Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Ode Coyote]

  Didn't know if it did work, for that very reason, but it does, so there 
must be something else to it.

Could it be.

 Liquid interface as the highly hygroscopic "pulling" attributes draw out 
body fluids to replace that which is evaporating from the gels *exposed to 
drier air* surface.

Infections and wounds are generally wet.

Ode


At 01:59 PM 7/29/2009 -1000, you wrote:

How does CS gel work if it is in a gel like medium?

shar




On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Ode Coyote 
<odecoy...@windstream.net> wrote:


 The body isn't agar.
 Have him test it in a liquid medium.
Or actually flood the sample with dilute CS that would mimic being washed 
with body fluids.


What he demonstrated is why CS doesn't kill the flora in the gut.

Ode



At 09:09 AM 7/27/2009 -0500, you wrote:

I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.

He says:

"I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus
pneumoniae.

 "I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no
inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the
bottle you provided.  I am wondering whether in vivo there is another
mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique.
I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please
pass them on."


Thanks,

Dan


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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Sharlene Miyamura]

How does CS gel work if it is in a gel like medium?

shar




On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Ode Coyote wrote:

>
>  The body isn't agar.
>  Have him test it in a liquid medium.
> Or actually flood the sample with dilute CS that would mimic being washed
> with body fluids.
>
> What he demonstrated is why CS doesn't kill the flora in the gut.
>
> Ode
>
>
>
> At 09:09 AM 7/27/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>  I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
>> met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
>> have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
>> willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
>> response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
>> properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.
>>
>> He says:
>>
>> "I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
>> use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
>> bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
>> the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
>> through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
>> commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
>> organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
>> Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
>> Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus
>> pneumoniae.
>>
>>  "I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no
>> inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the
>> bottle you provided.  I am wondering whether in vivo there is another
>> mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique.
>> I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please
>> pass them on."
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Dan Nave]

I am using g-mail for the silver list because of the problem of
getting the silver_list on comcast.net.

The g-mail automatically hides all the quoted text, and only showed
Marshall's reply, so I didn't even know that it might appear that I
was replying to dee.  Also, g-mail insists on organizing the posts in
topical format, so it is also difficult to get a sense of how old some
of the posts really are.

At first read, Marshall's post seemed a bit exasperated or defensive
that we would even attempt to test something that he had done ages
ago... but it is easy to misinterpret this sort of thing.  I know that
he is pretty steady emotionally so I didn't feel it would be a problem
if I tweaked his nose once or twice...  ;-))

Dan

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:40 AM, M. G. Devour wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>> This was connected to Marshall's post, not yours.
>>
>> Marshall has the outdated notion that you have to reply at the end of a
>> post rather than at the beginning, so when he quoted your post, it may
>> have looked like your post.  His reply is at the bottom.
>>
>> Sorry if it seemed to be directed at you.
>
> And it's an excellent demonstration of why you should edit your post
> before sending so that only quoted text relevant to your point is
> included! 
>
> Oh, and I didn't choose to read Marshall's reply as seeming to be smug
> or critical, though I can see that his phrasing might not have been
> sufficiently nuanced to avoid that impression if you look for it...
>
> Carry on!
>
> Mike D.
> dat list owner guy
>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick
>> wrote: > This is not me being uppity as you put it, but asking a genuine
>> question!
>
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[M. G. Devour]

Dan wrote:
> This was connected to Marshall's post, not yours.
> 
> Marshall has the outdated notion that you have to reply at the end of a
> post rather than at the beginning, so when he quoted your post, it may
> have looked like your post.  His reply is at the bottom.
> 
> Sorry if it seemed to be directed at you.

And it's an excellent demonstration of why you should edit your post 
before sending so that only quoted text relevant to your point is 
included! 

Oh, and I didn't choose to read Marshall's reply as seeming to be smug 
or critical, though I can see that his phrasing might not have been 
sufficiently nuanced to avoid that impression if you look for it...

Carry on!

Mike D.
dat list owner guy

> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick
> wrote: > This is not me being uppity as you put it, but asking a genuine
> question! 

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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Ode Coyote]

  Any liquid has Brownian motion going on all the time, if not also 
thermal  convection that occurs when temperatures change...both, kinetic 
energies.


ode


OdeAt 04:02 PM 7/28/2009 -0500, you wrote:


Static as in still, unmoving, opposite; kinetic as in motion, movement

Annie


cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

Different from what?
What do you mean by static?
Do you not cook?

A broth is a kind of soup or soup base. It's a liquid, therefore
anything placed in it, such as CS, disperses through out.

Agar is jellylike. CS would stay near where it was placed, not
disperse, therefore not be effective.

Chuck
Careful. We don't want to learn from this. - Calvin & Hobbes

On 7/28/2009 7:23:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:


why would this be different please?  I would have thought both liquids
would be static.  dee
On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:39, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

Boil, simmer chicken bones, carcass...
The liquid is a broth.

Chuck
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Annie B Smythe]

Static as in still, unmoving, opposite; kinetic as in motion, movement

Annie


cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

Different from what?
What do you mean by static?
Do you not cook?

A broth is a kind of soup or soup base. It's a liquid, therefore
anything placed in it, such as CS, disperses through out.

Agar is jellylike. CS would stay near where it was placed, not
disperse, therefore not be effective.

Chuck
Careful. We don't want to learn from this. - Calvin & Hobbes

On 7/28/2009 7:23:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
  

why would this be different please?  I would have thought both liquids
would be static.  dee
On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:39, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

Boil, simmer chicken bones, carcass...
The liquid is a broth.

Chuck
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[cking001]

Different from what?
What do you mean by static?
Do you not cook?

A broth is a kind of soup or soup base. It's a liquid, therefore
anything placed in it, such as CS, disperses through out.

Agar is jellylike. CS would stay near where it was placed, not
disperse, therefore not be effective.

Chuck
Careful. We don't want to learn from this. - Calvin & Hobbes

On 7/28/2009 7:23:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
> why would this be different please?  I would have thought both liquids
> would be static.  dee
> On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:39, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
> 
> Boil, simmer chicken bones, carcass...
> The liquid is a broth.
> 
> Chuck
> Ham and Eggs. Just a day's work for a chicken but a lifetime
> commitment for a pig.
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[cking001]

Spray and wipe.
Cover the surface with CS.

Chuck
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough"
--Mario Andretti 


On 7/28/2009 6:37:26 AM, Ken & Nancy Bagwell (kenancy2...@yahoo.com)
wrote:
> Does this imply that CS is not good for hard surface sterilization?
> 
> Sorry,
> I'm just coming in on the conversation.
> 
> -Ken Bagwell
> 
> 
> 
> -
> From: Ode Coyote 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:43:51 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
> 
> 
> 
> If you have dire rear, the contents of the intestine are no longer a semi 
> solid.
> 
> Ode
> 
> 
> At 06:28 PM 7/27/2009 +0100, you wrote:
> > what is broths please? and if CS doesn't
> kill anything in the intestines, how come it helps with dogs with sickness
> and diarrhoea (and people)? dee
> >
> > On 27 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> >
> >> Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >>> t
> >> Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10
> years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar plates.
> This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little or no
> effect on bacteria in the intestines. We ran tests on broths, and agar
> plates. There was 100% kills
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Marshall Dudley]

Ken & Nancy Bagwell wrote:

Does this imply that CS is not good for hard surface sterilization?
No, CS when applied to a hard surface is liquid, and as long as the 
pathogen is on the surface, it can get to it.


Marshall


Sorry, I'm just coming in on the conversation.

-Ken Bagwell


*From:* Ode Coyote 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:43:51 AM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory



  If you have dire rear, the contents of the intestine are no longer a 
semi solid.


Ode


At 06:28 PM 7/27/2009 +0100, you wrote:
> what is broths please?  and if CS doesn't kill anything in the 
intestines, how come it helps with dogs with sickness and diarrhoea 
(and people)? dee

>
> On 27 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Marshall Dudley wrote:
>
>> Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> t
>> Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 
10 years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar 
plates. This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little 
or no effect on bacteria in the intestines.  We ran tests on broths, 
and agar plates.  There was 100% kills on the broths and 0% kill on 
the agar.  The reason is simple, colloidal silver has to be mobile to 
find and kill pathogens, on the agar plates it becomes fixed and 
immobile, and thus is unable to contact or kill anything.  This is not 
new news, but simply confirmation of what we already know.

>>
>> Marshall
>>
>>
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Marshall Dudley]

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
why would this be different please?  I would have thought both liquids 
would be static.  dee


On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:39, cking...@nycap.rr.com 
 wrote:



Boil, simmer chicken bones, carcass...
The liquid is a broth.

Chuck
Ham and Eggs. Just a day's work for a chicken but a lifetime
commitment for a pig.





No, liquids are never static. Look up Browning movement.

Marshall


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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

thanks Marshall, that has made it much clearer and I will save it for  
future reference.  dee


On 27 Jul 2009, at 21:36, Marshall Dudley wrote:


We have to go through this every year or so.

1. CS must have mobility to come in contact with pathogens and kill  
them.  If there is no contact, there is no action.
2. CS will therefore have very limited killing power in any medium  
which is solid, or semisolid. This includes such things as gelatin  
and a healthy stool.
3. CS kills both aerobic and anaerobic microorganisms, there  
generally are no Good vs Bad microorganisms, only misplaced  
organisms.  IE. yeast in your bread or beer is good, in your  
intestines, vagina or blood stream is bad. Likewise E coli is good  
in your intestines, but bad in your blood or vagina.  When people  
say that CS does not kill good bacteria because it generally does  
not wipe out the good flora in the intestines, they are mistaken, it  
is not because the bacteria are good and CS somehow has this magical  
capability to tell if the bacteria is good or bad in that  
environment, but rather the medium is semisolid so the CS has no  
mobility.

Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

why would this be different please?  I would have thought both liquids  
would be static.  dee


On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:39, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:


Boil, simmer chicken bones, carcass...
The liquid is a broth.

Chuck
Ham and Eggs. Just a day's work for a chicken but a lifetime
commitment for a pig.

Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Ken & Nancy Bagwell]

Does this imply that CS is not good for hard surface sterilization?

Sorry, I'm just coming in on the conversation.

-Ken Bagwell





From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:43:51 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory



  If you have dire rear, the contents of the intestine are no longer a semi 
solid.

Ode


At 06:28 PM 7/27/2009 +0100, you wrote:
> what is broths please?  and if CS doesn't kill anything in the intestines, 
> how come it helps with dogs with sickness and diarrhoea (and people)? dee
> 
> On 27 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> 
>> Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> t
>> Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 years 
>> ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar plates. This 
>> is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little or no effect on 
>> bacteria in the intestines.  We ran tests on broths, and agar plates.  There 
>> was 100% kills on the broths and 0% kill on the agar.  The reason is simple, 
>> colloidal silver has to be mobile to find and kill pathogens, on the agar 
>> plates it becomes fixed and immobile, and thus is unable to contact or kill 
>> anything.  This is not new news, but simply confirmation of what we already 
>> know.
>> 
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>> --


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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Ode Coyote]

  If you have dire rear, the contents of the intestine are no longer a 
semi solid.


Ode


At 06:28 PM 7/27/2009 +0100, you wrote:
what is broths please?  and if CS doesn't kill anything in the intestines, 
how come it helps with dogs with sickness and diarrhoea (and people)? dee


On 27 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Marshall Dudley wrote:


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

t
Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 
years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar 
plates. This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little or 
no effect on bacteria in the intestines.  We ran tests on broths, and 
agar plates.  There was 100% kills on the broths and 0% kill on the 
agar.  The reason is simple, colloidal silver has to be mobile to find 
and kill pathogens, on the agar plates it becomes fixed and immobile, and 
thus is unable to contact or kill anything.  This is not new news, but 
simply confirmation of what we already know.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Ode Coyote]

 The body isn't agar.
 Have him test it in a liquid medium.
Or actually flood the sample with dilute CS that would mimic being washed 
with body fluids.


What he demonstrated is why CS doesn't kill the flora in the gut.

Ode


At 09:09 AM 7/27/2009 -0500, you wrote:

I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.

He says:

"I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus
pneumoniae.

 "I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no
inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the
bottle you provided.  I am wondering whether in vivo there is another
mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique.
I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please
pass them on."


Thanks,

Dan


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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Marshall Dudley]

We have to go through this every year or so.

1. CS must have mobility to come in contact with pathogens and kill 
them.  If there is no contact, there is no action.
2. CS will therefore have very limited killing power in any medium which 
is solid, or semisolid. This includes such things as gelatin and a 
healthy stool.
3. CS kills both aerobic and anaerobic microorganisms, there generally 
are no Good vs Bad microorganisms, only misplaced organisms.  IE. yeast 
in your bread or beer is good, in your intestines, vagina or blood 
stream is bad. Likewise E coli is good in your intestines, but bad in 
your blood or vagina.  When people say that CS does not kill good 
bacteria because it generally does not wipe out the good flora in the 
intestines, they are mistaken, it is not because the bacteria are good 
and CS somehow has this magical capability to tell if the bacteria is 
good or bad in that environment, but rather the medium is semisolid so 
the CS has no mobility.
4. If the contents of the intestines are liquid, IE with diarrhea then 
CS has mobility and will kill everything there quite well.  If you take 
CS to kill something in the intestines due to diarrhea, then once it is 
killed, you need to take probiotics, since it will kill both the 
beneficial flora as well as the organism causing the problem. Once the 
contents become semisolid again, the CS has limited if any effect at all.


Marshall

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
what is broths please?  and if CS doesn't kill anything in the 
intestines, how come it helps with dogs with sickness and diarrhoea 
(and people)? dee


On 27 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Marshall Dudley wrote:


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

t

Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 
years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar 
plates. This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has 
little or no effect on bacteria in the intestines.  We ran tests on 
broths, and agar plates.  There was 100% kills on the broths and 0% 
kill on the agar.  The reason is simple, colloidal silver has to be 
mobile to find and kill pathogens, on the agar plates it becomes 
fixed and immobile, and thus is unable to contact or kill anything. 
 This is not new news, but simply confirmation of what we already know.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Leslie]

What is he saying?? Did it work at all on his plates of bacteria??
  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:23 AM
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  Ask him to try the sol in broth, not plated media. 


  On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Dan Nave  wrote:

I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.

He says:

"I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus
pneumoniae.

 "I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no
inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the
bottle you provided.  I am wondering whether in vivo there is another
mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique.
I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please
pass them on."


Thanks,

Dan


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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[cking001]

Boil, simmer chicken bones, carcass...
The liquid is a broth.

Chuck
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On 7/27/2009 1:28:46 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
> what is broths please?  and if CS doesn't kill anything in the intestines, 
> how come it helps with dogs with sickness and diarrhoea (and people)? dee
> On 27 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> 
> Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
> t
> Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 years 
> ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar plates. This is 
> a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little or no effect on 
> bacteria in the intestines.  We ran tests on broths, and agar plates.  There 
> was 100% kills on the broths and 0% kill on the agar.  The reason is simple, 
> colloidal silver has to be mobile to find and kill pathogens, on the agar 
> plates it becomes fixed and immobile, and thus is unable to contact or kill 
> anything.  This is not new news, but simply confirmation of what we already 
> know.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Marshall Dudley]

Depends on the group. I have been lambasted just as many times for "top 
posting", and as far as I know this list has never specified a preference.


Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:

This was connected to Marshall's post, not yours.

Marshall has the outdated notion that you have to reply at the end of
a post rather than at the beginning, so when he quoted your post, it
may have looked like your post.  His reply is at the bottom.

Sorry if it seemed to be directed at you.

Dan

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
  

This is not me being uppity as you put it, but asking a genuine question!
 Now there is more information being posted, I can see that the tests were
not the same, so now I'm waiting for all input so I can see for myself
hopefully.  dee
On 27 Jul 2009, at 18:31, Dan Nave wrote:

Now, don't get uppity...

It is always nice to get confirmation from an independent professional.

I'll forward the information.

Dan







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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

No problem.  dee

On 27 Jul 2009, at 18:56, Dan Nave wrote:


This was connected to Marshall's post, not yours.

Marshall has the outdated notion that you have to reply at the end of
a post rather than at the beginning, so when he quoted your post, it
may have looked like your post.  His reply is at the bottom.

Sorry if it seemed to be directed at you.

Dan

Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Dan Nave]

This was connected to Marshall's post, not yours.

Marshall has the outdated notion that you have to reply at the end of
a post rather than at the beginning, so when he quoted your post, it
may have looked like your post.  His reply is at the bottom.

Sorry if it seemed to be directed at you.

Dan

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
> This is not me being uppity as you put it, but asking a genuine question!
>  Now there is more information being posted, I can see that the tests were
> not the same, so now I'm waiting for all input so I can see for myself
> hopefully.  dee
> On 27 Jul 2009, at 18:31, Dan Nave wrote:
>
> Now, don't get uppity...
>
> It is always nice to get confirmation from an independent professional.
>
> I'll forward the information.
>
> Dan
>
>
>


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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

This is not me being uppity as you put it, but asking a genuine  
question!  Now there is more information being posted, I can see that  
the tests were not the same, so now I'm waiting for all input so I can  
see for myself hopefully.  dee


On 27 Jul 2009, at 18:31, Dan Nave wrote:


Now, don't get uppity...

It is always nice to get confirmation from an independent  
professional.


I'll forward the information.

Dan

Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Dan Nave]

Thanks, will do this.

Dan

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Jim Holmes wrote:
> Ask him to try the sol in broth, not plated media.
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Dan Nave  wrote:
>>
>> I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
>> met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
>> have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
>> willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
>> response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
>> properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.
>>
>> He says:
>>
>> "I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
>> use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
>> bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
>> the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
>> through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
>> commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
>> organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
>> Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
>> Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus
>> pneumoniae.
>>
>>  "I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no
>> inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the
>> bottle you provided.  I am wondering whether in vivo there is another
>> mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique.
>> I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please
>> pass them on."
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Dan Nave]

No, not in this case at least.

Dan

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM,  wrote:
> Could the CS have been made using dead batteries?
>
> It's happened to one lister before.
>
>                                                Chuck
> I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol
>
> On 7/27/2009 10:41:07 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
>> the test used in the article someone posted was the same method as this,
>> and *they* reported that all organisms were killed.  How come?  dee
>> On 27 Jul 2009, at 15:09, Dan Nave wrote:
>>
>> I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
>> met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
>> have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
>> willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
>> response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
>> properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.
>>
>> He says:
>>
>> "I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
>> use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
>> bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
>> the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
>> through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
>> commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
>> organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
>> Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
>> Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Dan Nave]

Now, don't get uppity...

It is always nice to get confirmation from an independent professional.

I'll forward the information.

Dan

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>
>> the test used in the article someone posted was the same method as this,
>> and *they* reported that all organisms were killed.  How come?  dee
>>
>> On 27 Jul 2009, at 15:09, Dan Nave wrote:
>>
>>> I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
>>> met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
>>> have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
>>> willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
>>> response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
>>> properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.
>>>
>>> He says:
>>>
>>> "I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
>>> use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
>>> bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
>>> the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
>>> through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
>>> commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
>>> organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
>>> Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
>>> Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus
>>> pneumoniae.
>>>
>>
> Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 years
> ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar plates. This
> is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little or no effect on
> bacteria in the intestines.  We ran tests on broths, and agar plates.  There
> was 100% kills on the broths and 0% kill on the agar.  The reason is simple,
> colloidal silver has to be mobile to find and kill pathogens, on the agar
> plates it becomes fixed and immobile, and thus is unable to contact or kill
> anything.  This is not new news, but simply confirmation of what we already
> know.
>
> Marshall
>
>
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

what is broths please?  and if CS doesn't kill anything in the  
intestines, how come it helps with dogs with sickness and diarrhoea  
(and people)? dee


On 27 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Marshall Dudley wrote:


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

t

Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list  
10 years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on  
agar plates. This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has  
little or no effect on bacteria in the intestines.  We ran tests on  
broths, and agar plates.  There was 100% kills on the broths and 0%  
kill on the agar.  The reason is simple, colloidal silver has to be  
mobile to find and kill pathogens, on the agar plates it becomes  
fixed and immobile, and thus is unable to contact or kill anything.   
This is not new news, but simply confirmation of what we already know.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[cking001]

Could the CS have been made using dead batteries?

It's happened to one lister before.

Chuck
I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol

On 7/27/2009 10:41:07 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
> the test used in the article someone posted was the same method as this,
> and *they* reported that all organisms were killed.  How come?  dee
> On 27 Jul 2009, at 15:09, Dan Nave wrote:
> 
> I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
> met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
> have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
> willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
> response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
> properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.
> 
> He says:
> 
> "I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
> use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
> bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
> the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
> through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
> commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
> organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
> Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
> Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group 
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[Trem]

Right on, Jim.

Trem

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  Subject: Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory


  Ask him to try the sol in broth, not plated media. 


  On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Dan Nave  wrote:

I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.

He says:

"I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus
pneumoniae.

 "I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no
inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the
bottle you provided.  I am wondering whether in vivo there is another
mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique.
I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please
pass them on."


Thanks,

Dan


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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Marshall Dudley]

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
the test used in the article someone posted was the same method as 
this, and *they* reported that all organisms were killed.  How come?  dee


On 27 Jul 2009, at 15:09, Dan Nave wrote:


I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.

He says:

"I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus
pneumoniae.



Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 
years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar 
plates. This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little 
or no effect on bacteria in the intestines.  We ran tests on broths, and 
agar plates.  There was 100% kills on the broths and 0% kill on the 
agar.  The reason is simple, colloidal silver has to be mobile to find 
and kill pathogens, on the agar plates it becomes fixed and immobile, 
and thus is unable to contact or kill anything.  This is not new news, 
but simply confirmation of what we already know.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Jim Holmes]

Ask him to try the sol in broth, not plated media.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Dan Nave  wrote:

> I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
> met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
> have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
> willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
> response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
> properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.
>
> He says:
>
> "I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
> use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
> bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
> the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
> through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
> commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
> organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
> Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
> Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus
> pneumoniae.
>
>  "I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no
> inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the
> bottle you provided.  I am wondering whether in vivo there is another
> mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique.
> I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please
> pass them on."
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
>
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Re: CS>Testing Effectivity of CS in the Labratory

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

the test used in the article someone posted was the same method as  
this, and *they* reported that all organisms were killed.  How come?   
dee


On 27 Jul 2009, at 15:09, Dan Nave wrote:


I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I
met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist.  I happened to
have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was
willing to do some tests of it's effectivity.  I have included his
response below.  If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it
properly, please let me know.  Also, any relevant reference as well.

He says:

"I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we
use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics.  I created a lawn of
bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of
the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused
through the bacteria and into the agar medium.   None of the 9 most
commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition.  The
organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL),
Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,
Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus
pneumoniae.