RE: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
Dear Richard, Thank you for this post, you are a breath of fresh air and a gentleman too. regards, Tony Moody On 26 Apr 2005 at 17:39, Richard Harris wrote about : Subject : RE: CS>Silver saved Rosemary? > Hi All, > > I thought someone else might supply this insight, but as a FL > Pharmacist of 58 years, I recall many over the counter purchases of > Argyrol and Protargol (I believe). The Argyrol drops were especially > to drop into "sore eyes" caused by gnats flying from one person to the > next and carrying the problem. This was prevalent during hot southern > weather and one's eyes became very sore and light was painful to > them--so the patient became a hermit staying in the dark as they > instilled the silver protein drops--which stained the eyes and the > skin brown. These aqueous solutions were 0.1 to 2% and used as an > antiseptic and germicide for infected mucuous membranes (nose drops). > These solutions were freshly prepared and should be replaced in a few > days or weeks. Samaan finds that while colloidal silver preparations > are less efficient as disinfectants than is ionic silver (e.g.. silver > nitrate) a 1:5000 solution of CS ia a stronger disinfectant than > phenol solution, 1:250. Moreover, the CS solutions are much less > irritating, and are much safer to use than silver nitrate solution. > Information from Arny's Principles of Pharmacy, 4th edition. > > My understanding is that Rosemary received her CSP nose drops to use > in nostrils for a couple weeks, but continued using them for a couple > years (Certainly NOT an ideal patient; however, it can be purchased > OTC. What surprises me is that as a young lady applying makeup and > doing her hair daily during that time before her mirror, she failed to > realize the blue-graying until her teacher asked, "Why are you that > color?" I'm truly sorry about her problem and wish that she would use > some of the proven methods of normalizing her skin. > > Surely if there were many people affected, Milk Cartons would have > pictures of a different victim each week. I praise God that He has > given us this Marvelous Blessing of CS that if properly made, I > believe to be effective for many health problems and free from side > effects other than Herx if large doses taken for very bad problems. > > Sincerely, > ___ > Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist > 448 West Juniata Street > Clermont, FL 34711 > www.rharrisinc.com > http://www.seasilver.com/reh > http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com > > > > -----Original Message- > From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:11 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary? > > > I'd really like to know for sure exactly what form of silver she > used. > Not because I care about her nor about her claims of risk from EIS, > but for the sake of accuracy. It is important to be accurate, > otherwise as we refute her claims, we are as bad as she and those who > promote her story with misleading statements that EIS is risky because > of what happended to her. > > You can't fight quackery with inaccuracies, mis-statements, and > assumptions. Perhaps it can't be truly fought at all, people will > believe what they want to believe, but I do not want to align myself > with any type of quackery by spreading myths or making wrong > statements. Where I can find out enough to make accurate statements > that is what I prefer to do. If there is no verifiable information as > to what exactly she did use, we can say what IS verifiable, namely > that what she used was NOT EIS/CS. At least I think that much is not > arguable? > > This is the hard part of truth. If you are not a liar, or don't want > to be a liar, you must restrict yourself to truth as best you can > determine it: quacks and scam artists of every stripe don't have this > limitation. They are free to say anything at all to obtain their > desired ends. > > sol > > oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I'm thinking, Who cares? Either her doctor made a mistake and/or > >this > woman > >made a mistake in overdosing. She is still alive and doing well. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
Thank You William,
Yes you are right, I did some surfing a few years ago but not lately.
My online time is restricted due to slow dialup and expensive phone
charges. I try to save it for my emails and occasional download of
circuits or interesting relevant information. I'll try to visit the sites you
cite.
Regards,
Tony
On 26 Apr 2005 at 15:21, William Missett wrote about :
Subject : {Spam?} Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemar
> It doesn't look like you've read her website information. Her story is
> posted at: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose2.html and you
> can also get a bigger picture by doing a google on her name and
> checking out the first 10 hits. Check out her debate with Mark Metcalf
> for openers.
>
> You should send her your speculation (her e-mail address is in there
> somewhere) and see if she responds. I'd almost bet she would. She's
> not afraid to rebut, but it looks like Metcalf cornered her. Maybe
> Markie's on to something really big, but the bug in British Columbia
> sounds extremely strange.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tony Moody"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:49 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
>
>
> | Yes Sol,
> | My speculation was in naming the disease. I would be very interested
> to | know of anything else that would fit the picture as we have it.
> Do you have | any thoughts on this? | | She must have had a disease or
> dis-ease or why would she have had | doctors attending(plural)? Why
> was she given so much silver; enough to | give her argyria? What else
> had she been prescribe or was taking? Why | did she have skin
> abrasion done? and why did the skin abrasion operation | get botched?
> | | A prior question should be; was it silver that caused her to turn
> blue? And, | is she really blue? | | While searching for something
> else I noticed the term "blue pus" and | following that thread lead me
> to glanders/melioidosis. Blue pus could have | been the cause of blue
> skin, right? | | I joined the Silver list a long time a go seeking for
> reasons NOT to make | and sell colloidal silver generators. My
> questions were : Is colloidal silver a | scam and can it cause harm? I
> definitely did not want to cause harm and | did want to be aware of
> any psychodynamics. So Rosemary was perhaps | one of the skeletons in
> the CS cupboard and I followed my thoughts for a | while. I was left
> with some facts, she has blue, pockmarked skin. But I was | also left
> with the fact that the pictures and information came from a | Ripley's
> Believe it or not TV strip. An American chewing gum advert!!! Also |
> that the movie colour had been doctored. Also that she looked as
> though | she had had smallpox. | | My guess today is that she was ill
> due to a contaminated vaccination or | due to hugging a sick horse (or
> both). My guess is that antibiotics and the | standard treatments of
> the day, including old time remedies were tried. My | guess is that
> as a result of the ilness/treatments she became pockmarked | and
> scarred. My guess is that although the disease had subsided it had |
> gone quiet and systemic, and that it flared up again when the |
> dermabrasion was done. My guess is that the 'blue" colouration to her
> skin | is also due to scarring and maybe poor circulation too. | |
> I'll also take a bet that Rosemary Jacobs is now still taking silver
> in one | form or another to keep that organism (or cluster of
> organisms) at bay. | | I'd also stick my neck out a bit and take a bet
> that her symptoms would | clear up if she took EIS while phasing out
> the silver compound; the | premise being that the EIS would do the
> "natural silver germicide" against | the offending organism/s and
> might reverse the argyria. According to | Marshall, taking EIS would
> prevent argyria, and not cause argyria as a | silver compound does.
> Anyway there is evidence that argyria could be | reversed by taking
> H2O2. [ note EIS is electrically Isolated silver which is | what we
> make with low voltage connected to two pieces of pure silver |
> immersed in water ] | | enough, | Tony Moody | | | | On 25 Apr 2005 at
> 10:22, sol wrote about : | Subject : Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary? | |
> > I must have missed seeing where anyone knows for certain Rosemary |
> > actually had this disease? Wasn't this just speculation in the | >
> original post? Just want to be clear, speculating can be extremely | >
> interesting, but treating a speculation as fact isn't very productive
> | > of much but myths, so it would be a good idea to keep being clear
> that | > this is a speculative idea, not a fact. In case someone
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
Hi MA, glanders is apparently very close to melioidosis. glanders (glan'derz) a contagious disease of horses communicable, to man, caused by pseudomonas mallei, and marked by purulent inflammation of the mucous membranes and cutaneous eruption of nodules that coalesce and break down, forming deep ulcers, which may end in necrosis of cartilage and bone; the more chronic form is known as farcy. melioidosis (mel"e-oi-do'sis) is a glanders like disease of rodents, transmissible to man, and caused by pseudomonas pseudomallei ref dorlands pocket medical dictionary errhhm I am not on line all the time MA, I check in twice a day, early morning and then some time in the evening. 'cos the phone charges are a bit cheaper. Also I'm on the other side of the world to you, so while you are awake I am probably having a sleep. So something I posted yesterday morning I usually only see that evening or this morning. normally I will answer that and it will go off tonight. Be well, Tony On 26 Apr 2005 at 17:22, marmar...@aol.com wrote about : Subject : Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary? > > OK -- the mystery is solved -- my earlier post went directly to Tony > instead of to the list. So here is my post for the third time -- but > the first time to the list. MA > > > In a message dated 4/26/05 12:54:42 PM Central Daylight Time, > a...@new.co.za writes: > > > My guess today is that she was ill due to a contaminated > vaccination or due to hugging a sick horse (or both). > > > I posted a query regarding this hours ago, and it hasn't shown up > on the list. So I'm posting again. Tony -- what illness would a > horse have that would make a human being sick if they hugged that > horse? MA > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
On 26 Apr 2005 at 13:25, sol wrote about : Subject : Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary? > Tony, > It is indeed fascinating to speculate about her, and your posing of a > disease possibility is the most fascinating one I've read so far. As > Ode just said, something smells of dead rat in her story. The most > > I must have missed discussions of reversing argryia with H202, that > sounds very interesting. What is the protocol? Is it in the archives? > sol > Hi Sol, Yes, I think reversing argyria with H2O2 has been mentioned on the list a few times over the years. I think as recently as a few weeks ago. Too many hits on argyria and H2O2 on my saved messages. Something to do with H2O2 makes the silver particles smaller and colourless and also less active. Will check this later. regards, Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
Jacobs makes abundantly clear on her site and via correspondence that she has no idea what kind of sliver product she took. This simple fact invalidates many of her claims about silver medicine. I did note a few years ago that she testified at some kind of hearing about mild silver protein, I think as a representative of a well-known group, Public Citizen. As MSP is known to cause argyria, I wonder whether Jacobs believes this is what caused her condition. On Wednesday, Apr 27, 2005, at 02:11 Asia/Tokyo, sol wrote: If there is no verifiable information as to what exactly she did use, we can say what IS verifiable, namely that what she used was NOT EIS/CS. At least I think that much is not arguable? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
Richard thank you so much for your insight. I was wondering if you could tell me more about the methods for reversing argyria? I did a web search and only found one. Lori -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] I'm truly sorry about her problem and wish that she would use some of the proven methods of normalizing her skin. Surely if there were many people affected, Milk Cartons would have pictures of a different victim each week. I praise God that He has given us this Marvelous Blessing of CS that if properly made, I believe to be effective for many health problems and free from side effects other than Herx if large doses taken for very bad problems. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
Hi All, I thought someone else might supply this insight, but as a FL Pharmacist of 58 years, I recall many over the counter purchases of Argyrol and Protargol (I believe). The Argyrol drops were especially to drop into "sore eyes" caused by gnats flying from one person to the next and carrying the problem. This was prevalent during hot southern weather and one's eyes became very sore and light was painful to them--so the patient became a hermit staying in the dark as they instilled the silver protein drops--which stained the eyes and the skin brown. These aqueous solutions were 0.1 to 2% and used as an antiseptic and germicide for infected mucuous membranes (nose drops). These solutions were freshly prepared and should be replaced in a few days or weeks. Samaan finds that while colloidal silver preparations are less efficient as disinfectants than is ionic silver (e.g.. silver nitrate) a 1:5000 solution of CS ia a stronger disinfectant than phenol solution, 1:250. Moreover, the CS solutions are much less irritating, and are much safer to use than silver nitrate solution. Information from Arny's Principles of Pharmacy, 4th edition. My understanding is that Rosemary received her CSP nose drops to use in nostrils for a couple weeks, but continued using them for a couple years (Certainly NOT an ideal patient; however, it can be purchased OTC. What surprises me is that as a young lady applying makeup and doing her hair daily during that time before her mirror, she failed to realize the blue-graying until her teacher asked, "Why are you that color?" I'm truly sorry about her problem and wish that she would use some of the proven methods of normalizing her skin. Surely if there were many people affected, Milk Cartons would have pictures of a different victim each week. I praise God that He has given us this Marvelous Blessing of CS that if properly made, I believe to be effective for many health problems and free from side effects other than Herx if large doses taken for very bad problems. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary? I'd really like to know for sure exactly what form of silver she used. Not because I care about her nor about her claims of risk from EIS, but for the sake of accuracy. It is important to be accurate, otherwise as we refute her claims, we are as bad as she and those who promote her story with misleading statements that EIS is risky because of what happended to her. You can't fight quackery with inaccuracies, mis-statements, and assumptions. Perhaps it can't be truly fought at all, people will believe what they want to believe, but I do not want to align myself with any type of quackery by spreading myths or making wrong statements. Where I can find out enough to make accurate statements that is what I prefer to do. If there is no verifiable information as to what exactly she did use, we can say what IS verifiable, namely that what she used was NOT EIS/CS. At least I think that much is not arguable? This is the hard part of truth. If you are not a liar, or don't want to be a liar, you must restrict yourself to truth as best you can determine it: quacks and scam artists of every stripe don't have this limitation. They are free to say anything at all to obtain their desired ends. sol oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: >Hi, > >I'm thinking, Who cares? Either her doctor made a mistake and/or this woman >made a mistake in overdosing. She is still alive and doing well. > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
OK -- the mystery is solved -- my earlier post went directly to Tony instead of to the list. So here is my post for the third time -- but the first time to the list.MA > In a message dated 4/26/05 12:54:42 PM Central Daylight Time, a...@new.co.za > writes: > > > >> My guess today is that she was ill due to a contaminated vaccination or >> due to hugging a sick horse (or both). > > I posted a query regarding this hours ago, and it hasn't shown up on the > list. So I'm posting again. Tony -- what illness would a horse have that > would > make a human being sick if they hugged that horse? MA
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
The huge lie in Rosemary Jacob's story, which entirely discredits her attack, is her very first and only reference to CSP. Every other reference is to "colloidal silver." This is pure disinformation campaign at its finest. Well, CSP is not colloidal silver. It's colloidal silver protein, which in the right dosage, can cause argyria. But the attack is against CS, which can't. Duh? - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary? | Tony, | It is indeed fascinating to speculate about her, and your posing of a | disease possibility is the most fascinating one I've read so far. As | Ode just said, something smells of dead rat in her story. The most | interesting bits are what is left out, which are the bits you are | speculating so interestingly on. I have always wondered why one would | take apparently massive doses of "nose drops" for a sinus condition, | start to turn blue, and keep right on taking it anyway. For years and | years. It just doesn't sound either logical or reasonable, unless there | were some overwhelming reason to keep on. | | Then too, people have said she has been told of possible argryia | reversal treatments and has refused them all. If true, this also makes | absolutely no sense. It would make sense if she were still using an | argryia producing silver product perhaps. | | Speculation is endlessly fascinating, especially with such a totally | weird story with as many questions left unanswered (actually, un-asked) | as in her story as told by quackwatch and reports of what she has said | in interviews. | | My concern was solely that it sounded sort of as if people responding to | your original post had read it as if it was a fact that she had | melioidosis. It is a really inspired speculation, and does fit a lot of | the holes in her story. I have no idea what else might fill those holes | or answer my own questions. | | I must have missed discussions of reversing argryia with H202, that | sounds very interesting. What is the protocol? Is it in the archives? | sol | | Tony Moody wrote: | | >Yes Sol, | >My speculation was in naming the disease. I would be very interested to | >know of anything else that would fit the picture as we have it. Do you have | >any thoughts on this? | > | >She must have had a disease or dis-ease or why would she have had | >doctors attending(plural)? Why was she given so much silver; enough to | >give her argyria? What else had she been prescribe or was taking? Why | >did she have skin abrasion done? and why did the skin abrasion operation | >get botched? | > | >A prior question should be; was it silver that caused her to turn blue? And, | >is she really blue? | > | >While searching for something else I noticed the term "blue pus" and | >following that thread lead me to glanders/melioidosis. Blue pus could have | >been the cause of blue skin, right? | > | > Anyway there is evidence that argyria could be | >reversed by taking H2O2. [ note EIS is electrically Isolated silver which is | >what we make with low voltage connected to two pieces of pure silver | >immersed in water ] | > | >enough, | >Tony Moody | > | > | > | > | > | > | | | -- | No virus found in this outgoing message. | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 | | | -- | The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. | | Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org | | To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com | Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html | | Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com | OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html | | List maintainer: Mike Devour | |
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
Tony, It is indeed fascinating to speculate about her, and your posing of a disease possibility is the most fascinating one I've read so far. As Ode just said, something smells of dead rat in her story. The most interesting bits are what is left out, which are the bits you are speculating so interestingly on. I have always wondered why one would take apparently massive doses of "nose drops" for a sinus condition, start to turn blue, and keep right on taking it anyway. For years and years. It just doesn't sound either logical or reasonable, unless there were some overwhelming reason to keep on. Then too, people have said she has been told of possible argryia reversal treatments and has refused them all. If true, this also makes absolutely no sense. It would make sense if she were still using an argryia producing silver product perhaps. Speculation is endlessly fascinating, especially with such a totally weird story with as many questions left unanswered (actually, un-asked) as in her story as told by quackwatch and reports of what she has said in interviews. My concern was solely that it sounded sort of as if people responding to your original post had read it as if it was a fact that she had melioidosis. It is a really inspired speculation, and does fit a lot of the holes in her story. I have no idea what else might fill those holes or answer my own questions. I must have missed discussions of reversing argryia with H202, that sounds very interesting. What is the protocol? Is it in the archives? sol Tony Moody wrote: Yes Sol, My speculation was in naming the disease. I would be very interested to know of anything else that would fit the picture as we have it. Do you have any thoughts on this? She must have had a disease or dis-ease or why would she have had doctors attending(plural)? Why was she given so much silver; enough to give her argyria? What else had she been prescribe or was taking? Why did she have skin abrasion done? and why did the skin abrasion operation get botched? A prior question should be; was it silver that caused her to turn blue? And, is she really blue? While searching for something else I noticed the term "blue pus" and following that thread lead me to glanders/melioidosis. Blue pus could have been the cause of blue skin, right? Anyway there is evidence that argyria could be reversed by taking H2O2. [ note EIS is electrically Isolated silver which is what we make with low voltage connected to two pieces of pure silver immersed in water ] enough, Tony Moody -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
Yes Sol, My speculation was in naming the disease. I would be very interested to know of anything else that would fit the picture as we have it. Do you have any thoughts on this? She must have had a disease or dis-ease or why would she have had doctors attending(plural)? Why was she given so much silver; enough to give her argyria? What else had she been prescribe or was taking? Why did she have skin abrasion done? and why did the skin abrasion operation get botched? A prior question should be; was it silver that caused her to turn blue? And, is she really blue? While searching for something else I noticed the term "blue pus" and following that thread lead me to glanders/melioidosis. Blue pus could have been the cause of blue skin, right? I joined the Silver list a long time a go seeking for reasons NOT to make and sell colloidal silver generators. My questions were : Is colloidal silver a scam and can it cause harm? I definitely did not want to cause harm and did want to be aware of any psychodynamics. So Rosemary was perhaps one of the skeletons in the CS cupboard and I followed my thoughts for a while. I was left with some facts, she has blue, pockmarked skin. But I was also left with the fact that the pictures and information came from a Ripley's Believe it or not TV strip. An American chewing gum advert!!! Also that the movie colour had been doctored. Also that she looked as though she had had smallpox. My guess today is that she was ill due to a contaminated vaccination or due to hugging a sick horse (or both). My guess is that antibiotics and the standard treatments of the day, including old time remedies were tried. My guess is that as a result of the ilness/treatments she became pockmarked and scarred. My guess is that although the disease had subsided it had gone quiet and systemic, and that it flared up again when the dermabrasion was done. My guess is that the 'blue" colouration to her skin is also due to scarring and maybe poor circulation too. I'll also take a bet that Rosemary Jacobs is now still taking silver in one form or another to keep that organism (or cluster of organisms) at bay. I'd also stick my neck out a bit and take a bet that her symptoms would clear up if she took EIS while phasing out the silver compound; the premise being that the EIS would do the "natural silver germicide" against the offending organism/s and might reverse the argyria. According to Marshall, taking EIS would prevent argyria, and not cause argyria as a silver compound does. Anyway there is evidence that argyria could be reversed by taking H2O2. [ note EIS is electrically Isolated silver which is what we make with low voltage connected to two pieces of pure silver immersed in water ] enough, Tony Moody On 25 Apr 2005 at 10:22, sol wrote about : Subject : Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary? > I must have missed seeing where anyone knows for certain Rosemary > actually had this disease? Wasn't this just speculation in the > original post? Just want to be clear, speculating can be extremely > interesting, but treating a speculation as fact isn't very productive > of much but myths, so it would be a good idea to keep being clear that > this is a speculative idea, not a fact. In case someone comes in the > middle of the thread. sol > > Tony Moody wrote: > > >OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch > >put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on > >melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! > > > >If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the > >public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare > >scam. > > > >the first one : > >DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information > >... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... > >Melioidosis, also called Whitmores disease, is an infectious disease > >caused by the ... > >www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k > > > > > >Why has melioidosis become a current issue? > > > >Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered as > >a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
I'd really like to know for sure exactly what form of silver she used. Not because I care about her nor about her claims of risk from EIS, but for the sake of accuracy. It is important to be accurate, otherwise as we refute her claims, we are as bad as she and those who promote her story with misleading statements that EIS is risky because of what happended to her. You can't fight quackery with inaccuracies, mis-statements, and assumptions. Perhaps it can't be truly fought at all, people will believe what they want to believe, but I do not want to align myself with any type of quackery by spreading myths or making wrong statements. Where I can find out enough to make accurate statements that is what I prefer to do. If there is no verifiable information as to what exactly she did use, we can say what IS verifiable, namely that what she used was NOT EIS/CS. At least I think that much is not arguable? This is the hard part of truth. If you are not a liar, or don't want to be a liar, you must restrict yourself to truth as best you can determine it: quacks and scam artists of every stripe don't have this limitation. They are free to say anything at all to obtain their desired ends. sol oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: Hi, I'm thinking, Who cares? Either her doctor made a mistake and/or this woman made a mistake in overdosing. She is still alive and doing well. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
Payment [aka payoff] is not always in money. If expenses are being paid, the other payoffs become more worth persuing. Ode At 12:37 PM 4/25/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Early on, about the same time I joined this list as an inquiring journalist, >I interviewed Rosemary for my planned magazine piece (never produced because >no one would buy it). > >I put the question to her in several different ways as to whether she was >benefitting in any way from her opposition to CS, and she swore up and down >to several different questions, that she was not and had not been paid by >anyone to prompt her crusade. She said the only funds she ever took from >anyone was one time she had her expenses to a "new age" fair paid for, so >she could go and show everybody what happens when you consume CS. (She >would not address the issue of validating her attack on CS when she doesn't >even know what form of silver she consumed). > >Unless she was flat out lying to me, she isn't a paid shill for the >pharmacartels, just one very misguided, bitter victim of argyria, who >blindly blames CS for her problem. > > >- Original Message - >From: "Marshall Dudley" >To: >Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:45 AM >Subject: Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary? > > >| All I can say is she must be getting paid well. She is first messed up by >a >| doctor giving her silver nitrate, then messed up more by one trying to do >| dermabration on her. So what does she do, she sides with the doctors >against >| a natural way of curing thing that does not cause argyria and tries to say >| that it is what caused hers. The only reason I can think of that she >would >| side those that did this to her and direct her accusations against a cure >the >| doctors don't want people to know about is if they are paying her very >very >| well. >| >| I hope the money is worth it for her, I am sure she will pay for this >| deception sometime. >| >| Marshall >| >| "M. G. Devour" wrote: >| >| > All I ever heard about Rosemary is that she took silver-bearing nose >| > drops for several years for sinus trouble. Probably not life- >| > threatening, and nothing so complicated as you're speculation below. >| > >| > They were obviously some form of silver salts, with high enough >| > concentration to exceed her body's eliminative mechanism over time and >| > cause generalized argyria. >| > >| > The patchiness on her face was caused by a ham-fisted attempt at >| > dermabrasion by another highly qualified (NOT!) physician. >| > >| > Be well, >| > >| > Mike D. >| > >| > > OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch >| > > put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on >| > > melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! >| > > >| > > If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the >| > > public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare >| > > scam. >| > > >| > > the first one : >| > > DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information >| > > ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... >| > > Melioidosis, also >| > > called Whitmore's disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... >| > > www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k >| > > >| > > >| > > Why has melioidosis become a current issue? >| > > >| > > Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered >| > > as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. >| > > >| > > >| > > Tony >| > > >| > > >| > > -- >| > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >| > > >| > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >| > > >| > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >| > > Silver List archive: >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >| > > >| > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >| > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >| > > >| > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >| > > >| > >| > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] >| > [mdev...@eskimo.com] >| > [Speaking only for myself... ] >| >| > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
If those nose drops were commonly prescribed back then, it shouldn't be all that difficult to track down a range of what they could have been...identified the bottling and have Rosemary pick out "the" one. Why that hasn't been done or why the actual range of substances it 'could have been' has not been revealed for further narrowing of identification is the next question. There be rat smells in that story. It be akin to a kangaroo court. Ode At 12:39 PM 4/25/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >So if she doesn't know what form of silver she used, why is it so often >said she took/used silver nitrate? >Is this a "best guess" someone made or is there some actual information >somewhere? Seems like if this info was available, she would know what >she took. IIRR I thought I read somewhere that it is thought by someone >that she used a ground silver metal product, but my memory isn't great >and that could be a mis-reading or confusion on my part. >sol > > >William Missett wrote: > >>Early on, about the same time I joined this list as an inquiring journalist, >>I interviewed Rosemary for my planned magazine piece (never produced because >>no one would buy it). >> (She >>would not address the issue of validating her attack on CS when she doesn't >>even know what form of silver she consumed). >> >> >> >> > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary? From: alchemySA wrote: Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:43:43 >Quackwatch loves Rosemary because she is a 'hit magnet'. >Thats why they'll never change the site. >David Ya, and she'll say bad things about Colloidal Silver 'til she's blue in the face... ;-)) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
Quackwatch loves Rosemary because she is a 'hit magnet'. Thats why they'll never change the site. David Tony Moody wrote: >OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch >put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on >melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! > >If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the >public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare >scam. > >the first one : >DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information >... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... >Melioidosis, also >called Whitmores disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... >www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k > > >Why has melioidosis become a current issue? > >Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered >as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. > > > > >
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
sol wrote: > So if she doesn't know what form of silver she used, why is it so often > said she took/used silver nitrate? I believe that information came from an FDA paper on it. Does anyone remember. I know that I read it WAS silver nitrate one or more places, but don't have the urls handy. Marshall > > Is this a "best guess" someone made or is there some actual information > somewhere? Seems like if this info was available, she would know what > she took. IIRR I thought I read somewhere that it is thought by someone > that she used a ground silver metal product, but my memory isn't great > and that could be a mis-reading or confusion on my part. > > sol > > William Missett wrote: > > >Early on, about the same time I joined this list as an inquiring journalist, > >I interviewed Rosemary for my planned magazine piece (never produced because > >no one would buy it). > > (She > >would not address the issue of validating her attack on CS when she doesn't > >even know what form of silver she consumed). > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
So if she doesn't know what form of silver she used, why is it so often said she took/used silver nitrate? Is this a "best guess" someone made or is there some actual information somewhere? Seems like if this info was available, she would know what she took. IIRR I thought I read somewhere that it is thought by someone that she used a ground silver metal product, but my memory isn't great and that could be a mis-reading or confusion on my part. sol William Missett wrote: Early on, about the same time I joined this list as an inquiring journalist, I interviewed Rosemary for my planned magazine piece (never produced because no one would buy it). (She would not address the issue of validating her attack on CS when she doesn't even know what form of silver she consumed). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
Early on, about the same time I joined this list as an inquiring journalist, I interviewed Rosemary for my planned magazine piece (never produced because no one would buy it). I put the question to her in several different ways as to whether she was benefitting in any way from her opposition to CS, and she swore up and down to several different questions, that she was not and had not been paid by anyone to prompt her crusade. She said the only funds she ever took from anyone was one time she had her expenses to a "new age" fair paid for, so she could go and show everybody what happens when you consume CS. (She would not address the issue of validating her attack on CS when she doesn't even know what form of silver she consumed). Unless she was flat out lying to me, she isn't a paid shill for the pharmacartels, just one very misguided, bitter victim of argyria, who blindly blames CS for her problem. - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary? | All I can say is she must be getting paid well. She is first messed up by a | doctor giving her silver nitrate, then messed up more by one trying to do | dermabration on her. So what does she do, she sides with the doctors against | a natural way of curing thing that does not cause argyria and tries to say | that it is what caused hers. The only reason I can think of that she would | side those that did this to her and direct her accusations against a cure the | doctors don't want people to know about is if they are paying her very very | well. | | I hope the money is worth it for her, I am sure she will pay for this | deception sometime. | | Marshall | | "M. G. Devour" wrote: | | > All I ever heard about Rosemary is that she took silver-bearing nose | > drops for several years for sinus trouble. Probably not life- | > threatening, and nothing so complicated as you're speculation below. | > | > They were obviously some form of silver salts, with high enough | > concentration to exceed her body's eliminative mechanism over time and | > cause generalized argyria. | > | > The patchiness on her face was caused by a ham-fisted attempt at | > dermabrasion by another highly qualified (NOT!) physician. | > | > Be well, | > | > Mike D. | > | > > OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch | > > put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on | > > melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! | > > | > > If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the | > > public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare | > > scam. | > > | > > the first one : | > > DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information | > > ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... | > > Melioidosis, also | > > called Whitmore's disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... | > > www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k | > > | > > | > > Why has melioidosis become a current issue? | > > | > > Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered | > > as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. | > > | > > | > > Tony | > > | > > | > > -- | > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. | > > | > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org | > > | > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com | > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html | > > | > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com | > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html | > > | > > List maintainer: Mike Devour | > > | > | > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] | > [mdev...@eskimo.com] | > [Speaking only for myself... ] | |
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
All I can say is she must be getting paid well. She is first messed up by a doctor giving her silver nitrate, then messed up more by one trying to do dermabration on her. So what does she do, she sides with the doctors against a natural way of curing thing that does not cause argyria and tries to say that it is what caused hers. The only reason I can think of that she would side those that did this to her and direct her accusations against a cure the doctors don't want people to know about is if they are paying her very very well. I hope the money is worth it for her, I am sure she will pay for this deception sometime. Marshall "M. G. Devour" wrote: > All I ever heard about Rosemary is that she took silver-bearing nose > drops for several years for sinus trouble. Probably not life- > threatening, and nothing so complicated as you're speculation below. > > They were obviously some form of silver salts, with high enough > concentration to exceed her body's eliminative mechanism over time and > cause generalized argyria. > > The patchiness on her face was caused by a ham-fisted attempt at > dermabrasion by another highly qualified (NOT!) physician. > > Be well, > > Mike D. > > > OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch > > put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on > > melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! > > > > If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the > > public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare > > scam. > > > > the first one : > > DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information > > ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... > > Melioidosis, also > > called Whitmores disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... > > www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k > > > > > > Why has melioidosis become a current issue? > > > > Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered > > as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
I must have missed seeing where anyone knows for certain Rosemary actually had this disease? Wasn't this just speculation in the original post? Just want to be clear, speculating can be extremely interesting, but treating a speculation as fact isn't very productive of much but myths, so it would be a good idea to keep being clear that this is a speculative idea, not a fact. In case someone comes in the middle of the thread. sol Tony Moody wrote: OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare scam. the first one : DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... Melioidosis, also called Whitmore’s disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k Why has melioidosis become a current issue? Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver saved Rosemary?
All I ever heard about Rosemary is that she took silver-bearing nose drops for several years for sinus trouble. Probably not life- threatening, and nothing so complicated as you're speculation below. They were obviously some form of silver salts, with high enough concentration to exceed her body's eliminative mechanism over time and cause generalized argyria. The patchiness on her face was caused by a ham-fisted attempt at dermabrasion by another highly qualified (NOT!) physician. Be well, Mike D. > OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch > put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on > melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! > > If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the > public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare > scam. > > the first one : > DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information > ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... > Melioidosis, also > called Whitmores disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... > www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k > > > Why has melioidosis become a current issue? > > Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered > as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. > > > Tony > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
