Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-30 Thread Deborah Gerard
One more question if I may...what kind of alfalfa tablets were they? What 
brand..thanks debbie

Dan Nave na...@comcast.net wrote:  Did he use the Sun powdered laundry 
detergent with colorsafe bleach or did he only use the alfalfa?

Dan



mborg...@att.net wrote:
 More information on my friend with morgellions.
 
 He followed the instructions but before getting into the tub he dissolved one 
 of the alfalfa tabs black spots, long fibers came from the tabs. He than put 
 25 tabs into the tub along with the laundry detergent,I cannot seem to 
 understand wheather the bugs came from him or not for the water was green as 
 he crushed them up before entering the tub, but the tub was loaded with black 
 specks and fibers.
 
 He stated that the sores all over his body by the next day had healed and 
 were scabing over and his skin had never felt so soft. He tried it the next 
 day, the same thing happened to him, he so enjoys his bath that he vows to 
 keep doing it.
 
 He is going to keep doing it and is going to report this to his friends who 
 are Iraq Vets who are having horrendous problems with Morgellions.
 
 thanks again
 Mary


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Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-29 Thread mborgert
More information on my friend with morgellions.

He followed the instructions but before getting into the tub he dissolved one 
of the alfalfa tabs black spots, long fibers came from the tabs.  He than put 
25 tabs into the tub along with the laundry detergent,I cannot seem to 
understand wheather the bugs came from him or not for the water was green as he 
crushed them up before entering the tub, but the tub was loaded with black 
specks and fibers.

He stated that the sores all over his body by the next day had healed and were 
scabing over and his skin had never felt so soft.  He tried it the next day, 
the same thing happened to him, he so enjoys his bath that he vows to keep 
doing it.

He is going to keep doing it and is going to report this to his friends who are 
Iraq Vets who are having horrendous problems with Morgellions.

thanks again
Mary

-- Original message --
From: tom chick tomcat1...@webtv.net

 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Nave
 Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:52 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease
 
 Did you ever use the Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe
 bleach in a bath before?  It is possible that it could have been that
 alone, or that in combination with the alfalfa, or the alfalfa alone.
 
 Nevertheless, very interesting, and great news!  Congrats!
 
 Dan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: feather...@netscape.net [mailto:feather...@netscape.net] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:59 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease
 
 For any of you following the mystery, or who knows about using
 alfalfathis was posted on a morgellons site
 today..I have been Morgellons sufferer for over ten
 years.
 
 Recently, I discovered, quite by accident, something that is literally
 making it disappear from my BODY.
 
 As I am sure fellow sufferers can relate to, over the years, I have
 experimented with various super baths, filling the tub with hot water
 and puttibng in things like lemons, baking soda, dish detergent, laundry
 detergent, alcohol, etcwell, one day about four months ago, I was
 filling the bath and I was pretty dirty from housecleaning so I put some
 Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach into the water,
 just a tad, because it really cleans the skin so good, and once I finish
 with the bath, I scrub it off with regular soap and a scrubby thing that
 is regularly disinfected.
 
 anyway, I left the bathroom for a minute or two and heard a crash that
 sounded like one of my cats getting into something. When I returned to
 the bathroom, nothing seemed amiss, so I got undressed and slid into the
 water for a soak.
 
 Everything seemed normal until the bubbles parted, and I got the sight
 of a morgellons sufferers' lifetime: those black and grey specks
 MIGRATING OUT OF MY SKIN AS FAST AS THEY COULD IN DROVES BY THE HUNDREDS
 FROM EVERY SQUARE INCH OF MY BODY
 
 And even as I saw that, I also noticed several large oblong things
 dissolving in the bottom of the tub. I picked one up, and it was an
 alfalfa tablet. Then I noticed the bottle on the counter next to the tub
 was overturned, and about 25 of them had fallen into the water! They
 were the cause of the migration of all things morgellon out of my skin
 in a fantastic migration for about an hour!
 Brown flecks, black specks, fibers, white patches of fibers drifted off
 the surface of my skin like No Problema, see ya later, something I had
 NEVER BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH ANY TOHER TOPICAL AGENT.
 
 THE MIGHTY ALFALFA HAS SINCE CONQUERED MORGELLONS IN MY BODY.
 
 The scabs are gone, the fibers are history, the patches of fibers are
 all taped to a piece of wax paper and about to be sent off to a research
 lab that has requested them.
 
 I am sending you my testimonial in hopes that other sufferers will at
 least know some relief from the scourge of the skin.
 
 Dandelion the Flame Point Siamese must be credited with this miraculous
 discovery. He is only three years old, but he's a hero to his
 long-suffering Mommy!
 
 I've done a little research on the mighty alfalfa, and apparently it
 creates an alkaline environment in the body in which things like CANCER
 and other diseases cannot survive. So, taking it internally can only be
 a good thing, also; but it's the BATHS that made all the difference in
 the world for me.
 
 I also tried putting St. Johns Wort in the bath along with it, with even
 better results. And for some reason, using the Sun powdered laundry
 detergent with colorsafe bleach also helps facilitate the migration of
 the specks.
 
 God, I really hope this helps even one person as it has helped me.
 
 It has cleared up my symptoms so completely that I kept forgetting to
 post this information on the morgellons websites
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-29 Thread Pat Lawrie
I guess the thing to do would be to take some of those specs and fibers to a 
lab and get them analyzed. But something is happening to heal those sores, 
nonetheless.
   
  Pat

mborg...@att.net wrote:
  More information on my friend with morgellions.

He followed the instructions but before getting into the tub he dissolved one 
of the alfalfa tabs black spots, long fibers came from the tabs. He than put 25 
tabs into the tub along with the laundry detergent,I cannot seem to understand 
wheather the bugs came from him or not for the water was green as he crushed 
them up before entering the tub, but the tub was loaded with black specks and 
fibers.

He stated that the sores all over his body by the next day had healed and were 
scabing over and his skin had never felt so soft. He tried it the next day, the 
same thing happened to him, he so enjoys his bath that he vows to keep doing it.

He is going to keep doing it and is going to report this to his friends who are 
Iraq Vets who are having horrendous problems with Morgellions.

thanks again
Mary

-- Original message --
From: tom chick 

 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Nave
 Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:52 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease
 
 Did you ever use the Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe
 bleach in a bath before? It is possible that it could have been that
 alone, or that in combination with the alfalfa, or the alfalfa alone.
 
 Nevertheless, very interesting, and great news! Congrats!
 
 Dan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: feather...@netscape.net [mailto:feather...@netscape.net] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:59 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease
 
 For any of you following the mystery, or who knows about using
 alfalfathis was posted on a morgellons site
 today..I have been Morgellons sufferer for over ten
 years.
 
 Recently, I discovered, quite by accident, something that is literally
 making it disappear from my BODY.
 
 As I am sure fellow sufferers can relate to, over the years, I have
 experimented with various super baths, filling the tub with hot water
 and puttibng in things like lemons, baking soda, dish detergent, laundry
 detergent, alcohol, etcwell, one day about four months ago, I was
 filling the bath and I was pretty dirty from housecleaning so I put some
 Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach into the water,
 just a tad, because it really cleans the skin so good, and once I finish
 with the bath, I scrub it off with regular soap and a scrubby thing that
 is regularly disinfected.
 
 anyway, I left the bathroom for a minute or two and heard a crash that
 sounded like one of my cats getting into something. When I returned to
 the bathroom, nothing seemed amiss, so I got undressed and slid into the
 water for a soak.
 
 Everything seemed normal until the bubbles parted, and I got the sight
 of a morgellons sufferers' lifetime: those black and grey specks
 MIGRATING OUT OF MY SKIN AS FAST AS THEY COULD IN DROVES BY THE HUNDREDS
 FROM EVERY SQUARE INCH OF MY BODY
 
 And even as I saw that, I also noticed several large oblong things
 dissolving in the bottom of the tub. I picked one up, and it was an
 alfalfa tablet. Then I noticed the bottle on the counter next to the tub
 was overturned, and about 25 of them had fallen into the water! They
 were the cause of the migration of all things morgellon out of my skin
 in a fantastic migration for about an hour!
 Brown flecks, black specks, fibers, white patches of fibers drifted off
 the surface of my skin like No Problema, see ya later, something I had
 NEVER BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH ANY TOHER TOPICAL AGENT.
 
 THE MIGHTY ALFALFA HAS SINCE CONQUERED MORGELLONS IN MY BODY.
 
 The scabs are gone, the fibers are history, the patches of fibers are
 all taped to a piece of wax paper and about to be sent off to a research
 lab that has requested them.
 
 I am sending you my testimonial in hopes that other sufferers will at
 least know some relief from the scourge of the skin.
 
 Dandelion the Flame Point Siamese must be credited with this miraculous
 discovery. He is only three years old, but he's a hero to his
 long-suffering Mommy!
 
 I've done a little research on the mighty alfalfa, and apparently it
 creates an alkaline environment in the body in which things like CANCER
 and other diseases cannot survive. So, taking it internally can only be
 a good thing, also; but it's the BATHS that made all the difference in
 the world for me.
 
 I also tried putting St. Johns Wort in the bath along with it, with even
 better results. And for some reason, using the Sun powdered laundry
 detergent with colorsafe bleach also helps facilitate the migration of
 the specks.
 
 God, I really hope this helps even one person as it has helped me.
 
 It has cleared up my symptoms so 

Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-29 Thread Deborah Gerard
Hi Mary I want to pass this info on to my doctor who is the only one in town 
who is treating this...is this post recent? thanks again debbie

mborg...@att.net wrote:  More information on my friend with morgellions.

He followed the instructions but before getting into the tub he dissolved one 
of the alfalfa tabs black spots, long fibers came from the tabs. He than put 25 
tabs into the tub along with the laundry detergent,I cannot seem to understand 
wheather the bugs came from him or not for the water was green as he crushed 
them up before entering the tub, but the tub was loaded with black specks and 
fibers.

He stated that the sores all over his body by the next day had healed and were 
scabing over and his skin had never felt so soft. He tried it the next day, the 
same thing happened to him, he so enjoys his bath that he vows to keep doing it.

He is going to keep doing it and is going to report this to his friends who are 
Iraq Vets who are having horrendous problems with Morgellions.

thanks again
Mary

-- Original message --
From: tom chick 

 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Nave
 Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:52 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease
 
 Did you ever use the Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe
 bleach in a bath before? It is possible that it could have been that
 alone, or that in combination with the alfalfa, or the alfalfa alone.
 
 Nevertheless, very interesting, and great news! Congrats!
 
 Dan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: feather...@netscape.net [mailto:feather...@netscape.net] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:59 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease
 
 For any of you following the mystery, or who knows about using
 alfalfathis was posted on a morgellons site
 today..I have been Morgellons sufferer for over ten
 years.
 
 Recently, I discovered, quite by accident, something that is literally
 making it disappear from my BODY.
 
 As I am sure fellow sufferers can relate to, over the years, I have
 experimented with various super baths, filling the tub with hot water
 and puttibng in things like lemons, baking soda, dish detergent, laundry
 detergent, alcohol, etcwell, one day about four months ago, I was
 filling the bath and I was pretty dirty from housecleaning so I put some
 Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach into the water,
 just a tad, because it really cleans the skin so good, and once I finish
 with the bath, I scrub it off with regular soap and a scrubby thing that
 is regularly disinfected.
 
 anyway, I left the bathroom for a minute or two and heard a crash that
 sounded like one of my cats getting into something. When I returned to
 the bathroom, nothing seemed amiss, so I got undressed and slid into the
 water for a soak.
 
 Everything seemed normal until the bubbles parted, and I got the sight
 of a morgellons sufferers' lifetime: those black and grey specks
 MIGRATING OUT OF MY SKIN AS FAST AS THEY COULD IN DROVES BY THE HUNDREDS
 FROM EVERY SQUARE INCH OF MY BODY
 
 And even as I saw that, I also noticed several large oblong things
 dissolving in the bottom of the tub. I picked one up, and it was an
 alfalfa tablet. Then I noticed the bottle on the counter next to the tub
 was overturned, and about 25 of them had fallen into the water! They
 were the cause of the migration of all things morgellon out of my skin
 in a fantastic migration for about an hour!
 Brown flecks, black specks, fibers, white patches of fibers drifted off
 the surface of my skin like No Problema, see ya later, something I had
 NEVER BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH ANY TOHER TOPICAL AGENT.
 
 THE MIGHTY ALFALFA HAS SINCE CONQUERED MORGELLONS IN MY BODY.
 
 The scabs are gone, the fibers are history, the patches of fibers are
 all taped to a piece of wax paper and about to be sent off to a research
 lab that has requested them.
 
 I am sending you my testimonial in hopes that other sufferers will at
 least know some relief from the scourge of the skin.
 
 Dandelion the Flame Point Siamese must be credited with this miraculous
 discovery. He is only three years old, but he's a hero to his
 long-suffering Mommy!
 
 I've done a little research on the mighty alfalfa, and apparently it
 creates an alkaline environment in the body in which things like CANCER
 and other diseases cannot survive. So, taking it internally can only be
 a good thing, also; but it's the BATHS that made all the difference in
 the world for me.
 
 I also tried putting St. Johns Wort in the bath along with it, with even
 better results. And for some reason, using the Sun powdered laundry
 detergent with colorsafe bleach also helps facilitate the migration of
 the specks.
 
 God, I really hope this helps even one person as it has helped me.
 
 It has cleared up my symptoms so completely that I kept forgetting to
 post 

Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-29 Thread mborgert
Yes, it is as of saturday.
I will have him repeat everything he said and will email back to you
Mary

-- Original message --
From: Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com

 Hi Mary I want to pass this info on to my doctor who is the only one in town 
 who 
 is treating this...is this post recent? thanks again debbie
 
 mborg...@att.net wrote:  More information on my friend with morgellions.
 
 He followed the instructions but before getting into the tub he dissolved one 
 of 
 the alfalfa tabs black spots, long fibers came from the tabs. He than put 25 
 tabs into the tub along with the laundry detergent,I cannot seem to 
 understand 
 wheather the bugs came from him or not for the water was green as he crushed 
 them up before entering the tub, but the tub was loaded with black specks and 
 fibers.
 
 He stated that the sores all over his body by the next day had healed and 
 were 
 scabing over and his skin had never felt so soft. He tried it the next day, 
 the 
 same thing happened to him, he so enjoys his bath that he vows to keep doing 
 it.
 
 He is going to keep doing it and is going to report this to his friends who 
 are 
 Iraq Vets who are having horrendous problems with Morgellions.
 
 thanks again
 Mary
 
 -- Original message --
 From: tom chick 
 
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Dan Nave
  Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:52 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease
  
  Did you ever use the Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe
  bleach in a bath before? It is possible that it could have been that
  alone, or that in combination with the alfalfa, or the alfalfa alone.
  
  Nevertheless, very interesting, and great news! Congrats!
  
  Dan
  
  -Original Message-
  From: feather...@netscape.net [mailto:feather...@netscape.net] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:59 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease
  
  For any of you following the mystery, or who knows about using
  alfalfathis was posted on a morgellons site
  today..I have been Morgellons sufferer for over ten
  years.
  
  Recently, I discovered, quite by accident, something that is literally
  making it disappear from my BODY.
  
  As I am sure fellow sufferers can relate to, over the years, I have
  experimented with various super baths, filling the tub with hot water
  and puttibng in things like lemons, baking soda, dish detergent, laundry
  detergent, alcohol, etcwell, one day about four months ago, I was
  filling the bath and I was pretty dirty from housecleaning so I put some
  Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach into the water,
  just a tad, because it really cleans the skin so good, and once I finish
  with the bath, I scrub it off with regular soap and a scrubby thing that
  is regularly disinfected.
  
  anyway, I left the bathroom for a minute or two and heard a crash that
  sounded like one of my cats getting into something. When I returned to
  the bathroom, nothing seemed amiss, so I got undressed and slid into the
  water for a soak.
  
  Everything seemed normal until the bubbles parted, and I got the sight
  of a morgellons sufferers' lifetime: those black and grey specks
  MIGRATING OUT OF MY SKIN AS FAST AS THEY COULD IN DROVES BY THE HUNDREDS
  FROM EVERY SQUARE INCH OF MY BODY
  
  And even as I saw that, I also noticed several large oblong things
  dissolving in the bottom of the tub. I picked one up, and it was an
  alfalfa tablet. Then I noticed the bottle on the counter next to the tub
  was overturned, and about 25 of them had fallen into the water! They
  were the cause of the migration of all things morgellon out of my skin
  in a fantastic migration for about an hour!
  Brown flecks, black specks, fibers, white patches of fibers drifted off
  the surface of my skin like No Problema, see ya later, something I had
  NEVER BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH ANY TOHER TOPICAL AGENT.
  
  THE MIGHTY ALFALFA HAS SINCE CONQUERED MORGELLONS IN MY BODY.
  
  The scabs are gone, the fibers are history, the patches of fibers are
  all taped to a piece of wax paper and about to be sent off to a research
  lab that has requested them.
  
  I am sending you my testimonial in hopes that other sufferers will at
  least know some relief from the scourge of the skin.
  
  Dandelion the Flame Point Siamese must be credited with this miraculous
  discovery. He is only three years old, but he's a hero to his
  long-suffering Mommy!
  
  I've done a little research on the mighty alfalfa, and apparently it
  creates an alkaline environment in the body in which things like CANCER
  and other diseases cannot survive. So, taking it internally can only be
  a good thing, also; but it's the BATHS that made all the difference in
  the world for me.
  
  I also tried putting St. Johns Wort in the bath along with 

Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-29 Thread mborgert
HE USED THE SUN POWDERED DETERGENT WITH BLEACH.
MARY

-- Original message --
From: Dan Nave na...@comcast.net

 Did he use the Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach  or did 
 he 
 only use the alfalfa?
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 mborg...@att.net wrote:
  More information on my friend with morgellions.
  
  He followed the instructions but before getting into the tub he dissolved 
  one 
 of the alfalfa tabs black spots, long fibers came from the tabs.  He than put 
 25 
 tabs into the tub along with the laundry detergent,I cannot seem to 
 understand 
 wheather the bugs came from him or not for the water was green as he crushed 
 them up before entering the tub, but the tub was loaded with black specks and 
 fibers.
  
  He stated that the sores all over his body by the next day had healed and 
  were 
 scabing over and his skin had never felt so soft.  He tried it the next day, 
 the 
 same thing happened to him, he so enjoys his bath that he vows to keep doing 
 it.
  
  He is going to keep doing it and is going to report this to his friends who 
 are Iraq Vets who are having horrendous problems with Morgellions.
  
  thanks again
  Mary
 
 
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Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-29 Thread Dan Nave

Did he use the Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach  or did 
he only use the alfalfa?

Dan



mborg...@att.net wrote:

More information on my friend with morgellions.

He followed the instructions but before getting into the tub he dissolved one 
of the alfalfa tabs black spots, long fibers came from the tabs.  He than put 
25 tabs into the tub along with the laundry detergent,I cannot seem to 
understand wheather the bugs came from him or not for the water was green as he 
crushed them up before entering the tub, but the tub was loaded with black 
specks and fibers.

He stated that the sores all over his body by the next day had healed and were 
scabing over and his skin had never felt so soft.  He tried it the next day, 
the same thing happened to him, he so enjoys his bath that he vows to keep 
doing it.

He is going to keep doing it and is going to report this to his friends who are 
Iraq Vets who are having horrendous problems with Morgellions.

thanks again
Mary



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Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-20 Thread Rowena
Dennis and Dee wondered at anyone using detergents in a bath.
For better or worse, my mother some sixty years ago used to use Tide 
detergent in our baths.  I doubt whether it did us any good, but I never had 
evidence of irritation or harm.  It left the bath surface nice and clean.
I never did it in my own household, though.
However, my reading in recent years indicates that what is sold as shampoo, 
personal care products, etc. is not generally of better quality than laundry 
products.  I don't suppose bubble baths are any better in quality.
Also, manufacturers probably take into account the fact that some people 
wash clothes with their hands in the water.

This is from the Sun website:

Section II - Hazardous Ingredients
IngredientsTLVPEL STEL  CAS 
No.
Sodium carbonaten/an/an/a 
497-19-8
Enzyme (if listed as an ingredient)
   Subtilisin6x10-5 mg/m3  none 
none  9014-01-1
Nonionic surfactant  n/an/an/a 
9016-45-9
Sodium perboraten/an/an/a 
10332-33-9
Sodium n/an/an/a 
25515-30-0
   Dodecylbenzene-
   sulfonate

Section VI - Toxicological  Health Hazard Data
LD50:  Not determined.
Threshold Limit Value:Not determined.
Effects of Acute Exposure:
Ingestion:  Irritation of membranes may occur.
Inhalation: Prolonged exposure may produce headaches and mucous 
membrane irritation.
Skin Contact:Direct contact may cause irritation. (I take this to 
mean undiluted on the skin, not in a bathful of water)
Eye Contact: Direct contact will cause irritation.
Effects of Chronic Exposure:None determined.
Carcinogen Status:Non-carcinogenic.

SECTION IX - REGULATORY INFORMATION
SARA Title III (Superfund Amendment and Reauthorization Act)
  Section 302 - Extremely Hazardous Substances: None
  Section 304 - Release Reporting:Sodium dodecylbenzenesulfonate
   Reportable Quantity: 1,000 lbs.
  Section 311/312 - Material Safety Data Sheet Requirements:None
  Section 313 - Toxic Chemicals: None at or above de minimus concentrations.


Phosphates having come in for bad press, as have enzymes, manufacturers are 
looking for alternatives.

Said a recent article in Time:
The chemical composition or possible dangers of the phosphate-free brands 
are largely unknown. Most use sodium carbonate, which has a higher alkaline 
content than detergents and common soaps and could, if used improperly, 
damage eyes and mucous membranes. Since most laundry experts agree that 
phosphates clean best and brightest, the new brands could presage a return 
to the old tattletale-gray washes. Still, in only six months or so the 
phosphate-free products have captured 3% of the market.

A comparison of the ingredients in shampoos, bubble baths, hand washing 
liquids, and household detergents might be rather interesting.

Where do they get the phosphates from, anyway?  To find out, I typed a 
search on phosphates mining.  My first hit says:
The type of phosphate found on Nauru and a few other Pacific islands, which 
is a combination of limestone and guano, is part of a larger grouping called 
phosphate rock.  Phosphate rock formed primarily from guano, such as 
that found on Nauru, plays a smaller role in terms of worldwide supply and 
demand. ... The phosphate is actually a composite of two materials which 
have combined and solidified over the eons: decayed oceanic microorganisms 
and bird droppings. These elements intertwined with the coral and limestone 
that forms the island, and extraction of the phosphate left behind deep pits 
and tall pillars, some as high as 75 feet. This creates a moon-like scene, 
which contributes to the incultivable and uninhabitable atmosphere.

Lots of other interesting stuff on phosphates.

Shampoo and detergents: http://www.searchlores.org/realicra/shampa1.htm

You can save a lot of money. Instead of using shampoo, just use your liquid 
dishwashing detergent and it will have the same effect, said Fenster, who 
pointed out that in terms of active chemistry, shampoo and dishwashing 
detergent is the same thing. http://www.mcgill.ca/reporter/36/04/harm/

From a variety of websites, it looks as if the main difference between 
detergents and shampoo is the smell.

For something as horrific as Morgellons, the use of detergent in the bath 
seems a very small risk, I would think.  If it makes the alfalfa useful, all 
the better.



Rowena

Does soaking in laundry detergent not burn on certain delicate body parts?
Dennis
Dee wrote:
 My mind is just boggling at the concept of anyone actually getting in
 a bath of laundry detergent!  Brave you, but congratulations at the
 good results.  Dee



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Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-20 Thread Dee
Well, I only use bath/shower/shampoo products with no sodium laureth
sulphate, propolyn glycol etc., in it and I only use the Ecover type
washing/washing up  liquid as I know that all this stuff which they use for
degreasing engines and putting in anti freeze, is even in baby washes. It
must be pretty much lethal to have actually caused the morgellons to leave,
unless it really was the alphalpha that did it.  Good luck anyway. Dee  
---Original Message---
 
From: Rowena
Date: 20/04/2007 17:41:25
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons
 
Dennis and Dee wondered at anyone using detergents in a bath.
For better or worse, my mother some sixty years ago used to use Tide
detergent in our baths.  I doubt whether it did us any good, but I never had
evidence of irritation or harm.  It left the bath surface nice and clean.
I never did it in my own household, though.
However, my reading in recent years indicates that what is sold as shampoo,
personal care products, etc. is not generally of better quality than laundry
products.  I don't suppose bubble baths are any better in quality.
Also, manufacturers probably take into account the fact that some people
wash clothes with their hands in the water.
 

Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-19 Thread Deborah Gerard
Did anyone ever find out how much detergent was used in the bath? thanks debbie

dd611 dgulenc...@mts.net wrote:  Does soaking in laundry detergent not burn 
on certain delicate body parts?
Dennis

Dee wrote:
 My mind is just boggling at the concept of anyone actually getting in 
 a bath of laundry detergent! Brave you, but congratulations at the 
 good results. Dee 
 
 /---Original Message---/
 
 /*From:*/ tom chick 
 /*Date:*/ 04/18/07 17:34:57
 /*To:*/ silver-list@eskimo.com 
 /*Subject:*/ Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Nave
 Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:52 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Subject: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease
 
 Did you ever use the Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe
 bleach in a bath before? It is possible that it could have been that
 alone, or that in combination with the alfalfa, or the alfalfa alone.
 
 Nevertheless, very interesting, and great news! Congrats!
 
 Dan
 

 
 

 

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Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-18 Thread Dee
My mind is just boggling at the concept of anyone actually getting in a bath
of laundry detergent!  Brave you, but congratulations at the good results. 
Dee  
 
---Original Message---
 
From: tom chick
Date: 04/18/07 17:34:57
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:52 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease
 
Did you ever use the Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe
bleach in a bath before?  It is possible that it could have been that
alone, or that in combination with the alfalfa, or the alfalfa alone.
 
Nevertheless, very interesting, and great news!  Congrats!
 
Dan
 

RE: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-18 Thread David W Kenney
The Canadian Dept of Health says that Bleach is one of the primary causes of
Breast cancer.. (Dr, Hulda Clark)

Did you know that?

 

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From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:07 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

 


My mind is just boggling at the concept of anyone actually getting in a bath
of laundry detergent!  Brave you, but congratulations at the good results.
Dee  

 

---Original Message---

 

From: tom chick mailto:tomcat1...@webtv.net 

Date: 04/18/07 17:34:57

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

 

 

 

-Original Message-

From: Dan Nave

Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:52 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease

 

Did you ever use the Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe

bleach in a bath before?  It is possible that it could have been that

alone, or that in combination with the alfalfa, or the alfalfa alone.

 

Nevertheless, very interesting, and great news!  Congrats!

 

Dan

 



 

 

 

 



Re: Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

2007-04-18 Thread dd611

Does soaking in laundry detergent not burn on certain delicate body parts?
Dennis

Dee wrote:
My mind is just boggling at the concept of anyone actually getting in 
a bath of laundry detergent!  Brave you, but congratulations at the 
good results.  Dee  
 
/---Original Message---/
 
/*From:*/ tom chick mailto:tomcat1...@webtv.net

/*Date:*/ 04/18/07 17:34:57
/*To:*/ silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
/*Subject:*/ Fw: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons
 
 
 
-Original Message-

From: Dan Nave
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:52 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSalfalfa for mystery skin disease
 
Did you ever use the Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe

bleach in a bath before?  It is possible that it could have been that
alone, or that in combination with the alfalfa, or the alfalfa alone.
 
Nevertheless, very interesting, and great news!  Congrats!
 
Dan
 







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