Re: CS>CS and fish (and cats)

[Mark Siepak]

I don't think cats get parvo. They don't get vaccinated for it, anyway.
Probably kidney or bladder infection. Possibly had a tiny taste of
antifreeze?

From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: CS>CS and fish


Sounds liken she had parvo. Almost always 100% fatal if left to the vet
to cure.

Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:
> *I have a female cat this summer who started to pass blood clots, she
> also had blood in her urine, vomiting stopped eating, lathargic. Layed
> her chin on the water dish all day and night and didn't move. I
> started her on pure cs in the water dish and daily she improved. Over
> the next two weeks all the signs of any blood were gone. She gets cs
> daily now and looks and acts great.*
> *debbie*


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Re: CS>CS and fish

[Marshall Dudley]

Dianne France wrote:
My grandson's fish was sick with ick and I told them to spray it with 
cs but it didn't make it.  His mom did the spraying because last time 
they lost a goldfish was because grandson took it out to pet 
it--petted a little to long.
Ick normally responds well to methyl blue which CAN be added to the main 
tank.


Marshall
 
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Re: CS>CS and fish

[Marshall Dudley]

Sounds liken she had parvo. Almost always 100% fatal if left to the vet 
to cure.


Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:
*I have a female cat this summer who started to pass blood clots, she 
also had blood in her urine, vomiting stopped eating, lathargic. Layed 
her chin on the water dish all day and night and didn't move. I 
started her on pure cs in the water dish and daily she improved. Over 
the next two weeks all the signs of any blood were gone. She gets cs 
daily now and looks and acts great.*

*debbie*

*/Terry Chamberlin /* wrote:

Recently a friend called to enthusiastically report
this: He has a couple of those large fish tanks full
of expensive, exotic fish. One of the fish was sick,
sluggish and covered with a grey film, eyes starting
to glaze over. His wife took the fish out of the tank
and put it in a bowl of CS. The next day, the eyes
were clear and the grey film was gone.

Cool.

Anyone else had a similar experience? How about with
other kinds of pets? (Cats, dogs, birds)


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Re: CS>CS and fish

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Re: CS>CS and fish

[Dianne France]

My grandson's fish was sick with ick and I told them to spray it with cs but it 
didn't make it.  His mom did the spraying because last time they lost a 
goldfish was because grandson took it out to pet it--petted a little to long.

Dianne

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  Subject: Re: CS>CS and fish


  Rescue remedy revived beta and goldfish that looked almost dead and floating 
upside down. 3 years later their still alive!


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Re: CS>CS and fish

[M. G. Devour]

I'm glad to hear that, Terry! 

That sounds like the most appropriate way to treat a fish... I imagine 
as long as the bowl of water is at about the right temperature there 
should be minimal shock to the fish. 

I like the idea of a few minutes in straight CS, then returning it to 
the tank. I know from my one experiment that dosing a quarantine jar 
with small quantities of CS wasn't aggressive enough, as well as it 
being extremely hard to maintain healthy water conditions in a small 
volume. The patient did not survive.   

One thing that is always important to remember: Do NOT put CS in an 
established aquarium or pond, as it will destroy the bacterial colonies 
in the gravel, soil, and filters which are essential to maintaining 
healthy water conditions. First, the death of the bacteria will dump a 
huge load of decaying matter into the water, and second, there won't be 
any bacteria left to process the fish wastes into less harmful 
subtances. Things will quickly spiral out of control.

Thanks for the success report. Tell them it was a good trial and we 
appreciate it.

Be well,

Mike D.

> Recently a friend called to enthusiastically report
> this: He has a couple of those large fish tanks full
> of expensive, exotic fish. One of the fish was sick,
> sluggish and covered with a grey film, eyes starting
> to glaze over. His wife took the fish out of the tank
> and put it in a bowl of CS. The next day, the eyes
> were clear and the grey film was gone.
> 
> Cool.
> 
> Anyone else had a similar experience? How about with
> other kinds of pets? (Cats, dogs, birds)

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Re: CS>CS and fish

[Deborah Gerard]

I have a female cat this summer who started to pass blood clots, she also had 
blood in her urine, vomiting stopped eating, lathargic. Layed her chin on the 
water dish all day and night and didn't move. I started her on pure cs in the 
water dish and daily she improved. Over the next two weeks all the signs of any 
blood were gone. She gets cs daily now and looks and acts great.
  debbie

Terry Chamberlin  wrote:
  Recently a friend called to enthusiastically report
this: He has a couple of those large fish tanks full
of expensive, exotic fish. One of the fish was sick,
sluggish and covered with a grey film, eyes starting
to glaze over. His wife took the fish out of the tank
and put it in a bowl of CS. The next day, the eyes
were clear and the grey film was gone.

Cool.

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other kinds of pets? (Cats, dogs, birds)


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Re: CS>CS and fish

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Re: CS>CS and fish

[parjac7]

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> Recently a friend called to enthusiastically report 
> this: He has a couple of those large fish tanks full 
> of expensive, exotic fish. One of the fish was sick, 
> sluggish and covered with a grey film, eyes starting 
> to glaze over. His wife took the fish out of the tank 
> and put it in a bowl of CS. The next day, the eyes 
> were clear and the grey film was gone. 
> 
> Cool. 
> 
> Anyone else had a similar experience? How about with 
> other kinds of pets? (Cats, dogs, birds) 
> 
> 
> Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! 
> Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com 
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RE: CS>cs and fish

[K Hammon]

Although I don't have aquariums any longer (I do have two bettas in 
smaller containers), I did successfully use CS to treat a dwarf 
Gourami when he suffered torn fins from a very aggressive tankmate.  
I transferred him to a 1/2 gallon container and added the CS to that 
water.  I kept him in there for a few hours and then put him back in 
the regular aquarium.  The torn fins healed up very quickly and very 
well.

I agree that using CS in an established aquarium is a bad idea and 
will kill the bacteria that support the nitrogen cycle.  However, I 
think it may be helpful in some situations by removing the affected 
fish to a smaller container, and using frequent water changes, along 
with CS.  Many of the commercial medications for fish do damage the 
biofilter of the aquarium, although some manufacturers have developed 
ones that don't.  As with anything else, you need to have some 
background knowledge in the basics.

Kim

On 1 Jun 2003 at 22:34, M. G. Devour wrote:

> I'm resurrecting this old thread 'cause nobody seemed to have a good 
> idea what happened to the fish...
> 
> I'd bet that the CS promptly killed just about every bacterium in the 
> water within a minute or two... All those dead bacteria dumped their 
> guts into the water all at once, toxins included. Not a happy 
> environment for a fish. The fish were being hit with a heavy toxic load 
> all at once.
> 
> If you've got a gravel bed in the bottom of the tank, it'd be even 
> worse than in a fishbowl. Part of the "biological filter" in a healthy 
> tank is the colonies of friendly bacteria that break down wastes like 
> ammonia to less toxic compounds.
> 
> If you want to try treating a fish with CS, transfer it to a jar of
> properly conditioned new water with added CS for a while. Don't add the 
> CS to the community tank. 
> 
> If you want to isolate a fish, I'd suggest a decent sized quarantine 
> tank with simple fixtures (no gravel or plants) and good aeration. The 
> big problem will be keeping the wastes from building up in the absence 
> of filtration. Only frequent and consistent vacuuming and water changes 
> will do.
> 
> Be well,
> 
> Mike D.
> 


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RE: CS>cs and fish

[Roxanne]

I didn't see the post about the fish.  DO NOT PUT CS INTO A FISH TANK!!!  IT
will kill the fish, by depleting the bacteria in the fish tank.  When the
bacteria dies, this process depletes the oxygen in the water thus
suffocating the fish.  I'm not quite certain if this is exactly what
happens, but I've had large tanks that was impossible to change the water
easily so it was imperative I kept a "balance" within the aquarium.

To get crystal clear water I used a water pump with a filter that used
"diatemateous earth" as a filtering agent.  I used it once a week, to keep
my water crystal clear.

Roxanne

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Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 10:34 PM
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I'm resurrecting this old thread 'cause nobody seemed to have a good 
idea what happened to the fish...

I'd bet that the CS promptly killed just about every bacterium in the 
water within a minute or two... All those dead bacteria dumped their 
guts into the water all at once, toxins included. Not a happy 
environment for a fish. The fish were being hit with a heavy toxic load 
all at once.

If you've got a gravel bed in the bottom of the tank, it'd be even 
worse than in a fishbowl. Part of the "biological filter" in a healthy 
tank is the colonies of friendly bacteria that break down wastes like 
ammonia to less toxic compounds.

If you want to try treating a fish with CS, transfer it to a jar of properly
conditioned new water with added CS for a while. Don't add the 
CS to the community tank. 

If you want to isolate a fish, I'd suggest a decent sized quarantine 
tank with simple fixtures (no gravel or plants) and good aeration. The 
big problem will be keeping the wastes from building up in the absence 
of filtration. Only frequent and consistent vacuuming and water changes 
will do.

Be well,

Mike D.

Ed wrote:
> Just wondering IF CS affects (reduces)  the O2 levels in fluids and IF 
> Cancer is related to depressed O2 levels may there be a relationship 
> there?

Christine wrote:
> I've tried putting cs in my fishtank and almost killed my fish.  He 
> was laying on the bottom gasping for air.  Seems that the cs does 
> something to the oxygen molecules and the fish can't get the oxygen 
> from the water.
> 
> If you want to try it, just use a drop or two, not too much.

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RE: CS>cs and fish

[Malcolm Stebbins]

Hi Mike, better check with a fish doctor first; the 'slime' on fish is a 
symbiotic collection of bacteria that help to protect the fish against 
other pests, including bacteria, and also help it slip through the water 
more easily.  Next thing you know, they'll be painting the outside of the 
F-16 with fish-goo!  OTOH, would squirting a MiG-29 with CS bring it 
down, or just keep on topic?

Dunno,  Malcolm

At 10:34 PM 6/1/03 +00-05, you wrote:


I'm resurrecting this old thread 'cause nobody seemed to have a good
idea what happened to the fish...

I'd bet that the CS promptly killed just about every bacterium in the
water within a minute or two...


And on the fish!


If you want to try treating a fish with CS, transfer it to a jar of
properly conditioned new water with added CS for a while.


Better not, or just practice on some feeders, but don't feed them to 
anything in your aquarium.




If you want to isolate a fish, I'd suggest a decent sized quarantine
tank with simple fixtures (no gravel or plants) and good aeration. The
big problem will be keeping the wastes from building up in the absence
of filtration. Only frequent and consistent vacuuming and water changes
will do.

Be well,

Mike D.

Ed wrote:
> Just wondering IF CS affects (reduces)  the O2 levels in fluids and IF
> Cancer is related to depressed O2 levels may there be a relationship
> there?

Christine wrote:
> I've tried putting cs in my fishtank and almost killed my fish.  He
> was laying on the bottom gasping for air.  Seems that the cs does
> something to the oxygen molecules and the fish can't get the oxygen
> from the water.
>

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RE: CS>cs and fish

[M. G. Devour]

I'm resurrecting this old thread 'cause nobody seemed to have a good 
idea what happened to the fish...

I'd bet that the CS promptly killed just about every bacterium in the 
water within a minute or two... All those dead bacteria dumped their 
guts into the water all at once, toxins included. Not a happy 
environment for a fish. The fish were being hit with a heavy toxic load 
all at once.

If you've got a gravel bed in the bottom of the tank, it'd be even 
worse than in a fishbowl. Part of the "biological filter" in a healthy 
tank is the colonies of friendly bacteria that break down wastes like 
ammonia to less toxic compounds.

If you want to try treating a fish with CS, transfer it to a jar of
properly conditioned new water with added CS for a while. Don't add the 
CS to the community tank. 

If you want to isolate a fish, I'd suggest a decent sized quarantine 
tank with simple fixtures (no gravel or plants) and good aeration. The 
big problem will be keeping the wastes from building up in the absence 
of filtration. Only frequent and consistent vacuuming and water changes 
will do.

Be well,

Mike D.

Ed wrote:
> Just wondering IF CS affects (reduces)  the O2 levels in fluids and IF
> Cancer is related to depressed O2 levels may there be a relationship
> there?

Christine wrote:
> I've tried putting cs in my fishtank and almost killed my fish.  He
> was laying on the bottom gasping for air.  Seems that the cs does
> something to the oxygen molecules and the fish can't get the oxygen
> from the water.
> 
> If you want to try it, just use a drop or two, not too much.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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