an alkalinizing effect in the body.so why doesn't acidic DW and CS do the same? TIA, paula == Good question, Paula. Certain liquids that register "acid" on pH paper have ingredients in them OTHER THAN the hydrogen and oxygen (which combined form water) that turns to alkaline ash in the body. I don't know if this is true for CS or not. No one has ever done a test on this as far as I know. As for distilled water: it appears that DW acidifies the body. But there's a lot more to it than that. Why don't you read the excerpt on my website, it's free. Regards, Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
Nenah, Couple questions re acidic DW and CS: I often read that apple cider vinegar and acidic juices such as lemon juice, when ingested, actually have an alkalinizing effect in the body.so why doesn't acidic DW and CS do the same? TIA, paula - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver To: bober...@swbell.net ; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? I am stating my *own* preference to obtain distilled water in as pure state as possible, due to the numerous serious problems that arise when people drink acidic water. I encourage you or anyone else to read the excerpt on water and minerals from my Rife Handbook. To learn more about pH and the body,
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
- Original Message - From: "Robert Berger" To: "Nenah Sylver" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water? > Hi Nenah, > > With all due respects to your education, the fact is that what is being sold as > distilled water does not have a pH of 7 !!! > > PURE water is very aggressive and is not called the universal solvent without > reason. > > "Ole Bob" Bob, There is no argument between us. Please hear what I am saying. I think this is important enough to post to the list; I hope you don't mind (even though you courteously sent me this message privately). By definition, if something marketed as "distilled" water has a pH of either higher or lower than 7.0, it is no longer distilled, or pure -- that is, containing SOLELY hydrogen or oxygen. Any pH of higher or lower than 7.0 means that the water has *something else* in it. The moment water containing solely hydrogen and oxygen leaches something into it, it is no longer distilled. This is not something I am making up; it's simply the definition of distilled water. It is very easy for DW to lose its "distilled" status precisely *because* it does such a good job of leaching out things from its environment. If water is called the "universal solvent" (which I already know) -- and for a good reason -- consider how much of a solvent DISTILLED water can be. Distilled water, which does not exist in nature, can be an even more aggressive solvent: the moment DW touches something, it will dissolve something into itself -- in many instances even more aggressively than non-distilled water -- in an effort to balance itself by bringing dissolved sediments, minerals, etc. into itself. It is difficult to obtain genuine, pure distilled water precisely *because* the moment the DW touches something, it will begin to either interact with its container (leaching out plastic, for instance), or the air (leaching out carbon dioxide, thus making the water undesirably acidic if you're using it for drinking). It is fortunate indeed that water with a 5.5 pH (which is *incorrectly* marketed as "distilled," even though it may have been distilled *before* being poured into its plastic container) has been found by many people to be good for making colloidal silver. However, it is a problem for ME. I know how harmful it can be to drink acidic water. The drinking of acidic water will have to be balanced against the benefits of using colloidal silver. I am not at all making a case against CS -- I have seen the tremendous benefits of CS. What I am commenting on is the use of *excessively* acidic water to make CS. I did not drink my last batch of CS for a reason; and I think that reason was because my intuition was telling me that that particular batch of CS was too acidic for either me or my animals to drink. In other words, it is possible for the microbe-killing abilities of the CS to be outweighed by the ability of acidic water to harm the system. My education about distilled water is sound, and I stand behind it. For my research on distilled water that I included in my Rife Handbook, I enlisted the help of chemist Dr. Dick Wullaert, head of the Functional Water Society with years of experience in water, minerals, water electrolysis, and more. Dick has worked with top scientists all over the world developing various electrolyzed and so-called "clustered" waters. I trust Dick's experience and research. I do not make this post lightly and am not villifying anyone for using acidic water to make CS. Rather, I am stating my *own* preference to obtain distilled water in as pure state as possible, due to the numerous serious problems that arise when people drink acidic water. I encourage you or anyone else to read the excerpt on water and minerals from my Rife Handbook. To learn more about pH and the body, click the "Products" link, then "Inner Light," and then the article called "Why You Need To Detoxify Your System." I would still love to find a good source of distilled water that is as close to a pH or 7.0 as possible, as I miss not having colloidal silver to use against infections. I welcome all suggestions, especially about who sells the best distiller. Best regards, Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name "Nina Silver") of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ph of Distilled water?
Paula, The pH of DW should be about 5 to 5.5, not 3 !! "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
