RE: CSCayenne Tincture for garden spray

2011-05-12 Thread Deborah Gerard
Hijust boil a tablespoon to a qt.of filtered water let cool...strainand 
put in a spray bottle. I add a little CS for a preservtive too.   Debbie :)
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From: Saralou slped...@gmail.com
Subject: CSCayenne Tincture for garden spray

Deborah,

Please tell me about your cayenne tincture garden pest spray.

Is it an alcohol, vinegar, dmso tincture?  A water infusion?

If alcohol, vinegar, dmso--do you dilute it with water?  How much?

Something's destroying my chard.

Thanks.  Saralou

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Subject:RE: CSThank you...
Date:   Thu, 12 May 2011 07:31:33 PDT
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I use it as a spray in my garden nothing will eat your veges with this 
spray on


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I think a very strong tincture can be made too (as opposed to using the
powder).

Lisa






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Re: CSCayenne tincture

2006-09-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
The salt in salvia reacts with the ionic portion of the CS producing
silver chloride, which has very low solubility, an is very light
sensitive.  Over time it reduces to silver metal, usually plating out on
the colloidal portion, until the colloidal particles are too large to
stay suspended.

If you mix it with vinegar, then the ionic portion becomes silver
acetate, which is quite soluble, and not so apt to plate out on the
colloidal particles.

Marshall

Pat wrote:

 I thought someone warned once to never drink out of
 the bottle of CS because it would cause it to fall out
 of suspension if it is contaminated with anything.
 So, I can't imagine how you could mix it with vinegar
 or other food and have it stay ok for any period of
 time.

Pat

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Re: CSCayenne tincture

2006-09-04 Thread Ode Coyote



  On certain days, backwash will make a batch go purple or red, other 
days, not, depending on what you ate.
 Add CS and vinegar together and you get highly soluble, stable, silver 
acetate. [A patented germ fighter ]


ode


At 03:25 AM 9/4/2006 +, you wrote:

Now this is interesting to me can cs be contaminated if you drink out of 
the same container it is in?...thanks debbie


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 I thought someone warned once to never drink out of
 the bottle of CS because it would cause it to fall out
 of suspension if it is contaminated with anything.
 So, I can't imagine how you could mix it with vinegar
 or other food and have it stay ok for any period of
 time.

 Pat


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Re: CSCayenne Tincture Methods

2006-09-03 Thread Raine

And how!
Silly me, after brewing my cayenne tincture for a full month, I 
squeezed the coffee filter I was straining the tincture through with my 
BARE HANDS! (I have no idea what I was thinking...)
It took me a minute to figure out why my hands were on fire! And then it 
took 4 hours of ice, milk, cold water, and whatever else would work 
until the pain subsided. I will NEVER make that mistake again!


I was surprised to see someone (Bob?) suggest using DMSO and Cayenne 
tincture in conjunction. I find DMSO makes me itch somethin' fierce from 
the histamine release, and cayenne burns my skin, so to combine the two 
without some major dilution is slighty scary to me. BUT I am intrigued. 
I'd like to hear more of what one experiences with this combo.


-Raine

Ed Kasper wrote:

As an after thought

after chopping peppers, etc be careful with where your
fingers go,

The best antidotes to any burning are dairy products such as
milk, yoghurt and ice cream.

  




Re: CSCayenne tincture

2006-09-03 Thread Staya Udanvti Bob Butler
The best cayenne tincture I've found with a Naturopath Doctor to back it up 
is:

http://organicsolutionsstore.com/

 Cayenne Tincture 1oz.   $24.00

This is the one that has saved many heart patients lives.

Love
Bob
Adageyudi
Staya Udanvti 



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RE: CSCayenne Tincture Methods

2006-09-03 Thread Dan Nave
Definitely leave in the seeds.  Most of the heat is in the seeds.
 
Dan
 



From: Teri Johnston [mailto:t...@welshspringers.com]
Sent: Sat 9/2/2006 8:13 AM
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Subject: Re: CSCayenne Tincture Methods



Since I have 20 Habenaro plants, 6 cayenne, and 1 Caribbean red I
have plenty to make a tincture. My question is do you leave the seeds
in when you grind in the blender???

TIA
Teri



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Re: CSCayenne Tincture Methods

2006-09-03 Thread Acmeair
The active principle that causes the heat in chile peppers is a 
crystalline alkaloid generically called /capsaicin/. It is produced by 
glands at the junction of the placenta and the pod wall. The capsaicin 
spreads unevenly throughout the inside of the pod and is concentrated 
mostly in the placental tissue.jim


Dan Nave wrote:


Definitely leave in the seeds.  Most of the heat is in the seeds.

Dan




From: Teri Johnston [mailto:t...@welshspringers.com]
Sent: Sat 9/2/2006 8:13 AM
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Subject: Re: CSCayenne Tincture Methods



Since I have 20 Habenaro plants, 6 cayenne, and 1 Caribbean red I
have plenty to make a tincture. My question is do you leave the seeds
in when you grind in the blender???

TIA
Teri



 




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Re: CSCayenne tincture

2006-09-03 Thread Pat
I thought someone warned once to never drink out of
the bottle of CS because it would cause it to fall out
of suspension if it is contaminated with anything. 
So, I can't imagine how you could mix it with vinegar
or other food and have it stay ok for any period of
time.

   Pat


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Re: CSCayenne tincture

2006-09-03 Thread debbiegerard99
Now this is interesting to me can cs be contaminated if you drink out of the 
same container it is in?...thanks debbie

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 I thought someone warned once to never drink out of 
 the bottle of CS because it would cause it to fall out 
 of suspension if it is contaminated with anything. 
 So, I can't imagine how you could mix it with vinegar 
 or other food and have it stay ok for any period of 
 time. 
 
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RE: CSCayenne tincture

2006-09-03 Thread Ed Kasper
I think they may have been referring to cross contamination.
That could happen to anything that is opened and say in a
water bottle, is drunk and some of the fluid runs back into
the bottle after being in the mouth. Back flow.  Also
possible with medicine droppers. Where the eye dropper
squirts the medicine out but the person is not careful and
lets the pipette come in contact with some surface and
brings it back into the bottle.  The European shaker bottle
address some of those concerns.

Otherwise I would not see any problems,

CS may fall out of suspension, or worse bond with some
element within vinegar 0r alcohol or cayenne.
I wonder if there is a test that could check that out.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
 Santa Cruz, CA.




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Subject: Re: CSCayenne tincture


I thought someone warned once to never drink out of
the bottle of CS because it would cause it to fall out
of suspension if it is contaminated with anything.
So, I can't imagine how you could mix it with vinegar
or other food and have it stay ok for any period of
time.

   Pat


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Re: CSCayenne Tincture Methods

2006-09-02 Thread Teri Johnston
Since I have 20 Habenaro plants, 6 cayenne, and 1 Caribbean red I 
have plenty to make a tincture. My question is do you leave the seeds 
in when you grind in the blender???


TIA
Teri


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Re: CSCayenne Tincture Methods

2006-09-02 Thread Wayne Fugitt

Morning Teri,

 At 08:13 AM 9/2/2006, you wrote:
Since I have 20 Habenaro plants, 6 cayenne, and 1 Caribbean red I have 
plenty to make a tincture. My question is do you leave the seeds in when 
you grind in the blender???


   Yes, I used the seeds, core, and even the stem ends on some.
Others where the stem and end looked a bit abnormal, these were cut off.

The amazing thing about the hot peppers is the tissue thin walls, when 
compared with Bell and Banana peppers.  Strange indeed.


I would mix the peppers if I had the variety.

Without any scientific basis, I think there are some ingredients in peppers 
that are good, other than the heat and the part that burns.


Would like to see a chemical breakdown on peppers, if anyone has any 
information or links to this.


I have always been a bit skeptical on most herbs because I feel they have 
been inadequately studied.   Plus they are grown around the world in many 
soil types and a variety of conditions, drought, heavy rainfall, low sun, 
high sunlight, and you name it as to the growing conditions.   Heavy 
rainfall will result in lower concentration of nutrients, flavors, and 
minerals.   Low water makes greater concentrations.   Poor nutrients in the 
soil has its effects also.


Where does this leave us?   Guessing as to quality.

Wayne



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Re: CSCayenne Tincture Methods

2006-09-02 Thread Teri Johnston

At 10:27 AM 9/2/2006, you wrote:



I would mix the peppers if I had the variety.


I forgot that I also have a  hot lemon pepper plant also so could 
combine all of these.  Sure should be hot :-)



Without any scientific basis, I think there are some ingredients in 
peppers that are good, other than the heat and the part that burns.


They are loaded with Vit C, and antioxidants like beta carotene

I have always been a bit skeptical on most herbs because I feel they 
have been inadequately studied.   Plus they are grown around the 
world in many soil types and a variety of conditions, drought, heavy 
rainfall, low sun, high sunlight, and you name it as to the growing 
conditions.   Heavy rainfall will result in lower concentration of 
nutrients, flavors, and minerals.   Low water makes greater 
concentrations.   Poor nutrients in the soil has its effects also.


I grow many of my own medicinal herbs so know the soil they are grown 
in.It is hard to determine the quality when you buy, but when I 
do I purchase from a reputable organic herb company myself.  Herbs 
have century long use by many people which is better than any 
clinical trials the drug companies use.  It is seldom you hear of 
someone dying from ingesting herbs compared to pharmaceuticals.


Teri
who is sipping a hot cup of habanaro and spearmint tea.  



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RE: CSCayenne Tincture Methods

2006-09-02 Thread Ed Kasper
Can a tech who operates a gas chromatograph qualify as an
expert in medicinal herbs because he or she can tell you how
the ppm of compound X in this or that herb sample that
crosses the lab  bench?

For example in markers and standardization of extracts.
Biochemical markers are required for pharmaceutical
extractions of single herbs and formulas. You absolutely do
not care what those compounds do pharmacologically or
physiologically.  They are markers, not active
ingredients, by definition. You do a chemical assay and
project the three dimensional peaks onto your computer
screen.  You need three dimensional peaks to see if the
peaks are clean and without other internal peaks in the
topography.  You look for overall consistency in the
relative amplitudes of the peaks to assure yourself that
this current batch of extract has been carried out in the
same manner as all of the previous batches.  There is no
biological assay or clinical assay involved in any of this.
The company will simply identify what is the most
appropriate for them, in means of production. For example
hypericum (the marker associated with hypercium) in the herb
St John's Wort was identified as the ingredient. The
commercial interests created value by percentage of those
markers. Concentrated and standardized to those markers,
people in Europe who were prescribed this phyto-drug by
allopathic medical doctors became sick and then tried to
ban the natural herb St John's Wort as dangerous. Same as Ma
Huang (ephedrine) and a host of other phyto-drugs.

My answer is do what you do. mix and tincture the herbs as
you outlined below. The overall effectiveness may vary
season to season. Maybe need a little bit more or a little
bit less, but the safety and effectiveness will be known,
this knowledge can be passed on, and we can learn from our
experience.

just my 2 cents
Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Santa Cruz, CA.



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From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwfug...@fugitt.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 7:27 AM
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Subject: Re: CSCayenne Tincture Methods


Morning Teri,

  At 08:13 AM 9/2/2006, you wrote:
Since I have 20 Habenaro plants, 6 cayenne, and 1 Caribbean
red I have
plenty to make a tincture. My question is do you leave the
seeds in when
you grind in the blender???

Yes, I used the seeds, core, and even the stem ends on
some.
Others where the stem and end looked a bit abnormal, these
were cut off.

The amazing thing about the hot peppers is the tissue thin
walls, when
compared with Bell and Banana peppers.  Strange indeed.

I would mix the peppers if I had the variety.

Without any scientific basis, I think there are some
ingredients in peppers
that are good, other than the heat and the part that burns.

Would like to see a chemical breakdown on peppers, if anyone
has any
information or links to this.

I have always been a bit skeptical on most herbs because I
feel they have
been inadequately studied.   Plus they are grown around the
world in many
soil types and a variety of conditions, drought, heavy
rainfall, low sun,
high sunlight, and you name it as to the growing conditions.
Heavy
rainfall will result in lower concentration of nutrients,
flavors, and
minerals.   Low water makes greater concentrations.   Poor
nutrients in the
soil has its effects also.

Where does this leave us?   Guessing as to quality.

Wayne



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RE: CSCayenne Tincture Methods

2006-09-02 Thread Ed Kasper
You may have spoiled your peppers by attempting to dry them.
Need to keep the peppers from touching each other, or
anything else. Air needs to circulate to remove the
moisture. Low heat (95-100F, not in direct sunlight) is
preferred over high heat as the outside may dry but the
inside still contain moisture and eventually get mold on the
inside. Hanging peppers or threading them with string. Just
the heat from a oven's pilot light (gas) is all that is
needed. Plus a few days. The dried pepper should be
thoroughly dried.  Should be crisp and brittle.

You can tincture fresh cayenne. Fresh herbs are usually
tinctured at a 1:2 ratio. (dried herbs at 1:5) where one
part herb :equals 2 parts solvent
There are different opinions on using  alcohol, vinegar or
water and salt on preparing cayenne.  But drying cayenne or
other peppers have the same standard and procedure.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
 Santa Cruz, CA.



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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:09 AM
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Subject: CSCayenne Tincture Methods


Thanks to Dan, Kasper,
 and Everyone of the ideas on Cayenne

  Why is everyone so against a little alcohol?  A little
alcohol is good
for you.  Cayenne tincture should be made with alcohol. You
can make it
yourself with 80 proof vodka and cayenne or fresh (hot)
peppers.

The Everclear I had in stock was 180 proof ( 85 % ). I
had to purchase
one more bottle, $ 15.00 per fifth.  All they had was 180
proof.

In July  a few friends picked all their excess peppers and
gave them to
me.   I placed them in a greenhouse in metal pans for about
10 days.   The
idea was they would grind or chop better if dry.

I chopped the complete batch.  They were still too moist and
sticky to
grind into a powder or very small particles.

I simply placed this into pint jars and covered with
Everclear.
The jars were about 65 to 70 % full so I covered with the
Everclear.

A few days later the pepper material had swollen up a bit so
I made another
pint jar for a total of 4.  About then I read something
about 50 % alcohol
so I added about 2 ounces of distilled water instead of more
Everclear.

I also read brew times that ranged from 15 days to 60 days.
More confusion.  I also talked to a few people that has made
the Tincture
and got different data.

I left the jars on the cabinet and did in fact shake them
several times per
day.

After near 30 days, I did not detect the strength I wanted.
At this time, I
added 1 heaping TBS of Cayenne Powder to each jar.

At a later date, about 45 days, I still did not detect the
strength of the
bought Tincture so I added another heaping TBS of Cayenne
powder.

The total time is approaching 60 days now.  The strength is
getting better.

In the absence of an instrumentation test, I add a specific
number of drops
to 4 ounces of water and compare the taste and heat to the
bought Tincture.

The taste of the tincture I am making is not as strong in
flavor as the
purchased Tincture, but the heat and bite is getting close.

I am thinking of straining and bottling one pint after 60
days and may
leave the other 3 pints another few weeks.

I still feel my alcohol per cent is a bit high even after
adding a few
ounces of distilled water.

I may have done a few things differently if we had this
thread two months ago.

The cost of the Health Food Store Tincture is about $ 120.00
per
gallon.  The cost of the home brew Tincture is about  $ 6.00
per pint,
mostly the cost of Everclear.

Any ideas, suggestions, or criticism are welcome.
Next time, I may use all cayenne powder.  It is very
reasonably priced.

Wayne











   If
fresh peppers, cut them up and put in blender container,
fill empty
space with vodka and blend (just enough vodka to cover).
Put in a jar
and shake up every day for a week or so and then strain.
You can do the
same thing with the ground dried cayenne but you may need
to use a
different gage for filling with alcohol (add vodka to cover
and go above
the cayenne by one third of the volume for example, I mean
add more
vodka).  Make it strong.  Just don't be drinking more than
a couple of
droppers full at a time, or more than a shot...  ;-))

One MD (David Williams) is recommending drinking one or two
cups of
Irish coffee at the first sign of a heart attack...

Richard Schulze (I think it was) recounts a story of an
herbalist
throwing a pinch of cayenne in his own eye at the start of
a lecture to
prove that cayenne wouldn't harm the eye.  It didn't.  With
this in mind
and some experience using lesser doses of cayenne in an
eyewash I
decided to test the theory.  I threw a large pinch of
cayenne into my
eye.  I really wished I hadn't for about 20 minutes, it
really hurt.
After that the eye was perfectly fine.

Half vinegar and half alcohol is used to make a tincture of
lobelia.

Dan



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Sent: Wednesday, August 

RE: CSCayenne Tincture Methods

2006-09-02 Thread Ed Kasper
The Dispensatory of the United States of America.
Tinctura Capsici Concentrata is prepared by macerating 4
ounces of capsicum in 12 fluid ounces of rectified spirit
for 7 days; then filter.

King's American Dispensatory
A preparation made by adding 1/2 ounce of powdered capsicum
and 2 drachms of salt, to 1/2 pint each, of vinegar and
water

CLINICAL HERB MANUAL by MICHAEL MOORE
Capsicum (all)  Pods  (Cayenne)  1:5, 95% alcohol

Vinegar (in the form of acetic acid) is a classic and
respected solvent. Salt is often added to foods to retard
spoilage. Cayenne has a respectable percentage of oils which
may act as a preservative as well.

I have never seen cayenne spoil. Tabasco Sauce (vinegar +
salt) I have never seen mold on although I have seen the
color turn brownish from age.
I believe cayenne may be light sensitive.

You could also tincture in cayenne in Jack Daniels

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Santa Cruz, CA.

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Thanks Ed for the information on how to prepare cayenne.
I'd appreciate
hearing about the options using vinegar and water/salt for
tincturing.
I'm hoping a couple of non-alcohol quarts of such tincture
could be kept
in the fridge to prevent spoilage.

DByron



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Re: CSCayenne Tincture Methods

2006-09-02 Thread Staya Udanvti Bob Butler

Osiyo Teri!
Hello Teri!

Grind/chop the seeds and whole pepper together. The capsaicin resides in the 
veins and seeds.


Love
Bob
Adageyudi
Staya Udanvti


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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: CSCayenne Tincture Methods


Since I have 20 Habenaro plants, 6 cayenne, and 1 Caribbean red I have 
plenty to make a tincture. My question is do you leave the seeds in when 
you grind in the blender???


TIA
Teri


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RE: CSCayenne Tincture Methods

2006-09-02 Thread Ed Kasper
As an after thought

after chopping peppers, etc be careful with where your
fingers go,

The best antidotes to any burning are dairy products such as
milk, yoghurt and ice cream.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Santa Cruz, CA.


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Re: CSCayenne tincture

2006-09-02 Thread Deborah Gerard
I have ordered Lobelia tincture from Teetercreek and they are good people to 
deal with debbie

Hannah bloss...@bigpond.com wrote:  For those who can't see themselves 'brew' 
cayenne tincture at home, 
a place to buy this in a quality I have not come across before, and 
not after since I have been using theirs, 
is http://www.teetercreekherbs.com/. Potent stuff , reasonably 
priced. I wouldn't be without it.
Also can be ordered 
from http://secure.springvalleyherbs.com/catalog.php?itemID=1950

Hanneke ~ Australia


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Re: CSCayenne tincture

2006-09-02 Thread tom chick
Teetercreek Cayenne is great. Have been using it for a couple of years. Great 
people too. Tom