Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Ruth Bertella]

I'd like the info when you have time.  TIA, Ruth
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 3:34 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed


I just called the number on the www.herbhealers.com site, which is the 
sales page for alpha omega labs.  I got a woman, so I'm thinking it's the 
owner, though I forget her name.  Maybe not though.

Anyway, she answered it as alpha omega.  When I explained about not 
seeing the a/o site she said that the herbhealers was their new site because 
they were made to take out almost all the medicinal information and all the 
testimonials for the US site. 

She suggested the way back machine.  I told her I had looked there but 
it only went up to 2008, and she said to try putting in herbhealers--so I did, 
but that only brings up to 2007.  So looking at the wayback machine for 
alphaomega labs is the best bet.  

I told her that I had bought the H3o before but that I saw it wasn't 
available anymore and she said they had to rename it and it's now called 
calcium sulfate, which can be ordered.  You need to go to the wayback machine 
to see what all H3o does, or tell me you want the info that Tony sent me.

Samala,
Renee 
  
   

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Renee]

Hmmm, must be a very, very low percentage solution.  I have some, it's
liquid, and clear.  Maybe made like MMS, x amount of plaster of Paris to x
amount of water to get a medicinal liquid!

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
More commonly known as Plaster of Paris.
 
Marshall
 
Dan Nave wrote:
> Calcium Sulfate doesn't appear to be very soluble.  I wonder what is
> really in it...
>

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Marshall Dudley]

More commonly known as Plaster of Paris.

Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:
Calcium Sulfate doesn't appear to be very soluble.  I wonder what is 
really in it...
 
Dan


On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Renee > wrote:


I just called the number on the www.herbhealers.com
 site, which is the sales page for
alpha omega labs.  I got a woman, so I'm thinking it's the owner,
though I forget her name.  Maybe not though.
 
Anyway, she answered it as alpha omega.  When I explained about

not seeing the a/o site she said that the herbhealers was their
new site because they were made to take out almost all the
medicinal information and all the testimonials for the US site.
 
She suggested the way back machine.  I told her I had looked there

but it only went up to 2008, and she said to try putting in
herbhealers--so I did, but that only brings up to 2007.  So
looking at the wayback machine for alphaomega labs is the best bet. 
 
I told her that I had bought the H3o before but that I saw it

wasn't available anymore and she said they had to rename it and
it's now called calcium sulfate, which can be ordered.  You need
to go to the wayback machine to see what all H3o does, or tell me
you want the info that Tony sent me.
 
Samala,

Renee







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Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Dan Nave]

Calcium Sulfate doesn't appear to be very soluble.  I wonder what is really
in it...

Dan

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Renee  wrote:

>I just called the number on the www.herbhealers.com site, which is the
> sales page for alpha omega labs.  I got a woman, so I'm thinking it's the
> owner, though I forget her name.  Maybe not though.
>
> Anyway, she answered it as alpha omega.  When I explained about not seeing
> the a/o site she said that the herbhealers was their new site because they
> were made to take out almost all the medicinal information and all the
> testimonials for the US site.
>
> She suggested the way back machine.  I told her I had looked there but it
> only went up to 2008, and she said to try putting in herbhealers--so I did,
> but that only brings up to 2007.  So looking at the wayback machine for
> alphaomega labs is the best bet.
>
> I told her that I had bought the H3o before but that I saw it wasn't
> available anymore and she said they had to rename it and it's now called
> calcium sulfate, which can be ordered.  You need to go to the wayback
> machine to see what all H3o does, or tell me you want the info that Tony
> sent me.
>
> Samala,
> Renee
>

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Renee]

I just called the number on the www.herbhealers.com site, which is the sales
page for alpha omega labs.  I got a woman, so I'm thinking it's the owner,
though I forget her name.  Maybe not though.

Anyway, she answered it as alpha omega.  When I explained about not seeing
the a/o site she said that the herbhealers was their new site because they
were made to take out almost all the medicinal information and all the
testimonials for the US site. 

She suggested the way back machine.  I told her I had looked there but it
only went up to 2008, and she said to try putting in herbhealers--so I did,
but that only brings up to 2007.  So looking at the wayback machine for
alphaomega labs is the best bet.  

I told her that I had bought the H3o before but that I saw it wasn't
available anymore and she said they had to rename it and it's now called
calcium sulfate, which can be ordered.  You need to go to the wayback
machine to see what all H3o does, or tell me you want the info that Tony
sent me.

Samala,
Renee

RE: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Dianne France]

I would also appreciate copies of the H3o information.  Thanks, Dianne
 


Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:01:35 -0700
From: dt78...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
To: silver-list@eskimo.com





Would appreciate copies of the H3o information.   Many thanks, dt

--- On Wed, 9/15/10, Renee  wrote:


From: Renee 
Subject: RE: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 4:35 PM











Anyone that wanted what Tony sent me, please ask again so I can forward it to 
you.  I have deleted those emails.  I did look at the wayback machine for alpha 
omega labs, as Marshall suggested, and found their H3o information.  But I 
dodn't know if in the 2 years they have updated it so will compare what Tony 
sent me to that one later on this evening.  At one point they could not sell 
H3o in the US, then when they went to s. America the started making it again, 
and I ordered it, along with some tinctures.
 
At the time the h3o and the cansema came from SA and later the tinctures came 
from here in the US.  So they have a US distributor, but was--at that 
time--also sending things from SA, things not allowed to be sold in the US I 
guess.  Now apparently they are not even being allowed to send stuff from SA 
anymore, as we are being denied access to the SA site!!!  And here I thought 
only China censored the Internet!
 
If anyone figures out a way around this, I would love to 'take it for a spin' 
and report back here what I can see.
 
Samala,
Renee   
 
 

 
 
---Original Message---
 
Okay, can somebody come up with SIMPLE instructions for us so Renee can
try browsing the site using an offshore proxy and see what she's not
being allowed to see from inside the US?
 
That'd be a fun experiment and a useful skill for us all to develop.
I'd love to hear her report...
 







  

RE: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[moore dt]

Would appreciate copies of the H3o information.   Many thanks, dt

--- On Wed, 9/15/10, Renee  wrote:


From: Renee 
Subject: RE: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 4:35 PM



#yiv289770206 v\3a* {
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Anyone that wanted what Tony sent me, please ask again so I can forward it to 
you.  I have deleted those emails.  I did look at the wayback machine for alpha 
omega labs, as Marshall suggested, and found their H3o information.  But I 
dodn't know if in the 2 years they have updated it so will compare what Tony 
sent me to that one later on this evening.  At one point they could not sell 
H3o in the US, then when they went to s. America the started making it again, 
and I ordered it, along with some tinctures.
 
At the time the h3o and the cansema came from SA and later the tinctures came 
from here in the US.  So they have a US distributor, but was--at that 
time--also sending things from SA, things not allowed to be sold in the US I 
guess.  Now apparently they are not even being allowed to send stuff from SA 
anymore, as we are being denied access to the SA site!!!  And here I thought 
only China censored the Internet!
 
If anyone figures out a way around this, I would love to 'take it for a spin' 
and report back here what I can see.
 
Samala,
Renee   
 
 

 
 
---Original Message---
 
Okay, can somebody come up with SIMPLE instructions for us so Renee can
try browsing the site using an offshore proxy and see what she's not
being allowed to see from inside the US?
 
That'd be a fun experiment and a useful skill for us all to develop.
I'd love to hear her report...
 









  

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Bob Banever]

I'd love to see the info on the H30.  I remember when they were advertising it 
years ago.  

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:35 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed


Anyone that wanted what Tony sent me, please ask again so I can forward 
it to you.  I have deleted those emails.  I did look at the wayback machine for 
alpha omega labs, as Marshall suggested, and found their H3o information.  But 
I dodn't know if in the 2 years they have updated it so will compare what Tony 
sent me to that one later on this evening.  At one point they could not sell 
H3o in the US, then when they went to s. America the started making it again, 
and I ordered it, along with some tinctures.

At the time the h3o and the cansema came from SA and later the 
tinctures came from here in the US.  So they have a US distributor, but was--at 
that time--also sending things from SA, things not allowed to be sold in the US 
I guess.  Now apparently they are not even being allowed to send stuff from SA 
anymore, as we are being denied access to the SA site!!!  And here I thought 
only China censored the Internet!

If anyone figures out a way around this, I would love to 'take it for a 
spin' and report back here what I can see.

Samala,
Renee   




---Original Message---

Okay, can somebody come up with SIMPLE instructions for us so Renee can
try browsing the site using an offshore proxy and see what she's not
being allowed to see from inside the US?

That'd be a fun experiment and a useful skill for us all to develop.
I'd love to hear her report...
   
  
   

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Jonathan B. Britten]

This is similar to the current site as accessed from outside the USA.


On Thursday, Sep 16, 2010, at 04:52 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:

As far as I can tell she is seeing what I am seeing.  Just the product 
page.  You can see what their site looked like 2 years ago here: 
http://web.archive.org/web/20080804114224/http://www.altcancer.com/


And if they are doing anything different outside the US you can often 
use this trick.  Google altcancer.com, then click on the cached copy 
in the listing. That will be what Google got when they spidered it 
from the US.


Marshall

M. G. Devour wrote:
That's probably why you and Tony can access the alpha site and we 
can't.




Jon wrote:


Japan.



Okay, can somebody come up with SIMPLE instructions for us so Renee 
can try browsing the site using an offshore proxy and see what she's 
not being allowed to see from inside the US?


That'd be a fun experiment and a useful skill for us all to develop. 
I'd love to hear her report...


Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Jonathan B. Britten]

It may that altcancer made a deal with the authorities to keep certain 
information off the site in order to be able to vend the product.


I don't know; it's just speculation.



On Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010, at 23:34 Asia/Tokyo, Renee wrote:

Well, maybe it's banned here in the US, as he's back in prison now.  
I've tried every which way to get in, and can't.  Even on another 
computer.  

 
Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
Hi Renee,
I can access that from here, South Africa.
 


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Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[cking001]

Go to the wayback machine:
http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html

Enter www.altcancer.com

This what you want?

Chuck
When in doubt, do what the President does, guess


On 9/15/2010 10:52:13 AM, Renee (gaiac...@gmail.com) wrote:
> That's probably why you and Tony can access the alpha site and we can't.
> 
> If someone could check and see if they still have all the info on the H3o,
> and copy that for me, I would appreciate it. I bought H3o when they
> brought it back (it was gone for a while) but
> didn't get around to copying the health info on it--because I stupidly 
> thought it would always be there and I'd
> 'get it later' I should have known better. sigh
> 
> Samala,
> Renee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---Original Message---
> 
> Japan.


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Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[jaxi]

I'll have to check that out from home.  My government work computer blocked
the site.

*arches eyebrow*

Jaxi

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:37 PM,  wrote:

> How about TOR?
> They use out of country servers.
> http://www.torproject.org/
>
>Chuck
>
> When grasping at straws, any straw will do.
>
> On 9/15/2010 10:19:48 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote:
> > > That's probably why you and Tony can access the alpha site and we
> can't.
> >
> >
> > Jon wrote:
> > > Japan.
> >
> > Okay, can somebody come up with SIMPLE instructions for us so Renee can
> > try browsing the site using an offshore proxy and see what
> > she's not
> > being allowed to see from inside the US?
> >
> > That'd be a fun
> > experiment and a useful skill for us all to develop.
> > I'd love to hear her report...
> >
> > Be well,
> >
> > Mike D.
> >
> > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> > [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> > [Speaking only for myself...   ]
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RE: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[cking001]

How about TOR?
They use out of country servers.
http://www.torproject.org/

Chuck

When grasping at straws, any straw will do.

On 9/15/2010 10:19:48 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote:
> > That's probably why you and Tony can access the alpha site and we can't.
> 
> 
> Jon wrote:
> > Japan.
> 
> Okay, can somebody come up with SIMPLE instructions for us so Renee can
> try browsing the site using an offshore proxy and see what
> she's not
> being allowed to see from inside the US?
> 
> That'd be a fun
> experiment and a useful skill for us all to develop.
> I'd love to hear her report...
> 
> Be well,
> 
> Mike D.
> 
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
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RE: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Renee]

Anyone that wanted what Tony sent me, please ask again so I can forward it
to you.  I have deleted those emails.  I did look at the wayback machine for
alpha omega labs, as Marshall suggested, and found their H3o information. 
But I dodn't know if in the 2 years they have updated it so will compare
what Tony sent me to that one later on this evening.  At one point they
could not sell H3o in the US, then when they went to s. America the started
making it again, and I ordered it, along with some tinctures.

At the time the h3o and the cansema came from SA and later the tinctures
came from here in the US.  So they have a US distributor, but was--at that
time--also sending things from SA, things not allowed to be sold in the US I
guess.  Now apparently they are not even being allowed to send stuff from SA
anymore, as we are being denied access to the SA site!!!  And here I thought
only China censored the Internet!

If anyone figures out a way around this, I would love to 'take it for a spin
 and report back here what I can see.

Samala,
Renee   

 

 
---Original Message---
 
Okay, can somebody come up with SIMPLE instructions for us so Renee can
try browsing the site using an offshore proxy and see what she's not
being allowed to see from inside the US?
 
That'd be a fun experiment and a useful skill for us all to develop.
I'd love to hear her report...
 

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Renee]

Will do.

Thanks Tony. 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
Hi Renee,
I sent you three files. Sitemap and the H03 page and another.
I have to go now  Please copy that to those that requested it from me on the
site.
 

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Tony Moody]

Hi Renee, 
I sent you three files. Sitemap and the H03 page and another. 
I have to go now  Please copy that to those that requested it from me on the 
site. 

I'm gone out of here.,
Tony

On 15 Sep 2010 at 9:52, Renee wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - bl

> 
> That's probablywhy you and Tony can access the alpha site and we can't.
> 
> If someone could check and see if they still have all the info on the
> H3o, and copy that for me, I 
> would appreciate it. I bought H3o when they brought it back (it was gone
> for a while) but didn't 
> get around to copying the health info on it--because I stupidly thought
> it would always be there 
> and I'd 'get it later' I should have known better. sigh 
> 
> Samala, 
> Renee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---Original Message--- 
> 
> Japan. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Marshall Dudley]

As far as I can tell she is seeing what I am seeing.  Just the product 
page.  You can see what their site looked like 2 years ago here: 
http://web.archive.org/web/20080804114224/http://www.altcancer.com/


And if they are doing anything different outside the US you can often 
use this trick.  Google altcancer.com, then click on the cached copy in 
the listing. That will be what Google got when they spidered it from the US.


Marshall

M. G. Devour wrote:

That's probably why you and Tony can access the alpha site and we can't.



Jon wrote:
  

Japan.



Okay, can somebody come up with SIMPLE instructions for us so Renee can 
try browsing the site using an offshore proxy and see what she's not 
being allowed to see from inside the US?


That'd be a fun experiment and a useful skill for us all to develop. 
I'd love to hear her report...


Be well,

Mike D.

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[mdev...@eskimo.com]
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Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[jaxi]

Ohhh ... I wanna do that too.  So if you figure out how please pass the info
along.  I find it exceedingly annoying to be censored and limited like this.

Jaxi

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:24 AM, M. G. Devour  wrote:

> > That's probably why you and Tony can access the alpha site and we can't.
>
> Jon wrote:
> > Japan.
>
> Okay, can somebody come up with SIMPLE instructions for us so Renee can
> try browsing the site using an offshore proxy and see what she's not
> being allowed to see from inside the US?
>
> That'd be a fun experiment and a useful skill for us all to develop.
> I'd love to hear her report...
>
> Be well,
>
> Mike D.
>
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
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RE: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[M. G. Devour]

> That's probably why you and Tony can access the alpha site and we can't.

Jon wrote:
> Japan.

Okay, can somebody come up with SIMPLE instructions for us so Renee can 
try browsing the site using an offshore proxy and see what she's not 
being allowed to see from inside the US?

That'd be a fun experiment and a useful skill for us all to develop. 
I'd love to hear her report...

Be well,

Mike D.

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RE: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Lisa]

Yes.., I think several of us would like that info :-)

  _  

From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:52 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

 


That's probably why you and Tony can access the alpha site and we can't.

 

If someone could check and see if they still have all the info on the H3o,
and copy that for me, I would appreciate it.  I bought H3o when they brought
it back (it was gone for a while) but didn't get around to copying the
health info on it--because I stupidly thought it would always be there and
I'd 'get it later'  I should have known better.  sigh

 

Samala,

Renee 

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

Japan.

 

 



 

 

 

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Renee]

Nope, even an educational web site talking about medicinal uses of products
cannot be made by you if you sell the products.  In some cases, you are not
even allowed to link to an educational site you do not own!!!  It's getting
to be Hitler's Germany over here, as far as health information goes.

A lady I know owns a neem company and they made her take the medicinal info
down about neem.  So she linked to a NON-us site about it (which she did not
own), and they made her take that link down, too.  She complied with what
they 'required' though there's no law about it--simply because she did not
want the harassment they are willing to meet out, and she knows that one way
or another they would eventually shut her down if she did not comply.  

Same way as they (FDA/FBI) went and kidnapped the owner of the alpha labs
from south America and hustled him back to the states for more prison time.

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 The can, however, set up an educational website.

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Renee]

That's probably why you and Tony can access the alpha site and we can't.

If someone could check and see if they still have all the info on the H3o,
and copy that for me, I would appreciate it.  I bought H3o when they brought
it back (it was gone for a while) but didn't get around to copying the
health info on it--because I stupidly thought it would always be there and I
d 'get it later'  I should have known better.  sigh

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
Japan.
 
 

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Renee]

John, our site map here in the US on the herbhealers.com site only refers
back to the sales pages.  Clicking each item does bring up a bit more
information but nothing at all like the old alpha labs site.  Plus,
previously I had purchased H3o from them.  That is no longer available I see
  If I search for it, all that comes up is the toothpaste.  It seems the big
bottles of straight H3o are no longer available.

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
You may wish to check with the company, and also contact the Electronic
Freedom Frontier if you think the site is being blocked or censored.
 
  

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Renee]

Well, maybe it's banned here in the US, as he's back in prison now.  I've
tried every which way to get in, and can't.  Even on another computer.  

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
Hi Renee,
I can access that from here, South Africa.
 

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Tony Moody]

Hi Renee,
I can access that from here, South Africa. 

OK,
Tony

On 14 Sep 2010 at 19:22, Renee wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - bl

> 
> Nope. Every time I type in www.altcancer.com all I get is their product
> sales page. Wonder why?I've also typed in www.alphaomegalabs.com which
> also switches me to the product sales page. I cannot access the
> information site. 
> 
> Are you in the US? 
> 
> Samala, 
> Renee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---Original Message--- 
> 
> 
> I can access the complete site at altcancer.com 
> 
> Could your access by restricted by your service provider, or somewhere
> higher up the net? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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FIRST PART:

Introductory
(Primarily for new visitors / those unfamiliar with our work, 
philosophy, products, etc.)


* Welcome _ (AO Labs' purpose / philosophy / focus of our work)
* FAQ _ (Frequently Asked Questions)
* Suppression of Cancerolytic Herbs _ (Why some of the most amazing 
herbal discoveries over the last 150 years have been systematically 
suppressed, and the large body of evidence that supports the claim. 
Contains references to our patron saint, Dr. Jonathan Hartwell.)
* Impossible Dream _ (Why The Cancer Industry Is Committed To Not 
Finding a Cure, and If They Do Run Across One, Suppressing It!)
* Supplement vs. "Treatment": A Primer in Product Claims (So is 
there any difference between a supplement, an adjunct, a treatment, or 
a cure? There IS, but our response may surprise you.)
* Search Engine _ (Search engine to our entire site; just enter 
keyword - examines all HTML (text) files - contains tips on results 
page)
* Video Gallery _ (Contains access to video files related to 
company activities: testimonials, movies, interviews, etc. -- much of 
which is still under construction)
* Privacy Policy _ (What measures we take to ensure the privacy of 
our customers)



Communications
(How to contact us, includes specialized pages for user communications 
/ your comments)


* Email _ (General purpose / say anything you want)

* Meditopia® (Written by AO Labs' Founder, Greg Caton, contains a 
history of Alpha Omega Labs -- plus an extensive history on the 
discovery, patent filings, and shameful suppression of this highly 
effective healing modality . . . many suppressed formulas and healing 
techniques provided . . . and the road we must take, as a species, to 
keep legitimate, effective healing techniques alive, in a world of 
Elitists intent on using 'orthodox medicine' as a medium for 
financially enslaving the general public . . . [trademark filing] )
* Testimonial / Anecdotal Submissions _ (Where users give us their 
testimonials or anecdotal comments in connection with the use of Alpha 
Omega products; contains "permissions" settings, so use this page if 
for testimonial purposes)
* Testimonials _ (Comments from our users. The Cansema testimonial 
page is the only well developed user comment page. Others are in the 
middle of construction at this writing. Smaller numbers of user 
comments can be found on individual product pages (below), but are not 
yet organized by type. This is very much a work in progress.)


  o Cansema
Human Use. (1997 to Present - dozens of interesting stories 
from users like you).

  o Cansema - Veterinarian.
  o Bloodroot Paste - (in progress)

* The Ashwin - (Our Monthly Zine - See current and back issues.)

* Chat Room (A small room where visitors can talk to each other, 
and to members of our staff when they are online. Hours are posted as 
to when the next "session" will be held - moderated either by a guest 
practitioner or one of our own staffers. From Sept., 2003 to May 9, 
2009, this page was inoperable. It has just been reactivated.)



The Products
(Below, you'll find descriptions on all products we have made for the 
public. The list includes products made prior to the infamous FDA raid 
of September, 2003. To see our current product list, visit our store 
options page. None of our three stores contain customized products we 
make for the medical community or the products we make in various 
countries that are only available by prescription. Listings below are 
alphabetical. Availability: Those product names preceded by an open 
circle are historic. Those preceded by a solid black dot are currently 
in stock.)


* Agaricus Capsules (ABM) mushroom, extract
* Agaricus Drops
* Ajo Té
* Aloe Vera Acemannan
* Andrographis [ in-depth ]
* Anorex
* Anti-Plague
* AO III Toothpaste
* AO Chlorite
* AO Chima Matiku
* AO Bone Builder
* AO Heart Drops
* AO Natural Suppositories
  (Suppositories -- made naturally)
* AO Oleander Graviola Blend
* Apricot Seeds, Blenheim
* AquaMarine Life Force
* Artemis (Wormwood extracts)
* Ayurvedic Formulas
* Beta 1-3d Glucan
* Bloodroot Paste
* "Bloodroot" Toothpaste
* Body Fat Analyzer (Vitalio)
* Calendula Ointment
* Cansema Black Topical Salve
* Cansema Capsules
* Cansema Tonic I | Tonic III
* CanSupport | Bundles
* CanSupport Bundles
* CanSupport Capsules
* Chickweed Ointment
* Choo-choo-wáso
* Clean Colon (psyllium)
* Co-Q-10
* Coral Calcium
* Daibutsu Hi-Protein Soy Jerky
* Dewormer, 'Old Amish'
* Ellagic Acid (from Meeker Raspberry extract)
* Emag+ Experimental Plasma Frequency Generator
* Emu Oil
* Enchanted Ruins Healing Clays
* Essex Botanical (essiac)
* Flax (AO Bioenergized Flaxseed)
* Gotas ("GS") Drops
* H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide bathing therap

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Jonathan B. Britten]

SECOND PART:

SECOND PART OF ACCESSIBLE ALTCANCER.COM  LIST





"Ailment" Pages
(This section introduces users to the traditional indications or 
ailments for which our ethnobotanically derived products have been used 
- including uses for which our current research is focused. Comments 
made on these pages should not, in the absence of recommendations made 
by your professional health care practitioner, be taken as advice that 
any of the products below are intended for use as treatment or cure for 
any disease. Alpha Omega Labs' products are intended to be used as 
adjuncts or nutritional support to the drug regimen recommended by your 
physician.)


* Acne
* Addiction, nicotine
* ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder)
* Allergies / hayfever
* Alzheimer's Disease
* Anemia
* Anxiety
* Arteriosclerosis
* Arthritis
* Asthma
* Athlete's Foot
* Bronchitis
* Cancer
* Cholesterol
* Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
* Cirrhosis
* Claudication, Intermittent
* Cold, Common
* Colitis
* Conjunctivitis
* Constipation
* Coronary (incl. ischemia, arteriosclerosis)
* Cystitis
* Diabetes
* Diarrhea / Dysentery
* Diverticulosis
* Dysmenorrhea
* Dyspepsia
* Eczema
* Epilepsy
* Fibrocystic Breast Disease
* Fever
* Fungus
  o Athlete's Foot (tinea pedis)
  o Jock Itch (tinea crucis)
  o Nail (incl. fingernail, toenail)
  o Ringworm (dermatophytosis)
  o Tinea, Various
* Gallstones
* Gingivitis
* Gout
* Heart Disease
* Heartburn
* Headache
* Hemorrhoids
* Herpes
* High Blood Pressure
* HIV / AIDS
* Hypothyroidism
* Impotence
* Insomnia
* Kidney Stones
* Memory Loss
* Menopausal Symptoms
* Moles
* Opthalmia (incl. "pink eye" or conjunctivitis)
* Osteoporosis
* PMS
* Psoriasis
* Ringworm
* Sinusitis
* Skin Cancer
* Strokes
* Tonsillitis
* Ulcers
* Vaginitis
* Varicose Veins
* Whooping Cough (pertussis)
* Warts


Ordering Online / Warranty / Returns

* Order Form _ (Leads to our Order Form, contains "Status" 
statement in case there's a problem)
* Alternative Ordering Instructions _ (If you are using AOL or 
WebTV as your browser platform, don't like using your credit card 
online, or are otherwise having problems ordering)
* Exempt Countries . . . ("We ship to every country on earth, 
except for . . . " Those countries we will not ship products to and the 
reasons why . . . )
* Shipping Instructions _ (Covers our shipping policies and 
procedures. If you're concerned about the cost of shipping, or curious 
about how we charge for it, read this page)
* Warranty _ (Our guarantee to everyone who purchases from Alpha 
Omega Labs)
* Refund Request _ (To improve our own customer service performance 
we request that customers fill out this short form if they decide to 
return a product. It takes less than five minutes to fill it out and 
click "Send Message" to send it via our site)


Home Page -- Order


On Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010, at 10:46 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten 
wrote:




On Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010, at 09:42 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten 
wrote:


You may wish to check with the company, and also contact the 
Electronic Freedom Frontier if you think the site is being blocked or 
censored.


From the herbhealers.com  sitemap I can see and access all the 
following.   I am breaking the list into two parts:






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Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Jonathan B. Britten]

On Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010, at 09:42 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten 
wrote:


You may wish to check with the company, and also contact the 
Electronic Freedom Frontier if you think the site is being blocked or 
censored.


From the herbhealers.com  sitemap I can see and access all the 
following.   I am breaking the list into two parts:






Introductory
(Primarily for new visitors / those unfamiliar with our work, 
philosophy, products, etc.)


* Welcome _ (AO Labs' purpose / philosophy / focus of our work)
* FAQ _ (Frequently Asked Questions)
* Suppression of Cancerolytic Herbs _ (Why some of the most 
amazing herbal discoveries over the last 150 years have been 
systematically suppressed, and the large body of evidence that 
supports the claim. Contains references to our patron saint, Dr. 
Jonathan Hartwell.)
* Impossible Dream _ (Why The Cancer Industry Is Committed To Not 
Finding a Cure, and If They Do Run Across One, Suppressing It!)
* Supplement vs. "Treatment": A Primer in Product Claims (So is 
there any difference between a supplement, an adjunct, a treatment, or 
a cure? There IS, but our response may surprise you.)
* Search Engine _ (Search engine to our entire site; just enter 
keyword - examines all HTML (text) files - contains tips on results 
page)
* Video Gallery _ (Contains access to video files related to 
company activities: testimonials, movies, interviews, etc. -- much of 
which is still under construction)
* Privacy Policy _ (What measures we take to ensure the privacy of 
our customers)



Communications
(How to contact us, includes specialized pages for user communications 
/ your comments)


* Email _ (General purpose / say anything you want)

* Meditopia® (Written by AO Labs' Founder, Greg Caton, contains a 
history of Alpha Omega Labs -- plus an extensive history on the 
discovery, patent filings, and shameful suppression of this highly 
effective healing modality . . . many suppressed formulas and healing 
techniques provided . . . and the road we must take, as a species, to 
keep legitimate, effective healing techniques alive, in a world of 
Elitists intent on using 'orthodox medicine' as a medium for 
financially enslaving the general public . . . [trademark filing] )
* Testimonial / Anecdotal Submissions _ (Where users give us their 
testimonials or anecdotal comments in connection with the use of Alpha 
Omega products; contains "permissions" settings, so use this page if 
for testimonial purposes)
* Testimonials _ (Comments from our users. The Cansema testimonial 
page is the only well developed user comment page. Others are in the 
middle of construction at this writing. Smaller numbers of user 
comments can be found on individual product pages (below), but are not 
yet organized by type. This is very much a work in progress.)


  o Cansema
Human Use. (1997 to Present - dozens of interesting 
stories from users like you).

  o Cansema - Veterinarian.
  o Bloodroot Paste - (in progress)

* The Ashwin - (Our Monthly Zine - See current and back issues.)

* Chat Room (A small room where visitors can talk to each other, 
and to members of our staff when they are online. Hours are posted as 
to when the next "session" will be held - moderated either by a guest 
practitioner or one of our own staffers. From Sept., 2003 to May 9, 
2009, this page was inoperable. It has just been reactivated.)



The Products
(Below, you'll find descriptions on all products we have made for the 
public. The list includes products made prior to the infamous FDA raid 
of September, 2003. To see our current product list, visit our store 
options page. None of our three stores contain customized products we 
make for the medical community or the products we make in various 
countries that are only available by prescription. Listings below are 
alphabetical. Availability: Those product names preceded by an open 
circle are historic. Those preceded by a solid black dot are currently 
in stock.)


* Agaricus Capsules (ABM) mushroom, extract
* Agaricus Drops
* Ajo Té
* Aloe Vera Acemannan
* Andrographis [ in-depth ]
* Anorex
* Anti-Plague
* AO III Toothpaste
* AO Chlorite
* AO Chima Matiku
* AO Bone Builder
* AO Heart Drops
* AO Natural Suppositories
  (Suppositories -- made naturally)
* AO Oleander Graviola Blend
* Apricot Seeds, Blenheim
* AquaMarine Life Force
* Artemis (Wormwood extracts)
* Ayurvedic Formulas
* Beta 1-3d Glucan
* Bloodroot Paste
* "Bloodroot" Toothpaste
* Body Fat Analyzer (Vitalio)
* Calendula Ointment
* Cansema Black Topical Salve
* Cansema Capsules
* Cansema Tonic I | Tonic III
* CanSupport | Bundles
* CanSupport Bundles
* CanSupport Capsules
* Chickweed Ointment
* Choo-choo-wáso
* Clean Colon (psyllium)
* Co-Q-10
* Coral Calcium
* Daibutsu Hi-Pr

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Jonathan B. Britten]

You may wish to check with the company, and also contact the Electronic 
Freedom Frontier if you think the site is being blocked or censored.


From the herbhealers.com  sitemap I can see and access all the 
following:



Introductory
(Primarily for new visitors / those unfamiliar with our work, 
philosophy, products, etc.)


* Welcome _ (AO Labs' purpose / philosophy / focus of our work)
* FAQ _ (Frequently Asked Questions)
* Suppression of Cancerolytic Herbs _ (Why some of the most amazing 
herbal discoveries over the last 150 years have been systematically 
suppressed, and the large body of evidence that supports the claim. 
Contains references to our patron saint, Dr. Jonathan Hartwell.)
* Impossible Dream _ (Why The Cancer Industry Is Committed To Not 
Finding a Cure, and If They Do Run Across One, Suppressing It!)
* Supplement vs. "Treatment": A Primer in Product Claims (So is 
there any difference between a supplement, an adjunct, a treatment, or 
a cure? There IS, but our response may surprise you.)
* Search Engine _ (Search engine to our entire site; just enter 
keyword - examines all HTML (text) files - contains tips on results 
page)
* Video Gallery _ (Contains access to video files related to 
company activities: testimonials, movies, interviews, etc. -- much of 
which is still under construction)
* Privacy Policy _ (What measures we take to ensure the privacy of 
our customers)



Communications
(How to contact us, includes specialized pages for user communications 
/ your comments)


* Email _ (General purpose / say anything you want)

* Meditopia® (Written by AO Labs' Founder, Greg Caton, contains a 
history of Alpha Omega Labs -- plus an extensive history on the 
discovery, patent filings, and shameful suppression of this highly 
effective healing modality . . . many suppressed formulas and healing 
techniques provided . . . and the road we must take, as a species, to 
keep legitimate, effective healing techniques alive, in a world of 
Elitists intent on using 'orthodox medicine' as a medium for 
financially enslaving the general public . . . [trademark filing] )
* Testimonial / Anecdotal Submissions _ (Where users give us their 
testimonials or anecdotal comments in connection with the use of Alpha 
Omega products; contains "permissions" settings, so use this page if 
for testimonial purposes)
* Testimonials _ (Comments from our users. The Cansema testimonial 
page is the only well developed user comment page. Others are in the 
middle of construction at this writing. Smaller numbers of user 
comments can be found on individual product pages (below), but are not 
yet organized by type. This is very much a work in progress.)


  o Cansema
Human Use. (1997 to Present - dozens of interesting stories 
from users like you).

  o Cansema - Veterinarian.
  o Bloodroot Paste - (in progress)

* The Ashwin - (Our Monthly Zine - See current and back issues.)

* Chat Room (A small room where visitors can talk to each other, 
and to members of our staff when they are online. Hours are posted as 
to when the next "session" will be held - moderated either by a guest 
practitioner or one of our own staffers. From Sept., 2003 to May 9, 
2009, this page was inoperable. It has just been reactivated.)



The Products
(Below, you'll find descriptions on all products we have made for the 
public. The list includes products made prior to the infamous FDA raid 
of September, 2003. To see our current product list, visit our store 
options page. None of our three stores contain customized products we 
make for the medical community or the products we make in various 
countries that are only available by prescription. Listings below are 
alphabetical. Availability: Those product names preceded by an open 
circle are historic. Those preceded by a solid black dot are currently 
in stock.)


* Agaricus Capsules (ABM) mushroom, extract
* Agaricus Drops
* Ajo Té
* Aloe Vera Acemannan
* Andrographis [ in-depth ]
* Anorex
* Anti-Plague
* AO III Toothpaste
* AO Chlorite
* AO Chima Matiku
* AO Bone Builder
* AO Heart Drops
* AO Natural Suppositories
  (Suppositories -- made naturally)
* AO Oleander Graviola Blend
* Apricot Seeds, Blenheim
* AquaMarine Life Force
* Artemis (Wormwood extracts)
* Ayurvedic Formulas
* Beta 1-3d Glucan
* Bloodroot Paste
* "Bloodroot" Toothpaste
* Body Fat Analyzer (Vitalio)
* Calendula Ointment
* Cansema Black Topical Salve
* Cansema Capsules
* Cansema Tonic I | Tonic III
* CanSupport | Bundles
* CanSupport Bundles
* CanSupport Capsules
* Chickweed Ointment
* Choo-choo-wáso
* Clean Colon (psyllium)
* Co-Q-10
* Coral Calcium
* Daibutsu Hi-Protein Soy Jerky
* Dewormer, 'Old Amish'
* Ellagic Acid (from Meeker Raspberry extract)
* Emag+ Experimental Plasma 

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[jaxi]

I am also in the us and can only access the store ... but I did notice each
item has a fair amount of info attached.  I also noticed the changed the
name of their salve too, after complaining the name was trademarked as
theirs.  Unless I didn't follow that convo right.

Jaxi

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:31 PM, needling around wrote:

>  I'm in the US and I have the same thing happening.  Perhaps they are
> setting up a separate website as they are not allowed to make claims for
> what they sell.  The can, however, set up an educational website.
> PT
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Renee 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
>
>Nope.  Every time I type in www.altcancer.com all I get is their
> product sales page.  Wonder why?  I've also typed in
> www.alphaomegalabs.com which also switches me to the product sales page.
> I cannot access the information site.
>
> Are you in the US?
>
> Samala,
> Renee
>
>
>
>
> *---Original Message---*
>
>
> I can access the complete site at altcancer.com
>
> Could your access by restricted by your service provider, or somewhere
> higher up the net?
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Japan.


On Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010, at 09:22 Asia/Tokyo, Renee wrote:

Nope.  Every time I type in www.altcancer.com all I get is their 
product sales page.  Wonder why?  I've also typed in 
www.alphaomegalabs.com which also switches me to the product sales 
page.  I cannot access the information site.

 
Are you in the US?
 
Samala,
Renee 



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Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[needling around]

I'm in the US and I have the same thing happening.  Perhaps they are setting up 
a separate website as they are not allowed to make claims for what they sell.  
The can, however, set up an educational website.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:22 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed


Nope.  Every time I type in www.altcancer.com all I get is their 
product sales page.  Wonder why?  I've also typed in www.alphaomegalabs.com 
which also switches me to the product sales page.  I cannot access the 
information site.

Are you in the US?

Samala,
Renee 




---Original Message---


I can access the complete site at altcancer.com

Could your access by restricted by your service provider, or somewhere
higher up the net?

   
  
   

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Renee]

Nope.  Every time I type in www.altcancer.com all I get is their product
sales page.  Wonder why?  I've also typed in www.alphaomegalabs.com which
also switches me to the product sales page.  I cannot access the information
site.

Are you in the US?

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
I can access the complete site at altcancer.com
 
Could your access by restricted by your service provider, or somewhere
higher up the net?
 
 

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I can access the complete site at altcancer.com

Could your access by restricted by your service provider, or somewhere 
higher up the net?




On Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010, at 08:49 Asia/Tokyo, Renee wrote:




Do you know that www.altcancer.com all that information, is gone?  
When you type it in, now all you get is the store. 

 
Samala,
Renee 



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Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Renee]

Do you know that www.altcancer.com all that information, is gone?  When you
type it in, now all you get is the store.  

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
It would be wonderful if Potter's company is able and willing to gather
the extensive testimonials and photographic evidence provided by
altcancer.com.The resources on that site are really remarkable.
 

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Jonathan B. Britten]

A quick follow-up:   looking more closely at Bevan Potter's page,   he 
claims, in an undated letter,  to have decided to do the right thing:


http://www.bevanpotter.com/Cansema_abandon.html

Good for him, if he follows up.

His letter sounds sincere, and IF his products really work, more power 
to him, and indeed to all who sell effective skin-cancer remedies.


He's quite right that the basic formula is essentially in the public 
domain, though clearly he and Caton alike have set out to earn a living 
from combining and retailing these ingredients.


It would be wonderful if Potter's company is able and willing to gather 
the extensive testimonials and photographic evidence provided by 
altcancer.com.The resources on that site are really remarkable.


Whatever actions are taken against any retailers, people will be able 
to make their own salves, fortunately.   There are several recipes 
online, and the retail products list their ingredients on the labels.


*

Here is the entire letter from B. Potter:

 Cansema Name Change


After more then five years of producing Centreforce Cansema Black 
Salve, we have decided to abandon the name of “Cansema” in our products.


There are several problems for us with the Cansema name embedded in our 
products, the banning of Cansema by the FDA and Customs in the US, the 
banning of Cansema by the TGA for Human use In Australia and the 
freezing of our PayPal account until all buttons with the Cansema name 
were deleted from our web sites.


Other problems came as a surprise when the owners of Alpha Omega Labs, 
Greg and Cathryn Caton, (after they commenced reproduction of their 
Cansema products from Ecuador), decided to indulge in slanderous 
accusations about me and the owner of another web site, (Elaine 
Hollingsworth), who, like many others, are referring people to us. 
These insults came because we used the name “Cansema” on our products 
and information from Alpha Omega Labs on our web site, which was the 
aftermath of when we were selling their products in Australia. A letter 
of request would have been enough for us to complete the change which 
was already under way.


The false accusations come as a surprise because many customers were 
referred to us from the office of Alpha Omega Labs over the period of 
time that Greg was in Jail, as many of our customers would testify. 
Because there was nothing being produced by Alpha Omega Labs for about 
five years and nobody knew if there was going to ever be, many people 
around the world now use our products and remain loyal to us because of 
their effectiveness with health problems regardless of the name on the 
label.


However, we all make mistakes, in Greg’s own oracles he has made many 
grave errors of judgement in his lifetime and this is just another. 
Regardless of the trivial disagreement of the name on a label, 
containing a jar of salve, of which the basic formula has been known 
for centuries, we are pushing the same barrow.


The barrow we push in the alternative health world is to expose big 
pharma, enlighten the public about natural methods of healing and/or 
provide products which are proven to work. In western countries, this 
activity comes at the risk of being victimised, jailed and losing 
everything you own. Being harrased by authoritise is the risk we take 
but we don't need to give them a hand by publishing trivial labeling 
disagreements in public.


Nevertheless, Greg Caton’s contribution to the health of many people, 
including my own health and more importantly the contribution to 
humanity from information on his web site has been enormous and should 
be visited by everybody who wants to regain their health.



Bevan Potter


*








On Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010, at 08:16 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten 
wrote:


The salient point is that Cancema is a trade name for a particular 
product.   Centreforce uses that trade name.   It's obviously a 
misleading business practice.


The current site makes this perfectly clear:

http://health.centreforce.com/health/cansemaorder.html

I find this highly objectionable.

Many competitors can produce their own remedies and market them under 
whatever name they wish, but it is wrong to use the trade name of 
another company.


Potter could call his product "Centreforce Salve" or something else.   
The salves he sells are not Cancema.  That's quite simple.


Altcancer.com is beyond honorable in offering refunds to purchasers of 
falsely labeled "Cancema" products.Again, if the owner of 
Centreforce were really determined to be honoroable in his business 
dealings, he could call his product anything but Cancema.


As Greg Caton of altcancer.com has been imprisoned again, he'll not be 
able to deal with such problems himself.His wife runs the 
operation on her own for the time being.

















On Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010, at 16:11 Asia/Tokyo, Rowena wrote:

I totally reject the "false cansema" claim in re

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Jonathan B. Britten]

The salient point is that Cancema is a trade name for a particular 
product.   Centreforce uses that trade name.   It's obviously a 
misleading business practice.


The current site makes this perfectly clear:

http://health.centreforce.com/health/cansemaorder.html

I find this highly objectionable.

Many competitors can produce their own remedies and market them under 
whatever name they wish, but it is wrong to use the trade name of 
another company.


Potter could call his product "Centreforce Salve" or something else.   
The salves he sells are not Cancema.  That's quite simple.


Altcancer.com is beyond honorable in offering refunds to purchasers of 
falsely labeled "Cancema" products.Again, if the owner of 
Centreforce were really determined to be honoroable in his business 
dealings, he could call his product anything but Cancema.


As Greg Caton of altcancer.com has been imprisoned again, he'll not be 
able to deal with such problems himself.His wife runs the operation 
on her own for the time being.

















On Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010, at 16:11 Asia/Tokyo, Rowena wrote:

I totally reject the "false cansema" claim in respect of Centreforce, 
but thankyou, Jonathan, for your good intent in "warning" me about the 
company. 


In fact, I went to the altcancer site quite some time ago to make a 
purchase in order to support and honour its founder in his renewed 
business life, but when I saw what was written there I left the site 
and decided  not to do business there.


When he was in prison, who thought he would ever be able to do 
business again?  But some "kept the flag flying" and produced the 
black salve.  OK, maybe in hindsight using the Cansema name was a 
mistake, but it was honouring the "memory" of who and what had gone 
before, believing that the Cansema empire was destroyed.


The fact is that the Centreforce "Cansema" salve worked, and worked 
well.


When he got out of prison and picked up the business again, he not 
only complained, he vilified.  It was a long time before he withdrew 
his Centreforce accusations from his website (if he has).  In the 
meantime, Centreforce had been in touch but were ignored, from memory.


I wish him well, but I don't want to do business with hotheads.  I'm 
sorry he's hysterical, but it's not my fault and I don't need my blood 
pressure affected by reading what he has to say and how he says it (or 
said it, when I visited his site, which I don't propose doing again).


I absolutely oppose the "naming and shaming" of Centreforce in his 
lists.  I had been familiar with the story of Bevan Potter for some 
years, and why he went into the business of making this salve.  I 
might add that in Queensland when the cockies (farmers) get a skin 
cancer, they just put cansema on it.  They are not specifiying a 
brand, they are just calling an  anti-cancer black salve cansema.  
Centreforce black salve DOES work.  We are witness to that.  And Bevan 
Potter honoured the memory and achievements of the altcancer guy in 
writing and even in naming the salve.  That is just what it was called 
over there, any such salve with those ingredients.  Potter wasn't 
taking the credit himself.


I was as surprised as anyone - and glad, in fact - when this person 
was let out of jail and went back into business.  He may well have had 
reason to be angry with people he knew who had done him wrong.  I 
question the wisdom of spreading his complaints across the net, but 
it's his life.  But as far as I am aware, he refused for a very, very 
long time to enter into dialogue with Bevan  Potter or remove the 
accusations he was making.  This story of polite letters is not 
historical as far as I am aware.


About any other company, I don't know.  I am here to say only that in 
the case of Centreforce Salve, as produced by Bevan Potter of 
Queensland, the salve is effective.  The intent was honourable, and 
based on Potter's own life experience and enthusiasm.


And I still won't be doing business with the "original" maker, even 
though he does offer some things I am very interested in.  He blotted 
his human being copybook too well.  I'm sorry for that,  but that sort 
of talk makes me ill, and I don't propose letting flamers do that if I 
can help it.


Rowena

On 14/09/2010 7:30 AM, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:

From Altcancer.com  website:



Fake Product Compensation  Program Announced

The success of AO Lab products in the alternative health care 
community is well-established. (A Google search for Cansema® yields 
over 9,000 pages . . . it takes several hours just to read our four 
web pages of customer testimonials connected to Cansema®).
There is no success that does not attract opportunistic imitators. The 
legal attack against AO Labs by the FDA in 2003 attracted several such 
imitators. Because Cansema® has been in use since we created it in 
1991 and we are the holder of the U.S. trademark, we sent polite 
letters to various violators to cease and desist in usi

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Rowena]

 I totally reject the "false cansema" claim in respect of Centreforce, 
but thankyou, Jonathan, for your good intent in "warning" me about the 
company.


In fact, I went to the altcancer site quite some time ago to make a 
purchase in order to support and honour its founder in his renewed 
business life, but when I saw what was written there I left the site and 
decided  not to do business there.


When he was in prison, who thought he would ever be able to do business 
again?  But some "kept the flag flying" and produced the black salve.  
OK, maybe in hindsight using the Cansema name was a mistake, but it was 
honouring the "memory" of who and what had gone before, believing that 
the Cansema empire was destroyed.


The fact is that the Centreforce "Cansema" salve worked, and worked well.

When he got out of prison and picked up the business again, he not only 
complained, he vilified.  It was a long time before he withdrew his 
Centreforce accusations from his website (if he has).  In the meantime, 
Centreforce had been in touch but were ignored, from memory.


I wish him well, but I don't want to do business with hotheads.  I'm 
sorry he's hysterical, but it's not my fault and I don't need my blood 
pressure affected by reading what he has to say and how he says it (or 
said it, when I visited his site, which I don't propose doing again).


I absolutely oppose the "naming and shaming" of Centreforce in his 
lists.  I had been familiar with the story of Bevan Potter for some 
years, and why he went into the business of making this salve.  I might 
add that in Queensland when the cockies (farmers) get a skin cancer, 
they just put cansema on it.  They are not specifiying a brand, they are 
just calling an  anti-cancer black salve cansema.  Centreforce black 
salve DOES work.  We are witness to that.  And Bevan Potter honoured the 
memory and achievements of the altcancer guy in writing and even in 
naming the salve.  That is just what it was called over there, any such 
salve with those ingredients.  Potter wasn't taking the credit himself.


I was as surprised as anyone - and glad, in fact - when this person was 
let out of jail and went back into business.  He may well have had 
reason to be angry with people he knew who had done him wrong.  I 
question the wisdom of spreading his complaints across the net, but it's 
his life.  But as far as I am aware, he refused for a very, very long 
time to enter into dialogue with Bevan  Potter or remove the accusations 
he was making.  This story of polite letters is not historical as far as 
I am aware.


About any other company, I don't know.  I am here to say only that in 
the case of Centreforce Salve, as produced by Bevan Potter of 
Queensland, the salve is effective.  The intent was honourable, and 
based on Potter's own life experience and enthusiasm.


And I still won't be doing business with the "original" maker, even 
though he does offer some things I am very interested in.  He blotted 
his human being copybook too well.  I'm sorry for that,  but that sort 
of talk makes me ill, and I don't propose letting flamers do that if I 
can help it.


Rowena

On 14/09/2010 7:30 AM, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:

From Altcancer.com  website:



Fake Product Compensation  Program Announced

The success of AO Lab products in the alternative health care 
community is well-established. (A Google search for Cansema® yields 
over 9,000 pages . . . it takes several hours just to read our four 
web pages of customer testimonials connected to Cansema®).
There is no success that does not attract opportunistic imitators. The 
legal attack against AO Labs by the FDA in 2003 attracted several such 
imitators. Because Cansema® has been in use since we created it in 
1991 and we are the holder of the U.S. trademark, we sent polite 
letters to various violators to cease and desist in using our web 
pages, copyrighted material, and trademarks.

Our pleas have been ignored.
The most serious aspect of these violations is that the imitations 
don't work as well, if they work at all. They are not the original 
product. For a period of four years, we attempted to work with the FDA 
to put a stop to the fraud. We even sent them a small sampling of the 
hundreds of complaint letters we received.

They did nothing.
Because of the adulteration and misbranding involved in the McAdams 
operation -- whose primary sites are Bloodroot Products.com and 
RisingSun Health.com -- we can only assume that this is an FDA 
renegade operation is to permit, foster, and protect illegal product. 
By working less effectively, they will hopefully convince people that 
alternatives are inferior to mainstream pharmaceuticals. This would 
make perfectly good sense and is consistent with their overall modus 
operandi, as documented in numerous books by Lynne McTaggart, Leonard 
Horowitz, John Abramson, Joseph Mercola, John Morgenthaler -- to name 
just a few.
Please see our Compensation for Fake Product page if 

Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Jonathan B. Britten]

From Altcancer.com  website:



Fake Product Compensation  Program Announced

The success of AO Lab products in the alternative health care community 
is well-established. (A Google search for Cansema® yields over 9,000 
pages . . . it takes several hours just to read our four web pages of 
customer testimonials connected to Cansema®).
There is no success that does not attract opportunistic imitators. The 
legal attack against AO Labs by the FDA in 2003 attracted several such 
imitators. Because Cansema® has been in use since we created it in 1991 
and we are the holder of the U.S. trademark, we sent polite letters to 
various violators to cease and desist in using our web pages, 
copyrighted material, and trademarks.

Our pleas have been ignored.
The most serious aspect of these violations is that the imitations 
don't work as well, if they work at all. They are not the original 
product. For a period of four years, we attempted to work with the FDA 
to put a stop to the fraud. We even sent them a small sampling of the 
hundreds of complaint letters we received.

They did nothing.
Because of the adulteration and misbranding involved in the McAdams 
operation -- whose primary sites are Bloodroot Products.com and 
RisingSun Health.com -- we can only assume that this is an FDA renegade 
operation is to permit, foster, and protect illegal product. By working 
less effectively, they will hopefully convince people that alternatives 
are inferior to mainstream pharmaceuticals. This would make perfectly 
good sense and is consistent with their overall modus operandi, as 
documented in numerous books by Lynne McTaggart, Leonard Horowitz, John 
Abramson, Joseph Mercola, John Morgenthaler -- to name just a few.
Please see our Compensation for Fake Product page if you have purchased 
product from the following or any other companies illegally using our 
trademarks, Cansema®, CanSupport (TM), Alpha Omega Labs (TM), or our 
domain names: altcancer.com (TM), herbhealers.com (TM), or 
alphaomegalabs.com (TM).


BloodrootProducts.com
RisingSunProducts.com
AltCancerCream.com
Jennifer Wilson (Australia)
George S. Ackerson
(FDA informant)
Health.Centreforce.com



On Monday, Sep 13, 2010, at 15:43 Asia/Tokyo, Rowena wrote:


 Presumably this was squamous cell?  Anyway, we treated successfully
with a black salve now called Centreforce from Queensland, but same 
ingredients as Cansema, and called cansema at the time.  Lasts for 
years, and if anything appears again, can be treated again very > easily.



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Re: CS>help needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed

[Rowena]

 Presumably this was squamous cell?  Anyway, we treated successfully 

with a black salve now called Centreforce from Queensland, but same 
ingredients as Cansema, and called cansema at the time.  Lasts for 
years, and if anything appears again, can be treated again very easily.


Many other salves and plant juices also used successfully by others.  A 
friend of mine also successfully treated melanoma herself, as well as 
many other skin cancers, the legacy of her youth in the sun


She also treated her breast cancer with black salve and it
came away OK.
She had uterine cancer, and had just the tumour taken away, with no
other treatment.
She felt pain in areas which were later identified by a naturopath as
the lymphatic glands the operated area would be using; she applied black
salve to these areas and in due course the pain went away.  One skin cancer 
treated on her face proved to be growing into an
artery, and when it shrank the artery leaked blood and she had to attend
hospital.

Chickweed apparently does not leave a big scar, but while it is working
it oozes and stinks.
You gather the chickweed from your garden and use the sap.


I just found where I wrote it up for someone once:

Treating Ca with Black Salve or Chickweed:

When I was away in the city recently, I was given a lift a few times by
a lady I shall call Kate.  In conversation she mentioned a friend who
had breast cancer, but who had wasted precious time being treated by a
"natural" guy who turned out to be a charlatan.

I asked whether this lady had tried herbs, or whether it might be worth
researching black salve.

"Oh, Black Salve," said Kate, in a meaningful tone of voice.

"Yes," I said.  "Some women have even treated their own breast cancer
with it."

"I did," said Kate.

"What?"

"I did."

It turned out that Kate had spent a lot of time in the sun on a boat in
New Zealand in her youth, and in recent years suffered skin cancers on
her face - basal cell, squamous cell, and even melanoma.  She showed me
the scars.  The melanoma scar was on her neck, under the chin near her
ear.  She pointed to a scar on her temple.  "This one started bleeding,"
she said, "and I ended up having to go to hospital.  The roots were in
the temporal artery.  They kept asking me what I had been doing, but I
didn't tell them.  I just said I was under the care of a dermatologist."

The breast cancer she treated just a few months ago, in March of this
year (2009).  She applied the black salve, a ring formed, and the cancer
started to come out. She just applied it topically; she didn't do
anything to get it to the lump.  And yes, it was painful.  While this
was happening she fell and broke her leg in three places (she was still
hobbling with a stick).  The breast cancer was more painful than that.
One day it came out, in all its tentacled glory, and she said it was
moving even though it was out of her.  I didn't have time to ask many
questions, as we got to our destination, so I don't know whether the
cancer pulsated or moved in some other way, but I hope to be able to ask
her later on.  I did ask if she minded me sharing this information.  She
was willing.

She said that in future she wouldn't use black salve on the face because
of the big scar it leaves, but she would use chick weed. (Jethro Kloss
in "Back to Eden" says it is one of the best remedies for external
application to ... skin diseases, tumors, cancer, and all kinds of
wounds.
http://middlepath.com.au/plant/Chickweed_Stellaria-media_Caryophyllaceae.php
also lists chickweed as being used in treating cancer.)  Here in
Australia, however, one has to wait until winter before it grows.  She
says the action is quite different with the chickweed - I think she said
it kind of oozes away.

She originally heard of black salve through someone who ordered it from
America to treat cancer in a dog.  She was able to source it locally,
though that person no longer makes it.

She said that prior to treating her breast cancer the armpit on the left
side was always smelly.  After the cancer came out it stopped being smelly.

As if all that wasn't enough, she'd also had ovarian cancer.  She'd had
certain symptoms for some time, but the doctors didn't come up with
anything.  Then one day she saw a TV program, where women were told that
if they had certain symptoms they should ask their doctor whether it
might be ovarian cancer.  She did so, and was given an ultrasound.  She
did have ovarian cancer.  She told the doctor she only wanted the lump
taken away, not any lymph glands, and didn't want radiation, chemo, or
blood transfusion.  The surgeon was very unpleasant, but the
anaesthetist told her, "I'm the person who keeps you alive, and I
guarantee you won't be given anything you don't want."

The lump was taken away.  She found later that she had pain in three
places on the same side.  She applied the black salve to those places,
and in time the pain went away.  I can't remember whether she said there
was any ooze.  Later