Re: CS>machine question

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Wouldn't they have been rather expensive if they had been real silver?  and 
*why* would they use real silver at all?  The mind boggles!  dee

On 25 Feb 2010, at 03:51, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:

> I read her site in some detail years ago, and was impressed in particular by 
> one link to an academic article about a Japanese many who got argyria from 
> consuming a popular breath mint sold here -- Jintan is the name, sold in a 
> few variations.
> 
> Sliver Jintan breath mints look like BB's or ball bearings or very large cake 
> sprinkles.   The silver color, according to the article, is actual silver -- 
> what kind exactly I can't say.
> 
> According to RJ's site at that time, silver cake sprinkles are the same -- 
> real silver. As I'd enjoyed a few packs of Jintan, and was dabbling with 
> EIS as well,  I was really glad to learn what she had to say; it may have 
> spared me discoloration.
> 
> I don't know if Silver Jintan is still on the market.
> 
> As for RJ,  I try to keep an open mind and near divergent opinions, though I 
> gave up on correspondence;  RJ doesn't want to hear ideas that differ from 
> her own.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: CS>machine question

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I read her site in some detail years ago, and was impressed in 
particular by one link to an academic article about a Japanese many who 
got argyria from consuming a popular breath mint sold here -- Jintan is 
the name, sold in a few variations.


Sliver Jintan breath mints look like BB's or ball bearings or very 
large cake sprinkles.   The silver color, according to the article, is 
actual silver -- what kind exactly I can't say.


According to RJ's site at that time, silver cake sprinkles are the same 
-- real silver. As I'd enjoyed a few packs of Jintan, and was 
dabbling with EIS as well,  I was really glad to learn what she had to 
say; it may have spared me discoloration.


I don't know if Silver Jintan is still on the market.

As for RJ,  I try to keep an open mind and near divergent opinions, 
though I gave up on correspondence;  RJ doesn't want to hear ideas that 
differ from her own.








On Thursday, Feb 25, 2010, at 00:43 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:

it would be really nice of Rosemary to put those links back..but I 
guess she actually read what they linked to and found out it tended to 
disprove her assertions.



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Re: CS>machine question

[Ode Coyote]

  Store bought is often Mild Silver Protein. MSP [in the fine 
print..sometimes]
Big metallic particles partly covered up with protein gel..guesstimated to 
be about 1/50th as effective as EIS per PPM.


Store bought electro-colloidal silver should be the same as what you make 
at home..but is sometimes not as strong as the label says, sometimes as 
little as .3 PPM on a bottle labeled at 10 PPM by people that didn't know 
how to run their HVAC open arc commercial production unit with an inert gas 
blanket, then used a meter to measure nitric acid content rather than 
silver and didn't know they were.


Ode



At 12:17 PM 2/23/2010 -0800, you wrote:
Hi Bob, I also had this dilemma a while back. I ended up going with what 
you call ionic (which i call CS but an going to change to EIS) Anyway, 
Maybe you could purchase some Particulate silver solution and some Ionic 
and compare the two. I have not tried the Particulate type.
One thing i know for sure is I like the CS i made with my silver puppy a 
lot more than the CS i purchased, it's more effective and seems to give me 
more energy.
My daughters boyfriend has had pink eye three times and the third time he 
used mine instead of store bought, he said mine eased the discomfort 
within minutes of dropping it into his eye and cured it in two days vs 
four days with the store bought CS.
I'm definitely not an expert and I'm sure your going to get all the 
information you need and then some here. I have learned so much and i'm 
getting better at understanding the technical stuff the more i read it.


Tina

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:


From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
Subject: Re: CS>machine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:01 AM

Most on this group prefer the EIS (electronically isolated silver) 
commonly known as colloidal silver (CS)  ours is a mixture of both and 
consists of mainly ionic with some colloidal.  I have a SilverPuppy which 
I love--this makes clear EIS and is cheap and easy to use.  You can use 
it manually or automatically and it has a facility whereby you can switch 
polarity to limit build up on the electrodes.  This I find an excellent 
feature.  You literally just pour in your distilled water into your jar - 
put the generator on the top and just leave it and it turns itself off 
when done.  couldn't be easier.  For larger amounts, there is the 
SilverGen which is a bit more expensive I believe, but does larger amounts. dee


On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:18, william heene wrote:

> Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at 
this point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or 
particle.  I can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and 
other site it is particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in 
CS producion and it's uses and looking for some input about the topic.

> Thanks Bob
>
>
>
>


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Re: CS>machine question

[Ode Coyote]

Ions cannot exist without the water, so sizing particles made out of ions 
by drying them, using an electron microscope that can only be used on dry 
samples, is total BS.


Ode



###
adding:  Any time you see a particle size figure at .0008 microns, it 
was determined using an electron microscope taking photos of something 
that was NEVER IN THE WATER.


 Those are Silver Oxide particles MADE by drying out the Ions. [removing 
the water]


At 97% Ionic, it might take quite a bit of searching just to FIND a 
particle with an electron microscopes field of view.if it COULD in a 
liquid, which it can't.
[Of course, those will also be in the dried sample, carefully avoided so as 
not to show any of those relative monsters. ]


The new Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator  [snip]
   * Produces uncommonly small silver micro-particles as low as 
.0008 microns.



##  Actually, seeing as the author of that mess of mixed contexts doesn't 
seem to know the difference between a particle and an Ion and can call Ions 
particles...MOST of what that and every generator makes is WAY~WAY smaller 
than .0008 microns.


So, "as low as" is not only not true, but excludes mention of all the 
bigger ones that form later by distraction from the fact that the ones that 
ARE mentioned were never-in-the-water...and the ones that WERE in the 
water being at only around 3%-15% of the total silver and would survive 
drying, the microscope apparently didn't find any of them.


 Ignorance...happenstanceor design?

 "Technically" an Ion IS a particle by "legal" definition as it takes up 
space and has mass, but if you ever expect a lawyer to tell you 
something  you are "meant" to understand...like... applying the very reason 
for saying anything at all as an intended communication of 
meaningwelldon't hold your breath.
It's wiser to recognize a slick ass "lawyer" and steer clear of the 
legalese BS designed to say things it DOESN'T mean without "technically" lying.


 Ohh, I LIKE this one.
"Over a year and a half in development, [ a long time ago ] this brand new 
unit [manufactured recently and never before used] represents a bona-fide 
breakthrough in colloidal silver-making technology.[ back when everybody 
was using salt, 3 nines and thought 1PPM per minute was possible during the 
second and third minutes as the current shot up the line like a rocket...as 
though a timer works now when it didn't used to, but no one knew it didn't. ]

Well, at least they don't cost $400+ anymore.

"Standard Colloidal Silver"  ??  What the heck is that? [Words that imply 
meaning but have absolutely none]
 I mean, my house is smaller than a standard rock?  [Sorta depends on 
where and how you live, don't it? ]


I think I'll go Phishing nowjust wade across the pond to England with 
my hook, line and stinker and all the Phish are 27 long [feet or 
millimeters?] and over 10 pounds. [sterling]



Ode



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Re: CS>machine question

[Ode Coyote]

  From links posted long ago on the Blue Lady site [Rosmary Jacobs]
 One of the research papers linked to, the scientists were unable to 
produce any cases of Argyria to study in dogs and went to the silver 
industry looking for cases.
 The researcher found no current cases and a history of 1 in 2000 workers 
developing the condition over a period of something like 80 yearsand a 
lower than usual absenteeism rate from colds and flu.


it would be really nice of Rosemary to put those links back..but I guess 
she actually read what they linked to and found out it tended to disprove 
her assertions.


ode



At 01:35 PM 2/23/2010 -0800, you wrote:
Hello again bob, i was in a hurry and for got to mention that i have read 
literature about Particulate vs Ionic and here's what i came up with. In 
my case i was specifically interested in knowing which of the two 
presented a greater (if any) risk of Argyria.
One said that it's the type with mostly ions and a small percentage of 
particulate in super high doses would cause it. this was by people in 
favor of ionic.
Another said the miners who worked in a silver mine got it from inhaling 
the silver dust so i figured that would have to be particles. this one was 
brought up in an article by someone strictly against pretty much any 
silver product used for health especially CS. So i decided (for myself 
only) that the ions were necessary for mine and my son's personal needs 
and i would use it in moderation.


  Tina

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Christina Mattson  wrote:


From: Christina Mattson 
Subject: Re: CS>machine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 11:17 AM

Hi Bob, I also had this dilemma a while back. I ended up going with what 
you call ionic (which i call CS but an going to change to EIS) Anyway, 
Maybe you could purchase some Particulate silver solution and some Ionic 
and compare the two. I have not tried the Particulate type.
One thing i know for sure is I like the CS i made with my silver puppy a 
lot more than the CS i purchased, it's more effective and seems to give 
me more energy.
My daughters boyfriend has had pink eye three times and the third time he 
used mine instead of store bought, he said mine eased the discomfort 
within minutes of dropping it into his eye and cured it in two days vs 
four days with the store bought CS.
I'm definitely not an expert and I'm sure your going to get all the 
information you need and then some here. I have learned so much and i'm 
getting better at understanding the technical stuff the more i read it.


Tina

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:


From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
Subject: Re: CS>machine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:01 AM

Most on this group prefer the EIS (electronically isolated silver) 
commonly known as colloidal silver (CS)  ours is a mixture of both and 
consists of mainly ionic with some colloidal.  I have a SilverPuppy 
which I love--this makes clear EIS and is cheap and easy to use.  You 
can use it manually or automatically and it has a facility whereby you 
can switch polarity to limit build up on the electrodes.  This I find an 
excellent feature.  You literally just pour in your distilled water into 
your jar - put the generator on the top and just leave it and it turns 
itself off when done.  couldn't be easier.  For larger amounts, there is 
the SilverGen which is a bit more expensive I believe, but does larger 
amounts. dee


On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:18, william heene wrote:

> Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at 
this point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or 
particle.  I can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and 
other site it is particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in 
CS producion and it's uses and looking for some input about the topic.

> Thanks Bob
>
>
>
>


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Re: CS>machine question

[Ode Coyote]

  The  silvergen SG7 does 5 gallon batches...in pretty short order.
The SG6 does smaller batches [one quart] and is a decent generator at a 
decent price made by a decent guy, Trem.


When anyone asks about making a BUNCH of CS/EIS...that's where I send 
them.  www.silvergen.com


Ode


At 12:01 PM 2/23/2010 +, you wrote:
Most on this group prefer the EIS (electronically isolated silver) 
commonly known as colloidal silver (CS)  ours is a mixture of both and 
consists of mainly ionic with some colloidal.  I have a SilverPuppy which 
I love--this makes clear EIS and is cheap and easy to use.  You can use it 
manually or automatically and it has a facility whereby you can switch 
polarity to limit build up on the electrodes.  This I find an excellent 
feature.  You literally just pour in your distilled water into your jar - 
put the generator on the top and just leave it and it turns itself off 
when done.  couldn't be easier.  For larger amounts, there is the 
SilverGen which is a bit more expensive I believe, but does larger amounts. dee


On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:18, william heene wrote:

> Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at 
this point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or 
particle.  I can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and 
other site it is particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in 
CS producion and it's uses and looking for some input about the topic.

> Thanks Bob
>
>
>
>


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Re: CS>machine question

[william heene]

 
Hello group...made up my mind, though still don't quit understand it all as of 
yet.  Gonna go with the SilverPuppy!  Thanks Louise, Tina, Marshall and Ode for 
your input.  Bob  
 


--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Christina Mattson  wrote:


From: Christina Mattson 
Subject: Re: CS>machine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:35 PM








Hello again bob, i was in a hurry and for got to mention that i have read 
literature about Particulate vs Ionic and here's what i came up with. In my 
case i was specifically interested in knowing which of the two presented a 
greater (if any) risk of Argyria.
One said that it's the type with mostly ions and a small percentage of 
particulate in super high doses would cause it. this was by people in favor of 
ionic.
Another said the miners who worked in a silver mine got it from inhaling the 
silver dust so i figured that would have to be particles. this one was brought 
up in an article by someone strictly against pretty much any silver product 
used for health especially CS. So i decided (for myself only) that the ions 
were necessary for mine and my son's personal needs and i would use it in 
moderation.
 
  Tina

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Christina Mattson  wrote:


From: Christina Mattson 
Subject: Re: CS>machine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 11:17 AM







Hi Bob, I also had this dilemma a while back. I ended up going with what you 
call ionic (which i call CS but an going to change to EIS) Anyway, Maybe you 
could purchase some Particulate silver solution and some Ionic and compare the 
two. I have not tried the Particulate type.
One thing i know for sure is I like the CS i made with my silver puppy a lot 
more than the CS i purchased, it's more effective and seems to give me more 
energy. 
My daughters boyfriend has had pink eye three times and the third time he used 
mine instead of store bought, he said mine eased the discomfort within minutes 
of dropping it into his eye and cured it in two days vs four days with the 
store bought CS.
I'm definitely not an expert and I'm sure your going to get all the information 
you need and then some here. I have learned so much and i'm getting better at 
understanding the technical stuff the more i read it.
 
Tina
 
--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:


From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
Subject: Re: CS>machine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:01 AM


Most on this group prefer the EIS (electronically isolated silver) commonly 
known as colloidal silver (CS)  ours is a mixture of both and consists of 
mainly ionic with some colloidal.  I have a SilverPuppy which I love--this 
makes clear EIS and is cheap and easy to use.  You can use it manually or 
automatically and it has a facility whereby you can switch polarity to limit 
build up on the electrodes.  This I find an excellent feature.  You literally 
just pour in your distilled water into your jar - put the generator on the top 
and just leave it and it turns itself off when done.  couldn't be easier.  For 
larger amounts, there is the SilverGen which is a bit more expensive I believe, 
but does larger amounts. dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:18, william heene wrote:

> Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at this 
> point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or particle.  I 
> can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and other site it is 
> particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in CS producion and it's 
> uses and looking for some input about the topic.
> Thanks Bob
>  
>  
> 
> 


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Re: CS>machine question

[Christina Mattson]

Hello again bob, i was in a hurry and for got to mention that i have read 
literature about Particulate vs Ionic and here's what i came up with. In my 
case i was specifically interested in knowing which of the two presented a 
greater (if any) risk of Argyria.
One said that it's the type with mostly ions and a small percentage of 
particulate in super high doses would cause it. this was by people in favor of 
ionic.
Another said the miners who worked in a silver mine got it from inhaling the 
silver dust so i figured that would have to be particles. this one was brought 
up in an article by someone strictly against pretty much any silver product 
used for health especially CS. So i decided (for myself only) that the ions 
were necessary for mine and my son's personal needs and i would use it in 
moderation.
 
  Tina

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Christina Mattson  wrote:


From: Christina Mattson 
Subject: Re: CS>machine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 11:17 AM







Hi Bob, I also had this dilemma a while back. I ended up going with what you 
call ionic (which i call CS but an going to change to EIS) Anyway, Maybe you 
could purchase some Particulate silver solution and some Ionic and compare the 
two. I have not tried the Particulate type.
One thing i know for sure is I like the CS i made with my silver puppy a lot 
more than the CS i purchased, it's more effective and seems to give me more 
energy. 
My daughters boyfriend has had pink eye three times and the third time he used 
mine instead of store bought, he said mine eased the discomfort within minutes 
of dropping it into his eye and cured it in two days vs four days with the 
store bought CS.
I'm definitely not an expert and I'm sure your going to get all the information 
you need and then some here. I have learned so much and i'm getting better at 
understanding the technical stuff the more i read it.
 
Tina
 
--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:


From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
Subject: Re: CS>machine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:01 AM


Most on this group prefer the EIS (electronically isolated silver) commonly 
known as colloidal silver (CS)  ours is a mixture of both and consists of 
mainly ionic with some colloidal.  I have a SilverPuppy which I love--this 
makes clear EIS and is cheap and easy to use.  You can use it manually or 
automatically and it has a facility whereby you can switch polarity to limit 
build up on the electrodes.  This I find an excellent feature.  You literally 
just pour in your distilled water into your jar - put the generator on the top 
and just leave it and it turns itself off when done.  couldn't be easier.  For 
larger amounts, there is the SilverGen which is a bit more expensive I believe, 
but does larger amounts. dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:18, william heene wrote:

> Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at this 
> point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or particle.  I 
> can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and other site it is 
> particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in CS producion and it's 
> uses and looking for some input about the topic.
> Thanks Bob
>  
>  
> 
> 


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Re: CS>machine question

[Christina Mattson]

Hi Bob, I also had this dilemma a while back. I ended up going with what you 
call ionic (which i call CS but an going to change to EIS) Anyway, Maybe you 
could purchase some Particulate silver solution and some Ionic and compare the 
two. I have not tried the Particulate type.
One thing i know for sure is I like the CS i made with my silver puppy a lot 
more than the CS i purchased, it's more effective and seems to give me more 
energy. 
My daughters boyfriend has had pink eye three times and the third time he used 
mine instead of store bought, he said mine eased the discomfort within minutes 
of dropping it into his eye and cured it in two days vs four days with the 
store bought CS.
I'm definitely not an expert and I'm sure your going to get all the information 
you need and then some here. I have learned so much and i'm getting better at 
understanding the technical stuff the more i read it.
 
Tina
 
--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:


From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
Subject: Re: CS>machine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:01 AM


Most on this group prefer the EIS (electronically isolated silver) commonly 
known as colloidal silver (CS)  ours is a mixture of both and consists of 
mainly ionic with some colloidal.  I have a SilverPuppy which I love--this 
makes clear EIS and is cheap and easy to use.  You can use it manually or 
automatically and it has a facility whereby you can switch polarity to limit 
build up on the electrodes.  This I find an excellent feature.  You literally 
just pour in your distilled water into your jar - put the generator on the top 
and just leave it and it turns itself off when done.  couldn't be easier.  For 
larger amounts, there is the SilverGen which is a bit more expensive I believe, 
but does larger amounts. dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:18, william heene wrote:

> Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at this 
> point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or particle.  I 
> can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and other site it is 
> particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in CS producion and it's 
> uses and looking for some input about the topic.
> Thanks Bob
>  
>  
> 
> 


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Re: CS>machine question

[Ode Coyote]

  NO CS generator using electricity and water does anything BUT produce Ions.

Ions only come in one size.. WAY small. One atom minus one electron.  Any 
smaller and the Silver would no longer be Silver.


 Particles come later depending on conditions in the brew container 
and  how fast ions are emitted over what electrode surface area to avoid 
over concentration of the waters solubility limits in localized zones to 
include, especially, the Nernst Diffusion layer at the electrode surface.
..controlled by an appropriate current density of  [generally accepted] 1 
milliamp per square [useful] inch of electrode area,  or less.
The voltage only matters to the extent that it limits the current...and in 
some cases such as AC output, the velocity of the Ions setting an 
adequately phased frequency to prevent Ions from just getting sucked back 
onto an electrode when the polarity changes.


The shape of the electrode has much to do with how much of it is useful.
 Repeatable parallel placement of electrodes is very important for even 
current distribution and even Ion discharge.
 Bending electrode tips slightly away from each other will prevent tip 
discharge concentration..can't do a whole lot with edges and stay flat.


Timers cannot work to predict anything unless you know where you started 
and how fast you are going at all times.

 Small differences in water make huge differences in time.
No two jugs of water are the same except by sheer accident.
Even the SAME jug of water changes.

Only a "Micro Particle" will stay in the water, the term and claim is 
meaningless in the context ofif it stays in the water, it is a "Micro 
Particle" and if it drops out, it's no longer *in the water* and doesn't 
matter.
 Particles come out in a range of sizes from too small to be visible in 
visible light frequencies, to... fell out of suspension. There is no "one 
size" to claim. [Just as there are no more than one size of Ion]
Particulate content is mostly Silver Hydroxide, some Silver Oxide in 
varying ratios and a little bit of metallic Silver.  The ratios can be 
tweeked some to favor one over the other and more or less by altering 
temperature, current density and frequency, but the water is the dominant 
factor...and is never the same.
Ions cannot exist without the water, so sizing particles made out of ions 
by drying them, using an electron microscope that can only be used on dry 
samples, is total BS.


Ode



At 01:18 PM 2/22/2010 -0800, you wrote:
Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at this 
point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or particle.  I 
can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and other site it 
is particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in CS producion and 
it's uses and looking for some input about the topic.

Thanks Bob




--- On Mon, 2/22/10, carolG  wrote:


From: carolG 
Subject: Re: CS>Hair Loss - link here
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:49 PM

Awesome Dee.

Dog doing fabulous!!!  Still scratching a little bit but nothing like 
before..her hair is coming nicely...not seeing hardly any raw red skin


Carol


From: "scl...@cox.net" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 1:01:12 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Hair Loss - link here

We used bentonite and it seemed to work well. You prepare the clay 
mixture with ACV and then wet your hair and then apply the clay mixture.
 Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
<d...@deetroy.org> 
wrote:


=
It doesn't say what sort of clay and *how* you wash your hair with 
it!  Is it bentonite, do you think?  dee


On 21 Feb 2010, at 20:56, 
<scl...@cox.net> 
wrote:


> I'm posting a link to curezone for a hair growth recipe that seemed to 
work for my wife.

>
> 
http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1573169#i

>
> Steve
>  carolG 
<cgiam...@yahoo.com> 
wrote:

>
> =
> 
http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/

> See below.
>
> carol
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Annie B Smythe 
<anniebsmy...@gmail.com>
> To: CS List 
<silver-list@eskimo.com>

> Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 10:04:09 AM
> Subject: CS>Hair Loss
>
> Okay, so I found this website while researching DHT and what causes 
elevated levels and the connection with Iodine and the thyroid.  The 
second page talks about the thyroid hormones and Insulin resistance and 
T4 and how it's all related. :)  Very interesting and informative read 
with research and reference links. And although it talk about men 
mostly, I'm sure that

Re: CS>machine question

[Marshall Dudley]

william heene wrote:
Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at 
this point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or 
particle.


For what?  The ionic part is best for some things, such as burns, and 
the particulate is better for others such as killing certain germs. But 
virtually all machines produce approximately 90% ionic and 10% 
particulate, so why worry about it anyway. If you want more particulate 
and less ionic, simply add a little H2O2 after brewing.


Marshall
 I can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and 
other site it is particle.  I assume you people are very experienced 
in CS producion and it's uses and looking for some input about the topic.

Thanks Bob
 
 



--- On *Mon, 2/22/10, carolG //* wrote:


From: carolG 
Subject: Re: CS>Hair Loss - link here
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:49 PM

Awesome Dee.

Dog doing fabulous!!!  Still scratching a little bit but nothing
like before..her hair is coming nicely...not seeing hardly any raw
red skin

Carol


*From:* "scl...@cox.net" 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Cc:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
*Sent:* Mon, February 22, 2010 1:01:12 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Hair Loss - link here

We used bentonite and it seemed to work well. You prepare the clay
mixture with ACV and then wet your hair and then apply the clay
mixture.
 Dorothy Fitzpatrick http://us.mc621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@deetroy.org>>
wrote:

=
It doesn't say what sort of clay and *how* you wash your hair with
it!  Is it bentonite, do you think?  dee

On 21 Feb 2010, at 20:56, http://us.mc621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scl...@cox.net>> wrote:

> I'm posting a link to curezone for a hair growth recipe that
seemed to work for my wife.
>
> http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1573169#i
>
> Steve
>  carolG http://us.mc621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cgiam...@yahoo.com>>
wrote:
>
> =
> http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/
> See below.
>
> carol
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Annie B Smythe http://us.mc621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=anniebsmy...@gmail.com>>
> To: CS List http://us.mc621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com>>
> Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 10:04:09 AM
> Subject: CS>Hair Loss
>
> Okay, so I found this website while researching DHT and what
causes elevated levels and the connection with Iodine and the
thyroid.  The second page talks about the thyroid hormones and
Insulin resistance and T4 and how it's all related. :)  Very
interesting and informative read with research and reference
links. And although it talk about men mostly, I'm sure that
elevated levels of DHT in women can cause hair loss as well,
especially as those who have thyroid problems usually have an
upset in the hormone balances in the HPA axis.
>
> http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/
>
> Annie
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Re: CS>machine question

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Most on this group prefer the EIS (electronically isolated silver) commonly 
known as colloidal silver (CS)  ours is a mixture of both and consists of 
mainly ionic with some colloidal.  I have a SilverPuppy which I love--this 
makes clear EIS and is cheap and easy to use.  You can use it manually or 
automatically and it has a facility whereby you can switch polarity to limit 
build up on the electrodes.  This I find an excellent feature.  You literally 
just pour in your distilled water into your jar - put the generator on the top 
and just leave it and it turns itself off when done.  couldn't be easier.  For 
larger amounts, there is the SilverGen which is a bit more expensive I believe, 
but does larger amounts. dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:18, william heene wrote:

> Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at this 
> point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or particle.  I 
> can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and other site it is 
> particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in CS producion and it's 
> uses and looking for some input about the topic.
> Thanks Bob
>  
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Re: CS>Machine

[Raine]

Hi Jill,

I use a 3 9's set up in a quart jar. It takes approx 1-2 hours, 
depending on if I'm using store-bought (takes longer) or homemade 
distilled water. I can definitely see changes, specifically bearding on 
the silver wire, that lets me know when it's 'bout done. I've never used 
tap water, so I can't answer in relation to that. I have never 
officially measured what I produce. I know that what I'm making works, 
so that's good enough for me, but not very helpful when we're discussing 
it on-list.


Hope this helps,
-Raine

grace1...@aol.com wrote:


Hi Raine:
 
When you brew a batch, how many batteries are you using?  How much 
water do you use?  How long does it take?  How do you know when it is 
done?  Can you see changes in the water to let you know it is finished 
when you use distilled instead of tap water?  Did you ever measure the 
parts per million?  If so, are you able to consistently produce the 
same parts per million in repeated trials?
 
Jill

Re: CS>Machine

[Dan Nave]

I see.  I was putting them side by side with the wide sides together.  I 
will try them side by side with the narrow sides together.


I just found a battery and can see that the terminal is closer to the 
narrow edge than it is to the wider edge so it should work that way.


Dan



Subject: Re: CS>Machine
From: V 
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:44:48 -0800
To: Dan Nave 

Hi Dan,

You snap them together on edge.  lay them flat on the table and then 
face them toward each other and snapy them together one terminal of one 
battery to one terminal of the other you can daisy chanin together as 
many as you want like this. I have put 100 together befor to make 900 
volts. but you can just snap 3 or 4 together for the silver maker.





Take care,
 V



>> Hi Jill,


>> Please explain to me how you snap three 9 volt batteries together.
>> Last time I tried it the batteries were too fat to allow them to
>> mate...


>> Dan


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Re: CS>Machine

[Robert Berger]

 
  Hi Deborah, 
   
  I need a mailing address.
   
  "Ole Bob"

Deborah Gerard  wrote:
You could send one my way too if you would...thanks debbie

Re: CS>Machine

[Deborah Gerard]

You could send one my way too if you would...thanks debbie

Robert Berger  wrote:Hi Jill,
   
  What method are you using to test for silver concnetration?
   
  The silver "sticks" are called wires when ordered. When used to brew with the 
are called electrodes. :-) A minor point of infromation.
   
  If you would like a pre-issue copy of my booklet, you might find it useful. 
Its free!!
   
  "Ole Bob"

Re: CS>Machine

[Grace1way]

 
Hi Raine:
 
When you brew a batch, how many batteries are you using?  How much  water do 
you use?  How long does it take?  How do you know when it is  done?  Can you 
see changes in the water to let you know it is finished when  you use distilled 
instead of tap water?  Did you ever measure the parts per  million?  If so, 
are you able to consistently produce the same parts per  million in repeated 
trials?
 
Jill
 
In a message dated 12/13/2005 1:43:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rainelov...@sbcglobal.net writes:

I have  this same set-up, and I always use distilled water with it. I've 
never had a  batch not "brew", and I don't use any additives such as  salt.

Re: CS>Machine

[V]

Hi Dan,

You snap them together on edge.  lay them flat on the table and then face them 
toward each other and snapy them together one terminal of one battery to one 
terminal of the other you can daisy chanin together as many as you want like 
this. I have put 100 together befor to make 900 volts. but you can just snap 3 
or 4 together for the silver maker.




Take care,
 V


> Hi Jill,

> Please explain to me how you snap three 9 volt batteries together.
> Last time I tried it the batteries were too fat to allow them to
> mate...

> Dan



  12/12/2005 2:43:38 PM >>>
> If you would like, I can explain further how to make CS using three
> 9-volt  
> batteries snapped together, 2 alligator clips, two silver sticks (.999
> pure),  
> tap water, and a glass measuring cup.
>  
> Jill


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Re: CS>Machine

[Tony Moody]

On 12 Dec 2005 at 11:30, Pat wrote about :
Subject : CS>Machine

> 
> I've read directions to make a colloidal silver machine and they sound like 
> something I can't do. 
> I've been recommended The Colloidal Master Model 777 AC by Synergenesis. What 
> do you all 
> recommend? Those little bottles at the health food stores cost a fortune.
> 
>  Pat
> 

Hi Pat, 

I agree with everything that Jill has just said about making silver water 
using drinking water and simple apparatus. And I go on to say that even 
if you do decide to get an automatic device it is a "good thing" to try 
making a simple CS generator yourself. To learn about connecting up 
simple electrics, the electrolysis process, what makes better CS and 
what makes sludge, etc etc.   

The simplest way is using a single 9 volt battery connected to two pieces 
of silver immersed in water for a few minutes. 

If you are not using distilled water then : 
*  9 volts is more than sufficient.You don't need three batteries.
* The process is really quick. About 3 minutes per glassful is enough.
* Keep the silver the same distance apart each time you make a batch. This will 
make the process a bit more predictable.
* Keep the silver water product cool and dark and it will last at least a day 
and maybe a month. 

Hope this helps.
Tony



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Re: CS>Machine

[Sasha Max]

Pat - 
I can vouch for my Silvergen SG6. I adore it. Very easy to use, no problems
ever, and it makes consistent CS ppm's every time. Just get Walgreen's
distilled water to use to make your CS. 
Sasha 
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Marshall Dudley 
Date: 12/12/05 11:59:27 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CS>Machine 
 
If you get one of the silver Gen units like the SG6 ( http://www.silvergen
com ), or silver puppy units ( http://www.silverpuppy.com ), then all you do
is pour in the distilled water, plug it in, and when the led's say so, use
the CS that it has produced 
Marshall 
Pat wrote: 
I've read directions to make a colloidal silver machine and they sound like
something I can't do. I've been recommended The Colloidal Master Model 777
AC by Synergenesis. What do you all recommend? Those little bottles at the
health food stores cost a fortune. 
 


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Re: CS>Machine

[Grace1way]

I have never had a problem getting the three 9-volt batteries to snap  
together.  Are you using identical batteries from the same manufacturing  
batch?  
Maybe you need to press a little harder.  As with clothing  snaps, they may be 
hard to snap together.  There is only one way they can  go together; two of the 
batteries are side by side, and the third faces these  and connects all three 
together with the snaps.  That leaves two snaps free  to attach alligator 
clips.
 
Jill

Re: CS>Machine

[Robert Berger]

Hi Jill,
   
  What method are you using to test for silver concnetration?
   
  The silver "sticks" are called wires when ordered. When used to brew with the 
are called electrodes. :-) A minor point of infromation.
   
  If you would like a pre-issue copy of my booklet, you might find it useful. 
Its free!!
   
  "Ole Bob"

Re: CS>Machine

[Dan Nave]

Hi Jill,

Please explain to me how you snap three 9 volt batteries together.
Last time I tried it the batteries were too fat to allow them to
mate...

Dan



>>>  12/12/2005 2:43:38 PM >>>
If you would like, I can explain further how to make CS using three
9-volt  
batteries snapped together, 2 alligator clips, two silver sticks (.999
pure),  
tap water, and a glass measuring cup.
 
Jill


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Re: CS>Machine

[Raine]

Hi Jill,

I have this same set-up, and I always use distilled water with it. I've 
never had a batch not "brew", and I don't use any additives such as salt.


Hope this info is helpful,
Raine

grace1...@aol.com wrote:



I don't remember now if the water was supposed to be distilled, with a 
pinch of salt, or drinking water.  I do remember having problems when 
the water was too pure because the process didn't seem to work.  
Perhaps if I had used distilled water, and just waited long enough 
(and had a way to test the PPM as I do now), it would have eventually 
made a good grade of CS.   
 
Jill

Re: CS>Machine

[Grace1way]

"Ole Bob":
 
I got this misinformation about 20 years ago.  I was in a metaphysical  
bookstore, and saw a do-it-yourself colloidal silver kit costing $20.  The  kit 
contained a zip-lock bag, two silver sticks, 2 alligator clips, a drawing  and 
written instructions.  I don't remember now if the water was supposed  to be 
distilled, with a pinch of salt, or drinking water.  I do  remember having 
problems when the water was too pure because the process  didn't seem to work.  
Perhaps if I had used distilled water, and just  waited long enough (and had a 
way 
to test the PPM as I do now), it would have  eventually made a good grade of 
CS.   
 
Jill

Re: CS>Machine

[Jonathan B. Britten]

It would always be best to used distilled water;  to disregard that is 
a bad idea.


The basic information about a "3 nines" device, however, is useful.

In an emergency, ordinary drinking water would work, but would not be 
the preferred method.







On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2005, at 13:18 Asia/Tokyo, Gunar wrote:


Ignorance is NOT a bliss.
Follow the instructions given by Jill at your own peril, folks.
 
What has happened to good, sensible information on this forum???
 
Regards,
Gunar

- Original Message -
From: grace1...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Machine

Buy three new 9 volt batteries; should be identical.
 
Buy two alligator clips (about 1 1/2 feet long) from Radio Shack, or 
wherever.  These are wires covered with plastic, and a metal clip at 
each end.

 
Get two silver sticks .999 pure or similar purity.  Can be sticks or 
flattened, but they should be about 6 inches long.

 
Get a pint glass measuring cup (grocery store).
 
PROCEDURE:
Snap batteries together with contacts facing each other.  There is 
only one way they can go.  This will leave two leads free.  Attach one 
alligator clip to each free lead.  Attach a silver stick to the other 
end of each alligator clip.  Fill the glass measuring cup almost to 
the top with drinking water (not distilled as there are no ions to 
conduct the electricity, and nothing will  happen, at least not for 
hours).  Place the silver sticks in the water, not touching each 
other, taking care not to get the metal alligator clip in the water 
(you don't want to make lead colloid!).  One silver stick will collect 
bubbles, and the other will exude a gray cloud.  If this doesn't 
happen pretty soon, review the above steps and correct anything that 
deviates from the above instructions.  Another reason nothing may 
happen is that the water is too pure (too close to distilled).  Use 
another type of drinking water.  Stand there and watch the process, as 
it may only take 1/2 minute to 3 minutes to make the CS.  When the 
water is only slightly gray, take the silver sticks out of the water, 
and stir the CS with the silver sticks.  Do not stir with anything 
else.  Remove the alligator clips from the batteries.  The batteries 
may be stored snapped together, but if the alligator clips are left 
attached, it will run down the batteries.  Do not store anything wet 
next to the batteries, or they will be corroded.  Using the nylon 
backing of a sponge, rub the silver sticks under running water to 
remove the dark color. 

 
Either drink the CS immediately, or store the remainder in the dark.  
This type of CS will be destroyed by light in 8 minutes, I have been 
told.  Therefore, don't make it under bright lights.  I typically 
drink it the same day I make it, and storing it in the cupboard until 
it is gone. 

 
Best of luck,
 
Jill










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Re: CS>Machine

[Gunar]

Ignorance is NOT a bliss.
Follow the instructions given by Jill at your own peril, folks.

What has happened to good, sensible information on this forum???

Regards,
Gunar

  - Original Message - 
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:40 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Machine


  Buy three new 9 volt batteries; should be identical.

  Buy two alligator clips (about 1 1/2 feet long) from Radio Shack, or 
wherever.  These are wires covered with plastic, and a metal clip at each end.

  Get two silver sticks .999 pure or similar purity.  Can be sticks or 
flattened, but they should be about 6 inches long.

  Get a pint glass measuring cup (grocery store).

  PROCEDURE:
  Snap batteries together with contacts facing each other.  There is only one 
way they can go.  This will leave two leads free.  Attach one alligator clip to 
each free lead.  Attach a silver stick to the other end of each alligator clip. 
 Fill the glass measuring cup almost to the top with drinking water (not 
distilled as there are no ions to conduct the electricity, and nothing will  
happen, at least not for hours).  Place the silver sticks in the water, not 
touching each other, taking care not to get the metal alligator clip in the 
water (you don't want to make lead colloid!).  One silver stick will collect 
bubbles, and the other will exude a gray cloud.  If this doesn't happen pretty 
soon, review the above steps and correct anything that deviates from the above 
instructions.  Another reason nothing may happen is that the water is too pure 
(too close to distilled).  Use another type of drinking water.  Stand there and 
watch the process, as it may only take 1/2 minute to 3 minutes to make the CS.  
When the water is only slightly gray, take the silver sticks out of the water, 
and stir the CS with the silver sticks.  Do not stir with anything else.  
Remove the alligator clips from the batteries.  The batteries may be stored 
snapped together, but if the alligator clips are left attached, it will run 
down the batteries.  Do not store anything wet next to the batteries, or they 
will be corroded.  Using the nylon backing of a sponge, rub the silver sticks 
under running water to remove the dark color.  

  Either drink the CS immediately, or store the remainder in the dark.  This 
type of CS will be destroyed by light in 8 minutes, I have been told.  
Therefore, don't make it under bright lights.  I typically drink it the same 
day I make it, and storing it in the cupboard until it is gone. 

  Best of luck,

  Jill


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Re: CS>Machine

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Regarding this comment:  YES!   Three nine-volt batteries, two 
double-head alligator clips, and two silver strips, packed in a 
zip-lock bag, ought to go everywhere with everyone.  Keep a set in the 
car, in the travel bag, etc.Someone could make a few bucks peddling 
just such an emergency kit, with instructions,  for, say,  ten bucks.


I'd buy a few myself.




On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2005, at 05:10 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote:


Personally, I would consider Jill's method fine for emergency use or if
I had no source of distilled, deionized, or otherwise pure water. Just
keep the concentrations low, the intake as low as possible, and find an
alternative as soon as you reasonably can.



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Re: CS>Machine

[M. G. Devour]

The electrical setup Jill describes is fine, and her warning that the 
job finishes very quickly when using tap water is important if you are 
going to use her recipe.

But we have long ago reached a consensus that using distilled water -- 
and, yes, having to wait for 2 or 3 hours for our CS to be done --  
produces a better product.

If you use tap water, or the more common "pinch of salt" or "drop of 
brine", for more current flow from the start, you will make nothing but 
silver compounds until all the dissolved minerals are used up. 

Given what's found in tap water these days, do you want to drink silver 
chloride, silver flouride, silver nitrate, silver carbonate, silver 
arsenide, silver phosphate, or whatever other random selection of 
chemicals which will be present in trace or gross amounts?

Personally, I would consider Jill's method fine for emergency use or if 
I had no source of distilled, deionized, or otherwise pure water. Just 
keep the concentrations low, the intake as low as possible, and find an 
alternative as soon as you reasonably can.

Either method will work, and could save your life in an urgent 
situation. Most of us want to be a little more cautious about purity 
when we can afford to be.  

Thanks!

Mike D.


> Buy three new 9 volt batteries; should be identical.
> 
> Buy two alligator clips (about 1 1/2 feet long) from Radio Shack, or 
> wherever.  These are wires covered with plastic, and a metal clip at
> each  end.
> 
> Get two silver sticks .999 pure or similar purity.  Can be sticks or 
> flattened, but they should be about 6 inches long.
> 
> Get a pint glass measuring cup (grocery store).
> 
> PROCEDURE:
> Snap batteries together with contacts facing each other.  There is  only
> one way they can go.  This will leave two leads free.  Attach one 
> alligator clip to each free lead.  Attach a silver stick to the other
> end  of each alligator clip.  Fill the glass measuring cup almost to the
> top  with drinking water (not distilled as there are no ions to conduct
> the  electricity, and nothing will 
>  happen, at least not for hours).  Place  the silver sticks in the
>  water, not 
> touching each other, taking care not to get  the metal alligator clip in
> the water (you don't want to make lead  colloid!).  One silver stick
> will collect bubbles, and the other will exude  a gray cloud.  If this
> doesn't happen pretty soon, review the above steps  and correct anything
> that deviates from the above instructions.  Another  reason nothing may
> happen is that the water is too pure (too close to  distilled).  Use
> another type of drinking water.  Stand there and  watch the process, as
> it may only take 1/2 minute to 3 minutes to make the  CS.  When the
> water is only slightly gray, take the silver sticks out of  the water,
> and stir the CS with the silver sticks.  Do not stir with  anything
> else.  Remove the alligator clips from the batteries.  The  batteries
> may be stored snapped together, but if the alligator clips are left 
> attached, it will run down the batteries.  Do not store anything wet
> next  to the batteries, or they will be corroded.  Using the nylon
> backing of a  sponge, rub the silver sticks under running water to
> remove the dark  color.  
> 
> Either drink the CS immediately, or store the remainder in the dark.  
> This type of CS will be destroyed by light in 8 minutes, I have been
> told.   Therefore, don't make it under bright lights.  I typically drink
> it the  same day I make it, and storing it in the cupboard until it is 
> gone. 
> 
> Best of luck,
> 
> Jill
> 

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
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Re: CS>Machine

[Robert Berger]

Jill, Where did you get such misleading information???
   
  Most people on this list use 3- 9 volt batteries and distilled water and make 
good EIS.
   
  It will store in sunlight for months in a clear plastic bottle. No need for 
dark bottles and store on darkness.
   
  I can supply you with data plots using 1.19 volts, 5v, 9v, 12v, 18v, 27v, 
36v, 45v, 55v, 120v, 240v, 300v, 800v, not to mention HVAC to 15,000 volts.
   
  Got to Habor Freight and get a DMM and mesure the current and it will 
surprise you.
   
  "Ole Bob"

grace1...@aol.com wrote:
  Buy three new 9 volt batteries; should be identical.
   
  Buy two alligator clips (about 1 1/2 feet long) from Radio Shack, or 
wherever.  These are wires covered with plastic, and a metal clip at each end.
   
  Get two silver sticks .999 pure or similar purity.  Can be sticks or 
flattened, but they should be about 6 inches long.
   
  Get a pint glass measuring cup (grocery store).
   
  PROCEDURE:
  Snap batteries together with contacts facing each other.  There is only one 
way they can go.  This will leave two leads free.  Attach one alligator clip to 
each free lead.  Attach a silver stick to the other end of each alligator clip. 
 Fill the glass measuring cup almost to the top with drinking water (not 
distilled as there are no ions to conduct the electricity, and nothing will  
happen, at least not for hours).  Place the silver sticks in the water, not 
touching each other, taking care not to get the metal alligator clip in the 
water (you don't want to make lead colloid!).  One silver stick will collect 
bubbles, and the other will exude a gray cloud.  If this doesn't happen pretty 
soon, review the above steps and correct anything that deviates from the above 
instructions.  Another reason nothing may happen is that the water is too pure 
(too close to distilled).  Use another type of drinking water.  Stand there and 
watch the process, as it may only take 1/2 minute to 3 minutes
 to make the CS.  When the water is only slightly gray, take the silver sticks 
out of the water, and stir the CS with the silver sticks.  Do not stir with 
anything else.  Remove the alligator clips from the batteries.  The batteries 
may be stored snapped together, but if the alligator clips are left attached, 
it will run down the batteries.  Do not store anything wet next to the 
batteries, or they will be corroded.  Using the nylon backing of a sponge, rub 
the silver sticks under running water to remove the dark color.  
   
  Either drink the CS immediately, or store the remainder in the dark.  This 
type of CS will be destroyed by light in 8 minutes, I have been told.  
Therefore, don't make it under bright lights.  I typically drink it the same 
day I make it, and storing it in the cupboard until it is gone. 
   
  Best of luck,
   
  Jill
  

Re: CS>Machine

[Grace1way]

Buy three new 9 volt batteries; should be identical.
 
Buy two alligator clips (about 1 1/2 feet long) from Radio Shack, or  
wherever.  These are wires covered with plastic, and a metal clip at each  end.
 
Get two silver sticks .999 pure or similar purity.  Can be sticks or  
flattened, but they should be about 6 inches long.
 
Get a pint glass measuring cup (grocery store).
 
PROCEDURE:
Snap batteries together with contacts facing each other.  There is  only one 
way they can go.  This will leave two leads free.  Attach one  alligator clip 
to each free lead.  Attach a silver stick to the other end  of each alligator 
clip.  Fill the glass measuring cup almost to the top  with drinking water 
(not distilled as there are no ions to conduct the  electricity, and nothing 
will 
 happen, at least not for hours).  Place  the silver sticks in the water, not 
touching each other, taking care not to get  the metal alligator clip in the 
water (you don't want to make lead  colloid!).  One silver stick will collect 
bubbles, and the other will exude  a gray cloud.  If this doesn't happen 
pretty soon, review the above steps  and correct anything that deviates from 
the 
above instructions.  Another  reason nothing may happen is that the water is 
too 
pure (too close to  distilled).  Use another type of drinking water.  Stand 
there and  watch the process, as it may only take 1/2 minute to 3 minutes to 
make the  CS.  When the water is only slightly gray, take the silver sticks out 
of  the water, and stir the CS with the silver sticks.  Do not stir with  
anything else.  Remove the alligator clips from the batteries.  The  batteries 
may 
be stored snapped together, but if the alligator clips are left  attached, it 
will run down the batteries.  Do not store anything wet next  to the 
batteries, or they will be corroded.  Using the nylon backing of a  sponge, rub 
the 
silver sticks under running water to remove the dark  color.  
 
Either drink the CS immediately, or store the remainder in the dark.   This 
type of CS will be destroyed by light in 8 minutes, I have been told.   
Therefore, don't make it under bright lights.  I typically drink it the  same 
day I 
make it, and storing it in the cupboard until it is  gone. 
 
Best of luck,
 
Jill

Re: CS>Machine

[Grace1way]

I've done that for years; it is easy, cheap, and portable.  CS made  that way 
is easily destroyed by light, I understand, so store it in a dark  place.  
Try to consume it immediately, for optimum potency; the silver  tends to settle 
out over time when made by this method.  
 
Also, if you make CS this way, be sure and stand nearby until the process  is 
complete.  Depending on the hardness of the water, the silver may be  ready 
in 30 seconds, to 3 minutes.  If you take a phone call while making  your 
silver, you could return to find black muddy water!
 
Jill

Re: CS>Machine

[Shelli]

I'd be interested.
Shelli

  - Original Message - 
  From: grace1...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 2:43 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Machine


  If you would like, I can explain further how to make CS using three 9-volt 
batteries snapped together, 2 alligator clips, two silver sticks (.999 pure), 
tap water, and a glass measuring cup.

  Jill

Re: CS>Machine

[Marmar845]

In a message dated 12/12/05 1:39:18 PM Central Standard Time, 
pattycake29...@yahoo.com writes:


> I've been recommended The Colloidal Master Model 777 AC by Synergenesis.  
> What do you all recommend

**Hi Pat.  I have a Colloid Master and like it very much.  I've pretty 
much used it daily for three or four years, absolutely trouble-free.  MA

Re: CS>Machine

[Grace1way]

If you would like, I can explain further how to make CS using three 9-volt  
batteries snapped together, 2 alligator clips, two silver sticks (.999 pure),  
tap water, and a glass measuring cup.
 
Jill

Re: CS>Machine

[Marshall Dudley]

If you get one of the silver gen units like the SG6 (
http://www.silvergen.com ), or silver puppy units (
http://www.silverpuppy.com ), then all you do is pour in the distilled
water, plug it in, and when the led's say so, use the CS that it has
produced

Marshall

Pat wrote:

>  I've read directions to make a colloidal silver machine and they
> sound like something I can't do.  I've been recommended The Colloidal
> Master Model 777 AC by Synergenesis.  What do you all recommend?
> Those little bottles at the health food stores cost a fortune.
>
>Pat
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Re: CS>Machine

[V]

Hi Pat,

Its real esay to make a CS machine jsut two pieces of pure silver wire and 3  9 
volt batteries connected together will work fine. 




Take care,
 V


>  I've read directions to make a colloidal  silver machine and they sound
> like something I can't do.  I've  been recommended The Colloidal Master
> Model 777 AC by  Synergenesis.  What do you all recommend?  Those little 
> bottles at the health food stores cost a fortune.
>   
>   Pat
>   

> 
> -
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