RE: CSRemoving biofilm
Yes, we're good. I'll admit I kinda blew my top. I'm with you on the crackpot ideas with MMS and that's where I was coming from too. I guess we collided on the same track. I was particularly bothered by a suggestion on one group the other day about nebulizing MMS. Although I'm still not anti-MMS, I've decided it's irresponsible of me to deny any longer what MMS did to me. That being said I'm not going to turn this into any more rant on my part. I'm done ranting for this year. Shouldn't be too hard since there's only 9 more days to go;) Bob -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRemoving biofilm Nah, I didn't mean you Bob. I was ranting 'cause I've been reading a lot of posts lately about people suggesting really crackpot ideas using MMS. MMS needs a LOT of respect and always some basic research. Sorry. We OK? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 12/22/2008 11:23 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRemoving biofilm
On Dec 23, 2008, at 5:28 AM, ransley wrote: That being said I'm not going to turn this into any more rant on my part. I'm done ranting for this year. Shouldn't be too hard since there's only 9 more days to go;) LOL me too... ;-) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRemoving biofilm / MMS dangers
Magnesium chloride absorbs water out of the air and melts. It is best to mix it with water and take it that way. Dan On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:50 PM, leslie leslie1...@windstream.net wrote: I am looking for a good type magnesium to take. What is this you took? Anyone with ideas. I have a magnesium chloride but think it is achemical as it is melting and I have muscle spasms with it. Leslie - Original Message - *From:* ransley rans...@atmc.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2008 6:33 PM *Subject:* RE: CSRemoving biofilm / MMS dangers Nenah- Early in my alternative turn I took H2O2 orally. It was burning (literally) infections out of me right and left, then one day it made me so sick I thought I would have to go to the ER. Never did that one again either. I do agree that small amounts of MMS will probably be OK. Nevertheless, it is not a healing agent and I have since found things that are, as I listed before. I just think we'll all be better off to urge people to use things that deal with infections without killing the host. Because of my experience, which brought me once again to the edge of the ER several times, I cannot in good conscience recommend MMS anymore. It is difficult to convey in words just how bad my problems were after taking MMS. At the time I said very little about it on any groups because I didn't want to worry my e-friends and I sure didn't want to get in any go-see-a-doctor arguments. I was scared! I couldn't walk 100' without stopping to rest and recover from the pain in my chest and arms. CoQ10 has most definitely been instrumental in my recovery. The plain bald fact is that I think it probably saved my life one day when my heart was very near stopping. Hawthorn has been a bit problematic for me. I have taken Hawthorn berry supplements with no discernible effect. I have soaked dried hawthorn berries in alcohol and eaten a couple of pounds of them with no real discernible effect. However I did have a very discernible effect from taking Cardi-Plant Pro which is a standardized hawthorn supplement made from the leaves and bark, not the berries. I think the makers of that product must know something the rest of us don't and I intend to get more of it. I've tried dozens of alternative substances to feed and nourish the heart. Cayenne kept me going but the effects are temporary. I disagree with Schulze's premise that cayenne can cure congestive heart disease, yet I still take it nearly every day. Strauss drops are heavy on the hot stuff but they have other things in there and I do intend to get some sometime. My latest victory with my heart comes from homemade Magnesium Bicarbonate Water and increased iodine; I am now taking orally both Magnascent and Lugol's and the results of all three of these things has been tremendous. I may not get to say much more about this for another week with all we have to do with family right now, but when I do get ready to write it up I'll post it here as well as some other groups. Daddybob -- *From:* Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net] *Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2008 4:23 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* RE: CSRemoving biofilm / MMS dangers Daddybob, Thank you again for sharing with us your unfortunate experience with MMS. The damage to your blood vessels reminds me of similar effects in people who receive hydrogen peroxide IVs. Such IVs must be done with great care, and by an experienced physician, as H2O2 can cause similar damage. Now I understand why, as they apparently are similar compounds. That said, small amounts of MMS may be okay for selected folks—indeed, I've heard glowing testimonials from some users—but obviously, it's not a magic bullet or a cure-all. Two very healing nutrients for the circulatory system and heart are Co Enzyme Q10 and Hawthorne Berries. Some people have had very good results with Strauss Heart Drops; you can Google it. Blessings to you, Nenah
RE: CSRemoving biofilm
Chuck- I thought you were around and listening/reading when I went through all my troubles with MMS. Who are you preaching to? I've had Humble's books from the start. I've done MMS right side up, upside down, backwards, forwards and sideways. I've tried hard not to cause a controversy about it and I really can't believe it's you saying this because you should remember what a time I had with it; you were active on both MMS groups at the time. I tried solving the problem at hand. It seemed to work, then I found out that my infection was coming back no matter how much MMS I took. MMS is dangerous. There, I said it, finally, and I'm not backing down from it. I will never recommend it to anyone and you should remember that I was as enthusiastic about it as anyone, about a year ago. There are better ways to deal with sickness. MUCH better ways. I'm done with MMS. Now I don't know what I'm going to do with the 2 kilos of sodium chlorite I have because I bought into he idea that the FDA was going to take it away. They don't have to. Too many people have wised up already. I'm still glad I tried it because of what it showed me, but I'm sure not glad of the damage it did to me. People take note: take MMS at your own risk, the risk of destroying your circulatory system. Daddybob No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 12/21/2008 3:08 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRemoving biofilm / MMS dangers
Daddybob, Thank you again for sharing with us your unfortunate experience with MMS. The damage to your blood vessels reminds me of similar effects in people who receive hydrogen peroxide IVs. Such IVs must be done with great care, and by an experienced physician, as H2O2 can cause similar damage. Now I understand why, as they apparently are similar compounds. That said, small amounts of MMS may be okay for selected folks-indeed, I've heard glowing testimonials from some users-but obviously, it's not a magic bullet or a cure-all. Two very healing nutrients for the circulatory system and heart are Co Enzyme Q10 and Hawthorne Berries. Some people have had very good results with Strauss Heart Drops; you can Google it. Blessings to you, Nenah -Original Message- From: ransley [mailto:rans...@atmc.net] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:27 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRemoving biofilm Chuck- I thought you were around and listening/reading when I went through all my troubles with MMS. Who are you preaching to? I've had Humble's books from the start. I've done MMS right side up, upside down, backwards, forwards and sideways. I've tried hard not to cause a controversy about it and I really can't believe it's you saying this because you should remember what a time I had with it; you were active on both MMS groups at the time. I tried solving the problem at hand. It seemed to work, then I found out that my infection was coming back no matter how much MMS I took. MMS is dangerous. There, I said it, finally, and I'm not backing down from it. I will never recommend it to anyone and you should remember that I was as enthusiastic about it as anyone, about a year ago. There are better ways to deal with sickness. MUCH better ways. I'm done with MMS. Now I don't know what I'm going to do with the 2 kilos of sodium chlorite I have because I bought into he idea that the FDA was going to take it away. They don't have to. Too many people have wised up already. I'm still glad I tried it because of what it showed me, but I'm sure not glad of the damage it did to me. People take note: take MMS at your own risk, the risk of destroying your circulatory system. Daddybob
RE: CSRemoving biofilm / MMS dangers
Nenah- Early in my alternative turn I took H2O2 orally. It was burning (literally) infections out of me right and left, then one day it made me so sick I thought I would have to go to the ER. Never did that one again either. I do agree that small amounts of MMS will probably be OK. Nevertheless, it is not a healing agent and I have since found things that are, as I listed before. I just think we'll all be better off to urge people to use things that deal with infections without killing the host. Because of my experience, which brought me once again to the edge of the ER several times, I cannot in good conscience recommend MMS anymore. It is difficult to convey in words just how bad my problems were after taking MMS. At the time I said very little about it on any groups because I didn't want to worry my e-friends and I sure didn't want to get in any go-see-a-doctor arguments. I was scared! I couldn't walk 100' without stopping to rest and recover from the pain in my chest and arms. CoQ10 has most definitely been instrumental in my recovery. The plain bald fact is that I think it probably saved my life one day when my heart was very near stopping. Hawthorn has been a bit problematic for me. I have taken Hawthorn berry supplements with no discernible effect. I have soaked dried hawthorn berries in alcohol and eaten a couple of pounds of them with no real discernible effect. However I did have a very discernible effect from taking Cardi-Plant Pro which is a standardized hawthorn supplement made from the leaves and bark, not the berries. I think the makers of that product must know something the rest of us don't and I intend to get more of it. I've tried dozens of alternative substances to feed and nourish the heart. Cayenne kept me going but the effects are temporary. I disagree with Schulze's premise that cayenne can cure congestive heart disease, yet I still take it nearly every day. Strauss drops are heavy on the hot stuff but they have other things in there and I do intend to get some sometime. My latest victory with my heart comes from homemade Magnesium Bicarbonate Water and increased iodine; I am now taking orally both Magnascent and Lugol's and the results of all three of these things has been tremendous. I may not get to say much more about this for another week with all we have to do with family right now, but when I do get ready to write it up I'll post it here as well as some other groups. Daddybob _ From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRemoving biofilm / MMS dangers Daddybob, Thank you again for sharing with us your unfortunate experience with MMS. The damage to your blood vessels reminds me of similar effects in people who receive hydrogen peroxide IVs. Such IVs must be done with great care, and by an experienced physician, as H2O2 can cause similar damage. Now I understand why, as they apparently are similar compounds. That said, small amounts of MMS may be okay for selected folks—indeed, I’ve heard glowing testimonials from some users—but obviously, it’s not a “magic bullet” or a “cure-all.” Two very healing nutrients for the circulatory system and heart are Co Enzyme Q10 and Hawthorne Berries. Some people have had very good results with Strauss Heart Drops; you can Google it. Blessings to you, Nenah
Re: CSRemoving biofilm / MMS dangers
I am looking for a good type magnesium to take. What is this you took? Anyone with ideas. I have a magnesium chloride but think it is achemical as it is melting and I have muscle spasms with it. Leslie - Original Message - From: ransley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: RE: CSRemoving biofilm / MMS dangers Nenah- Early in my alternative turn I took H2O2 orally. It was burning (literally) infections out of me right and left, then one day it made me so sick I thought I would have to go to the ER. Never did that one again either. I do agree that small amounts of MMS will probably be OK. Nevertheless, it is not a healing agent and I have since found things that are, as I listed before. I just think we'll all be better off to urge people to use things that deal with infections without killing the host. Because of my experience, which brought me once again to the edge of the ER several times, I cannot in good conscience recommend MMS anymore. It is difficult to convey in words just how bad my problems were after taking MMS. At the time I said very little about it on any groups because I didn't want to worry my e-friends and I sure didn't want to get in any go-see-a-doctor arguments. I was scared! I couldn't walk 100' without stopping to rest and recover from the pain in my chest and arms. CoQ10 has most definitely been instrumental in my recovery. The plain bald fact is that I think it probably saved my life one day when my heart was very near stopping. Hawthorn has been a bit problematic for me. I have taken Hawthorn berry supplements with no discernible effect. I have soaked dried hawthorn berries in alcohol and eaten a couple of pounds of them with no real discernible effect. However I did have a very discernible effect from taking Cardi-Plant Pro which is a standardized hawthorn supplement made from the leaves and bark, not the berries. I think the makers of that product must know something the rest of us don't and I intend to get more of it. I've tried dozens of alternative substances to feed and nourish the heart. Cayenne kept me going but the effects are temporary. I disagree with Schulze's premise that cayenne can cure congestive heart disease, yet I still take it nearly every day. Strauss drops are heavy on the hot stuff but they have other things in there and I do intend to get some sometime. My latest victory with my heart comes from homemade Magnesium Bicarbonate Water and increased iodine; I am now taking orally both Magnascent and Lugol's and the results of all three of these things has been tremendous. I may not get to say much more about this for another week with all we have to do with family right now, but when I do get ready to write it up I'll post it here as well as some other groups. Daddybob -- From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRemoving biofilm / MMS dangers Daddybob, Thank you again for sharing with us your unfortunate experience with MMS. The damage to your blood vessels reminds me of similar effects in people who receive hydrogen peroxide IVs. Such IVs must be done with great care, and by an experienced physician, as H2O2 can cause similar damage. Now I understand why, as they apparently are similar compounds. That said, small amounts of MMS may be okay for selected folks—indeed, I’ve heard glowing testimonials from some users—but obviously, it’s not a “magic bullet” or a “cure-all.” Two very healing nutrients for the circulatory system and heart are Co Enzyme Q10 and Hawthorne Berries. Some people have had very good results with Strauss Heart Drops; you can Google it. Blessings to you, Nenah
RE: CSRemoving biofilm
Nah, I didn't mean you Bob. I was ranting 'cause I've been reading a lot of posts lately about people suggesting really crackpot ideas using MMS. MMS needs a LOT of respect and always some basic research. Sorry. We OK? Chuck Practice safe algebra...use brackets! On 12/22/2008 2:27:29 PM, ransley (rans...@atmc.net) wrote: Chuck- I thought you were around and listening/reading when I went through all my troubles with MMS. Who are you preaching to? I've had Humble's books from the start. I've done MMS right side up, upside down, backwards, forwards and sideways. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 12/22/2008 11:23 AM
RE: CSRemoving biofilm
DADDYBOB: . . . Alas, my infection eventually became resistant to MMS and began to come back despite my increasing doses of MMS. . . . I do think that overuse of MMS will deplete vitamin C and other nutrients and cause oxidative damage. === Daddybob, Thank you for sharing this. I have had no personal experience with MMS, and always resisted using it for some reason. Now I think I know why. Blessings, Nenah
RE: CSRemoving biofilm
I thought we established a while ago that: MMS is an oxidant And should be used only long enough to solve the problem at hand. In other words, NOT as a daily supplement. If you are CONSTANTLY using MMS, you will age more quickly. That's why we take antioxidants like vitamin C, to combat the effects of oxidants. MMS is powerful stuff and requires more study than the average doorknob gives to pills and potions. GET HUMBLE'S BOOK Chuck PrettyBird,PrettyBird .. StupidHuman,StupidHuman On 12/21/2008 11:16:07 AM, Nenah Sylver (nenahsyl...@cox.net) wrote: DADDYBOB: . . . Alas, my infection eventually became resistant to MMS and began to come back despite my increasing doses of MMS. . . . I do think that overuse of MMS will deplete vitamin C and other nutrients and cause oxidative damage. === Daddybob, Thank you for sharing this. I have had no personal experience with MMS, and always resisted using it for some reason. Now I think I know why. Blessings, Nenah No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 12/21/2008 3:08 PM
RE: CSRemoving biofilm
They discuss removing biofilm from water systems using chlorine dioxide (MMS) or ozone. I thought that was interesting, as it could also apply to the mouth. Nenah- Keep in mind that I can't prove a word of this... Long story short: I started MMS in September '07 for a mild right upper toothache. In very short order, MMS was burning out a biofilm that stretched from the the top my my right sinuses and all through my right sinuses, down my right Eustachian tube and into the top right quadrant of my heart. I had no idea that it was there. Alas, my infection eventually became resistant to MMS and began to come back despite my increasing doses of MMS. Eventually I could not handle the nausea and I do think that overuse of MMS will deplete vitamin c and other nutrients and cause oxidative damage. I ended up with severe angina from it. I have since successfully used other protocols, most notably including lemon juice, iodine and DMSO to kill off this infection and to reclaim my circulatory system. My MMS experience is similar to my silver experience and to my experences with various electro-devices: initial success then failure. I'm not knocking any of them, they all bought me time while I continued living and learning. What I have discovered for myself is that all that is said by the followers of Bechamp appears to be true for me, that I could not get well until I treated the terrain correctly. For me that meant ions, vitamin C, iodine, magnesium, salt, various trace elements and minerals and of course good food. Also had to quit coffee. There's more but Christmas is closing in fast. Daddybob
