Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
You can also purchase bulk soy lecithin at any GNC store. Blessings Karen Conrad - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary try soy lecithin... Whole Foods in my area carries it, and they can order also. I bought some in the bulk section. Maybe a nutrition store? or a grocery that carries organic food? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
try soy lecithin... Whole Foods in my area carries it, and they can order also. I bought some in the bulk section. Maybe a nutrition store? or a grocery that carries organic food? On Sep 17, 2009, at 7:15 PM, Alvin Rose wrote: What product do you buy in a supermarket or health food store which provides the soy lecithin.. I have not found any to purchase..Any help would be appreciated.. A.R - Original Message - From: Gina Moore vegasmom...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: RE: FW: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary Thanks. Is the protocol I posted right? Do I just substitue the same amount of sodium ascorbate and you would ascorbic acid in the original version? Gina From: Melly Bag [mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:49 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: FW: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary Gina, After you dissolve lecithin and ascorbate in water, run them together in blender before pouring into ultrasonic cleaner. Melly --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Gina Moore vegasmom...@cox.net wrote: From: Gina Moore vegasmom...@cox.net Subject: RE: FW: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 1:02 PM Do you use the same amount of sodium ascorbate as you do ascorbic acid? Meaning if you use 1tbs of ascorbic acid you'd use 1tbs of sodium ascorbate? I really want to do this because I want as much Vit C in my system as I can get! And I need to make sure I do it right, of course. So the protocol would be: 1. Dissolve 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water 2. Dissolve 1 level tablespoon of SODIUM ASCORBATE powder in 1/2 cup of water. 3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turned the unit on Etc... Is that right? Thanks! Gina -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
I never got answers to these questions from a previous post. I'd like to know! :-) What is the recommended dose? I know that it was mentioned somewhere how much to take but I can't seem to find it again. I know that there's not really a limit on how much you can take according to what I've read, but what would be a realistic dose for most people? I guess what I want to know is if I make it in a 2cup cleaner, how long will that amount last? There are 5 people in my house, so if it will at least last a day, that would be ok. I just don't want to be making it 2-3 times a day! :-) Also, I assume DI (deionized) water acceptable to use instead of distilled? Thanks so much! Gina -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
If I understand this correctly, the following ratios would yield (percentages are very approximate): 1 part AA: 1part SB -- 50% sodium ascorbate, 50% sodium bicarbonate 2 parts AA: 1part SB -- 100% sodium ascorbate 3 parts AA: 1part SB -- 67% sodium ascorbate, 33% ascorbic acid (SB=sodium bicarbonate, AA=ascorbic acid) According to the folks at the vitamin C foundation forums, sodium ascorbate has advantages but so does ascorbic acid, so taking a combo makes sense to me. I like the idea of using the 3:1 ratio. Alan On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.com wrote: You have made an astute observation. 1 to 1 is the lowest ratio which yielded an acceptable combination productfor us. I should have made a comment to this effect. Actually, I do use 2 to 1 and sometimes 3 to 1just personal preference. ... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary Date : Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:17:22 -0500 From : Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com To : silver-list@eskimo.com Brooks, I'm curious why you recommend a 1:1 ratio of AA:BS for creating the sodium ascorbate. I did some googling and it seems most people recommend 2:1 for AA:BS. I found the following in the Vitamin C Foundation forums, which explains the 2:1 ratio: NaHCO3 + C6H8O6 -- NaC6H7O6 + H2CO3 One mole of sodium bicarbonate is 84 grams, and one mole of ascorbic acid is 176 grams. So, the correct (stoichiometric) ratio of sodium bicarbonate to ascorbic acid is 84/176 = 0.477. For example, it would take 477 milligrams of sodium bicarbonate to neutralize 1000 milligrams of ascorbic acid. Alan On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Brooks Bradley wrote: One simple, acceptable, method for accomplishing this conversion is to mix One Part ascorbic acid and One Part Sodium Bicarbonate together in distilled water (e.g. one teaspoon Ascorbic acid with One teaspoon Sodium bicarbonate in one cup of water). Stir well and allow to sit [usually about 45 to 60 seconds or until the spontaneous generation of bubbles stops) for a few moments. -- Alan Jones -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- Alan Jones
RE: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
So you don't have to 'make' the sodium ascorbate first? You can do it all together? Or am I misunderstanding? Gina _ From: paul catania [mailto:squigg...@embarqmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary DaddyBob and Group, I was having a lot of trouble in the beginning but my last 3 attempts have been successful. I bought the larger ultrasonic unit and so I placed 12 tablespoons of non-GM Lecithin granules into the blender along with 32 ounces of distilled water, and after blending, poured them into the unit. The tricky part is to then mix the 4 tablespoons of Ascorbic Acid and 6 teaspoons of Sodium Bicarbonate into the 16 ounces of distilled water without the mixture bubbling all over the place. I learned the hard way to mix it carefully by hand and to process about 1/3rd of it (first into the blender and then into the unit) at a time. I hope this helps, Paul - Original Message - From: rans...@atmc.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary Brooks- For those of us who are already doing this with an ultrasonic unit, and we are using L-Ascorbic Acid per your original instructions, should we now convert it to sodium ascorbate prior to encapsulation? Thanks, DaddyBob
Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
Dear Gina, Unless I'm wrong or misunderstanding, mixing the 4 tablespoons of Ascorbic Acid and 6 teaspoons of Sodium Bicarbonate into the 16 ounces of distilled water IS making the sodium ascorbate. I am by far not an expert on this, but I am starting another mix now. Perhaps others will chime in? Paul - Original Message - From: Gina Moore To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: RE: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary So you don't have to 'make' the sodium ascorbate first? You can do it all together? Or am I misunderstanding? Gina -- From: paul catania [mailto:squigg...@embarqmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary DaddyBob and Group, I was having a lot of trouble in the beginning but my last 3 attempts have been successful. I bought the larger ultrasonic unit and so I placed 12 tablespoons of non-GM Lecithin granules into the blender along with 32 ounces of distilled water, and after blending, poured them into the unit. The tricky part is to then mix the 4 tablespoons of Ascorbic Acid and 6 teaspoons of Sodium Bicarbonate into the 16 ounces of distilled water without the mixture bubbling all over the place. I learned the hard way to mix it carefully by hand and to process about 1/3rd of it (first into the blender and then into the unit) at a time. I hope this helps, Paul - Original Message - From: rans...@atmc.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary Brooks- For those of us who are already doing this with an ultrasonic unit, and we are using L-Ascorbic Acid per your original instructions, should we now convert it to sodium ascorbate prior to encapsulation? Thanks, DaddyBob
Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
Brooks, I'm curious why you recommend a 1:1 ratio of AA:BS for creating the sodium ascorbate. I did some googling and it seems most people recommend 2:1 for AA:BS. I found the following in the Vitamin C Foundation forums, which explains the 2:1 ratio: NaHCO3 + C6H8O6 -- NaC6H7O6 + H2CO3 One mole of sodium bicarbonate is 84 grams, and one mole of ascorbic acid is 176 grams. So, the correct (stoichiometric) ratio of sodium bicarbonate to ascorbic acid is 84/176 = 0.477. For example, it would take 477 milligrams of sodium bicarbonate to neutralize 1000 milligrams of ascorbic acid. Alan On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.comwrote: One simple, acceptable, method for accomplishing this conversion is to mix One Part ascorbic acid and One Part Sodium Bicarbonate together in distilled water (e.g. one teaspoon Ascorbic acid with One teaspoon Sodium bicarbonate in one cup of water). Stir well and allow to sit [usually about 45 to 60 seconds or until the spontaneous generation of bubbles stops) for a few moments. -- Alan Jones
Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
You have made an astute observation. 1 to 1 is the lowest ratio which yielded an acceptable combination productfor us. I should have made a comment to this effect. Actually, I do use 2 to 1 and sometimes 3 to 1just personal preference. However, as one raises the lecithin component volumebe prepared for an increasing excess appearing in the form of meniscus. In any case, nothing of a compromising nature will occur (at least that has been our experience). Also, consuming the meniscus forming lecithin has demonstrated to produce only positive results (this might not be the case, for individuals expressing an allergic reaction to lecithin). I do not desire to generate a controversy relative to phospholipids derived from parent soy materials.but, in 15 years of research with these we have not encountered a SINGLE individual we could confirm as a positive allergic reactor to lecithin (others may have experienced different results). We have, however, encountered a consequential number of subjects who have displayed allergic reaction! s (sometimes powerful) to a variety of soy food products. UNPROCESSED soybeans contain a variety of compounds not beneficial to the diet of certain animals---man included. e.g. If unprocessed soybeans are fed to poultry, digestive problems often manifest because of a compromising enzymewhich must be destroyed by elevated heat, before they can be beneficial as a large component of the food ration. By far, the greatest number (and these were not a large fraction of test subjectsless than 1%) of allergic reactions presented among athletes who were consuming large amounts of soy-derived protein products. These comments are simply that, comments, relating to some of our general research. I do not wish to generate argumentative confrontation over the merits or limitations of soy products in the human food/health chain. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary Date : Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:17:22 -0500 From : Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com To : silver-list@eskimo.com Brooks, I'm curious why you recommend a 1:1 ratio of AA:BS for creating the sodium ascorbate. I did some googling and it seems most people recommend 2:1 for AA:BS. I found the following in the Vitamin C Foundation forums, which explains the 2:1 ratio: NaHCO3 + C6H8O6 --> NaC6H7O6 + H2CO3 One mole of sodium bicarbonate is 84 grams, and one mole of ascorbic acid is 176 grams. So, the correct (stoichiometric) ratio of sodium bicarbonate to ascorbic acid is 84/176 = 0.477. For example, it would take 477 milligrams of sodium bicarbonate to neutralize 1000 milligrams of ascorbic acid. Alan On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Brooks Bradley <brooks76...@lycos.com>wrote: > > One simple, acceptable, method for accomplishing this conversion is to mix > One Part ascorbic acid and One Part Sodium Bicarbonate together in distilled > water (e.g. one teaspoon Ascorbic acid with One teaspoon Sodium bicarbonate > in one cup of water). Stir well and allow to sit [usually about 45 to 60 > seconds or until the spontaneous generation of bubbles stops) for a few > moments. > -- Alan Jones -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
Thank you for this Brooks. dee On 10 Sep 2009, at 22:09, Brooks Bradley wrote: I have not had available time in which to catch up on the various exchanges of the list membershipduring the past week or so, I believe I can offer a few comments that may be of valuefor those who are actually conducting research of their own. Someone made a comment about the feasibility of implementing kitchen blenders for achieving the emulsifying force in the encapsulation liposomalenomena. It is true, in fact, that a certain measure of ascorbate encapsulation will result from such activity (about 20% maximum, under ideal conditions, employing special measures to control foaming). We did, actually, evaluate this type process...early on, in our preliminary research on this phenomena, but abandoned it because of low efficiency and requirements for closer tolerances between the liquid components. This said, if there are list members actively engaged in attempts to reconcile a useful, low-end efficiency encapsulation.there are some modifications/ refinements they might considerto actually improve the encapsulation levels which might be acceptable (to them). The following comments might be of use to these individuals. First, the conversion of Ascorbic Acid into sodium ascorbate is recommended.
RE: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
Dear Daddybob, In answer to your question.although we have not, as yet, had scanning electron analysis run on any of the sodium ascorbate sampleslogic, alone, would dictate a very high probability that no contravening process has occurred. My personal preference is, for obvious reasons, to use sodium ascorbate as the vitamin C fraction, instead of ascorbic acid. There may, yet, appear some element which will require sole reliance upon ascorbic acid.but I doubt it. Best Regards, Brooks. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary Date : Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:11:55 -0400 From : rans...@atmc.net To : silver-list@eskimo.com Brooks- For those of us who are already doing this with an ultrasonic unit, and we are using L-Ascorbic Acid per your original instructions, should we now convert it to sodium ascorbate prior to encapsulation? Thanks, DaddyBob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
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Dear Brooks, Thank you again for this most valuable information. Your post was remarkably timely for me, as I just brought home my ultrasonic cleaner from the local Harbor Freight store and some granulated lecithin to begin experimenting with. I have a couple of jars of sodium ascorbate powder that I bought from Dr. Huggins a couple of years ago, and was just going to look up your past posts on this topic to see if it was appropriate to use instead of ascorbic acid, when you posted your comments. I am hopeful that the high serum levels of vitamin C achievable by this method will help with scavenging circulating mercury with a simple and easily maintained protocol. I used liposomal encapsulated vitamin C for a while after my dental revision, but the cost factor (not to mention absolutely hideous taste) eventually led me to stop using that product. I'm hoping that both difficulties will be relieved with this technique. Again, my sincerest thanks. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
Brooks- For those of us who are already doing this with an ultrasonic unit, and we are using L-Ascorbic Acid per your original instructions, should we now convert it to sodium ascorbate prior to encapsulation? Thanks, DaddyBob
Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
Pardon my ignorance, but I interpreted Brooks' post as suggesting that sodium ascorbate should be used with the blender method, but he didn't mention the ultrasonic method. Is sodium ascorbate preferred to ascorbic acid when using the ultrasonic method? Alan -- Alan Jones
Re: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary
DaddyBob and Group, I was having a lot of trouble in the beginning but my last 3 attempts have been successful. I bought the larger ultrasonic unit and so I placed 12 tablespoons of non-GM Lecithin granules into the blender along with 32 ounces of distilled water, and after blending, poured them into the unit. The tricky part is to then mix the 4 tablespoons of Ascorbic Acid and 6 teaspoons of Sodium Bicarbonate into the 16 ounces of distilled water without the mixture bubbling all over the place. I learned the hard way to mix it carefully by hand and to process about 1/3rd of it (first into the blender and then into the unit) at a time. I hope this helps, Paul - Original Message - From: rans...@atmc.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: CSLiposomal Vit. C: Ancillary Commentary Brooks- For those of us who are already doing this with an ultrasonic unit, and we are using L-Ascorbic Acid per your original instructions, should we now convert it to sodium ascorbate prior to encapsulation? Thanks, DaddyBob
